From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 23 22:39:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4C037B41A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64044BD1E; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02822; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:39:35 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fBO6djG28795; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: dwalton@acm.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does Linux violate the GPL? References: <20011223153232.4b562a74.dwalton@acm.org> <15398.28461.605242.845831@guru.mired.org> <20011223161559.0f20faa8.dwalton@acm.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 23 Dec 2001 22:39:45 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011223161559.0f20faa8.dwalton@acm.org> Message-ID: <09n109t93i.109@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Walton writes: > Rats. I knew there was going to be a mistake in my wording somewhere. > When I wrote "use", I was thinking of something along the lines of > "incorporate and distribute". And when Mike wrote "use" (in "Neither BSDL nor GPL place any restrictions on *use* of the covered work."), he was apparently thinking of something along the lines of "execute" (or maybe also "incorporate and execute"). Let's all keep in mind that source code has many uses and using just "use" is likely to be ambiguous or just wrong. Mike's statement (without the BSDL part) is common misleading GNU-speak used in their propaganda. The fact is that both BSDL and GPL place restrictions on the use of the covered work. If not, we would say the work is in the public domain. P.S. You said in a previous post that the BSD license doesn't allow something. I hope you've also noticed the BSD licensors allow almost anything. I've never heard of even a polite request to stop infringment, let alone cease-and-desist letters and lawsuit threats. It seems to be understood by licensors and licensees alike as just a way to put code into the public domain with a declaimer of liability and request for attribution. Along the same lines, note that what the GPL seems to say is often significantly different from what GPL licensors say it says and often from what they insist upon (also often different things). The guys that ignore all the fine print might have the right idea, since there's little that one can do about it anyway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message