From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 12 23:44:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6DF439 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cikita100000@yahoo.com) Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31A6A26C3 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 23:44:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 23:44:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 23:44:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 627356.87434.bm@omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 69219 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2013 23:44:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1381621449; bh=pxiNNMGw0LqhcdAPI3koWCZWfpISFVyRJs9KkoP8Iq4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wd0Oz8jtKrdrty0VIMrcFjWk0hLvpUcNwG8AtLoVwqORUQ/xN9SWWYf0GapQkF3wA6Zci9KFemN+6cmd6sI9+/ET2hMcsOpanEta9sNafLjZN2k4tabCNx+eQsKrxgdjtFyq41u/4PKXJTKt/bTsjKPMmVYMbfilkp1i8hTafKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1fpW38M9UMjr+u6IJ8xB6h/5Brckeke8N7cMWGwOdRfF43Q2o2bigV09vd1GH0OzcFr0IwDGwFCFBqz+Cbvnr5V5sJFCiOK7+LDkP3DWSACkKCXD71XvJ0j6MuAfmD3/DxikgrcMjAdcozdIVZvhNDDur2aJ6qTokwCW1sTbUvs=; X-YMail-OSG: SWxYWVAVM1nG8E8vhGYABrxRylvYUNEu6G3vo2c3HdNSGlM XgTJy2vBSJhyVpPX7zGcojpSjRJkfOYxqWsMI6ftsS5E3Jfp7ZdDiksVlJU5 _uukNv7460fQE8HtPuSaNUf9BKBmmuaMEdY_yAgZ_AZZx5LWxAImVjY2c.uy u9OUNo9EVzErc1w2GtOZGac25IFxzhcVAysY8Geb1v83J_PIMJhfiQXi17go ThJxgJ_UFLASU9dIZ3MBHusdFUeAn0nA7d.D94XErdx_v6EYro_iyUdUSkVg 2FLTmz4s2lKNVlrjVEx2vKUPykpMUJziQqFpk62DU5.SGESsVgbWi7YIAjPt F.SzSfVS_2nnKzPQFDKcrfp_3vfgyrCypBNuTblURdOBGSGrLghexIT43.fb F_SS3UVRm.2Q5qpc5yBCRvWSUAyXEg5SS0SRmEA9hSNmZ.tnfP8Uj98C4V_o NmG_L7YVQqdnwtK4NHDybULvJ6qXrooMZbNWdnaMwzzR81Qmb7wvQtw3dLs1 ljxLYRhn5fjNBko2qrw96KBj7O6nr3w-- Received: from [89.215.139.198] by web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, d2hhdCBraW5kIG9mIGZyZWVCU0QgdG8gZG93bmxvYWQgZm9yIG15IHBjP2FtZCBhdGhsb24odG0pIDY0IHgyIGR1YWwgY29yZSBwcm9jZXNzb3IgNDAwMCsgMi4xMSBHSHogOTYwIE1CIFJBTQoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.160.587 Message-ID: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: cikitaluzza Subject: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 00:46:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cikitaluzza List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:44:17 -0000 what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 01:15:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46B9F79 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9825C29BE for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDA6A3C670; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D1Exwl001918; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:14:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:14:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cikitaluzza Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? Message-Id: <20131013031459.a3daf16b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:15:08 -0000 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: > what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 > dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM Try 9.2 for AMD64. The i386 version should also work (as you are "low on RAM" if that might matter, depending on what non-OS software you're going to run on that machine). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 01:26:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B9A1EA for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9AE32A2A for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4643C711; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D1QjZN001941; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cikitaluzza Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? Message-Id: <20131013032645.56a097a8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:26:54 -0000 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: > can i run exe files on freeBSD? Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For DOS EXE and "Windows" EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. Those "compatibility packs" can be easily installed. They are not part of the OS. > it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever > spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i > think with things like errors or dll and many things from > blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no > problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and > no matter what . Definitely no bluescreens in FreeBSD. The system will behave exactly as intended and won't "change its mind" a few days after installation. :-) > how much total ram and bit is my pc of=A0amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 > dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? That's a 64 bit CPU, if I remember correctly. The AMD64 version should run fine. But as you are a little bit "low on RAM", you might consider using the i386 version (32 bit version) if you don't _need_ to run any 64 bit application. Especially as you've mentioned to run EXE files, this might be the better solution. >From what I've heared, wine (the "Windows" compatibility pack) runs better on i386 than on amd64. (I'm running it myself on the i386 OS on a 64 bit system without any problems.) > im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest > me to use os type? Is this via web? In this case, only the web browser matters. The typical candidates Firefox and Chrome should be fine. The OS does not matter here. If you need a proprietary program to watch the live cameras, often available only for an outdated "Windows" version, running it with (the mentioned) wine should work. (I've successfully tried something like that with a program to watch CCTV cameras via Internet.) > i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you > think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont > need it. Definitely no problem. But keep in mind: _You_ are responsible for creating backups! FreeBSD offers excellent tools to do so, no matter if you want to backup to disks, DVDs, the Cloud, or even to old-fashioned tape. Saving pictures from videos is no problem. There is mplayer and mencoder. It plays, records and converts _everything_. > i want stable os and never to reinstall or update That approach is unreasonable, I think. You _should_ update when security updates become available. It's in _your_ interest to do so, because effciency, security and usability improves from version to version. Luckily, FreeBSD has an easy way of updating the OS. It's _independent_ (!) from your installed applications and of course from your data. You can also decide to update your programs independently. However, a "install once, then keep using" scenario is easily possible with FreeBSD. (My home system has been installed in summer 2011 and worked _flawlessly_ since that point, never touch a running system.) I suggest you make yourself familiar with FreeBSD by using the resources from http://www.freebsd.org/ and you _might_ also want to check out PC-BSD (might be perfect for what you want) and VirtualBSD (easy way to try it out without installing it). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 02:46:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782AF78 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail233c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C392C88 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.22.4] (e182022004.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.22.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9D2kWrK002824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1381632392.765.128.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:46:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=dYI3Kwre c=1 sm=1 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:17 a=dm8Q9-keo9YA:10 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=qCLkpBKiJ2kA:10 a=msshTb_qucq-dPMef_sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.525A098B.00BB, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:40 -0000 On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 16:50 -0700, cikitaluzza wrote: > can i run exe files on freeBSD? The raw answer is, no, you can't. > it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS > windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things > like errors or dll and many things from blue screen. This doesn't sound like a Windows only error. > do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like > blue screen error or driver things and no matter what . Regarding to driver issues you better stay with Microsoft or switch to Apple. Hardware and free/libre and open source software requires the user to learn and take care if hardware is supported. > how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core > processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Around 1 GiB could be ok, but also be not enough RAM, but it seems not to be an issue. > im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to > use os type?i like to save pictures and videos Free/libre and open source software does less good support proprietary codecs and software. At the moment there is a thread about Adobe Flash on this list. The best choice could be Windows, perhaps installed as guest to a virtual machine, so that you always can restore it by using snapshots. > and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my > all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall > or update For multimedia Linux might be better than FreeBSD. Neither Linux, nor FreeBSD tend to lose data, you even shouldn't lose data when using one of Microsoft's less good Windows versions. It's more likely that users have less good backup and archiving strategies. If you want to consume multimedia by the Internet, you likely need to install security updates and software to use stuff based on proprietary software. You could set up a text editor and never need to update or to reinstall something, but the Internet and consuming multimedia likely need updates from time to time. Start an adventure ;), nobody will give you a guarantee, "self-responsibility" is a catchword for free/libre and open source software. FreeBSD and Linux are similar operating systems, on both kernels more or less the same multimedia applications do run, but the more recent versions are provided by Linux and multimedia is better supported for Linux. I'm an Arch Linux user, it's similar to FreeBSD regarding to a port like system, however, for your needs IMO Debian Linux stable release might be the less risky choice. OTOH, why not simply testing FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 02:48:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2ED7B for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772382C97 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49AA63C697; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D2mGH4002242; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:48:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:48:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: gct7photography@gmail.com Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? Message-Id: <20131013044816.19a60e49.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131012232840.1f1f8455@gnewsense.gmail.com> References: <52587390.3070400@wingfoot.org> <20131012053156.10e1d6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131012232840.1f1f8455@gnewsense.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:48:25 -0000 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:28:40 +0100, gct7photography@gmail.com wrote: > I don't know what others think, but what *I* really want is that the > free software versions of Flash (gnash and klash, etc) work at least as > well as versions of Adobe Flash do, or if versions of Adobe Flash are > to be used, that it will be free and covered by the GPL. First of all, keep in mind you're "walking corporate territory" here. No company will give you anything for free, and even if it looks free, there's a catch somewhere. "Flash" as a technology is dying. It didn't make the transition to the growing mobile markets. That's why Adobe does not continue its Linux line of product - a completely reasoname business decision. People who use, or to be correct, _abuse_ "Flash" as a replace- ment for markup and content are not interested in bringing their "product" to your attention and reception. What I'd like to see would be a "Flash" plugin integrated in the web browser, with the option of being switched off. I'd consider it a "1st class citizen" by demanding that is has the same status as embedded media, centered text, a PNG image or a hyperlink, being a "functional module" of the web browser like the renderer, the CSS interpreter, the JS interpreter or something like that. Could you imagine to install a pro- prietary plugin to be able to see a JPG image? To see text centered? To click on a hyperlink? And all the time keep in mind that it is backdoored? Hmmm... > Its unlikely to happen unless we start a campaign among the Free > Software users of the world to make Flash free software. That won't happen. "Flash" is the property of a corporation. The only alternative I see is that this corporation would "donate" the product, releasing all the sources and abandoning all involved "lawyer-crap". But that won't happen. I think most companies better close away the stuff they won't develop anymore instead of handing it over to a community. > Yes, I know HTML 5 is just around the corner, but we've seen a > concerted effort already (in the European Parliament at least) to > introduce DRM into HTML 5 and though it may make using Flash marginally > easier, it would be a retrograde step if DRM is to be introduced. As far as I know, DRM will be covered by the upcoming standard. This means it will be _possible_ to implement DRM solutions in HTML. _Using_ them - that's a totally different field. Keep in mind an important thing: Alternatives for "Flash" have been around for a decade at least. Video, audio, interaction - all possible without it. It's not just about the browser plugin (the "player"), it's also about the creative tools that people use to "produce" the stuff. Those tools are offered usually in expensive commercially distributed suites. As soon as developers and creators get aware of alternatives that they can learn and use for free, they _might_ change, but only if the mindset changes. It's not just about those tools, it's also about file formats. What I'm talking about is media codecs. Some of them offer DRM capabilites, others don't. Some of them are highly infected with patents and other "lawyer-crap". There are reasons why some systems and environments can play various formats out of the box, and others can't. Which formats are efficient for use with the Internet? Which offer "scaling" and streaming capabilities, important for mobile users who demand "lower quality, less data transfer, and tolerance to higher latency"? Which codecs can make use of a decoder made in hardware? _This_ problem also has to be solved! Now put this back into relation with my initial idea of making that kind of "content decoder" part of the web browser. The same way you see a JPG image on a web page and click on a hyperlink... It should be easy, but sadly it isn't. HTML5 tries to solve those problems. Its markup will be better suited for handling media content, plus CSS and JS will be important players on the interaction field. There are already projects that utilize those tools, and _developer tools_ as well as _creator tools_ will be present. Maybe they will even be present for free. YouTube can do fine without "Flash" already. Online games in HTML5 are appearing. On the other hand, "Flash" is a no-go on mobile, and mobile is becoming more and more important to consumers. Additionally, more and more people become aware of the danger of proprietary software (in regards of privacy and "corporate control", as well as an improving understanding of what DRM does to their freedom). It will take some time to show significant effect. Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-) > So what are we left with? Free software to replicate what Flash > does (at least) that does not have the taint of proprietary software? > Is that not an achievable goal? It is a _desired_ goal. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 03:08:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F6A444 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail233c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243272DE7 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.22.4] (e182022004.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.22.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9D38Sdt025966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1381633708.765.133.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131013044816.19a60e49.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <52587390.3070400@wingfoot.org> <20131012053156.10e1d6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131012232840.1f1f8455@gnewsense.gmail.com> <20131013044816.19a60e49.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=dYI3Kwre c=1 sm=1 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:17 a=aXXPJzcSRaYA:10 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=SW4w52ZtfRAA:10 a=ETM_RTXAwRd55v9LghQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=lKImfj7OcfoA:10 a=lNr_dQJBrQsA:10 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.525A0EAF.0006, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:34 -0000 On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 04:48 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-) It's new, not even 100 years old. Within our lifetimes people likely become more stupid, but yes, it will take some generations and people will get smarter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 03:17:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C16D58F for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27BA2E6C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id o14so4694777lbi.32 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:17:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YQhV5PyY4C2hDO+LsPp8dlRap5q3ofY7irlN8kuV2+Y=; b=KOeTbDa/9dEutwqGFaQPwc2bhXM7Rfhy3EtyrGod7JFsCZooKYjbb1Qb1+4dgUPOkc zXlFu4QGfQR9o+20VH4YaVWq1TxwQrQGVmdox6mdbPPhP7tbagjdig9u+z0BE6PjA8OJ oxJPt7nK4eUTNgi9suV70HyQOe2JyxyvqwNOKd2gXmA+00e6fV55h39aJPTlx6+PxSjp P0ksdSuPmFsYBdjoI/rx8bhbQpzYRHT7P7g66mki4GZzPDi+rFRWpepGzUgAZP5VdRia AbkKWK9n8aAbjMsACbNk2o9RhTOA2Qh7Fup+9xQXZS22KciInHF/FYxdjqKUlsGHaHtg g1Gg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.45.106 with SMTP id l10mr24248385lam.12.1381634240895; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130930015912.G67367@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20130930015912.G67367@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation From: yudi v To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:17:23 -0000 On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5 > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk > > > encryption. > > > > As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all > > architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist, and on > > i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some MSRs are > > not restored [1]. > > > > [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume > > Roland, sorry, no; you (and that page) are talking about Suspend to RAM, > ACPI state S3. What you've said is correct re Suspend to RAM - though > some running amd64 have achieved some success on some machines lately; > most of the issues are with restoring modern video, backlight and such. > > Those i386 comments don't apply to my Thinkpad T23s, which suspend and > resume, in console mode and X, flawlessly on 9.1-R and properly after > various tweaks on 8.x, 7.x and 6.x - but they're a single core P3-M .. > > I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka > 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting > S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild. > > > And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. > > > > [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk > > That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it > has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project > years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. > > The last laptop I have that will properly hibernate - ie save RAM and > all state to disk and power off, then reload all RAM and state on power > return - is a 300MHz Compaq Armada 1500C (mfg '98), but using the older > APM BIOS rather than ACPI. (It's still running, 24/7/365 since 2002 :) > > cheers, Ian Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power outage. I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS 3112, anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT). -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 03:49:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE49A61 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6FD62F8E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 183AF25340; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D3nQUa002655; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:49:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:49:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cikitaluzza Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? Message-Id: <20131013054926.58307ba7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131013032645.56a097a8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20131013032645.56a097a8.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:49:41 -0000 Typo warning! On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: > > can i run exe files on freeBSD? > > Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For ^^^ > DOS EXE and "Windows" EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. > Those "compatibility packs" can be easily installed. They > are not part of the OS. Of course I meant _VMS_ executables. ^ Also I don't know if there would be a way to run OS/2 EXE files. This is probably only possible with a VM running the appropriate OS/2 version. This approach might also apply for running Novell NetWare EXE files. There are several VM systems available for FreeBSD, for example VMWare and VirtualBox. I hope I have covered all typical possibilities of what "exe file" could mean. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 05:04:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C72ED for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFAB42221 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9D53kNV087173; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:03:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <525A29B2.80800@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:03:46 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cikitaluzza , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:04:02 -0000 On 2013-10-13 01:50, cikitaluzza wrote: > can i run exe files on freeBSD? Yes, but the files are not called exe files. it spoils fast or not? Google translate? do you have any problems within freeBSD Yes. how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Download amd64 i want stable os and never to reinstall or update You should consider pen and paper then. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 07:38:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9AC647 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F182702 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:13168] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EB/32-15529-5FD4A525; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:30 -0000 On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 32-bit version with (i386-)Wine? I plan to try that. 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[91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ey4sm22663272wic.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:30:25 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD quest Subject: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:30:37 -0000 Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR? Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 10:16:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1263933 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x236.google.com (mail-qa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A10052C2D for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j15so1764663qaq.13 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=B6Xb7GYAJ81iO4/WwbCEJTOnlWRkW1xmhnHaSL9MZBs=; b=RHxeqp6WzViNUCqFmYMSXA7q+SrzYYNimlkBX8W2NIZEJ61yRunwJtDDwptTf0APOJ xT/P2Zk4f81YzyrMk7P6cc1qvqrNUCgw/swgXolRUbOmsHwQKUbc2UP4NBybVvC8Cafn oPtBsR320BlfGqqc1nqFkGFn653VevDgL9hx8j6zaEu+Y8NCm9P/6fKIUn35+UtnHzPJ TwfHyyZZew10BCFlfjEgNOwd6Zd6UmXiL21phZgLwr/rXM6fBSVhPQaPwRZAW4QKPV3u kUtp6B0t+NtKPyJwkBpbq0aLlNhPA862Sm0DSDf6cXikxeCjRh2m6GsYc+qHgvDUd26v 35WQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.161.83 with SMTP id q19mr1405310qax.92.1381659371399; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:16:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Trib8qE475VyQVuuQTN8rItGqYo Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:16:13 -0000 On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier" wrote: > Hello there, > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my > FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some > files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but > I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, > so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > Any ideas? Should I open a PR I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 10:23:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17337ACC for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com (mail-we0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A58F62C74 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id t60so5723462wes.26 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/m6DSlDWbsgqyOjQql2fnrCyt6U3fBF9lhPwwrIgS4Y=; b=mhwomUVYrhWddY7T01R2/kUeRhZxvpFErzaguKpF3tHBPRB1KP8UR0HrBk45ucRao9 hByZfdESIbeB5rut5tUMHurIiWLRiwljjE1nhOU4OvpqfTPENNt0S1XM/2k/8TpDKd/u LFK0StKcvz/0HbXmpr6jUHAwm13oYit0j7lqr5F0tqSKyu8OsFlZtbh+mtCLtuIDK9Gg 9UMSJSmgjsVMvk/MlfE3AQuOG73ArGcd3gNRp1zXi7Dq2TdJDBklSUctSZ/FGlPVslLX t+41sfnkvTlH8XNKUXLILgDCYI2lGkh5XytUWOWFMr85Zo2nHoOwdh9yJ/uMABRzZRz9 F91g== X-Received: by 10.180.20.77 with SMTP id l13mr10288676wie.40.1381659802119; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (171.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs15sm12223064wib.10.2013.10.13.03.23.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525A748F.3050109@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:23:11 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CeDeROM Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:23:24 -0000 On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote: > On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier" > wrote: >> Hello there, >> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my >> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some >> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. >> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but >> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... >> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, >> so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. >> Any ideas? Should I open a PR > > I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was > fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported > this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious > issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending a PR. Cheers, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 11:22:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3116C3C0 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83F62E96 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP423 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:21:20 -0700 X-TMN: [sQjqUBoZnw7L0Kx97KLo4N1tOApUXC6g] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.104.150]) by BLU0-SMTP423.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:21:19 -0700 Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3cyL7c4Y49z2CG4b for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:21:16 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Subject: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2013 11:21:19.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[57090150:01CEC806] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:22:25 -0000 I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have=2C or at least I couldn't find any=2C software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software=2C the unit is basically useless. I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to I need to insure that this is a "SmartUPS" The unit I am looking at does not qualify. I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. --=20 Carmel =E2=9C=8C carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 11:29:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4BC490 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676A52EC4 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r9DBGUGh099632; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:16:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:16:30 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: yudi v Subject: Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20131013214155.O37608@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20130930015912.G67367@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:29:01 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000, yudi v wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5 > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for > full disk > > > > encryption. [..] > > I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka > > 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting > > S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild. > > > > > And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. > > > > > > [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk > > > > That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it > > has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project > > years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. [..] > Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I > just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am > looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power > outage. Hi Yudi, you haven't said what sort of machine (desktop/server/laptop) or how long a mains power fail runtime you're after, so it's impossible to guess what sort of size UPS you might need .. > I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS > 3112, I don't know about that model; it makes no mention of shutdown alert / control at all, only 'some models' have a USB connector, and I couldn't find the manual for it there. Certainly not all 'desktop' UPSes support what's needed to communicate and shutdown cleanly, so check carefully both the specs and that software (apcupsd or nut) supports the model. I gather from your timestamp (and that model) that you may be in Australia, in which case you could browse from here for the APCs: http://www.apc.com/products/category.cfm?id=13&ISOCountryCode=au [However that page currently throws errors on the various model links of 'Element CACHE.APCTOSECOUNTRYMAPPINGS is undefined in APPLICATION.' :( ] > anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be > looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT). I'm sure there are people here who can advise. I've only setup Eaton and PowerWare UPSes, and those on a Debian linux server, using NUT. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 15:02:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843F85FF for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36C532705 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9DF2CC5078242 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9DF2CfX078239 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:13 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:02:14 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Carmel wrote: > I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G > Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has > ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I > couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, > the unit is basically useless. > > I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS > > dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to > I need to insure that this is > a "SmartUPS" The unit I am looking at does not qualify. > > I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I > intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. sysutils/apcupsd works with a lot of APC units. Offhand, I know it works with a several-year-old Back-UPS XS unit (not mine), and with all my older Smart-UPS units. Mac people say that apcupsd works with the BE750G: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20100314155518972 The Smart-UPS models are preferred for better quality. In some of the newer units, APC has gone to a proprietary communications protocol. The problem units are shown on the apcupsd.com site. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 16:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627F4EE2 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yavuz.maslak@ihlas.net.tr) Received: from pop3.ihlas.net.tr (pop3.ihlas.net.tr [213.238.128.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E319A29EB for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16543 invoked by uid 89); 13 Oct 2013 19:04:18 +0300 X-Mail-Scanner: Scanned by qSheff-II-2.1-r3 (http://www.enderunix.org/qsheff/) Received: from unknown (HELO com2007) (yavuz.maslak@ihlas.net.tr@212.156.150.130) by pop3.ihlas.net.tr with SMTP; 13 Oct 2013 19:04:18 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Yavuz_Ma=FElak?= To: Subject: about setfib arpresolve Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:04:20 +0300 Message-ID: <00c101cec82d$e0d37100$a27a5300$@ihlas.net.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac7ILd8VwhOmLycyQc62SepXil7jOw== Content-Language: tr X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:11:04 -0000 Hello On freebsd 8 i get kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for x.x.x.x How can i get rid off this issue? I saw http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/167947 but how can i patch it ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 17:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4816DD for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zaphod@berentweb.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE9A2C9E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VVP9a-0007N2-H4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:08:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:08:32 -0000 I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related. ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log shows: Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client. Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP) $ ssh root@192.168.1.10 Password for root@server.freebsd: Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013 Welcome to myNetwork (the motd message) csh: No such file or directory Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed. /var/log/auth.log for ssh shows: Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from 192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2 Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by user Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues. ----- FreeBSD-9.2-stable_amd64_root-on-zfs_clang-only-world -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Authorisation-Errors-on-9-2-tp5851543.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 17:24:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB71286C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kentas@hush.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10.hushmail.com [65.39.178.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B310B2D48 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 911DBC014C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w6.hushmail.com [65.39.178.92]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 71AA26018E; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Reinstall without reformat From: "Kenta Suzumoto" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:37 -0000 Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? I have one directory of data that I want to keep. I can boot from the installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how could I install the OS from there? I've done ZFS on root installs with the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 19:31:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD943506 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5546E2380 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9DJV1Qu031836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:31:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:31:01 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 References: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:31:10 -0000 On 13/10/2013 18:08, Beeblebrox wrote: > I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related. > > ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log > shows: > Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory > to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk > > ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after > login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client. > Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP) > $ ssh root@192.168.1.10 > Password for root@server.freebsd: > Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013 > Welcome to myNetwork (the motd message) > csh: No such file or directory > Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed. > > /var/log/auth.log for ssh shows: > Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. > Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from > 192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2 > Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by > user > > Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues. > The gnome keyring demon does that. I believe it's only warning and I've never dug in to the source to find out more but I think it's something it can only do on Linux. I'm sure someone will be along in a minute with something to say about that. As to the second problem - csh: No such file or directory. At the risk of pointing out the trivial, is root's home directory valid? Why not post /etc/passwd and we'll check :-) Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? I assume you've configured sshd to allow direct root logins. If you hadn't I think you get a different rejection message (but who knows with 9.2?) Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 19:39:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB025D3 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63FF23A9 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:40534] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 61/07-16944-CA6FA525; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:38:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:38:20 +0000 Message-ID: <61.07.16944.CA6FA525@cdptpa-oedge02> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <525A748F.3050109@gmail.com> Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Cc: David Demelier , CeDeROM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:27 -0000 > On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote: > > On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier" > > wrote: > >> Hello there, > >> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my > >> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some > >> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. > >> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but > >> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > >> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, > >> so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > >> Any ideas? Should I open a PR > > I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was > > fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported > > this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious > > issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect > things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending > a PR. Running fsck in single-user mode may not be sufficient. You may need to run fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation or live CD. I remember reviving a FreeBSD partition that way, normal root partition not mounted. I once revived a FreeBSD partition with fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation of NetBSD 5.1_STABLE i386 after FreeBSD couldn't do it. It helps to have a UPS to protect against short power failures and allow graceful shutdown on longer power outages. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 20:25:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5342BFE for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monahbaki@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x235.google.com (mail-bk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DF232595 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id d7so2294460bkh.26 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=635XdMd15FgyLvjRjoKE/ZpRH8jicyN6Hfx284VqrR8=; b=x22YEe16BG1hvBEjJc4O7jQrXGxLfIY/DqG/WPMEKBVE/aBdJstQBekMPTnSfDeWBC a2PxynTCDgLewhEG6W144cR/X8s0DYAcLtjEMUmUOG5uJkzuRLtFMjykL7EBLIQERviF nRDebp6XwjrGkiLxAGqaXfgg+KCp+xO6sADEudvM8mi5LxbmF0+AHiF7nsEgcq2MAGwV oZamRHcGwu5PHFPNvknhrtZqwRuu25vUbyeDEJFs7zMNkfCZvYxAKk1JBfwm++omHwnu Kg2P1fEGQUfkKYLI5I7eImX5sBxedOSfq/LffWMz2U/UjwFzTc0LFQHTtJ1NqoVM7nDL Kumg== X-Received: by 10.204.234.8 with SMTP id ka8mr26175179bkb.5.1381695952048; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.111.134 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monah Baki Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Tunnelling between Cisco and Freebsd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:25:54 -0000 Hi all, I am running FreeBSD 9.2. The FreeBSD server in on a private IP, 192.168.1.6. I have only one public IP and that's on my verizon firewall configured to port forward to my FreeBSD server. I do not control the Cisco device, but here is the config that was sent to me: interface Tunnel10 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.252 tunnel source GigabitEthernet0/0/2.1 (187.255.253.1) tunnel destination 107.48.4.129 Here is what I did on my FreeBSD: ifconfig gre0 create ifconfig gre0 10.1.1.2 10.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 ifconfig gre0 tunnel 192.168.1.6 187.255.253.1 Now I can ping 10.1.1.1 (his end) But when I try to add a static route for his subnets via his tunnel IP, it fails root@devsrvr:/root # route add -net 187.255.252.0/2210.1.1.1 route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable add net 187.255.252.0 : gateway 10.1.1.1: Network is unreachable Am I missing anything? It's my first time configuring a Tunnel. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 20:40:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B9CEC9 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E6CF263B for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C941227327 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:31:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <525B0330.8090201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:31:44 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130516 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE References: <52590D96.2010909@gmail.com> <1381568574.744.91.camel@archlinux> <52591BD1.6030305@gmail.com> <1381574220.744.113.camel@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <1381574220.744.113.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:40:57 -0000 On 10/12/13 20:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote: >> I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see. > +1 It's not a browser I like. > > Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't > maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available > for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and > Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium > instead. > > Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash, > https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome . > > Sorry for the noise. > > At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual > machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome > available for FreeBSD too? > > Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux > version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really > caused by Flash Player and not by something else. > To add more confusion to this fray, although it may not help with gray screen issue, the only reason chromium works (yes, just install the nspluginwrapper as per the handbook) is that it is better suited to the new pepper style Adobe is going with now. FWIW, I did put in a port to fix drm issues on any site which was stopping videos playing (again, not your specific issue, but what appears to be in discussion here) and which allows flash to work using any browser - uses linux dbus libraries (weird). Not sure of the status though. Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 20:45:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27930FD6 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5863266E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 85273 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2013 21:31:24 -0000 Received: from pool-71-167-229-74.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@71.167.229.74) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2013 21:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7875 invoked by uid 103); 13 Oct 2013 20:02:36 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 2013 20:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:45:53 -0000 Hi, I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this easily. If the ports aren't in use, I have just deleted them, but for other things, such as libgsf-1.14.21_1, which is required by a dozen or more of my installed packages, it is not so easy. So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' upgrade of each port? Thanks! Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 02:07:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D229E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B389B22F6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29A193C73F; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9E27g8X001936; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:07:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:07:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Kenta Suzumoto" Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat Message-Id: <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:07:58 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: > Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. > I have one directory of data that I want to keep. You should still make a backup, because "I want to keep" does imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-) > I can boot from the > installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how > could I install the OS from there? You simply re-enter the installer, assign the (existing, but now empty) partitions to the desired mountpoint, make sure _not_ to newfs them, and then commit to the installation as usual. An alternative would be, after "preparing" the partitions, mount them as desired and extract the installation datasets from the installation media manually (via shell commands). Still you might miss other steps the installer performs. > I've done ZFS on root installs with > the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too? Probably yes (never tried that myself). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:01:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4488F84 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57F9C29E7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9E512MK082982; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9E512Np082979; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat In-Reply-To: <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:01:09 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be > kept, except of course you previously remove everything. sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. >> I have one directory of data that I want to keep. > > You should still make a backup, because "I want to keep" does > imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-) Absolutely. With no backup, only one tiny thing can go wrong and the data is gone. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:03:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4758FB5 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFCD22A05 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9E53FRY083005; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9E53DYk083002; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Scott Ballantyne Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports In-Reply-To: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Message-ID: References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:03:17 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Hi, > > I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and > reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the > past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step > involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this > easily. What errors, exactly? > So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this > and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' > upgrade of each port? It should "just work". Have you converted to pkgng? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:21:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C269231 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27E12AC8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3377E3C683; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9E5LInE004473; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:21:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:21:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat Message-Id: <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:21:28 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: > >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? > > > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. > > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content > > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be > > kept, except of course you previously remove everything. > > sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? I know that sysinstall had the option "newfs toggle" so you could skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions to the desired mountpoints. It can be seen at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further modifications as needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63C937D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zaphod@berentweb.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8E412B54 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VVaqi-0000yJ-EY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:37:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1381729068425-5851636.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> References: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> Subject: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:37:50 -0000 Hi, I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password. For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd was modified to allow root login. All users have valid home directories defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it? sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin* >> Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can eliminate these problems. Thanks and Regards ----- FreeBSD-9.2-stable_amd64_root-on-zfs_clang-only-world -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Authorisation-Errors-on-9-2-tp5851543p5851636.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 06:55:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E1F154 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCED62E45 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1VVc3Q-000QOm-SM>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:55:00 +0200 Received: from g229173239.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.229.173.239] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1VVc3Q-000UsH-PI>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:55:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:54:56 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/wccA+QOHfo/QiQCgmWnw6qJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 92.229.173.239 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:55:09 -0000 --Sig_/wccA+QOHfo/QiQCgmWnw6qJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost every-two-day basis or at least weekly. The underlying OS is now FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #1 r256384: Sat Oct 12 18:34:38 CEST 2013 amd64. The question is: is this a kind of miscompilation or has there something minor changed and I didn't noticed that? User error? If some has a tip or hint, I'll appreciate it. Please CC me, I do not subscribe this list. 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Hartmann" Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:46:50 -0000 El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: > > After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox > rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not > know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because > coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox > towards revision 23 slipped in. > > My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost > every-two-day basis or at least weekly. Hello, I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head too, rev. r328930. FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine with drag and drop. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 07:51:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BF7E70 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6EA92118 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id aq17so10092211iec.20 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LcCZgvoSbatGwIv+7A5G9KuptmoqWF4u5/rdkP8WU28=; b=R9hEC4XNbUMPy3nidFbx/WZs2RxuUCYo8iwNm7q2SdI2GOOPLt1f8FMNyP5s6QVO90 rwPL1rQC0Sz0zD133vuh4cM5C2N28tfNB7ElgeF1Oswc/DIQCZ35BtsiJXEOSzA4b4KT 19AImNki+l6gQTwj0nAC5xzyaAxjMjJAYBJTUIbOCAYgGSI0+dx3gPoQ5WieG3wkTUfG oD9wAWVkL6Hx2VTfAAHKAjtF0vbJCudquGGv/5KoPbahD0NDRu5645Id0EPcg5S/89P+ RkiBCHiDcXNdmbuvojfwGglcwp0nOcXLKCSeV61vQST1IZHg7kAiwZAKuwTIcF5whiB3 qqBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.153.16 with SMTP id vc16mr11895089igb.8.1381737100998; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.12.140 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:51:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 03:51:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:41 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: > > >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? > > > > > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. > > > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content > > > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be > > > kept, except of course you previously remove everything. > > > > sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. > > Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for > the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > and > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html > > and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, > even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any > problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? > > I know that sysinstall had the option "newfs toggle" so you could > skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions > to the desired mountpoints. > > It can be seen at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html > > in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. > > I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of > functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( > > That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from > the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the > easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, > then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further > modifications as needed. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > OR Disconnect power line of existing HDD to be reinstalled . Attach another HDD or drive , for example USB stick . Perform a fresh install on the new unit . After verifying that the new install is working properly , Shutdown the computer , attach power of previous HDD , mount it , copy all of the new files from freshly installed unit into previous HDD, Shutdown the computer , Disconnect newly installed unit , Restart the computer . It is very likely that your previous HDD will work as like newly installed . OR Do the reverse : >From previous HDD , copy all of the required files to the new HDD . Disconnect previous HDD or unit . Continue with the new HDD or unit . If the previous HDD is not bootable , it is necessary to continue with the new HDD . I am applying the second kind of steps for all my new installs . In that way nothing is broken , even there is no back up of the files because nothing applied to the existing HDD . The cost of this operation is to have a spare disk or a USB stick having sufficient capacity . Personally I am not using USB sticks for such operations because they may fail unexpectedly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 08:23:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AC86D6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B665522C1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1VVdRO-000zb8-W2>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:23:51 +0200 Received: from e179078129.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.179.78.129] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1VVdRO-000dP6-Sn>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:23:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:23:49 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 85.179.78.129 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:23:53 -0000 --Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:48 +0200 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann > escribi=F3: >=20 > >=20 > > After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox > > rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not > > know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because > > coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of > > firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. > >=20 > > My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost > > every-two-day basis or at least weekly. >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head > too, rev. r328930. >=20 > FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine > with drag and drop. >=20 > HIH >=20 > matthias >=20 Sorry, FF is in my case 24, too: pkg info firefox firefox-24.0,1 Have you done updating the ports regarding 20130929=20 in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the tab-stickyness is present. My ports tree is Revision: 330274, my OS is as reported above. --Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSW6oVAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8qokIANX2m5g3TxLQaRh5is19y66/ SqIUoV9UmVPcGr15YD/gci82AwjbCf4K8W8EBkA0m/3xzvO4GspbiUGy2UvqWPp9 MJWV4kitzf2zrOi3+XMRD4zJMaBUBK0oDhGr2AAB540DykLwrRVhdA9NbSXTBY9r RT6r0o3dFY/k3AIBdw7PlhBY0zhhvwerlo3h0AOE2tyrBF6OQvkiTg8azxxvjuRK 6kAn+GKnaG1kfeD08xbUAAuE3A3Cvf5qMRA08KsdKfaOX72S2lQ5RNc5RT1xa/6X iOfDVproMJDiKiDW9Ze0FoUKiEemwuidzlSwimZ5ujVgeUOh53pi+I7hko/zghw= =T/O6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 08:31:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692397EF for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [178.254.11.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E8262332 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VVdcU-0007UL-Gq; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:35:18 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:35:18 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: "O. Hartmann" Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014083518.GA25424@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:31:14 -0000 El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 10:23:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: > > I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head > > too, rev. r328930. > > > > FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine > > with drag and drop. > > > > HIH > > > > matthias > > > > Sorry, > > FF is in my case 24, too: > > pkg info firefox > firefox-24.0,1 root@aurora:~ # pkg_info | fgrep firefox firefox-24.0,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla > Have you done updating the ports regarding > > 20130929 No, I did 'svn co ...' for /usr/ports on an empty machine and compiled all my used ports based on rev r328930. matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 09:07:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03103308 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7C8525B8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VVe7Q-0005vi-Aw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:07:16 +0200 Received: from pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([71.163.112.98]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:07:16 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:07:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:07:24 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > Hello there, > > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my > FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some > files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. > > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but > I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, > so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > > Any ideas? Should I open a PR? Not sure there is enough to go on for a PR, but something is weird. Friday morning our power went down at home for about three hours after I had already left for work. When I came home I found the router/gateway box was OK. It is still with the old DOS mbr and disklabel scheme, with softupdates, and is a pair of disks gmirrored. The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides /), then rebooted and system came back up OK. Both of these machines were recently updated to 9.2 Release from 9.1. It has been approximately 9 months, or so, since I last had a power outage like this one. Back then they were still 8.3 I think, did not have SU+J and recovered just fine on their own. This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat disconcerting. Beyond that, however, I do not have any other details or data. Nothing to flesh out a PR, but thought I'd mention what I saw in conjunction with your experience. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 09:11:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2AD3F6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F8712615 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9E9BYQJ015441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:11:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525BB546.1040309@fjl.