From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:16:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E52C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53907.mail.yahoo.com (web53907.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67B3443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59517 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 00:16:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2XX7SfE0mKVmpkuNhB6iTZlIo9yNtt/yISuyGXEAkF3MJD7Yqk75eG/jNiUdcIZ6Z6J6+0YPam3TawCUiHpnYvsH2uRoTRiBtY5411iknYJ4N8sGo7qKfvrTRavoIVxZX9jwQKms5t4jGG7s7w9x+KG9oWE5mveA68VfyF3csV8= ; Message-ID: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.157.54.246] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: des@des.no Subject: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 -0000 it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Smørgrav on Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005: >Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the >primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to >the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also fails >several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD >project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and >mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is >probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a >trademark. FINALLY! A worthwhile point of view - not obscured by emotion or reproduction mumbo-jumbo! These are extremely important points, the most important being Beastie doesn't belong to FreeBSD in any way, shape, or form. This fact renders all other arguments moot. Forget all of the "tradition", "offense", "professional", etc. time-wasting, bandwidth consuming crapola that's been posted on this topic. I submit that whether or not replacing Beastie as FBSD's main symbol is a good idea is irrelevant. It is _necessary_. A company needs to exclusively control an undiluted brand identifier. Does anyone know of a business, other than the odd one person or family run shop that doesn't have that? Would you trust a friend to hold the rights to your logo (mascot, whatever)? Then why should FreeBSD? Of course, the Project could buy the rights to Beastie, but then we run into the "dilution" problem Mr. Smørgrav mentions. The image is non-exclusive to FBSD. Even worse, I recall a post on questions@ by someone reporting its use by a condom machine company in England and Wales. Trying to enforce clear trademark use is hard enough. For the Project to go after unauthorized use of Beastie would be expensive and probably impossible. So there it is. Mr. Smørgrav should be thanked for a business-based reason for the change by making an irrefutable argument. Those that STILL disagree should consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual property law. Still going to use Beastie when I can, Stheg P.S. My agreement with Mr. Smørgrav's argument should not be construed as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. As is obvious, this was a very bad idea. I propose that in the future, such discussions be held on a special-use list to avoid the appearance of "you're neither important nor smart enough to discuss this" and to prevent the list-pollution we are now seeing on questions@. P.P.S. Whether you agree with my position on this or not, will those who comments on this topic have devolved into "I'm going to make my point to that idiot yet" posts PLEASE TAKE IT OFF QUESTIONS@? Your one-upmanship makes both sides look stupid and makes useful information, like Mr. Smørgrav's points, difficult to find. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442EF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57EF43D3F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2750551DF4; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: stheg olloydson Message-ID: <20050213004204.GA91920@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:16:21PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > P.S. My agreement with Mr. Sm?rgrav's argument should not be construed > as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way > this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few > commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place > among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. Sorry, but that's how the FreeBSD project works and always has worked. The FreeBSD Core team has always decided policy for the FreeBSD project, and they can handle it any way they like, including making unilateral decisions with consulting with the FreeBSD user base. For better or worse, FreeBSD is not a democracy of users - if you thought otherwise then you were just mistaken. Kris --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDqJbWry0BWjoQKURAkYiAKCJH9S36V+qhaG8c4r+WZvRX8+sLQCfcdZz 536HSGYZWm/+zGQdy6QD1Eo= =6nzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFCD43D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so482478rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JxdHTQVb7ZRLLJn9XieMvXbr2HooMp7IC+HG8ezrbsUiHbffJJQenrr1tEg02s/MOaLTKs4n5UDg1iRBcX2y0AMwtjAlL6puK81unCoEBIYcbE1hpL+suQxy8vy5bMe4tDATJ5jc+X8vKB5Psjelc7IokD4b+v6xilGV7oTig+g= Received: by 10.38.73.33 with SMTP id v33mr22891rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:52:08 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 -0000 This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally clear about yet. 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like 8080? Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A735C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7E43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C4D661C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC4DA1C0008E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014423705.AC4DA1C0008E@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <103254962.20050213024423@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > I think you know the answer to that question perfectly well. There is no answer to that question. That's part of the problem. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911B43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14F931C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F06211C00081 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014519984.F06211C00081@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:08 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1006435004.20050213024508@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 -0000 Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg writes: > A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) How does the downloader know whether the copy is authorized or not? How does he prove it to the copyright holder and/or the licensee? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:48:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFD316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E743D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 757CF1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 558E11C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014853350.558E11C00082@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 -0000 darren kirby writes: > That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, > but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million > different types of people that run it. There are almost no reasons to run Linux instead of UNIX. > Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two > operating systems is what the GUI looks like. No, although sometimes that is actually the case. > So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > In my experience, the developers are the quiet ones that speak with their > software. There are all sorts of developers nowadays. The days when they were all quiet are long gone. > Again, I am not trolling, and I am not a Linux zealot. I run FreeBSD, > Linux, Solaris and any other free unix I can get my hand on. Why? > Because I think they're cool. All of them. Including Linux. I run operating systems to get work done. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DDA43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5100234E7E3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. > > Recognizing, not supporting. Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. >> Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, >> because it's not what you want to hear. > > It's not a matter of what I want or don't want. I don't have any > choice. That's business. Rarely. You have no choice but to play Sims 2, eh? Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one format. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh But like I said...you don't want to seek a change, so you wouldn't even want to look for an alternative. Maybe not everyone out there looking for information is in your position, so I'd rather let them find this post with some hope of finding something that may suit their needs rather than your postings of "FreeBSD can't run , so don't even bother trying..." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05E916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A68C43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 090971C00087 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D936D1C00085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015358889.D936D1C00085@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:54:00 -0000 Paul Mather writes: > I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor > ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract if they fail to do so. > By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or > whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no > obligation to fix them. Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. > Also, if you read your license carefully, they don't guarantee the OS > will work, nor are you protected against it destroying your data. Many of those disclaimers have never been tested in court. The notion that all a software company need guarantee is a readable CD is very extreme and untested; personally, I rather doubt that it would survive a test. It's hard to explain why a mere CD should cost $2500. > MSCEs aren't "ultimately accountable" for Windows code, but they > get hired all the time to fix things and build solutions, right? They are hired to build, not to fix. When things need to be fixed, Microsoft Product Support gets the call. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B20716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330843D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 43E3A1C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 26D5A1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015655159.26D5A1C00084@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with other business partners. > Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one > format. Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best choice. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E1A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007E943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005021302022701600iges8e>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 -0000 > My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > -- > Anthony > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that all depends on the environment... What amazes me is the subject line of this thread feeding every single person to put their two cents in.. including myself.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2908916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D7243D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:31:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33596110 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27297-04 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985BA60F0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:32:12 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > >>Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > > >>Rarely. > > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with > other business partners. > > >>Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >>format. > > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. It's apparent that many wish not to try to stick with the rules of the list. That being said, I pose the question again to the moderator - Please, kill these threads that have nothing to do with the list itself. -- Best regards, Chris The big guys always win. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D8643D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so487048rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aVJmh0QPOvePdHuxNfnbM1oZB6cKju4Ks5044VyqoaLL3GdyqBd5bXilY4TIDsrRGmzbEu1RTjQP67efYZ0BGGMVqxW41Kbbkf4H+2DtZ4luax+7txhnDigelU3MlmHYFmZl4TQq46TqeXZv15Iu7VD96NjpAG2ZAG4XAQGVI68= Received: by 10.38.161.60 with SMTP id j60mr31251rne; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:35:59 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: where can i find the subfont.ttf ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 -0000 where can i find the subfont.ttf for mplayer ? ... Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:54:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grover.logicsquad.net (ppp140-249.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.140.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 276BF43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulh@logicsquad.net) Received: (qmail 8373 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Feb 2005 02:54:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030 From: "Paul A. Hoadley" To: RL Message-ID: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 -0000 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local script) to update your A record. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? =20 Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR record you will require. > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the host named in the A record. > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the right solution. > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > 8080? There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? --=20 Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFCDsFs730Z/jysbzIRAqwpAJY0qA3F2v+V7t+QDlRkFkbBL8uqAJ9jUXhe XnjmEc/emqj06M0AH3Ab2A== =UoRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B344C43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so488917rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mpHAYTk1LpPEV9CzFnnwbtqfimxfocNde0kF0UdpPa/Rc4BXnJ+g4pFrT5qB97DBZJDOFej1YqifYggzA3VBJggef8VrHGf+/xsyHT+N9THVayb8IeAHE5s/RO5HJlph3N7TqineeEwcdDI7EEU46gSRGUkwlY0gUMsrT77oP1I= Received: by 10.38.59.27 with SMTP id h27mr17354rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:11:38 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > > I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll > assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic > DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather > nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset > of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold > you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea > is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS > provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local > script) to update your A record. > > > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? > > Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address > to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to > manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, > but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two > nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could > personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the > issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the > corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR > record you will require. > > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? > > This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone > file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the > host named in the A record. > > > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? > > If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to > get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the > right solution. > > > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > > 8080? > > There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. > However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If > your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? > > -- > Paul. > > w http://logicsquad.net/ > h http://paul.hoadley.name/ > > > Yeah and crappy Adelphia doesn't offer static IPs without charging way way too much. At least I should be able to set up my own mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161D916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53903.mail.yahoo.com (web53903.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB8A43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53925 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lfvvq+BKI+bC4U+2qyu0Qvc1O2hrAmPKZO4es2m/EPOzTzAvcAbMsGIJWroXDWADQNvAmsdjf6PgUtv16cxV+vV4kUUjebb/bjPqacfXSzILTOrOH0EzbcczH9O2iVsB6lAckkU8n0rtWfqmfbnhRFC6rry7JMvwP26iqyC9tO4= ; Message-ID: <20050213032125.53923.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: rlurman@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 -0000 it was said: >1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Having such accounts doesn't give you a static IP. A static IP is one that never changes. Only your ISP (Adelphia, in your case) can supply that. >Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn >more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on >godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A >records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? No. You don't have a static IP, so this won't work. That's what companies like dyndns and no-ip.com are for. Read how their services work for an more detailed explanation. >2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? No. The only way to do reverse DNS is to have the IP(s) delegated to you by your ISP. Unless you get a large block of IP addresses assigned to you, this is unlikely to happen. (I have 16 addresses and my ISP said, "No!" when I asked. I knew they would, but one hopes....) >3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again >to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to >name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com >has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is >this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port >other than 25 like 8080? No. You'll have to use the reflector service. Mailservers try to connect to port 25 because that's the port the RFC says to use. Setting your server to 8080 will make it useless. >Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. You're wlecome. I suggest you read the book _DNS and BIND_ by Albitz and Liu, published by O'Reilly. It's generally considered the definitive work on this topic and will save you many hours of frustration. After reading it you'll know why you can run web and mail servers from a dynamic IP but not a name server. One thing to consider, clearly you don't have a commercial account. If I were you, I would check what Adelphia can do if they catch you running servers from a residental account. I know somebody that got caught by rr.com. They back billed him for a commercial account. It totaled more than US$6000.00. Of course, that's not as bad as what Buckeye Cable did to the users that uncapped their modems a couple years ago. http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Nov/gee20021122017460.htm Regards, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE3716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545AE43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1D3rbJG031091; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:36 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 -0000 At 2:06 AM -0800 2/12/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are >objecting to. I am glad to hear that this message was the last time you mention it. Thanks. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A988716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126643D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3seGf000879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:41 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3sdoY000877; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Hello Anthony > > Thanks for your reply. > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > > > > I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and > e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. > Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. > Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio stuff like AX.25 > > If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for most > of us. > > > Ramiro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:58:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36A616A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ED943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3wpGf000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:52 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3wplO000944 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:53 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still not good. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580FF16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.dantimax.dk (gw.dantimax.dk [62.242.11.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7923943D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcs@post5.tele.dk) Received: from post5.tele.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.dantimax.dk (Weasel v 1.20) for ; 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 Message-ID: <420ED139.3080409@post5.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 +0100 From: "Mikkel C. Simonsen" Organization: Dantimax User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4; da-DK; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 -0000 I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. Before installing 5.3 I tested 4.11 (with ACPI enabled), and on 4.11 shutdown -p worked. Is there some setting I can change on 5.3 to make it work there also? Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:00:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D66F16A4DB for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C7243D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0Aw6-0006OH-2y; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:41 -0700 To: "Thomas Foster" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:49 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: > >> My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install >> the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. >> -- >> Anthony >> > > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it > comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that > all depends on the environment... > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X than from Windows. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7B416A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7CA43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D41mGf000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:49 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D41m1A000976 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. > > > One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window > > System on an old pentium 75MHz. > > I've had FreeBSD hang while trying to use X servers, but I never could > establish whether the OS itself had frozen or whether it was just the > interface. It happened often enough that it was one of the reasons why > I abandoned any attempt to use a GUI. Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still running fine. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536016A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02943D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BGI-0007zd-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:37 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > >> I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor >> ultimately accountable for its code. > > Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from > vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support > requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract > if they fail to do so. > >> By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or >> whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no >> obligation to fix them. > > Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. ????? Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the source and the license to use it Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6ED16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53902.mail.yahoo.com (web53902.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 265D743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87286 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 04:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4LWjpB0HHcKFqKv9NNzL6TwH7xF1/yelYSZ6zVrSyzXhtZBy8GaaUw/6jcXAO2R5MEjPqT1mQcY6wA1Sg0Rvo3a7oTHlDxsKBs7vHpEWOBcb5nwC3CLk9YAVPKPBq9MqRxkIm5mfpRYpz0wssp/9HAfyhO3CnodWx3X2xj4Paio= ; Message-ID: <20050213042211.87284.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: mcs@post5.tele.dk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 -0000 it was said: >I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. >Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. > >If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. >Best regards, > >Mikkel C. Simonsen Hello, I just tested it on a 5.3_p5 box and it worked. Do you have ACPI enabled? Maybe a bug was fixed between _RELEASE and _p5? If you have ACPI enabled, try cvsupping. (Don't forget to read src/UPDATING if you do.) HTH, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F99216A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221C643D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BLi-00086a-Pe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:09 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > >> Rarely. > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible > with > other business partners. > >> Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >> format. > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage > in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably also to a BSD or Linux solution. The fact is you find it more convenient not too, even though you could, and would probably be happier without it. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E8716A4D3 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6125C43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from insanetoucan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so477891rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LvpRZNu9gQrCnwCOmXuqHArSwVKA0PX+zvD5PzC8KsgvNrVXTCH4Bq/9k0QBJ3uP88OtbRRPQUV9HpSLIbPQBn+6fMc3wNt3xN030hWlu4cmJT9QketlNBQGgcb6jkao6JOU4VEUD7SJEcP/KbAZrWM62jzlLsEMACGkqtEIE3s= Received: by 10.39.2.55 with SMTP id e55mr92611rni; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.63 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1c9889d1050212211073dcf01c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 From: InsaneToucan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Belkin wireless card issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: InsaneToucan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 -0000 Hey, I just installed FreeBSD and everything works great except for my networking. I have a computer with an integrated network card from Intel, which was picked up fine. However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as "unknown network device" Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:21:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D41B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14930.mail.yahoo.com (web14930.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F79D43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nirv199@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15732 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=teBMJ1uJRyF3vAEZNgBMchO2fhKUaQ+haMq0h3yrRN5pzNtedc7Js0t+eY5bfO+d11waR41iT7kp2j56LpiSZX00it4V1w5EIp96HCYKPELnLq+wXI87o7MJ3MSPOb2xsnjmgdxtLMOmfCOJoRhZZnzuy1VB+rQEvx+b/YoxwOg= ; Message-ID: <20050213052108.15730.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.88.219.149] by web14930.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Paulo Roberto To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: usb webcam recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Hello, Does anybody recommend any usb webcam that is freebsd supported, and still being sold? Googling (and reading the hardware notes for 5.3) I only found information regarding old (off the shelf) models. thanks, Paulo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ED216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.183] (port=4269 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1D0Ch8-000CSl-00; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:22 +0300 Message-ID: <420EEB50.7010304@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:20 +0300 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > >>Dan Nelson wrote: >> >>>In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: >>> >>>>I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to >>>>ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the >>>>ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in >>>>just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second >>>>long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the >>>>disconnect. The matter is that these applications can handle fairly >>>>large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least >>>>15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of >>>>the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. >>>> >>>>As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to >>>>conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? I am >>>>ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, but >>>>I'll look into any sources you advise. >>> >>>Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it >>>does, there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were >>>talking to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to >>>them from this other IP are unrelated. >> >>It changes only once in about a week. Let's say it doesn't change >>at all. What then? > > > I'm still suspicious :) The two most common causes for connection > resets are IP address changes and NAT resets. /usr/sbin/ppp keeps its > NAT table across disconnects as long as the process itself stays > running, so I don't think that's the cause. If you have root access to > a remote system, try running tcpdump on it and your local machine while > running something like top over ssh, and watch what happens when your > connection drops and reconnects. > No, there's really nothing to be suspicious about :) The IP doesn't change (well, in the process of IPCP it virtually does, first to 10.0.0.1/0 and then back to the assigned one - but that doesn't count, does it), the ppp process stays, but TCP/UDP streams are somehow interrupted. Don't worry anyway. Disconnects happen in 5-6 in the morning, when all the users are sleeping and the only one sleepless surfer is unlucky me, trying to seamlessly upgrade self-made internet connection sharing box from 4.10 to 5.3. BTW, if only anyone happens to know: I asked list before, but got no reply. When ISP actually assigns new IP address, I occasionally get double IPs on the tun0 interface (the old one and the new one simultaneously). Everything's working fine, but the dyndns updater can't recognize the IP change. Is there a way to fix this glitch/ feature? I've really manned and googled for it - without succes. Best wishes, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2188943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1D6OWE17960 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> Message-ID: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 Lots of stuff - satellite tracking, APRS, etc. There's a mailing list - BSD-Ham@mailman.qth.net - devoted to this. They're trying to get a separate ports area, instead of just "comms". -- Dave (vk2kfu) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950AE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AB043D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D6uBGf002455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D6uBOS002453; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:10 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: ann kok Message-ID: <20050213065610.GX8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > Does it set by the router itself? > Can I change it in freebsd? FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is probably 255. As long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a certain computer is never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. The highest I've seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have to grow a bit, I think, before it's an issue. > > Thank you > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 > time=100 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 > time=103 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 > time=106 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 > time=108 ms > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A1616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F243D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 914831C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74B5B1C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074555478.74B5B1C00090@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <674011089.20050213084555@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:57 -0000 Thomas Foster writes: > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes > to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. Mac used to have a very clear lead in this respect; today that lead has shrunk enormously. If that's all one does with the machine, the Mac is probably still a better choice; but if the machine must serve other purposes as well (accounting, and so on, as a small-business or home machine might), Windows again has the advantage. The Mac has a reputation as a computer for people who profess not to like computers, especially artists. Ever notice that just about everyone in the movies is using a Mac instead of a PC? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35E943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tindasz@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1671842wri for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hflMcN7L60x9q3gx++auJyhgrxpa5Mc7TfAcMx4KHVTXWznhet7v9rppTEGu5D3S9Bok63PP1ElQLXCfTrYY0n9lE5JN713ETI3S+E03J97/HWw6IqaYlZe3JacsC+F7culQJLQauG/TE6q8mZPI5pt76YpofZ/9stGBnabdDGQ= Received: by 10.54.46.64 with SMTP id t64mr163098wrt; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.56 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:48:32 +0700 From: jellf nainggolan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jellf nainggolan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 -0000 anyone can help me how to using cvsup and please step by step From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:49:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FACC16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3249A43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D97E1C00092 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3D23E1C00091 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074921250.3D23E1C00091@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1925624178.20050213084920@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 -0000 Chris writes: > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. > People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. By the way, which thread are you replying to again? Threads live when people participate in them. It takes at least two people to maintain a thread. There are many people posting to this thread, so it must be fairly interesting to list participants, even if it is not interesting to you. Personally, I reply to threads, I don't start them. If nobody else posts on the topic, it dies. I don't resurrect threads because I assume that if nobody else replies to a thread, it must no longer be of interest. And as for threads that don't interest me, I simply ignore them; I don't expect the rest of the list to stop posting to them for my benefit. Complaining about their off-topic character just adds to their length, or creates additional off-topic threads filled with complaint. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10443D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A4F861C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 850341C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075323544.850341C00089@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <308024811.20050213085323@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS privileges that contains bugs. > Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Look for common characteristics of the situations in which you observe a reboot (especially particular programs running, or particular hardware devices in use). > Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP > machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still > not good. It's a matter of user education; it has nothing to do with the OS. I haven't used systmatic rebooting to fix problems since the 16-bit Windows 3.x (the old Windows 9x family of operating systems could get stuck that way, but I went directly to NT myself and never bothered to waste my time with Windows 95). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:55:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E824E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AE722400110 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 700082400102 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075459458.700082400102@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:01 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, but since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another machine with X. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:56:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CEF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E9343D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD25F2001437 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9111E2001435 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075641594.9111E2001435@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <324321440.20050213085640@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another > machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Hmm ... I don't know if I ever tried that. > Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly > accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still > running fine. The words "directly accessing the hardware" send a chill down my spine. I already have to suffer with the instability and insecurity of Windows caused by precisely that in the GUI; I certainly don't want to make the same sacrifice on FreeBSD (or any other OS) just to see pretty pictures on the screen, when the machine is not a desktop. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:57:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC4016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 341B71C00175 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AB531C00174 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075737109.1AB531C00174@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software > can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that > support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the > source and the license to use it Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to be able to roll fixes into the official release. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DA316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC2E43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AA84A200143C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8A9EF200143B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213080020567.8A9EF200143B@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps > some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are those with an ax to grind. > Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced > with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably > also to a BSD or Linux solution. Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file formats of these applications. I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7500916A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdnerds.org (pcp0011384308pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net [69.248.83.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B7E43D1D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: by bsdnerds.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 772B56172; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by bsdnerds.