From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 03:20:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5EBBD96BB for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2836BF for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473823087; bh=TSr6cbAb9UBBwVeu9kzdzzzoEPeevmyhbLedgEuQhtE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=CQMh70E6lLXPsptSfP0FZO6ljDygEiW/a7MPW0aSIm6wfuWEo/zz+KMtB2nmJLHUxOyYSNtHO6jnTJamXWIN16BgoUNzq/4IxPUUUyeT5M5Gon5b57DdSt1rejPGGAbHEhsrypefD8YdiBSLggNsttPbeoZc2gChsfAjae36PicOzDHHfN5j04rp5hwgviTwUhniPPpjJfAmow8hPC/hX1sPp+zqKZpYbNGiiER61qS/2+6rVJ9OqVIit0cWonRh8OuLJPpQdli7W0Y+kKRaWohCVWUzzI/3FMmy76dQi2t2zZaBe2mGtwtgRRRbD7LFlPh+78+tNrcbvfpXfjrazA== Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 03:18:07 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.76] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 03:18:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 03:18:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 621735.52140.bm@smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6Ryc7XYVM1nTzWXH2pjzIfThlqZnjd_VY1dUUxtytQhlXT8 agQo7kyLGa.mYfHlEtxncpHHs32XrD7fu3bTEWJ.MUeC.L2Y6jHbkVbsPLAC Oe5DgP.l7rS_gpjB6UdkWYOc3ITThXD5RkLnIl.wRjKVeD_F35.p1_Yj1mrW 3RIK5sNH2by5H4zaIwKY8cmO.hyT5l7_Qr59sEZPKKh0ukoH1I_4B7DO853P dCrYYEWh25_0PB.F6iMSbgogv6iIsWES6Jl9XPG8a7PuLEgWd.ESns4RN9zP BxtJjGnEKnlxqEPtXasYNjD0Qk3hRQzgg8E7lsY.MDli7lt9tySX0va5p7Pt 5BFf50wRu.gOok7TINwwtibT.t2UT2L8MDn2GVJ6bqH2cbmOtAzEVzk0lPRz fvWlosrfxqbn8st5v9Bt6NQij3NLvC1yHe2jEbBWPDJondB7z9N_cy6b1tid jp43ijCBpTJoDmHdqH6VWNaFTFOC3sVC1wjr0xYRyQgomOqFw7Eayql0ZgY6 eTsmnlbo6Ekvne2IbM7FIhjJpcBsBc8E7rNipauzuyC5zlA4QoZJ5 X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:20:48 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run >their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". >However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a few seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives again. Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few years old. My spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no evil software touches it. I never had to use a tool, which anyway wouldn't have worked, because it's an USB device. >> IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU >> Regulation > >??? By an EU Regulation all external drives must go to sleep after a while. >> just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this >> software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. > >Don't use the drives: no point in spinning up and down; besides, as I >said, I had 4 of them and even if I disabled this brain damage, they >all died within one year. I already explained why this happened. The spins for your drive might not have happened within seconds after using this utility, but as for my drive, when using bad software, what I usually don't do, every 30 minutes or something around this. I bought my WD green drive 2013-02-27 and never had an issue, IOW it's nearly 4 years old. As already pointed out, I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software that touches the drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the drives goes asleep. You spread FUD about WD drives. Regards, Ralf