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:11:34 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 References: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> <1381729068425-5851636.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1381729068425-5851636.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:37 -0000 On 14/10/2013 06:37, Beeblebrox wrote: > Hi, > I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error > message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact: > slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password. > > For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd > was modified to allow root login. All users have valid home directories > defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it? > sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin* > >>> Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? > The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not > have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can > eliminate these problems. > > I'm now really guessing - I've not tried 9.2-RELEASE. Given these things are usually really obvious when you finally spot them (it happens to me a lot, anyway), here are a few obvious things you could think of in case it helps. First off, ssh is different from a console login so what's in sshd_config matters. That said, the defaults generally work (or used to). In no particular order, in sshd_config: PasswordAuthentication must be "yes" KerberosOrLocalPasswd probably "yes" AllowUsers, AllowGroups, DenyUsers and DenyGroups need to be set correctly. ChrootDirectory - this could cause fun if it's set to something. Other things that might be interesting are UseLogin and UsePAM. If this was a fundamental problem with changed defaults in 9.2, I'm sure a lot more people would have complained. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 09:24:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30206625 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E446526C1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VVeNv-0007RH-RB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:24:19 +0200 Received: from pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([71.163.112.98]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:24:19 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:24:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:24:08 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:22 -0000 Michael Powell wrote: [snip] > The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It > was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. > There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had > failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides > /), then rebooted and system came back up OK. Meant to include also that I booted from a CD with wddiags and ran the Quick test and it found no errors on the disk. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r5sm143504685qaj.13.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3cyzbc6pf5z2CG5X for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:29:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: DEFAULT_VERSIONS= Message-ID: <20131014082916.294dce0f@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:29:22 -0000 Has the "DEFAULT_VERSIONS=" been extended to include ports other than python=2.7 python2=2.7 python3=3.3 perl5=5.18 ruby=2.0 tcltk=8.6 as presently shown in UPDATING? Are their plans to extend it to ports like db6, mysql56\*, etcetera? -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pi6sm24274014wic.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:39:53 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-ID: <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:39:57 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: > David Demelier wrote: > > > Hello there, > > > > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on > > my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly > > but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was > > unable to log in. > > > > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd > > but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > > > > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate > > files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. The journalling in SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity. When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple performance. If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or zfs instead. If you look back at the lists before these were added there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks. Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know whether this is still the case. > This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat > disconcerting. I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would (if you were looking) occasionally see "unexpected soft-update inconsistency" during the background check, which would lead to a foreground check on the next boot. 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If you have received this message in error, notify se= nder immediately and delete this message immediately.=94 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 13:51:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969F1965 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B8C299A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9EDpGlN086899; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9EDpF7G086896; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat In-Reply-To: <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:51:21 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: >>>> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? >>> >>> Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. >>> The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content >>> will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be >>> kept, except of course you previously remove everything. >> >> sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. > > Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for > the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > and > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html > > and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, > even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any > problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them. It's been a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing filesystems mounted at /mnt. Still, not something to try without a backup. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 14:04:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0710A13E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF9B92A92 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9EE3wYO087022; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9EE3vol087019; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "O. Hartmann" Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs In-Reply-To: <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> Message-ID: References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:00 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, O. Hartmann wrote: > > FF is in my case 24, too: > > pkg info firefox > firefox-24.0,1 > > Have you done updating the ports regarding > > 20130929 > > in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the > tab-stickyness is present. Firefox 24 allows tab moves for me on both 9-stable and 10-stable. The pixman update missed some files for me, resolved by using pkg_libchk (from sysutils/bsdadminscripts) to find the ports that needed rebuilding and then rebuilding them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 14:12:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685E2460 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BB452B3A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3B2524B66; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9EEC6jV001944; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:12:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:12:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat Message-Id: <20131014161206.c4bda8cf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:12:22 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:15 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have > bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them. It's been > a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. > bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing > filesystems mounted at /mnt. Still, not something to try without a > backup. So if I understand everything correctly, the "decision logic" is -- when partitions do already exist -- as follows: a) existing partitions not mounted: run newfs mount partitions copy files b) existing partitions mounted: do not run newfs copy files The installer itself doesn't seem to give a hint about this logic, even though the manual _might_ suggest it. I haven't examined the source code to fully verify this logic, even though it would be a reasonable approach. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 15:34:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7995165D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:34:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3927D2091 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id id10so4165934vcb.12 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=05wk5q0RLWkbLJEscKZmyhbXrTbl3fm+Rfw4o+dJ16U=; b=iPJqpRK//ALIuhSrssq3jGJlKUkw+mbsQsQlLiTeSsgGzjzV7vIQHmQ2o+0MlYGfS9 lWpGBEYdI54ikhK+7kn/mRLSBVvep6iUxzpGyHQPnwNYVTMcZxHLxNxcilhA4ANJRxbW xzxBrn7d8CzvYS5HcWbVZmBraViD3K7W8h+iDJWYENt8DxzXt62wrqNxR3ur9bnr6Hij tOc+ajfdondFlSvV7e8CMTS0yS0MnIXCw1IVhoaRyWtbMGJhkffFbJE5xoB4403rL9J9 uwqhNrZaTxIdMoJ8WAB4lNv1NQEfRfTJ9Nnc85ctCW9ShOkDmvjqNDkqoK7qLH+DqMew fTXw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkdIRm/Uo2dRCt1MTpMld7/aJ62gJxJlTdBMa76k6VKFIjGnXKdtUbP2o6ok3KgT2BzcERN MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.22.110 with SMTP id c14mr791628vdf.28.1381764859050; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.112.83 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014161206.c4bda8cf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014161206.c4bda8cf.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat From: Michael Sierchio To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:34:26 -0000 The brutal and brute-force approach can work - better if you boot from a USB stick, of course. You can untar base.tzx and kernel.tzx in your /, with filesystems mounted. As Polytropon says, do a backup of what you'll want afterwards. This approach will leave a lot of cruft (old versions of shared libraries, etc.), but will certainly work. Grab the distribution from (in this case, the example is for 9.2, i386) ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/9.2-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:34:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9656AEB for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com (mail-wi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43ECD2547 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h11so2491472wiv.12 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pIWReXEBcucP2yIIXiHxniy+rPplZ1zwyx/wLXEYtB8=; b=GqXwWsGE+n0AD/oy41XdU+UGaZjusaznzKRoVLCXkie9pg53+jprRv1v2QonWJ/Gw8 PdA3+yMJmwHIkWqFDkAaC9DrLLFx3lOXihxuVL3vPGW2pGFCmkdja9kIwXRoEMrcwuKO 7R1s1MDqEyAYjjKnTft0glPeStpXdY0yhCWNzq3HLMmz8SNLx3F3zL4rMwbPytKGf9Vo IV4XKOpVFq4+PoXfJve98h2zXmdT2J0OGpP3VO7GDS91OuTbm9Y0fPZYJXY4XBj3gD78 KHUhSvBn5XNJcq48RMsxFRF+/RhOZL9HBKWE0BmGdQf9Lf00ZRE32k22TmaqeO0cl+td jfIQ== X-Received: by 10.194.201.202 with SMTP id kc10mr30265069wjc.1.1381768489690; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (171.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id om10sm35847539wic.5.2013.10.14.09.34.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:34:51 -0000 On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 > Michael Powell wrote: > >> David Demelier wrote: >> >>> Hello there, >>> >>> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on >>> my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly >>> but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was >>> unable to log in. >>> >>> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd >>> but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... >>> >>> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate >>> files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > > The journalling in SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity. > > When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to > leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may > lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to > be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple > performance. > > If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or > zfs instead. Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover your data. I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. > If you look back at the lists before these were added > there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks. > Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives > incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know > whether this is still the case. > > >> This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat >> disconcerting. > > I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would > (if you were looking) occasionally see "unexpected soft-update > inconsistency" during the background check, which would lead to a > foreground check on the next boot. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:35:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C365BB97 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjpugmed@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-x243.google.com (mail-ve0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84007255D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f195.google.com with SMTP id c14so7709vea.2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eWyU4WIWXjqrLrucKHqltwq7oIBUFe4LfiCsToBTfOg=; b=dV1XDjIDK1kTlns0maG5M85J6u+zkgS+mnAtOfuexD14zp6SRpLV53ysP7ThU5Us/+ aRQbrw7OqQv+cNe1RNKMMQYpUMuH+88DuogjcVzEbQaG3oJTXThya+Yqjc5fP/mN8W/H fK0fpPMinPaO77EN/MUyJzd5CKiSjQUNfLHleKH2bnAXdnr0EbAI2NcFMMjjL0GfFR+d saJTJ4kFGujvbw+o7VT6jH252Qa+2eyx/m5xaxKjLBhU9oQt7x9F0VSUSs//RZeSdwGc DuiU9Y1LL+oosvN62ISsg9tSiQRmg2X/pdY/rHihAGkbGXA63vzqThKWoaDZdTxJwIgV coHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.27.243 with SMTP id w19mr29063468vdg.3.1381768549449; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.1.17 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf From: Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:35:50 -0000 Hi people, I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with other examples or experienced users. Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) variables. % uname -a FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 03:52:52 UTC 2013 root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 % dmesg | grep CPU CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) cpu0: on acpi0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 % dmesg | grep memory real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 42- vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' 43: device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' 44- class = network 45- subclass = ethernet My /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 I will appreciate any input about the subject. --CJPM [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning [4] http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:40:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0A7CBC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-x22b.google.com (mail-qe0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E56925D4 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f43.google.com with SMTP id nc12so5439927qeb.30 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tvEBaN2sRMlI/vsIerewTpoQEs3zWr5k95AVqPzxsy4=; b=CUds8mphlKA2l590atbzN9MZvlBTOSKMlpyMA0UdKtv1aQl1c6RP9iu4hDcJnErzvh OUpuhF3WsKObptQYXs3eky9RxhMJiQc02G0vjqd9ZVrG4TqDSQrqJobb7jZnS1AMvDCc IPds2MipKX/gOCI3y9zhPWCfox0OZx61wwDdevHUF0ZzRQUAY2zgmJbBqdNlXYKBqhUM EeLQBB75y0E3NkDrnt0FM/ZsiZ99iaervZjd8kXuAQJWdvs8sbp92OA2DNzhuJBq3UXt dKp9nlXeVjzoRWSxRUGG+V5T2b3KJwy1RXVKLXYzJw5wLID6bUd1oheDw0o1Dehq6+7P hwXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.161.83 with SMTP id q19mr3614588qax.92.1381768858351; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:40:58 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m2XQfX3L0WKvVj709LdkLlD-wBA Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:40:59 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM, David Demelier wrote: > Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file > system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? > > On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover > your data. > > I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the > default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct > way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. Agree :-) SU+J also seems to cause problems on SSD drives: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-February/016420.html -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:47:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CA1FD4 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com (mail-pa0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 125C2263D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb1so7777614pad.37 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zaXIx8FgKFdWsBof2+ZqhSuYTaGnFgVhzSF2wbbnETc=; b=JAyXl7FCB7hOscq6CbnWXBVACn7rqtlroOHzc0aszP3Y+scA1Sl0CKbiGY6QsDI3T9 7Bl3yLXN8LvWMC7So0rhjzzoslOqUcUzj+nxwNR/BoSx3keCE56tH7/tkjSCnWTgFRQu TC52xHunyaBakqryD+G72UBfuWPtTvKsgPIjQBixaaGuQN57Ra5v5lNvMCQ1cr86VISA /ruh9tNhb2ElK+Sskrm2VDCrCI0SBt/i2Tt+LpvJYiHgHeVdvg6emiJlUywOO8rh7SYw eJEn/wAGSnpfaZ6OMec3d6mTJekIJYkHjmLPHZRbEaphlb6FVfOTg82oWIczMrCDJgOO rEpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.225.232 with SMTP id rn8mr36486628pbc.32.1381769226987; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Adam Vande More To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:47:08 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier wrote: > > Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file > system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? > As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are committed to disk in the event of a power outage. On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover > your data. > This is complete garbage when using default settings as you imply below. The default for ext3 on basically every distro still using ext3 is an ordered journal and don't even get started on ext4. NTFS by default can/will also lose data on a power outage. > I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the > default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct > way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. > There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html The behavior you wish would slow down disk writes by an order of magnitude and is already available to users willing to use non-default settings. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:50:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB161158 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB8BE2694 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ii20so2556405qab.17 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZHHxfFsNd9QfiJGx8nuZRnU3zJhFdAwXmIcTTYbDPHo=; b=e5I+fSpXCjGZQLZq/LOPB6IEEyZ7AheD1sYe5wFPkSoKwngIJCHVliT5mmVRyN7AfC hKYrGZ87jFPtghvxGQuDyDf6Wnn/VP/phOxbVB7RDmQsdZdicFjIHftOHTuIfrVvASJH Jd/WEvkRPXhY9mua9oqlNRp33LT/Yy0DY74sKsV0/XXorJ1ZMa5kmq/+X4KlgP4AYQMF uce9mycTUFK/xdHjNSPS8X0q80+2BwEk+A5sMi+o0v0cA3ymQOTyG+6qb4lS6F+BLiz/ 5rZSYgLBvGJfiD+W2ZVuFK+caicpCobIugW7fe12w/Vc5paahdezD8HrGS3VfRZt9t4N vo2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.65.201 with SMTP id k9mr39415579qci.11.1381769456820; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:50:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3QWNTNb_1qkgdyZz6uDYyR9e_p4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: David Demelier , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:50:58 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier > wrote: >> >> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file >> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? > > As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data > is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are > committed to disk in the event of a power outage. Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not accessed/written on power loss? :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:54:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFC73B5 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjpugmed@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-x244.google.com (mail-vc0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FD3726E4 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f196.google.com with SMTP id ia6so1171553vcb.11 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ciAkb67MBtA18YHKgfPBZOQ1lsfkj0PYbH5XDX1xBYQ=; b=tlNoOEkJT8DnPFfibgwEr1RpHaiDNmnoy2Bb5Jxcq9y62o75vHUvaDUUv5Vm27dI/f s9/gX1FE8vaodBelswUJ17b0+RY9/kIGwEUFUBibsdMhzt6lKE0ACF7/TkDup/piX7Q5 PmCzu7nh3HtobFIKdobLzSZU7/1EyG77r1MrL+rkBPsXCFDqwmWV+JuxO/Rf0QHv1FNw /uXwy+/bjGiMVcJQ1o11Ug0c1CGudIfA7B5sFXfS/c05BScWY9xngc1utLizvd5ebHoy HrtWMFnVdRcHhq0aXVS3jn7ZnVxulcHiZJL2TmwBcu4m7vGhZlKsMdIqouFzf4YG5FNQ HcZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.67.9 with SMTP id j9mr7617310vet.3.1381769681599; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.1.17 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:54:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf From: Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:54:43 -0000 Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error :) % cat /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > Hi people, > > I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the > specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials > [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with > sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with > other examples or experienced users. > > Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) > variables. > > % uname -a > FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 > 03:52:52 UTC 2013 root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > % dmesg | grep CPU > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) > cpu0: on acpi0 > p4tcc0: on cpu0 > > % dmesg | grep memory > real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) > avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) > > % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet > 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 > rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 > 42- vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' > 43: device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' > 44- class = network > 45- subclass = ethernet > > My /etc/sysctl.conf > > # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ > # > # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru > # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. > # > > # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes > that > # are being run under another UID. > #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 > vfs.usermount=1 > hw.snd.default_unit=2 > kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 > kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 > kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 > kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 > kern.maxfiles=65536 > kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 > net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 > net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 > net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 > net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 > net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 > net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 > net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 > net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 > net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 > net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 > net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 > net.inet.ip.random_id=1 > > http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel > # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. > vm.max_wired=524288 > > I will appreciate any input about the subject. > --CJPM > > [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html > [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING > [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning > [4] > http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:56:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3901581 for ; 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Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Adam Vande More To: CeDeROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: David Demelier , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:56:52 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM, CeDeROM wrote: > > Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not > accessed/written on power loss? :-) > Prove they weren't. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:02:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE0BA37 for ; 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Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:02:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qagfY27GSgf3hmURmcXlX8mvkwM Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: David Demelier , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:02:42 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM, CeDeROM wrote: >> Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not >> accessed/written on power loss? :-) > Prove they weren't. Hmm, maybe /etc/pwd.db as David mentioned? This is updated on password change, which does not happen all the time.. so why it was damaged when no write occured..? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:05:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D9AB08 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (uk1rly2283-a.eechost.net [217.69.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302A227D2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VVlYx-0001w8-52 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:04:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VVla7-000D7d-Az for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:05:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:05:23 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf Message-Id: <20131014180523.39507ca78fbe96e16d9d0e04@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:05:32 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:49 +0200 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina wrote: > Hi people, > > I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the > specifications of my PC. As a general rule it is more appropriate to think of tuning in terms of the workload you intend to apply to your PC. Most changes you can make will benefit some workflows at the cost of making others less efficient. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:10:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B50C46 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmettee@pchotshots.com) Received: from mail.pchotshots.com (mail.pchotshots.com [12.172.123.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6428281F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5303 invoked by uid 89); 14 Oct 2013 17:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?12.172.123.228?) (bmettee@pchotshots.com@12.172.123.228) by mail.pchotshots.com with ESMTPA; 14 Oct 2013 17:09:44 -0000 Message-ID: <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:09:40 -0400 From: Brad Mettee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CeDeROM , Adam Vande More Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Demelier , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:10:13 -0000 On 10/14/2013 12:50 PM, CeDeROM wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier >> wrote: >>> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file >>> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? >> As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data >> is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are >> committed to disk in the event of a power outage. > Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not > accessed/written on power loss? :-) Random files can be affected because the sectors of the hard disk containing the directory entries for those files, not the file data itself, may be damaged (ie: the directory was in the process of being written OR the pointer to that SECTOR was in the process of being written). It doesn't mean a file was in active use, just that a chunk of the disk with data relevant to that file was. Keep in mind, one sector of disk may have data for a dozen files in it (or more). Damage doesn't have to occur because a given file was in use at the time of a crash. If your power grid is prone to failures or blips, I strongly suggest investing in a UPS. Brad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:16:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94810D3F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x232.google.com (mail-qc0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5525E2887 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x19so5695qcw.37 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DpZWwl6b1wLipcgUSQAfNJdQ4/zzpc7oi6D98N7LvEM=; b=K7DDQ86QpMFVvNld8hHTcZlf341M28YRoaosEn73M/Cm+aCIW6CbqGBr2sWHbOmdIl 0KL+Jx5A6YOfl+kf/tbiZZtkMRLFkqCv5HcUCPwhRXMO5hd+O1YLNGeRLKP8UT1/7QS6 BvtfOIdVNMa1jjXzkDpe89mNPsLcMlCBoT1y8VhBKPMTW2LO22qgxRjGLfVQUwd9Azz5 ZBSePXOAi7AzlHlJWj9EvcZXIz3JtWH55PxzbgWeEHewS9vj/oVbf2vns5IgV6wZ0KUh TPTfxLn3IvVEGNvBoM//5Vx2EYs3TKQQ/2yFx6nDt6eBcjeZT/e+FmVpiRRnrEHhoyOg Wy4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.171.67 with SMTP id g3mr36753904qaz.13.1381770983508; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:16:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1gbhhwe_Zq9m4pSLloosOlKDZJ0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Brad Mettee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: David Demelier , Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:16:24 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Brad Mettee wrote: > On 10/14/2013 12:50 PM, CeDeROM wrote: >> Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not >> accessed/written on power loss? :-) > > Random files can be affected because the sectors of the hard disk containing > the directory entries for those files, not the file data itself, may be > damaged (ie: the directory was in the process of being written OR the > pointer to that SECTOR was in the process of being written). > > It doesn't mean a file was in active use, just that a chunk of the disk with > data relevant to that file was. Keep in mind, one sector of disk may have > data for a dozen files in it (or more). Damage doesn't have to occur because > a given file was in use at the time of a crash. Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? > If your power grid is prone to failures or blips, I strongly suggest > investing in a UPS. I have UPS in my desktop and also I am working on a laptop, so the power supply is not the only possible cause of system crash.. this may be faulty driver, hardware failure, kernel panic, etc. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:22:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8D7F93 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjpugmed@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-x244.google.com (mail-vb0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B28A2905 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f68.google.com with SMTP id e13so1155155vbg.7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Pe1/qpWUMliB+PHuMqnE7fJHBziwev3ZIJnwQiE9kr4=; b=jzv4lYWIy8xHBQU6CtJpS/2H/En/V8IWYmfb/njhyuH6ILI39BvjrzdKtD9TOTUxfd 9BGvI6gum9oSjZoqWK+SIXavC2rHUE6bskCBG+LtyiA07lY/KUEvYNsVCM3EugAQlp1G jrmg5xVdnbQLNgfk6/mlmskwrYXRATUUZnPyz9fwjz5m1GMlwSVvTbHVAx4fq1C5Lt60 In+3UEzUqcwHf8yDSoZpgHZheII7a5NWsan635PdbuGU5hT5RyZzZu285joKeCN84St0 I0i0l6dQi9I+m8/3R9Bqhmbe1jz09DAzm5gav764w5ThjMu82JcCNwGn8TkYToJwhf1J NICA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.169.203 with SMTP id a11mr1183855vcz.26.1381771364645; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.1.17 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:22:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf From: Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:22:46 -0000 Hi Steve, I use it as a paticular desktop PC. Well, if you need more details about it, please, let me know. What do you think about current tuning? Thanks --CJPM 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake > I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error > :) > > % cat /etc/sysctl.conf > # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ > # > # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru > # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. > # > > # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes > that > # are being run under another UID. > #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 > vfs.usermount=1 > hw.snd.default_unit=2 > kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 > kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 > kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 > kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 > kern.maxfiles=65536 > kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 > net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 > net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 > net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 > net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 > net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 > net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 > net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 > net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 > net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 > net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 > net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 > net.inet.ip.random_id=1 > > # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. > vm.max_wired=524288 > > > > 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > >> Hi people, >> >> I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the >> specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials >> [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with >> sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with >> other examples or experienced users. >> >> Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) >> variables. >> >> % uname -a >> FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 >> 03:52:52 UTC 2013 root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> i386 >> >> % dmesg | grep CPU >> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) >> cpu0: on acpi0 >> p4tcc0: on cpu0 >> >> % dmesg | grep memory >> real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) >> avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) >> >> % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet >> 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 >> rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 >> 42- vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' >> 43: device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' >> 44- class = network >> 45- subclass = ethernet >> >> My /etc/sysctl.conf >> >> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux >> $ >> # >> # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru >> # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. >> # >> >> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes >> that >> # are being run under another UID. >> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 >> vfs.usermount=1 >> hw.snd.default_unit=2 >> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 >> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 >> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 >> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 >> kern.maxfiles=65536 >> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 >> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 >> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 >> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 >> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 >> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 >> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 >> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 >> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 >> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 >> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 >> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 >> net.inet.ip.random_id=1 >> >> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel >> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. >> vm.max_wired=524288 >> >> I will appreciate any input about the subject. >> --CJPM >> >> [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html >> [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING >> [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning >> [4] >> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:47:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1309C5EA; 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Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from briankrusicw.logan.tv ([64.17.255.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xn12sm92836170pac.12.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: aurfalien In-Reply-To: <1381600575.18393.33219025.5D7B78D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:47:43 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <645CFB83-23A9-4513-896F-0FBFC55E9A23@gmail.com> References: <1381600575.18393.33219025.5D7B78D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Mark Felder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:47:46 -0000 On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my = Mac >> faster then my PC" kind of email. >>=20 >> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. >>=20 >=20 > It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for > those HBAs? Hi, So the firmware versions are as follows; Intel RS25GB008 which is a rebadged LSI 9207-8e which uses the LSI 2308 = controller; Intel firmware13.00.66.00-IT LSI 9206-16e which uses the LSI 2308 controller as well; LSI firmware 17.00.01.00-IT Should I specifically set any of the card settings like "hook int" or = "bypass int hook"... etc...? - aurf= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 17:54:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22BE8D3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:54:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [93.89.92.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EDBD2AE7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB80AE6DDC; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:54:06 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=LIXjF6abSgxh Hah92PpxkJ5zGb8=; b=wM3EnqLeKCL7sjJdkqJvyJSPaUK1PXPMZv8lizFADck/ /OMQZM73ht6OuQ7HFpuIPy0gKFIQAvRUfH9kUqV7qWmT5wsRv0pr5G1hxAgSA8vq IuYPL6WesFmBueu55qSPe617LsQ7gz7bZoH+mHau8mFhc90ITobYfHpXaOwARVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=RwYBFB 7ykbtNu1eRdZY3wLLien+tY/gHXMbX+J+dGBqNMd9H8L/m84ud1jMjD6MTkUAgTt y+SQVaZrHZf5ntGUtAZC9DT7P4RuadiG8JhPaWALbpAb/3t+7ZMB4ikkH/qPQUOb VjXDXpRv9fDfH8ULm725G+akXXsdsvEjT/bwk= Received: from [192.168.2.103] (unknown [93.89.81.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A71F0E6DD6; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:54:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:54:04 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CeDeROM , Brad Mettee Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Demelier , Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:54:16 -0000 On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: > Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is replayed. For ext3, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt explains the different modes, with 'ordered' being default: Data Mode --------- There are 3 different data modes: * writeback mode In data=writeback mode, ext3 does not journal data at all. This mode provides a similar level of journaling as that of XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS in its default mode - metadata journaling. A crash+recovery can cause incorrect data to appear in files which were written shortly before the crash. This mode will typically provide the best ext3 performance. * ordered mode In data=ordered mode, ext3 only officially journals metadata, but it logically groups metadata and data blocks into a single unit called a transaction. When it's time to write the new metadata out to disk, the associated data blocks are written first. In general, this mode performs slightly slower than writeback but significantly faster than journal mode. * journal mode data=journal mode provides full data and metadata journaling. All new data is written to the journal first, and then to its final location. In the event of a crash, the journal can be replayed, bringing both data and metadata into a consistent state. This mode is the slowest except when data needs to be read from and written to disk at the same time where it outperforms all other modes. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:08:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCBDE1C for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x229.google.com (mail-we0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AC2D2BBD for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q58so7520292wes.28 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:08:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YpBJeq/qJEMPZ8ykV+HPWZi9zWnBqzzpe5+dUvTUbKg=; b=HjnbWVUX8T5/eVyawd41NjeAsbQlzrlBM0ysV1j8EPTchInOiY8dj2zAwbGGCFaUPi JA7GHHOeIVEjhVTKY2+ZPdiQDw2cxhoAxYgMegScsaC1TOvwtCkOz4E+bKDw7zxBU3Yg +VVGtDiZ4NMfD+kr6Qoyn/VYscHJO7TO1M/BU3+pCmxeko3zuDb/8elk1a/K+bgnsyL8 wurfnROQQyQYnVBQn11q5TCBfe83rkfAS2/DgLP3qdHztEkrKzCJBQpFvXEVEs0dwc7f eq0af75aHPdOs9ctHOmlxpNVXde5ti9fZQXjOczqMVda672r7vZaMInBxIbycNhkcg50 HnGg== X-Received: by 10.194.201.202 with SMTP id kc10mr30614465wjc.1.1381774134397; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ev4sm36604045wib.7.2013.10.14.11.08.53 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:08:50 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-ID: <20131014190850.355ecd63@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:08:56 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200 David Demelier wrote: > On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: > > If you are having problems with data integrity you might try > > gjournal or zfs instead. > > Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file > system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? SU+J isn't a journalled filesytem, it's a filesystem with soft-updates that journals information about free space so it can be recovered without having to go through the whole filesystem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:25:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DB937E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79DD82CBF for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7256 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2013 19:17:14 -0000 Received: from pool-71-167-229-74.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@71.167.229.74) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 14 Oct 2013 19:17:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 58155 invoked by uid 103); 14 Oct 2013 17:48:33 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 2013 17:48:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: Warren Block In-reply-to: (message from Warren Block on Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:13 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:25:00 -0000 > > > Hi, > > > > I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and > > reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the > > past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step > > involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this > > easily. > > What errors, exactly? Well, for example: portmaster -Faf it starts to fetch a bunch of files it finds a port which has been deleted, such as linux-base-fc4 and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted. terminating terminating terminating etc. > > > So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this > > and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' > > upgrade of each port? > > It should "just work". Have you converted to pkgng? > I dream of the day that the ports system will "just work". I don't use binary packages, are you saying that pkgng will deal with this issue automatically? Thanks, Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:33:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE8A5F8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x231.google.com (mail-qa0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE452D3B for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i13so2659060qae.1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QQY07PU6KX4m58vFFymNeg0EUaBN5/z9Oqt3SUXgi+E=; b=WZ9xaqkuiCAk9rI3P1iTst+ZmTLxFTbttGRLVlYmFZ3YYCLEziRV66Ac/ciVsDchvD GaRsYe+8CNu0r0H+sgD+ilThNCtjn4qsP9jQgkeg4IaTpeN3uXcXcp2UWKGtlJuMxV2W S5xo6A9lIfsInzPbutCGbPeyZmzsh8F9lRKCIIf9S5LPIOI7rUPInoGIt8HKk8nMf5KC nC942iMQm1Nd3eN3mMQPDRNmf7M/tPTluc3wH4RSAFSyokWaZhas7AqRSC9BN1MtD2m6 zBq2akQSetVa4dncAT6xYb85c6OANX2KrTgoYppR/1BSnyyBjrSwSFuTeufV7HtY1Xvu Jt0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.160.83 with SMTP id m19mr3927553qax.108.1381775593943; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:33:13 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cDmHk80YkSEIGokyXuXjwCqEWi8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Bruce Cran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: David Demelier , Adam Vande More , Brad Mettee , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:33:15 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: >> Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? > > Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not > the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual > fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is > replayed. Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:40:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200BE773 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D17032DDC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC22AE6DDC; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:40:49 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=C0VII10YALZT hLBctREDlp4y0Z0=; b=R2eVED7cYKaGQnos9XSNwv8szEpgA52SBcfbjQOHqib9 YiBKXFczuXJ2HRCjzEUxQePBBZjN5CpL6z/3Q8e/a3EsLjcaoiOqUboRxzb4CCTE K+Yvl7BHxuySA9vxg1PV2i8nDqquNmanc7oXG1qjAv19qWRQb3sO6bbzHj3XnDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=QDo/cp vuWJPsJ0P3Wr1W0znU+v5gYM/+7NgFrLPyRiULL/6Dk1lMW/O3XhPAhcPlDdJwFY pfIQa9nhBMNMnFCknnKKk0NGtsdm1/FYmYmx7L3SD8j39VbExCwZFWjkLgDBZVDD dt+Md4PXNqqS+Uz2sNCKBChDnFdLNJ0Og12Hs= Received: from [192.168.2.103] (unknown [93.89.81.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76FF1E6DD6; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:40:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <525C3AB0.6030609@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:40:48 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CeDeROM Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Demelier , Adam Vande More , Brad Mettee , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:40:52 -0000 On 10/14/2013 7:33 PM, CeDeROM wrote: > Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to > force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Or to do a filesystem check > after crash..? Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem > unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume > disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? > > What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of > crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-) As I understand it UFS+J gives the same reliability as UFS with a normal fsck after a crash, so on a development system the only ways to improve the situation would be to mount with the 'sync' option, disable write caching on the disk or to switch to a different filesystem like ZFS. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:43:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFCD83F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com (mail-pa0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 939AF2E00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb1so7806241pad.23 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Wi/0MjFSUzV7WB3LMvRnfI79QOw/XXn3rxhdvjJwgVw=; b=XlLLskuKyxhD/rm6WRQHQuCT0BJ48b3OSPzbL5/3VjXETE7p431+bu1PH9iKEgA5kD sPsD8dBLzZPd45KDOrZMbyQMi1trQ2v+kyTpRGLi4h8pf7xAOYPYLBlxCxrJeZFhEpfB klvB+xUHZ7b87a73aClF291YXl+8cP+cln7qeLKEp41Ai2SAVFGlxqPEWgkU9Gud9lii Exebpc5SB0Ielx91IB20Rg6iuDI9NTVrT3RtFOPvV/VRf1vZ/CpAWk0bhQa+826vVg7R Giz1xVOpQ7DQKh+gzOoic8CFkhw68wRqwG11lvg78KCt09BOyzffhqp7mscfYdm71jnU xpUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.178.143 with SMTP id cy15mr39526628pac.105.1381776220276; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:43:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Adam Vande More To: CeDeROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Bruce Cran , David Demelier , Brad Mettee , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:43:40 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, CeDeROM wrote: > Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to > force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Please explain the logic in which this helps anything. > Or to do a filesystem check > after crash..? Already standard behavior as implicitly seen in this thread. > Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem > unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? No and any fs that requires such a system is broken by design. > That would assume > disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? > > What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of > crash? > mount -o sync or use ZFS. Both require hardware that correctly report success to fsync. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:44:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D4F8E7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-x229.google.com (mail-pd0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8839C2E14 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r10so7808574pdi.28 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; 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Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (bramley.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD732E4A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:48:27 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay6.apple.com ([17.128.113.90]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MUO00I3I9ITGF61@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1180715a-b7fdb6d000004dc1-57-525c3c6e5a5d Received: from [17.153.18.19] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.18.19]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id BE.77.19905.F6C3C525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Message-id: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> To: CeDeROM X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOFNIWDffJibIYGULk8WembPYLF5+3cTi wOQx49N8Fo97SzoYA5iiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDIezm9hKnglUNHWv4ixgXEdbxcjB4eEgInE kp9iXYycQKaYxIV769m6GLk4hAS6mSR+rbjBCpJgFtCSuPHvJRNIPa+AnsT2X3IgYWEBI4kr e1awgoTZBNQkJkzkAQlzCgRKbPj0mAnEZhFQlbjx8g0LxBRTie8dD5khbG2JZQtfg9m8AlYS 1xZtZYdY+4RZYv+bb2ANIgKyEn0XL7BD3CYrcfrcc5YJjPyzkFw0C+GiWUjGLmBkXsUoUJSa k1hpppdYUJCTqpecn7uJERRuDYVROxgbllsdYhTgYFTi4f3BGxMkxJpYVlyZe4hRgoNZSYQ3 9210kBBvSmJlVWpRfnxRaU5q8SFGaQ4WJXFeCXWgaoH0xJLU7NTUgtQimCwTB6dUA2PU7+Ur FiWqu/r9zXQ+fbPXwinxbvmJmV7dba+TXxQ+NppZPXXnpc+WKzfF9AVkVTdIzJL6dnm5gk7s q+re1ReZzyxcrJzd+tFHxW/5Dz/XSeE+UlIMO7RVnn39Njnj8bxZ85kXutxOfRU2y6CwLEci +fBO7dL113pmH1K++r44IerkN6bFWkeVWIozEg21mIuKEwHPQ37+MwIAAA== Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:48:28 -0000 On Oct 14, 2013, at 11:33 AM, CeDeROM wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: >> On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: >>> Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? >> >> Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not >> the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual >> fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is >> replayed. > > Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to > force filesystem check every n-th mount..? You shouldn't ever need to recheck the filesystem if it was shutdown cleanly. However, it doesn't hurt to fire off an fsck once a year or so just to look for any unexpected issues. > Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. > Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem > unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume > disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? /etc/rc.conf should support something like the following to do what you ask: fsck_y_enable="YES" background_fsck="NO" force_fsck="YES" > What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of > crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-) Well, you can use mount -o sync and disable write caching via hw.ata.wc=0 or similar depending on what kind of drives you use. This will cause a massive loss of write performance, but will greatly improve reliability-- i.e. fsync() and such are not as likely to lie about whether bits have made it to disk, even in the face of hardware which lies about ATA_FLUSHCACHE (or SCSI "SYNCHRONIZE CACHE", etc). Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 18:58:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A9E267 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-x22f.google.com (mail-qe0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 353D92F0F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id b4so5458870qen.6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+NVIVZJjlXEaloM5fgYGsG6PgH3HPpMX2lS+MPv++J4=; b=HuC5v4+Q3JEBysvP8zBTncGe1uXs24LxRDwTKF5ultjAx2Cl006CsvtRVMv+l73g7F d7TJY2vHsTSk8s3B2wxwBMQYLJ7BxTQZ/vGoNkafRyA0XLILu1DMnNfK/e3w69t9s1oX MLMIX45HVik+49X6C1GFi3DKVVxTdYa+m33kMB/ZngkpxQ7Zzl0BYLMnaZ+TwnMruQRc 78IyrOOC66FwRQGjeXWac8Fevf94aLT6HMmJ69tkLJmBB0wVY9kXk5rrWo7kelIz5am6 UjPdx+3wHCDkGOgpzCr2OU/JbzDtBUG9bPzon5rX8IYuqZATmMeAi459nak1QuVrWZSY Jedg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.3.3 with SMTP id 3mr28216733qey.56.1381777108349; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:58:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -hHAlWcnpx5nHtl6rkDK0v8dHKQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Charles Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:58:29 -0000 Thank you all for good hints! This will come handy! :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 19:06:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441383BD for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@havokmon.com) Received: from smtp101-5.vfemail.net (nine.vfemail.net [108.76.175.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2CFB2F9D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10058 invoked by uid 89); 14 Oct 2013 19:06:38 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 10052, pid: 10055, t: 0.0614s scanners:none Received: from unknown (HELO www110) (cmlja0BoYXZva21vbi5jb20=@172.16.100.92) by 172.16.100.61 with ESMTPA; 14 Oct 2013 19:06:38 -0000 Received: from rrcs-98-103-53-237.central.biz.rr.com (rrcs-98-103-53-237.central.biz.rr.com [98.103.53.237]) by beta.vfemail.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:06:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20131014140634.Horde.RLqCiCVtG0TctQBuro7mGA7@beta.vfemail.net> From: Rick Romero To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NFS locks rpcbind port = 0 failed? - try #2 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H5 (6.1.4) X-VFEmail-Originating-IP: OTguMTAzLjUzLjIzNw== X-VFEmail-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 @ X-VFEmail-AntiSpam: Notify admin@vfemail.net of any spam, and include VFEmail headers X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Plaintext Message X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:06:47 -0000 This is a continuation of "9.1 VM nfs3 & locks over VPN" - trying a different angle maybe it'll jostle someones memory. I now have a FreeBSD 9.2 VM at an offsite hosting company.  hostname nl101vpn OpenVPN is installed on it, routed not bridged mode. I have multiple OSs installed on local network. I'm already exportings NFS off 9.1 with working locks. export nfsv3 or nfsv4 from nl101vpn -  locks do not work. export nfsv3 from any local system, mount on nl101vpn - locks work. export nfsv3 from locally installed VM, mount on any local host or nl101vpn - locks work.  No OpenVPN installed on it though. I even ran a tcpdump to see if something was getting lost - both sides match, nothing is getting dropped nl101vpn - /var/log/messages: Oct 14 12:21:01 nl101 kernel: NLM: failed to contact remote rpcbind, stat = 0, port = 0  (why port 0?) Oct 14 12:23:02 nl101 last message repeated 109 times Oct 14 12:25:48 nl101 last message repeated 177 times So I haven't exhausted every combination, or completely 100% replicated whats happening offsite, but it's getting pretty ridiculous now... I'm lost, and I need locking. Help :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 19:10:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F003567 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F62A2FC6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [66.251.72.185]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9EIpvJt064580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:51:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Bruce Cran Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure In-Reply-To: <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.03 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20131014 #11242732, check: 20131014 clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:39:11 +0000 Cc: David Demelier , Adam Vande More , Brad Mettee , FreeBSD Questions , CeDeROM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:10:04 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: >> Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? > > Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not > the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual > fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is > replayed. This discussion skirts the critical issue - are files that are not open for writing endangered? No description of the uses of journaling can be considered informative if it doesn't address that explicitly. As a naive user I have always assumed that once closed, a file was invulnerable to improper shutdowns, but this discussion shakes that belief. I expect the answer may be different for SSD and spinning disks. dan feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 19:41:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE10B4C for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x230.google.com (mail-wg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76E5421DC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id b13so6603697wgh.27 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IyotbYbkab5qsBNoxgyFA7FaRFv1Nj5xApYivURHBqA=; b=e7zl9P5GYA9TcE/VUOlzuP4WNn5NMLtUSHc+/XnmvhhoiGl633ucUt+UBwmJ7vZxHf 0IiSHbfJ3pqfsctfSl3w4KHHriZDRMRgCazdiwRwkntJNSJEKMR0G9dvWfnzRVTLClEy edGmaxdWRwXOBM+2kIG0/EgxLWPAN8/5sAhniUwyLQfRQmb9GVo2NZ+gAbTuTLFNj88e US/xSYJajW28m3taiNHIz+53MLoH9NLXxs/KjJGqxT/2pIgpoJ0CtBxWhimciCa0U9mX obbQUcUiyOTvjF6CXCy2QUtN3SxU15MlbSu+7iRtLQNbOfNvBfMgPhrMSvTDRBAekcFE uK4Q== X-Received: by 10.194.81.135 with SMTP id a7mr3010930wjy.56.1381779686692; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e1sm37332089wij.6.2013.10.14.12.41.26 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:41:25 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-ID: <20131014204125.6cc4a31e@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:41:28 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: > Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full > timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. Journalling removes the need for the background fsck which only recovers lost space. > With journalling, it should be > able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, My understanding is that the journal does nothing to restore the filesystem other than keep track of orphaned memory. In all other respect it's the job of soft-updates to keep the filesystem in an OK state. When it doesn't you need a foreground check. > but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it > usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. I think if the journal fails, you would really need to run at least a foreground preen, maybe a full fsck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 19:47:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3747FDE7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E78472210 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VVo6Y-0005yB-0v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:47:02 +0200 Received: from pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([71.163.112.98]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:47:02 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:47:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:46:50 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:47:05 -0000 Charles Swiger wrote: [snip] > Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming > fsck > in the foreground. With journalling, it should be able to do a journal > replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, but sometimes that > doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a > background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. In my case the journal replay failed, with an error to that effect. All partitions other than / failed to mount and after hitting enter at the .../bin/sh prompt performed manual fsck on all of them, which found and fixed some stuff. Then shutdown -r and everything came up fine (clean) afterwards. Net result was no data loss for me. [snip] -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 19:48:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867BDEA5 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22f.google.com (mail-we0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E29A2227 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id t61so7628014wes.34 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:48:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A/KQns6xDAggnGkxAtxC9QW/+0OR8+dGH21Cy0XSmVM=; b=qz30wZb+ky5xT5gUJ3OUKWTfb1GUTN7kwFM09vMmIe8rPdl56xXQIG2XJzQ3UGHeQB rirXAxxiTtJ5BXuBUOr+W4yAGPvHULu9YnhTkO+/wqB3SrsmDNxKSNV1Dd7QL20aV6jJ 2AmWu6dXnoVifTcGNEsAc8yyvzjTKHyD4gNsE7px6zIoeAiYYULV+Ts2HaZMLFdH/EJ1 QFk/57WcnVGNIF7MJTmpJ02uO4tFAOYBSGDQHe8I9GRjg6tq/FwUu+9G893U9JxfeoCp vUAu7ZobKCiAwhpILxMxoQofgARcqNu7bgv0RwQopYMXL6V7kJ4bZ1VsddixK8H3gTe+ iLWQ== X-Received: by 10.180.77.82 with SMTP id q18mr15820660wiw.7.1381780126462; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s4sm37399373wiy.1.2013.10.14.12.48.45 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:48:45 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-ID: <20131014204845.7b57b49b@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:48:48 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: > fsck_y_enable="YES" One of the most annoying things about SU+J is that fsck asks if you want to use the journal. So fsck -y wont do a proper check unless the journal replay fails. