Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:25:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> To: mpp@mppsystems.com (Mike Pritchard) Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh Message-ID: <200004071325.GAA40640@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <20000407055928.A48528@mppsystems.com> from Mike Pritchard at "Apr 7, 2000 05:59:28 am"
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[CC: whacked back to -arch] > On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 10:53:43PM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > : users I know, only about 10% use csh over tcsh and that is only bec= ause > > > : csh is in the base system. Those people would not even notice the = extra > > > : tcsh features. > >=20 > > Trust me I would notice the mis-features. Once installed tcsh 'cas I w= as > > told how great it was. Riped it out 4 hours later due to incompatibili= ties > > with these 40 year old, 20 year BSD csh trained fingers of mine would k= eep > > typing things that tcsh didn't like. >=20 > Sorry to add to a thread that I should probably stay away from...but... >=20 > Having used csh for almost as long as Rod has, I can sometimes tell > within 10 minutes after logging in if I'm using csh or tcsh. There are > differences. I haven't tried a recent tcsh port in a while, but > since there is a lot of discussion about this, I think that we should > hold off on any changes. It took me all of 4 commands and I was already running into diffences, mainly in the ``command completion'' that O'Brien wants this for. Well, tcsh and csh are quite diffent in how they do file name completion. 2 key strokes is not a penalty I am going to pay. (esc vs esc esc). Having it add trailing / is another one I dislike. And what is that damn space there for on non-dirs. I really dislike that. I often complete a filename and tack something on, as in: cp foo foo.bak typed as: cp f=1B f=1B.bak tcsh makes me do: cp f=1B=1Bf=1B=1B=08.bak ARGHH!!! This is not effecient... exit pkg_delete tcsh see ya.... >=20 > Just to see if my point is still valid, I think I'll go install > tcsh and start using it as my shell for a while. You won't last long. I actually kept ponding away at it until it caused me to do something stupid.... :-( All of 20 minutes maybe. Now.... I did my part... I tried tcsh. I say that it is in no way user transparent if we change /bin/csh, and it will down right frustrate a few people. --=20 Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.= net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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