From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 18:59:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F5816A419 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183C613C469 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so2004107nzf for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:59:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rcb8Q6PTKTrPXeOfSCKBJNZBqiPQ/bZjTq7oqVl4Vi0=; b=vknap2Ek87aqKSrfPIIqp0aiY13YpjYX6Xj0BLEZTN3xsEp3A9bZqf4jXUTY+eOwyONxvKs6dWuMTdZAKRLht/DtjhUcD9xQUHDWHAY3tCEZWnC8YHdA11IVfaw4ghIRXl8iJJwGLge8nyHs3kVXutdaJtN6bGZb4yV9OtRpBuk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DhkJvAM+YY9HMKIsHf4cVlFY+JAS0VmOXG7NyUw1tA9+nkN+ETKBfbtWiD+uW0FyLYk4oTZpuGw4DBOrWs2yziF9CzBli9uI3Efo/bhAU8gyGVKRI2lM6l5XXCQCvbqrUE+tSnFQs1u8H+w/P7tPmnyxEVpwgTZrR18bNbcIDx8= Received: by 10.142.216.9 with SMTP id o9mr3471957wfg.1196708345505; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm7349504qba.2007.12.03.10.59.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:59:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475451F7.2030003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:59:03 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> <47543109.3050303@gmail.com> <7957A7E2-3ADA-4BD5-934C-F10A1F08F72F@FreeBSD.org> <47544020.5090605@gmail.com> <47544727.9030209@gmail.com> <34531C67-A2F9-48DB-8161-34593AC0C481@FreeBSD.org> <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> <05565EA0-357D-42AC-BEA1-A9F7A9796B40@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <05565EA0-357D-42AC-BEA1-A9F7A9796B40@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:59:07 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:23 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Only 2 are self-reported maintainers and at least 5 admit to not >> being maintainers... I think your main issue is you are 100% in >> "there is nothing wrong" camp and for what ever reason want to >> convience everyone else any effort to say/do differently is >> misguided. > > Please cite where I stated that, or post a retraction. > > I'll thank you for not putting words into my mouth. The fact you have not made a single constructive contribution and that all your replies are negative and doomsday'ish is enough evidence. > > You seem unable to grasp even basic statistical fundamentals of > what a survey entails, and have repeatedly worked on the basis that > somehow anyone who even points out the simplest of flaws is part > of the "them" camp. Not at all there are plenty of responible replies (both public and privately) that have helped focus the discussions... yours are negative just to be negative. > > This is not "us vs them". You've decided to take on, as countless > others before you have done, an attempt at changing status quo > without providing even the basics, let alone prototypes, as to how > it *might* be done. You just admitted you bias so why are you now attempting say that your not in the "there is nothing wrong" camp. > > Quite frankly, this appears to be nothing more than random > thoughts, with not even an iota of concrete information to back it > up. All intial attempts at gathering data are by definition highly subjective and by definition somewhat random.... the main goal of the survey is to assist in making a better set of more focused questions. > > Naturally, I can't speak for the FreeBSD community at large, but > from this keyboards perspective, you're doing nothing other than > wasting time. > > Prove me wrong. Consider it a challenge. > Trivial... Just did in less then 10 lines of text. - -- Aryeh M. 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