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 20:32:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0755351 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A876E256A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9EKVuPZ089983; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9EKVu7w089980; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Scott Ballantyne Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports In-Reply-To: <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Message-ID: References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:32:05 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: >>> I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and >>> reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the >>> past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step >>> involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this >>> easily. >> >> What errors, exactly? > > Well, for example: > > portmaster -Faf > it starts to fetch a bunch of files > it finds a port which has been deleted, such as > linux-base-fc4 > and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted. > terminating > terminating > terminating > etc. That's correct. linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by linux_base-f10. portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so evidently it quits. If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to be long. Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have to be handled manually. >>> So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this >>> and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' >>> upgrade of each port? >> >> It should "just work". Have you converted to pkgng? >> > > I dream of the day that the ports system will "just work". I don't use > binary packages, are you saying that pkgng will deal with this issue > automatically? No, the concern was that you might have already converted to pkgng but still used the old package tools. 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[91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q17sm37846863wiv.10.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525C56BD.8060706@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:40:29 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <20131014190850.355ecd63@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20131014190850.355ecd63@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:40:43 -0000 On 14.10.2013 20:08, RW wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200 > David Demelier wrote: > >> On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: > >>> If you are having problems with data integrity you might try >>> gjournal or zfs instead. >> >> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file >> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? > > SU+J isn't a journalled filesytem, it's a filesystem with soft-updates > that journals information about free space so it can be recovered > without having to go through the whole filesystem. > Okay, but why the fsck didn't run by itself to detect that the journal didn't replayed correctly (if I understanding well) to correct the issues? 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[91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mw9sm38243223wib.0.2013.10.14.13.42.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525C5718.4000008@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:42:00 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:42:14 -0000 On 14.10.2013 18:47, Adam Vande More wrote: > There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in > http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html > Aha, please don't play on words ;-). I think you understood I was speaking about the filesystem state not a lawyer issue. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 20:46:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830D5AB2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22f.google.com (mail-we0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1844426A8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id t61so7514078wes.20 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oaPH5Uy3CXru4K96Fpm5IOEMA250AB/76vCpRUqotTM=; b=Q8Hshj1MbQJRykZN0TQTV25p88mHjS5jKNQAacW8vndRutgR6raId53VEoSwZGxJxk txQbDFa76CiS0NN2CvRYGDnEkksdE0mArT3PivNkVqaG6jYt/w7BM3EMUddNmsb5/i7n aix2YGuPUP5wyo4Zu6XuvZaO55hxJdZQdHbb6ozHR5A/pJqyp+9x8e/lhMfOYGViDIJf Cu94hhn5RDVJiHy1ZhiVS0kgzAhVRnkBwRuDIRdjBnlRdE8FG8GbOevwbHXbd44F5Iji pc7wo4GEcLxI7LA/Tsv2iRqNeYStfC+DLdHYlPc0QZ0zdNPKyij0BHDKuatMHLinGfaD 1UZg== X-Received: by 10.180.109.33 with SMTP id hp1mr10001818wib.45.1381783576621; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (171.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d11sm37797415wic.4.2013.10.14.13.46.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525C580C.9070201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:46:04 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More , CeDeROM Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bruce Cran , Brad Mettee , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:46:18 -0000 On 14.10.2013 20:43, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, CeDeROM > wrote: > > Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to > force filesystem check every n-th mount..? > > > Please explain the logic in which this helps anything. > > > Or to do a filesystem check > after crash..? > > > Already standard behavior as implicitly seen in this thread. > > > Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem > unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? > > > No and any fs that requires such a system is broken by design. > > > That would assume > disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? > > What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of > crash? > > > mount -o sync or use ZFS. Both require hardware that correctly report > success to fsync. I personnally love ZFS and use it massively on my server, but for a desktop I think this is a real overkill. Also I don't have so much RAM to waste for that. I think UFS is enough, however as a modern operating system I don't expect any data corruption by default using SU+J. The filesystem domain is not a thing I really know deeply, so thanks for all you explanation. PS: the power failure is not the only way that does not shutdown cleanly the system. There are kernel panics, crash and such of course. Those which appears sometimes too. Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 21:04:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8FD7EE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFAA42833 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay3.apple.com ([17.128.113.83]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MUO00IHDFVAGFH1@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807153-b7fa56d000007d7a-93-525c5c6a3e26 Received: from [17.153.100.31] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.100.31]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay3.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 73.72.32122.A6C5C525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:45 -0700 Message-id: <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> To: Daniel Feenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrILMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiODNFXjcrJibIYMkaLYvZp5ewWLz8uonF gcljxqf5LB4Hdj1kCmCK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MqYtvILc8FT/oozm24zNjBe5Oli5OSQEDCR aD/bwgphi0lcuLeerYuRi0NIoJdJ4vjJJewgCWYBLYkb/14ydTFycPAK6Els/yUHEhYWMJK4 smcFK0iYTUBNYsJEsJGcAtYSCzf/AetkEVCV2LRnDivEFFOJ7x0PmSFsbYllC1+D2bwCVhLv jr6CWnuOWeLg+TlMIAkRAXWJvkN/mCBuk5U4fe45ywRG/llILpqFcNEsJGMXMDKvYhQoSs1J rDTWSywoyEnVS87P3cQICriGwuAdjH+WWR1iFOBgVOLh/ckbEyTEmlhWXJl7iFGCg1lJhDf3 bXSQEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcd41XkDVAumJJanZqakFqUUwWSYOTqkGRkP2FW62 1ZtTVX/MNG93+2//3Uelmv/w1PtMzyuk7PJX5m3nUBFfs1F3Hdv1D39m8d5wO2zF/nfx/SnC AofUc/p4i9cfqPhn4rHrjlSy7ORXReI3UlIXZC+3aFVcs+2XZ/JhPnfp3zKPe7YEP9tvp5gY FbN4fZZ/le1x680hOSVb3Ip+hN/oV2Ipzkg01GIuKk4EADte6Hw0AgAA Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:04:55 -0000 Hi-- On Oct 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > This discussion skirts the critical issue - are files that are not open for writing endangered? No description of the uses of journaling can be considered informative if it doesn't address that explicitly. As a naive user I have always assumed that once closed, a file was invulnerable to improper shutdowns, but this discussion shakes that belief. Well, it's good to be a little paranoid if the data matters. :-) First, unless you call fsync() before close() and your OS and/or drive hardware isn't being deceptive when fsync() returns about whether the bits have made it to permanent storage, then you might be surprised at just how long the unwritten buffers containing the last updates to the file data take to get properly flushed to disk. > I expect the answer may be different for SSD and spinning disks. Second, this is an excellent point: however, it also applies to anything where the actual hardware block size does not match the device blocksize that the filesystem thinks it has-- so new "4K sector" rotational disks also have some risk. The basic issue with SSDs is that you (or the drive firmware, more precisely) need to read in an entire hardware sector, update the portion with changes in cache memory, do a bulk-erase of that block, and then scribble that back out. Good drive firmware actually writes out to a different block than the original for wear-leveling purposes and only updates the flash translation layer once the new version of that block is written. That makes the drive mostly immune to major data integrity issues even if powered off in the middle of the process. Less-than-good firmware, aka buggy firmware, can lead from power-failure to data loss of files which were not being modified at the time. And may you possess recent working backups if the FTL somehow ever gets confused! Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 22:21:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1238FB4 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 991D52C55 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:21:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay2.apple.com ([17.128.113.67]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MUO000HKJEXI0L1@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807143-b7fce6d000001c8e-93-525c6e5980db Received: from [17.153.98.163] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.98.163]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay2.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 30.7C.07310.95E6C525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: <20131014204125.6cc4a31e@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:21:17 -0700 Message-id: <89DF80F4-E426-4457-BDBF-958B1CBDB52F@mac.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> <20131014204125.6cc4a31e@gumby.homeunix.com> To: RW X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiODNpsW5kXkyQwd85uhYvv25isVh6azOL A5PHjE/zWTyeTpjMHsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJXx6GMTS8EXzoor8zUbGF+xdzFyckgImEhc eTOHCcIWk7hwbz1bFyMXh5BAL5PErid9LCAJZgEtiRv/XgIVcXDwCuhJbP8lBxIWFjCSuLJn BStImE1ATWLCRB6QMKeApcTfY3vAOlkEVCXeT5vLDDFFUWJH2xqoifIS29/OAYvzClhJPDm1 mwVi7QEWieMrpoPdJiKgLDGvdzkbxG2yEqfPPWeZwMg/C8lFsxAumoVk7AJG5lWMAkWpOYmV RnqJBQU5qXrJ+bmbGEHh1lDovIPx2DKrQ4wCHIxKPLw/eGOChFgTy4orcw8xSnAwK4nw5r6N DhLiTUmsrEotyo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTOu8YLqFogPbEkNTs1tSC1CCbLxMEp1cDoedhE5Eyt u/Ye95DVey9KMf7+/qj4cX6stlmVZ3TS3lUq3+zefdwuGT6hYOPSHK56G85d814kTvm/9blP b2XYSvMmLtNjXfKTg/81Pngdo7TQdqepY8e8+yaKU1y85vQY3p4aoLNw8r7NDNo+8cfKYrqT bqh97iqW3bHUqOsS61TPPn3nS9OUWIozEg21mIuKEwFIcKZ8MwIAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:21:19 -0000 On Oct 14, 2013, at 12:41 PM, RW wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: >> Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full >> timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. > > Journalling removes the need for the background fsck which only recovers > lost space. That and inode link changes (ie, adding or removing files from a directory). >> With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore >> the filesystem to an OK state, > > My understanding is that the journal does nothing to restore the > filesystem other than keep track of orphaned memory. In all other > respect it's the job of soft-updates to keep the filesystem in an OK > state. Yes, SU is supposed to reorder filesystem operations to provide some level of "ACID" transaction semantics-- and the journal helps that by avoiding the need for bgfsck. > When it doesn't you need a foreground check. > >> but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it >> usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. > > I think if the journal fails, you would really need to run at least a > foreground preen, maybe a full fsck. Yes. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 23:37:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFC53B7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77435201A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2809F27325 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:37:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <525C804D.9080200@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:37:49 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130516 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:37:58 -0000 On 10/13/13 17:38, Thomas Mueller wrote: > On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 32-bit version with (i386-)Wine? > > I plan to try that. Apparently that won't solve much. The primary issue now with watching flash movies is the drm - on linux it somehow uses hal and dbus, on windows it uses the registry. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 00:12:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606A0DAA for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1437421EA for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13359 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2013 01:04:20 -0000 Received: from pool-71-167-229-74.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@71.167.229.74) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2013 01:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 56017 invoked by uid 103); 14 Oct 2013 23:35:39 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 2013 23:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Warren Block on Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:12:14 -0000 On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > >> > >> What errors, exactly? > > > > Well, for example: > > > > portmaster -Faf > > it starts to fetch a bunch of files > > it finds a port which has been deleted, such as > > linux-base-fc4 > > and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted. > > terminating > > terminating > > terminating > > etc. > > That's correct. linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by > linux_base-f10. portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so > evidently it quits. I understand why portmaster quits that port. It does seem like a bit of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long gone. Seems like it could do the others. > If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to > be long. Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have > to be handled manually. Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in most cases. Best, Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 01:07:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4459E564 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:07:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com (mail-pa0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BAB224AD for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id kl14so8231445pab.39 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=w6QyqfduBIXkS61ZsYKAHTZ0o0HHQdr6GrfewSeLxJA=; b=KaCNeR9Vtha3POjP8NOK8llTHs9Fp6UXUciJV8rXqmCgnGex/qT+KdXEbBmqgRSKo0 N/ihYJDsYZP2r8wrzSL27HrsL6/9rOSB+DYKUXmKFnsIIeIhSqKsAFBrcRBGuEkuYgsw pNJZ4yG+of+mWW+Rlzp7rqhx+Kwng59ppcfSnHnj+hGlxL+GISXeaqf8VTEu5xT84sP6 O4bTKiaG4FQWmH1271Voqlds7kq8pRyAEEdc8qBIa5KIhVZ7mLRvfN1NTWt9ggivatAH VWt7ZM62fv3Uc7FhgWkOCqG6tFvcczeJQ1h8ojgOrsyRNaYgKckzeeBNizstoeZ50PI0 xQ4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.50.165 with SMTP id d5mr15444pbo.162.1381799234504; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:07:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:07:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports From: Adam Vande More To: Scott Ballantyne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:07:15 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > > I understand why portmaster quits that port. Because it has no choice. > It does seem like a bit > of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long > gone. Seems like it could do the others. > So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken linking and dependencies? Portupgrade will do this if you tell it. Try it out and see what fun you can create. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 01:35:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AC3815; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aurfalien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-x22a.google.com (mail-pb0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99733263F; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id un15so8101995pbc.15 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4aqPhesDAKSTUp5HB5ugZobBugI4xsGCSQy8HOY/b/4=; b=AN5fDgDie529dEEvl3hVUHE2tozZCRqfgVXUXGYAdlAq7Wcu27Dhe0Pt0Hkwb2S2xn p53iTv+SDZnl8klLuBV9sy0ltWttADzvbNoP1CnEi2EFU2+MiH87kMvwHY1L3uFG2O6m jDDm5fVkC6ZVqfKuMAtVi9kB4u4YQNces0GItXeif+mINHg9hIeGebPSX8IRvlhWvjkI FeyzbNN1Lwzrvaf+wzKjt+Ix/OAlkYtD4feoX3pE052DatrauMRGyamXR8ByoIfFZRRb NPa0BHPVqvYw18niVVTE6tnXe6qPEQHfj1ui9gaR+lNfDp20Csfk3rX/YV85AUmeWZxy goVw== X-Received: by 10.68.103.67 with SMTP id fu3mr103132pbb.169.1381800939331; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from briankrusicw.logan.tv ([64.17.255.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lm2sm94727906pab.2.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: aurfalien In-Reply-To: <1381600575.18393.33219025.5D7B78D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:37 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8CA809B3-1692-4760-A63F-9D7451EB49BD@gmail.com> References: <1381600575.18393.33219025.5D7B78D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Mark Felder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:35:39 -0000 On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my Mac >> faster then my PC" kind of email. >> >> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. >> > > It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for > those HBAs? Upon doing this; sysctl -a | grep mps I get this; dev.mps.0.driver_version: 14.00.00.01-fbsd LSIs site mentions the latest drives at being 17.00.00.00 I'll go ahead and install the latest to see what happens. Whats the best way to do this, I assume build it and load via loader.conf? - aurf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 01:51:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B6EBF2 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7288F26FA for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9F1p5YU091856; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:51:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9F1p4Qr091853; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:51:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Scott Ballantyne Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports In-Reply-To: <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Message-ID: References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:51:06 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: >> >>>> >>>> What errors, exactly? >>> >>> Well, for example: >>> >>> portmaster -Faf >>> it starts to fetch a bunch of files >>> it finds a port which has been deleted, such as >>> linux-base-fc4 >>> and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted. >>> terminating >>> terminating >>> terminating >>> etc. >> >> That's correct. linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by >> linux_base-f10. portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so >> evidently it quits. > > I understand why portmaster quits that port. It does seem like a bit > of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long > gone. Seems like it could do the others. Some of them. It could not update any ports that depend on missing ports, which conflicts with the "-a" meaning "all". >> If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to >> be long. Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have >> to be handled manually. > > Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, > and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to > day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', > not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have > been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in > most cases. I think it does handle renamed ports. Whether the ones it does not handle are due to missing functionality or because they are difficult or impossible to handle, don't know. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 03:24:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA9077D for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01D672B65 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15832 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2013 04:16:46 -0000 Received: from pool-71-167-229-74.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@71.167.229.74) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2013 04:16:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 58186 invoked by uid 103); 15 Oct 2013 02:48:05 -0000 Date: 15 Oct 2013 02:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20131015024805.58185.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Adam Vande More on Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:07:14 -0500) Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:24:33 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > > > It does seem like a bit > > of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long > > gone. Seems like it could do the others. > > > > So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken > linking and dependencies? Portupgrade will do this if you tell it. Try it > out and see what fun you can create. > Not a single program on my system depended on that program being rebuilt. Portmaster should certainly refuse to rebuild anything that did, of course. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 03:26:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCF182C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 903712B7C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15867 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2013 04:18:33 -0000 Received: from pool-71-167-229-74.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@71.167.229.74) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2013 04:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 60701 invoked by uid 103); 15 Oct 2013 02:49:52 -0000 Date: 15 Oct 2013 02:49:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20131015024952.60700.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Warren Block on Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:51:04 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:26:19 -0000 On Mon 14 Oct 2013 Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > >> > > > > Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, > > and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to > > day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', > > not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have > > been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in > > most cases. > > I think it does handle renamed ports. Whether the ones it does not > handle are due to missing functionality or because they are difficult or > impossible to handle, don't know. Such was not my experience, Warren. And actually, a google search while I was trying to solve this turned up many reports of the same problem over the past years. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 03:45:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA1ACAF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-x22f.google.com (mail-pd0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21FB32C85 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id q10so8221296pdj.20 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XBVNit0kqWAXvza3ppZMwtZsJFOFDs8ioESjZqY6U5M=; b=Yy+l4L5BScSMkoJvDmQXsqEo8X+GhyA0quGMLA9ZtkFqWXSuQPrnvaISb5+POUOABI jIgtvzmXok+MHFVggfFUMPf57xFuobIBDWrzlFYkpOdGbnL5IGk2q60zaaeuUu/wzifc mO5bHmno9b3dRAAHMdHlNTpoQ/p+mNt4A5IetBexUfyuUOEKFpf7WdtBC7yWbmfaoZtr s+mqi74VTro1cpcYTe8fEuaGyaoD+DO5BzpyhvxSW6+8EkSQ2fayvMpYAbcw2btddoxe yzLcbM7Y74fLEquo8YRMqx1nq/Ytr6hDlVve7caH9im7o01Fe7Ut4fxMFUIISr8X+uCW K/EA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.253.67 with SMTP id zy3mr6393220pbc.137.1381808713713; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:45:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131015024805.58185.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131015024805.58185.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports From: Adam Vande More To: Scott Ballantyne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:45:14 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > Adam Vande More wrote: > > > > > It does seem like a bit > > > of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long > > > gone. Seems like it could do the others. > > > > > > > So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with > broken > > linking and dependencies? Portupgrade will do this if you tell it. Try > it > > out and see what fun you can create. > > > > Not a single program on my system depended on that program being > rebuilt. And what about libs it may have left behind and other ports picking up faulty info? Then you build unsupported and faultly packages and complain to the list when something doesn't work. Just follow /usr/ports/UPDATING as advised instead of your "shortcuts". > Portmaster should certainly refuse to rebuild anything that > did, of course. Exactly what it did. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 03:57:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5584CF71 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip.freeauditreport@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-x24d.google.com (mail-qe0-x24d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::24d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19D9A2D17 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f77.google.com with SMTP id 6so34615qeb.0 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:57:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; 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-0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:07:48 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: UPS buying suggestion From: yudi v To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:07:51 -0000 I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver n40l, it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. I am looking at APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS 3112 is that supported by apcupsd? (already tried apcupsd mailing list, there was no response, hence asking here) If not, please recommend one that is supported. The HP server has a 150W PSU and the UPS is rated at 400Watts, and it comes with USB monitoring support. Also, how to measure exact power consumption by a device? -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 05:21:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF222822 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CE9621A8 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id eh20so6425431lab.18 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:21:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ySTgl0R/qSrEiT/2urgNx8aA4H+UuT8GWmryAJXVFP4=; b=uWB0Q5EI5OX44aNC1/7746THWBjYODaxW6SOnbqTzR/rxmtDaByeFosJARCy+t3NQw FfvnRJyvJczYYT7lTuA20a377zMEGSjjaNpzYhIgbQae2D163GjcToyAZ5hV202FLxJp UTrzshWg+OJsBuiRwjt1FdXD67Qr3K6ygvxLtOr32YcWhdVLChy1Pslm3imaUNsnNZvZ xjX3Zkz6sAI19E3n74o24quFeBIvy5JCi3/+Ohuf3yPLx0EccPhK8+WLo8KDwWwU+EFG XjDFyaRv32zmc8JrPPXRZHl6wTspdvy+xTazViBgkqu9lE8E+c5jTuqp7YgjnTUSU8st R8nQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.8.12 with SMTP id n12mr34194134laa.10.1381814503521; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:21:43 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Dropbox alternative From: yudi v To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:21:46 -0000 Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep my files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a copy on an external party's server. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 05:22:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553938DC for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x233.google.com (mail-lb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F6E21C3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x18so6521754lbi.10 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZKlhCfhIgr2td68Vi5y8H6vvjb1H/kOUPU+LKH3qS4U=; b=kN4kL8AfMWbvWd+72nX4ibhuflu4FzmjOMY/VwdmTa4sF9bx4q/3uvSnP/Fck6z3Fg 8zzuV2iv8v7gBlRi7wymGpIrlT6tV1KWp1hC3o/UrYhzsZWUkbU3CLdWtT0SqPHJvq7k ZypaYuzqkG833DjbuEyaYDKQtETzDDJN+Ppex6XpTgltFad2HP94dkpFKgve4TKHl/C7 uxRuiGWUg403oDKZuHl5WULGe2AQk/ZIolB4W6KlThx0PfGRbskGSRxfOur7Fa0E0LMn Rkl8Zf/B3XOvYMp5BZz1SpMSzHBJ/0P+VOvmpRrW7WgPNYUriRYcjDY9u3goZWwNvCdp 2cRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.235.3 with SMTP id ui3mr51544lbc.44.1381814574776; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:22:54 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: suggestions for a backup solution From: yudi v To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:22:57 -0000 I am setting up a FreeBSD back-up server with zfs two way mirror. I want to back up only data files from a Linux machine and a Windows PC. Bacula seems like an overly complex option. What's the most efficient and simple solution to backup just the data files from both windows and linux machines to the server. Another option is to run samba on the BSD server and just use windows backup and rsync for Linux. Any interesting suggestions? -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 05:28:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC03B67 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihamina@rktmb.org) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DF712225 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter28-d.gandi.net (mfilter28-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.159]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB0417208B for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:28:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter28-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter28-d.gandi.net (mfilter28-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50acf4NJa1Si for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:28:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 41.188.46.121 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [41.188.46.121]) (Authenticated sender: out@rktmb.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C2A4172097 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:28:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <525CD28E.2010103@rktmb.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:28:46 +0300 From: Mihamina RKTMB Organization: RKTMB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:28:55 -0000 On 10/15/2013 08:21 AM, yudi v wrote: > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep my > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a copy > on an external party's server. We use Alfresco for that purpose. It's heavy , but we are 350 people with Androids, iThings, Unices & Windows. -- +261 34 81 738 69 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 05:31:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EB5C3C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8E5A226C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 883153CA45; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9F5UmeH001969; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Charles Swiger Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-Id: <20131015073048.83d7bca4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:31:04 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:45 -0700, Charles Swiger wrote: > First, unless you call fsync() before close() and your OS > and/or drive hardware isn't being deceptive when fsync() > returns about whether the bits have made it to permanent > storage, then you might be surprised at just how long the > unwritten buffers containing the last updates to the file > data take to get properly flushed to disk. The problem here is that it's hard to _predict_ the time needed to actually finish the desired writing operation. The library function will interact with the kernel, the kernel with the file system driver, which in turn will address the storage subsystem, which will address the hard disk driver to tell the disk what to do. Then the disk will also take some time to perform that operation. I assume unless you have a system in place that explcitely expects a "receipt" from the disk up through all those layers that the data has been stored, you can't fully be sure. So even if you call fsync() and immediately after this a power outage occurs, the disk might not have been noticed... Unmounting a disk will usually make sure all remaining buffers have been written. Given the previously described stack of involved layers, it might still be good to be a little bit paranoid regarding this assumption. :-) Your characterization of the inner workings of a SSD (and how efficient its firmware is implemented) stengthens this belief. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 05:38:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAFAD77 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (uk1rly2283-a.eechost.net [217.69.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724CA22E5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VVxJl-0004Xx-Di for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:37:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VVxKv-000GuZ-LU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:38:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:38:29 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf Message-Id: <20131015063829.74fc0419bd5cf29533bbc015@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:38:35 -0000 Hi, That doesn't really tell me anything. The golden rule of performance tuning is measurement, work out what it is you want to optimise, find a way to measure it and then start tuning changing one thing at a time and testing for improvement at each stage. You can short cut this process if you are tuning for a specific well known workload and you can lean on experience in that workload (ie. if you're aiming to build a web server good for small static files at thousands per second, or a file server streaming raw HD video over SMB or ...). If your just running a desktop machine for a bit of web browsing, email and the like then leave well alone. On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:22:44 +0200 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I use it as a paticular desktop PC. Well, if you need more details about > it, please, let me know. > What do you think about current tuning? > > Thanks > --CJPM > > > 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > > > Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake > > I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste > > error :) > > > > % cat /etc/sysctl.conf > > # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z > > # mux $ > > # > > # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped > > # thru ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for > > # details. > > # > > > > # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about > > # processes > > that > > # are being run under another UID. > > #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 > > vfs.usermount=1 > > hw.snd.default_unit=2 > > kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 > > kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 > > kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 > > kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 > > kern.maxfiles=65536 > > kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 > > net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 > > net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 > > net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 > > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 > > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 > > net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 > > net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 > > net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 > > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 > > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 > > net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 > > net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 > > net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 > > net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 > > net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 > > net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 > > net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 > > net.inet.ip.random_id=1 > > > > # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. > > vm.max_wired=524288 > > > > > > > > 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > > > >> Hi people, > >> > >> I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the > >> specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials > >> [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning > >> with sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it > >> with other examples or experienced users. > >> > >> Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) > >> variables. > >> > >> % uname -a > >> FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 > >> 03:52:52 UTC 2013 > >> root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > >> > >> % dmesg | grep CPU > >> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) > >> cpu0: on acpi0 > >> p4tcc0: on cpu0 > >> > >> % dmesg | grep memory > >> real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) > >> avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) > >> > >> % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet > >> 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 > >> rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 > >> 42- vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' > >> 43: device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' > >> 44- class = network > >> 45- subclass = ethernet > >> > >> My /etc/sysctl.conf > >> > >> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z > >> # mux > >> $ > >> # > >> # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped > >> # thru ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for > >> # details. > >> # > >> > >> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about > >> # processes > >> that > >> # are being run under another UID. > >> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 > >> vfs.usermount=1 > >> hw.snd.default_unit=2 > >> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 > >> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 > >> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 > >> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 > >> kern.maxfiles=65536 > >> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 > >> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 > >> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 > >> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 > >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 > >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 > >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 > >> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 > >> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 > >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 > >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 > >> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 > >> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 > >> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 > >> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 > >> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 > >> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 > >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 > >> net.inet.ip.random_id=1 > >> > >> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel > >> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. > >> vm.max_wired=524288 > >> > >> I will appreciate any input about the subject. > >> --CJPM > >> > >> [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html > >> [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING > >> [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning > >> [4] > >> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 06:00:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502D92DB for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaron@aaronkaufman.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 190D62427 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l20so4325756oag.3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=gvmBSTLZKwPQ8vYbNVdgsR/ZE69fZhqNOCWYfunOjFE=; b=jYBWJ0N72vryFHGMKXeG3xwj6gwfJOjceplnAOXFCjGnCSyGxHKvvlQ4IrSJofVpdf QKQKu+Xh2z4MwOFVlT+Rz0ElmQBladPeLifKLV34SeASHWYGA+RWmBF6lMLt7+hY1He4 JMvhiWYaPb3z9rQibVc+XItBuk8cN36Y7lYEnfDpg3uJGU2IE7y56lW651FMIswINL3f Z2a7swxCwHmISoDse3oa3KiOJmXjCpRtH24G/ijzAV0ZclGhj7MSsU4u84PSslmAVoOX nFgJo2aGH8m4TPYx5Ie6TRWc4o1j4puW7cPEGKiPKbyC6TvyF1jt2eTpEgba24NDpgbb oPHg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnGU8W1acfmt9MXVlWlh71ecm6kBJAIrRLJt2e7rjBVKXUZwKPJrcF8t45bEwizTnrM5sR/ X-Received: by 10.60.51.196 with SMTP id m4mr31308345oeo.1.1381816799571; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchorage.sysadm.co (anchorage.sysadm.co. [64.31.16.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm8057617obo.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:59:56 -0700 From: Aaron Kaufman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative Message-ID: <20131015055955.GA6341@anchorage.sysadm.co> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:00:06 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take a look at BitTorrent Sync. It might be what you are looking for.=20 http://blog.bittorrent.com/2013/05/29/bittorrent-sync-is-now-available-for-= freebsd/ Aaron On 3:21:43PM, yudi v wrote: > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep = my > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a co= py > on an external party's server. >=20 > --=20 > Kind regards, > Yudi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSXNnXAAoJEDnKOVcbLE91CpcP/2UdcvFJiakWrDFC0XRGycai htkCLJvfnAXmJET/dy+6t2I54J5ufklFeDJKown3VULrbmt9mbyvNsijrdv1NZF5 41AeIOORJTYK3mWCR3wr35Mh7hXhg3Tavp2gHkqvYUtfPD7SjxUQHHELzJTvkmVI 1qpiOWIyyQl690pf4KuJnHqdrJZsSgqi1fKNntCIampvIPwxlUgc6r/0s8OTuK5Q gSnVptixSCyBECj1qiZSFd/Pqe1Cz1jIbTEdT8G4QFTGWx+hP/ArpHB3sZkl96KO fNPrsKOw7/70WwSJSxTtHWWg33ImOXMedKvLAwwIV4OfuH+qYqgIUthM/ZFrsyJD Fa6DZnhaXHFzWgX8IqMcrmCbfHrpMsUlzqbJZZLno+Up9kgzV67iKFaoQUq3+mT1 KWXvLSas/i4UdI1n/ZVbuGssKs3HAOEgE+5H+vFavw0FS6S3DgsD+aJyP8kX7nII Eg41L61tJ1wMJ4ipA5E6hhCds6Q9UMoZdMNGiIHYyXQaVX4fA3Tp06wTa5yQM9VT ULrHmdYcptaVCAhyY+Pp5oVWkTd8lRdgV65yY/iIzbLLwYhoekjDRvp4fAwOf4l9 jM3BlfrBUL4we4dmOZlVF14FH+iOUwcrphrQzWGurEj9gX5CVFO/BaqAuInCXLrd Q62hZmt5ph0ExBRVd2bK =vdY8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 06:45:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AA6DC6 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F0D22650 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:45:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Rgp3k7AbtGWTZ8HIbl34NqPXMxmZsI0sr5FxsIbht4M=; b=l0TACMUT5cmQl7MKWGOIxfZ7SvEanVLU/JbEbtriheOlWj32hduPopyR6xmulrrMs6B2Or+Jmvy0ATJpJOXuO81vw1xPZxU09l593vhayV9ZlfiOxr3NaDgfOB20C3RdeoR2ZKrEfvCXMIHCLI4e9efHs2/B/WKrGP5S5MT7sfw=; Received: from [182.0.242.251] (port=29440 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VVxUf-003bX4-C6; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:48:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:48:26 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: yudi v Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:45:49 -0000 On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:07:48 +1000 yudi v wrote: > I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver > n40l, > it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. > > I am looking at > APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS > 3112 > > is that supported by apcupsd? (already tried apcupsd mailing list, > there was no response, hence asking here) > If not, please recommend one that is supported. > > The HP server has a 150W PSU and the UPS is rated at 400Watts, and it > comes with USB monitoring support. > yes, but it does not tell you how long the UPS will be able to support the 400W. It sounds to me that > Also, how to measure exact power consumption by a device? As you need the current anyway, I would use an ampere meter to determine the exact current drawn. I got already some surprises there. I would sugggest an UPS above 1000VA. I have currently this in use: http://www.ablerex.com.sg/sm_business.html#1500l I also have an APC in use: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BX1100CI&total_watts=200 I would say that the Ablerex beats the APS in all aspects but battery quality. The advantage of the Ablerex is that you can use off-the-shelve batteries. My wife runs her hair dryer regularon the Ablerex for some weird reasons. The hair dryer is rated 10A. The APC starts to panic and shuts down without the circuit breaker dropping. My APC is very sensitive. When the local power supply has a bad day, it can happen that it switches several time a minute to batteries. One other aspect might be the noise. The APC runs me crazy even if I have to be in the room very shortly. Can you go into a shop and see/hear the UPS in action? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:06:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BC6415 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juris.kaminskis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADAC12789 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ez12so1048580wid.5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:06:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OvvYQQobv8uQbXyAeU0L9F9bXRJearB2QYjv0WLCyp4=; b=RwxOrXFw32yKpw9ZwMWxOc+kEPCPafNaSIfJP5PMHw7hzidGNStvQC311vcJ+HF24o jqAj9BL3TixpVMpFgNZYKutJ2Z8HB+EVI4CrBGZkp+k9bPwEfdcfJK0o6fDe0kxfLoZH mV0TQBnK2FGM8wh/ggUrThD/3ADLy7+fFhI8Vp2gDruqwHvvCFg5pRSd7jYwm8ABCr1D BTf7POBQv4IHMx7svy4uYMpiJhdBE61X6vMRnJiab7W1QNFJG1kJvcjTXMZ+pRLIWD/c KvsZxQYacerd1Qk6rEVPssXFgIBoLiRpAR65XEg32NnHMrrCIf5Goe7pJyVMJ6EtHN/m T8qg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.23.73 with SMTP id k9mr34143795wjf.24.1381820806103; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.185.101 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:06:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:06:46 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Neither webkit-gtk2 or webkit-gtk3 builds on my machine From: Juris Kaminskis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:06:48 -0000 Hello Was trying to send this message to freebsd-gnome, but probably it is more related to freebsd-questions. I have built freebsd-current and want to install webkit-gtk2. My uname -a FreeBSD station 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #0 r256063: Sat Oct 5 23:04:45 EEST 2013 root@station:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 When I try to compile and adding in /etc/make.conf MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE I get build error any help? Execute: '(cd /usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/webkit-1.8.3; if ! /usr/bin/env SHELL=/bin/sh NO_LINT=YES LIBTOOL=/usr/local/bin/libtool LIBTOOLIZE=/usr/local/bin/libtoolize LIBTOOL_LIBEXECDIR=/usr/local/libexec/libtool LIBTOOL_SHAREDIR=/usr/local/share/libtool LIBTOOL_M4=/usr/local/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 LTMAIN=/usr/local/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh GI_SCANNER_DISABLE_CACHE=1 PREFIX=/usr/local LOCALBASE=/usr/local LIBDIR="/usr/lib" CC="cc" CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing" CPP="cpp" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include -Wno-c++11-extensions" LDFLAGS=" -L/usr/local/lib" CXX="c++" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing" MANPREFIX="/usr/local" BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM="install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_LIB="install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444" BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT="install -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_DATA="install -o root -g wheel -m 444" BSD_INSTALL_MAN="install -o root -g wheel -m 444" gmake -f GNUmakefile DESTDIR=/usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/stage all; then if [ -n "" ] ; then echo "===> Compilation failed unexpectedly."; (echo "") | /usr/bin/fmt 75 79 ; fi; false; fi)' + cd /usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/webkit-1.8.3 + /usr/bin/env SHELL=/bin/sh NO_LINT=YES LIBTOOL=/usr/local/bin/libtool LIBTOOLIZE=/usr/local/bin/libtoolize LIBTOOL_LIBEXECDIR=/usr/local/libexec/libtool LIBTOOL_SHAREDIR=/usr/local/share/libtool LIBTOOL_M4=/usr/local/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 LTMAIN=/usr/local/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh GI_SCANNER_DISABLE_CACHE=1 PREFIX=/usr/local LOCALBASE=/usr/local LIBDIR=/usr/lib CC=cc 'CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing' CPP=cpp 'CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include -Wno-c++11-extensions' 'LDFLAGS= -L/usr/local/lib' CXX=c++ 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing' MANPREFIX=/usr/local 'BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM=install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555' 'BSD_INSTALL_LIB=install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444' 'BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT=install -o root -g wheel -m 555' 'BSD_INSTALL_DATA=install -o root -g wheel -m 444' 'BSD_INSTALL_MAN=install -o root -g wheel -m 444' gmake -f GNUmakefile DESTDIR=/usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/stage all /usr/bin/ld: warning: libpixman-1.so.9, needed by /usr/local/lib/ libpangocairo-1.0.so, may conflict with libpixman-1.so.30 ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::basic_streambuf()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::ios_base::getloc() const' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::basic_string(std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator > const&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::ios_base::imbue(std::__1::locale const&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::append(char const*, unsigned long)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::xsputn(char const*, long)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::__basic_string_common::__throw_length_error() const' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::locale::use_facet(std::__1::locale::id&) const' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::sentry::sentry(std::__1::basic_ostream >&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::locale::operator=(std::__1::locale const&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::~basic_ostream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::operator<<(float)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::sentry::~sentry()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::push_back(char)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::assign(char const*)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::uflow()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::~basic_ostream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::locale::locale(char const*)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::~basic_ostream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::setbuf(char*, long)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::imbue(std::__1::locale const&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::~basic_string()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::sync()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::__basic_string_common::__throw_out_of_range() const' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::append(char const*)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::__vector_base_common::__throw_length_error() const' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::resize(unsigned long, char)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `virtual thunk to std::__1::basic_istream >::~basic_istream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::locale::~locale()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_istream >::operator>>(double&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::ios_base::clear(unsigned int)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ostream >::operator<<(int)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::__init(unsigned long, char)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::operator=(std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator > const&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_istream >::~basic_istream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `virtual thunk to std::__1::basic_ostream >::~basic_ostream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_ios >::~basic_ios()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `void std::__1::__sort&, unsigned int*>(unsigned int*, unsigned int*, std::__1::__less&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::xsgetn(char*, long)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::showmanyc()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_istream >::~basic_istream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::locale::locale(std::__1::locale const&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::ios_base::init(void*)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `void std::__1::__sort&, int*>(int*, int*, std::__1::__less&)' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_istream >::~basic_istream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `virtual thunk to std::__1::basic_istream >::~basic_istream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_streambuf >::~basic_streambuf()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::ctype::id' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `virtual thunk to std::__1::basic_ostream >::~basic_ostream()' ./.libs/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to `std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >::__init(char const*, unsigned long)' cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) gmake[3]: *** [Programs/unittests/testapplicationcache] Error 1 gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 + [ -n '' ] + false *** Failed target: do-build *** Failed command: (cd /usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/webkit-1.8.3; if ! /usr/bin/env SHELL=/bin/sh NO_LINT=YES LIBTOOL=/usr/local/bin/libtool LIBTOOLIZE=/usr/local/bin/libtoolize LIBTOOL_LIBEXECDIR=/usr/local/libexec/libtool LIBTOOL_SHAREDIR=/usr/local/share/libtool LIBTOOL_M4=/usr/local/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 LTMAIN=/usr/local/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh GI_SCANNER_DISABLE_CACHE=1 PREFIX=/usr/local LOCALBASE=/usr/local LIBDIR="/usr/lib" CC="cc" CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing" CPP="cpp" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include -Wno-c++11-extensions" LDFLAGS=" -L/usr/local/lib" CXX="c++" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing" MANPREFIX="/usr/local" BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM="install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_LIB="install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444" BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT="install -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_DATA="install -o root -g wheel -m 444" BSD_INSTALL_MAN="install -o root -g wheel -m 444" gmake -f GNUmakefile DESTDIR=/usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/stage all; then if [ -n "" ] ; then echo "===> Compilation failed unexpectedly."; (echo "") | /usr/bin/fmt 75 79 ; fi; false; fi) Global:.ERROR_TARGET = do-build Applying[MAKE_PRINT_VAR_ON_ERROR] :@ to "" Modifier pattern: "v" Modifier pattern: "$v='${$v}' " Result[MAKE_PRINT_VAR_ON_ERROR] of :@ is "" *** Failed target: install *** Failed command: cd /usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3 && make CONFIG_DONE_WEBKIT=1 /usr/ports/www/webkit-gtk3/work/.install_done.webkit._usr_local Global:.ERROR_TARGET = install Applying[MAKE_PRINT_VAR_ON_ERROR] :@ to "" Modifier pattern: "v" Modifier pattern: "$v='${$v}' " Result[MAKE_PRINT_VAR_ON_ERROR] of :@ is "" -------------------- i have upgraded all ports, everything is ok, pkgdb -F does not give any errors and is succesfull thanks juris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:14:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client 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a look at BitTorrent Sync. > I should have mentioned that I am after something that's open sourced. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:16:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8AF687 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF07D281A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id eo20so6433261lab.20 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:16:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oGPMjQYHmB/CAj+rVCORGVWwHXihbb60pFUybz/0E84=; b=B5Opsvg8dEImAURJHrrOkJEm3mpLWd0V8aWgh/AKyx5VNVZ7DQ9ibiAOjFiZNAYSfa hxj+OASS7l1pAGFilh0kdBcf1GRqnWttfciWPtwlqyOtpVxe8vdi4p0YUyNcqkKw7Dit DxNfNN5JviKO/uBxqjwkPa6G0Tq2fyhek1l37icy1mbHH1viRJCm0qx3j41IVx5rzvY0 0AJ8VeeRdAKPsJMrisBzy3DvrGSp0pcBZRyBXuIPTVDjJ+wMzZKtYuKEVUcCyPC8L0Ke wAZQyCyqO8M8ZOHYFfBxzNz+8+nHRqQkpkJjGB8OgmUL8pQPWN12bVY3DoOAGPS1tWQs TN2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.116.7 with SMTP id js7mr34498200lab.11.1381821388910; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:16:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:16:28 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: yudi v To: Kurt Buff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:16:31 -0000 Probably the easiest way: Get an in-line wattmeter (something like > this: > http://www.amazon.com/Arbor-Scientific-P4400-Kill-Meter/dp/B001JHGY2Q) > and monitor it. > > Kurt > I was looking at one of those, nifty little things. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:35:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465E292A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with 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10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:35:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:35:04 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: yudi v To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:35:07 -0000 yes, but it does not tell you how long the UPS will be able to support > the 400W. It sounds to me that > I only need it to shutdown the system cleanly, so I am guessing less than 5mins is more than enough. > As you need the current anyway, I would use an ampere meter to > determine the exact current drawn. I got already some surprises there. > > I would sugggest an UPS above 1000VA. I have currently this in use: > > > I think 1000VA is overkill for a little server, I am going to get this power monitor and see what the exact numbers are and then decide. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:45:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB696E0B for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-x241.google.com (mail-oa0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7866629E1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f65.google.com with SMTP id n12so91874oag.0 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t1Lf5VjtGdCTfEvlTbff0SGjotWx4qvGUp38QPxbTY4=; b=NeUZ1/gLpXQkSp58yDOKUHQp2PVysSW/aIQU0dC7kVO/ZaUhTnj9WcECksj2nSyPN3 2FAJ9onXQcHAJPqU+KVKifLdkIucmAYiDvlvJKcCc5vz2B1w3AglygTuGv902b1Ijywb MPyWGZ5I/DHnMzO6eB7cyqp2OOWG+e7n/L8U1eGZP39KogjKad/wM/0DVZ2ywb1AGxMX 6BKu0/o/9xB0Kals0ncxD/q+Mimk8gfx13Gslb/LQzwXX4gfOJNHDnUFuFfrPHK5p6xU HQIrNYWCnJRrQMnjQOMGMANttekd8xnb7dtaGwcLX617dVftPp5n+3zK9kDB3GnNiVKw FTsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.227.136 with SMTP id sa8mr5693274obc.39.1381823158762; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:45:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014082916.294dce0f@scorpio> References: <20131014082916.294dce0f@scorpio> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:45:58 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DEFAULT_VERSIONS= From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:45:59 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/10/14 Jerry > Has the "DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3D" been extended to include ports other than > python=3D2.7 python2=3D2.7 python3=3D3.3 perl5=3D5.18 ruby=3D2.0 tcltk=3D= 8.6 as > presently shown in UPDATING? Are their plans to extend it to ports like > db6, mysql56\*, etcetera? > > -- > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:47:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00266EAF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x244.google.com (mail-ob0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C13B629F2 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f196.google.com with SMTP id wp18so92181obc.3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:47:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BDwqN/SYqFn57IM2fHeDegsBf4vmBDcm+I37qKirFRY=; b=en1py8Qio/LIkgqG3QmdKfcR4KW5sNpX/8BjI5OHgJNZrEtpW0Va13JAiLh+6NYpgi TUI42pgc0gZPP3XRUArxIk+mtyXAR4VGFWYwKy4Yc1nBN5vROG0WPAxgEi9slPwwsEkT d4Ap4BDlbMFemRKIqJ7BDj5TtgwUXNZEHT64RE+suBgTtbSgvcm13PHnH82mDwpEj4Uv qH8MCA2EBvvogutKXWIBh0/5J6JIyusCBcWepvGnEc+kf76vn7AiGfss5+tbHJAFWvZv P4IST1jCUq+WVTy2gUylNu2pwEFR1Zwg2pXCpADV3uhWQsPz2Ddi4bjoh0DxmssrpE65 /J0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.227.136 with SMTP id sa8mr5696880obc.39.1381823223036; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:47:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014082916.294dce0f@scorpio> References: <20131014082916.294dce0f@scorpio> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:47:02 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DEFAULT_VERSIONS= From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:47:04 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/10/14 Jerry > Has the "DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3D" been extended to include ports other than > python=3D2.7 python2=3D2.7 python3=3D3.3 perl5=3D5.18 ruby=3D2.0 tcltk=3D= 8.6 as > presently shown in UPDATING? Are their plans to extend it to ports like > db6, mysql56\*, etcetera? > > -- > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 07:51:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEB51B8 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-x241.google.com (mail-oa0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC10B2A46 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f65.google.com with SMTP id n12so93112oag.8 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:51:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ykZA1Go0QL6Vu0UtEOb3WJ9RGDGu5/6jW4hPY/+UEts=; b=uqJqvQqKELdQdZJ4Qsq5ju5fuhx7MCwOffJzTK5hq3Hu4tCEzYxL0Uw8uvtLf9kSSp vAg991keiY6/zPLrvxmTtAOidxnuHBtpTxJ4E+pz2Nvg0zbczQvE4n9fj/89v/ouC6IA UWjGor5VysZuNa94ZTgtCLpw7QIS01xqolzmw7ADbbMY7ErFSqfwpgzGJvT+42Hg0Meu 6uIrRw8hBaBJY+wpQr/jAYKv+5WucM2wSBHQwQ8e1cpE2Y6kXqtBfGHxZIWbPj863vPL XPqvPFtuoUhEq9KPWnoE6AOwGxRb//C8NCtykGiy0dAJTT8atFbKR1mltkEGWnreCAmA gkvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.44.134 with SMTP id e6mr32144043obm.14.1381823510332; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:51:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:51:50 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:51:51 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/10/13 Carmel > I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G > Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has > ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I > couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, > the unit is basically useless. > > I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS > < > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-October/062543.