From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 6 1:29:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81F237B401; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f668PfG53418; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:25:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:25:41 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt , Eric Wayte , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Message-ID: <20010706092541.C23117@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000701c10452$ca818600$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <3B4560DD.428634F8@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B4560DD.428634F8@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:55:25AM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:55:25AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > If WindRiver gets on the ball and keeps fulfilling CD orders, why then = this > > name might continue to be worth something. Otherwise, it will go away = and > > the FreeBSD CD distributions will simply take place through other > > distributors.=20 >=20 > Or not, if every other distributor that actually cares to distribute=20 > FreeBSD has dried up and blown away because WRS has been handing out=20 > exclusive access to the "official" FreeBSD ISO images. This came up in discussions at Usenix between myself and several members of -core. I agree that the project needs a clearer distinction between releases made "by the project", and releases made by commercial third parties, such as Wind River, or the DVDs put out by FreeBSD Services Ltd (or the various distributions put together by other European and Japanese companies). I think that the conclusion is that "the project" should be putting out five ISOs and making them freely available. Four of them would correspond with the four discs that have traditionally made up the commercial CD sets. The fifth one would be a mini-ISO that contains everything needed to do a complete install, but now ports or packages (basically, the existing disc 1 with no third party apps, except, possibly, XFree86). This ISO would only be about 200-250MB in size, and is more useful to the people who only download the ISO to do an install, and use the net for packages/ports. Third parties can then base their commercial distributions around these ISOs. They might simply repackage them (on CD, or DVD). Or they might provide value-add services, such as additional documentation, more packages and so on. The thorny question of "What do they have to include and still call it FreeBSD?" is resolved by saying that any FreeBSD distribution must include, as a minimum, the contents of the "mini" ISO (including sysinstall). Anyone that wants to include an alternative installation routine (open or closed source) can do, as long as sysinstall is still there. Then the FreeBSD docs can continue to refer to sysinstall, and the project doesn't get flack if someone puts together a distribution with a crap installer, because sysinstall will always be there as a fallback. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtFdgQACgkQk6gHZCw343X7LgCeNHDC8Mq/dNDZGX+8o3ziUe5n f0gAn2efCSzoSUVJ7xQ5CAGRTGFh2yqS =HrFc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message