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03DE615C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46955986; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC5916A4CF; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on bsdnerds.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.5 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.64 Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB1843D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0ExL-0001w7-Ub for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:18:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:18:15 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:54 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and >> do >> all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS >> X >> than from Windows. > > Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation and shell compatibility. As I said, I have not used this one, but all the other windows ones I have tried sucked royally. > > I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked reasonably well. > but > since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't > been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another > machine with X. I was not talking about an X11 server. I do have one on my Mac but I rarely run it. I occasionally have a need. I was talking about native Mac OS X capabilities and applications. The userland is based on the FreeBSD one, though the underlying kernel and plumbing are a custom Mach solution. Since OS X is a unix-life platform, and has the same toolchain and a very similar environment to FreeBSD and Linux, it meshes a lot easier. I have a Windows XP machine sitting here that dual boots with NT. I rarely boot it though. I do have one website that was developed in a Windows (-only) based program that needs to be updated occasionally (soon to be replaced by a WebObjects dynamic app)... And a few games that I have not bothered to play in months are on the machine. I do everything else on my Mac(s) including bookkeeping/accounting for a couple of businesses, credit card authorizations, software development, email, browsing, netnews, Terminal and ssh into my FreeBSD and lone Linux servers, database admin, word processing, presentations, graphics/photo and video editing (not a lot of the latter unfortunately), and many other things. And I am not a magnet for viruses, spyware, adware, I do not pay a MS tax anymore (I don't plan on updating my Windows machine) and I am much more productive than I was when the Windows 2000 machine was my main workstation. They just work. Something that Windows cannot always say (driver, dll, etc conflicts, screwed up registry [my W2000 machine is dying a slow death of rot and decay -- I have not a clue on what is wrong but it seems to decay over time as the registry corrupts and rots], etc). I don't see lots of freeze ups and BSOD anymore on Windows -- that has gotten better -- but the inconsistencies and the rot and decay that gradually make the machines less stable (without the spyware/adware/malware too) is enough for me. (And yes, Windows rots and decays, most likely from registry corruptions -- the registry is the dumbest thing they could do -- a single massive point of failure). And I am a techno-geek -- not some average joe user who wouldn't have a clue. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:22:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF39716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F6B43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0F1W-0002gu-CU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:22:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:22:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:35 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software >> can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that >> support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the >> source and the license to use it > > Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to > be able to roll fixes into the official release. ????? What the heck does this mean? I would bet that most larger installations of Linux or FreeBSD or any other open source OS would be considered non-standard. Heck, I bet YOUR installation of FreeBSD could be considered non-standard. Your statement make absolutely no sense. If the fix that you decry is a reasonable fix, who says it can't be rolled back into an "official" release. This is open source after all. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9929416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E4F43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0F5k-0002lR-06 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:26:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:26:55 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in >> perhaps >> some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. > > Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The > only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are > those with an ax to grind. In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) makes them totally inconvenient. > >> Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced >> with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably >> also to a BSD or Linux solution. > > Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file > formats of these applications. Sure it does. Apples new Pages.app "word processor" reads and writes Word .DOC files. OpenOffice can too. Maybe not 100%, but very close, and Microsoft does not guarantee 100% either from version to version. In most cases, except for customized vertical market solutions, Mac OS X and probably in many cases also FreeBSD offers solutions that work with native files. On OS X, you often HAVE the native program, like Photoshop, for example. > > I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and > bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, > unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. There are lots of options for people whose eyes are not closed. The link published in one of these threads about the Ernie Ball guitar string company was interesting. Where there is a will there is a way. Where there is no will, you get stuck with M$ OK, I am done replying to these threads. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798CB16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE2C43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 214C91C0008A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E619B1C00086 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213083053942.E619B1C00086@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:55 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client > inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation > and shell compatibility. SecureCRT emulates a terminal, and does so in a way that is particularly compatible with UNIX systems (with which it is very heavily used--the vendor caters to UNIX users). It emulates eleven different types of terminal, including VTxxx, Xterm, Vshell (proprietary, I think), WYSE, SCO ANSI, and so on. You can set the desired base emulation and then modify the details to get a terminal emulation that exactly suits you. > As I said, I have not used this one, but all the other windows ones I > have tried sucked royally. This one was recommended by an ISP to me years ago, and it was so good that I've never tried anything else. See http://www.vandyke.com. > They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years > ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked > reasonably well. How much did he pay for it? Many of the ones I saw cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, and there was still no guarantee that they'd work well. The few free ones I tried did not work well at all. I'm still interested in learning more, though. However, I won't run x-anything on my FreeBSD system unless it will run without destabilizing changes to the OS (no change in securelevel, no kernel reconfiguration, no special system software modules or daemons). > I do everything else on my Mac(s) including bookkeeping/accounting for > a couple of businesses, credit card authorizations, software > development, email, browsing, netnews, Terminal and ssh into my FreeBSD > and lone Linux servers, database admin, word processing, presentations, > graphics/photo and video editing (not a lot of the latter > unfortunately), and many other things. Having UNIX underneath surely helps, although it has broken some classic Mac applications. > And I am not a magnet for viruses, spyware, adware ... The target is too small, few kiddies are interested in attacking it. > ... I do not pay a MS tax anymore ... You pay a double tax to Apple instead, for both software and hardware. > And yes, Windows rots and decays, most likely from > registry corruptions -- the registry is the dumbest thing they could do > -- a single massive point of failure ... No, they've done even worse: Active Directory. I don't like those single points of failure, either. And even though the advantage of a registry is supposed to be that it provides "one-stop shopping" for configuration data, it turns out that the same data is often stored in a dozen different places in the registry ... sometimes by different releases of the same software (and some of that software is from Microsoft, so they're just as guilty of it as anyone else). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:38:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067F316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B2A43D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0FH9-0003Sa-GA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:38:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:38:42 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:44 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years >> ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked >> reasonably well. > > How much did he pay for it? I don't know which one he used. Sorry. > Many of the ones I saw cost hundreds or > thousands of dollars, and there was still no guarantee that they'd work > well. The few free ones I tried did not work well at all. I'm still > interested in learning more, though. However, I won't run x-anything > on > my FreeBSD system unless it will run without destabilizing changes to > the OS (no change in securelevel, no kernel reconfiguration, no special > system software modules or daemons). You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on your FBSD Server machine. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:40:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5B016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27C43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 881CD1C0009C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5CFDD1C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213084049381.5CFDD1C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1153299714.20050213094049@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > ????? What the heck does this mean? It means that large organizations want to have a single official release of the OS running on all servers, and they expect that release to come formally from a specific official source. Hacking changes into the code and then installing that in production is not acceptable. Often every change to the OS must go through a test and rollout process that can take months at some companies. Emergency patches must be tested in advance by the vendor, and the vendor must stand behind them. > I would bet that most larger installations of Linux or FreeBSD or any > other open source OS would be considered non-standard. Yes. That's why so many companies run Solaris instead. > Heck, I bet YOUR installation of FreeBSD could be considered > non-standard. As the owner of the system, I define what is standard on my site, and I consider FreeBSD 5.3 to be standard. I don't make any modifications of my own to the code, though. > Your statement make absolutely no sense. It does to someone who has worked in this kind of environment for several decades. There are still companies running Windows 3.x because it is so long and difficult to roll out anything new. > If the fix that you decry is a reasonable fix, who says it can't be > rolled back into an "official" release. It can be, but until that is done, many organizations won't touch it. There's another separate issue with source fixes. It's a common misconception that anyone with access to source can just dive into it and fix any problem. In practice, that is never the case. Nobody has all of any OS memorized, and no one person can dive into the code of any OS and come up with fixes to every problem. Even among official developers, typically each developer knows only his own code extremely well, and has only a vague idea of how the rest of the code works. While it is true that you could theoretically fix anything in time with access to source, in practice the time required is so long that it is effectively impossible in many situations ... you _must_ enlist the help of one or more developers familiar with the code segments that have to be fixed. And that in turn means that, in order to provide full support, you must be able to compel the cooperation of developers. Proprietary vendors can do this; open-source organizations cannot. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:49:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FB143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 511031C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1DF061C00083 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:27 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213084927122.1DF061C00083@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <342335131.20050213094926@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:29 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. There are a hundred million users out there who disagree. > The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) > makes them totally inconvenient. See above. > Sure it does. Apples new Pages.app "word processor" reads and writes > Word .DOC files. OpenOffice can too. Maybe not 100%, but very close, > and Microsoft does not guarantee 100% either from version to version. Sometimes 99% isn't good enough. And there are hundreds of formats to be accommodated. > In most cases, except for customized vertical market solutions, Mac OS > X and probably in many cases also FreeBSD offers solutions that work > with native files. On OS X, you often HAVE the native program, like > Photoshop, for example. Like Photoshop, but not like many others. > There are lots of options for people whose eyes are not closed. There are few options for people who use computers for work, and not for play. Using computers is not a game for most of the population; it's not a hobby or even a pleasant way to spend time. They just need computers to do their work. The fastest way to do that work is to install what everyone else is using, do the work, and be done with it. They don't care what the geeks think. They don't even care about viruses, spyware, adware, or anything like that, as long as they can finish their reports by the end of the day. But if anything gets in the way of them finishing their work, they get very, very upset. Any deviation from the mainstream is likely to do that, and so the safest route for them is Windows. > The link published in one of these threads about the Ernie Ball guitar > string company was interesting. Where there is a will there is a way. > Where there is no will, you get stuck with M$ You don't understand. Most people have no bone to pick with Microsoft. They don't hate Microsoft. In fact, they couldn't care less about Microsoft. To them, insisting on a non-Microsoft solution is about as relevant and important as insisting on an Airbus aircraft for their flights home on Thanksgiving. They just do not care, nor should they have to care. The best solution for them is Windows. It's simple, fast, used by everyone, and allows them to return to important things in their lives as quickly and easily as possible after using the PC. The attitudes of IT departments that run servers are different, but the effects are often the same. In small IT departments with a shortage of qualified personnel, Windows is often the easiest server solution. In larger departments with UNIX expertise, Solaris is very attractive (for reasons I've previously explained). After that comes Linux, because of all the hype around the OS. Only IT staffs that look very carefully at their OS choices will be likely to install FreeBSD; it's a great OS, but it has no name recognition, and it has no formal support or vendor structure ... it just comes from "somewhere," and there's nobody to turn to if it crashes. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1837B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C228843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 073891C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D9A111C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213085312891.D9A111C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:12 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:14 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this > works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations > changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is > then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the > display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and > can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only > and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on > your FBSD Server machine. I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, but what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems that everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working with Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be done from a command line). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491D616A4E4 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zephon.secspace.de (zephon.secspace.de [62.75.136.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB26943D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml@ps102.de) Received: from [192.168.17.11] (pD95F2B4C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.95.43.76]) by zephon.secspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4E6EB29; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F1963.3060609@ps102.de> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:55 +0100 From: Volker Kindermann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RL References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:36 -0000 > This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a > new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally > clear about yet. > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A > records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to > name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com > has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is > this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port > other than 25 like 8080? I don't know the situation in your country. But here in germany you can rent a lowend dedicated server for about 40 $/month. With static IP and mostly with one or more domain-names. With such a server you can do all what you want without the problems coming from the dynamic IP. Perhaps that'll be an alternative for you. -volker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:37:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B522C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAC943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GBc-0000pU-0k; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:06 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GBa-0003kB-8h; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Daniela In-Reply-To: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> Message-ID: References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > is the intranet IP of the router. > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you don't want to do this. The 10.0.0.0/8 block of addresses is explicitly for private use and is not routable on the internet. If your firewall is causing problems with this setup, you might need to re-examine your firewall settings. Having said that: technically, you specify source addresses for connections by calling bind(2) prior to calling connect(2). If you fail to do this, the operating system will select a source IP address for you. This'll often be the IP of the outgoing interface. Unless your particular application explicitly supports the selection of source addresses, you're mostly out of luck. For instance, ping(8) supports this (see the -S option). Cheers, jan -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Bolstered by my success with vi, I proceeded to learn C with 'learn c'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:38:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064F416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A7143D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GD1-0000vZ-MU; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:32 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GD1-0003pm-Ai; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Daniela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:34 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Jan Grant wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: > > > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > > is the intranet IP of the router. > > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. > > Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with > all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you > don't want to do this. Excuse my misinformation. Misread "inside" for "outside". -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Solution: (n) a watered-down version of something neat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6F816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D2943D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamanism@ntlworld.com) Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050213100627.PNWM29900.