From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 27 8:15:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [216.152.64.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801C137B42A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whenever ([206.171.168.130]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:15:42 -0700 From: David Schwartz To: , Technical Information , FreeBSD Chat X-Mailer: PocoMail 2.51 (988) - Registered Version Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:15:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8090000.1001510193@lobster.originative.co.uk> Subject: Re: helping victims of terror Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <20010927151542.AAA26017@shell.webmaster.com@whenever> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:16:33 +0100, Paul Richards wrote: >> The biggest problem I have with Communism is the desire to= destroy all >>capitalist markets, even when it meant using military force. = If >>Communists had historically been content with maintaining the= social order >>of their countries, it might not have registered as such a= threat on the >>radar of other countries. As it was however, it was such a= threat that >>the U.S. decided to counter with its own agenda. >You should differentiate between communism and the USSR.= Communism is an >idealogy and it is not one that demands that military force be= used to >overthrow capitalist markets. =09Any ideology that includes the notion that private property is= inherently coercive can be used to justify the use of force against those= who practice it. >The idealogies don't always support the actions that some= individuals >perform. =09Often only because of other errors in the ideology. For example,= if some ideology claimed that having blonde hair was a crime comparable= to murder, you can blame that ideology for justifying the killing or= imprisoning of blonde people, even if that ideology also includes complete= pacifism and the notion that only god can punish murders. The comission of a crime= comparable to murder can reasonably justify the use of retaliatory lethal= force, and thus so can the ideology even if it includes other unreasonable= elements. =09You can't have two errors that cancel each other out and weigh= that to the credit of the ideology. It takes full moral responsibility for= every error in it individually. =09DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message