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Date:      Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:26:33 -0500
From:      Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>
To:        Anatoli <me@anatoli.ws>
Cc:        Wesley <wesley@freenetMail.de>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: freebsd vs. netbsd
Message-ID:  <ACE27C81-9437-41D6-BBD4-FA7A7B791428@kicp.uchicago.edu>
In-Reply-To: <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws>
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> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:26 PM, Anatoli <me@anatoli.ws> wrote:
>=20
> IMO
>=20
> * FreeBSD: servers (performance, stability, relative security, zfs),
>  competes directly with Linux
>=20
> * OpenBSD: routers/firewalls, desktops (the most secure OS

The most secure=E2=80=A6 if you dismiss the fact that one of the =
developer (who wrote network stack if my memory serves me) was =
simultaneously receiving payments from one of three letter agencies for =
several years.

Valeri

> and a really
>  good desktop, but its absence of server-class performance is its
>  weakest side + no zfs (just ffs2) and limited virtualization (no SMP)
>  so not suitable for any serious server load where absolute security =
is
>  not a must). The king in its niche (paranoid security)
>=20
> * NetBSD: toasters & freezers (runs on anything, otherwise not sure
>  what's the point :), competes with FreeBSD and Linux (and Linux now
>  supports more archs/platforms than Net). IMO no clear vision and thus
>  attracts too little resources both human and economic. IMO midterm =
not
>  much hope for survival, same as DFly and smaller BSDs.
>=20
> I believe that OS development is an economy of scale (doing things =
more
> efficiently or having other advantaged with increasing size) with a
> tendency for a monopoly in the same niche.
>=20
> There are some features that the larger players establish as a
> commodity, but that are very time-intensive and complex to develop =
(e.g.
> virtualization, wifi ac and now ax). So what Linux implemented more =
than
> a decade ago, the BSDs are just catching up now.
>=20
> Linux world had 2 "obstacles" to its almost flawless growth recently
> (systemd and a ZFS alternative). Now that the things have almost =
settled
> up, if they don't commit any more serious errors I don't see how the
> BSDs (except OpenBSD as it's not a direct competitor) could compete =
with
> it in the long term.
>=20
> Now with ZoL/OpenZFS the long-term future even for FreeBSD is not that
> clear (and the recent iX decisions [1] [2] are a clear sign).
>=20
> [1] =
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/truenas-isnt-abandoning-bsd-but-it=
-is-adopting-linux/
> [2] https://www.truenas.com/TrueOS-Discontinuation/
>=20
>=20
> On 7/6/20 22:35, Wesley wrote:
>> greetings,
>>=20
>> There were freebsd and netbsd (maybe others?) in BSD world.
>> What points did they focus by design?
>> what are their use scenes then?
>>=20
>> Thank you.
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