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [81.105.118.160]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050213100627.NYXZ15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0000 From: kamanism@ntlworld.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:15 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131006.15834.kamanism@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:30 -0000 ***you are a man of high ideas Ted, but you are overlooking a fundamental aspect, that ALL LIFE IS TEMPORAL - AND MOVES ON WITH CONTINUAL CHANGE AND IMPROVEMENT which means to say : DONT CLING TO THE PAST WHEN OPPORTUNITIES TO PROGRESS OCCUR ***for example almost every week i sort thru the computer room - updating files and hardware, and most importantly CHUCKING OUT old stuff that is obsolete or doesnt work. if i didnt do that the room would be jammed solid. Just the same with your MIND. clear out the junk and move on. PEOPLE DIE. LOVED ONES DIE. we will meet them again ONE DAY, but in the mean-time MOVE ON. more people to meet. more things to do. MORE OVERSTANDING OF THE TOTAL PATTERN OF LIFE TO OBTAIN. you dont have to be religious to believe in the AFTERLIFE and PURPOSE. CHOP THE BEASTIE if you feel like it ! if "god" starts annoying you, then tell it (that Kamanistic Temporal Image) to fuck off. put a FRESH new label on, and start a fresh NEW DAY :) does not mean you forget the past and origins, just means you dont get DRAGGED BACK by them. ***wow, thats a load off my chest ! now something technical Ted can you tell me please how to change the Screen resolution ? [exact command line please - im an fbsd rookie]. many thanks :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Saturday 12 February 2005 09:49, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > You and I both understand the ideals at stake with Beastie. But an even > more > important ideal is that a civilized person fights against something > he sees that is wrong, he does not remain silent. Remaining > silent when an injustice is being done makes you no better than > the criminal doing the injustice. Even if we lose this and are > pushed over, it doesen't matter, because when we chose to > fight, even though we lose, that means we have won when it comes to > the higher ideal of fighting against injustice. > > I feel sorry for people like Garance, really. Here's a person > who is tired of explaining Beastie, in short, he is tired of > explaining the ideals of why FreeBSD is important. To him, FreeBSD > is just another operating system - it's a better tool than the > others, yes, but to him that is all there is to it. He doesen't > really care about the ideals behind Open Source, not emotionally > that is. To him it is all intellectual. He has no passion anymore > for it, if he ever did. His goal is to see FreeBSD expanded > simply because it's better than all the other operating systems, > and he is willing even to sacrifice things that are integral > to it - such as Beastie - in his quest to expand it. > What he sadly doesen't understand is that going down this > road means that at every turn you compromise something else, and > that by the time you get to the end of the road, what you have > been carrying is so twisted and changed that you hate it and > hate yourself for allowing it to be ruined. > > You and I we know that there is more to the FreeBSD operating > system movement than mere software. And a lot of the userbase > understands this at a gut level too. We may not be > able to immediately frame in words what that indefinable > thing is - but we know it's there. Unless you want to switch > that part of yourself off, your not going to be able to help > seeing that what is happening is wrong. And when you know > that something is wrong, you also know that you have a duty > to speak out about it. > > Also, don't forget that there are many people that who are > just beginning to understand what FreeBSD is all about. Even > though they don't fully understand what makes FreeBSD so > special and unique yet, this issue still matters to them, and > they are depending on folks like us who do fully understand > it. We also have a duty to them to speak out. > > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B6D16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enterprise.thenetnow.com (enterprise.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from GRANT (hpeel.ody.ca [216.240.12.2])j1DAcdt80217 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:38:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Message-ID: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:38:36 -0500 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0000 Hi all, I have been lambasted a number of times here and there for installing software from source as oppoesed to from ports. My question of the day is, if I need some special ./configure or make arguments added to the build command, how can I install a port with those extra args. exapmple, if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:46:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7D316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B498643D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 22232 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 10:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 10:46:38 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:47:08 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: routing help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:40 -0000 I need a way of routing all udp & http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:51:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742C816A4FD for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAB943D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.hauber@mchsi.com) Received: from wizard.valleygate.net (12-219-204-24.client.mchsi.com[12.219.204.24]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050213105144m9200bfevke>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:44 +0000 From: Mike Hauber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:54:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502130554.22264.m.hauber@mchsi.com> cc: jellf nainggolan Subject: Re: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: m.hauber@mchsi.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:48 am, jellf nainggolan wrote: > anyone can help me how to using cvsup > and please step by step The handbook not only gives you step-by-step directions for using cvsup, but it also tells you what you're doing while you're at it. The specific link you're looking for is as follows (may have wrapped): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html The Handbook is the FreeBSD Bible, and everytime you read it, you'll pick up something new. Also, the 'man' command helps quite a bit, too. :) HTH, Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:04:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A53A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vsmtp14.tin.it (vsmtp14.tin.it [212.216.176.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA4A43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.demartino2@virgilio.it) Received: from wireless (80.117.237.225) by vsmtp14.tin.it (7.0.027) id 420DF9560004E6D7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:53 +0100 From: Vittorio To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:23 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> Subject: Resuming compilation sesssion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 -0000 With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want make make install clean But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared with other people. How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? Ciao Vittorio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC4816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ABB43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AC2FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:18 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Peel References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> In-Reply-To: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:23 -0000 Grant Peel wrote: > if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to > the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to > the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? The options are unfortunately not always too well documented. Some ports open a menu on your first install and lets you choose the options you want. Your options are stored in a configure file for next time you upgrade. This is the new way and should be expected in the future. Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a lot of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options. When posible, I recommend installing with default options and configure those options manually, otherwise, remember to save your custom options somewhere. It makes upgrade easier. Compiling apache with frontpage, you install your favorite flavour of apache, then mod_frontpage. AFAIK, all the www/mod_ ports are modules for apache. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FA616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50D443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99CFFD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F360C.506@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:12 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vittorio References: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> In-Reply-To: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resuming compilation sesssion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:15 -0000 Vittorio wrote: > With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: > cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want > make > make install clean > > But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared > with other people. > > How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? If you -c, then compilation breaks. As long as the 'make clean' has not been done, next time you 'make' it will continue where it stopped. If it is only a short period, you can -z (suspend), then you can see the job with 'jobs', make it nice 'renice -20 %', start it again in background with 'bg %1' or in foreground with 'fg %1'. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:15:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A307416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40BB43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1D0Iep-0001EB-0A; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:15:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:15:21 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1944167642.20050213131521@hexren.net> To: Warren In-Reply-To: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> References: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:25 -0000 W> I need a way of routing all udp & http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit W> machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go W> about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. --------------------------------------------- Install pf,ipfw or ipf (I prefer pf but thats opionion) and use the port forwarding features built into the firewall. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4358916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80543D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon.burke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1683226wri for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KS4kNgrjFiAhqyz/xBMcwijfGi6itQark3ShSwazOdlbOHh21MIAzvsGt1H7J8LoUgxlnfjrlnO/NxKExswLCmLP4KfOE+0pD3TSIsrHdwGfGwsq52uBxk1iUfKYZCBXx1uVVeSqppD6zOV5DsJr8a0pgbVefm4NpwROU/aRGVM= Received: by 10.54.56.55 with SMTP id e55mr102427wra; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.11.63 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:52 +0000 From: Simon Burke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr In-Reply-To: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Burke List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:53 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:45 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > > I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What > > ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows > > machines, never my own because it always just works. > > Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to run > on a FreeBSD desktop: > > Adobe Photoshop Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP > Adobe Illustrator Use on IRIX, also plenty of gpl etc vector drawing tools are available, > Quark XPress Scribus > The Sims 2 Works via cedega > Flight Simulator Flight gear > UltraEdit VI, emacs > Visual InterDev Dreamweaver via wine, vi, emacs > Microsoft Word > Microsoft Excel > Microsoft PowerPoint All of MS office can be run via wine, (im using office 2000), or openoffice, koffice, gnome office > Microsoft Money Gnucash > The Bat! evolution, thunderbird, sylpheed even > Opera Available for freeBSD > Firefox In ports > Microsoft Internet Explorer Firefox, or can use via wine > Corel KnockOut Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? > Flight Check That looks like soft thats only needed by bad designers, I work with/for design companies on a daily basis and they dont use it > Bar Code Pro BARZ_OUT pro > MathType Openoffice Math > SecureFX gftp does this > SecureCRT ssh, kssh > SFS If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, XFS, > Rebel GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy > Fritz 6.0 knights > POV-Ray how about erm.. POV-ray? > Adobe PageMaker Openoffice,scribus > Adobe Streamline Autotrace > Adobe Acrobat (full version) openoffice, scribus, > Paint Shop Pro GIMP > Palm Desktop there is tronnes of pim softwar about and palm, otheriwse i wont be able to use my palm. > SimCity simcity 3000 should work through linux compat > GeoClock time-zones > Ear Test loads of midi apps, and this could be easily witten,its a very simple ms app anyway > BlitzIn knights > Audio MP3 Editor take a look at http://linux-sound.org/ > Forte Agent pan > Movie Maker kino, drupal > Nikon Scan gimp > Rainbow gimp > Wacom Intuos >its pretty much pnp > However, I should point out that I also have applications that will not > run on Windows: > > BIND > sendmail > syslog > sshd > ProFTP > SFTP Every heard of cygwin? > The list is not long for FreeBSD, but every one of these applications is > a critical application, and most must run without fail 24 hours a day, > seven days a week. Any one of them is enough to justify running a > dedicated FreeBSD server. There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job, so i dont see the problem, Oh by the way I am a linux system developer, so i do know what im on about unlike Mr i cant be bothered to update my workstations. > For this reason, I have several machines: a FreeBSD server, a Windows XP > desktop, and a Windows NT server used as a desktop (to support some > legacy applications). I have several machines too, running IRIX, BSD and Linux, I havnt had to for ages as everything i need to do i can do on a *nix box. -- Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB http://simon.geek-web.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:39:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D6C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D316D43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.59] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2a-0002jl-IT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:56 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2Y-0008F3-37 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:55 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:36:14 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:58 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > >>There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens >>frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. > > > Neither of these is based on NT, and both are dead products. How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? My girlfriend has got WinXP professional (is it sopoessed to be NT base, is not it?) and from time to time she calls to me horrified to say that she has a new problem with her machine: viruses, spyware, malware, things that suddenly stop working, etc. I start trembling each time it happens. :-/ > > >>Now I am out of the winbugs world since 2 years and I am very happy. > > > Perhaps longer than that, if you think Windows 95 is still current. I started playing with Linux on 1998, but I switched 2 years ago. > > >>Sure X is the culprit. > > > I agree. FreeBSD is stable without the GUI. If the GUI were purely a > userland program, there'd be no problem--but GUIs are never pure > userland programs. We have to live with that. > > >>I need the GUIs for my daily work. Electronic circuit design software >>requires GUI, imaging editing requieres GUI, and because of that many >>people needs a GUI, but that is not a reason to use Winbugs. > > > You have to use whatever platform supports your chosen application. Linux and FreeBSD do it perfectly, as it have the same software collection. > > >>I have seen also winXP computers here at University that do very weird >>things everyday. > > > Users at universities do very weird things to their computers. In > particular, university computers tend to be cesspools of viruses and > worms. It's a wonder they run at all. If the Winbugs were well designed that should not happen. > > >>Why not choosing Linux or FreeBSD for the desktop? > > > Because the leading desktop is Windows, with a quarter-million or so > applications written for it. Why do things the hard way when one can do > them the easy way? For me Linux/FreeBSD works, why should I use Windows?. I would be a nonsense at all. I know windows well and I whould never go back. > > >>I can choose a windowmanager among decens, I have many apps that >>perform the same or better than the winbugs counterparts, and the best >>of all, they are *free* and do not depend on any comercial enterprise. > > > Quite a few applications for Windows are free or very inexpensive as > well. Windows is not free, I have to pay money and I do not have the source code. Why should I pay for software that it is a like a "black box", when I can use great free OSes? I can not afford paying a license for every piece of software I use. > > >>I do not need too much bells and whistles to fell confortable at the >>desktop. A fluxbox window manager is perfect for me. The important >>thing are the apps, not the desktop. > > > Then why use a GUI at all? GUIs are nothing more than bells and > whistles. > How can I use the GIMP, xcircuit, pcb without a GUI ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B6B16A4D1 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C92643D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.60] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2c-0002kd-Vx; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:58 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2b-0006bB-RY; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:58 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3E69.7040303@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:47:53 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > >>Hello Anthony >> >>Thanks for your reply. >> >>Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> >>>Ramiro Aceves writes: >>> >>> > > > >>I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and >>e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. >>Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. >>Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". > > > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham yeah, debian is great for hamradio, that the reason why I use it! ;-) > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 > Yes, the most disapointing thing is that there is not AX.25 stuff. For me there is no problem as I do not use packet radio now. I have found some useful satellite programs, logging programs, circuit analisis programs, circuit design, board design, etc.. The most important problem that prevents me to switch to FreeBSD is that SVGALIB do not work on my nvidia TNT 2 video card. It segfaults, I have submitted a bug report but no response at the moment. I need it for Linrad to work, Linrad is an audio processing software very useful for amateur moonbounce communication. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F5616A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp01.eresmas.com (asmtp05.eresmas.com [62.81.235.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F0D43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.56] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2h-0008Ri-9O; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:03 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2g-0001q5-G4; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3F9B.2010201@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:52:59 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >>I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. >>I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They >>some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say >>things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. >>Be in peace my friends. > > > Actually, in my experience, I've heard more Linux people dissing on BSD > and other Unices and more BSD people accepting and even using both Linux > and BSD together. At lot of Linux people seem to get a big head about > their OS and kernel. (A lot != high percentage) I noticed this back > when all I was was a linux guy, but I was not one to dis on other > unices. > > Also, I do like both a lot and see advantages in both. I agree, thanks for the info. > > >>Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and >>playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and >>perhaps, one day, I will change. Also I try to help the FreeBSD proyect >>submitting some bug reports as I found them. I am not an expert but I >>enjoy helping others. >> >> >>PS: I am a christian and I DO NOT see any reasons to hate the beastie. I >>love the beastie, I find it nice, pleasant and kind. I like it very >>much. Do not change it please! ;-) > > > P.S. I am also a born-again christian and have never thought anything > bad of beastie, it's not a demon after all. I don't think it should be > changed. I find it very kind. I like the beastie! > > >>Sorry for my bad english. >>Enjoy the Free OSes. >> >>Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883E16A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD39E43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2j-0002nN-Pn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2j-0005cz-2n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0100 Message-ID: <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:04:36 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:07 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > darren kirby writes: > > >>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. > > > I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by > hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to > build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks like Microsoft Windows, but > doesn't come from Redmond. I do not think that the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks, the goal of Linux is to make a OS that can do whatever you want. It can talk, walk if you need it, it can be a server if you need it. It is a matter of configuring it for your needs. > > To me, that seems like a waste of time and energy. I do not understand ... > > The idea in itself of building an alternative desktop operating system > is fine. But why does it have to look like Windows? The more closely a > system approaches the look and feel of Windows, the less reason there is > to use that system instead of Windows. My Linux system do not look like windows, and never will. For example, many people use wmaker as a window manager, and I does not have anything to do with windows looking. Do not generalize when you use the word Linux, not every linux distribution has got the same goals. > > And why use UNIX as a basis for a desktop GUI? Just because it's there? Because if you use a GUI ontop a better kernel, the resultint OS will be better, and again, they are free and MS is not free. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8BB16A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B2F43D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2l-0002oB-MX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:07 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2l-0005dT-3j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: <420F4A70.1080601@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:12 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:09 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > darren kirby writes: > > >>That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, >>but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. > > > Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > > >>There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million >>different types of people that run it. > > > There are almost no reasons to run Linux instead of UNIX. > > >>Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two >>operating systems is what the GUI looks like. > > > No, although sometimes that is actually the case. > > >>So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? > > > My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. If windows is the best for you, use it and pay for it, for most of my friends it is windows too (but they are bad boys and do not pay anything), but for me is Linux/FreeBSD. I believe in free software and I will be promoting it among my friends. If we want FreeBSD and Linux survive, we have to use them. Using Windows only increases Microsoft bank acounts. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:59:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EDE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:59:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE7643D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:59:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 503781C000A0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2358B1C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213125930144.2358B1C0009A@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:29 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:59:32 -0000 Simon Burke writes: > Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP I said Photoshop, not GIMP. I don't want equivalents, I want the same applications. I can get Photoshop on the Mac, so moving to a Mac would not present a problem for Photoshop (although it would for most of my other applications). > All of MS office can be run via wine ... Why bother, when it's so much easier to run Windows instead? >> Corel KnockOut > Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to > use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? Have you ever used KnockOut? > If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, XFS, No. SFS is a spectrogram analysis system for study of human speech and phonology. >> Rebel > GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy Rebel is a chess program. >> However, I should point out that I also have applications that will not >> run on Windows: >> >> BIND >> sendmail >> syslog >> sshd >> ProFTP >> SFTP > Every heard of cygwin? Just as it's illogical to run Windows applications in emulation under another OS, it's illogical to run non-Windows applications in emulation under Windows. > There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job ... I don't want alternatives, I want THE SAME PRODUCTS. Why is this so difficult to understand? I don't want to run just any SMTP mailer, I want to run sendmail. It's as simple as that. > ... so i dont see the problem ... I do. Many geeks are extremely attached to their operating systems and relatively indifferent to their applications, since they often never do anything critical or serious with their systems, anyway. So they see no problem in using "equivalents" for certain applications in order to guarantee that they can play with their favorite operating systems. Non-geeks need specific applications for specific purposes, and the OS is irrelevant. So if application X runs on OS Y, then OS Y is the obvious choice. The vast majority of computer users are in this latter category--even many IT professionals are in this category. > ... Oh by the way I am a linux system developer, so > i do know what im on about unlike Mr i cant be bothered to update my > workstations. I've been a system developer, too, several times. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to be one when I'm trying to achieve practical, useful goals with my computers. Playing around with an OS is only practical if you have nothing else to do with a computer except play around with an OS. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:06:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B268016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (174.113.sn.ct.dsl.thebiz.net [216.238.113.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457A543D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zlists@mgm51.com) Received: from winbloat (unknown [10.0.0.38]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C8BBA2D0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:06:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200502130806030914.000DF398@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> References: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:06:03 -0500 From: "MikeM" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where is freebsd-questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:05 -0000 On 2/12/2005 at 8:30 AM Napper wrote: |Enough already. | |Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. | |Thanks, ============= Good suggestion. For a moment this morning I thought I had stumbled into the -advocacy or -chat group in error.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F041B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502C143D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:07:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D8561C0008E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 512CC1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213130738332.512CC1C00084@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:38 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:07:40 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? Most companies that write operating systems don't do a very good job of it on the first few tries. The older Mac OS (the one that preceded Mac OS X) was of the same generation as 16-bit Windows 3.x, and had the same defects. That doesn't mean that Apple was "untrustworthy," only that it couldn't afford to build a new OS from scratch. Today, most operating systems are a net loss financially. You have to depend on the peripheral effects of the OS to make up for the loss of creating it. > My girlfriend has got WinXP professional (is it sopoessed to be NT > base, is not it?) and from time to time she calls to me horrified to > say that she has a new problem with her machine: viruses, spyware, > malware, things that suddenly stop working, etc. I start trembling > each time it happens. :-/ You need to change girlfriends, not operating systems. If she would stop clicking on e-mail attachments, reading HTML e-mail, visiting questionable sites, and so on, she would not have problems with viruses, spyware, or anything else. These things do not ship with the OS. > We have to live with that. No, we don't. Some of us just skip the GUI and run more stable and secure systems in consequence. Servers don't need GUIs. > Linux and FreeBSD do it perfectly, as it have the same software > collection. Good. > If the Winbugs were well designed that should not happen. Exactly the same thing was happening long before Microsoft ever existed. > For me Linux/FreeBSD works, why should I use Windows? You should use whatever works. But for most people, the things they wish to do require Windows. > Windows is not free, I have to pay money and I do not have the source > code. That's true for most of the world's software. Writing it all off because it's not free and you can't look at source is an extreme and unnecessary sacrifice in most environments. > Why should I pay for software that it is a like a "black box", > when I can use great free OSes? Because it does what you require? > I can not afford paying a license for every piece of software I use. Some licenses are really cheap. I believe the record for low cost in my case was $5 for a shareware product. > How can I use the GIMP, xcircuit, pcb without a GUI ? Well, you can just use _equivalents_, just as people suggest to me when I point out the necessity of Windows. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:12:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7031A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7D743D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 31FE21C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0E7051C00085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:12:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213131252592.0E7051C00085@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:12:51 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6111473.20050213141251@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:53 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > I do not think that the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to > build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks, the goal of Linux is to make > a OS that can do whatever you want. It can talk, walk if you need it, it > can be a server if you need it. It is a matter of configuring it for > your needs. It looks an awful lot like Windows for something that should be carving its own niche. And it is regularly presented as "Linux instead of Windows," which clearly implies that it's not a product in its own world, it's something that is trying to be like Windows. On that path lies danger. As for being what you need it to be, there are fundamental conflicts between desktop and server environments, such that no OS can do both perfectly. You can do one extremely well, or the other extremely well, but not both. > I do not understand ... A lot of kiddies spent all their time and energy bashing Microsoft and trying to find ways to be "as good as Microsoft" without actually using any Microsoft code. They are in a highly destructive love/hate relationship with the vendor, and that drives all their behavior, whereas among normal computer users and IT professionals, wholly different motivations and attitudes drive their behavior, in much healthier ways. > Because if you use a GUI ontop a better kernel, the resultint OS will be > better ... That depends on the type of kernel. Some operating systems are not well suited to single-user desktop GUI environments. > ... and again, they are free and MS is not free. You usually get what you pay for. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:14:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926EF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5058143D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85DF91C0009B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:14:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 694681C00081 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:14:43 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213131443431.694681C00081@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:14:43 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1566930427.20050213141443@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F4A70.1080601@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <420F4A70.1080601@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:44 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > If windows is the best for you, use it and pay for it, for most of my > friends it is windows too (but they are bad boys and do not pay > anything), but for me is Linux/FreeBSD. I believe in free software and I > will be promoting it among my friends. It's going to be hard to promote if they pirated their copies of Windows, since they didn't pay for Windows, either. > If we want FreeBSD and Linux survive, we have to use them. Using them won't guarantee their survival. Someone has to pay for their creation and maintenance. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B58916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:20:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53C543D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:20:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from pooh.nagual.st (pooh.nagual.st [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:19:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:20:36 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:20:32 -0000 I want my local ntp server up and running, so I put in /etc/rc.conf: xntpd_enable="YES" but waht are the right rules for ipfilter? Someting like: # Allow out ntp traffic pass out quick on rl0 proto tcp from any to any port = 123 flags S keep state pass out quick on rl0 proto udp from any to any port = 123 keep state Or do I have to open some ports incoming as well? [ I think I need a good book about ipfilter ;-) ] I mentioned tcp/udp because I read in /etc/services that ntp uses both. Does keep state mean that automagically all incoming traffic will be OK (for ntp) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:21:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D1B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:21:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CBC43D5A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:21:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 02B3F28423 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 7DEC828421 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC666445 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DDL4gF090732 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:04 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050213135740.K94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl Subject: php [re]compile help - sessions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:21:20 -0000 I know this isn't FreeBSD but perhaps someone knows the way to get this accomplsihed (relatively) painlessly. I have just discovered that php4.3.10 *seems* not to be compiled with session support. php4-extensions *is* installed however, and I note in the Makefile the option WITH_SESSION is set to "yes". In an adventurous mood I decided to de - and reinstall php4-extensions, only to be met with a stop error preceded by this: checking for magic files in default path... not found configure: error: Please reinstall the libmagic distribution I don't know what magic files are. In the Makefile IMAGICK is the only reference I can find to magic...and support for that is set to "off" The objective is to enable session management, and it seems an excessively convoluted path to follow in order to get that accomplished. In a word...."Help!!" Regards & TIA, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sun Feb 13 14:19:00 CET 2005 2:19PM up 1 day, 19:34, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD4416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:28:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A663643D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:28:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4946122; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33777-06; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396736121; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F5603.2020909@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:35 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MikeM References: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> <200502130806030914.000DF398@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <200502130806030914.000DF398@sentry.24cl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is freebsd-questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:28:21 -0000 MikeM wrote: > On 2/12/2005 at 8:30 AM Napper wrote: > > |Enough already. > | > |Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. > | > |Thanks, > ============= > > > Good suggestion. For a moment this morning I thought I had stumbled into > the -advocacy or -chat group in error.... As I have posted a few times... And to Anthony - You are wrong. THIS list isn't about discussing the pros and cons of one OS over another, one program over another, your personal views on FreeBSD over Windows - it's a list where users "ask questions" (thus the meaning of the list name, FreeBSD-Questions. You sir (Anthony) are the biggest contributor of the off topic/list discussions. YOU sir, are the one wasting bandwidth and baiting users into turning the few threads here into days if not weeks of propaganda crapola in. Some users have stopped reposting to the threads that you feel you must continue to post your point of view (and the point of view that you seem to be making is the only one true point of view). Take your posting to the proper lists. If you don't know what they are, here's a helping hand ... 