From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 16 12:50:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9B8337DAD for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49mSjR1ZFMz3fTv for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id x189so12620642iof.9 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WRNYRSaXkeQkqgWTScrLwnd0k6Y2aM1TIsv7XugPOjU=; b=HU9/pIpjQxFMsn0ZypvTdDZ52dyh9GTO/gLpeb2VJcBugRgmHQstHcvUQ4+hEKfzJS 1kQ8BbHwPMNNyri5I6ICfbVaenLriIjsYv2a9bgdlSQNJhMqJozpwWTl3sPHCo98dLJv ua07Hxq3QL/wq3DPJv54TLCqusVR/WXhRxs8UDTBwVNCwxlstOn4jhge/PeUJqZYwkjr ySA1vBOCXtIa+BkK8+SmZ2QvbDHecTgXSK9ojz7/J0BJdCUiQb6mT9Jr5sPeojH9xrcy Wwp0+S0m4I9/Wv2u3wiUJ0XlZDWsl15Rn9QhDcsfKpJsK23L/JUnub7CT2xRWnu8gaT+ HkRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WRNYRSaXkeQkqgWTScrLwnd0k6Y2aM1TIsv7XugPOjU=; b=dWNd4OgAXamcCSQOae00GgsNgAOXZ+0hfJLyZqdf/qoAlS9sSTIMmmFbAWV8pdbTDc uMx90BideQMgt9HXEpIVfjEywilTflJaVErbdgTrwcSnnYxJsYN1fYu7n3lg8al3DCsx fuF+ZGWIHglY/KABZxWnRFxg8Yza9hBFOX1RSjIGtr9YKwmAbPJwEha2+Pd5D/TTXOvz aieHCWJDumWvQrMhaKR/8UXEk7J6J7/B6ZdVRNkRNl3nYT7Rv++k3dxui4jNicuaqZ71 mHlnT5TnE7UnLFwi5oYCClvFkY3d7nARb6xs31cwPqitnMLyLh/nNwwneYTcjbWPzu/g VXsg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531HuIaRQq7RwOcclYbTHM4pdf5YXU5k17jNXqV5Eh6FY+80+HTI VHoo9jEA2P2Jnti3NwPehXsPn8pDHTPZ/AcWYRkJJKYm X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzGjXfmysjOhqpBvBs6VuVMCPh69c0DgmsxMOdZZBG8CvzYY60XcbWTr9PVukyE5C+g7LmmWrAvrp8AhSVsbiE= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:1448:: with SMTP id 69mr2408516iou.83.1592311834087; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:50:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <13115.1592302784@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20200616071153.00006f4d@seibercom.net> <20200616075548.000066f1@seibercom.net> <20200616140416.bd7b8bf2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd To: Chris Knipe Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD - X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mSjR1ZFMz3fTv X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=HU9/pIpj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.040]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.485]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:50:36 -0000 On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:28 AM Chris Knipe wrote: > https://imgur.com/a/eW01Zc2 Your own message - a very good example of > what's wrong with it. Straight from gmail. In outlook (for example, which > has a narrower reading plane), it will be even worse, as even -more- > scrolling would be required. > Reading the original message on gmail was no problem for me nor unreadable in any way (you must have your gmail configured in some f'ed up way!). > We don't use 640x480 monitors anymore (hell, not even our SSH sessions run > at these low resolutions and 80 col / 25 rows anymore) - we're way past > that as well... Whilst I now have to scroll up and down to read your > message, I could have seen your entire message in one screen without the > need to scroll up and down. > Maybe if you have *perfect* eyesight you could see it on one screen! (Not everyone is 18 and has vision better than most fighter pilots). And you might be wrong about the row/col count of some/most SSH (X based terminal apps) for example on a 1920x1080 monitor (27") my 50 year old eyes need 37x135 (not that much larger than 25x80) when using a xfce terminal, the default font size is unreadable even with 1.75 diopter reading glasses (which are not needed if I use the above resolution). Before you go crazy about how everything can be done via a GUI I have one question: are you a programmer or a sysadmin? (if not then you have no idea of how useful a command line is vs. the GUI). > What's the most efficient? I guess that's a matter of opinion too. > If it is unreadable then it is clearly no efficient. > I hear what you are saying, and I am by no means suggesting sending a 200kb > email, with 10mb of HTML embedded in it either, but we are WAY past, 80 > col, 25 rows... It would be interesting to see how 80x25 actually looks > on today's say, 34" monitors (or whatever the entry level monitors are > these days) > Entry level from my local computer superstore (microcenter) is 25" and I am sure I would have an even lower resolution there. So no we are *NOT* way past 25x80, you are just being dense and an elitist to say otherwise. > -- > > Regards, > Chris Knipe > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org