= html > > > dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to > I need to insure that this is > a "SmartUPS" The unit I am looking at does not qualify. > > I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I > intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. > > -- > Carmel =E2=9C=8C > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 08:34:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B24A5D for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E14192C9E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:34:44 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=VR3zsZ6K/E2XKjzHjkksfkq13tRAS/RxRbRPOGZWvuI=; b=aYkwPs7iIjlRdzHAkFgyKMSwiLWoZzuKLjbByX0m/XF5n9+fdEB2gntgmXDEcA+b+zptkiqp7BeelGxeymQxM2hfGDs5SVVrX5GFr4Fdcjvqds8jThnFTiD7/7i1eXK0zSh2PRocHS30l6kVPisDj+6Slt5FKE6102clWuDjFwA=; Received: from [182.0.242.251] (port=48069 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VW05S-000513-0N; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 02:34:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:34:34 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: yudi v Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131015163434.5834988c@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:34:45 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:35:04 +1000 yudi v wrote: > yes, but it does not tell you how long the UPS will be able to support > > > the 400W. It sounds to me that > > > > I only need it to shutdown the system cleanly, so I am guessing less > than 5mins is more than enough. this should work but interrupts the current work. I live and work in a region where short power failures are normal. Shutting down for them would create to much of an interruption. > > > > As you need the current anyway, I would use an ampere meter to > > determine the exact current drawn. I got already some surprises > > there. > > > > I would sugggest an UPS above 1000VA. I have currently this in use: > > > > > > I think 1000VA is overkill for a little server, I am going to get > > this > power monitor > and > see what the exact numbers are and then decide. > > Read about the 'power factor'. The power meter will show you the actual W consumed by the device but not the VA that your UPS will have to deliver. This does normally not really matter except when you come close to the limits of the device supplying the electricity. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 08:35:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ED0AEF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:35:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x230.google.com (mail-qa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88D5B2CA7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id k4so2065209qaq.14 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:35:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vuMsPN28QM8eLNQ4wmzYkKgsMl13fcVdJBf0v2kkc/s=; b=CFXX75AUDzDjBfmYxXimK/ieTKFCZUWY1Q7Qb9BsPPCcKC+uPe78vG2zFtX88wdo4y +6TmdvQBCkTZoYAK/N0unN7d9VotmxfMAQIIswWxKYYuvLoLiWgyf5FyG0Fonp691Xre tIXp3GcaFjl2F6ckDlFmxyUOsBEQDmQCytLejnSmCVvcl7IMMUAX7HThcJg17ZjlQCdL nKGVEAZ4Tn8mZ3bcaG7kBddJAd29XMhL8vTS5+3Jw+NCr4VbJeCeL0ZyFHqhWNCTsdPZ +F2cKMfOeHPgD9NFmCG9RpAhWnX6l/0eRDXHFRem08gVJc6rvDoCeRynGhu2oZ2vT45E tUWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.127.195 with SMTP id ni3mr44005080qeb.21.1381826101736; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.55.77 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:35:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:35:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tunnelling between Cisco and Freebsd From: krad To: Monah Baki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:35:02 -0000 check the tunnel status as when i create on by default its not up # ifconfig gre0 gre0: flags=9010 metric 0 mtu 1476 nd6 options=21 to fix # ifconfig gre0 up # ifconfig gre0 gre0: flags=9011 metric 0 mtu 1476 inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:fe7d:7332%gre0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 nd6 options=21 If you still have issues, you may need to specify the public ip on the tunnel config. I seem to remember having to do this years ago with some gif tunnels, but it may well be wrong now, maybe someone else can comment on this eg ifconfig gre0 tunnel 107.48.4.129 187.255.253.1 You might have to bind the public ip to your loopback to make this work. On 13 October 2013 21:25, Monah Baki wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running FreeBSD 9.2. The FreeBSD server in on a private IP, > 192.168.1.6. I have only one public IP and that's on my verizon firewall > configured to port forward to my FreeBSD server. > > I do not control the Cisco device, but here is the config that was sent to > me: > > > > interface Tunnel10 > ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.252 > tunnel source GigabitEthernet0/0/2.1 (187.255.253.1) > tunnel destination 107.48.4.129 > > Here is what I did on my FreeBSD: > ifconfig gre0 create > ifconfig gre0 10.1.1.2 10.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 > ifconfig gre0 tunnel 192.168.1.6 187.255.253.1 > > > Now I can ping 10.1.1.1 (his end) > > But when I try to add a static route for his subnets via his tunnel IP, it > fails > > > root@devsrvr:/root # route add -net > 187.255.252.0/2210.1.1.1 > route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable > add net 187.255.252.0 : gateway 10.1.1.1: Network is > unreachable > > > Am I missing anything? It's my first time configuring a Tunnel. > > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 08:44:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509B1E88 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-x22f.google.com (mail-qe0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FDD62D32 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id b4so5916599qen.6 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:44:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C1F0WrE5GumYHxYTiiItCo8h2LoomBTkXxrIoTns3Yo=; b=DloxP2I+92F6v+u6W/TPysE23HqZiYlZMYanqiHstBrcSlUWHy0NiOKnT+AWMi3p65 Wq0vSlW4tbyVOHeJ/OfW7jUoipUbhcKLRG48pQuXMpPPWdcLOk2WbEsa7J7xjpQT3/2x JJGyFZiBg/cioPB6BQI9QUta/WVyN7m8thQtMD2R0xMpsllC30t7s5vMpaBQ0djUXnxk 7p+u7UAQMYdKOwsAw/E99YEaJMKdc7/F/Fym1/oNL2r5jDHFqbMAespfecHQwqI6zO5x 4biTjgyaDCuz3Q6w4qVNP7E+rC5ltMMs0TCa6OGCzexWftdo4W4IGMqopT3qx6/NiE2/ xWlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.12.237 with SMTP id b13mr5554936qec.15.1381826642148; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:44:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:44:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dzJV0WjFsujPzLMswTNOAFoVCWA Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Charles Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Daniel Feenberg , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:44:03 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Charles Swiger wrote: > First, unless you call fsync() before close() and your OS and/or drive ha= rdware isn't being deceptive when fsync() returns about whether the bits ha= ve made it to permanent storage, then you might be surprised at just how lo= ng the unwritten buffers containing the last updates to the file data take = to get properly flushed to disk. Nice hint! Thank you! :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 10:04:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B180642 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark.tinka@seacom.mu) Received: from the-host.seacom.mu (ge-0.ln-01-jnb.za.seacomnet.com [41.87.104.245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 885C721C1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=the-host.localnet) by the-host.seacom.mu with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VVd3u-0007pd-1b; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:59:34 +0200 From: Mark Tinka Organization: SEACOM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tunnelling between Cisco and Freebsd Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:59:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.37.6-24-desktop; KDE/4.6.0; i686; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart9945206.eU6p7W41YK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201310140959.33565.mark.tinka@seacom.mu> Cc: Monah Baki X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.tinka@seacom.mu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:04:13 -0000 --nextPart9945206.eU6p7W41YK Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:25:31 PM Monah Baki wrote: > Am I missing anything? It's my first time configuring a > Tunnel. What does "netstat -rn" say? 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What are the firmwares for >> those HBAs? > Upon doing this; > > sysctl -a | grep mps > > I get this; > > dev.mps.0.driver_version: 14.00.00.01-fbsd > > LSIs site mentions the latest drives at being 17.00.00.00 > > I'll go ahead and install the latest to see what happens. > > Whats the best way to do this, I assume build it and load via loader.conf? > > - aurf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The way i do it is from FreeBSD itself. I did it on FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.2, never did it on a 9.1 or 10 Current. I also never did it on cards other then the 9211-8i LSI cards. So do not hold me responsible if things go wrong :D If things go wrong it can damage the card so it has to be put in for RMA Download the firmware, and the sas2flash file for FreeBSD Then i do the following myrootonzfs ~ *# ./sas2flash -listall* LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) NumCtlrFW VerNVDATAx86-BIOSPCI Addr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *_0SAS2008(B2)15.00.00.000f.00.00.0507.29.00.0000:84:00:00_* Finished Processing Commands Successfully. Exiting SAS2Flash. myrootonzfs ~ # *./sas2flash -o -e 6* LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved Advanced Mode Set Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) Executing Operation: Erase Flash Erasing Flash Region... Erase Flash Command not Supported on this platform. Resetting Adapter... Reset Successful! Due to Exception Command not Executed. IOCStatus=0x1, IOCLogInfo=0x0 Finished Processing Commands Successfully. Exiting SAS2Flash. myrootonzfs ~ # *./sas2flash -o -f 2118it.bin -b mptsas2.rom* LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved Advanced Mode Set Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) Executing Operation: Flash Firmware Image Firmware Image has a Valid Checksum. Firmware Version 16.00.00.00 Firmware Image compatible with Controller. Valid NVDATA Image found. NVDATA Version 10.00.00.00 Checking for a compatible NVData image... NVDATA Device ID and Chip Revision match verified. NVDATA Versions Compatible. Valid Initialization Image verified. Valid BootLoader Image verified. Beginning Firmware Download... Firmware Download Successful. Verifying Download... Firmware Flash Successful. Resetting Adapter... Adapter Successfully Reset. Executing Operation: Flash BIOS Image Validating BIOS Image... BIOS Header Signature is Valid BIOS Image has a Valid Checksum. BIOS PCI Structure Signature Valid. BIOS Image Compatible with the SAS Controller. Attempting to Flash BIOS Image... Verifying Download... Flash BIOS Image Successful. Updated BIOS Version in BIOS Page 3. Finished Processing Commands Successfully. Exiting SAS2Flash. myrootonzfs ~ # *./sas2flash -listall* LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) NumCtlrFW VerNVDATAx86-BIOSPCI Addr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *_0SAS2008(B2)16.00.00.0010.00.00.0607.31.00.0000:84:00:00_* Finished Processing Commands Successfully. Exiting SAS2Flash. myrootonzfs ~ # You can create an USB disk also and do it from the DOS prompt. regards Johan Hendriks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:09:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7475E21 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A17B2572 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9FB9G3q049239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:09:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:09:15 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:09:25 -0000 On 15/10/2013 06:07, yudi v wrote: > I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver > n40l, > it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. > > I am looking at > APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS > 3112 > > is that supported by apcupsd? (already tried apcupsd mailing list, there > was no response, hence asking here) > If not, please recommend one that is supported. > > The HP server has a 150W PSU and the UPS is rated at 400Watts, and it comes > with USB monitoring support. > > Also, how to measure exact power consumption by a device? > > I've been watching this thread with a bit of interest. For what it's worth I run several UPS units at various location (about forty) and FWIW I tend to avoid the cheap ones although I've not actually had a problem with them. It's just when I open the case I don't like the manufacturing quality. I'm using (right here) an APC BackUPS Pro 420 to keep three HP microservers alive. What!? Yes, it works. The power they draw varies greatly depending on what type and how many drives you have in the bays and (I think with the Microservers) their processing workload. As to the "compatibility", I do the myself. All I want it to do is shut down gracefully if the power fails - nothing more. And this is how I do it: All servers are, by definition, connected to the network. They can ping equipment nearby (just do it from a shell script). If they ping several pieces of kit on the LAN that don't have a UPS and get no reply, repeatedly for a few minutes) then it can be assumed something's up, and they can shut down. As a cross-check they can ping other kit on a UPS and if that's still alive it proves the NIC is okay. In the event of a suspected failure the script writes what it's done in a log, emails it to me (for later) and calls shutdown. Why don't I use a special driver? First off, one UPS may be powering more than one server but only one can be connected (and I've got a few *BIG* UPS units covering a whole rack). Secondly, UPS units need servicing, which means they get swapped. Unless you have just one type you've got more than one protocol to contend with, and is that USB or RS-232? It quickly becomes a pain. I want to be able to swap any UPS for any other and still have automatic shutdown without messing with the server hardware/software. So, what I look for in a UPS is a good automatic self-test (i.e. a "smart" one) and a standard and easy to change battery (the 7Ah type are cheap, plentiful and are thus well refined). As to the "run time", there are lies, damn lies ans statistics. I once tested a load of them for an article in PC Magazine and took very little notice of what the manufacturer said. They normally have the same battery, and without breaking any laws of physics they're going to run for pretty much the same time unless they're using a cheap and inefficient inverter, in which case the energy gets dissipated as heat and you'll know it. Inverters are a done deal now - just buy the chip - I wouldn't expect much variation. The only performance difference you're likely to find is the output current, and the transistor it flows throug - if it's weedy it will overheat/burn out, but that takes time. You pay more for sustained higher output currents, but may very well not need them. As to the run-time, that's always down to the battery capacity. Buy a new one every two years; don't wait for the load test to fail. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:10:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32ADEC4 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C7E32585 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so2759445wgh.31 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t36d59MiIgAnb8A3mLXGDHZ7uspIThtnToci+zZlLvk=; b=vuKC0OICGhgbLfKRJNkDZNwDFvANL/bgDJIHIMA1OxwU5miyXZZUYQRJtz0XI+GxR0 mNeR+tzwrb7RDBYZYZNI42PsTth4wCvTwf+q33z8ZpASgq6DQujbV6yOT6w87Lnrzcuu 8kI3QXTWFj0I2aLSD2cQGBBB1RqHYeLxKdJ0/hn/RVUIwDu1thIbesSSXidGokJ3vSWQ DyzMJfXT8JwfmdhratbTm7/wteG+M6ZtgysMEVqGPN3yRCsuRGCxQIc2NQTCRbesRJ2T rKPv/fcHAIvq1+ONZpcw2xHXFe/LzCc4yjZM9kdrhiQhY/upGjXJVe4lSHelkygUhAmc 7GMg== X-Received: by 10.194.192.131 with SMTP id hg3mr575100wjc.78.1381835422744; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.129] ([193.173.55.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s4sm522640wiy.1.2013.10.15.04.10.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525D22A1.5070104@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:10:25 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yudi v , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative References: <20131015055955.GA6341@anchorage.sysadm.co> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:10:24 -0000 yudi v wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Aaron Kaufman wrote: > >> Take a look at BitTorrent Sync. >> > I should have mentioned that I am after something that's open sourced. Maybe Owncloud can do what you want. gr Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:16:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A07FB5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eayesta@portugalete.uned.es) Received: from smtp-out-dos.uned.es (smtp-in-cuatro.uned.es [62.204.192.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 236FC25E7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from stargate-1.unedbizkaia.es (10-200-62-201.ca062000.uned.es [10.200.62.201]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out-dos.uned.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21C1C611A3; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at smtp-out-dos.uned.es Message-ID: <525D21DE.3020703@portugalete.uned.es> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:07:10 +0200 From: Enrique Ayesta Perojo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130917 Thunderbird/17.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yudi v Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:16:06 -0000 15/10/13 07:21(e)an, yudi v(e)k idatzi zuen: > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep my > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a copy > on an external party's server. > Take a look at www/owncloud , it can be what you need From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226A11E3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjpugmed@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-x241.google.com (mail-vc0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4063261E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f193.google.com with SMTP id id10so1185978vcb.4 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:18:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zDPbLLCBYNdtCxL7tMk3Ed+Lc9oDpVkZx18YpmRWDFk=; b=Q9EH3z+KKpHkW7TsVwrNddA3m2nyXzIDs4YqUvgqFVObKlh7VMmG0TYKjzSKvuxKPD 3T26W/ROqcpIWvqCyF+gmSXihtFCV2zEre5eNQR2GZmH+vHrwS0QEy1VYTiWBttMPuKQ 5UbwC5NWJ4hrIShh1feq/kB4z6QkEtHvtbJUkGZqYMpNFUF4jhev8lY4U5MOGg2V1cBO icu2nMq8Gc9J1wNC6aTv/se5YEWEEsfH3br0wxJ9DU7knlE7kx1USdVYV5FDOomuyykC xC44u3g98o9UTDDweSaUrjE6WyttMOzAQLbiu8InULLul5tsT0yfwybuqzVdXKJL3VN0 /2Rw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.161.231 with SMTP id xv7mr11299660veb.2.1381835908868; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.1.17 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:18:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:18:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf From: Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:18:30 -0000 Thanks for your last input. All is quite clear, I will leave the tuning as such it's set currently, because I use it exactly as you described it at the end of your post. If by chance, you recommend me reading a recent blog or link about the subject I will appreciate it. --CJPM 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > Hi Steve, > > I use it as a paticular desktop PC. Well, if you need more details about > it, please, let me know. > What do you think about current tuning? > > Thanks > --CJPM > > > 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina > >> Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake >> I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error >> :) >> >> % cat /etc/sysctl.conf >> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux >> $ >> # >> # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru >> # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. >> # >> >> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes >> that >> # are being run under another UID. >> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 >> vfs.usermount=1 >> hw.snd.default_unit=2 >> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 >> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 >> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 >> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 >> kern.maxfiles=65536 >> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 >> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 >> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 >> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 >> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 >> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 >> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 >> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 >> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 >> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 >> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 >> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 >> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 >> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 >> net.inet.ip.random_id=1 >> >> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. >> vm.max_wired=524288 >> >> >> >> 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina >> >>> Hi people, >>> >>> I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the >>> specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials >>> [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with >>> sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with >>> other examples or experienced users. >>> >>> Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) >>> variables. >>> >>> % uname -a >>> FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 >>> 03:52:52 UTC 2013 root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >>> i386 >>> >>> % dmesg | grep CPU >>> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) >>> cpu0: on acpi0 >>> p4tcc0: on cpu0 >>> >>> % dmesg | grep memory >>> real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) >>> avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) >>> >>> % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet >>> 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 >>> rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 >>> 42- vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' >>> 43: device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' >>> 44- class = network >>> 45- subclass = ethernet >>> >>> My /etc/sysctl.conf >>> >>> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z >>> mux $ >>> # >>> # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru >>> # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for >>> details. >>> # >>> >>> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about >>> processes that >>> # are being run under another UID. >>> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 >>> vfs.usermount=1 >>> hw.snd.default_unit=2 >>> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 >>> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 >>> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 >>> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 >>> kern.maxfiles=65536 >>> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 >>> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 >>> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 >>> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 >>> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 >>> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 >>> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 >>> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 >>> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 >>> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 >>> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 >>> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 >>> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 >>> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 >>> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 >>> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 >>> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 >>> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 >>> net.inet.ip.random_id=1 >>> >>> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel >>> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. >>> vm.max_wired=524288 >>> >>> I will appreciate any input about the subject. >>> --CJPM >>> >>> [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html >>> [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING >>> [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning >>> [4] >>> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel >>> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:32:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5FD56C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsjcfm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com (mail-pa0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29192270A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id kl14so8822166pab.25 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:32:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/0LCcXlcb7Z6svFo0dKEtMRR4nhyryHyYs1YtN0Lj1A=; b=ESr08pwVhtptp7f48XdetGU85UbXXqDI09fkUhmLXwY61DTwOC+aexvyG5NvHZ1SBR zPpvn14P8GP/8QZ/pHQ4kLEm6pXcqDGc5CdkKeNcjBiiGrKqmm5vNTOXLziuMxBAx7vY 9ccEzvlM3B1d+cBAou5fAY0oX47v6HS7PsIS6Xt4QmekdiQ77LxeBSiAHFY8Q1zKmBNo /5/yR1mthACvycl9GZfeBpJMZ8v0fWoPsfSwcgFdVenQYFEycFGw/DgTyGyiD0w1wQk8 m43lIMT2GPRzoDnwK2duMwlcghouHZXVZD1JJDsQ1ZrcerZAm3tbOu07D+EtiJfhnv0u a6+Q== X-Received: by 10.68.143.74 with SMTP id sc10mr880712pbb.190.1381836722870; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:32:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.42.144 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Sayetsky Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:31:42 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: [zfs] root mountpoint To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:32:03 -0000 Hello, I decided to install FreeBSD on ZFS root. In almost all guides i saw the following recommendation: zpool create -o altroot=/mnt zroot /dev/${device} zfs create zroot/var zfs create ... ... zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot zfs set mountpoint=/var zroot/var zfs set mountpount=... ... reboot So we're setting mountpoins for all first-level childs of zroot. Why just don't use the following simpler setup, when mountpoint set only once: zpool create -o altroot=/mnt zroot /dev${device} zfs set mountpoint=/ zroot zfs create zroot/var zfs create ... ... reboot I've tested both ways, the second also works perfectly but requires less commands to enter. Can anybody explain me why I can't see recommendations to set mountpoint=/ for zroot instead of mountpoint=legacy? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:42:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A05FD62 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:42:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E98462842 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.69] (iPAD.dweimer.local [192.168.5.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9FBgRp8038549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:42:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) References: <20131015055955.GA6341@anchorage.sysadm.co> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1A1E768F-2494-4E28-8A7C-9148B2DD0577@dweimer.net> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11A501) From: "Dean E. Weimer" Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:42:29 -0500 To: yudi v Cc: Aaron Kaufman , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:42:37 -0000 You might want to look at pyd.io, I am using it both at home and at my compa= ny, it's open source, has iOS and android clients, requires a web server cap= able of running php, it's easy to setup and manage. They also have a paid v= ersion if you want support, the developer has been responsive to messages I h= ave left on the community site resolving issues I have run into running the f= ree version. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 15, 2013, at 2:14 AM, yudi v wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Aaron Kaufman wro= te: >=20 >> Take a look at BitTorrent Sync. >=20 > I should have mentioned that I am after something that's open sourced. > --=20 > Kind regards, > Yudi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:48:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDA0303 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B2632939 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber4.nber.org (nber4.nber.org [66.251.72.74]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9FBltAq070278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:47:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:47:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Polytropon Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure In-Reply-To: <20131015073048.83d7bca4.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> <20131015073048.83d7bca4.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.03 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20131015 #11251708, check: 20131015 clean Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:48:01 -0000 On Tue, 15 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:45 -0700, Charles Swiger wrote: ... > > Unmounting a disk will usually make sure all remaining > buffers have been written. Given the previously described > stack of involved layers, it might still be good to be a > little bit paranoid regarding this assumption. :-) > We have a disk-to-disk backup that runs continuously. I have found that if I unmount the backup disk and remove it without delay, then sometimes it requires an fsck to remount. So I believe that umount does not wait for all writes to complete. I understand that buffers are written out to disk at least every 30 seconds, but it may take some time for the buffers to be flushed and the disk itself has a buffer and I have never seen any discussion of the maximum delay there. So the minimum wait for a safe removal remains unknown. Perhaps some trick like unmounting, then remounting with fsync, then unmounting would ensure all buffers were at least sent to the disk, but I have never seen that suggested. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:51:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C07C58A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:51:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA82329BE for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so2825380wgh.19 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:51:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UzR7GzMASyp8DGTYG9T4Z7jaXlQMVccxJOQc7XNapeY=; b=YwYKUJAKxvHCTDraOY93lAMVO8Wj25DL36OhB/SuNsMUywvlOvqEz9677emnMZFpFx rsvt4eF5300JfF3QjAtvuYm6mujna6Ok3GBTMlHhpUmOyxMbBeqmho96z0lpa/xhUlfG tn8q91HytD3V9mxHJEjBHW2TonCzQv1tVwSDsnS9qTq6JyrIoQRzZOAn2YhOk0ydgjlD HgmgnlXmkzx0DBvqMlNW0aMEOiBUlcO/ooM+HidwkwLTbjZrn0xx6QFoG9s3G13PYQjk Ody+l9HtGSo1u1CaoC0/7I8s8YBdKh+bBYu0xWt9jjolOc6UN96Rg7dkQODQ1e3dyQSG NaKg== X-Received: by 10.180.11.6 with SMTP id m6mr19158145wib.52.1381837910202; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ey4sm5438950wic.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:51:48 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports Message-ID: <20131015125148.2950a2c8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014174833.58154.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20131014233539.56016.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:51:52 -0000 On 14 Oct 2013 23:35:39 -0000 Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, > and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to > day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', > not just the linux_base-fc4 I do something similar, but often I go through the port list and delete any ports that I no longer need and anything I don't remember installing directly. This allows the reinstall to find up-to-date dependency origins. If any of the remaining ports are missing you'll have to choose different ports or do without. In your case I suggest that you also check make.conf for anything like PERL_VERSION etc that might be forcing older dependencies. I'd also take the opportunity to go to pkgng either by upgrading to 10-stable or setting WITH_PKGNG=YES in make.conf. If you update to 10 while all the ports are deinstalled it will avoid your having reinstall them again later. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:52:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EAD638 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail233c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50D329D4 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:52:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.20.69] (e182020069.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.20.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9FBjgfp005375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:45:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1381837542.757.45.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:45:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131015163434.5834988c@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> <20131015163434.5834988c@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=dYI3Kwre c=1 sm=1 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=U18m_GNWAAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=4P0nPQEM0Oec4RkkepAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=crg0cOJYuC4A:10 a=TyoC9r8uM1wA:10 a=Z-Li_lWCzP4A:10 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.525D2AE9.0134, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:52:38 -0000 On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 16:34 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > The power meter will show you the actual W consumed by the device but > not the VA that your UPS will have to deliver. The shown kWh can be converted to average W, where VA more or less is equal to W. http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/electric/wh-to-watt.htm http://askville.amazon.com/Watt-Volt-Amper/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3916116 Anyway, you can't trust those power meters. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 11:57:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8785FA68 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail51c50.megamailservers.eu (mail51c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF69B2A61 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:57:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.20.69] (e182020069.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.20.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail51c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9FBVJwC018796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:31:23 +0000 Message-ID: <1381836678.757.38.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:31:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=cL1XRCiN c=1 sm=1 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=brmyBxHTfoloF1a1328A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.525D278B.0152, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:57:26 -0000 On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 15:07 +1000, yudi v wrote: > Also, how to measure exact power consumption by a device? Most of us can't do it. We can do a guess by taking care of the computer gears specifications, plus doing a very inaccurate, raw measurement using an elCheapo power coasts meter. Note, the measurement accuracy given by the specifications of those elCheapo power coasts meters are completely wrong, those devices are far away of being that precise, they are absolutely unusable even for raw consumption measurements, but they might indicate, if there should be a computer device that does consume much less or more than it should regarding to it's specifications. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:07:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D603A7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E6662BC5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:07:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=fFG//k1U53t9tUDnteHPC4G+IUHqQonYNf4z9V0VRlQ=; b=AMGEPYZDZoFnI9KQp5NfEWyeKcHAMUblGqYArgDvPKeBHuMlpsXFJuiKKJ8LC4ezyra9bzmOAWCLx2WlmMMxwk+XdMLomTjBmXUwAZb6pLqTDVROr9lwAcX0/4XFjN2/58TbzB3bTc3xYWJfuE/H7B/2N6TGUSutcoL/vCcHsFU=; Received: from [182.0.242.251] (port=36035 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VW3P9-001GwS-G9; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:07:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:07:08 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131015200708.70057bba@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:07:19 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:09:15 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 15/10/2013 06:07, yudi v wrote: > > I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver > > n40l, > > it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. > > I've been watching this thread with a bit of interest. For what it's this is good to hear. > As to the "compatibility", I do the myself. All I want it to do is > shut down gracefully if the power fails - nothing more. And this is > how I do it: > > All servers are, by definition, connected to the network. They can > ping equipment nearby (just do it from a shell script). If they ping this is real cool. You can then also control when to shutdown. This is the problem I have here. I will not shutdown for a few minutes of no power. > As to the "run time", there are lies, damn lies ans statistics. I > once tested a load of them for an article in PC Magazine and took Did you get always new devices or the devices these companies ship from magazine to magazine? Batteries age also by the number of charge-discharge cycles. > - if it's weedy it will overheat/burn out, but that takes time. You > pay more for sustained higher output currents, but may very well not > need them. As to the run-time, that's always down to the battery > capacity. Buy a new one every two years; don't wait for the load test > to fail. I only realise just now that my Ablerex has a much higher number of charge-discharge cycles then my APC. This could have aged it behind my expectations. I must check what kind of batteries are actually in there. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:16:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A62A800 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC9CB2C96 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65AAE2768B; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:16:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9FCFwFs003622; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:15:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:15:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Daniel Feenberg Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-Id: <20131015141558.91dd5d63.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> <20131015073048.83d7bca4.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:16:08 -0000 On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:47:55 -0400 (EDT), Daniel Feenberg wrote: > We have a disk-to-disk backup that runs continuously. I have found that if > I unmount the backup disk and remove it without delay, then sometimes it > requires an fsck to remount. So I believe that umount does not wait for > all writes to complete. Correct, that's what I wanted to suggest. When umount finishes successfully, it simply means that the disk driver has finished accepting data for write and sent it to the disk. If the _disk_ has actually correctly written that data - you probably can't be 100% sure. > I understand that buffers are written out to disk > at least every 30 seconds, but it may take some time for the buffers to be > flushed and the disk itself has a buffer and I have never seen any > discussion of the maximum delay there. So the minimum wait for a safe > removal remains unknown. I do the same with external disks here. After unmounting them, I wait a while before switching off the power and disconnect the disk. Until now, no problems regarding a forced fsck. > Perhaps some trick like unmounting, then remounting with fsync, then > unmounting would ensure all buffers were at least sent to the disk, but > I have never seen that suggested. Still you can't be 100% sure here. An imaginary method would be like this: 1. signal umount to the disk 2. grab last buffers not flushed yet, flush them 3. prohibit any new writes (no new buffers) 4. read from the disk and compare to the last buffers - make sure they are _on disk_, only then the data is consistent 5. now unmount the disk 6. exit the umount program successfully That would mean that "mount /mnt" would take much longer as expected, and _still_, you can't be 100% sure. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:16:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C374C984 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A9782CAE for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=bFXXCYerxew3rmRqfJVnm3bSDT0X7rDP5gO3zufLxqo=; b=JVR2RWmJr2Z5Z5YOJ7rBTblQ2qRQpr6accvoOkxK9JyZFK6SY5c86BdOn3lcU7wKw7ob9QkSnbB0AlXZNG83OuNyQJLSx+dTLBgno/Leo1AgksnhKuAAk0TJMdfTm7iZFX2gw3GM91rC37qIVTejcUoD2gP4cs1Fm17SeoP4qTw=; Received: from [182.0.242.251] (port=44682 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VW3YR-001K7i-Kt; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:16:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:16:44 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131015201644.228f1ae2@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1381837542.757.45.camel@archlinux> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> <20131015163434.5834988c@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381837542.757.45.camel@archlinux> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:16:54 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:45:42 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 16:34 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > The power meter will show you the actual W consumed by the device > > but not the VA that your UPS will have to deliver. > > The shown kWh can be converted to average W, where VA more or less is > equal to W. > > http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/electric/wh-to-watt.htm > http://askville.amazon.com/Watt-Volt-Amper/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3916116 from your link: 'For what are known as "reactive loads" the answer is no. Reactive l' A PC is a reactive load. > > Anyway, you can't trust those power meters. Do not think so bad. It is all a matter of price. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:22:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81342C08 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22f.google.com (mail-qc0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F5802D40 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id v2so5824777qcr.34 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:22:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sdrisckRwKKyvrz/Carsn551tQi2w5wMQ4wyESBpRsY=; b=QoHm0sJWWA4Cy3Exh4wz1QF2RO1ylykBUhKLB8KHoJ38j5kciTePJ6P5W8zab8W2V5 whrnnIERoCQj+S+zgDhDwei9rvbwWlVNzI6eABMlKOn3HwiSdt/vwfe4PWOz2m+Ownvu ZMOz/MvOyfTQUX4CAQ5wkysb7mB0pxD2B/qwV3+mohgAT7yerFZTDaMG8Sus3+RlsiKl BdzA+CVDCIVCP1KUsCWq2SnnbdvkVJwmOo1nuJON7wp4MDFrYBzZzsyiyKnAfELlk5SX NYvkr1djiHqT9iSOhMkXjfoPN3qn4uoYIUAt0uyFXu2F7obFCXCPkxigNE6rR8Ch5A20 fNng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.26.6 with SMTP id h6mr10730419qeg.75.1381839751369; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:22:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> <525C2554.7080203@pchotshots.com> <525C2FBC.4080808@cran.org.uk> <2351E8C5-4FC0-4AE9-AC21-312DA46C0EE8@mac.com> <20131015073048.83d7bca4.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:22:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pCvlh945La5W4mAOq0nZ_HGHbVM Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: Daniel Feenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:22:32 -0000 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > We have a disk-to-disk backup that runs continuously. I have found that if I > unmount the backup disk and remove it without delay, then sometimes it > requires an fsck to remount. So I believe that umount does not wait for all > writes to complete. This can be observed on USB Mass Storage devices that blink activity some time even after umount completes...? :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:27:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FC1DC3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (mail221c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572492D91 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:26:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.20.69] (e182020069.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.20.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9FBxTBG015310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:59:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1381838368.757.50.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:59:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=fcYaPTsF c=1 sm=1 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=3YdKriAB2QK47VQZBpMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=JbOQpMBdifoA:10 a=Bkm6yLTFSegA:10 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.525D2E23.0169, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:27:00 -0000 On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 13:48 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > As you need the current anyway, I would use an ampere meter to > determine the exact current drawn. I got already some surprises there. You can do a Ampere measurement, but that doesn't help you, you need to measure the consumption over a longer period. Regarding to the hair dryer, it's an electromotor ;). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:27:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22C5DC4 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (mail223c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C062D92 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:26:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.20.69] (e182020069.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.20.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9FCCb5d004987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:12:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1381839157.757.55.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:12:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1381838368.757.50.camel@archlinux> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381838368.757.50.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=fcYaPTsF c=1 sm=1 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=Y2G3NUB4A9FmsYkNTNcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.525D3137.01A5, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:27:01 -0000 On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 13:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 13:48 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > As you need the current anyway, I would use an ampere meter to > > determine the exact current drawn. I got already some surprises there. > > You can do a Ampere measurement, but that doesn't help you, you need to > measure the consumption over a longer period. > > Regarding to the hair dryer, it's an electromotor ;). PS: Please don't recommend to use multi meters, even if they would provide the wanted results. Using multi meters for the mains only should be done, when galvanic isolation by an isolating transformer is given. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 12:42:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D55279F for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:42:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759412F17 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:42:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=ZxJritMby5GpagYoZAJuMhiwAQX65Wn5sQgsF+mShUs=; b=brVvBLVapCEJjanb6wj6KzjnW0MUAQ2jEGeUV/vymiLgF/TwhoSaTpk4o3U9o+qbnf2McsqHoLh6YiAwg/RWOiT4+uNNTFQWusVjcKJGSH4ElMXkWj6HQpEDeYnntdyc9o7+ot4s3mFWSPGxmqrc6/umPufE4jyGosHDgWY5GLk=; Received: from [182.0.242.251] (port=45401 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VW3xP-001UBQ-SP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:42:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:42:34 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131015204234.190c8760@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1381838368.757.50.camel@archlinux> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381838368.757.50.camel@archlinux> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:42:43 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:59:28 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 13:48 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > As you need the current anyway, I would use an ampere meter to > > determine the exact current drawn. I got already some surprises > > there. > > You can do a Ampere measurement, but that doesn't help you, you need > to measure the consumption over a longer period. > > Regarding to the hair dryer, it's an electromotor ;). Which is still harmless compared to the peaks switching power supplies might have even if the power factor is high. I was surprised myself that the hair-dryer worked on one after it 'failed' dramatically on the other one. Still, the most extreme experience related to power factor I ever got was at the beginning of my professional education. A relatively small electrical device has had such a low power factor that its connection to the power outlet made the distrubution panel fly out of the wall. This made me going parnoid about the power factor. As this device was a prototype, some changes have been made before it reached the public. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 13:19:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92A1B39 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (mail50c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8332276 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:19:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.20.69] (e182020069.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.20.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9FDAhth001314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:10:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1381842643.757.77.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:10:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131015201644.228f1ae2@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> <20131015163434.5834988c@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381837542.757.45.camel@archlinux> <20131015201644.228f1ae2@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=bcncppzB c=1 sm=1 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=8GsG-mMGEy4mMPBFVvEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.525D3ED5.01F3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:19:23 -0000 On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:16 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > 'For what are known as "reactive loads" the answer is no. Reactive l' > > A PC is a reactive load. You're doing the measurement for a while and then you win an impression of the consumption. Reactive power compensation can reduce the reactive power, however, your electricity provider only will measure the active energy, only for large customers they will measure the reactive energy. IIUC the OP want's to get a raw impression of what is needed and isn't interested in rocket science. > > Anyway, you can't trust those power meters. > > Do not think so bad. It is all a matter of price. Yes, you need a rotary current meter, like the once your electricity provider installed to your home, or you turn off everything at home, excepted of the computer and check the consumption by this meter. If you want to have more precision, ask them to install a device to measure the reactive power too ;). For electronics usually the rule of three and rule of thumb are used, by ignoring internal resistance of one or the other source, tolerances of one or the other component, phi etc. pp.. But there is more math than just the rule of three available, for theoretical usage and perhaps rocket science. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 13:31:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4415CFC5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail51c50.megamailservers.eu (mail51c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E1923BB for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:31:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.20.69] (e182020069.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.20.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail51c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9FDVXi8012735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:31:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1381843893.757.84.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:31:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131015204234.190c8760@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20131015134826.528289be@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381838368.757.50.camel@archlinux> <20131015204234.190c8760@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=cL1XRCiN c=1 sm=1 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=9gJnjQZogMKwj4bUxLMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ruTQRgKcg-UA:10 a=dMIHt1OBA3gA:10 a=ztyVO8lz3lMybfiksaaZaw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.525D43B8.004F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:31:39 -0000 On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:42 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Still, the most extreme experience related to power factor I ever got > was at the beginning of my professional education. In Germany workshops need to protect by using isolating transformers and residual current operated circuit breaker and there are perhaps other protections, e.g. one that will always protect against flying distribution panels :D. 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Thank you. ------=a__jpxdvebfbu_00_67_27-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 15:10:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7BAEE9 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:10:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D0452D42 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VW6Gh-0006ny-H2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:10:43 +0200 Received: from dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca ([129.173.34.203]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:10:43 +0200 Received: from jrm by dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Joseph Mingrone Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:10:30 -0300 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <86li1uzi1l.fsf@gly.ath.cx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:j7C7GrXU0yX1ZEkjzUY2GxK3+Y0= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:10:52 -0000 yudi v writes: > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep my > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a copy > on an external party's server. The ports net/unison or net/unison-nox11 might fit the bill. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 15:31:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E80959 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5497A2F84 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9FFVkOK098104; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9FFVkL9098101; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:31:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: yudi v Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:31:48 -0000 On Tue, 15 Oct 2013, yudi v wrote: > I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver > n40l, > it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. > > I am looking at > APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS > 3112 > > is that supported by apcupsd? (already tried apcupsd mailing list, there > was no response, hence asking here) > If not, please recommend one that is supported. > > The HP server has a 150W PSU and the UPS is rated at 400Watts, and it comes > with USB monitoring support. I recommend the older APC Smart-UPS SUA1500, available either in standalone or rackmount styles. The standalone style takes two large 18AH batteries, the rackmount takes four of the standard 12V 8AH batteries. These are very expensive UPS systems when new, but can sometimes be found at school and local government auctions for about 3% of retail price. The batteries are always bad, but not difficult to replace. Well, the rackmount ones are stuck in with double-sided tape, and take some convincing. These are standard sealed lead-acid batteries, used for building emergency lights, alarm systems, and well, computer UPSes. The advantages of the older SUA1500 are sinewave output, correct battery charging for long battery life, metal construction, a fan that only turns on when needed, and USB and serial monitoring connections. sysutils/apcupsd works well with them, and they are large enough to power multiple computers. The UPS is connected via USB or serial to one machine, and the others speak to it over the network. For me, this is easier to set up and more functional than the expensive network management cards available for the smart card slot in the UPS. The smaller Smart-UPS line aren't bad. Only the ones from 700VA on up have sinewave output. The Back-UPS units are better than nothing, but avoid the fat power strip style. > Also, how to measure exact power consumption by a device? The "Kill-A-Watt" meters are popular and inexpensive. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:17:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7613BB1A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aurfalien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com (mail-pa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C029283B for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kx10so1227603pab.29 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:17:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=/X9N7IFRRgNQ1KVIh8r2VfR5fDeBlHWsn5jGU+hxYkM=; b=pvNF8L+FIXSxgsFpJzsit9IW4E3hi7g+guUFc1YafR6XrnE4yg5ZN0F48GrzqVBC4t rQQFdJQ7IN/5/bKvgqF3ZlVSyr2LDsv8wTK3cTZrZswnPP8XeF//19+dbk9Mg08HLl4a Y6ZkLgBRFKQJXfM+3x2xrucXSzQss1/jACXA96nchDuXu0xrSt6cksTZK7B3WhJTaw/3 4WjsqQdF8up9P8snNrGrzjO/1zXxLRy3+obLq0uSRf4wduVDKn8Un0OvvGqVY9biwG0W +3VSWEzjnH3d4iKUALnSjZ23xpxi7lvXrFVKNlbwrcUKVKBtgPaTfJknTQsEuf8oztvs ba8g== X-Received: by 10.66.121.68 with SMTP id li4mr43833839pab.33.1381857473873; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from briankrusicw.logan.tv ([64.17.255.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hz10sm85764746pbc.36.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) From: aurfalien In-Reply-To: <525D143B.50202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:17:51 -0700 Message-Id: <0BE9BC1E-25A7-4D00-9468-A78A2E5101AE@gmail.com> References: <1381600575.18393.33219025.5D7B78D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8CA809B3-1692-4760-A63F-9D7451EB49BD@gmail.com> <525D143B.50202@gmail.com> To: Johan Hendriks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:17:54 -0000 I think you misunderstood. I don't mean to flash the BIOS of the HBAs (already did that) as they = are at the latest anyways. I mean to update the FreeBSD driver. - aurf On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote: > aurfalien wrote: >> On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is = my Mac >>>> faster then my PC" kind of email. >>>>=20 >>>> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. >>>>=20 >>> It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares = for >>> those HBAs? >> Upon doing this; >>=20 >> sysctl -a | grep mps >>=20 >> I get this; >>=20 >> dev.mps.0.driver_version: 14.00.00.01-fbsd >>=20 >> LSIs site mentions the latest drives at being 17.00.00.00 >>=20 >> I'll go ahead and install the latest to see what happens. >>=20 >> Whats the best way to do this, I assume build it and load via = loader.conf? >>=20 >> - aurf >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The way i do it is from FreeBSD itself. > I did it on FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.2, never did it on a 9.1 or 10 Current. = I also never did it on cards other then the 9211-8i LSI cards.