1. FreeBSD-Chat 2. FreeBSD-Advocacy You are more then welcome to toss your hat into the ring of debate/bash/praise etc when done in the proper areas devised by the folks at FreeBSD. Now again - please discontinue your on-going rantings in THIS list. Please, for the sake of all mankind - take it to where it belongs. And to the others that can't seem to follow the list rules - please, halt your postings to the few threads that Anthony is flooding the list with and carry them to the proper place. Now ... Back to your regularly tuned program... -- Best regards, Chris No matter what happens, there is always somebody who knew that it would. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:33:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C0E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FBF43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:33:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from pooh.nagual.st (pooh.nagual.st [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:31:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:33:19 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:33:14 -0000 It's difficult to program all outgoing filter rules in ipf. Every now and then I bumb into a blocked connection that I did want to work in the first place. Only because an outgoing port was/is blocked. What is the most secure way to do things? Block all outgoing and open up what I wnat or can I use i.e. the next rule in a safe way: ### pass out quick proto tcp/udp from any to any keep state keep frags Any help or suggestions are appreciated. Yes I did read all the ipf help files but it dazzles me. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:48:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4DC16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CC643D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ben.haysom@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so499534wra for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:48:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iPB/40U+LeYWHPFuG1HrLs6/Pty0UyO1k5lPcOvsC1h+sYXP+uL0XGqd6koJeUJ8FI0f4EmAjgInG6B6q83kLUtV317ED94MVgD/hfm/kuFGSPkvkixrAm/r+EaqRWWeim23n1cymJKuP9wGw57zQFeh9dRBuszSw0wBoFcsVjA= Received: by 10.54.51.75 with SMTP id y75mr132143wry; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.5.51 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:48:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:42 +0000 From: Ben Haysom To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: fsck? problems with machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Haysom List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:44 -0000 Hi I emailed a while back. My machine reboots itself during a portupgrade -a. I was advised to test the CPU and memory, which I have done with cpburn and memtest respectively. They both seem fine. I've re-run fsck, but I don't really understand the results, and I can't find an explanation anywhere. I'm now pretty sure it's the HD at fault... would explain some dodgy behaviour in the past too. Help? Ben. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E380716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8D343D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 4B9F028423; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 20FE428421; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86F26444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DE7f9d091868; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:07:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:07:39 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <20050213145927.Q94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: Grant Peel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:58 -0000 On Feb 13 at 12:07, Erik Norgaard remarked sagely: > Grant Peel wrote: > >> if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to >> the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the >> apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? > > The options are unfortunately not always too well documented. You sir, have an awesome and enviable talent for understatement! :) > Some ports open a menu on your first install and lets you choose the options > you want. Your options are stored in a configure file for next time you > upgrade. This is the new way and should be expected in the future. [singing] "Can't stop...thinkin' about tomorrow!" [/singing] > > Compiling apache with frontpage, you install your favorite flavour of apache, > then mod_frontpage. AFAIK, all the www/mod_ ports are modules for apache. I have a funny (funny only in retrospect) story about apache, modules, and frontpage. In an earlier version of FreeBSD/Apache - having more courage than knowlege - bravely installed the frontpage module and irreperably blew up Apache forever. A complete reinstall was (regrettably) necessary. It was a lot more painful then than now...or...umm...perhaps I know a tad more now, than back then :). Nonetheless, I've never gone near the frontpage module since! (sad, since I do so like FP personally) Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sun Feb 13 15:07:00 CET 2005 3:07PM up 1 day, 20:22, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1902416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACD943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DELXGf021243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:33 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1DELUUk021241; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:30 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Message-ID: <20050213142130.GA20405@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:36 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 09:00:41PM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: > > > > >>My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > >>the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > >>-- > >>Anthony > >> > > > >Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it > >comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that > >all depends on the environment... > > > > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. I ssh from windows all the time using putty for my client. It's a suberb program with great terminal emulation and color support. I've also used it with public key auth and s/key auth just fine as well. There is also a patch for gssapi/krb5 support, but it's a little more difficult, but I doubt even openssh on max os x has that. For file transfers, I'd have to double check to be sure, but I believe WinSCP was my choice client. It even fully integrates with windows explorer so I can copy files just as easily as the already built-in ftp support, but do it securely. And for graphics, I find tightvnc to be a great program to access a unix desktop with. P.S. I do still prefer to be in front of a real unix system, but accessing one isn't too much trouble from windows. > > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:38:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED03D16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A91C43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46E5FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:57 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > I want my local ntp server up and running, so I put in /etc/rc.conf: > xntpd_enable="YES" but waht are the right rules for ipfilter? Someting > like: > > # Allow out ntp traffic > pass out quick on rl0 proto tcp from any to any port = 123 flags S keep > state > pass out quick on rl0 proto udp from any to any port = 123 keep state > > Or do I have to open some ports incoming as well? The above allows your server to request time from remote servers, either using ntpdate or ntpd. If you want to serve other workstations then you need to accept incoming connections. > [ I think I need a good book about ipfilter ;-) ] the ipfilter howto is good, allthough the nat-part can be a bit obscure. > I mentioned tcp/udp because I read in /etc/services that ntp uses both. ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. > Does keep state mean that automagically all incoming traffic will be OK > (for ntp) no. keep state means that when your server syncronizes with a remote ntp server, the reply packest are accepted. It does not allow incoming connections. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F4043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:41:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 6519A28423; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id E3F3028421; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB06A6444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DEf2kZ092200; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:02 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Dave Horsfall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050213153904.B94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:41:16 -0000 On Feb 13 at 10:11, Dave Horsfall broke the silence and said: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > >>> Note: The paypal payment still stands, please provide us with proof >>> you have forwarded the email to 250 people and include your paypal >>> email address where we can send the money!!! >> >> What you're suggesting is spammy. I don't doubt your good intentions, I >> don't doubt that php-fusion is decent software (I know it is) but >> *think* about what you suggested. > > This is what's known as a "joe job". Now, who has an interest in > discrediting php-fusion? eh? Could you perhaps...ermmm...expand on that just a tad? for the benefit of us uninitiated folks... inquiring minds etc. Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only ONE Sun Feb 13 15:40:00 CET 2005 3:40PM up 1 day, 20:55, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:46:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F177716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:46:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1B843D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:46:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C744FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:09 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:46:12 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > It's difficult to program all outgoing filter rules in ipf. Every now > and then I bumb into a blocked connection that I did want to work in the > first place. Only because an outgoing port was/is blocked. > > What is the most secure way to do things? Block all outgoing and open up > what I wnat or can I use i.e. the next rule in a safe way: > > ### pass out quick proto tcp/udp from any to any keep state keep frags > > Any help or suggestions are appreciated. Yes I did read all the ipf help > files but it dazzles me. What are you protecting against? If you are the only user, and you trust your self, and you can assume that your system has not been compromised, then all outgoing connections are legitimate. Usually you filter incoming connections. Filtering outgoing has the effect of limiting the spread of a posible compromise or abuse by non-privileged users. If you want to restrict outgoing, then allow anything below port 1024 - if this is too much then read /etc/services. Above 1024 are all the non-standard services, kazaa, skype, X, mysql and other stuff. Beware, that cvsup connects to port 5999, and passive ftp-data connects to some port > 1024 depending on server config (however I think default is/should be > 49151). Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:53:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A7516A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C974E43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])2E0FD18001BC for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 14A9E4BDAA; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0500 From: "Fafa Diliha Romanova" To: questions@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:03 -0000 what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? thanks, fafa --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:59:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B40943D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 758241C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:59:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5DCB21C0009E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:59:11 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213145911384.5DCB21C0009E@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:59:11 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:59:12 -0000 Fafa Diliha Romanova writes: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known Replace the colon with a space in the command line. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B1C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845D43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650AE6122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34044-10 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2696121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:01:03 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:00:47 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Fafa Diliha Romanova writes: > > >>what's with this badly written error message? >> >># telnet localhost:61 >>localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known > > > Replace the colon with a space in the command line. > Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. -- Best regards, Chris Left to themselves, all things go from bad to worse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319B16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:04:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4579343D55; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:04:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 2C9A02842D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:05:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 3D3A728424; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:05:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A066444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DF4UrA092444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:26 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Fafa Diliha Romanova In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: bugs@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:04:45 -0000 On Feb 13 at 09:53, Fafa Diliha Romanova ASKED: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known > > have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No, the syntax is incorrect telnet [space] port_number so in this case: telnet localhost 61 Some tangential observations: 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to turn it off. 2. Please tell us that - in the example above - you weren't telnet'ing as root? I see it was to locahost...but even so that's not a great practice. Regards & HTH, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sun Feb 13 16:04:00 CET 2005 4:04PM up 1 day, 21:19, 9 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:05:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FC116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:05:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A5743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:05:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 23821 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 15:05:26 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2005 15:05:26 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 9C29B16A; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:25 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Matt Rechkemmer References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> <44acqfcdqk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050211072027.GA29449@sdf.lonestar.org> <200502120920.52803.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 13 Feb 2005 10:05:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502120920.52803.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> Message-ID: <44d5v44i16.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:05:27 -0000 Ian Moore writes: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:50, Matt Rechkemmer wrote: > > Final question :-), is there anyway to determine if a base package is out > > of date? Or is just wise to leave the base alone and upgrade when a new > > release comes along. > > You should at least update your system when security vulnerabilities occur in > the base system. To minimise upgrades, follow the security branch for your > release - this only has security fixes, not new features. See the handbook > for details. Subscribe to the Security Notifications list to get notification > of base system vunerabilities. The current policy for the release branches is that they are not "security" branches, they are "errata" branches. The practical upshot of this is that some particularly serious non-security problems do get fixed on them. To follow up a bit farther on the original poster's question: if you don't know about a new version of software in the base system, and you're not having problems with it, you don't need to update. This doesn't apply to security problems, of course, which is why following the security advisories is essential. FreeBSD is designed to work well as an entire OS, so very few people need to update the base system piecemeal. [This is why FreeBSD is very conservative about adding anything new to the base system.] Be well.. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BF216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622F843D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 46B341C0013D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:10:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2FDFE1C0013C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:10:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213151055196.2FDFE1C0013C@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:10:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:56 -0000 Chris writes: > Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. I don't see how SSH would help when using telnet to connect to arbitrary ports. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:13:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C10316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:13:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2438D43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:13:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 611041C000A7 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:13:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 486D31C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:13:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213151328296.486D31C00090@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:13:27 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <66812990.20050213161327@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:13:29 -0000 Colin J. Raven writes: > 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to > turn it off. Telnet is port 23; this is port 61 (NI-MAIL, whatever that is). Whoever answers will be whatever program is listening on port 61, but it won't be a standard telnet daemon. