From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 5 18:16:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4081065678 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F296C8FC17; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <481F4EED.2030300@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:16:13 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer References: <4dcb5abd0805050540m292b319aw52aa2cb8ba018e12@mail.gmail.com> <481F0DB3.9070505@FreeBSD.org> <481F48EE.3050806@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <481F48EE.3050806@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Carl Shapiro Subject: Re: binary compatibility query X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 18:16:15 -0000 Julian Elischer wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: >> Carl Shapiro wrote: >>> FreeBSD Hackers, >>> >>> I have a general question about the compatibility of FreeBSD binaries >>> within major releases. If I build a binary for a given release of >>> FreeBSD can I make a reasonable guarantee that the binary will run on >>> both previous and subsequent minor releases of the same major release? >>> In other words, if I build on FreeBSD 6.3 and do not rely on anything >>> unique to 6.3 (such as the presence of specific version strings) how >>> certain can I be that the code will or will not run on 6.2, 6.1 etc.? >>> >>> Also, is this documented anywhere on the FreeBSD web site? The >>> closest thing I could find is the following guidance for driver >>> vendors which falls just short of answering my question: >>> >>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/VendorInformation >>> >>> (Too bad the fancy illustration is missing.) >> >> Binaries compiled on a certain version of FreeBSD will continue to run >> on later versions, but are not guaranteed to run on earlier versions >> (and in fact *will* not run depending on the binary). This is because >> over time the system libraries and kernel grow new features which may >> be used by applications, so they will therefore fail to run if >> executed on old systems that do not provide these features. >> >> If your goal is to provide an application that runs on a range of >> FreeBSD versions, then either build it for the oldest of these >> versions, or provide multiple versions if there is a reason to do so >> (e.g. if there have been major improvements in the OS that are >> relevant to your application). > > I agree in general, however we do make an attempt to keep ABI > compatibility within a release line, so that there is a high > probability that a binary compiled on a later one will run on > an earlier one as long as it does not rely on new features. Actually we don't attempt to keep this form of ABI compatibility (running 6.3 binaries on 6.0, for example), because it basically precludes ever adding new functions to libc within a branch, or new syscalls to the kernel. You are correct that often binaries will not notice these accumulated changes though, or can be carefully constructed to avoid them. Kris