=20 > So do not hold me responsible if things go wrong :D > If things go wrong it can damage the card so it has to be put in for = RMA > Download the firmware, and the sas2flash file for FreeBSD=20 >=20 > Then i do the following > =20 >=20 > myrootonzfs ~ # ./sas2flash -listall >=20 > LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility >=20 > Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) >=20 > Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved >=20 > Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) >=20 > Num Ctlr FW Ver NVDATA x86-BIOS PCI = Addr >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > 0 SAS2008(B2) 15.00.00.00 0f.00.00.05 07.29.00.00 = 00:84:00:00 >=20 > Finished Processing Commands Successfully. >=20 > Exiting SAS2Flash. >=20 > myrootonzfs ~ # ./sas2flash -o -e 6 >=20 > LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility >=20 > Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) >=20 > Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved >=20 > Advanced Mode Set >=20 > Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) >=20 > Executing Operation: Erase Flash >=20 > Erasing Flash Region... >=20 > Erase Flash Command not Supported on this platform. >=20 > Resetting Adapter... >=20 > Reset Successful! >=20 > Due to Exception Command not Executed. IOCStatus=3D0x1, = IOCLogInfo=3D0x0 >=20 > Finished Processing Commands Successfully. >=20 > Exiting SAS2Flash. >=20 > =20 >=20 > myrootonzfs ~ # ./sas2flash -o -f 2118it.bin -b mptsas2.rom >=20 > LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility >=20 > Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) >=20 > Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved >=20 > Advanced Mode Set >=20 > Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) >=20 > Executing Operation: Flash Firmware Image >=20 > Firmware Image has a Valid Checksum. >=20 > Firmware Version 16.00.00.00 >=20 > Firmware Image compatible with Controller. >=20 > Valid NVDATA Image found. >=20 > NVDATA Version 10.00.00.00 >=20 > Checking for a compatible NVData image... >=20 > NVDATA Device ID and Chip Revision match verified. >=20 > NVDATA Versions Compatible. >=20 > Valid Initialization Image verified. >=20 > Valid BootLoader Image verified. >=20 > Beginning Firmware Download... >=20 > Firmware Download Successful. >=20 > Verifying Download... >=20 > Firmware Flash Successful. >=20 > Resetting Adapter... >=20 > Adapter Successfully Reset. >=20 > Executing Operation: Flash BIOS Image >=20 > Validating BIOS Image... >=20 > BIOS Header Signature is Valid >=20 > BIOS Image has a Valid Checksum. >=20 > BIOS PCI Structure Signature Valid. >=20 > BIOS Image Compatible with the SAS Controller. >=20 > Attempting to Flash BIOS Image... >=20 > Verifying Download... >=20 > Flash BIOS Image Successful. >=20 > Updated BIOS Version in BIOS Page 3. >=20 > Finished Processing Commands Successfully. >=20 > Exiting SAS2Flash. >=20 > myrootonzfs ~ # ./sas2flash -listall >=20 > LSI Corporation SAS2 Flash Utility >=20 > Version 16.00.00.00 (2013.03.01) >=20 > Copyright (c) 2008-2013 LSI Corporation. All rights reserved >=20 > Adapter Selected is a LSI SAS: SAS2008(B2) >=20 > Num Ctlr FW Ver NVDATA x86-BIOS PCI = Addr >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > 0 SAS2008(B2) 16.00.00.00 10.00.00.06 07.31.00.00 = 00:84:00:00 >=20 > Finished Processing Commands Successfully. >=20 > Exiting SAS2Flash. >=20 > myrootonzfs ~ #=20 > =20 >=20 > You can create an USB disk also and do it from the DOS prompt. >=20 > regards > Johan Hendriks >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:37:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADBC23B for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-x242.google.com (mail-oa0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 668E72973 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f66.google.com with SMTP id j10so600689oah.1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Uip5YlCBS/mlPHHaq1Z54foNCe26O0WvHe6XYnZ6XEU=; b=wsf65awPRz3BxHD9zTSdIj6XCn0OML5p4NMLdY8UE3KcDKKmx+ckJdf6EBkPhjZdOb Ijc7NcxSNUPw6LYlMAE3d6bmBGBd/WoYVnY+6uFsqT6p4pkXnrW8FgJuFCAchQJts0d3 auaSGVkSq30o+gxLBV54zkl81vltMuc9mILCnaV0GCFH35S2n/WN998bq5AluLS9Pd1H MSUPP79PxNwk2WHXH+aFsjefZU4UcALKkLjQhjMUd1XR3PDAaNDpjobKF61OF0fR11Ea 1p5LnCp8Vd9O8TLOxTXEepe0Ag2dkx8B0ZJubmgnvau/9UUg+epG6hhzPkU8Rlm7ex6e 3t4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.237.44 with SMTP id uz12mr36190032obc.11.1381858642720; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131006102748.741d86a5@scorpio> References: <20131006102748.741d86a5@scorpio> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Sound from Firefox From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:37:23 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/10/6 Jerry > Firefox has suddenly went silent. I can view videos on Youtube for > instance, but there is no sound. If I save the video to dist and play > it with MPlayer, there is sound. I did update several PHP modules the > other day, but I don't know it that would have any effect on it. Also, > on several sites, a video starts to load then a blank white area takes > its place and that ends it. Any suggestions as to what might be the > problem. > > -- > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:37:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DF62C7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-x244.google.com (mail-oa0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 321142974 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f68.google.com with SMTP id i3so1468619oag.7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pbLWT46EVDgABLIg37cojR72ifoiuh9/WysJ6s3Frto=; b=B/h2FCPtBBpIJhpO46EdJ2gumcZG6cbIEGbuJxaPBGd0722H2Px/PK0ToPmlLWF3LE as2xJsllKxzCMwkxzqPU8p+Rp+of3SR2XvteXaaxC7udDFDNEVzPDab7XiatQa8DrO4/ U8OBlkB21O5qlhNe4AhzqHSNjxWTnW1x7IoauSITucka+yKaJ5ddZiSwSOQPtalsfoJv 3C7mtiT/zQ3zIQbdBQimjYByfFCx5HIwbAeiIhzptz4NWmAXNcqrapk+b+3wNHSkaAdk 2hfFTFWIxyfZbjJlFxQGDn+hxGfY9JETo2eIaxwG8sTPyed7c4iNgRFbs6J8ZcxWIGjP 4JnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.219.198 with SMTP id pq6mr3901465obc.58.1381858652433; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131006105941.4590d615@scorpio> References: <20131006102748.741d86a5@scorpio> <20131006143338.GA814@Aliens> <20131006105941.4590d615@scorpio> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Sound from Firefox From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:37:33 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/10/6 Jerry > On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:33:38 +0100 > Dave Morgan articulated: > > > On 06/10/13 at 10:27am, Jerry wrote: > > > Firefox has suddenly went silent. I can view videos on Youtube for > > > instance, but there is no sound. If I save the video to dist and > > > play it with MPlayer, there is sound. I did update several PHP > > > modules the other day, but I don't know it that would have any > > > effect on it. Also, on several sites, a video starts to load then a > > > blank white area takes its place and that ends it. Any suggestions > > > as to what might be the problem. > > > > > > -- > > > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > > > > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > > > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Hi, > > > > I think OSS support has been dropped from Firefox. > > Okay, so what exactly does that mean? > > -- > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:38:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D936C for ; 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Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:38:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:38:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Error messages when booting up machine and starting KDE From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:38:37 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/10/6 Carmel > I have observed these messages being written to the system log when > initially booting up the machine and then starting KDE. > > Oct 6 08:16:09 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Activating service > name=3D'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' (using servicehelper) > Oct 6 08:16:09 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Activating service > name=3D'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' (using servicehelper) > Oct 6 08:16:09 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Successfully activated > service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' > Oct 6 08:16:09 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Successfully activated > service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' > Oct 6 08:16:09 scorpio console-kit-daemon[5917]: WARNING: kvm_getenvv > failed: > Oct 6 08:17:32 scorpio console-kit-daemon[5917]: WARNING: Error waiting > for native console 1 activation: Device not configured > Oct 6 08:18:13 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Activating service > name=3D'org.freedesktop.UPower' (using servicehelper) > Oct 6 08:18:13 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Successfully activated > service 'org.freedesktop.UPower' > Oct 6 08:18:14 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Activating service > name=3D'org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' (using servicehelper) > Oct 6 08:18:14 scorpio org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper: > QDBusConnection: system D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. > Application may misbehave. > Oct 6 08:18:14 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Successfully activated > service 'org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' > Oct 6 08:18:20 scorpio kernel: pid 6286 (kwin_opengl_test), uid 1001: > exited on signal 11 (core dumped) > Oct 6 08:18:40 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Activating service > name=3D'org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' (using servicehelper) > Oct 6 08:18:40 scorpio org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper: > QDBusConnection: system D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. > Application may misbehave. > Oct 6 08:18:40 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Successfully activated > service 'org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' > Oct 6 08:18:46 scorpio dbus[5896]: [system] Failed to activate service > 'org.freedesktop.Avahi': timed out > Oct 6 08:18:55 scorpio pulseaudio[6346]: module.c: module-detect is > deprecated: Please use module-udev-detect instead of module-detect! > Oct 6 08:18:55 scorpio pulseaudio[6346]: oss-util.c: '/dev/dsp0' doesn't > support full duplex > Oct 6 08:18:55 scorpio pulseaudio[6346]: oss-util.c: '/dev/dsp1' doesn't > support full duplex > Oct 6 08:18:55 scorpio pulseaudio[6346]: oss-util.c: '/dev/dsp2' doesn't > support full duplex > Oct 6 08:18:55 scorpio pulseaudio[6346]: oss-util.c: '/dev/dsp3' doesn't > support full duplex > Oct 6 08:18:55 scorpio pulseaudio[6346]: oss-util.c: '/dev/dsp6' doesn't > support full duplex > Oct 6 08:18:56 scorpio pulseaudio[6352]: pid.c: Daemon already running. > > I am particularly interested in the two "WARNING" messages (5 & 6); the > "core dump" (item 12); the "timed out" (item 16) and the last one, > although that one appears to be harmless. Is there something I should > be doing to correct these apparent problems? > > -- > Carmel =E2=9C=8C > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:40:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FCB422 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x244.google.com (mail-ob0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33EB929AC for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f196.google.com with SMTP id wp18so203530obc.3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:40:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mk3bFUdOgoAQL2hDhnPoHVGTjxROGJmKpQ1hq1miEHI=; b=bhUQkkWvS0fPmTtMOSJL5SUrY8f1gukd0ihdW9KyX0iHXMvQAqTSfuT+XtgEdmraf4 iFo2/d6IDIM0yOcZ2qGOrRWhuaGE/QBif5yRlspeNvVXA/aC4SLXQcv9FMaPm2NAyyWg uih9Scnp/kGFedphkx9e5DeRaYZv1xU76PsBw3JMocCrDqkK6xJ+3/c4BpXn8yhOCWBt Xpj8w1AFPOSqgN7YRX5+nr4+I27MsXaC3+VPAKxrbqWTqdCVAZLDfNZ+GvvhRHyT3hQP y28fxLCaUdOPgZ8qT/f/cgOxKqkkOXFeOFJ1mSMXRtbIjMr3eoCl7Byx5kY8yJGEzgzN xuxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.219.198 with SMTP id pq6mr3921739obc.58.1381858813690; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:40:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <44d2np1p5k.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <44d2np1p5k.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:40:22 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/9/30 Lowell Gilbert > Antonio Olivares writes: > > > Dear folks, > > > > In updating ports I encounter above issue and cannot proceed. > > > > 20130929: > > AFFECTS: users of x11/pixman > > AUTHOR: zeising@FreeBSD.org > > > > The library version of x11/pixman has changed, and portrevision has > > been bumped in all dependent ports. If you have external software that > > depends on pixman, this software needs to be recompiled. > > To recompile all software dependent on pixman, run: > > > > # portmaster -r pixman > > or > > # portupgrade -rf pixman > > > > The messages are that a pkg texlive-ub*.... and that #!/bin/sh list > > too long. I try to run > > # portmaster -d -r pixman -x 'texlive-*' > > but it still fails in the same place :( > > I continued with portmaster's "-R" option and got a lot further. You > could try either that or the command line that portmaster suggests > when it bails out. > > > I am using texlive-freebsd from Romain Tartiere's googlecode page in > > case it is important. Please advice me so I can succeed to fix these > > issue. I lost X because I failed to read the /usr/src/UPDATING advice > > and then I realized that I overlooked this :( > > I don't think that texlive is relevant; if you continue the process > instead of starting from scratch, you'll probably get farther. > > I'd prefer to actually debug the problem at its root, but it's the > middle of the night and I don't seem to have enough brain cells awake > to figure anything out. > > Good luck. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:44:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF506AE for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x244.google.com (mail-ob0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 489D82A18 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f196.google.com with SMTP id wp18so203558obc.7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SmWBQaWQsZx9nWjDY+Lk3UyOlNdlaOZdPqpZ0xbabIQ=; b=onG8QebUKj2E4viJVIS60lSMIfWZvNBtHrOwXo36usB6V6TrBktI06eBOWp9idEt+1 sEcW+w5y3/7l+XNBmHJx9guWchGxGgEpxmXsQSv0K18GJ2wQdNjmUbS9lXcJZwvEO1al UWw9S1g3TAg3r9VD4Yf/GdYjdv7jKqIZMUv2yudVEOI4FMe0ziREMAnyKEsDJqtEA+Z/ tV+cG0D/LQfHrl1Nin46L+h97CXS7D3KNVRVnBZAqPOM7eOexS3ZA3SDWhmrvC4p1j7g uUaoemxhfa3YY/YvHeekOMpmWaiXdDHuis8SwHhk/8p/7SOaQYUVpcfXm2/8HM0VCQ/a ku7Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.242.37 with SMTP id wn5mr3930970obc.56.1381859092512; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.100.233 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Voice Mail required QuickTime From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:44:53 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/9/26 Carmel > I have a voice mail account with Time Warner Cable. I can access the > account from my home telephone, Windows PC, etcetera, but not from my > FreeBSD machine. This error message pops up when I try to play the > recording on the web site: > > To play audio online, you must have QuickTime Player installed. > > How can I make this work from my FreeBSD machine? > > -- > Carmel =E2=9C=8C > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 17:45:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350EF755 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x235.google.com (mail-qc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECF642A2E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q4so6269808qcx.12 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+inir1XgJrSVhxMt/rwKDA7rw18OpHyVCP4w9ZmuQrQ=; b=mf2BLm6nqNhPXhkzhHnumd2T+QLhlahVnnN2sHSRWMQ/gELTWS896BafO6JXHcak/K 001wM32ckywRov3NXqb0FFaUc1VIjSWXY4ns70WauAF0pUuRdP6lSEtDVD8EYgjAYYTa T6e5PJW9m/hcoy+VlMnjFMHmz2CNLzY6XiNbOONJD1UUJZe5N9P/gq0rGQUVXesSLFo6 Mp7obbtI0runuKA5YbkbaM2YqV1QCZKEHVDfirHX+I2iJSkoT5VrspN6jsN5Ng4xT8IO fj28VJs8mGq7N7pFvWqKveecVUv9o7c8ROEQzopV0OnQ7Q+E4ZtEjsjm6sJ7n7Y1xc2+ zOHg== X-Received: by 10.224.23.1 with SMTP id p1mr44496807qab.17.1381859152066; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-72-87-59-52.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net. [72.87.59.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b10sm44805895qeg.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:45:32 -0400 From: Ajtim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: portaudit Message-ID: <20131015134532.5f6f92bd@lumiwa.farms.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:45:53 -0000 Hi! I trid to install portaudit on FreeBSD 10.0-BETA1 #0 r256420: Sun Oct 13 01:43:07 UTC 2013 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 and I got: Installing for portaudit-0.6.1 /usr/sbin/pkg_info missing, please install port sysutils/pkg_install-devel ***Error code 1 IMO I am using the new pkg which works and I didn't have problem with installing Xorg for example. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 18:08:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEFDC99 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Received: from mailrelay005.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay005.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8992C6C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:08:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmUGABeEXVJbsXIr/2dsb2JhbABagwfDNIEiF3SCJQEBBVYjEAsYCSUPKh4GE4gKvW2PSgeEJQOQKodZkgODJjo Received: from 43.114-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([91.177.114.43]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2013 20:08:26 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9FI8OBt004534; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:08:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:08:18 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Ajtim Subject: Re: portaudit Message-ID: <20131015200818.6a21574c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <20131015134532.5f6f92bd@lumiwa.farms.net> References: <20131015134532.5f6f92bd@lumiwa.farms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/1SI8US_yhbXPUuLM=VyDnWN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:08:34 -0000 --Sig_/1SI8US_yhbXPUuLM=VyDnWN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:45:32 -0400 Ajtim wrote: > I trid to install portaudit on FreeBSD 10.0-BETA1 #0 r256420: Sun Oct 13 = 01:43:07 UTC 2013 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC a= md64 >=20 > and I got: >=20 > Installing for portaudit-0.6.1 > /usr/sbin/pkg_info missing, please install port > sysutils/pkg_install-devel > ***Error code 1 >=20 > IMO I am using the new pkg which works and I didn't have problem with > installing Xorg for example. With pkg you don't need portaudit. See pkg-audit(8) manpage. --Sig_/1SI8US_yhbXPUuLM=VyDnWN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iF4EAREKAAYFAlJdhJcACgkQfoCS2CCgtiv6ygD/STDgaObuzuM/w9RFs67jAKtl 9om5o75v7cYkzu1+on4A/0uP206tTNxzG5xmG7crOXBDzPzHnQBeK7jZ8Yz/vr2g =r149 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/1SI8US_yhbXPUuLM=VyDnWN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 19:52:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13D8AB1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:52:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aymeric@kuri.mu) Received: from borok.kuri.mu (borok.kuri.mu [193.170.194.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B2923D5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from treefort (s5375ff16.adsl.online.nl [83.117.255.22]) by borok.kuri.mu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0CFCE0085 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:46:32 +0200 From: Aymeric Mansoux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative Message-ID: <20131015194632.GB1705@treefort> References: <86li1uzi1l.fsf@gly.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86li1uzi1l.fsf@gly.ath.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:52:48 -0000 Joseph Mingrone said : > yudi v writes: > > > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep my > > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a copy > > on an external party's server. > > The ports net/unison or net/unison-nox11 might fit the bill. +1 I have been using unison for a while over ssh and it works flawlessly and is incredibly fast. The downsides are the necessary star network topology (I wish btsync was free software) and the lack of mobile gadgets clients (you can sync using unison on Android from a Debian chrooted/overlayed installation if you are OK to not sync some info like file ownership, but that's quite tedious to setup and use). a. -- http://su.kuri.mu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 20:18:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A63470 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 730F22542 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz1so9579088pad.2 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JAX00/8Sxfd00gyy+hzXVwIwvkTNvrnYh12gH6ru9Hs=; b=mdIdoTXQi2t2z1ALkbG3mJXMJZnXayM2CzRNlxb2dpHQJqMR6UM+5xFJO57YgyGdzG MqCdBCQgyOd4nOid8S6fFzP9AimudlkB9/9vCx6sXrNOxMHcrGvEUQQV7ia6oE7mWh4N eeu/a3GS474VRa+uAakkQkZx6dOKpQjRUz43xB7RGfNf/ciwR9DjoXQWeCdY8+lgqY4a c9QZpN1GCawEAmp0/alj9VXvoMM0PEXTGWR8RnPiocDrudSEQWF4+wq8GXJ+pwQa+8wV yQ8nRDUAZaoBl93XGhH/mis7utrMB0qLqgRM/fEA1CXm44HBTRZLbmgMpOr2sXK/rEhN wc4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk5QHhdYdOqcb/NmTOn7prazm7H6jqdJrecoYYmxKyV4H5HW/zri7cseq0o4WPMoRE7X8a/ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.178.229 with SMTP id db5mr33070236pbc.5.1381868288470; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.5 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131015194632.GB1705@treefort> References: <86li1uzi1l.fsf@gly.ath.cx> <20131015194632.GB1705@treefort> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative From: Alejandro Imass To: Aymeric Mansoux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:18:14 -0000 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Aymeric Mansoux wrote: > Joseph Mingrone said : >> yudi v writes: >> >> > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to keep my >> > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a copy >> > on an external party's server. >> >> The ports net/unison or net/unison-nox11 might fit the bill. > > +1 > > I have been using unison for a while over ssh and it works flawlessly > and is incredibly fast. The downsides are the necessary star network > topology (I wish btsync was free software) and the lack of mobile > gadgets clients (you can sync using unison on Android from a Debian > chrooted/overlayed installation if you are OK to not sync some info like > file ownership, but that's quite tedious to setup and use). OK, so question: is anyone using it with FreeNAS (e.g. http://socalfreenet.org/freenas) ?? If it really works with FreeNAS would be an effective DropBox replacement including the cloud portion. Best, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 15 20:26:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36AA897 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-x233.google.com (mail-pd0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DFB125E9 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id v10so9356469pde.38 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vG3L+14xp+Ro9Z4vIHWfpUuD/U0WzsYhwOoLjQHKYC0=; b=UZMN6Ykiku4W1zq+GxXE9adBsfPJjDhmfPvJ6C13y3S/olfUbp0inWtOBfW7wpj6+T JCQ/porD38Bf/bKRmrSCyjHq8+qTrOM/UM8GIvFS6GcI6R4quF5YiaRwLwYRZ5mKN9kb yIRFAoHU8oazAq97VydVJIBahK0h89phXRwE8ZLpCHO54uNvFvrsrPChxHIxdYnGJouy PlSvxkNyVVl4gPrDxa8TG9DJCt0QgdeQm7X5AZ1dvkbZ7gdiggVEfnT+48dICmD3tD4C 9PdyodRioIqTUv/MLVmtFzRaxzXKG0v4KUjxovrNOdOZ8GsTuAGX8HMkBHlV7NAdVmZk VfMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.178.143 with SMTP id cy15mr45552640pac.105.1381868814191; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative From: Adam Vande More To: yudi v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:26:54 -0000 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:21 AM, yudi v wrote: > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? > NFS. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 00:09:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD7DBED for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x231.google.com (mail-qa0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F8A82209 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i13so132340qae.1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2T6vlz2w+DmLHsS8AXQCwGnz6zCYdPZPm59PTwwyUig=; b=a+i+dBTw0MZiEb4ic6JRbg0oIsl6FXZSunA2KxfH+40PPxGImjbz9tDNsb53fSBjmN oEPRvmMhk2ReilE6rTaPv+a/Z2ccZxHwY/9aGtG6VJQhhBxt+Q8BYadbb64MBlHixlJi 3+iOJircFmNzeBduJxLXzkpNfJj6J+5aCzqf/Og2qLhUppjDeOKV79PnmHarJCubX13l u5zvEAkYf8pwBViskQ9HG7/dIR+U0ZAm8Imc4xUEanGfUz5JsxjtQM0ygZfKBL9qaSeE U1vWXDfaEnQmQ6XmU9TAr16QGmf/EDsASxJ7u8RpuVYX4SBKNU/BnIOYOf4P3Q5y5Btn uTdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.45.197 with SMTP id g5mr940086qaf.2.1381882181747; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.25.236 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130930083034.7d5bf2ff@scorpio> References: <20130930083034.7d5bf2ff@scorpio> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Contributing to FreeBSD From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:09:42 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/9/30 Jerry > On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:16:54 +0530 > karan garg articulated: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am an open source enthusiast and new to freeBSD community. I am an > > RHCE and have a reasonable knowledge of linux administration, > > database, Bash Scripting, and C/C++. > > > > I want to contribute to the community. I have gone through the FreeBSD > > handbook, and list of various projects under the community. However, > > I was unable to determine a suitable project for me to get started. > > So, I would really appreciate if you could help me find a project > > that would require my field of knowledge. > > > > Also, I wish to apply for GSOC-2014 and have checked the ideas page > > but found the similar problems as above. > > > > Also, if you could give me a link of resources and handbook for me to > > go through before starting to contribute. > > Well, if you really want a suggestion, you could try updating the > "linux_base-f10-10_7" port that was released by Fedora on November 25, > 2008 to something newer, say the Fedora 19, released July 2, 2013. > > -- > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 02:35:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D061B45B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:35:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B35E2839 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id ep20so67104lab.34 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:35:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=coJwgFhNKxEZwqIzJoT+AOTW4nC1VKi2guY5IUDbm88=; b=bVDdKOi7BojVdBtqEw+ajW0IU9TE0akIzwQ8OKuQNkfA2/2HeohezY1fg/xj5ggqSj H/vyn1Ho/QcMISpXCjA2Jt4YKcHeCBDV2JvHLc+o7O5gFRjfVr3HmzOg9vXJUjCgxTEe aZwGpOG6/qo2YfE2IlJreQlg3eSnTLxDPvSW7W7NC8MHpYg0JfpYcjlCQqueb6YTg1V3 O7AUEOh6PqmrddbGeP10+dyQFXhS+zKg9ZNJuuJP8T1NXxLomxoMbQrnZ5WCN/OuFw77 nO9VGky88WBxBq5BH9xnv+S5LnMWHL06IEcoifpmTPksVqeOes5U1idQGh2O9e0IrtRT UQjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.130.138 with SMTP id oe10mr611068lbb.1.1381890932399; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:35:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:35:32 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: yudi v To: Frank Leonhardt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:35:34 -0000 > > APC BackUPS Pro 420 to keep three HP microservers alive. What!? Yes, it > works. The power they draw varies greatly depending on what type and how > many drives you have in the bays and (I think with the Microservers) their > processing workload. > Nice to know you got 3 servers running off a 420 VA unit, surprising it can handle 3 units when the power goes off. > All servers are, by definition, connected to the network. They can ping > equipment nearby (just do it from a shell script). If they ping several > pieces of kit on the LAN that don't have a UPS and get no reply, repeatedly > for a few minutes) then it can be assumed something's up, and they can shut > down. As a cross-check they can ping other kit on a UPS and if that's still > alive it proves the NIC is okay. In the event of a suspected failure the > script writes what it's done in a log, emails it to me (for later) and > calls shutdown. > > Nice implementation but I want to have my back-up server in S1 state when not in use, running PING constantly is not possible. Also, I don't have so many devices that need UPS. > > So, what I look for in a UPS is a good automatic self-test (i.e. a "smart" > one) and a standard and easy to change battery (the 7Ah type are cheap, > plentiful and are thus well refined). > > Agreed, having a standard and easy to change battery is preferable but how do I tell what type of battery an UPS takes? I am also looking at APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA 230V, within my budget, it's got AVR, and user replaceable battery, but cannot tell whether it accepts a generic one. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 02:44:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5C4886 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22a.google.com (mail-lb0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7870B28D7 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w7so214947lbi.1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:43:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uEt8zxx8o6mlntdn9GdDmITsuXlFz+GuVji4k+uGKTs=; b=gx7MHGTzEq+MuQS4ZZDLahjkJdPH+uIPJZbFBGv0I+i0kflMEJJIRfR/n5lasRxkCF qN+mK4ZSQ7rn/Y3Zjntcv/ITgtSEtOiWiLHhxZPrJbF/KIpHOvcDreUNEs+n8ncakwT8 XTvNV+GIUkD6NyzVN8nef5O3Td7qoPGXCYluIzbhCsBnIsn6RGl1iICTGRrRK1rQ8mY9 EmjTwqjL6hF2ElcxMN0yg8cw5iy0cC2lp8bphUsNVo5tQmrWlX1/o4ac1A4chs1y/S6N 4uCvzU3xHP+POWw1VZso8mJ0qc0uQsNMAmOh8a2/sLGuImFAgdJLPI4okreNNNMbfUUA McZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.159.166 with SMTP id xd6mr700382lbb.22.1381891438548; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:43:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:43:58 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: yudi v To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:44:02 -0000 > These are very expensive UPS systems when new, but can sometimes be found > at school and local government auctions for about 3% of retail price. The > batteries are always bad, but not difficult to replace. Well, the rackmount > ones are stuck in with double-sided tape, and take some convincing. These > are standard sealed lead-acid batteries, used for building emergency > lights, alarm systems, and well, computer UPSes. > > Sounds wise but unfortunately I cannot find any used ones. > The Back-UPS units are better than nothing, but avoid the fat power strip > style. > why would you say avoid the fat power strip ones, they are the low end ones but they have the standard plugs unlike the more expensive ones. I really don't want to spend more than $200 ore even less if possible. My server only cost me $500. As I have mentioned previously someone wants to sell an unwanted APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA 230V, they got with their new PC for half price, I am thinking of going for it. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 05:43:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF00B8C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:43:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E59C821F6 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:43:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=4X60fgSyJIyLB6f/ilUDoi2xXR1OdqLEPYhlMptYyD8=; b=RHpTqDPY0LcEHmgBYjdoKkZofTj8CBBvDnkKHbDwb8YDOnXSbA+I+YSbR8I7vEHHaTO57AzU2duzMsvNKhNHuLKwHNHpcgBivFh5XYaGzJ2q/5pKZZ24P1HuiIrtLOrrAZ7cxnvANVxU4Ihnfa+e6BrM7s5ihoe9JuBi7GAnT8w=; Received: from [39.194.176.141] (port=20573 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VWJt9-003PKM-9Y; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:43:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:43:11 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: yudi v Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Frank Leonhardt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:43:23 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:35:32 +1000 yudi v wrote: > > > > APC BackUPS Pro 420 to keep three HP microservers alive. What!? > > Yes, it works. The power they draw varies greatly depending on what > > type and how many drives you have in the bays and (I think with the > > Microservers) their processing workload. > > > > Nice to know you got 3 servers running off a 420 VA unit, > surprising it can handle 3 units when the power goes off. it is caused by the good design of the server's power supply unit. > > how do I tell what type of battery an UPS takes? APC tells you to use theirs. But you can take the battery out and ask a battery dealer if there is a replavement available. > I am also looking at APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA > 230V, This sounds like a perfect deal if the price is well below USD 200. > within my budget, it's got AVR, and user replaceable battery, but > cannot tell whether it accepts a generic one. > It will be possible in a private environment to use the battery of the same type which is a bit smaller in size. The connectors seem to be standard connectors. Your URL shows the two battery types the UPS works with. Ask a search engine if there are compatible batteries available. This is the case for many APS models I know. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 07:48:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7655CB for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com (mail-lb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2900027F1 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y6so383102lbh.35 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xcShBCKUdxWuDn5baY7CUMKX29RFTCvzrWlWAydWFEw=; b=FPeOGJsi07qJjh6lYBjhmlvwO6c10u8q+Lg2DgvnKbsIZDguGcIrOGQEoKwpTQbnuF jNoPJi/BZkEvMEWxHuCDhgW6CZFfEIsXKS++0Dl9uFQa90yx0vZG42nUym6DGDm0wfOE 7PLi4hZ8bYB2Rf2Sd97pdj++R4qxOFfgfWRQnaVnkY8J6ADDb/WyumbIvCopEmH/nAvQ T2dInMXl/2G+YsoJ7/IreU4eII1beqkOPwlnHdZzYxXodaSbGEW+byfTPvCjHKSQPGib Dg1nE4VyDmKW9JOUZTtWwu6rXCo4poVrzkBaCcRGFcyu3xTXoWnv32yhEtR1qHpKCJYg en/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.89.100 with SMTP id bn4mr1679055lbb.16.1381909693993; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:48:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131015194632.GB1705@treefort> References: <86li1uzi1l.fsf@gly.ath.cx> <20131015194632.GB1705@treefort> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:48:13 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative From: yudi v To: Aymeric Mansoux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:48:16 -0000 Out of all the options presented so far, Unison is the one that closely matches my needs. It's bidirectional, runs on different platforms (not mobile), and can be used with SSH. Most other options listed here are of server/client design, they have their strengths but my main priority is to reduce the risk of data loss to the absolute minimum. Synching the data across three different devices should make the data loss very unlikely and also having them locally will give me instant access I wish btsync was open sourced as well. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Aymeric Mansoux wrote: > Joseph Mingrone said : > > yudi v writes: > > > > > Is there a dropbox alternative for use within LAN? I would like to > keep my > > > files synched across all my personal devices without having to place a > copy > > > on an external party's server. > > > > The ports net/unison or net/unison-nox11 might fit the bill. > > +1 > > I have been using unison for a while over ssh and it works flawlessly > and is incredibly fast. The downsides are the necessary star network > topology (I wish btsync was free software) and the lack of mobile > gadgets clients (you can sync using unison on Android from a Debian > chrooted/overlayed installation if you are OK to not sync some info like > file ownership, but that's quite tedious to setup and use). > > a. > -- > http://su.kuri.mu > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 08:34:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD949B5 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x22a.google.com (mail-qa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E2162AA3 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id w8so4283381qac.15 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:34:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=h6KHcQfosn1Fzeab8n/w9QQsTZ/WUd4AK/3gAwF7dUY=; b=FF7dvz89NLXFf+volIytLvpkGNfcm4TSY/GTG42fpWZTpxg73+mKKVEHaXKq1LLqaj czS8FH/Q+sX+R3Dwwy7PmDHH6OntuNQvTCUIv56CEn0tG/u4VYDtpyaidX/pYgDfXAtW B6pM1TJCkOnV2xzCq/NaS/8i1vCXKYG9f7g4pB5QWDoE0icCHol4XgxYemEVAa3PaiKX K9TrN9qTyhv4U050Wtl5BJ1IQxLw6UJtO9ALH/VM1PUAwdZT1/Sk5Qqm47fXVFQzPpby CEwIVndX9bpUGSi1/BtkBL6tI9JPAIBo4NvqGFwo9I5hnUOQl6a6Hq6K8RXyT1UgXuoL YCSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.35.144 with SMTP id h16mr1993610qej.35.1381912497247; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.55.77 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:34:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:34:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [zfs] root mountpoint From: krad To: Anton Sayetsky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:34:58 -0000 legacy is better if you want boot environments, or multiple os installations on the pool. Which gets mounted as root is controled by the bootfs property of the pool. You can work it another way, by setting the mountpoint as / and fiddling with the canmount property (solaris 11 uses this in its boot envs) Below is a test installation of a freebsd vm im playing with [root@f10 /home/krad]# zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT rpool 5.07G 25.0G 32K /rpool rpool/ROOT 4.00G 25.0G 31K legacy rpool/ROOT/2013101601 1K 27.0G 937M legacy rpool/ROOT/root 937M 26.0G 937M legacy rpool/system 1.07G 25.0G 31K /rpool/system rpool/system/home 39K 25.0G 39K /home rpool/system/obj 18.8M 25.0G 18.8M /usr/obj rpool/system/ports 31K 25.0G 31K /usr/ports rpool/system/src 870M 25.0G 870M /usr/src rpool/system/tmp 35K 25.0G 35K /tmp rpool/system/usr-local 97.7M 25.0G 97.7M /usr/local rpool/system/var 105M 25.0G 105M /var On 15 October 2013 12:31, Anton Sayetsky wrote: > Hello, > I decided to install FreeBSD on ZFS root. In almost all guides i saw > the following recommendation: > zpool create -o altroot=/mnt zroot /dev/${device} > zfs create zroot/var > zfs create ... > ... > zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot > zfs set mountpoint=/var zroot/var > zfs set mountpount=... > ... > reboot > > So we're setting mountpoins for all first-level childs of zroot. > > Why just don't use the following simpler setup, when mountpoint set only > once: > zpool create -o altroot=/mnt zroot /dev${device} > zfs set mountpoint=/ zroot > zfs create zroot/var > zfs create ... > ... > reboot > > I've tested both ways, the second also works perfectly but requires > less commands to enter. Can anybody explain me why I can't see > recommendations to set mountpoint=/ for zroot instead of > mountpoint=legacy? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 08:51:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2977DF49 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from eu1sys200aog124.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog124.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.157]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 822C62BD4 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com ([74.125.82.177]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob124.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUl5ThxInML7n8Df6brpY22DjcVdABlsi@postini.com; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:51:47 UTC Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id x55so356672wes.8 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:message-id:to:subject:reply-to; bh=W7Mw2zXXToAOtbENS1TVJz0fK93pskC5GKDe9+q/JSs=; b=C/OuwDJgDvWxAy8Up7Uj45VuDPuBuByhy+xp+y7saw9VFYcrdIbEF8D9BBsrBHJM8S ZrCNAyw8ZMYpqZZzA4jkIvWs1HBy/fX7yYNVtD2CxnzCzdyjySWZpmYicun7KbXQXWLk 3g/BtpBcbNfYSR9DTfe4dWfmzMRzcKJVCazGUOyWJDjQ1PtLIhF+5dX+i6DQGgTprPOl 207Rj07DlNCVOnYTvJ7sf/sCUXinqoLYszCyexo7jGJXvBas1p+b5igk6PSKdaFZ+Yv6 MpTayInI3srCVxkH81W0mBU3o9jO1q8+kafMvMUgNTGfV+xhWSO1CHJw69a6JTMfmxP2 e7vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkMWkMDOg1Sh+qVS7CXmRqYXZujlwxm7aRq7f501090mKGii897E/2wTGzUgRs53JR8HzLIqfEvw2bl9XizOzXLiZyy5sJn2nOre7JhSnWSfcH8Rx0G+P6R/BpH/AAoHnXAcpTLnzuPdMMv0Fswj3/zzQEzx+w42AQ734s5Tul1G7pYAeVJ5lv1fD1oQib9mXoVcJfv X-Received: by 10.180.74.209 with SMTP id w17mr1262025wiv.7.1381913479787; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.74.209 with SMTP id w17mr1262019wiv.7.1381913479706; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs15sm3706117wib.10.2013.10.16.01.51.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r9G8pETI010580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:51:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id r9G8pERx010579 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:51:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:51:14 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201310160851.r9G8pERx010579@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: is disk dead? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:51:48 -0000 da2 at mpt0 bus 0 scbus1 target 1 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da2: 320.000MB/s transfers (160.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit) da2: Command Queueing enabled da2: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Logical unit not ready, cause n # gpart create -s gpt /dev/da2 gpart: provider: Operation not supported by device # dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da2 bs=1m 0+0 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes transferred in 0.004509 secs (0 bytes/sec) # dd if=/dev/da2 of=/dev/da2 bs=1m dd: /dev/da2: Device not configured 0+0 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes transferred in 0.000462 secs (0 bytes/sec) # Anything else I can try? Or just dump it? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 09:01:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C966535B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 893C22C7B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.139.178.99] (2.150.36.148.tmi.telenormobil.no [2.150.36.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF89A2E06E; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:01:10 +0200 (CEST) References: <201310160851.r9G8pERx010579@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <201310160851.r9G8pERx010579@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: is disk dead? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:01:02 +0200 To: "mexas@bris.ac.uk" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:01:20 -0000 On 16. okt. 2013, at 10:51, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Anything else I can try? smartctl -a /dev/da2 After installing smartmontools-port. Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 09:08:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EB9B6D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from eu1sys200aog120.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog120.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B4FA2D03 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob120.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUl5XnboMmomzudHe9olrGScI3AgBZ1l2@postini.com; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:08:53 UTC Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b13so4476272wgh.2 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:message-id:to:subject:cc :reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=u9Z8slISpiPKq+TtbQ5evEmf3CBL41je2WF7ace6QF4=; b=SvDzBS2TYnxp30WfZhv4ek/wG7mZP/RyfoW8etC0IAOJq/kvs0yK66k2dXPZXDtaOz 4X65aH1EZRRonzvQbYmSxOQDCIVrdBAU4FK278Fps7rdxI1AhR29LxYzkArbvKaHOxPh /7DbnppnstCELzJGTDG2gUpRytlzS//f8Btomo97xA9BKmqh0Mh++HmyyqYRze0/P3iK YSYOaJQ74NgiqUf6rJ5gg6QVxlabLf5KBY06+u2szCFyksFf78bWY7SWYzRWvp5VhFMX /ejOy2DKHTt1qYB3cK2XPFOZV7I2efsndJ7FxwXrQ1FLj4BAurYO37DH94W+/67JVyiY wI1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlA8n1S8Z2WOe4Xp6PGNjRGxT2RdUDhJO9hDT7X/jpd0mARbNHvt2Qjxg4HUz8NZR75AMlW3h7izBDBYgxX3q0TDuYkoqnqrAiaSQvxJZsil3e0gpKVPBTsDZXlH5hZIy2YoQExKASquAThhqwSI6N0H9YePLF9viuVpWaj0/S5zWAKB5pzuw7Jmv4zdx9mg8jtNPf4 X-Received: by 10.194.122.99 with SMTP id lr3mr1375954wjb.21.1381914525709; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.122.99 with SMTP id lr3mr1375944wjb.21.1381914525633; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e5sm3891218wiy.2.2013.10.16.02.08.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r9G98g61012551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:08:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id r9G98gOe012550; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:08:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:08:42 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201310160908.r9G98gOe012550@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: mexas@bris.ac.uk, terje@elde.net Subject: Re: is disk dead? In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:08:54 -0000 >From terje@elde.net Wed Oct 16 10:02:18 2013 > >On 16. okt. 2013, at 10:51, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> Anything else I can try? > >smartctl -a /dev/da2 I guess it is dead: # /usr/local/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/da2 smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT ia64] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Vendor: HP 73.4G Product: ST373454LC Revision: HPC2 Logical Unit id: 0x50011c60021f59b4 Serial number: 3KP07AZJ00007534SDRH Device type: disk Local Time is: Wed Oct 16 10:07:33 2013 BST device is NOT READY (e.g. spun down, busy) A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. # Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 09:28:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2668570E for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp.eutelia.it (mp1-smtp-6.eutelia.it [62.94.10.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66382E1C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ns2.biolchim.it (ip-188-188.sn2.eutelia.it [83.211.188.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eutelia.it (Eutelia) with ESMTP id 82A8E687ED7 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-161-224.41-151.net24.it [151.41.224.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns2.biolchim.it (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9G9SBdk003845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:28:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: ns2.biolchim.it: Host adsl-ull-161-224.41-151.net24.it [151.41.224.161] claimed to be soth.ventu Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9G9S5x1083116 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:28:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <525E5C25.5070305@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:28:05 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NFSv4 security Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ns2.biolchim.it [192.168.2.203]); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:28:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:28:25 -0000 Hello. Since I replaced my server with a 9.2 one, I'm playing with NFSv4 to test it. However something does not work as I expect and I'm not sure if I understand it correctly or am doing some mistake. Server side, this was my export: >/usr/home /usr/ports -maproot=root 192.168.0.15 To enable NFSv4, I changed it like this: >V4:/ 192.168.0.15 >/usr/home /usr/ports -maproot=root 192.168.0.15 (Of course, in the example above, I could root V4 at /usr, but this is going to grow; besides, this is not the point). Now, on the client, I can: >mount -o nfsv4 192.168.0.1:/usr/ports /mnt/temp/ or >mount -o nfsv4 192.168.0.1:/usr/home /mnt/temp/ Both work. Now, let's try to break in, going where I don't think I should be able to go. >mount -o nfsv4 192.168.0.1:/ /mnt/temp/ This is allowed; no surprises; quoting "man nfsv4": > The > nfsd(8) allows a limited subset of operations to be performed on non- > exported subtrees of the local file system, so that traversal of the tree > to the exported subtrees is possible. Well, let's try it: > # ls /mnt/temp/ (no output) Fine. > # ls /mnt/temp/usr > .snap bin games home include lib lib32 libdata libexec local obj ports sbin share src Strange, I though I would get an empty list here, too (!!!!). > # ls /mnt/temp/usr/bin/ > CC chsh file ipcs mailq pawd soelim users > Mail ci file2c jobs mailx perl sort uudecode > addftinfo cksum find join make perl5 split uuencode > addr2line clang finger jot makeinfo perror sscop vacation > afmtodit clang++ flex kadmin makewhatis pfbtops ssh verify_krb5_conf > ... What??? /usr/bin is not needed to get to /usr/home or /usr/ports/. > # touch /mnt/temp/usr/bin/newbin > # ls /mnt/temp/usr/bin/|grep newbin > newbin Hell! This is NOT supposed to work, as far as I understand it. Why this? Did I understang the docs wrong? (Besides, can someone give any link to a good description of how and why this tree thing was introduced?). Is this some sort of interaction with older NFS? Is something wrong with the following fragment of my server-side rc.conf: > #New NFSv4 config > rpcbind_enable="YES" > rpcbind_flags="-ls" > nfs_server_enable="YES" > nfsv4_server_enable="YES" > nfsuserd_enable="YES" > #Old NFSv3 config, might be removed in the future > nfs_server_flags="-u -n 8 -t" > nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" > rpc_statd_enable="YES" > rpc_statd_flags="-p 918" > rpc_lockd_enable="YES" > rpc_lockd_flags="-p 868" > #mountd_enable="YES" > mountd_flags="-p 685" bye & Thanks av. 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To: mexas@bris.ac.uk, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:51:45 -0000 2013/10/16 Anton Shterenlikht : > >From terje@elde.net Wed Oct 16 10:02:18 2013 >> >>On 16. okt. 2013, at 10:51, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> >>> Anything else I can try? >> >>smartctl -a /dev/da2 > > I guess it is dead: > > # /usr/local/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/da2 > smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT ia64] (local build) > Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > Vendor: HP 73.4G > Product: ST373454LC > Revision: HPC2 > Logical Unit id: 0x50011c60021f59b4 > Serial number: 3KP07AZJ00007534SDRH > Device type: disk > Local Time is: Wed Oct 16 10:07:33 2013 BST > device is NOT READY (e.g. spun down, busy) > A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. > # > > Thanks > > Anton Looks like disk is really dead. It failed to start spindle, so READY flag cannot be set. 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In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:01:40 -0000 >From vsjcfm@gmail.com Wed Oct 16 11:00:11 2013 >2013/10/16 Anton Shterenlikht : >> >From terje@elde.net Wed Oct 16 10:02:18 2013 >>> >>>On 16. okt. 2013, at 10:51, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>> >>>> Anything else I can try? >>> >>>smartctl -a /dev/da2 >> >> I guess it is dead: >> >> # /usr/local/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/da2 >> smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT ia64] (local build) >> Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org >> >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === >> Vendor: HP 73.4G >> Product: ST373454LC >> Revision: HPC2 >> Logical Unit id: 0x50011c60021f59b4 >> Serial number: 3KP07AZJ00007534SDRH >> Device type: disk >> Local Time is: Wed Oct 16 10:07:33 2013 BST >> device is NOT READY (e.g. spun down, busy) >> A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. >> # >> >> Thanks >> >> Anton >Looks like disk is really dead. It failed to start spindle, so READY >flag cannot be set. Thank you Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 10:45:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D2A569 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x22b.google.com (mail-qa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B21E92353 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i13so4378681qae.9 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 03:45:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hfnNAMWZVcJ8oZBd3EJW/yU1z9VXecvtp4/J+v2chVY=; b=eoSr4Nz9qHf8N/uQA6Qvd4/4YU1G1AycX4dLJrFQ9y1n7pggBFY7h+lDGwI2uxKsnq JtsBW362+1C1pBuxVlhqjyzEyeBy49SeS5nSVhpZYvfLleUTsySSUesp9EqF85551tjf Shkefh5TOV2vFAaNV5PU5sf+wdL3LAGZ/ftFKboiKGwLSHA13TvEJDjL48DU429n6j0y K5/2rFsL5vfW0osG10k5VhNi27LaEkToU3v0iic/UIyRVT06AE2BopetXgJVkq2OJVJU WB0rbMmZwEQ2VIKUagIhKR11Z2/yHpEeqYIPe/DfllarVk8camLVWCy1x5pJDr2H88R3 5G6w== X-Received: by 10.49.110.36 with SMTP id hx4mr2488412qeb.93.1381920312807; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 03:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-72-87-59-52.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net. [72.87.59.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a5sm37590612qae.2.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 06:45:02 -0400 From: Ajtim To: Tijl Coosemans Subject: Re: portaudit Message-ID: <20131016064502.7b28e226@lumiwa.farms.net> In-Reply-To: <20131015200818.6a21574c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> References: <20131015134532.5f6f92bd@lumiwa.farms.net> <20131015200818.6a21574c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:45:14 -0000 On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:08:18 +0200 Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:45:32 -0400 Ajtim wrote: > > I trid to install portaudit on FreeBSD 10.0-BETA1 #0 r256420: Sun > > Oct 13 01:43:07 UTC 2013 > > root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > > > and I got: > > > > Installing for portaudit-0.6.1 > > /usr/sbin/pkg_info missing, please install port > > sysutils/pkg_install-devel > > ***Error code 1 > > > > IMO I am using the new pkg which works and I didn't have problem > > with installing Xorg for example. > > With pkg you don't need portaudit. See pkg-audit(8) manpage. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 10:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB52B31 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1F7323F0 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9GAsf0h052697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:54:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525E7071.1080209@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:54:41 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131015200708.70057bba@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20131015200708.70057bba@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:54:45 -0000 On 15/10/2013 13:07, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:09:15 +0100 > Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 15/10/2013 06:07, yudi v wrote: >>> I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver >>> n40l, >>> it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. >> As to the "compatibility", I do the myself. All I want it to do is >> shut down gracefully if the power fails - nothing more. And this is >> how I do it: >> >> All servers are, by definition, connected to the network. They can >> ping equipment nearby (just do it from a shell script). If they ping > this is real cool. You can then also control when to shutdown. This is > the problem I have here. I will not shutdown for a few minutes of no > power. You certainly can - you can send warning emails, log short power cuts and do whatever you want in a script. One thing I do is write a file to a share on a Windows box and have it shut down when it sees the file exists. >> As to the "run time", there are lies, damn lies ans statistics. I >> once tested a load of them for an article in PC Magazine and took > Did you get always new devices or the devices these companies ship from > magazine to magazine? > > Batteries age also by the number of charge-discharge cycles. Actually, battery capacity can also improve if cycle them. With most battery technologies the peak capacity develops after several cycles. How deep do the cycles have to be? That's a really good question! Lead Acid is different to NiCd which is different to NiMH which are different to each of the the many Lithium types. The problem I had with equipment reviews wasn't usually getting a knackered sample; quite the reverse in fact as manufacturers would sometime send kit that was "review tuned" in order to get better coverage and they knew with thrash whatever we had to test. A favourite trick was to find a server hard disk in a desktop. Standard equipment? I don't think so. Favourable editorial mentions were worth tens of thousands in advertising. Those were the days! I ended up writing a lot about batteries (too geeky for most hacks, and once commissioning editors got the idea...) The one thing I learned from the experience is that most of what you think you know about batteries is closer to folk lore. Bearing this in mind, I believe that leaving the gel lead-acid batteries float-charging in a UPS kills them over time, whether you cycle them or not. (As does leaving them to self-discharge on a shelf for years). Hence my suggestion to change them every couple of years in critical applications. Batteries are cheap, as long as you don't need weird sizes. Trashed hard disks are expensive! Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 11:26:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F7B226 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EEB125A2 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VWPEk-0001ZJ-QM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:25:58 +0200 Received: from cs78160219.pp.htv.fi ([62.78.160.219]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:25:58 +0200 Received: from jarmo.hurri by cs78160219.pp.htv.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:25:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jarmo Hurri Subject: Re: Dropbox alternative Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:25:47 +0300 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <874n8hihj8.fsf@syk.fi> References: <86li1uzi1l.fsf@gly.ath.cx> <20131015194632.GB1705@treefort> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cs78160219.pp.htv.fi User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:R4rm4laPtJ3RWHVVUev5YKv4Nvs= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:26:04 -0000 yudi v writes: > Out of all the options presented so far, Unison is the one that > closely matches my needs. It's bidirectional, runs on different > platforms (not mobile), and can be used with SSH. > Most other options listed here are of server/client design, they have > their strengths but my main priority is to reduce the risk of data > loss to the absolute minimum. Greetings. My situation is not identical to yours, but there are similarities, so I am offering my 2 cents. The following is most certainly much, much more hassle than any prepackaged system, but I am pleased with the result as far as risk of losing data is concerned, and you did state that your main priority was to reduce the risk of data loss to "the absolute minimum". I had to make similar decisions some time ago. I read about unison, but did not consider it to be industrial strength (tm), so decided to avoid it. I ended up doing the following: - One of my devices is a primary device from which I take backups using rsync. One of these backups is to a local NAS, another to a remote site (I sincerely think that one backup must be physically separated because of fire risks etc.). The local rsync keeps a history using the option --link-dest: http://www.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html The remote rsync is to a machine with ZFS keeping a history of 7 days with snapshots. - Rsync has no idea of user actions, so I do not use it to keep the different devices syncronized. It could not handle file corruption. I use a version control system to keep _valuable_ data syncronized: version control knows user actions, and I can access a previous state if something becomes corrupted. I use git, but it could be something else as well. Data is on devices in local repositories, and they share a common remote repository. This remote repo could be anywhere. Some of my remote repos are on github, some of them are elsewhere. I have one repo for system configuration, one for emails, one for a book I am writing etc. Most of my valuable data is text, since at work I use LaTeX, and most of my other stuff is in org mode: http://orgmode.org/ I synchronize the git repos explicitly (manually), but do have some scripts to help the task. For example, one script goes through all git repos and reports if they are not in sync with the remote repo. - Data that is not critical - e.g., music - is not in version control. Such data I upload initially to my primary device, from which it is rsynced to backups, and then I pull it to other machines from the backup if I need it. Have fun! Jarmo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 15:42:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36F897E for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74D16278F for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9GFgSg9008855; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9GFgSc2008852; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:42:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: yudi v Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:42:36 -0000 On Wed, 16 Oct 2013, yudi v wrote: > The Back-UPS units are better than nothing, but avoid the fat power strip style. > > why would you say avoid the fat power strip ones, they are the low end ones but they have the standard plugs unlike the more expensive ones. > I really don't want to spend more than $200 ore even less if possible. My server only cost me $500. The fat power strip style are the lowest-end, lowest-quality, cost-reduced ones. In the US, all of the models up to 1500VA use the same plugs. Consider UPS cost as relative to the value of your data. That is what it protects, ultimately. > As I have mentioned previously someone wants to sell an unwanted APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA 230V, they got with their new PC for half price, I am thinking of going for it. They are okay. Not sinewave power, but otherwise not bad. I have the 120V version on one machine. They only have one 12V 8AH battery, so not a lot of time on battery. I would not run multiple machines off one unless a wattmeter verifies the total load is well under 300W, and would try to stay lower yet for longer time on battery. It also depends on the type of power failures your area experiences. If they are mostly momentary blinks, battery time is not as big a concern. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 16:44:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A182D0 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x235.google.com (mail-qa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB90D2B39 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k15so832460qaq.12 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YEDRbVtOT88n84RkgCklLWaR1I7bXI0Q9qYH+t/k0PU=; b=DmUGsxHQxenAu5vYbZAUYv4Qu1KksC0goYCpqadBYtasdfdwYP7QeiG/tagwL68Ph2 3NsXuXjc+MfA/UndMTohhCicGs5bqDUCpwRlefGaIcHfs6humdeo9HWymxrU0kyaCL7S TQizoLYFDKKrymKvO2LtWTcKFIQSFsAoXlUeohRnx7ylkLRjyciMYP2FDdnpG+BF6X9a oT4nwIBrcE9i1bXuWPTwbcRJXKF1PL9RYjvfAdLxtLj+A1LT9gVaFHwqKFf7aCdZj1Wr z7mzmEZ+Q0ILKVEFlLVJ20ZHwD9RIcBcFv3CKgXpsbPUdfNGE6RZckGj0z96Fpfv6KA2 EN9Q== X-Received: by 10.229.244.8 with SMTP id lo8mr5268813qcb.20.1381941891180; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-72-87-59-52.