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:14:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1275416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B4E43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:14:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9646122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34385-05 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB3F6121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:33 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:14:17 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. > > > I don't see how SSH would help when using telnet to connect to arbitrary > ports. > Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear text whereas ssh does not. Assuming he's setting up telnet on his device. Perhaps the user is just ignorant to what ssh is. -- Best regards, Chris There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:17:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E835316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2943D53 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 1743 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 238CD169; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:17:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: "Reid Linnemann" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050211145816.8FA52A069F@csa.cs.okstate.edu> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 13 Feb 2005 10:17:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050211145816.8FA52A069F@csa.cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <44650w4hh1.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wireless-to-wired bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:17:33 -0000 "Reid Linnemann" writes: > I'm bridging the devices so that the wired and wireless nets will appear > to be on the same physical network to eachother. Well, yes, that's what bridging means. Why do you want that? [Is it a Microsoft thing?] > I think I was really tired when I wrote my original email.. so let me > rewrite my hypothesis: > > I am suspicious that, since the wireless interface on the BSD machine > operates in AP mode, if a wireless client wants to send a packet to > another wireless client, it must be first sent to the wireless interface > of the BSD machine, which should theoretically redirect the packet to > the appropriate host on the wireless net. In the wired network, a switch > handles this case automagically on the datalink layer before any > messages can hit the rl1 interface of the BSD router. I've looked at > the bridge code, and it seems that unless a packet is multicast or > broadcast it will be copied to the other bridged interfaces but not > returned to the original caller. Since the packets being sent from one > wireless client to another are not broadcast, I think that the bridge > module may be dumping them into the black hole of the wired LAN, and > they are not being processed and pumped back out through the ath > interface. Is this a correct assumption? Are there ways I can overcome > this problem? On a quick look, I think you might be on the right track. The bridging code seems in a number of spots to be built specifically for Ethernet. I have always maintained that bridging unlike media was a hack bound for problems... You might have more success using dummynet for bridging rather than trying to fix things in the protocol stack. Good luck. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:18:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E12543D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 69E691C000A4 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:18:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4AC1D1C000A3 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:18:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213151830306.4AC1D1C000A3@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:18:30 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:31 -0000 Chris writes: > Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why > Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear > text whereas ssh does not. How can he test something on port 61 without telnet? ssh requires its own port, and since it is a complex protocol, it cannot connect to just any port as telnet can. Additionally, the danger is in telnetd daemons, not in telnet clients, and the client is what is being used here. > Assuming he's setting up telnet on his device. Perhaps the user is just > ignorant to what ssh is. There's no danger in setting up a telnet client. I routinely use the client to check that services are listening on key ports, such as smtp or pop3 or http. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:18:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1599716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396043D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tonyaj.king@btopenworld.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (tonyaj.king@81.153.94.196 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 15:18:50 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:44 +0000 From: Tony King To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:54 -0000 Hi I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. There is a Unix foundation with OSX but I would like to start from scratch and not have any concerns about messing anything up hence the spare hard drive. Most of the OS's are x86 based but Mac machines are different so I am unsure what the correct choice should be Help Tony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047AF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2019C43D45; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@bobj.org) Received: from mail.bobj.org ([24.250.218.207]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050213152024.WBEL6774.lakermmtao06.cox.net@mail.bobj.org>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 Received: from bobj.dyndns.org ([192.168.132.161]) (AUTH: PLAIN bobj, ) by mail.bobj.org with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131020.14551.bob89@bobj.org> cc: bugs@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Fafa Diliha Romanova Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:53 am, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known It means it tried to look up localhost:61 and couldn't make sense out of it. I believe "servname" is intended to mean "service name", i.e. the port number or name. > > have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No. The correct syntax is "telnet localhost 61" or "telnet localhost ni-mail" where "ni-mail" is the name of the service that is officially registered to run on port 61. "man telnet" might also be informative. - Bob > > thanks, > fafa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047AF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2019C43D45; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@bobj.org) Received: from mail.bobj.org ([24.250.218.207]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050213152024.WBEL6774.lakermmtao06.cox.net@mail.bobj.org>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 Received: from bobj.dyndns.org ([192.168.132.161]) (AUTH: PLAIN bobj, ) by mail.bobj.org with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131020.14551.bob89@bobj.org> cc: bugs@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Fafa Diliha Romanova Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:53 am, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known It means it tried to look up localhost:61 and couldn't make sense out of it. I believe "servname" is intended to mean "service name", i.e. the port number or name. > > have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No. The correct syntax is "telnet localhost 61" or "telnet localhost ni-mail" where "ni-mail" is the name of the service that is officially registered to run on port 61. "man telnet" might also be informative. - Bob > > thanks, > fafa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D8916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB7443D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:22:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0066122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34383-10 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6176121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:45 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:22:29 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why >>Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear >>text whereas ssh does not. > > > How can he test something on port 61 without telnet? ssh requires its > own port, and since it is a complex protocol, it cannot connect to just > any port as telnet can. > > Additionally, the danger is in telnetd daemons, not in telnet clients, > and the client is what is being used here. > > >>Assuming he's setting up telnet on his device. Perhaps the user is just >>ignorant to what ssh is. > > > There's no danger in setting up a telnet client. I routinely use the > client to check that services are listening on key ports, such as smtp > or pop3 or http. > I think we're both assuming what the user is doing and the reasons as to why. Let's just agree that: 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port other then 22 -- Best regards, Chris It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:38:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C901616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B4A43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC1171C000A2 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:38:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 874D01C000A0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:38:18 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213153818554.874D01C000A0@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:38:18 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:19 -0000 Chris writes: > I think we're both assuming what the user is doing and the reasons as to > why. Let's just agree that: > > 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. > 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. > 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. > 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port other then 22 %ssh -p 21 localhost ssh: connect to host localhost.atkielski.com port 21: Connection refused % Telnet uses a protocol that is identical to many other protocols apart from the text of the messages exchanged. SSH requires a specific handshaking sequence that other services on arbitrary ports do not support. So if you want to test the SMTP port, or the POP3 port, or any one of quite a few other ports, you must use telnet. Additionally, there is no security advantage to using any other client in these cases, since these protocols are not intrinsically secured, and any protocols that are secured are unlikely to use the same security protocol as that used by SSH. SSH can be made to work using any port--provided that it is a standard SSH connection to a SSH service listening on the addressed port. That obviously won't be the case if one is testing other services. So the only situation in which telnet can really be replaced by SSH is for a standard login. Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is irrelevant. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.seekingfire.com (caliban.rospa.ca [24.72.10.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9D043D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tillman@seekingfire.com) Received: by mail.seekingfire.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8698EFE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:50 -0600 From: Tillman Hodgson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213154050.GF65744@seekingfire.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . X-GPG-Key-ID: 828AFC7B X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5584 14BA C9EB 1524 0E68 F543 0F0A 7FBC 828A FC7B X-GPG-Key: http://www.seekingfire.com/personal/gpg_key.asc X-Urban-Legend: There is lots of hidden information in headers X-Tillman-rules: yes he does X-No-prize-winner: Nathanael User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:53 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:22:45AM -0600, Chris wrote: > 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. Not in a Kerberos environment it doesn't, nor in an transport-mode IPsec environment. Related to that is connections where transport-level encryption typically doesn't matter: connecting over a cross-over cable is one example. > 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. s/whenever possible/where it makes sense/. -T -- 1. Get enough food to eat, and eat it. 2. Find a place to sleep where it is quiet, and sleep there. 3. Reduce intellectual and emotional noise until you arrive at the silence of yourself, and listen to it. 4. - Richard Brautigan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AF343D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:45:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782406122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34503-02 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683FC6121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F7616.1060309@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:26 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:45:10 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: *snip* > Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he > is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is > irrelevant. Regardless of what you assume - the user didn't indicate the reasons for using telnet nor did he relay the reason(s) for the odd port. Don't assume - either you know, or you don't. In this case - neither of us knows. With that being said, I refuse to get into semantics. -- Best regards, Chris A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E283B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BE943D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:50:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from lothlorien.nagual.st (lothlorien.nagual.st [192.168.11.1]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:27 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213164927.02208a33.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> References: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:50:47 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 Erik Norgaard wrote: > ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. Then how come I read in /etc/services 123/tcp 123/udp "network time protocol" ? I believe you, but am just curious. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:53:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0734A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:53:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4779F43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:53:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from lothlorien.nagual.st (lothlorien.nagual.st [192.168.11.1]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:52:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:52:33 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213165233.129f68b2.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> References: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:53:50 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:09 +0100 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Beware, that cvsup connects to port 5999, and passive ftp-data > connects to some port > 1024 depending on server config (however I > think default is/should be > 49151). I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op known ports to the outside. I also openen up 5999 already. Most problems I encounter are for streaming media. This is blocked most of the time. Are these random ports or always the same? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:54:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3453916A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6E343D31; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from mini.private.submonkey.net ([192.168.10.11]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0M57-000EeG-1y; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ceri Davies Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:44 +0000 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0000 On 12 Feb 2005, at 07:12, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley > and by the FreeBSD Project. Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Ceri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:02:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CF416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD3543D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4EFE41C00095 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:02:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 346721C00093 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:02:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213160220214.346721C00093@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:02:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> References: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:21 -0000 Ceri Davies writes: > Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting their own copyrights in the code? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:23:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C9F16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:23:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B878943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:23:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netch@lucky.net) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (netch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua with ESMTP id j1DGN8Xc009725; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:23:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j1DGN8Yh009722; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:23:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:23:08 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213162308.GA95890@lucky.net> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> X-42: On X-Verify-Sender: Address has been verified (burka.carrier.kiev.ua) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Mail Servers on kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua host X-Antivirus-Code: 100000 Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: netch@lucky.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:23:18 -0000 Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 16:38:18, atkielski.anthony wrote about "Re: WEIRD: telnet": >> 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. >> 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. >> 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. >> 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port other then 22 > %ssh -p 21 localhost > ssh: connect to host localhost.atkielski.com port 21: Connection refused > % If I show screenshot with ssh'ing to port 443, will it be convincing? It is really production-using (there is a place where it is used to pass overrestricted firewall thru proxy server with authorization). Another department allows only connect to port 25 thru semi-secret SOCKS, so port 25 is also working at some host as SSH. > Telnet uses a protocol that is identical to many other protocols apart > from the text of the messages exchanged. SSH requires a specific > handshaking sequence that other services on arbitrary ports do not > support. So if you want to test the SMTP port, or the POP3 port, or any > one of quite a few other ports, you must use telnet. Not current telnet, because it interprets 0xFF in wrong way. See bin/52032 > Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he > is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is > irrelevant. It may be true or untrue. ;)) -netch- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA93716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from elivefree.net (mail.elivefree.net [193.95.149.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9291243D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wayne@nightsol.net) Received: from [212.2.174.166] ([212.2.174.166] verified) by elivefree.