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Date:      Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:50:22 -0400
From:      Aryeh Friedman <>
To:        Chris Knipe <>
Cc:        Polytropon <>, FreeBSD - <>
Subject:   Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:28 AM Chris Knipe <> wrote:

>   Your own message - a very good example of
> what's wrong with it.  Straight from gmail.  In outlook (for example, which
> has a narrower reading plane), it will be even worse, as even -more-
> scrolling would be required.

Reading the original message on gmail was no problem for me nor unreadable
in any way (you must have your gmail configured in some f'ed up way!).

> We don't use 640x480 monitors anymore (hell, not even our SSH sessions run
> at these low resolutions and 80 col / 25 rows anymore) - we're way past
> that as well...  Whilst I now have to scroll up and down to read your
> message, I could have seen your entire message in one screen without the
> need to scroll up and down.

Maybe if you have *perfect* eyesight you could see it on one screen! (Not
everyone is 18 and has vision better than most fighter pilots).    And you
might be wrong about the row/col count of some/most SSH (X based terminal
apps) for example on a 1920x1080 monitor (27") my 50 year old eyes need
37x135 (not that much larger than 25x80) when using a xfce terminal, the
default font size is unreadable even with 1.75 diopter reading glasses
(which are not needed if I use the above resolution).    Before you go
crazy about how everything can be done via a GUI I have one question: are
you a programmer or a sysadmin? (if not then you have no idea of how useful
a command line is vs. the GUI).

> What's the most efficient?  I guess that's a matter of opinion too.

If it is unreadable then it is clearly no efficient.

> I hear what you are saying, and I am by no means suggesting sending a 200kb
> email, with 10mb of HTML embedded in it either, but we are WAY past, 80
> col, 25 rows...   It would be interesting to see how 80x25 actually looks
> on today's say, 34" monitors (or whatever the entry level monitors are
> these days)

Entry level from my local computer superstore (microcenter) is 25" and I am
sure I would have an even lower resolution there.  So no we are *NOT* way
past 25x80, you are just being dense and an elitist to say otherwise.

> --
> Regards,
> Chris Knipe
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