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Date:      Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:37:06 +0300
From:      Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@iki.fi>
Cc:        perl5-porters@perl.org, Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>, Josef Karthauser <joe@tao.org.uk>, Chris Nandor <pudge@pobox.com>, Christopher Masto <chris@masto.com>, Raphael Manfredi <Raphael_Manfredi@pobox.com>, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tobez@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Save a few hunderd kilobytes or a few hundred perl users?
Message-ID:  <3CCED642.262C4938@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <200204301406.g3UE6uoI028768@grimreaper.grondar.org> <CBF1C368-5C4F-11D6-A0A2-00039301D480@dan.co.jp> <20020430193304.A30405@alpha.hut.fi>

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Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
> 
> (I promise that this is my last message about this matter to this large a
> recipient list.  Who is the maintainer of the Perl package in FreeBSD?
> Anton Berezin, I think? tobez@freebsd.org CCed.)
> 
> Though I disagree with the tone of Dan Kogai, I must agree on the
> technical grounds that leaving away standard modules and still calling
> it "Perl" is not quite right.
> 
> I think both from the viewpoints of the Perl distribution *and* an OS
> distribution *IF* modules have to be left out for space-saving reasons
> the fair thing to do would be to make it clear to the users of the OS
> distribution that what they are getting is not the full Perl.  This
> will cut down the number of misunderstandings on both sides.
> 
> Firstly, both the outputs of perl -v and perl -V should be amended.
> For example:
> 
>   $ perl -v
> 
>   This is perl, v5.6.1 built for i686-freebsd
> 
>   THIS INSTALLATION HAS BEEN MODIFIED FOR FREEBSD.  NOT ALL STANDARD
>   MODULES ARE INCLUDED.  The missing modules are: ...
>   To get the full standard installation, install ...
> 
>   Copyright 1987-2002, Larry Wall
> 
>   Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the
>   GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.
> 
>   Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on
>   this system using `man perl' or `perldoc perl'.  If you have access to the
>   Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.com/, the Perl Home Page.
> 
> Secondly, as the above message indicates, there should be a full Perl
> installation available, using whatever packaging method is used by the
> OS distribution.

Folks, please put the fscking modules back - the gain from their
removal isn't worth all fuzz and FUD that such removal generated.

Just UAH0.02 from bystander.

-Maxim

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