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net. [72.87.59.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 4sm166339807qak.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:44:41 -0400 From: Ajtim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: claws mail - spellchecking Message-ID: <20131016124441.2d76f3cf@lumiwa.farms.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:44:52 -0000 Hi! I am a new user of Claws Mail which works very good but I don't know how to set up spell checker. I have installed aspell and hunspell but Claws Mail didn't find them. In Preferences -> Spell Checking both dictionaries are empty. I use Xfce 4.10. Thank you. Mitja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 17:08:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE59DB5 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4042C80 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id 6355D5F30C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:00:23 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=Vk0GW+GrBuIpLEPQAw4+pO2MxYRIAz9NBBnGlmz5ydyUqevUVQCLPbwJ9mS6Y5k3qSb2j/TPHwUuLA8kf4PelBkVhpGHT0AQWKyBzfhKQz77qddQKbLEo1GshH2j08pmrzKl08zwFXc/x1Dv1CbSoVDKk05AKBtsnXIAKg7KM7s=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from webmail.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPA id 91AFA5F2D2 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 131.77.1.84 by webmail.dabus.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:00:22 -0600 Message-ID: <0ea73527bdc8f867706f2a72e2c9c210.squirrel@webmail.dabus.com> In-Reply-To: <20131016124441.2d76f3cf@lumiwa.farms.net> References: <20131016124441.2d76f3cf@lumiwa.farms.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:00:22 -0600 Subject: Re: claws mail - spellchecking From: "Eric S Pulley" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:20 -0000 > Hi! > > I am a new user of Claws Mail which works very good but I don't know > how to set up spell checker. I have installed aspell and hunspell but > Claws Mail didn't find them. In Preferences -> Spell Checking both > dictionaries are empty. I use Xfce 4.10. > > Thank you. > > Mitja You need to install an aspell dictionary package for you language of choice. I think they are in ports/textproc. i.e ports/textproc/en-aspell for English. -- ESP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 17:31:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F49382 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A20A92E49 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id v1so754332qcw.33 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Nr5MV1CL4UCkpI+B4KYe8v5aW33Ijk0lAz7PSRCUtBY=; b=zMCNN7OmattfdtQw0ukO9XFxETKAbpFGv/6qKFof4Nel3aDqcvmAre+2CXDTTH5cbP nS9Zzhu1Qdzprs4JhsGmbUdtXVe9pWhJ7sA+sCvo94Y7PtpBXJSS+nuKFKQ6e3vIm3kr nLVjTKQwBzaFlvAuuTcA35PVCfnto/g2A8006al9BgkZDwLKAOLxJO+QvJwijgXcHJQ9 vcb61Gb4doOAmAU+8nnO/lN0UuUA/8ZfX1NHxeEj6da4T2/eqr0Ji53OISm3WEq4dpkD bbLSEJsSj6gUJEuiIEaLp5TzD8WOdrkIHzqs3r4Z5w+IsypE9pxOjKr9Hai1J1G1bUsD 3rmQ== X-Received: by 10.49.58.225 with SMTP id u1mr5448605qeq.55.1381944665773; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-72-87-59-52.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net. [72.87.59.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm169364083qag.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:30:55 -0400 From: Ajtim To: "Eric S Pulley" Subject: Re: claws mail - spellchecking Message-ID: <20131016133055.77856db7@lumiwa.farms.net> In-Reply-To: <0ea73527bdc8f867706f2a72e2c9c210.squirrel@webmail.dabus.com> References: <20131016124441.2d76f3cf@lumiwa.farms.net> <0ea73527bdc8f867706f2a72e2c9c210.squirrel@webmail.dabus.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:31:06 -0000 On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:00:22 -0600 "Eric S Pulley" wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I am a new user of Claws Mail which works very good but I don't know > > how to set up spell checker. I have installed aspell and hunspell > > but Claws Mail didn't find them. In Preferences -> Spell Checking > > both dictionaries are empty. I use Xfce 4.10. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Mitja > > You need to install an aspell dictionary package for you language of > choice. I think they are in ports/textproc. > > i.e ports/textproc/en-aspell for English. > Thank you very much. It works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 17:37:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7582548 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com (mail-wg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 337722E8B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id y10so1077433wgg.8 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:37:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4hJlzFeBdPcjLv9CLjczCNtIXB/8aQvIzZz9AXjqEkE=; b=gQyMoShqjE218eUTSKK05CwdQaMPWBoxYqUnSzFiqzcxLgOY/m/eHmeFQyK1jyrQGZ OYtrj8R/efKoYc+OX2jukmv9Hl3aiRlv5WKx+GexI9YBWKBQ0MU4ey4DdpZSrpyewhgE pQyqJhgs5PiSCBToHlLJ9tgYQwhmJp9V6pCEF60nojbNl2+jpZze8eRX2S/Kw+DHXgrR t64PxtgqncOxo3mh2NNjJ6SiNnTWjz2sBrPYVDAw2qSAlDbtIFhnnHPGFJdI0tV0V1yo YXYtkrpKtq1oGTnv1I8xQLSEnfGnwMMGDGYceF8azsxz2IJ5CVCvqyfgQ6ZNGW/ad9lB dvOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.173.163 with SMTP id bl3mr3607126wjc.10.1381945047073; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.93.6 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:37:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:37:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Johan Hendriks To: Frank Leonhardt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:37:29 -0000 Op dinsdag 15 oktober 2013 schreef Frank Leonhardt (frank2@fjl.co.uk): > On 15/10/2013 06:07, yudi v wrote: > >> I am planning on buying an UPS to protect my HP microserver >> n40l >> >**, >> it will be running FreeBSD 9.2 RELEASE. >> >> I am looking at >> APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS >> 3112> techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=**BE700G%2DAZ&total_watts=400 >> > >> >> is that supported by apcupsd? (already tried apcupsd mailing list, there >> was no response, hence asking here) >> If not, please recommend one that is supported. >> >> The HP server has a 150W PSU and the UPS is rated at 400Watts, and it >> comes >> with USB monitoring support. >> >> Also, how to measure exact power consumption by a device? >> >> >> > I've been watching this thread with a bit of interest. For what it's worth > I run several UPS units at various location (about forty) and FWIW I tend > to avoid the cheap ones although I've not actually had a problem with them. > It's just when I open the case I don't like the manufacturing quality. I'm > using (right here) an APC BackUPS Pro 420 to keep three HP microservers > alive. What!? Yes, it works. The power they draw varies greatly depending > on what type and how many drives you have in the bays and (I think with the > Microservers) their processing workload. > > As to the "compatibility", I do the myself. All I want it to do is shut > down gracefully if the power fails - nothing more. And this is how I do it: > > All servers are, by definition, connected to the network. They can ping > equipment nearby (just do it from a shell script). If they ping several > pieces of kit on the LAN that don't have a UPS and get no reply, repeatedly > for a few minutes) then it can be assumed something's up, and they can shut > down. As a cross-check they can ping other kit on a UPS and if that's still > alive it proves the NIC is okay. In the event of a suspected failure the > script writes what it's done in a log, emails it to me (for later) and > calls shutdown. > > Why don't I use a special driver? First off, one UPS may be powering more > than one server but only one can be connected (and I've got a few *BIG* UPS > units covering a whole rack). Secondly, UPS units need servicing, which > means they get swapped. Unless you have just one type you've got more than > one protocol to contend with, and is that USB or RS-232? It quickly becomes > a pain. I want to be able to swap any UPS for any other and still have > automatic shutdown without messing with the server hardware/software. > > So, what I look for in a UPS is a good automatic self-test (i.e. a "smart" > one) and a standard and easy to change battery (the 7Ah type are cheap, > plentiful and are thus well refined). > > As to the "run time", there are lies, damn lies ans statistics. I once > tested a load of them for an article in PC Magazine and took very little > notice of what the manufacturer said. They normally have the same battery, > and without breaking any laws of physics they're going to run for pretty > much the same time unless they're using a cheap and inefficient inverter, > in which case the energy gets dissipated as heat and you'll know it. > Inverters are a done deal now - just buy the chip - I wouldn't expect much > variation. The only performance difference you're likely to find is the > output current, and the transistor it flows throug - if it's weedy it will > overheat/burn out, but that takes time. You pay more for sustained higher > output currents, but may very well not need them. As to the run-time, > that's always down to the battery capacity. Buy a new one every two years; > don't wait for the load test to fail. > > Regards, Frank. > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Frank, I like the idea of the power canary so to call it. Would you mind and share the script? Thanks. Regards Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 17:58:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D54A2A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jorgeassembler1@outlook.com) Received: from col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CB52FC6 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from COL127-W43 ([65.55.34.200]) by col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:58:43 -0700 X-TMN: [co5s27/F87Ln97SnpCRElVYzxk0DOHJY] X-Originating-Email: [jorgeassembler1@outlook.com] Message-ID: From: Jorge Luis Carvalho Santos To: Subject: It is the duty of the developer Freebsd say that the BSD Daemon is his beloved imp? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:58:47 +0300 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2013 17:58:43.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A1D74D0:01CECA99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:58:49 -0000 It is the duty of the developer Freebsd say that the BSD Daemon is his belo= ved imp=2C wait for user choice to get used to the scratchy noises of daemo= ns? Wonder if it is the duty of the developer Freebsd say this because the titl= e 17.3. how many FreeBSD hackers does it take to change a lamp? says in part: "Eleven to the idea of creating a smaller lightbulb tha= t could fit in Their Tamagotchi if we ever decide to port FreeBSD to such platform=2C "and I understand that only those who can decide the Freebsd po= rt for this platform are the developers of Freebsd or am I misunderstanding= ? = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 20:51:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94A72A2 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957E22A15 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44DF1703E; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:44:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frank Leonhardt , yudi v , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:51:38 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:35:32 +1000 > yudi v wrote: > >>> APC BackUPS Pro 420 to keep three HP microservers alive. What!? >>> Yes, it works. The power they draw varies greatly depending on what >>> type and how many drives you have in the bays and (I think with the >>> Microservers) their processing workload. >>> >> Nice to know you got 3 servers running off a 420 VA unit, >> surprising it can handle 3 units when the power goes off. > > it is caused by the good design of the server's power supply unit. >> how do I tell what type of battery an UPS takes? > > APC tells you to use theirs. But you can take the battery out and ask a > battery dealer if there is a replavement available. > >> I am also looking at APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA >> 230V, > > This sounds like a perfect deal if the price is well below USD 200. > >> within my budget, it's got AVR, and user replaceable battery, but >> cannot tell whether it accepts a generic one. >> > It will be possible in a private environment to use the battery of the > same type which is a bit smaller in size. The connectors seem to be > standard connectors. > > Your URL shows the two battery types the UPS works with. Ask a search > engine if there are compatible batteries available. This is the case > for many APS models I know. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha, I have 4 battery backups that I think are the older big brother of the one that Eric is using. APC 900. I have replaced the batteries with external Stationary Batteries. (Look like truck batteries, but have small bolt on connections for backup systems.) I have them hooked up in a cage beside the backups in my shed. I have used the backups for up to 10 hours of uptime as a test. Here in Hawaii on Oahu island where I live, power outages are common. Many people have installed solar now since a car hitting an electric pole is almost a daily problem. As is a contractor digging and breaking cables. Corroded fuses blowing on power line transformers are also a major problem on any Pacific island. One of my clients went down for 7 hours during the busy time last week for business. They do have backup for gracefully shutting down computers that lasts about 30 minutes, so they can get the customers cashed out with their purchases, ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 21:12:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA8BA62 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 122A72B3E for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9GLCNUv081173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:12:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:12:24 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:12:32 -0000 On 16/10/2013 03:43, yudi v wrote: >> These are very expensive UPS systems when new, but can sometimes be found >> at school and local government auctions for about 3% of retail price. The >> batteries are always bad, but not difficult to replace. Well, the rackmount >> ones are stuck in with double-sided tape, and take some convincing. These >> are standard sealed lead-acid batteries, used for building emergency >> lights, alarm systems, and well, computer UPSes. >> >> Sounds wise but unfortunately I cannot find any used ones. > > >> The Back-UPS units are better than nothing, but avoid the fat power strip >> style. >> > why would you say avoid the fat power strip ones, they are the low end ones > but they have the standard plugs unlike the more expensive ones. > I really don't want to spend more than $200 ore even less if possible. My > server only cost me $500. > > As I have mentioned previously someone wants to sell an unwanted APC > Smart-UPS SC 420VA > 230V, > they got with their new PC for half price, I am thinking of going for it. > At the risk of going off-topic: as Warren has pointed out, not all UPS units are the same. In fact, many units calling themselves a UPS are actually backup power supplies, which switch over to battery if the mains fails. Common usage definitions vary, but to my mind, in USP the output should be supplied by the battery all the time, while the mains constantly recharges, so there is no switch-over whatsoever. The quality of the mains voltage they produce also varies - it might be a pure sine wave (as if the mains always was!), or it might be something else. If it's going through a switched-mode power supply afterwards I don't see this as a big issue - the only thing I'm worried about is whether it keeps the computer (HP Microserver - back on topic briefly) running when Gonzo does something to the mains. Audio amplifiers and radio equipment might be another matter, but the switcher found in practically every computer does such unspeakable things to the input mains anyway I can't get to excited about how close to a sine wave the output actually is. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 16 21:28:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503DC37E for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE92C01 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:56370] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9F/B4-02506-FE40F525; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:15 +0000 Message-ID: <9F.B4.02506.FE40F525@cdptpa-oedge01> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Disable devices at boot time? X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:16 -0000 Is there any way in FreeBSD to disable or enable devices on boot? NetBSD has a flag -c (userconf) to boot that does this, if it works. I tried it, but it immediately hung the computer, requiring Reset button. Man page can be viewed at http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?boot++NetBSD-current Section on userconf is -c Sets the RB_USERCONF flag in boothowto. This causes the kernel to enter the userconf(4) device configuration man- ager as soon as possible during the boot. userconf(4) allows devices to be enabled or disabled, and allows device locators (such as hardware addresses or bus num- bers) to be modified before the kernel attempts to attach the devices. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 01:05:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA37A90A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A72D72696 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C912FCC98 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48894-02 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [205.147.16.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 169A02FCC97 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:05:22 -0700 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Can't upgrade lzip port X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:05:30 -0000 After upgrading an amd64 system from 9.1-RELEASE to 9.2-RELEASE, 'portmaster -af' failed because it couldn't fetch a current version of lzip-1.14. I've pasted the error below. I tried contacting the port maintainer and ports@freebsd.org last week but haven't heard back. And the freebsd.org packages directory has lzip-1.13, not 1.14. Is there some other means of completing the ports reinstall? This system has at least one other port with lzip dependencies. Thanks! dn $ portmaster -af .. ===>>> Returning to dependency check for archivers/lzip ===>>> Dependency check complete for archivers/lzip ===> Cleaning for lzip-1.14 ===> License GPLv3 accepted by the user ===> lzip-1.14 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found => lzip-1.14.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles//. => Attempting to fetch http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) => Attempting to fetch http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) => Attempting to fetch http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles// and try again. *** [do-fetch] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/lzip. ===>>> make failed for archivers/lzip ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Killing background jobs Terminated From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 01:23:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEB1605 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4340C27AF for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:23:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=v79jxpBdkSuR0GBqHwZfq2zV2JfCU0gsGzeSZ7aNqMc=; b=awj2zAFGKFqTK4LcsMdHXu5q8KY7elbg9VppMoJfBI+H6YWaxHnb2l2O24P0LgpQhD/TdQpsnPJjZQliL4RrmCZsJKMAlb/M0AndJHrfAGOb2jDBMHMYwMX9NSA6uyH6+Frwk0EQzZ/t3t0YcitnfX98P0PQYS7w2R0qJknKSk8=; Received: from [39.194.172.110] (port=65216 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VWcJC-001W5I-N7; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:23:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:23:19 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: noc@hdk5.net Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Frank Leonhardt , yudi v , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:23:37 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -1000 Al Plant wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:35:32 +1000 > > yudi v wrote: Aloha, > > I have 4 battery backups that I think are the older big brother of > the one that Eric is using. APC 900. I have replaced the batteries > with external Stationary Batteries. (Look like truck batteries, but > have small bolt on connections for backup systems.) I have them > hooked up in a cage beside the backups in my shed. I have used the > backups for up to 10 hours of uptime as a test. how long does it take to recharge the battery? > > Here in Hawaii on Oahu island where I live, power outages are common. The moment the name of an island sound so good that you want to live on it, they have problems with electricity. I am currently in Bali which is not so bad but Jawa is real bad if you do not live near the power station. > Many people have installed solar now since a car hitting an electric > pole is almost a daily problem. As is a contractor digging and > breaking cables. Corroded fuses blowing on power line transformers > are also a major problem on any Pacific island. One of my clients > went down for 7 hours during the busy time last week for business. > They do have backup for gracefully shutting down computers that lasts > about 30 minutes, so they can get the customers cashed out with their > purchases, > What are 7h down-time? Just a coffee break. It happens in Jawa very often. Diesel generators are a good investment there. Erich > > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + > < email: noc@hdk5.net > > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis > Carrol > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 01:38:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB15961 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 337142836 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:38:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=tALno1M922Xpz7NNcHah6fJFkyizwTH5MJmNWHspPg0=; b=sGbxjtTDM+JDZ8EU/1xo6AyH51NxNg0S5GUimO+trCXQBbeOUXBMoTekgWsbCViZRTbhLQZRmLREtJEQW+5NITDnVvsNjcl1kDsegJc+nVyUw/eZJHA3drG0+O1wBbOaX+QkmtJE/SQdWJpdMAKu+FsvP5tdG5osKfZCwFMYoLM=; Received: from [39.194.172.110] (port=57274 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VWcXk-001bBU-2k; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:38:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:38:20 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:38:30 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:12:24 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 16/10/2013 03:43, yudi v wrote: > > At the risk of going off-topic: as Warren has pointed out, not all > UPS units are the same. In fact, many units calling themselves a UPS > are actually backup power supplies, which switch over to battery if it is a rare event to see the on-line version here. Of course, they are much better when it comes to wave form and switch-over time. The wave form is very close to a sine wave and they do not have to switch over as they are always providing the power. But you also must see the cost. You loose about an extra 10% of electricity in the system. So, it is also a cost factor. > the mains fails. Common usage definitions vary, but to my mind, in > USP the output should be supplied by the battery all the time, while > the mains constantly recharges, so there is no switch-over > whatsoever. The quality of the mains voltage they produce also varies > - it might be a pure sine wave (as if the mains always was!), or it > might be something else. If it's going through a switched-mode power > supply afterwards I don't see this as a big issue - the only thing > I'm worried about is whether it keeps the computer (HP Microserver - > back on topic briefly) running when Gonzo does something to the > mains. Audio amplifiers and radio equipment might be another matter, > but the switcher found in practically every computer does such > unspeakable things to the input mains anyway I can't get to excited > about how close to a sine wave the output actually is. As long your music source is not connected to the UPS. In addition, water pumps and hair dryers have an akward sound when it is not a sine wave. Ok, hair dryers are not important. Lights also go brighter when it is not a sine wave. Yes, there are strange things connected to an UPS if you live in some locations. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 03:42:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BC1629 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-x232.google.com (mail-pb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F23A2E8D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id uo15so321821pbc.23 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:42:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eDvkqtrB6TcovnlrAhxSxj4BRNu7nDFSVktE+0h3fXM=; b=Q9ibyDSRspHNt5xV6a7tW3M6nQ2zpdaUFxgQHs1YMK+dY5wWsAc73Ez2jafUsXz+Oi QI7jTDT3kbPvqf/nlxFmQ5N3OSXkLESLW7DQFiKZQ7d2PXhnZrsbaS8ri/LWrjXabJOX ZvFJKg4/x8TkAgwlC50pTyBYdakdmrbzJF67Pml4skL4BD8z8ZIgzIAN2aFpKQvAqQqm 8Imgq6h1+JI646XfwEp4vgOOMQQHUC56hPOFc6h7dRxbL8IOKY2jKKBgFsCZpfzUxL55 k4dbveQoRZ1cXulEDWMGk9wYI5OT4ZFrle5b8J8REOy5fkrNIsM5Bk5WBfSTtEziLug8 hPOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.221.233 with SMTP id qh9mr6204416pbc.103.1381981357433; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.218.136 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:42:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> References: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:42:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can't upgrade lzip port From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: David Newman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:42:38 -0000 On 16 October 2013 21:05, David Newman wrote: > After upgrading an amd64 system from 9.1-RELEASE to 9.2-RELEASE, > 'portmaster -af' failed because it couldn't fetch a current version of > lzip-1.14. I've pasted the error below. > > I tried contacting the port maintainer and ports@freebsd.org last week > but haven't heard back. And the freebsd.org packages directory has > lzip-1.13, not 1.14. > > Is there some other means of completing the ports reinstall? This system > has at least one other port with lzip dependencies. > > Thanks! > > dn > > $ portmaster -af > > .. > > ===>>> Returning to dependency check for archivers/lzip > ===>>> Dependency check complete for archivers/lzip > > ===> Cleaning for lzip-1.14 > ===> License GPLv3 accepted by the user > ===> lzip-1.14 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found > => lzip-1.14.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles//. > => Attempting to fetch http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found > => Attempting to fetch > http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: > Not Found > => Attempting to fetch > http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found > => Attempting to fetch > ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File > unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) > => Attempting to fetch > http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: > http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not > Found > => Attempting to fetch > ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File > unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) > => Attempting to fetch > http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: > http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: > Not Found > => Attempting to fetch > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz > fetch: > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File > unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) > => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this > => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles// and try again. > *** [do-fetch] Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/lzip. > > ===>>> make failed for archivers/lzip > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Killing background jobs > Terminated > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" If nothing you have depends on lzip (try "pkg info -r lzip" or "pkg_info -r lzip", depending), just run $ portmaster -x lzip -af Otherwise, googling around for "lzip-1.14.tar.gz" should get you the appropriate file(s). Maybe. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 05:23:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EFC660 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D26B2248 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9H5NCpL014127; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9H5NCJl014124; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:23:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion In-Reply-To: <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> Message-ID: References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Frank Leonhardt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:23:20 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:12:24 +0100 > Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 16/10/2013 03:43, yudi v wrote: >> >> At the risk of going off-topic: as Warren has pointed out, not all >> UPS units are the same. In fact, many units calling themselves a UPS >> are actually backup power supplies, which switch over to battery if > > it is a rare event to see the on-line version here. Of course, they are > much better when it comes to wave form and switch-over time. The wave > form is very close to a sine wave and they do not have to switch over > as they are always providing the power. > But you also must see the cost. You loose about an extra 10% of > electricity in the system. So, it is also a cost factor. Online UPSs are rare and expensive everywhere. Computer power supplies are not as sensitive as they once were, and the switchover time of standby UPSs is almost certainly adequate. About sinewave output: http://www.jkovach.net/projects/powerquality/ shows oscilloscope screens for an APC Back-UPS, Smart-UPS, and line voltage, and talks about the differences. Amusingly, the Smart-UPS provides a cleaner sine wave than comes out of the wall. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 05:45:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E263DB1B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:45:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (mail223c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCF22351 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:45:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.18.222] (e182018222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.18.222]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9H5iv5W016805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:44:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:44:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=fcYaPTsF c=1 sm=1 a=9ZWckcQGoISGt69KENXXDw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=n708INcB1CWsgRiXbL4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9ZWckcQGoISGt69KENXXDw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.525F795B.00AB, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:45:09 -0000 On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 23:23 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > Computer power supplies are not as sensitive as they once were, and > the switchover time of standby UPSs is almost certainly adequate. I don't own an UPS. Sometimes we've got blackouts here, long enough to effect a CRT monitor, but not always the computer is effected too. I wonder if it's possible to switch power off and on manually, very fast at a power board, without turning off the computer. I don't want to test it, but it could be possible. > Amusingly, the Smart-UPS provides a cleaner sine wave than comes out > of the wall. Filters?! I didn't read the link. Mains are polluted by lots of crap, e.g. by all the switching power supplies ;). I should mention that I was an audio and video engineer a long long time ago. IMO the quality of the power from the mains is much more important for audio and video, than for computer and even for audio and video it's significance often seems to be overrated. Likely that the capacitors in the power supplies of my home studio, that are much older than 20 years, are dried out, but I never repaired an old power supply, because there are no audible effects. Sure, the quality of the power should be good, but IMO it sometimes is overrated, just to have another value that can be used for advertisings. 2 Cents, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 06:29:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F94D3E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC3CB25DF for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:29:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=LjEQUlpVDK+Ol7S1izhNJODAdZPwflXjK1N5EK44aU0=; b=AhpjGbXDA47L00YXEoDVjc5k4cSRMi/2ee5I2eT9KGEU5u4wrOW4+DJzugbO2K0aDLNE1iFgjiY0eXqWlOVKVRkqwK6eg3YRXilrtgRPz1wL4z5i1LScB7jVTOuPGRPXLFbOQq+utPHSeRYfWlQ2EVKIjqHOaIlFJwBOJOW/SSg=; Received: from [39.194.172.110] (port=49662 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VWh5B-003Cal-C3; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:29:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:29:10 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:29:20 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:44:57 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 23:23 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > > Computer power supplies are not as sensitive as they once were, and > > the switchover time of standby UPSs is almost certainly adequate. > > I don't own an UPS. Sometimes we've got blackouts here, long enough to > effect a CRT monitor, but not always the computer is effected too. I > wonder if it's possible to switch power off and on manually, very fast > at a power board, without turning off the computer. I don't want to > test it, but it could be possible. good power supplies are able to provide electricity on its output for at least one halve cycle under full load. This gives you at least 10ms. > > > Amusingly, the Smart-UPS provides a cleaner sine wave than comes out > > of the wall. > > Filters?! I didn't read the link. Mains are polluted by lots of crap, > e.g. by all the switching power supplies ;). I should mention that I Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when the bigger machines started work. > was an audio and video engineer a long long time ago. IMO the quality > of the power from the mains is much more important for audio and > video, than for computer and even for audio and video it's > significance often seems to be overrated. Likely that the capacitors > in the power supplies of my home studio, that are much older than 20 > years, are dried out, but I never repaired an old power supply, > because there are no audible effects. Audio is a problem on a Back UPS. Even water pumps complain at lot. The better the sine wave is, the less noise you get. I believe you equipment has anlog power supplies which filter the noise from the power line much better. > > Sure, the quality of the power should be good, but IMO it sometimes is > overrated, just to have another value that can be used for > advertisings. Of course, but will the client pay for it? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 06:52:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4663269A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail56c50.megamailservers.eu (mail235c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94682736 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:52:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.18.222] (e182018222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.18.222]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail56c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9H6pJ6v017128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:51:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:51:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=Rfon/SRv c=1 sm=1 a=9ZWckcQGoISGt69KENXXDw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=Rp5P_ZARjCtxvWNEIMMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9ZWckcQGoISGt69KENXXDw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.525F88EC.003D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:52:43 -0000 On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when > the bigger machines started work. I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 07:05:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C8A8AA for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (mail50c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F319D27D3 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:05:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.18.222] (e182018222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.18.222]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9H75RQ5006841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:05:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1381993527.5852.49.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:05:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=bcncppzB c=1 sm=1 a=9ZWckcQGoISGt69KENXXDw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=8-3U5OmvWyEA:10 a=cPgUUzKUyh4mpBSACUIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9ZWckcQGoISGt69KENXXDw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.525F8C3B.0059, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:05:40 -0000 On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 08:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when > > the bigger machines started work. > > I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on > a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which > nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a > value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A > big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will > "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A > "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. PS: That was just a farm, so there were no electric arc furnaces or similar ;). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 12:15:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59F7EB2 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B9612A73 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9HCF3bs065362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:15:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:15:04 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:15:07 -0000 On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when >> the bigger machines started work. > I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on > a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which > nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a > value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A > big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will > "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A > "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. > > Most RCCB (aka ELCB, RCD) work (hereabouts anyway) work with counter-wound coils on the input and output of the supply such that he magnetic field is neutral if the current is the same. If it goes out of balance, it trips the switch. Normally 30mA difference is the rule. They don't have a value, as such. I heard that only 10mA is needed to interrupt your heart, but I've also heard 100mA. They're all potentially dangerous. It depends on the route taken by the current passes through your body - you'd have to try quite hard to get even 10mA in the wrong place, but I guess you could do it with rubber shoes and grasping the mains one your one hand and an earth spike with the other. I was taught to keep my left hand in my pocket when poking around stuff that might be live, and do it quite subconsciously. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 13:10:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F910F6D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (mail224c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6608C2E5D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:10:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.16.75] (e182016075.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.16.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9HDAJqr021908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:10:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> Subject: OT: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:10:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=fcYaPTsF c=1 sm=1 a=0bxhoDixTdruNpaC511lzg==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=moWwPUvkZ3AA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=s1ECjOW4NbDkS5jP66sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=0bxhoDixTdruNpaC511lzg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.525FE1BD.018E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:10:31 -0000 On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 13:15 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when > >> the bigger machines started work. > > I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on > > a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which > > nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a > > value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A > > big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will > > "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A > > "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. > > > > > Most RCCB (aka ELCB, RCD) work (hereabouts anyway) work with > counter-wound coils on the input and output of the supply such that he > magnetic field is neutral if the current is the same. If it goes out of > balance, it trips the switch. Normally 30mA difference is the rule. They > don't have a value, as such. I heard that only 10mA is needed to > interrupt your heart, but I've also heard 100mA. They're all potentially > dangerous. It depends on the route taken by the current passes through > your body - you'd have to try quite hard to get even 10mA in the wrong > place, but I guess you could do it with rubber shoes and grasping the > mains one your one hand and an earth spike with the other. I was taught > to keep my left hand in my pocket when poking around stuff that might be > live, and do it quite subconsciously. The one at home, in Germany called FI, has got a value of 0.03A for my flat, the one at the farm had a value of 1A. "Handelsüblich sind Fehlerstromschutz-Schutzschalter in der Bauart A für Bemessungsdifferenzströme von IΔN=10 mA, 30 mA, 100 mA, 300 mA, 500 mA und 1 A." - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehlerstromschutzschalter#Kennwerte The keyword is "Bemessungsdifferenzströme", sorry I can't translate it. 30mA is save, 1A will kill you, since it won't turn off the power if your body should become the resistor. As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an isolating transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get an electric shock if you only have contact to the phase and ground. You need to have contact to phase and neutral conductor to get a shock. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 13:15:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04C320C for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail51c50.megamailservers.eu (mail51c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBD42ED8 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:15:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.16.75] (e182016075.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.16.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail51c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9HDFYQB025374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:15:37 +0000 Message-ID: <1382015735.5852.100.camel@archlinux> Subject: OT: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:15:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=cL1XRCiN c=1 sm=1 a=0bxhoDixTdruNpaC511lzg==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=moWwPUvkZ3AA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=hznl8eCT-xUVuCxy3VcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Rt3q50SCGq50du4D:21 a=zII0bzoGDK_0ZvXJ:21 a=0bxhoDixTdruNpaC511lzg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.525FE2F9.011D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:15:46 -0000 On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 15:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 13:15 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > > On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > >> Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when > > >> the bigger machines started work. > > > I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on > > > a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which > > > nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a > > > value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A > > > big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will > > > "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A > > > "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. > > > > > > > > Most RCCB (aka ELCB, RCD) work (hereabouts anyway) work with > > counter-wound coils on the input and output of the supply such that he > > magnetic field is neutral if the current is the same. If it goes out of > > balance, it trips the switch. Normally 30mA difference is the rule. They > > don't have a value, as such. I heard that only 10mA is needed to > > interrupt your heart, but I've also heard 100mA. They're all potentially > > dangerous. It depends on the route taken by the current passes through > > your body Correct, I've got professional literature about this issue, but I'm to lazy top take a look now. Don't trust a RCCB! > - you'd have to try quite hard to get even 10mA in the wrong > > place, but I guess you could do it with rubber shoes and grasping the > > mains one your one hand and an earth spike with the other. I was taught > > to keep my left hand in my pocket when poking around stuff that might be > > live, and do it quite subconsciously. > > The one at home, in Germany called FI, has got a value of 0.03A for my > flat, the one at the farm had a value of 1A. > > "Handelsüblich sind Fehlerstromschutz-Schutzschalter in der Bauart A für > Bemessungsdifferenzströme von IΔN=10 mA, 30 mA, 100 mA, 300 mA, 500 mA > und 1 A." - > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehlerstromschutzschalter#Kennwerte > > The keyword is "Bemessungsdifferenzströme", sorry I can't translate it. > 30mA is save, 1A will kill you, since it won't turn off the power if > your body should become the resistor. > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an isolating > transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get an electric shock > if you only have contact to the phase and ground. You need to have > contact to phase and neutral conductor to get a shock. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 13:44:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E0025E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D60BE20DC for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9HDiN3o083811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:44:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525FE9B7.6080307@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:44:23 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:44:26 -0000 On 17/10/2013 14:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 13:15 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>>> Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when >>>> the bigger machines started work. >>> I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on >>> a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which >>> nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a >>> value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A >>> big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will >>> "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A >>> "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. >>> >>> >> Most RCCB (aka ELCB, RCD) work (hereabouts anyway) work with >> counter-wound coils on the input and output of the supply such that he >> magnetic field is neutral if the current is the same. If it goes out of >> balance, it trips the switch. Normally 30mA difference is the rule. They >> don't have a value, as such. I heard that only 10mA is needed to >> interrupt your heart, but I've also heard 100mA. They're all potentially >> dangerous. It depends on the route taken by the current passes through >> your body - you'd have to try quite hard to get even 10mA in the wrong >> place, but I guess you could do it with rubber shoes and grasping the >> mains one your one hand and an earth spike with the other. I was taught >> to keep my left hand in my pocket when poking around stuff that might be >> live, and do it quite subconsciously. > The one at home, in Germany called FI, has got a value of 0.03A for my > flat, the one at the farm had a value of 1A. > > "Handelsüblich sind Fehlerstromschutz-Schutzschalter in der Bauart A für > Bemessungsdifferenzströme von IΔN=10 mA, 30 mA, 100 mA, 300 mA, 500 mA > und 1 A." - > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehlerstromschutzschalter#Kennwerte > > The keyword is "Bemessungsdifferenzströme", sorry I can't translate it. > 30mA is save, 1A will kill you, since it won't turn off the power if > your body should become the resistor. > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an isolating > transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get an electric shock > if you only have contact to the phase and ground. You need to have > contact to phase and neutral conductor to get a shock. > > Bemessungsdifferenzströme = residual current rating (i.e. trip current). 1A! No good to stop a human being zapped, but might prevent a fire in the circuit. It'd be completely illegal in England, including in the workplace (I THINK). Certainly no more than 30mA for shock protection (or 10mA for low-voltage application like 110V. I know it's possible to fit 300mA where only fire prevention is needed; I've never seen anything higher than that, but I'm not an electrician. As you say, your friend was lucky! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:05:06 -0000 I'm using a 72gb swap disk. I've 10gb RAM I get this warning: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. What is max. recommended amount based on? What is the danger of exceeding it? How should I increase kern.maxswzone? # sysctl kern.maxswzone kern.maxswzone: 0 # Do I set it to the total swap size? Where is kern.maxswzone described? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 14:17:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515FECB2 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail36c50.megamailservers.eu (mail229c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C732323F3 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:17:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.16.75] (e182016075.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.16.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail36c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9HEGqvo019118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:16:56 +0000 Message-ID: <1382019413.5852.129.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:16:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <525FE9B7.6080307@fjl.co.uk> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> <525FE9B7.6080307@fjl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=Uc3mvtuN c=1 sm=1 a=0bxhoDixTdruNpaC511lzg==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=hQBWr5Cos4sA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=d9ZN522WpsUhizOFjW0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=0bxhoDixTdruNpaC511lzg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.525FF159.0018, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:17:06 -0000 On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:44 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 17/10/2013 14:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 13:15 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >>>> Industry is much worse. Their machines made early computers fail when > >>>> the bigger machines started work. > >>> I worked for an audio company. The audio workshops were rented rooms on > >>> a farm, and the boss missed to check the values of the RCCB, which > >>> nearly killed a friend. Bigger machines are a PITA ;). The RCCB had a > >>> value that high, that it was dangerous to life for an audio workshop. A > >>> big machine not only pollutes the mains, if you turn it on, it also will > >>> "eat" the complete power and lots of it going in, doesn't come out. A > >>> "normal" RCCB would turn off immediately. > >>> > >>> > >> Most RCCB (aka ELCB, RCD) work (hereabouts anyway) work with > >> counter-wound coils on the input and output of the supply such that he > >> magnetic field is neutral if the current is the same. If it goes out of > >> balance, it trips the switch. Normally 30mA difference is the rule. They > >> don't have a value, as such. I heard that only 10mA is needed to > >> interrupt your heart, but I've also heard 100mA. They're all potentially > >> dangerous. It depends on the route taken by the current passes through > >> your body - you'd have to try quite hard to get even 10mA in the wrong > >> place, but I guess you could do it with rubber shoes and grasping the > >> mains one your one hand and an earth spike with the other. I was taught > >> to keep my left hand in my pocket when poking around stuff that might be > >> live, and do it quite subconsciously. > > The one at home, in Germany called FI, has got a value of 0.03A for my > > flat, the one at the farm had a value of 1A. > > > > "Handelsüblich sind Fehlerstromschutz-Schutzschalter in der Bauart A für > > Bemessungsdifferenzströme von IΔN=10 mA, 30 mA, 100 mA, 300 mA, 500 mA > > und 1 A." - > > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehlerstromschutzschalter#Kennwerte > > > > The keyword is "Bemessungsdifferenzströme", sorry I can't translate it. > > 30mA is save, 1A will kill you, since it won't turn off the power if > > your body should become the resistor. > > > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an isolating > > transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get an electric shock > > if you only have contact to the phase and ground. You need to have > > contact to phase and neutral conductor to get a shock. > > > > > > Bemessungsdifferenzströme = residual current rating (i.e. trip > current). 1A! No good to stop a human being zapped, but might prevent > a fire in the circuit. It'd be completely illegal in England, > including in the workplace (I THINK). Certainly no more than 30mA for > shock protection (or 10mA for low-voltage application like 110V. I > know it's possible to fit 300mA where only fire prevention is needed; > I've never seen anything higher than that, but I'm not an electrician. > > As you say, your friend was lucky! I don't know for what usage 1A is legal in Germany, it's not my job or hobby. I didn't read the complete wiki and perhaps the wiki doesn't explain it. The friend and I also only know RCCBs with a residual current rating of 0.0xA, excepted of the exotic one at this farm. However, I've seen mains sockets installed, connected by thin speaker cables, diagonal mounted behind a styrofoam wallpaper in a girlfriends flat. This is forbidden in Germany. 1. Ground is needed. 2. Reasonable cables are needed. 3. An empty conduit for the cable is needed. 4. Diagonal is a no-go, there are sane rules how to install a cable. Btw. even for the sockets we have a _law_ in Germany, that ground has to be longer than the other cables and similar "trifles", but averaged hobby experts aren't aware about it. I guess German standards/rules/laws for all kinds of engineering are still the hardest on this planet, but in reality they are much too often violated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 14:54:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB55199 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0B94271C for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8E8527716; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:54:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9HEsNpF002514; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:54:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:54:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller" Subject: Re: Disable devices at boot time? Message-Id: <20131017165423.dd91fda6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <9F.B4.02506.FE40F525@cdptpa-oedge01> References: <9F.B4.02506.FE40F525@cdptpa-oedge01> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:54:38 -0000 On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:15 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Is there any way in FreeBSD to disable or enable devices on boot? There is /boot/device.hints with settings like hint...disabled="1" See "man 5 device.hints" for details. If you enter the loader prompt, you can also manually enable or disable devices. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 15:26:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B326D800 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:26:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22e.google.com (mail-we0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D9C429F6 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id u56so2456549wes.33 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:26:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pigvIBU0xOLZXhvKpivHLuo0qpfhq7wvVYm6mEe4g9E=; b=h00pKjz/IB8qzQTgnfMdO6GCRvMTnDyOXYVhp4p/yr9hUFf7YQerC6OUJWQvHoSQNS OlO9nxjzmgzoQEITFhwE73inPAgpZ6Ac6cUOQTKJc2b5V5Cct6AghyPmcsKW9BAd1Hkg jiUjuCJ77XufDfZ1x/Z1wKG0y946VhXbAQaxGLSt1j7wkVhfDF7a0pMCddh9if85zpvD xDdtE6ae4atPOHV7YC0rm8XC5Ha0LdxGKAlM/nkphTFVnCsw6GpvRXFmLhxyKmoCQ/lO Q0CFz6YFpxec867qh3OiK2fcmim0EJ8VSS9pSGRAIDBD0SP9Pb3ms/MhnxTfkx/tv3qu T+TA== X-Received: by 10.194.175.66 with SMTP id by2mr2214205wjc.59.1382023578489; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dq11sm17279028wid.3.2013.10.17.08.26.17 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:26:16 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). Message-ID: <20131017162616.70795c30@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:26:20 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:04:50 +0100 (BST) Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I'm using a 72gb swap disk. > I've 10gb RAM > > I get this warning: > > warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum > recommended amount (8243200 pages). warning: increase kern.maxswzone > or reduce amount of swap. > > What is max. recommended amount based on? > What is the danger of exceeding it? > How should I increase kern.maxswzone? > > # sysctl kern.maxswzone > kern.maxswzone: 0 > # > > Do I set it to the total swap size? > Where is kern.maxswzone described? $ sysctl -d kern.maxswzone kern.maxswzone: Maximum memory for swap metadata see also loader(8) However setting kern.maxswzone can only be used to reduce the metadata size below the default, not increase it. from swap_pager.c: n = cnt.v_page_count / 2; if (maxswzone && n > maxswzone / sizeof(struct swblock)) n = maxswzone / sizeof(struct swblock); n2 = n; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 15:27:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC85F93A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42EAD2A14 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9HFRmmI005768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:27:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <526001F5.1020505@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:27:49 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). References: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:27:51 -0000 On 17/10/2013 15:04, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I'm using a 72gb swap disk. > I've 10gb RAM > > I get this warning: > > warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). > warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. > > What is max. recommended amount based on? > What is the danger of exceeding it? > How should I increase kern.maxswzone? > > # sysctl kern.maxswzone > kern.maxswzone: 0 > # > > Do I set it to the total swap size? > Where is kern.maxswzone described? > > I went through this on an earlier version but didn't get any warning. You might find the answer here: http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 16:01:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763BFF48 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com (mail-we0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 126BA2D05 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id t60so2483374wes.40 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NbtxNYwpWuWRqaCGq9A2gMsQLMzdVlVj2woPfW69oD4=; b=QeMD9kHh63nTVZSe5DNMnsdjMDDn7VD3t5RKUQn9dHpKxnAIiVA4cAihh5fr4UzH9G +COeFofFhSN5Ue2Xih8YTVH4m5KRtGirBB9WZR461uK8x7Kzs6+Eh3lC7WPK+IdYyNBF 64modG7G1p4Om9N+6uOpRsarQ9lhe/l0XdI5YzhaVtvI4eZzZmtC24IcnBb8Q1DH72p8 pgd2HUDWXBmnj4X8Etc5TdK65TK0DV0GCwMEgFkQ4RYTnJhI7VvYFOjH+a5WgHkVoVUS EGkDML5+IV2QS5MvHvex7v558id2HMYb7QOGf21pdy0cTk25oiJx1P6QGJxIgQgsgTeu m6nw== X-Received: by 10.180.20.13 with SMTP id j13mr7567679wie.6.1382025717400; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iz19sm17680606wic.9.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:01:56 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). Message-ID: <20131017170156.55185260@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <526001F5.1020505@fjl.co.uk> References: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <526001F5.1020505@fjl.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:01:59 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:27:49 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 17/10/2013 15:04, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > I'm using a 72gb swap disk. > > I've 10gb RAM > > > > I get this warning: > > > > warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum > > recommended amount (8243200 pages). warning: increase > > kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. > > > > What is max. recommended amount based on? > > What is the danger of exceeding it? > > How should I increase kern.maxswzone? > > > > # sysctl kern.maxswzone > > kern.maxswzone: 0 > > # > > > > Do I set it to the total swap size? > > Where is kern.maxswzone described? > > > > > > I went through this on an earlier version but didn't get any warning. > You might find the answer here: > > http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may have changed a bit since 8.2. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 16:43:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFDA497 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuuse.redantigua@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22e.google.com (mail-lb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE2EB2FCA for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w6so2120079lbh.19 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:43:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gtOuIwY27k95B1bP/SNlQnyDVtqsMUPFxzwrjuRx2ds=; b=iYv5tEKcpRlg6PW0T9Ea0ZF8dCGspZCUtHirqMZ3+bsvZAev0Pek4ZsPzaxQGGmfMn lPPda8la16a+dxoq5sxV77K74tVfY6ioYAXfpJbcuLM2fJZzlB82clJe+ufDdfRyH8yO YIBPXLVbpv02ChiLMkImfpPzlF3lwbenRXpgRGFVBQfIIBURtgtl+XMrKLoeKl0Fte5X NABcb8CvKk7/OOhvgekg5LD2+EVW3oH2I0Q8KBFkJlM7dcv9nPmhpRmzgbEalVhbVuiB YHvHm+Pd6BKRaHrMFc+DIEAqdDSsgDg/TR92OZoAT6Q6npKxOuiCMP52AJKmX2SruXGp sCrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.121.3 with SMTP id lg3mr8016597lab.0.1382028213736; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kuuse.redantigua@gmail.com Received: by 10.114.201.101 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:43:33 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 21DzWmkz5aHedL1jMXKzldTwVcU Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD Make question From: Johan Kuuse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:43:36 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to write a Makefile for FreeBSD Make (not GNU Make), with target names containg spaces. Example: MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c ${MY_TARGET}: @echo ${.TARGET} The output is truncated to '/home/joe/directory' Is there any possible way to escape this properly? I have read all the documentation I could find, and tried several ways solving this problem, using quotes, escapes, substitutions. The output is the same if as use sh, bash, or tcsh, so it isn't shell related. Are spaces simply not possible to use in target names? If I'm on the wrong list, or someone could point me into any direction to solve this, I would gladly appreciate any hints. Best Regards, Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 18:14:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B17FA5 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA4A12714 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9HIEXtX040537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:14:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <52602909.1070105@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:14:33 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). References: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <526001F5.1020505@fjl.co.uk> <20131017170156.55185260@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20131017170156.55185260@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:14:37 -0000 On 17/10/2013 17:01, RW wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:27:49 +0100 > Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 17/10/2013 15:04, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>> I'm using a 72gb swap disk. >>> I've 10gb RAM >>> >>> I get this warning: >>> >>> warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum >>> recommended amount (8243200 pages). warning: increase >>> kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. >>> >>> What is max. recommended amount based on? >>> What is the danger of exceeding it? >>> How should I increase kern.maxswzone? >>> >>> # sysctl kern.maxswzone >>> kern.maxswzone: 0 >>> # >>> >>> Do I set it to the total swap size? >>> Where is kern.maxswzone described? >>> >>> >> I went through this on an earlier version but didn't get any warning. >> You might find the answer here: >> >> http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ > The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may > have changed a bit since 8.2. > This was running 8.2 on AMD64, and it's definitely there (and with the same value as the i386 version). The code's there on 9.1, as is the manifest constant in param.h and it's still the same value. I haven't tried 9.2 yet. So what am I missing about i386? Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 18:44:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1476FEB for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from relaygateway02.edpnet.net (relaygateway02.edpnet.net [212.71.1.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E682942 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwGABIvYFLV25wl/2dsb2JhbABagweEM7dmhCIXdIJPM1gCBRMOAhEFJYhBnzOPBokziRSBKYxvgVaCVDWBBwOYBQGSBIMmOoE0 X-IPAS-Result: AqwGABIvYFLV25wl/2dsb2JhbABagweEM7dmhCIXdIJPM1gCBRMOAhEFJYhBnzOPBokziRSBKYxvgVaCVDWBBwOYBQGSBIMmOoE0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,516,1378850400"; d="scan'208";a="191972387" Received: from 213.219.156.37.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([213.219.156.37]) by relaygateway02.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 17 Oct 2013 20:31:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:43:43 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: BASE ncurses vs devel/ncurses Message-ID: <20131017184343.GA49495@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:44:55 -0000 Hello, I'm facing a weird issue with ncurses. I'm using together x11/rxvt-unicode and mail/mutt. rxvt-unicode depends on devel/ncurses but not mutt. On a system where devel/ncurses is installed mutt -v reports: ncurses: ncurses 5.9.20110404 (compiled with 5.7) On a system where devel/ncurses is _not_ installed mutt -v reports: ncurses: ncurses 5.7.20081102 (compiled with 5.7) I wondered if there is a way to force Mutt to use the BASE ncurses rather than devel/ncurses when it's installed because some things don't work properly (color codes, ...) with devel/ncurses .. ? What's the "proper" way to resolve this problem ? Thanks, Julien -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 19:19:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D44E04 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F312B44 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:52640] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 21/DC-19454-E1830625; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:18:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:18:54 +0000 Message-ID: <21.DC.19454.E1830625@cdptpa-oedge03> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Make question X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Cc: Johan Kuuse X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:19:01 -0000 > I'm trying to write a Makefile for FreeBSD Make (not GNU Make), with target > names containg spaces. > Example: > MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c > ${MY_TARGET}: @echo ${.TARGET} > The output is truncated to '/home/joe/directory' > Is there any possible way to escape this properly? > I have read all the documentation I could find, and tried several ways > solving this problem, using quotes, escapes, substitutions. > The output is the same if as use sh, bash, or tcsh, so it isn't shell > related. > Are spaces simply not possible to use in target names? > If I'm on the wrong list, or someone could point me into any direction to > solve this, I would gladly appreciate any hints. > Best Regards, > Johan I believe that in (quasi-)Unix in general, including FreeBSD and Linux, you use backslash to escape an embedded space in directory or file names. Backslash causes the following character to be interpreted as an ordinary character with no special meaning. Try MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/hello.c Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 19:41:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE337A3B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:41:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pascal@lechindianer.de) Received: from scummserver.lechindianer.de (scummserver.lechindianer.de [83.169.44.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14402CE0 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.46] (dslb-084-057-037-251.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.57.37.251]) by scummserver.lechindianer.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 526BB1DB802E; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:32:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52603AD4.7040405@lechindianer.de> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:30:28 +0200 From: Pascal Schmid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Make question References: <21.DC.19454.E1830625@cdptpa-oedge03> In-Reply-To: <21.DC.19454.E1830625@cdptpa-oedge03> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kuuse@redantigua.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:41:41 -0000 On 10/17/2013 09:18 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> I'm trying to write a Makefile for FreeBSD Make (not GNU Make), with target >> names containg spaces. >> Example: > >> MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c >> ${MY_TARGET}: > @echo ${.TARGET} > >> The output is truncated to '/home/joe/directory' >> Is there any possible way to escape this properly? >> I have read all the documentation I could find, and tried several ways >> solving this problem, using quotes, escapes, substitutions. >> The output is the same if as use sh, bash, or tcsh, so it isn't shell >> related. >> Are spaces simply not possible to use in target names? > >> If I'm on the wrong list, or someone could point me into any direction to >> solve this, I would gladly appreciate any hints. > >> Best Regards, >> Johan > > I believe that in (quasi-)Unix in general, including FreeBSD and Linux, > you use backslash to escape an embedded space in directory or file names. > > Backslash causes the following character to be interpreted as an ordinary > character with no special meaning. > > Try > > MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/hello.c > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Have you tried different quotes? "'" does not have the same effect as "`" (backtick). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 19:47:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E94DDEC for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2307D2D38 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307B52FCC98 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59065-05 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [205.147.16.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D69D02FCC97 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52603EE1.9070003@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:47:45 -0700 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't upgrade lzip port References: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:47:47 -0000 On 10/16/13 8:42 PM, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 16 October 2013 21:05, David Newman wrote: >> After upgrading an amd64 system from 9.1-RELEASE to 9.2-RELEASE, >> 'portmaster -af' failed because it couldn't fetch a current version of >> lzip-1.14. I've pasted the error below. >> >> I tried contacting the port maintainer and ports@freebsd.org last week >> but haven't heard back. And the freebsd.org packages directory has >> lzip-1.13, not 1.14. >> >> Is there some other means of completing the ports reinstall? This system >> has at least one other port with lzip dependencies. >> >> Thanks! >> >> dn >> >> $ portmaster -af >> >> .. >> >> ===>>> Returning to dependency check for archivers/lzip >> ===>>> Dependency check complete for archivers/lzip >> >> ===> Cleaning for lzip-1.14 >> ===> License GPLv3 accepted by the user >> ===> lzip-1.14 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found >> => lzip-1.14.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles//. >> => Attempting to fetch http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found >> => Attempting to fetch >> http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: >> Not Found >> => Attempting to fetch >> http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found >> => Attempting to fetch >> ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File >> unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >> => Attempting to fetch >> http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: >> http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not >> Found >> => Attempting to fetch >> ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File >> unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >> => Attempting to fetch >> http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: >> http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: >> Not Found >> => Attempting to fetch >> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >> fetch: >> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File >> unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >> => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this >> => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles// and try again. >> *** [do-fetch] Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/lzip. >> >> ===>>> make failed for archivers/lzip >> ===>>> Aborting update >> >> ===>>> Killing background jobs >> Terminated >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > If nothing you have depends on lzip (try "pkg info -r lzip" > or "pkg_info -r lzip", depending), just run > $ portmaster -x lzip -af No joy. Even though I installed the lzip-1.13 package from the FreeBSD ftp site, the pkg utility does not show it as installed. And, per the original post, lzip is a dependency for other ports, hence this problem. > Otherwise, googling around for "lzip-1.14.tar.gz" should get you the > appropriate file(s). Maybe. > One of the top Google hits was to my email to the port maintainer last week: http://www.opendevs.org/iwzku/freebsd-port-lzip-1-14.html I have not heard from the FreeBSD port maintainer, but someone did reply with a URL pointing to lzip-1.14.tar.gz on a Fedora site. In the unlikely event that Fedora's file locations and dependencies are the same as FreeBSD's, is it really as simple as just dropping that .gz file in /usr/ports/distfiles? thanks dn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 20:01:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A476FF for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF0A2E92 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A94D2FCC98 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67435-04 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [205.147.16.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B8D7C2FCC97 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5260422F.7040503@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:01:51 -0700 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't upgrade lzip port [SOLVED] References: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> <52603EE1.9070003@networktest.com> In-Reply-To: <52603EE1.9070003@networktest.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:01:53 -0000 On 10/17/13 12:47 PM, David Newman wrote: > > > On 10/16/13 8:42 PM, illoai@gmail.com wrote: >> On 16 October 2013 21:05, David Newman wrote: >>> After upgrading an amd64 system from 9.1-RELEASE to 9.2-RELEASE, >>> 'portmaster -af' failed because it couldn't fetch a current version of >>> lzip-1.14. I've pasted the error below. >>> >>> I tried contacting the port maintainer and ports@freebsd.org last week >>> but haven't heard back. And the freebsd.org packages directory has >>> lzip-1.13, not 1.14. >>> >>> Is there some other means of completing the ports reinstall? This system >>> has at least one other port with lzip dependencies. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> dn >>> >>> $ portmaster -af >>> >>> .. >>> >>> ===>>> Returning to dependency check for archivers/lzip >>> ===>>> Dependency check complete for archivers/lzip >>> >>> ===> Cleaning for lzip-1.14 >>> ===> License GPLv3 accepted by the user >>> ===> lzip-1.14 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found >>> => lzip-1.14.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles//. >>> => Attempting to fetch http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: http://nongnu.askapache.com/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: http://mirror.lihnidos.org/GNU/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: >>> Not Found >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: http://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not Found >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/NonGNU/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File >>> unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: >>> http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: Not >>> Found >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: ftp://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/savannah/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File >>> unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: >>> http://download-mirror.savannah.gnu.org/releases/lzip/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: >>> Not Found >>> => Attempting to fetch >>> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz >>> fetch: >>> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/lzip-1.14.tar.gz: File >>> unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >>> => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this >>> => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles// and try again. >>> *** [do-fetch] Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/lzip. >>> >>> ===>>> make failed for archivers/lzip >>> ===>>> Aborting update >>> >>> ===>>> Killing background jobs >>> Terminated >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> If nothing you have depends on lzip (try "pkg info -r lzip" >> or "pkg_info -r lzip", depending), just run >> $ portmaster -x lzip -af > > No joy. Even though I installed the lzip-1.13 package from the FreeBSD > ftp site, the pkg utility does not show it as installed. > > And, per the original post, lzip is a dependency for other ports, hence > this problem. > > >> Otherwise, googling around for "lzip-1.14.tar.gz" should get you the >> appropriate file(s). Maybe. >> > > One of the top Google hits was to my email to the port maintainer last week: > > http://www.opendevs.org/iwzku/freebsd-port-lzip-1-14.html > > I have not heard from the FreeBSD port maintainer, but someone did reply > with a URL pointing to lzip-1.14.tar.gz on a Fedora site. > > In the unlikely event that Fedora's file locations and dependencies are > the same as FreeBSD's, is it really as simple as just dropping that .gz > file in /usr/ports/distfiles? Answering my own question, yes, it really is that simple. I grabbed that file from the Fedora site and verified that its SHA256 digest matches that in the distinfo file. The 1.14 port installed OK. Still, until this port's broken links get fixed, installing it won't be straightforward. dn > > thanks > > dn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 20:19:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70D7623 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qe0-x236.google.com (mail-qe0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56E352FAB for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 1so1032835qec.41 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=igZHMiimje1jFqeBUL4sara5JXKy3zY7Mt7rJU6+M0o=; b=LHI76rwftzLXWhtcWj0naq0OZgpRq6irGlbEh8TRqGyfNgeFsYByjq2tZdV9GahJ14 O/Iup0Gp88sFpeiyCgp1rQ8QXQ0Xfh6zNHe2OD5pyd8HGtPYSlxkawQxEcVLnmyUdugM I0Ra7uzEpXEXslBuBL5hj45kX6tMDn7+4rqow= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=igZHMiimje1jFqeBUL4sara5JXKy3zY7Mt7rJU6+M0o=; b=GWWHE2A1opQOT26Q+IoMq9y+9JHPiJv90oC0IOdpN22NVgpC5G9zfP0rbZqWqgTatS rprCIhHzEtC49dropkhj1yOopHLSB08pdj1IjgzCqMNRnWsRflQfk9oqXJgQQclNqEpL 39EEyzgIZ8xNO6R7s+BLB/+t5tiijvyHmih6ZZM1+B6Rowrzss2oMxUzdBRZgSP/ey2w U1z6vkj3xmN3ImLsJRdnLihKKtQDH5DJ/VkNBj6/kBviT17PpEu44mPza6/arfulpJ+1 ChgpOjTa8cFR1s1Xgxy/RbtaGLupuE35qjeJuRJXF8luKGCWcTq6dLL8w2qurUAIDXN/ nRmg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm5RaxS/CpjoOQ7ESUxaeOh2EBZGeGxIewDVYit2Mby4rn1EOA0yp4gCMoRDdkcWA4oiVXr X-Received: by 10.49.50.232 with SMTP id f8mr6672911qeo.63.1382041162496; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 4sm179912747qak.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3d11tb2rr2z2CG69 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:19:18 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Can't upgrade lzip port [SOLVED] Message-ID: <20131017161918.79300221@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <5260422F.7040503@networktest.com> References: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> <52603EE1.9070003@networktest.com> <5260422F.7040503@networktest.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:19:23 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:01:51 -0700 David Newman articulated: > Still, until this port's broken links get fixed, installing it won't > be straightforward. File a PR or it probably won't happen anytime soon. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 23:48:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD791852 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@phantombsd.org) Received: from scottmail.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3972B50 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scottmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C8824A3C8 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at scottmail.org Received: from scottmail.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scottmail.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2MZsIDHes1hV for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scottmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BCB24A3EE for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at scottmail.org Received: from scottmail.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scottmail.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id SXGM5PtiQgOu for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scottmail.org (bearcat.phantombsd.org [192.168.1.20]) by scottmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CB024A3C8 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Casey Scott To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <251840039.356.1382053725512.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> In-Reply-To: <1712475983.350.1382053431300.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> Subject: ATA drive ID differences between kernels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [208.95.100.4] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.2_GA_5569 (ZimbraWebClient - GC30 (Win)/8.0.2_GA_5569) Thread-Topic: ATA drive ID differences between kernels Thread-Index: mfeKhvY0EdXzm3MKLd6Wt+Ab1T03aQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Casey Scott List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:48:54 -0000 I recently installed 9.2 on a server that was running 8.3. The problem I'm facing is that the GENERIC and my custom kernel ID drives differently: e.g. GENERIC CUSTOM drive 1 ada1 ada6 drive 2 ada2 ada7 drive 3 ada3 ada8 The result of which is a error code 19 at mountroot. I've been through UPDATING, NOTES, Google, forums, etc. and can't determine what's missing from my custom kernel. Custom kernel config below: ***************************************************************** cpu HAMMER ident CUSTOM options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options TCP_OFFLOAD # TCP offload options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable gjournal-based UFS journaling options QUOTA # Enable disk quotas for UFS options NFSCL # New Network Filesystem Client options NFSD # New Network Filesystem Server options NFSLOCKD # Network Lock Manager options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCL options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options STACK # stack(9) support options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=128 # Prevent printf output being interspersed. options AUDIT # Security event auditing options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel options DDB_CTF # kernel ELF linker loads CTF data options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPDIVERT # Make an SMP-capable kernel by default options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel # Bus support. device acpi device pci # ATA controllers device ahci # AHCI-compatible SATA controllers device ata # Legacy ATA/SATA controllers options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. # ATA/SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for ATA/SCSI) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device atadisk # ATA disk drives # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc options SC_PIXEL_MODE # add support for the raster text mode device agp # support several AGP chipsets device em # Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Family # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # BSD-style compatibility pseudo ttys # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support options USB_DEBUG # enable debug msgs device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device xhci # XHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 3.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices (needs netgraph) device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard ***************************************************************** Any suggestions? TIA, Casey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 17 23:51:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF961CBF for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA5E82BA6 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866802FCCA9 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35115-05 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [205.147.16.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4087F2FCC24 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52607812.1060407@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:51:46 -0700 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't upgrade lzip port [SOLVED] References: <525F37D2.4030401@networktest.com> <52603EE1.9070003@networktest.com> <5260422F.7040503@networktest.com> <20131017161918.79300221@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20131017161918.79300221@scorpio> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:51:49 -0000 On 10/17/13 1:19 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:01:51 -0700 > David Newman articulated: > >> Still, until this port's broken links get fixed, installing it won't >> be straightforward. > > File a PR or it probably won't happen anytime soon. > Excellent idea, thanks. Filed as bug 183073. I made a mistake and filed this under powerpc instead of ports (next item in the drop-down menu), but send a followup message asking to move it to ports. dn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 00:19:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD15C270 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0732D23 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id eQJH1m00H4XeM0101QJJhc; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:18:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:18:20 +0000 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: no, not gng paranoid, but.... Message-ID: <20131018001820.GA6179@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Gary Kline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:19:54 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. guys, does anybody know of any hardware for FBSD for a closed-ckt camera? my wife's mother is still here and scared of her shadow. im no fool [...well...:-) ] ... but I hesitate to swing open the front door if somebody unexpectly knocks. the lens to see out is for somebody standing. that's hard for me to do. before I spent hours googling around, I thought I'd ask here first. BSD, Unix, linux, whatever. just *not* dos-specific!! tx, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 02:12:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6845AE42 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351FF2343 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729221703E; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:12:20 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:12:31 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frank Leonhardt , yudi v , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:12:39 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -1000 > Al Plant wrote: > >> Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:35:32 +1000 >>> yudi v wrote: > > Aloha, >> I have 4 battery backups that I think are the older big brother of >> the one that Eric is using. APC 900. I have replaced the batteries >> with external Stationary Batteries. (Look like truck batteries, but >> have small bolt on connections for backup systems.) I have them >> hooked up in a cage beside the backups in my shed. I have used the >> backups for up to 10 hours of uptime as a test. > > how long does it take to recharge the battery? >> Here in Hawaii on Oahu island where I live, power outages are common. > > The moment the name of an island sound so good that you want to live on > it, they have problems with electricity. I am currently in Bali which > is not so bad but Jawa is real bad if you do not live near the power > station. > >> Many people have installed solar now since a car hitting an electric >> pole is almost a daily problem. As is a contractor digging and >> breaking cables. Corroded fuses blowing on power line transformers >> are also a major problem on any Pacific island. One of my clients >> went down for 7 hours during the busy time last week for business. >> They do have backup for gracefully shutting down computers that lasts >> about 30 minutes, so they can get the customers cashed out with their >> purchases, >> > What are 7h down-time? Just a coffee break. It happens in Jawa very > often. Diesel generators are a good investment there. > > Erich >> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 >> + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + >> + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + >> < email: noc@hdk5.net > >> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis >> Carrol >> >> _______________________________________________ Yes the price of paradise!~ Two transformers blew. The 2nd when the first went back on line and they take about 3 and a half hours to replace. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 03:02:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0168A7 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x236.google.com (mail-lb0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66A8925C8 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id p9so2596033lbv.41 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:02:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T7Dedg0UE+cMcJ5/Sc179BoOOEhzGhy21RoPYx1d8UI=; b=oyzPbmpIx8sr7v6ewXFEXm7OYhqeawEDVrB7jCZLLdZuKCZf98JsNokmcY/+h9LLyu ayGqg6J3euSqL8OX+y4S4PEa+FQoof3gFCHIHUDMGrd5M/YHazex6ch4UVrxh7a9pMzN fxPUYISJVAyhI1Uy8fOUNMCEPbWzDfsZbMRU3kn9UnpUDmzYzrx4SXVPury8UZqdU5Ya OfSgoxXVvEh9eiEPkLX1DxAyhJmfPCgBOXsWRhELyhHO3atWL4tryugMFpVpu5RNguv9 bR7jPJ0ENFcaNhXeZocr1tPlAb2aSk19+HOiCCRGyXWP2gabzR2+IEOU9ATS8xazxq82 wtwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.128.166 with SMTP id np6mr631410lbb.7.1382065337466; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:02:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:02:17 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion From: yudi v To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:02:19 -0000 ok got APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA 230V for really cheap but this one only has a serial connection, and my server does not have a serial port. I am thinking of getting a SUNIX SUN-UTS1009B UTS1009B USB to Port Serial RS-232 Adapter > did some research but not sure if this will work. Or I can get a PCI card with a serial port. Any suggestions. Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 03:14:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F36DD8E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22f.google.com (mail-qc0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13524268D for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id v2so2633387qcr.34 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:14:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=p8jO4/rv1cCYIS+Uy91VphTjLw1Cmm4IJhrGnBb65DI=; b=bwvGHKHNROjx53QSE26OJivudkuW3GGRDLqg/SXKMoXK00fSxNBDGBoO5Fs78jR1ds obWPoWFcekspGgg0NUBN3FIlI7bbUwsL6I5PTZGBrcWpAS0zvsb3MxkttXv0mLVCMedD ltiP44kyx4mPrmcL5vOThvdsJd0A5i/r1QnZw6RN0F4T3FFVKw/Usb236zP4t0283be8 YvLXHAvMhLCMhU7UcRmkbNmI1aTKa0OjFiXIBmbBc5sUzNl9GWntMmMdgo981ee7VW6+ hpmIGrLrcRdtztboh/YORq9TgOxVLpjncJ1jGxmSRcJ8FN3+GrCSE+9U6C8Bgo2SU6M1 lxAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.116.19 with SMTP id js19mr1003641qeb.34.1382066044229; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.109.199 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:14:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131018001820.GA6179@ethic.thought.org> References: <20131018001820.GA6179@ethic.thought.org> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:14:04 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r_mfQXwMVAyCecH9oc_5lclRsLs Message-ID: Subject: Re: no, not gng paranoid, but.... From: Olivier Nicole To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:14:05 -0000 Gary, > does anybody know of any hardware for FBSD for a closed-ckt camera? > my wife's mother is still here and scared of her shadow. im no > fool [...well...:-) ] ... but I hesitate to swing open the front > door if somebody unexpectly knocks. the lens to see out is for > somebody standing. that's hard for me to do. > > before I spent hours googling around, I thought I'd ask here > first. BSD, Unix, linux, whatever. just *not* dos-specific!! You can have a look at Zoneminder, it's in the ports . Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 04:05:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2338682B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7F8D28DE for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:05:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=/y48hW9vywm0MKjdqJvDJ1z80KrZxXEQdZVd3rs1Jos=; b=PwDhGvoQK9eNOCsiAacDpuJv3RHEQK/b+BXIbs8FyBLiENlM1NSg7prZ/wAmX7uIzZOkBUM5n/dr4gTANZGA9Uwiult88bQVYhp0o3m/TB8ZqTvjpy4vpXGws/0kr+HTU06AsG+2LopD/qdEl0fOTaZH54pg2aHyNLUMuWiMZUw=; Received: from [39.194.172.110] (port=63140 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VX1Iw-001yVj-O0; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:04:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:04:41 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131018120441.175b7e7d@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1382015735.5852.100.camel@archlinux> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> <1382015735.5852.100.camel@archlinux> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:05:02 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:15:35 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 15:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 13:15 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > > > On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > > > Most RCCB (aka ELCB, RCD) work (hereabouts anyway) work with > > > counter-wound coils on the input and output of the supply such > > > that he magnetic field is neutral if the current is the same. If > > > it goes out of balance, it trips the switch. Normally 30mA > > > difference is the rule. They don't have a value, as such. I heard > > > that only 10mA is needed to interrupt your heart, but I've also > > > heard 100mA. They're all potentially dangerous. It depends on the > > > route taken by the current passes through your body > > Correct, I've got professional literature about this issue, but I'm to > lazy top take a look now. Don't trust a RCCB! > the individual resistance of the person getting in contact is much more important. I know a person who gets an electric shock touching 12V DC because his body's electrical resistance is very low. Most people I know and tested have a resitance between two fingers of 20 to 30kOhm. On the other extreme, I have more than 1MOhm. > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an isolating > > transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get an electric I highly doubt this. Only larger workshops have a transformer. They are getting 20kV and more supplied and need the transformer for a different reason. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 04:09:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE4D90E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FD3A2907 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:09:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=baXmcxEn4MPP/2ZvL3xZ+eeEt8RROJZlaMK/SztwgFU=; b=F/H/rJtfQ7WqO1bOiNSAqjv7WX/xdzpMOm5lAcLCZKN5Vf6NUkAwBkKW7xIC/KhQTiSMYX6waY4eIlGWxciSUWPg4+aRjdO6VdBw0fsLYIQs4yV09mZmX1zsbcA7pzRAxRrfhx0Q4pzU+LpGoxGf9BG7qjNORnwqZQxjFLiqRLE=; Received: from [39.194.172.110] (port=53116 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VX1NM-0020D1-BZ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:09:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:09:07 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131018120907.6d436250@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <525FE9B7.6080307@fjl.co.uk> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> <525FE9B7.6080307@fjl.co.uk> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:09:28 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:44:23 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 17/10/2013 14:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 13:15 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 17/10/2013 07:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 14:29 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >=20 > Bemessungsdifferenzstr=C3=B6me =3D residual current rating (i.e. trip > current). 1A! No good to stop a human being zapped, but might prevent > a fire in the circuit. It'd be completely illegal in England, > including in the workplace (I THINK). Certainly no more than 30mA for > shock protection (or 10mA for low-voltage application like 110V. I > know it's possible to fit 300mA where only fire prevention is needed; > I've never seen anything higher than that, but I'm not an electrician. 1A? No, the maximum I heard of is 30A. All devices with a rating of more than 30mA are used mainly in an industrial enviroment. I am sure that they are legal also in England for that purpose. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 05:09:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689D14AF for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:09:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 065C32BF1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3420E3CAC2; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:09:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9I59308001957; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:09:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:09:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Johan Kuuse Subject: Re: FreeBSD Make question Message-Id: <20131018070903.7ef5f8a8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:09:18 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:43:33 +0200, Johan Kuuse wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to write a Makefile for FreeBSD Make (not GNU Make), with target > names containg spaces. > Example: > > MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c > ${MY_TARGET}: > @echo ${.TARGET} > > The output is truncated to '/home/joe/directory' That is to be expected. :-) The space character is a _special_ character. It serves as a statement separator. (There are other special characters depending for example on the shell in use; other systems have different special characters that _could_ be valid in directory names or file names, but _should_ not be used because they could cause trouble when _improperly_ dealt with.) > Is there any possible way to escape this properly? There are, in fact, many possibilities. In an "O(n) manner" you can use the backslash \ to escape each of the spaces. They hereby lose their special meaning of being a statement separator: MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/hello.c In an "O(1) manner" you can enclose the whole string in double quotes "...": MY_TARGET="/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c" Single quotes '...' work similarly, with the exception that _if_ your string contains variables, they would not be expanded, but in your example, this does not apply. MY_TARGET='/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c' The so-called backticks `...` have a totally different meaning (subshell result) and will not be considered here. :-) > I have read all the documentation I could find, and tried several ways > solving this problem, using quotes, escapes, substitutions. Note that even if you get the above statement working, there could be further annoying trouble ahead! If you intend to use special characters in file names (and directory names), there are a lot things you have to pay attention to. I suggest having a read of the following articles: David A. Wheeler: Filenames and Pathnames in Shell: How to do it correctly http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html as well as David A. Wheeler: Fixing Unix/Linux/POSIX Filenames: Control Characters (such as Newline), Leading Dashes, and Other Problems http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html > The output is the same if as use sh, bash, or tcsh, so it isn't shell > related. The Makefile executes a shell (usually sh) for each command to be executed. It handles its own statements "internally" (declaring dependencies and such). > Are spaces simply not possible to use in target names? They are possible, but you should not use them. It's also possible to use ~, *, newline, ; or - in file names, but you really _really_ should not do this. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 05:23:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE90F928 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92FEF2D0E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DE033C6B5; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:23:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9I5NS8k002014; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:23:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:23:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Casey Scott Subject: Re: ATA drive ID differences between kernels Message-Id: <20131018072328.6267d3a8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <251840039.356.1382053725512.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> References: <1712475983.350.1382053431300.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> <251840039.356.1382053725512.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:23:36 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:45 -0700 (PDT), Casey Scott wrote: > I recently installed 9.2 on a server that was running 8.3. > The problem I'm facing is that the GENERIC and my custom > kernel ID drives differently: > > e.g. GENERIC CUSTOM > drive 1 ada1 ada6 > drive 2 ada2 ada7 > drive 3 ada3 ada8 > > > The result of which is a error code 19 at mountroot. This is a _perfect_ situation to start using labels. :-) http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > I've been through UPDATING, NOTES, Google, forums, etc. and > can't determine what's missing from my custom kernel. Custom > kernel config below: Just a guess: The kernel enumerates the devices as they come up (presented by "the hardware"). There are "reserved number ranges" according to what the storage controller _can_ offer, even if it's not the case. Example from my home system: ad0 = ATA, primary master ad1 = ATA, primary slave ad2 = ATA, secondary master ad3 = ATA, secondary slave ad4 = SATA 1st port ad6 = SATA 2nd port If I'd remove the support for the (ordinary) ata devices, it would maybe be possible that the numbering scheme changes. I'm not sure in how far AHCI (because of SATA) fits in here. The SATA drives could then be ada0 and ada1, or ada4 and ada6 respectively. I could imagine you're experiencing something similar... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 05:37:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3B0D58 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:37:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 812042DD0 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3D283CBF7; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:37:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9I5bZTX002339; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:37:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:37:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: no, not gng paranoid, but.... Message-Id: <20131018073735.142829c0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131018001820.GA6179@ethic.thought.org> References: <20131018001820.GA6179@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:37:43 -0000 On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:18:20 +0000, Gary Kline wrote: > does anybody know of any hardware for FBSD for a closed-ckt camera? I'd suggest using an ordinary CCTV camera. Used ones can be obtained for few money, and they are usually still good. You will probably want to use a B/W model because they tend to have a better contrast even during darkness. (On the other hand, you could always add an "invisible" IR lamp.) Those cameras usually come with a BNC connector, it's a normal asymmetric wire. Any compatible video grabber card or USB dongle should work fine. I've been using something similar in the past with the following configuration: "Old-fashioned" CCTV camera in exterior housing, BNC cable, BT-878 based TV card (Haupauge WinTV) on FreeBSD, and mplayer. With mplayer, I could bring up a window showing the video feed (I had mapped that to a key), and with mencoder it was possible to record and encode the feed, or make stills at defined intervals (every 2 seconds, once per minute and so on). Compatibility? No issues here. Of course, obtaining and installing PCI TV cards isn't that easy anymore (with "modern" PCs). But there are several kinds of USB dongles that act as a video grabber (they are often sold under that name, "TV grabber" or "video grabber"). But as I have no experience with them (PCI card still installed and working!), I can't be more specific to recommend a brand and model for this. To extent the idea of grabbing stills: It would be possible to obtain a "sample" showing "nobody at the door" and then have mencoder obtain a still at the rate of, well, let's say every 5 seconds, and then compare it to the "predefined sample". In case it does _not_ match, an audio signal could be emitted (e. g. by playing an MP3 file) and if needed, start a continuous recording which can be deleted later on (if nothing criminal happened at the door). All this (!) works easily with FreeBSD. > my wife's mother is still here and scared of her shadow. Add more lights. :-) > im no > fool [...well...:-) ] ... but I hesitate to swing open the front > door if somebody unexpectly knocks. the lens to see out is for > somebody standing. that's hard for me to do. In addition to my idea explained above, there is a nice way to avoid cabling: Some years ago, I bought a 2 GHz A/V link system (for 15 Euro at a typical "el cheapo" store). The camera can be connected to the transmitter device. It will be installed near the door. The receiver device will then be connected to the TV card or USB video grabber. The emitted power is few enough so the signal will be fine indoors, but won't easily be interceptable from the outside. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 06:32:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F6ED6D for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E6320F4 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:33059] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 99/17-02506-5E5D0625; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:32:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: <99.17.02506.5E5D0625@cdptpa-oedge01> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <9F.B4.02506.FE40F525@cdptpa-oedge01> <20131017165423.dd91fda6.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: Disable devices at boot time? X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Cc: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:32:07 -0000 > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:28:15 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > Is there any way in FreeBSD to disable or enable devices on boot? > There is /boot/device.hints with settings like > hint...disabled="1" > See "man 5 device.hints" for details. If you enter the loader > prompt, you can also manually enable or disable devices. > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany Thanks for help, that may work. It can be useful if a device makes the system fail to boot. In my case, I might want to disable re (Realtek 8111E Ethernet) on MSI Z77 MPOWER motherboard, which fails to connect under FreeBSD but succeeds in NetBSD-current. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 10:03:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F08CB1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuuse.redantigua@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22f.google.com (mail-lb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 992A621B8 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y6so2927273lbh.34 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Kp73mAUigaOi2QLCa2m759S6UQ4+kQAsfckPOVC5aSA=; b=sefIEOTUztYRg2z7DGNYGenl5IM5fh2HvZ3Vu/Mn2uXIcdYtYgCmmh5ovF5rwzqoIC bpW/QpJIl5rWtTP5Y96DBLqv7HpWySXiCs2CQ3Rz+41URjEZT+P/nyCLJoWDVH57nLZ2 A2dmLoaWTC/cri6ye8N9hZsTOWfRBgeHkccXbxQX2YokqXMYBwqB+hK+ryJelKqEjS5U b2xG7Am6VGdehzUgjgpjNuRgDhwdmVMfp/OIf7XSRZ6Pypgta5CUSrdTwsUSU/ICRCJL MgrrLsNgai4GeXo96+Q+i30qEs98+Tc1NHaGNrVkNwpjWqYioMh2TW+gU8zR0WvvNsxr F3lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.138.37 with SMTP id qn5mr5980lbb.52.1382090612685; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kuuse.redantigua@gmail.com Received: by 10.114.201.101 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:03:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131018070903.7ef5f8a8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131018070903.7ef5f8a8.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:03:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XQ7mFS5_wJj3R6sDLYgF1HHar8o Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Make question From: Johan Kuuse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=089e01160f56043fb104e9010c1b X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:03:35 -0000 --089e01160f56043fb104e9010c1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again, Thanks for all input (especially David Wheeler's articles are very informative). I have to stress that the whitespace problem I have applies to the Makefile *target names*. It is not about how to escape whitespaces in the shell commands. I attach the Makefile I use for testing. As you can see, I have tried four different types of escaping (actually I have tried a lot more combinations, to be honest), but I can't make it work using BSD Make. Both BSD Make and GNU Make treats a directory names containing spaces as a list of targets (logical), but when trying to escape target names, the differences starts to notice between the Make flavors. GNU Make terminates with error when single or double quotes are used in target names, while BSD Make interpretes quoted targets as a list of target. Using a backslash (\) to escape whitespaces works with GNU Make (the target is interpreted as a single target name, not as a list), while BSD Make adds a literal '\' to the target name. The problem gets really serious when using two or more targets, as shown in the Makefile. I haven't dived into the BSD Make source code, so I cannot tell the $IFS variable is honored when dealing with whitespaces in names. Anyhow, manipulating the $IFS environment variable, I had no success neither. And yes, I limit this problem to the whitespace character, no control charaters. :-) Once again, any help appreciated. Best Regards, Johan Makefile.freebsd-questions -------- # MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c # MY_SECOND_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/world.c # MY_TARGET='/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c' # MY_SECOND_TARGET='/home/joe/directory name with spaces/world.c' # MY_TARGET="/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c" # MY_SECOND_TARGET="/home/joe/directory name with spaces/world.c" MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/hello.c MY_SECOND_TARGET=/home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/world.c all: ${MY_TARGET} ${MY_SECOND_TARGET} @echo This is Make version $(MAKE_VERSION) ${MY_TARGET}: @echo $@ ${MY_SECOND_TARGET}: @echo $@ -------- BSD Make doesn't work as expected: make -f Makefile.freebsd-questions -------- "Makefile.freebsd-questions", line 20: warning: duplicate script for target "/home/joe/directory\" ignored "Makefile.freebsd-questions", line 20: warning: duplicate script for target "name\" ignored "Makefile.freebsd-questions", line 20: warning: duplicate script for target "with\" ignored /home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/hello.c spaces/world.c This is Make version 9201120530 -------- GNU Make works OK: gmake -f Makefile.freebsd-questions -------- /home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c /home/joe/directory name with spaces/world.c This is Make version 3.82 -------- On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:43:33 +0200, Johan Kuuse wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to write a Makefile for FreeBSD Make (not GNU Make), with > target > > names containg spaces. > > Example: > > > > MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c > > ${MY_TARGET}: > > @echo ${.TARGET} > > > > The output is truncated to '/home/joe/directory' > > That is to be expected. :-) > > The space character is a _special_ character. It serves as > a statement separator. (There are other special characters > depending for example on the shell in use; other systems > have different special characters that _could_ be valid in > directory names or file names, but _should_ not be used > because they could cause trouble when _improperly_ dealt > with.) > > > > > Is there any possible way to escape this properly? > > There are, in fact, many possibilities. > > In an "O(n) manner" you can use the backslash \ to escape > each of the spaces. They hereby lose their special meaning > of being a statement separator: > > MY_TARGET=/home/joe/directory\ name\ with\ spaces/hello.c > > In an "O(1) manner" you can enclose the whole string in > double quotes "...": > > MY_TARGET="/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c" > > Single quotes '...' work similarly, with the exception that _if_ > your string contains variables, they would not be expanded, > but in your example, this does not apply. > > MY_TARGET='/home/joe/directory name with spaces/hello.c' > > The so-called backticks `...` have a totally different meaning > (subshell result) and will not be considered here. :-) > > > > > I have read all the documentation I could find, and tried several ways > > solving this problem, using quotes, escapes, substitutions. > > Note that even if you get the above statement working, there > could be further annoying trouble ahead! If you intend to use > special characters in file names (and directory names), there > are a lot things you have to pay attention to. > > I suggest having a read of the following articles: > > David A. Wheeler: > Filenames and Pathnames in Shell: > How to do it correctly > > http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html > > as well as > > David A. Wheeler: > Fixing Unix/Linux/POSIX Filenames: > Control Characters (such as Newline), Leading Dashes, > and Other Problems > > http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html > > > > > The output is the same if as use sh, bash, or tcsh, so it isn't shell > > related. > > The Makefile executes a shell (usually sh) for each command > to be executed. It handles its own statements "internally" > (declaring dependencies and such). > > > > > Are spaces simply not possible to use in target names? > > They are possible, but you should not use them. It's also > possible to use ~, *, newline, ; or - in file names, but > you really _really_ should not do this. :-) > > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > --089e01160f56043fb104e9010c1b Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Makefile.freebsd-questions" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Makefile.freebsd-questions" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_hmx7f9wq0 IyBNWV9UQVJHRVQ9L2hvbWUvam9lL2RpcmVjdG9yeSBuYW1lIHdpdGggc3BhY2VzL2hlbGxvLmMK IyBNWV9TRUNPTkRfVEFSR0VUPS9ob21lL2pvZS9kaXJlY3RvcnkgbmFtZSB3aXRoIHNwYWNlcy93 b3JsZC5jCgojIE1ZX1RBUkdFVD0nL2hvbWUvam9lL2RpcmVjdG9yeSBuYW1lIHdpdGggc3BhY2Vz L2hlbGxvLmMnCiMgTVlfU0VDT05EX1RBUkdFVD0nL2hvbWUvam9lL2RpcmVjdG9yeSBuYW1lIHdp dGggc3BhY2VzL3dvcmxkLmMnCgojIE1ZX1RBUkdFVD0iL2hvbWUvam9lL2RpcmVjdG9yeSBuYW1l IHdpdGggc3BhY2VzL2hlbGxvLmMiCiMgTVlfU0VDT05EX1RBUkdFVD0iL2hvbWUvam9lL2RpcmVj dG9yeSBuYW1lIHdpdGggc3BhY2VzL3dvcmxkLmMiCgpNWV9UQVJHRVQ9L2hvbWUvam9lL2RpcmVj dG9yeVwgbmFtZVwgd2l0aFwgc3BhY2VzL2hlbGxvLmMKTVlfU0VDT05EX1RBUkdFVD0vaG9tZS9q b2UvZGlyZWN0b3J5XCBuYW1lXCB3aXRoXCBzcGFjZXMvd29ybGQuYwoKYWxsOiAke01ZX1RBUkdF VH0gJHtNWV9TRUNPTkRfVEFSR0VUfQoJQGVjaG8gVGhpcyBpcyBNYWtlIHZlcnNpb24gJChNQUtF X1ZFUlNJT04pCgoke01ZX1RBUkdFVH06CglAZWNobyAkQAoKJHtNWV9TRUNPTkRfVEFSR0VUfToK CUBlY2hvICRACg== --089e01160f56043fb104e9010c1b-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 10:36:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C566BCC2 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (mail50c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9A523F8 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:35:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.18.250] (e182018250.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.18.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9IAZluh027939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:35:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1382092546.3945.22.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:35:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131018120441.175b7e7d@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> <1382015735.5852.100.camel@archlinux> <20131018120441.175b7e7d@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=bcncppzB c=1 sm=1 a=nwL4zUBCqEdlQ2dhK7vTYQ==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=hQBWr5Cos4sA:10 a=DiI3k-HjAAAA:8 a=VGttoZe88hK7t4xq4yAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=i6dDXt6C4bnkkXdl:21 a=6Ra8VIsRgX9wySkS:21 a=nwL4zUBCqEdlQ2dhK7vTYQ==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.52610F07.0122, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:36:00 -0000 On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 12:04 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an isolating > > > transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get an electric > > I highly doubt this. Only larger workshops have a transformer. It's needed for every workshop in Germany. http://www.reichelt.de/?ACTION=3&GROUPID=3320&ARTICLE=21747&SHOW=1& http://www.reichelt.de/Labornetzgeraete/PEAKTECH-2240/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=4952&ARTICLE=101937&SHOW=1&START=0&OFFSET=16&&gclid=CNPrquyVoLoCFcmV3god3h8Abw Assumed it shouldn't be needed in other countries, it's anyway common that engineers only work on gear connected to the mains by galvanic isolation _in all countries_. You won't spend 50,-€ to save lives ;)? Btw. usually it's an adjustable transformer, because a German workshop needs to be able to transform the 230V to e.g. 120V for gear build for the USA etc.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 12:15:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D744A326 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA0F12B7A for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=PGC9dZzMU3r16Uoir+/VcAx6zacmhhEKTmkDSRmYt+M=; b=Z5nluQg8vMzGEBuLrC8qQxIwu8pOhC839mAT7BQtwUZ0MIkwUvRkiCILTPZv/Z/f5kpGGKyV1l+mi4deIWdOtF2oFiclz7N9j4oo8Z+IJWQEbB5rU8FLDYkYY6bhw5JWZbaVTT6vb7Znov01lCQMnvzkHJiB2DF4Jfb9XF6Ki9s=; Received: from [39.194.172.110] (port=30780 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VX8xM-000FDJ-P8; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:15:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:13:56 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131018201356.681cc983@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1382092546.3945.22.camel@archlinux> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> <1382015735.5852.100.camel@archlinux> <20131018120441.175b7e7d@X220.ovitrap.com> <1382092546.3945.22.camel@archlinux> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:15:09 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:35:46 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 12:04 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an > > > > isolating transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get > > > > an electric > >=20 > > I highly doubt this. Only larger workshops have a transformer. >=20 > It's needed for every workshop in Germany. >=20 do want to say laboratory? > http://www.reichelt.de/?ACTION=3D3&GROUPID=3D3320&ARTICLE=3D21747&SHOW=3D= 1& > http://www.reichelt.de/Labornetzgeraete/PEAKTECH-2240/3//index.html?ACTIO= N=3D3&GROUPID=3D4952&ARTICLE=3D101937&SHOW=3D1&START=3D0&OFFSET=3D16&&gclid= =3DCNPrquyVoLoCFcmV3god3h8Abw >=20 A workshop will need 25kVA and more but not 150VA. > Assumed it shouldn't be needed in other countries, it's anyway common > that engineers only work on gear connected to the mains by galvanic > isolation _in all countries_. You won't spend 50,-=E2=82=AC to save lives= ;)? >=20 You wanted to say laboratory. Yes, this is needed then in most countries with a public electricity network. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 12:27:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7668EB26 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail233c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B875E2C7B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [92.231.7.5] (g231007005.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.231.7.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9ICRQ1h028588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:27:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1382099245.677.11.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: OT: UPS buying suggestion From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:27:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131018201356.681cc983@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <525F0138.1020304@fjl.co.uk> <20131017093820.6a8428de@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381988697.5852.16.camel@archlinux> <20131017142910.61325830@X220.ovitrap.com> <1381992680.5852.45.camel@archlinux> <525FD4C8.1090600@fjl.co.uk> <1382015420.5852.97.camel@archlinux> <1382015735.5852.100.camel@archlinux> <20131018120441.175b7e7d@X220.ovitrap.com> <1382092546.3945.22.camel@archlinux> <20131018201356.681cc983@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=dYI3Kwre c=1 sm=1 a=H8CVVvt+A81GNaPjMvU5Hw==:17 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=hQBWr5Cos4sA:10 a=DiI3k-HjAAAA:8 a=uB5oKopyhrs4FsE-WS0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SDGrNw0pTfEA:10 a=YbRgvEGZV6fsBoMz:21 a=HMj8QMXmQiBhIXAK:21 a=H8CVVvt+A81GNaPjMvU5Hw==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.52612931.000B, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:27:38 -0000 On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 20:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:35:46 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 12:04 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > As mentioned before, a workshop in addition must use an > > > > > isolating transformer, by this galvanic isolation you can't get > > > > > an electric > > > > > > I highly doubt this. Only larger workshops have a transformer. > > > > It's needed for every workshop in Germany. > > > do want to say laboratory? > > > http://www.reichelt.de/?ACTION=3&GROUPID=3320&ARTICLE=21747&SHOW=1& > > http://www.reichelt.de/Labornetzgeraete/PEAKTECH-2240/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=4952&ARTICLE=101937&SHOW=1&START=0&OFFSET=16&&gclid=CNPrquyVoLoCFcmV3god3h8Abw > > > A workshop will need 25kVA and more but not 150VA. > > > Assumed it shouldn't be needed in other countries, it's anyway common > > that engineers only work on gear connected to the mains by galvanic > > isolation _in all countries_. You won't spend 50,-€ to save lives ;)? > > > You wanted to say laboratory. Yes, this is needed then in most > countries with a public electricity network. :D Ok, I wanted to say by companies that e.g. build audio equipment or that repair television sets etc. and of course by laboratories and schools. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 12:41:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D5E6FF for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E0072DD1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id b13so3681676wgh.10 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UaOMl3TijoMLLxssxqsZ4qZo+FnOyqTVqS75mlx+cA8=; b=zUc821goHAjupU3KVm1vjVDA1x3q45SF++Tta34v4fbwloVmS0d4NLTk9VWQgm5tio XBSyPdymRlgIJh+ZArDSgKl9gh4fzVR60FMuDMijg9a3T7oAvgXgFtKSkHtydzlyzBfB Amm0FGtIlKqdm3+H4c2kVVHC756gFS8j9sSuVK3AgV51AbmM7e8zYqALYHZBQZkOqUja iAfZNrjfL9cnkMKnX+fuixzIrV2LZwxAKDgke/6XaxkLd7xnVshSJAA+aZby5dsYZo1f vxXDC4Z2XjdZ+0hZAjKMbIuFV7H+nSj+xUS80DV3DZxyp/eFAp+xsLjMa3bHOLyYYiW/ F70w== X-Received: by 10.180.13.13 with SMTP id d13mr2360725wic.34.1382100114734; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. 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Message-ID: <20131018134153.4dc44e93@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <52602909.1070105@fjl.co.uk> References: <201310171404.r9HE4ouQ018448@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <526001F5.1020505@fjl.co.uk> <20131017170156.55185260@gumby.homeunix.com> <52602909.1070105@fjl.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:41:56 -0000 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:14:33 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 17/10/2013 17:01, RW wrote: > > The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may > > have changed a bit since 8.2. > > > This was running 8.2 on AMD64, and it's definitely there (and with > the same value as the i386 version). The code's there on 9.1, as is > the manifest constant in param.h and it's still the same value. I > haven't tried 9.2 yet. So what am I missing about i386? The changed was merged into 9-stable in September 2012, 9.1 was branched in August. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 12:55:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D834BD3 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from eu1sys200aog124.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog124.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.157]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 825EC2E87 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com ([209.85.212.175]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob124.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUmEvln9xRM1fIF5YhNMe7U1nX1iT6Egf@postini.com; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:55:13 UTC Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hm4so925210wib.14 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:message-id:to:subject:reply-to :in-reply-to; bh=Tv6m50TCq4tq8oAM4l3EXdNN7VuKlKzU7FYPJj020VI=; b=Kr2wpExgb9ZWSRITjgiytyrThbak9esOmPGVWNBOepRg9BC+Ce3CBEGJVhYnFe2FFT CRbRtlSQKS+xb8yt/6dE3lUn158SCnEClCIrZ+kABSZ/AfiiWqQs8nh6fPEj7GQiETxP nsCUZcDP33D9OyXe643KREniqIRfYVwZgq3dN7rO0zSEFlP7T3E5wjuMuwIhId+4Q1Y+ G51roV8jH6sl6CVxpDnkNZaf3K1ccbOF44Zox9BnxcXe5ShTQg9XQw14JvKiEbLK3xs1 ko3f6ZH4HBit1Z7Jo9IBEdP1y7DIslg0ibLARWY+0pvpptQ2gf9PhdBodmuLdKLC5glc T7QQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkU+XEmlyplQ/1akykguU1FsI0s+r7UlT6d0ey3u7m9uPC0dGdBRBfJ0CA7Q3DggB8Au0vKMZoTm38LggUek1CP0cJpT7fqeOBVkjLTdS3WqvKHEgVsygmfO0LPZz1e/y26cKY/35v15tjyfCPGCv40BOp+51r3alngIMm4i6W2Vt/H25WNU8O+r7iE6lYlgBWqn6Wv X-Received: by 10.180.73.134 with SMTP id l6mr2388464wiv.16.1382100886607; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.73.134 with SMTP id l6mr2388451wiv.16.1382100886503; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gg20sm25708543wic.1.2013.10.18.05.54.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r9ICshlY050155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:54:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id r9ICshUi050154; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:54:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:54:43 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201310181254.r9ICshUi050154@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). In-Reply-To: <20131018134153.4dc44e93@gumby.homeunix.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:55:14 -0000 > Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:41:53 +0100 >From: RW >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum > recommended amount (8243200 pages). > >On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:14:33 +0100 >Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 17/10/2013 17:01, RW wrote: > >> > The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may >> > have changed a bit since 8.2. >> > >> This was running 8.2 on AMD64, and it's definitely there (and with >> the same value as the i386 version). The code's there on 9.1, as is >> the manifest constant in param.h and it's still the same value. I >> haven't tried 9.2 yet. So what am I missing about i386? > > >The changed was merged into 9-stable in September 2012, 9.1 was >branched in August. Looking at the article ( http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ ) the default value of kern.maxswzone has also changed meaning. On r256683 I get: # sysctl kern.maxswzone kern.maxswzone: 0 # So I'm not sure, do I set this variable to the *total* swap size? Or to the excess, above the "maximum recommended amount" reported by dmesg? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 12:59:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6698CD9C for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from relaygateway01.edpnet.net (relaygateway01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084BB2EBE for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:59:02 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am8GAHsvYVLV25wl/2dsb2JhbABagwc4g3u6LEuBIxd0giUBAQEDAQEBASArCBgbCxgCAgUTDgICDwUTAQkILAcEARwEh18KCK4ciSaJFIEpjHSBQBaCVDWBCgOVPIJMAYEvkFiDJjoxgQM X-IPAS-Result: Am8GAHsvYVLV25wl/2dsb2JhbABagwc4g3u6LEuBIxd0giUBAQEDAQEBASArCBgbCxgCAgUTDgICDwUTAQkILAcEARwEh18KCK4ciSaJFIEpjHSBQBaCVDWBCgOVPIJMAYEvkFiDJjoxgQM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,522,1378850400"; d="scan'208";a="200190068" Received: from 213.219.156.37.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([213.219.156.37]) by relaygateway01.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Oct 2013 14:45:35 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:57:51 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BASE ncurses vs devel/ncurses Message-ID: <20131018125751.GB59282@mordor.lan> References: <20131017184343.GA49495@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20131017184343.GA49495@mordor.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:59:03 -0000 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 08:43:43PM +0200, Julien Cigar wrote: > Hello, > > I'm facing a weird issue with ncurses. I'm using together > x11/rxvt-unicode and mail/mutt. rxvt-unicode depends on devel/ncurses > but not mutt. > > On a system where devel/ncurses is installed mutt -v reports: > ncurses: ncurses 5.9.20110404 (compiled with 5.7) > > On a system where devel/ncurses is _not_ installed mutt -v reports: > ncurses: ncurses 5.7.20081102 (compiled with 5.7) > > I wondered if there is a way to force Mutt to use the BASE ncurses > rather than devel/ncurses when it's installed because some things > don't work properly (color codes, ...) with devel/ncurses .. ? What's > the "proper" way to resolve this problem ? no one ... ? is there really no way to force a port to compile against BASE ncurses when devel/ncurses is installed? I tried with USE= ncurses:base (after I discovered /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/ncurses.mk) but it doesn't seems to work ... > > Thanks, > Julien > > > -- > No trees were killed in the creation of this message. > However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 13:25:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D9C720 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:25:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DC18209B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.local [192.168.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9IDPge2020800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:25:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:25:41 -0500 From: dweimer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:25:49 -0000 On 10/17/2013 10:02 pm, yudi v wrote: > ok got APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA > 230V > for > really cheap but this one only has a serial connection, and my server > does > not have a serial port. > > I am thinking of getting a SUNIX SUN-UTS1009B UTS1009B USB to Port > Serial > RS-232 Adapter > > > did some research but not sure if this will work. > > Or I can get a PCI card with a serial port. > > Any suggestions. > > Yudi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I can't speak for that USB to serial adapter, But I have had good luck with them, including using with NUT to talk to UPS through Serial. that I carry in my laptop case and I know works great, I also have a few older ones that work great with FreeBSD (but not windows 7 or 8), but they are all at home so I can't grab the model from them. The only issue I have had was having two identical USB to Serial adapters, on the same machine one for UPS, and one for Serial Console to pfSense firewall (on alix platform) they liked to switch order on reboot, despite the cables not being moved to different USB ports. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 13:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EBB2CB for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4EB022E1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kx10so4593420pab.15 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YUE4DDKZMV93SaCC7s3CPETKMp4pNTG+yDbWCCYILzc=; b=iaI0EphctxzIupDmtTF3VbvSESRjEJK0jI1KL63g2W3fqZ56NpbtjA8LB9t4CqSSRh gK1LQySmvWoAGStBYwpvGc79CqCO0UN4gEZqfIp3vO55vRmcyi4x9xR5NljILbu8b93M 7BUP5IMR/sSox8qjb+tX5IsCqrfRBuAjsgMWK44gDmuVwPxC1AjqdggtyMeDX5hgbAOW +vdaFCdk+/bfjuURw478V7aLLKNEQYoQFe+Zr/fi6PRTfRvUWG/yNwUBjPfnoIhqHzOK 6BEjEvAYiaJulMzKs6jbykBIv1+5ZLctcCYUV94T4VsfmKAvk4zyF9whBCzQSQYNV3/z cJaA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkN5Tcfefqeawy8/dUVjhrPZNJDhxqsa+lrssjt2nL6FsT5znfaeRaCMT2KPuXG2Wkhy3UG MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.171.164 with SMTP id av4mr3276080pbc.94.1382104391631; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.5 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Help with natd on a specific IP when multiple IPs on same interface From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:53:18 -0000 Hi, A while back I posted a problem related to natd on an single interface with multiple IPs. We use use natd to enable Internet access to a bunch of jails and also to redirect specific ports to some of the jails, whilst other jails may be bound to public IPs as well. The problem is that once natd is in operation, all the outbound traffic appears to come from the first public IP assigned to the interface. Is there any way to more granularly configure natd (static nat perhaps?) so that traffic that is bound to the other public IPs (i.e. from a jail that is bound to another public IP of the same interface) appears to come from the correct IP? Our overall set-up is pretty simple: a) A single nic (em0) with multiple public IPs b) All jails have one private IP in 192.168.101.x which are all aliases of lo0 c) Some jails may have both the private IP and also a public public IP. Any public IP bound to a specific jail is unique to that jail. d) One public IP is reserved for the base system e) For those jails that don't have public IPs we redirect the shh port with natd as well, using a port number scheme xxx22 where xxx is the last digits of the private IP f) HTTP inbound traffic is reverse-proxied using Apache mod_proxy to those jails that don't have public IP. The central proxy is also a jail that is bound to the base system's public IP which traps port 80 of the base system's IP. g) We make sure that nothing listens on * Every service is carefully tailored to bind to a specific IP. For example, all sshd of every jail listen specifically on their respective private IP. rc.conf ----------- natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="em0" natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" natd.conf -------------- redirect_port tcp 192.168.101.123:22 12322 etc... The specific objectives to fix are: 1) In the port redirect above to use the specific base system IP, something like: redirect_port tcp 192.168.101.123:22 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:12322 2) When a connection is made from inside a jail bound to a public IP, that it appears to come from that public IP and not from the first IP assigned to em0 3) That ssh -b xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx actually works correctly per point 2 above 4) Should we switch to kernel-based nat instead of natd? Thanks in advance for any help! -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 14:00:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9CE819 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (crispin.apple.com [17.151.62.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5C10238F for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:00:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay7.apple.com ([17.128.113.101]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MUV0000GAVY52R1@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:00:05 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807165-b7f186d0000011dc-e4-52613ee58a34 Received: from [17.153.34.39] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.34.39]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay7.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 59.FF.04572.5EE31625; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BASE ncurses vs devel/ncurses From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: <20131018125751.GB59282@mordor.lan> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:00:05 -0700 Message-id: <15B38F53-6729-4953-ABBE-A3B4A1C2A87C@mac.com> References: <20131017184343.GA49495@mordor.lan> <20131018125751.GB59282@mordor.lan> To: Julien Cigar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOFNJXfepXWKQQfsSVYuXXzexWLS8P8Hk wOQx49N8Fo8ZS9UCmKK4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mn7NuslYMJO14vytF2wNjNNYuhg5OSQETCSm vLzBCGGLSVy4t56ti5GLQ0igm0li2aG9rCAJZgEtiRv/XjJ1MXJw8AroSWz/JQcSFgYK753f zgISZhNQk5gwkQckzClgINHfdIcZxGYRUJWY83IKM8QURYkdbWtYIGxtiWULX4PFeQWsJP41 d4LFhQSCJSas7GEDsUUElCU2Nn5jgzhNVuL0uecsExj5ZyE5aBbCQbOQTF3AyLyKUaAoNSex 0lwvsaAgJ1UvOT93EyMo2BoKU3cwNi63OsQowMGoxMN74Ft8kBBrYllxZe4hRgkOZiUR3n3a iUFCvCmJlVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEeVf+TwgSEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1MG6QVYpv Kyq6qKzz8lWJxoQNpxqt+XjX5Tqa33H9O2H5xqgfm/cmJS3xd2tnd66e6eRygGciz47QUxzt N7fdYMjLcFoqXrrL/HLWh+thjoevZW91mcDPssL+/0G9n18LWGpkoxb3h3UWnJl76noLw5E3 +kaTBaaElsxe9nIqd9vcns+rgoI1BZRYijMSDbWYi4oTAa2xdscyAgAA Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:00:20 -0000 Hi-- On Oct 18, 2013, at 5:57 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: > no one ... ? is there really no way to force a port to compile against > BASE ncurses when devel/ncurses is installed? The easiest approach would be to package the installed version of devel/ncurses, uninstall devel/ncurses temporarily, build the other port, and then reinstall devel/ncurses from the package. Perhaps you can also go to town with -nostdinc / -nostdlib flags to the compiler toolchain, but that's going to become complicated if the port has other dependencies which it expects to find under /usr/local/{include,lib}. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 14:24:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2412377C for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B298325B0 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id c11so3769731wgh.26 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:23:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=edHH/2Bng/MgZIOAz1IcC7tKnifGf3EcAMQFOUYQjP8=; b=C0jLfE35jKsT3+Lm1ylaE5yAfdDSa4Uy0E6fvgHyYoVVWGTBAfTxJH8UCGuniK5zkB 2dEMYxxbJ0wYq61GSKZZZY0nlfUVMfoZp4w+WcMo49UjKCnxUanOQ6aDoeV9qpOOuf4G MTZ+1WpJeG+jCpZPAz0ex8OFRQyIqKmIUgDSnl5yLW7XnvkD6LOC3UjkBrHgJj10j6Rx fLeBJBY1dprNQa2/UIgn2vNAucH2TRYUziEqAV4z7LutP7qaxpEgAyW+avo1WFdVJpDV bFGmGd4QjkJzs66/q7aX1xGUvWstMh1hRB7qjaAecH1QsJoD8L6IjOu9iPxurt10yy/f WNWw== X-Received: by 10.194.94.167 with SMTP id dd7mr2102136wjb.43.1382106238041; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs15sm27503372wib.10.2013.10.18.07.23.56 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:23:55 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). Message-ID: <20131018152355.69447de7@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201310181254.r9ICshUi050154@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20131018134153.4dc44e93@gumby.homeunix.com> <201310181254.r9ICshUi050154@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:24:00 -0000 On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:54:43 +0100 (BST) Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Looking at the article > ( http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ > ) the default value of kern.maxswzone has also > changed meaning. > > On r256683 I get: > > # sysctl kern.maxswzone > kern.maxswzone: 0 > # > > So I'm not sure, do I set this variable > to the *total* swap size? It would be the metadata size. > Or to the excess, above the "maximum > recommended amount" reported by dmesg? As I pointed out before, you can only use kern.maxswzone to reduce the size below the default. Actually I think you're going to be OK. I had a look at the code that generated the warning: "total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages)." The recommended limit is half the theoretical maximum, so you're just reducing the safety margin by 9%. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 14:27:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2279922 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468A525E9 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9IER4Y8086203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:27:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <52614538.8090309@fjl.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:27:04 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). References: <201310181254.r9ICshUi050154@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <201310181254.r9ICshUi050154@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:27:15 -0000 On 18/10/2013 13:54, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) >> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:41:53 +0100 >> From: RW >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum >> recommended amount (8243200 pages). >> >> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:14:33 +0100 >> Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> >>> On 17/10/2013 17:01, RW wrote: >>>> The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may >>>> have changed a bit since 8.2. >>>> >>> This was running 8.2 on AMD64, and it's definitely there (and with >>> the same value as the i386 version). The code's there on 9.1, as is >>> the manifest constant in param.h and it's still the same value. I >>> haven't tried 9.2 yet. So what am I missing about i386? >> >> The changed was merged into 9-stable in September 2012, 9.1 was >> branched in August. > Looking at the article > ( http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ ) > the default value of kern.maxswzone has also > changed meaning. > > On r256683 I get: > > # sysctl kern.maxswzone > kern.maxswzone: 0 > # > > So I'm not sure, do I set this variable > to the *total* swap size? > Or to the excess, above the "maximum > recommended amount" reported by dmesg? > > As RW has pointed out, things may have moved on since the blog post (which was specific about it being AMD64 V8.2). However, back then maxswzone was the size of the radix tree, which doesn't correlate directly with the number of structures. I'm sure wikipedia will explain. As I said at the time, I didn't have a good way of calculating values - just up it and see. I think I flagged this whole situation as a bit naff at the time - it's okay for me to go to the kernel source for answers but this doesn't count as "user friendly", so I'm glad it's been addressed. However, if it's changed I'm to answer questions on the new version. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 14:28:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1701A0E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94C942615 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9IESRKD049241; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9IESRXJ049238; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:28:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: yudi v Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:28:28 -0000 On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, yudi v wrote: > ok got APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA > 230V > for > really cheap but this one only has a serial connection, and my server does > not have a serial port. > > I am thinking of getting a SUNIX SUN-UTS1009B UTS1009B USB to Port Serial > RS-232 Adapter > > did some research but not sure if this will work. > > Or I can get a PCI card with a serial port. > > Any suggestions. It's the chipset that's important, and the PL2303 works on FreeBSD. cable with the adapter integrated into the connectors is easier to use, and the price seems a bit high. If you can find it, the FTDI chipset is better. PCI serial cards should work also, although I can't recall trying any with FreeBSD. Before all that, check to see if there is a serial header on the motherboard. Then all you need is a standard DB9 to IDC cable, and any computer place should have a box full of those. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 19:36:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5562F4 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C19732970 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.135.129] (helo=tiny-r255948) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VXFpv-0001CP-Ko for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:35:51 +0200 Received: from tiny-r255948 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny-r255948 (8.14.7/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r9ILZn9l001010 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:35:49 GMT (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny-r255948 (8.14.7/8.14.3/Submit) id r9ILZlKv001009 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:35:47 GMT (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny-r255948: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:35:47 +0000 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: firefox && HTML5 && flash Message-ID: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r235646 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.135.129 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:36:01 -0000 Hello, I have a very recent 10-CURRENT with firefox 24.0.1 and Linux flash as .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so; Flash content, for example from http://www.telesurtv.net/ plays fine; Youtube plays also fine, but only when Linux flash is removed from .mozilla/plugins; if npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is there, Youtube complains. How can I switch between HTML5 and npwrapper.libflashplayer.so? Thx matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 18 21:28:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166C8F78 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E282EE3 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id elUM1m0094XeM0101lUNFj; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:28:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:27:34 +0000 From: Gary Kline To: Al Plant Subject: Re: UPS buying suggestion Message-ID: <20131018142734.GA10844@ethic.thought.org> References: <525D225B.7050205@fjl.co.uk> <20131016134311.12ca7673@X220.ovitrap.com> <525EFAC4.8000608@hdk5.net> <20131017092319.3bcf7cd5@X220.ovitrap.com> <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5260990F.2050108@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Frank Leonhardt , yudi v , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:28:34 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. gotta speak up:: my comments at bottom... On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 04:12:31PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > >Hi, > > > >On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:44:52 -1000 > >Al Plant wrote: > > > >>Erich Dollansky wrote: > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:35:32 +1000 > >>>yudi v wrote: > > > >Aloha, > >>I have 4 battery backups that I think are the older big brother of > >>the one that Eric is using. APC 900. I have replaced the batteries > >>with external Stationary Batteries. (Look like truck batteries, but > >>have small bolt on connections for backup systems.) I have them > >>hooked up in a cage beside the backups in my shed. I have used the > >>backups for up to 10 hours of uptime as a test. > > > >how long does it take to recharge the battery? > >>Here in Hawaii on Oahu island where I live, power outages are > >>common. > > > >The moment the name of an island sound so good that you want to live on > >it, they have problems with electricity. I am currently in Bali which > >is not so bad but Jawa is real bad if you do not live near the power > >station. > > > >>Many people have installed solar now since a car hitting an > >>electric pole is almost a daily problem. As is a contractor > >>digging and > >>breaking cables. Corroded fuses blowing on power line transformers > >>are also a major problem on any Pacific island. One of my clients > >>went down for 7 hours during the busy time last week for business. > >>They do have backup for gracefully shutting down computers that lasts > >>about 30 minutes, so they can get the customers cashed out with their > >>purchases, > >> > >What are 7h down-time? Just a coffee break. It happens in Jawa very > >often. Diesel generators are a good investment there. > > > >Erich > >>~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 > >> + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > >> + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + > >> < email: noc@hdk5.net > > >>"All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis > >>Carrol > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > Yes the price of paradise!~ > > Two transformers blew. The 2nd when the first went back on line and > they take about 3 and a half hours to replace. > > -- > > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + > < email: noc@hdk5.net > > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol > first, aloha, Al. been a long time. in the years that I have run my own domain, the biggest single prob I have had was power-outs. I started with one 286 and a huge 5meg drive! eventually moved to a 386 and had somewhere to back up my data. that wasn't perfect, but it saved me and a few people in the wilds of Wisconsin until we moved to Seattle. eventually I sprung for a "smart" APC UPS. had backups, etc. nothing's perfect, and a power-out around 03:00 ruined the best plans of mice and man. long-story-short, a friend eventually put in two new batteries and he also put in a 7kW gas generator. ---true, the weather here is just damp, miserable, and chilly. but the winds and blow branches down. drunks hit power poles. ETc. when the 9.0 or larger quake destroys everything, well, I'll be gone so no probs. {they keep finding new faults, but I'm too old to give a shi*t.} Ah life! what would we do without it? gary. 3 DElls, one UPS, one 8-port network switch, 4-port KVM switch, and a 4-watt netgate pfSense firewall. ---all waiting for the Big one to do le grand snuff, :_) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 03:30:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0402CA68 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0A6C2089 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9J3Uaqv053933; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9J3UZBF053930; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:30:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash In-Reply-To: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> Message-ID: References: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:30:38 -0000 On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I have a very recent 10-CURRENT with firefox 24.0.1 and Linux flash > as .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so; > > Flash content, for example from http://www.telesurtv.net/ plays fine; > > Youtube plays also fine, but only when Linux flash is removed from > .mozilla/plugins; if npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is there, Youtube > complains. > > How can I switch between HTML5 and npwrapper.libflashplayer.so? Set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false in about:config, and then restart Firefox. Do the opposite to switch back afterwards. It would be nice to find an easier way to do this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 03:36:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A73B34 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@phantombsd.org) Received: from scottmail.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB8F20B6 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scottmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527D024A427; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at scottmail.org Received: from scottmail.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scottmail.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nvdoRaQXX4v; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scottmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8114924A452; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at scottmail.org Received: from scottmail.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scottmail.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Pbjc4G0BPFcf; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scottmail.org (bearcat.phantombsd.org [192.168.1.20]) by scottmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998DC24A427; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:36:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Casey Scott To: Polytropon Message-ID: <640848482.387.1382153776544.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20131018072328.6267d3a8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1712475983.350.1382053431300.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> <251840039.356.1382053725512.JavaMail.root@phantombsd.org> <20131018072328.6267d3a8.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: ATA drive ID differences between kernels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.6] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.2_GA_5569 (ZimbraWebClient - GC30 (Win)/8.0.2_GA_5569) Thread-Topic: ATA drive ID differences between kernels Thread-Index: U4L7pD6nOnJtySs2KyP4PoZ/PKMDqQ== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Casey Scott List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:36:25 -0000 Labels solved my problem. Thanks! I also tried removing ata & atadisk, but the drives weren't detected. For posterity's sake, following these 2 links provided the info I needed for labeling: http://www5.us.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-glabel.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html Thanks again. -Casey ----- Original Message ----- > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:48:45 -0700 (PDT), Casey Scott wrote: > > I recently installed 9.2 on a server that was running 8.3. > > The problem I'm facing is that the GENERIC and my custom > > kernel ID drives differently: > > > > e.g. GENERIC CUSTOM > > drive 1 ada1 ada6 > > drive 2 ada2 ada7 > > drive 3 ada3 ada8 > > > > > > The result of which is a error code 19 at mountroot. > > This is a _perfect_ situation to start using labels. :-) > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > > > > > I've been through UPDATING, NOTES, Google, forums, etc. and > > can't determine what's missing from my custom kernel. Custom > > kernel config below: > > Just a guess: The kernel enumerates the devices as they come > up (presented by "the hardware"). There are "reserved number > ranges" according to what the storage controller _can_ offer, > even if it's not the case. > > Example from my home system: > > ad0 = ATA, primary master > ad1 = ATA, primary slave > ad2 = ATA, secondary master > ad3 = ATA, secondary slave > ad4 = SATA 1st port > ad6 = SATA 2nd port > > If I'd remove the support for the (ordinary) ata devices, > it would maybe be possible that the numbering scheme changes. > I'm not sure in how far AHCI (because of SATA) fits in here. > The SATA drives could then be ada0 and ada1, or ada4 and ada6 > respectively. > > I could imagine you're experiencing something similar... > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 05:36:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E81AB9 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nehe@telus.net) Received: from cmta16.telus.net (cmta16.telus.net [209.171.16.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1563026BE for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.41] ([75.159.225.232]) by cmta16.telus.net with TELUS id etbg1m00251URhX01tbgc5; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:35:40 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=TJabvSZa c=1 sm=2 a=0DCTPqL9JVKyx/LzsUzWHQ==:17 a=UzUnFGI9yZYA:10 a=LGgl8L9ij00A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=aatUQebYAAAA:8 a=lpfyz5VD1akA:10 a=_iSszlQzAAAA:8 a=X8A_bwf_qjrE6AGp8xMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-KjbzaIdK78A:10 a=0DCTPqL9JVKyx/LzsUzWHQ==:117 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 75.159.225.232 Message-ID: <52621A2B.1080706@telus.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:35:39 -0600 From: Jeff Molofee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Postfix & SASL ... Help References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:36:49 -0000 Will try to keep this short because this is a list... I posted the following on the BSD forums and have received no responses. I was hoping some bright minds on this list could help me out, or at least point me in the right direction. I'm trying to get postfix to authenticate users using auxprop/sasldb. I see the following error in maillog: "warning: SASL authentication failure: no user in db" I am using: FreeBSD 9.x (64 bit), Postfix 2.10.1,1 (PCRE, SASL2, TLS), cyrus-imapd-2.4.17_4, cyrus-sasl-2.1.26_2 (authdaemond, obsolete_cram_attr, {all mechs}) Cyrus is authenticating against SASL. Test results below: > smtptest -a {username} localhost S: 220 mail.{company}.com ESMTP Postfix C: EHLO smtptest S: 250-mail.{company}.com S: 250-PIPELINING S: 250-SIZE 20480000 S: 250-ETRN S: 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 NTLM S: 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 NTLM S: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES S: 250-8BITMIME S: 250 DSN Please enter your password: C: AUTH PLAIN AGrlZmZtBGhvbnRhY4J2 S: 235 2.7.0 Authentication successful Authenticated. Security strength factor: 0 In /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf I have: smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = proxy.domain.local smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination In /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf I have: pwcheck_method: auxprop auxprop_plugin: sasldb mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 NTLM Because the error is saying "no user in db", I'm guessing that postfix is not seeing the sasldb2.db at all. postfix is in the mail group and mail group has permission for files like sasldb2.db (I don't believe it's a permission issue). i thought maybe it was because I didn't have bdb support in cyrus-sasl or postfix, but it made no difference if I did or not. Right now I'm thinking because sasldblistusers2 shows users as follows: {user}@proxy.domain.local (machine domain) instead of: {user}@maildomain.com(web) that this could be my issue. But then wouldn't it say "user not found" rather than "no user in db"? why does smtptest work? would LOVE any help you guys are willing to offer... been at this for a few days now, and I'm starting to pull hair out :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 08:01:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD985799 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:01:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from binhtien1162@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-x243.google.com (mail-vb0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F6D32CD2 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f67.google.com with SMTP id x16so545751vbf.10 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:01:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yLZ/9mc5W5CqU5U4vy5qv9OHGH29ScmKNlBmwz8BzBw=; b=cKMIleU+yZUnRQ2mrfr8EjnFRg8adu5Eps5fgYEYJm2r+gyPNZK8Q74eO0ZVFXcX1L I4cXzEb5tdXLHBwuKCpb6EeQisrtEX44mxY5DxUUQyUAnHI0/J2vPhlZQxuL+Ytb4qKP gY+qTDn79SeiYcd6ULRMt3XsGJK2/W3DdXPfk21q3f25os+R2WYDQoIDWW6QCTvthwNU sUd16g3Ad/KOD4RdGvhuchAN9mGiRKG/esH6JqPcgxCr8rESRhvrkFDuuENBQKvt7wIv vTWYIGxvP2z6mSjDrZpkIVYPuklIfH8vsXV46Cz9mNfxVvmHYaRqKAI53OwYGGpyM8I+ +ZnA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.37.9 with SMTP id tc9mr48766vcb.39.1382169670006; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.255.228 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:01:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130918191636.GA5594@vagner-wrk.bsdway.ru> References: <20130918191636.GA5594@vagner-wrk.bsdway.ru> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:01:09 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pxe kernel booting From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD questions Mail List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:01:11 -0000 http://timhieuwordpress.comuv.com/ 2013/9/19 Vagner > Hello! > I tryed to load a kernels of FreeBSD from 8.1 to 9.1 versions in memory > throught Grub2pxe. > The kernel which is less or equal 9.0 is loading well, but the kernel 9.1 > gives me > different errors (for example: `error: address 0x94438 is out of range'). > The kernel 9.2 > gives me only reboot with boot throught Grub (before licence question > about copyrate). > > Could you explain me a difference between this kernels in the boot section? > Thanks > > -- > Respectfully, > Stanislav Putrya > System administrator > FotoStrana.Ru Ltd. > ICQ IM: 328585847 > Jabber-GoogleTalk: root.vagner > mob.phone SPB: +79215788755 > mob.phone RND: +79525600664 > email: vagner[at]bsdway.ru > email: putrya[at]playform.ru > email: root.vagner[at]gmail.com > site: bsdway.ru > site: fotostrana.ru > > ---------------------------------------- > ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign > X - against HTML, vCards and > / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 12:11:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A455D1F3 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: from lena.kiev.ua (lena.kiev.ua [82.146.52.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7216C2768 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:11:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lena.kiev.ua; s=3; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=wch4x8CvklE1JrBMDihJ8KbTu7of0JJ1DpN4kyvONuc=; b=iW0fFT/BHG6E6SqRlD1N/yh+ndG609DhO4aljCruqA0SrGnUwf1JgfZIo7V7VAavfq/ksJHu3tHS+XAZ2mpyotcSh60CwFwj5TYZh8raRpRsh2RatBZ9UNuysmBwqR9Px5ZQBTCGzktL4iHS/HkG8UihzJ+VvD02IUtQy2sWq8w=; Received: from ip-384c.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua ([94.244.56.76] helo=bedside.lena.kiev.ua) by lena.kiev.ua with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VXVNs-000I60-Oi; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:57 +0300 Received: from bedside.lena.kiev.ua (localhost.lena.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9JCBatC004142; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: (from lena@localhost) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r9JCBZEs004141; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:35 +0300 From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Warren Block , Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash Message-ID: <20131019121135.GK1736@lena.kiev> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:11:59 -0000 > From: Warren Block > On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > I have a very recent 10-CURRENT with firefox 24.0.1 and Linux flash > > as .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so; > > Flash content, for example from http://www.telesurtv.net/ plays fine; > > Youtube plays also fine, but only when Linux flash is removed from > > .mozilla/plugins; if npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is there, Youtube > > complains. > Set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false in about:config, and then restart > Firefox. Do the opposite to switch back afterwards. It would be nice > to find an easier way to do this. In about:config create (right-click anywere, New) two boolean variables with value "false" and names: dom.ipc.plugins.enabled.libflashplayer.so dom.ipc.plugins.enabled.npwrapper.libflashplayer.so and restart Firefox. With these (and dom.ipc.plugins.enabled default true), plugin-container is not used only for Flash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 15:18:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A73B95 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B3D22F42 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-17-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.34]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FEEE4C57 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mail-in-17-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221A610C029 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:17:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Passed host: 88.67.116.184 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-02.arcor-online.net F2FAF30165 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-088-067-116-184.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.67.116.184]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2FAF30165 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:17:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9JFHt6e063499 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:17:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r9JFHtqZ063498 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:17:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:18:04 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > Firefox 24 allows tab moves for me on both 9-stable and 10-stable. For me, Firefox 24 on 9-STABLE/amd64 allows moving tabs... until it doesn't. It works in a freshly started Firefox, but eventually it becomes impossible. I rearrange tabs infrequently and haven't yet noticed any pattern. Also, when I quit Firefox after tab moves have become impossible (but not before), a firefox process stays around which I have to kill(1) manually before being able to restart Firefox. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 17:48:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122D88B2 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clutton@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D8A27FE for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:48:19 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version; b=MSw074O1c/b5/lH1dZsjFFvJDO8/rJaF2JWbm+cpFygTUhfHtJ263VhmWI065aK3fvGB7uOx0QNR Rqj79VR0L9VSKmcZWc8BOBciPcTWFi/zY35zMRQQthqAMy6YlwS+ Received: from [192.168.11.5] (213.111.120.236 [213.111.120.236]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1382204897928814.6010600613942; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash From: clutton To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-L74l/CommQC98P6h3kNV" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:48:13 +0300 Message-ID: <1382204893.57770.16.camel@eva02> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 1 X-ZohoMail: Ss SS_10 UW UB UW UB ZMHF-MSGIDDMNPTN_1 SGR3_1_17103_232 X-ZohoMail-Owner: <1382204893.57770.16.camel@eva02>+zmo_0_ X-ZohoMail-Sender: 213.111.120.236 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:48:20 -0000 --=-L74l/CommQC98P6h3kNV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there. One: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5 Second: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5/ And the flash disable addon (I didn't try it, 'cause I don't have the flash plugin installed): https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/flashdisable Despite being the author of "one" I have to say that Klemens' addon better right now. Mine perform only one function, it plays(). On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 21:30 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Matthias Apitz wrote: >=20 > > I have a very recent 10-CURRENT with firefox 24.0.1 and Linux flash > > as .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so; > > > > Flash content, for example from http://www.telesurtv.net/ plays fine; > > > > Youtube plays also fine, but only when Linux flash is removed from > > .mozilla/plugins; if npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is there, Youtube > > complains. > > > > How can I switch between HTML5 and npwrapper.libflashplayer.so? >=20 > Set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false in about:config, and then restart= =20 > Firefox. Do the opposite to switch back afterwards. It would be nice= =20 > to find an easier way to do this. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=-L74l/CommQC98P6h3kNV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJSYsXdAAoJECNkWbjnbjuiMSwP/i6M6eoUnx8F7fbhj87kKonu SorViHdUbSapJeTa9z8FUIJOrWea8aIJTx091cnfPfFOvayRUJw5OGQzuzIhdFXN RFoBVnNE1jhlHKhQMfpBGzd++8CQTAGLOdVuU8u5hTxclGXtAm8qVZFp81C1FaLf ukQROW6qHG2Z4XN/KbrRom37p/f24ETJx/59pMwIAAUjPTHRgr7ypro0Se5hFzAL VEi15MbK12/JXuJOtajEmEMn0MxIiY7ZqGrJkvnTqYCrDGMd4UjigGgQKgpK2aaf Nlji1WfbVQ9wfhEzIjLVVizrN80emKW8Sg+M3yXqWyNC7KPOetVmM2ksJiBOhRRO AwRInmEu6J/U311Ee8lIHYjvfRNFtKRD+dRKKiTmr3BBdtVu1tPbdhcnNf5WU3wZ 2PXKTIMXvGysVLN0+15tSHmeCq+7AOb5D9liyYtdZ2/0QAMpp1RRd7CWZ1A/1KbC 5Z2W8Da2B9Rs03EBG6Iyq1YOoURll6qDDnYsHeFNlob4z/GJc4eNUe1EOIB0ha4p xz18VaMT9xmmJMkZP6gYIMae/+UBWPR6QgqL/+OOV3rD9wLCL52PWlYjveRjwnUt IEON5T78jGoUIkk2Hps80OcreSoLCTely11zs0C8Ymvy+nWnT5WfughsV+dGMYiT SNbavu9i6WhzMsI9fsKu =vUb5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-L74l/CommQC98P6h3kNV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 17:51:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248119D4 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrkvrg@acm.org) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.bway.net [216.220.96.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F28C52860 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gecko3.bs.net (host-216-220-115-90.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 133BB95870 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:50:59 -0400 Message-ID: <2356599.DtiP5pEVWl@gecko3.bs.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.10.5; i386; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20131019121135.GK1736@lena.kiev> References: <20131019121135.GK1736@lena.kiev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mrkvrg@acm.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:51:12 -0000 On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:35 Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote: > > From: Warren Block > > > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > I have a very recent 10-CURRENT with firefox 24.0.1 and Linux flash > > > as .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so; > > > Flash content, for example from http://www.telesurtv.net/ plays fine; > > > Youtube plays also fine, but only when Linux flash is removed from > > > .mozilla/plugins; if npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is there, Youtube > > > complains. > > > > Set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false in about:config, and then restart > > Firefox. Do the opposite to switch back afterwards. It would be nice > > to find an easier way to do this. > > In about:config create (right-click anywere, New) two boolean variables > with value "false" and names: > dom.ipc.plugins.enabled.libflashplayer.so > dom.ipc.plugins.enabled.npwrapper.libflashplayer.so > > and restart Firefox. > With these (and dom.ipc.plugins.enabled default true), > plugin-container is not used only for Flash. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello Lena, Thanks for this tip. It has solved my recent problems with youtube. However, when I use Google Street Maps (which needs flash) with your suggested settings the screen turns black and freezes. If I reverse your settings Google Street Maps works but HTML5 videos do not. Any suggestions? Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 18:29:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E93DD for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 18:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrkvrg@acm.org) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.bway.net [216.220.96.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16AF229EA for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 18:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gecko3.bs.net (host-216-220-115-90.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE8E495870 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:29:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1428332.LRtVS93gzS@gecko3.bs.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.10.5; i386; ; ) In-Reply-To: <1382204893.57770.16.camel@eva02> References: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> <1382204893.57770.16.camel@eva02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mrkvrg@acm.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 18:29:37 -0000 Hello, On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:48:13 clutton wrote: > Hi there. > > One: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5 > > Second: > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5/ > > And the flash disable addon (I didn't try it, 'cause I don't have the > flash plugin installed): > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/flashdisable I received this message a couple of minutes after requesting a solution to switch between flash and HTML5. I tried the third option and it meets my needs. If I need to switch from one mode to the other it is a simple matter of clicking on the button that appears on the toolbar and then reload the page. If the button is red, flash can be used, if it is greyed-out HTML5 is loaded. This addon was tested using the default settings in about:config. Many thanks for this tip. Cheers ... Marek > Despite being the author of "one" I have to say that Klemens' addon > better right now. Mine perform only one function, it plays(). > > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 21:30 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > I have a very recent 10-CURRENT with firefox 24.0.1 and Linux flash > > > as .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so; > > > > > > Flash content, for example from http://www.telesurtv.net/ plays fine; > > > > > > Youtube plays also fine, but only when Linux flash is removed from > > > .mozilla/plugins; if npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is there, Youtube > > > complains. > > > > > > How can I switch between HTML5 and npwrapper.libflashplayer.so? > > > > Set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false in about:config, and then restart > > Firefox. Do the opposite to switch back afterwards. It would be nice > > to find an easier way to do this. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 19:28:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A91BD03 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC8582C2C for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.99.231] (helo=tiny-r255948) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VXcCD-0002wk-FI; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:28:21 +0200 Received: from tiny-r255948 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny-r255948 (8.14.7/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r9JLSK7g000902; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:28:21 GMT (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny-r255948 (8.14.7/8.14.3/Submit) id r9JLSJXn000901; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:28:19 GMT (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny-r255948: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:28:19 +0000 From: Matthias Apitz To: mfv Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash Message-ID: <20131019212819.GA896@tiny-r255948> References: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> <1382204893.57770.16.camel@eva02> <1428332.LRtVS93gzS@gecko3.bs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1428332.LRtVS93gzS@gecko3.bs.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r235646 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.231 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:28:25 -0000 El día Saturday, October 19, 2013 a las 02:29:32PM -0400, mfv escribió: > > And the flash disable addon (I didn't try it, 'cause I don't have the > > flash plugin installed): > > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/flashdisable > > I received this message a couple of minutes after requesting a solution to > switch between flash and HTML5. > > I tried the third option and it meets my needs. If I need to switch from one > mode to the other it is a simple matter of clicking on the button that appears > on the toolbar and then reload the page. If the button is red, flash can be > used, if it is greyed-out HTML5 is loaded. Hello mfv, Isn't it risky to install such kind of software? What about if it is recording your future keystrokes? Thx matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz, , http://www.unixarea.de/ f: +49-170-4527211 UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 19:31:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED14FEA0 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aurfalien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22c.google.com (mail-ob0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A39412C7A for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id gq1so742133obb.17 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:31:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id; bh=63ACLzmNr4etvmDlqQjgZHn/+47zeqZNddcDgrV3ijs=; b=g4Hmm5oyGQv/UQhVJl5eyf8GYnTIzRT0gOM+yYsuSjg8hxQgnTPK6X9mn/4hplcorx KCscQ0RBUoFzhS65XtKnPSvaysiMiZO/wYStSKB59DqF77QGqqHfz37wnCFwPh0tEa29 DZEcjhKfNWbIyQYuVbQm5mWsU+ifIyeLqcMteOGYKqKKkto8gu62ePfzuEGBdrnJ3hNs Mk8pZAB8R7E/hQxzFT9tMf3U5AC+IDv/y4jUd/L4KSgSclfvG8uls1YeuXUXeDZbcAgK 5J+pX1K+MRxd2KIpsuTmU5wxUlYxQp/A1TtWlWh60Uza+lUA2D6Il43BE31EdQLRe8PT GGcw== X-Received: by 10.182.131.196 with SMTP id oo4mr1460266obb.50.1382211102954; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.74] (75-63-29-182.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [75.63.29.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hs4sm18481732obb.5.2013.10.19.12.31.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: aurfalien Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:31:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <525D143B.50202@gmail.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <1381600575.18393.33219025.5D7B78D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8CA809B3-1692-4760-A63F-9D7451EB49BD@gmail.com> <525D143B.50202@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:31:44 -0000 On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote: > aurfalien wrote: >> On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is = my Mac >>>> faster then my PC" kind of email. >>>>=20 >>>> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. >>>>=20 >>> It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares = for >>> those HBAs? >> Upon doing this; >>=20 >> sysctl -a | grep mps >>=20 >> I get this; >>=20 >> dev.mps.0.driver_version: 14.00.00.01-fbsd >>=20 >> LSIs site mentions the latest drives at being 17.00.00.00 >>=20 >> I'll go ahead and install the latest to see what happens. >>=20 >> Whats the best way to do this, I assume build it and load via = loader.conf? >>=20 >> - aurf >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The way i do it is from FreeBSD itself. > I did it on FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.2, never did it on a 9.1 or 10 Current. = I also never did it on cards other then the 9211-8i LSI cards.=20 > So do not hold me responsible if things go wrong :D > If things go wrong it can damage the card so it has to be put in for = RMA > Download the firmware, and the sas2flash file for FreeBSD=20 >=20 > Then i do the following > =20 >=20 > myrootonzfs ~ # ./sas2flash -listall >=20 >=20 Rather then up the driver in FreeBSD 9, (I tried and it didn't go too = well anyways) I left it at v14 and down graded the firmware. While the = Intel rebranded LSI controllers were stuck at an older Intel version, I = decided to make them all v14 of the LSI firmware. Throughput has improved a bit and it seems more consistent in terms of = test results. So the key here in FreeBSD is to match firmware with driver versions. = Linux didn't seem to care but all OS's have there nuances so I'm not = concerned. In terms of flashing the firmware, I had to do it via EFI using the = -force flag. Even though v14 didn't have an EFI tool , v17 did so I = used it while specifying v14 firmware file. But a note on the Linux comparison; While I mimicked my values on both platforms, I did not mimic all = values. ZoL comes with a little interesting feature; arc2 compression, which = does seem to enhance performance all around. I disabled this in CentOS = to level the playing field. There are several other things I saw on ZoL which seem very new and more = in line with ZFS on FreeBSD 10. So I installed FreeBSD 10, set up my prefs as before but performance = were very close to FreeBSD 9, which were both lower to ZoL in CentOS. I've attached my IOzone results in zipped xls format if any one is = interested. I'm still baffled as to why CentOS has substantially better = results. * Concerning the graphs; Scales are all set equal to allow for easy comparisons. Values to the right are avg file sizes in my env; 8MB 12MB 16MB 30MB 53MB 2GB At any rate, I'm hoping some one could help solve this performance = discrepancy. I suppose a dump of my hardware list and ZFS properties are in order but = only if any one is interested as I don't like typing in vein :) Thanks in advance, - aurf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 19 20:31:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D2D134 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clutton@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACB72F36 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:31:24 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version; b=n3WAbYHjiN/B1PZBdYT+MauKXBgS0l3igqs03J0ttWVshyQk3UTFyTAbqEKsljNteiMN7h+WFVhY 1Vica4VvoLYVlARBxS2A2XAKikfCaR4F3ywtzeJ2HMEv9+jYMpvI Received: from [192.168.11.5] (213.111.120.236 [213.111.120.236]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1382214682922829.2212967980818; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: firefox && HTML5 && flash From: clutton To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20131019212819.GA896@tiny-r255948> References: <20131018213547.GA1001@tiny-r255948> <1382204893.57770.16.camel@eva02> <1428332.LRtVS93gzS@gecko3.bs.net> <20131019212819.GA896@tiny-r255948> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-cMusAbXGbbWZdN6YuWDT" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:31:17 +0300 Message-ID: <1382214677.94228.28.camel@eva02.mbsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 1 X-ZohoMail: Ss SS_10 UW UB UW UB SGR3_1_17103_258 X-ZohoMail-Owner: <1382214677.94228.28.camel@eva02.mbsd>+zmo_0_ X-ZohoMail-Sender: 213.111.120.236 X-ZohoMailClient: External X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:31:25 -0000 --=-cMusAbXGbbWZdN6YuWDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course it is not! I'm a FreeBSD user and Klemens lives in Germany... FreeBSD users and Germans don't do such things... :) BTW. If you see green install button, it means that firefox addons team had approved this addon. And all sources is available on github. And you can always see the sources. It's just JS. On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 21:28 +0000, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=83=C2=ADa Saturday, October 19, 2013 a las 02:29:32PM -0400, mfv = escribi=C3=83=C2=B3: >=20 > > > And the flash disable addon (I didn't try it, 'cause I don't have the > > > flash plugin installed): > > > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/flashdisable > >=20 > > I received this message a couple of minutes after requesting a solution= to=20 > > switch between flash and HTML5. > >=20 > > I tried the third option and it meets my needs. If I need to switch fro= m one=20 > > mode to the other it is a simple matter of clicking on the button that = appears=20 > > on the toolbar and then reload the page. If the button is red, flash c= an be=20 > > used, if it is greyed-out HTML5 is loaded. >=20 > Hello mfv, >=20 > Isn't it risky to install such kind of software? What about if it is > recording your future keystrokes? >=20 > Thx >=20 > matthias --=-cMusAbXGbbWZdN6YuWDT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJSYuwVAAoJECNkWbjnbjuict0QAJqr+dh/77SR3pMTSa9OvaE1 fUWzenxit2qAkIZ4jlz/xSgYKXdmH/vppCqKfBuNzh+YChcZOw2U18T6tyUK+s0G Hx53XK5pME6HD1wLoAgNlE2c89RFEEwhuDzmEh+2cXudw2OFLRZkWmBHoEIW4wyP nkzp/QIN4r7zolO7LMSEN1DU3rqWyujU3oqodHK9yA5yoG8BzwqNwNRC7GwVTdXD ZlvtceYHy3WnBYXr8KmEamuUS4h1YMtUJAjvyw5PtIbWXfu9A5ceg8c9H0uT2WTE Wsxf66X0dbkeySv/WcFaOTC4jOWJHsv8P1aFh+9f1lwyTpOGdtiaQj/8HDFhmF2K kFNT3LpYI78zwF7f2Hc6cDVGUg/q9B072+bSVp25vxFBVxUC/B5F4678hm9z5UkG 0+c0ZJhod2Z7I1f38NbaSdrlVRgHgVaj95jcthl4scS2HAGEvECpbMK6O3oS2+o6 fApQrCmfHYvNsH10ltfKTRk+rVauxeQ37uvKv/SDHeSSNodcVoJiocYSNyVsk0o/ lUp5G/lLDuVepVBi7uqDRGDIJPFMrt0BvtVNbs8K4h5YN0O0S60+qKqbobARVmOX sC+/cMa8SSzGSuv6xgeA8bjqEVIsGLzURWpsdNiIc3oyKHacYV+SRzT1qRe1DgXt Ud0wWbesuXNFouklIh7o =VsYE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-cMusAbXGbbWZdN6YuWDT--