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d14) with ESMTP id S.0002412231 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:33:57 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:37 +0000 From: Wayne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:37 -0000 On 2/13/05 15:18, "Tony King" wrote: > Hi > I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. > I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. Freebsd wont run on a g4. Try netbsd - http://www.netbsd.org The page for your g4 would be http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc Some people find linux easier to use when starting out than bsd so if you ever want to try linux check out yellowdog linux http://www.yellowdoglinux.com or debian http://www.debian.org Rgds, W From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C99716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B1143D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:41:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87557FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:41:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F8328.7000209@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:41:12 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> <20050213164927.02208a33.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213164927.02208a33.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:41:16 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 > Erik Norgaard wrote: > > >>ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. > > > Then how come I read in /etc/services 123/tcp 123/udp "network time > protocol" ? > > I believe you, but am just curious. > IANA has decided always to assign both tcp and udp, even if only one is used. You will see that ssh also has both udp and tcp although only tcp is used. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5322816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ALLS.cdi-axion.com (cdi-axion.com [206.162.137.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDD843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Medik@pbsclan.com) Received: from brain.pbsclan.com ([216.228.217.55]) by ALLS.cdi-axion.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j1DH44G8005434; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:05 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050213113307.00b1b1a0@mail.pbsclan.com> X-Sender: Medik@pbsclan.com@mail.pbsclan.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:43:35 -0500 To: Erik Norgaard From: ".:PBS:. Medik" In-Reply-To: <420B3005.5020003@locolomo.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:15 -0000 Hello again, I'm just returning a final note as you have supplied me with the solution, many thanks. I ditched my 4.6.2R, and found another version in my old stack of CDs' the 4.7 version, and installed like a charm, as you suggested, I did a minimal install and fetched all relevant distributions VIA FTP, and everything compiled perfectly along with Apache.. Why I didn't get the 5.3 as you suggested, well, my CD burner is still fried, and I'm not able to replace it anytime soon. so the luck of finding the 4.7 in my overly large inventory of CDs' was a miracle :) Again many thanks for throwing me in the right direction, if I need anything else, I will surely return to you via email :) Best regards. Marc. At 10:57 AM 2/10/2005 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: >.:PBS:. Medik wrote: > >>I installed my copy of 4.6.2 cleanly on a machine, to avoid having to >>find myself looking for more ports and programs to install I did a >>complete installation without bothering with the configuration of >>Xwindows ( as I will be accessing this box from SSH on a windows machine) >>so I don't need the XFREE86 or however its called, hehe. So in essence >>this is all being fine tuned by remote on LAN. > >First, 4.6 is depreciated, since you are starting on a clean install, I >suggest you start with a current release such as 4.11 or 5.3. For ease of >future upgrade, I suggest 5.3. Get the first iso, no need for the rest. > >Second, you might find yourself installing a few times before you get it >right. Not that you get it wrong at first, but your needs might need to >clear up. A full install is not recommended, you will get a system that >requires more work to update. A minimal is better, since you can always >add stuff as you need. Dependencies are resolved automatically if you use >the ports. > >For a workstation I choose X-Developer, for a server, no X. > >>To answer your question about whether I'm downloading .iso, no I did that >>for the first copy of the OS only and made a cd copy from windows yes. >>But all further ports I grab are *.tar.gz straight from Apache.org yes >>and then ftp'd into my bsd box. I can unzip them fine then I'm stuck with >>the tar to which I believe I 'untared' it correctly that now I have an >>apache_1.3.33 folder, which to me seems fine, but I don't believe I put >>it in the right directory tree. > >It sounds like you are not installing from ports, this explains why apache >fails to compile. You should get the ports tree in /usr/ports, then > ># cd /usr/ports/www/apache13 ># make ># make install > >if you get an error, retry and you can catch all the output using script: > ># script apache_build.log ># make ># exit > >see if you can locate the problem if not copy the relevant part of the >output when asking here. > >cheers, Erik >-- >Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org >S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt >Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 >Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:43:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3037316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBF543D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A42FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:43:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F83A8.8050200@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:43:20 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> <20050213165233.129f68b2.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213165233.129f68b2.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:23 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op known ports to the > outside. > I also openen up 5999 already. > > Most problems I encounter are for streaming media. This is blocked most > of the time. Are these random ports or always the same? Dunno, I think they are, but it is badly documented as these are proprietary protocols. google port numbers, some lists are more extensive than /etc/services Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9002316A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3178743D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:51:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 66D771C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:51:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 486491C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:51:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213165104296.486491C0009A@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:51:04 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <973616252.20050213175104@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213162308.GA95890@lucky.net> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> <20050213162308.GA95890@lucky.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:51:05 -0000 Valentin Nechayev writes: > If I show screenshot with ssh'ing to port 443, will it be convincing? Yes. I'd like to see how it's done, if it can be done, although I'm still now sure how it would be useful. But I'd rather see it used to connect to ports like 25 or 80. > Not current telnet, because it interprets 0xFF in wrong way. See bin/52032 I dunno. Works for me. Of course, all I ever do with it is check to see if sendmail or my Web server is answering, so it's not a long exchange. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE78B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4A943D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:05:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so532698rng for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tP978iYwW57a6NjR0JnE0dCKHlSVJU2g1T3ZZ3n/auOJN11u2OTVlyER2MXDx6htO8EZ8qg33F2xhL3X9KY/UzobT9NGWtXLhOyg1LDTGSYPhZWMYSBcGVVZk0K3UZkEMqL/XC404Izjp4e3DcPtwmVDMLEA57iBPTQGUxxBcNo= Received: by 10.38.149.3 with SMTP id w3mr226876rnd; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd55050213090527d9a4c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:05:39 -0500 From: Ben Dover To: aklist_061666 In-Reply-To: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie upgrade problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:05:40 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:46:43 -0500, aklist_061666 wrote: > Hi: I upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and the upgrade went pretty > smoothly. > > I had BIND 9.2.3 running on 5.1, and when I upgraded to 5.3, BIND 9.3.0 was > installed. > > my old named.conf file is still in /etc, but 9.3.0 doesn't seem to be > reading it. > > I tried restarting bind with /usr/sbin/named -4 -c /etc/named.conf > > and it loaded, but for each file in etc/named.conf I received an error: > > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: starting BIND 9.3.0 -4 -c /etc/named.conf > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in > use > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface xl0 failed; > interface ig > nored > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in > use > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed; > interface ig > nored > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: not listening on any interfaces > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: command channel listening on 0.0.0.0#953 > Feb 11 12:54:10 ns2 named[596]: client 192.168.1.40#59629: received notify > for z > one 'climateiseverything.com': not authoritative > > ...[lots of zones have that error > > Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone > 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 > .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.ARPA/IN: loading master file > master/localhost-v6.rev: f > ile not found > Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone > 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 > .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.INT/IN: loading master file > master/localhost-v6.rev: fi > le not found > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I believe you have to regenerate your localhost files. cd to /var/named/etc/namedb and /bin/sh make-localhost This should stop at least the above error. Take a look at the following link, there is a section on what you have to do with named during an upgrade. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/migration-guide.html Note that your config files need to be moved from /var/named to /var/named/etc/namedb FYI i start BIND 9 in sandbox with "/etc/rc.d/named start" It looks easier than typing all that you typed ;) Hope this helps From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:19:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F58816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA8D43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon.burke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so3339249wra for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oFrJHgE3nK0Z2gN8me8RPNPwVY9HzSgoLTL1LRf9KqJiZBuLXwCEQJX9jzF4SP9ZkKcxVIpXZI5TUaVB02/iZkOfYRjEnfuEj3wKImDc161tj55XECaFvVjYbH8K7Z3kRRsaz0tZSZCCqH6XH0rdDz8IrlH5WTrnsQXLDsMoRzc= Received: by 10.54.44.46 with SMTP id r46mr126644wrr; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.11.63 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:19:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d7d2dd205021309194bc2264c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:53 +0000 From: Simon Burke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr In-Reply-To: <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Burke List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:57 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:29 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Simon Burke writes: >=20 > > Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP >=20 > I said Photoshop, not GIMP. I use photshop on IRIX i mean, and you can use gimp too, is what i meant. >=20 > I don't want equivalents, I want the same applications. Why? , if the equiv can get the same job done, just as wel most of the time= . >=20 > I can get Photoshop on the Mac, so moving to a Mac would not present a > problem for Photoshop (although it would for most of my other > applications). You can get photoshop for unix, mainly IRIX but you can. >=20 > > All of MS office can be run via wine ... >=20 > Why bother, when it's so much easier to run Windows instead? If this is your attitude why are you even using BSD, why not use MS server and XP? >=20 > >> Corel KnockOut > > Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to > > use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? >=20 > Have you ever used KnockOut? No > > If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, X= FS, >=20 > No. SFS is a spectrogram analysis system for study of human speech and > phonology. There is quite probably a open sourced eqiv. > >> Rebel > > GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy >=20 > Rebel is a chess program. > >> However, I should point out that I also have applications that will no= t > >> run on Windows: > >> > >> BIND > >> sendmail > >> syslog > >> sshd > >> ProFTP > >> SFTP > > Every heard of cygwin? >=20 > Just as it's illogical to run Windows applications in emulation under > another OS, it's illogical to run non-Windows applications in emulation > under Windows. WINE is not an emulator, infact that is what wine stands for so get your facts straight =20 > > There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job ... >=20 > I don't want alternatives, I want THE SAME PRODUCTS. Why is this so > difficult to understand? I don't want to run just any SMTP mailer, I > want to run sendmail. It's as simple as that. Why? you now seem to be contradicting your self, why dont you just use windows then? you'll obviously be much happier > > ... so i dont see the problem ... >=20 > I do. Many geeks are extremely attached to their operating systems and > relatively indifferent to their applications, since they often never do > anything critical or serious with their systems, anyway. So they see no > problem in using "equivalents" for certain applications in order to > guarantee that they can play with their favorite operating systems. >=20 > Non-geeks need specific applications for specific purposes, and the OS > is irrelevant. So if application X runs on OS Y, then OS Y is the > obvious choice. >=20 > The vast majority of computer users are in this latter category--even > many IT professionals are in this category. >=20 I would really get your facts straight before you say things, it makes you look ignorant. People use operating systems that suit there needs, not to be geeky, not to look down on other people. Windows is fine if all you want to do is point and click at things. EG, dreamweaver, its a very point click piece fo software, you dont have to know any web language to get a fairly decent web-site out, and that is not really a good thing. Where as if you have more knowledge then you would prefer to be able to have more control and input to the final prdouct where with most M$ apps you dont. If you are implying that it is useless using open operating systems (which it appears you are) then why are you on the mailing list. >I've been a system developer, too, several times. But I have neither >the time nor the inclination to be one when I'm trying to achieve >practical, useful goals with my computers. Playing around with an OS is >only practical if you have nothing else to do with a computer except >play around with an OS. Excuse me? are you saying the system developers just play around with OS'es. I dont think i'd get paid =A330,000 a year to play around, I create systems for a sucsessful solutions company and are used in a lot fo smaller companies who cant afford the extortionate prices of M$. S please stop being so ignorant. =20 --=20 Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB http://simon.geek-web.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:22:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9C316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:22:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B600B43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:22:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trey@fastmail.fm) Received: from localhost ([69.40.88.94]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050213172254.ZBRN11805.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@localhost> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:22:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:23:11 -0500 From: Trey Sizemore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213122311.33c14f78@localhost> Organization: very poor X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1cvs1.3 (GTK+ 2.4.14; i386-unknown-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Locale settings messed up X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:22:56 -0000 It would appear that my locale settings are defaulting back to C, at least for gnome apps. I log in using GDM and set my locale to en _US but my gnome/gtk apps (specifically mailers like sylpheed and evolution) default to C when sorting my mail folders (case sensitive) or presenting date formats for the current locale. Here's my locale output trey@salamander~> locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= It appears that the entries presented with quotes (COLLATE) is telling me there's a problem. How can I fix this? It's driving me crazy. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D8216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:47:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpx.spintech.ro (smtpx.spintech.ro [81.181.24.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6423543D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:47:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aanton@spintech.ro) Received: from smtpx.spintech.ro (antivirus [15.0.0.1]) by smtpx.spintech.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA29F3A53E; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (beastie [10.0.0.2]) by smtpx.spintech.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062A3A4E4; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420F9311.8080000@spintech.ro> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:49:05 +0200 From: Alin-Adrian Anton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041229) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dgw@liwest.at References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> <420E2992.10509@ps102.de> <200502121827.13481.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502121827.13481.dgw@liwest.at> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Open-Source: www.opensource.org cc: Volker Kindermann cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:47:26 -0000 Daniela wrote: > On Saturday 12 February 2005 16:06, Volker Kindermann wrote: > >>Hi Daniela, >> >> >>>Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a >>>router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) >>>to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to >>>another point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, >>>and not 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router. >> >>please post the output of the following commands: >> >>ifconfig -a > > > [Showing only relevant entries. My official IP is replaced with x.x.x.x] > rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::202:44ff:fe66:bf4%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast x.x.x.255 > ether 00:02:44:66:0b:f4 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::20a:cdff:fe00:c076%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 10.255.255.255 > ether 00:0a:cd:00:c0:76 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > > I really don't see why you use A-class netmask. It's very probable that a C-class netmask would suffice: rl1 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 Also, the routes for rl1 which is the internal interface don't look normal. You should have only one rl1 entry, like this: 10.0.0.0 link#2 UC 0 0 rl1 And not: > 10 link#2 UC 2 0 rl1 > 10.0.0.3 00:0d:61:17:fc:30 UHLW 1 444 rl1 903 > 10.255.255.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 0 2453 rl1 See? Why special route for 10.0.0.3? Besides that, I hope your nat and firewall configs are not mangled too. Try these changes first, and see if things get normal. PS: there is *no way* for the behaviour you explained to happen under normal circumstances, unless you *explicitly*, intentionally or by mistake have configured the gateway to do so. Regards, -- Alin-Adrian Anton GPG keyID 0x183087BA (B129 E8F4 7B34 15A9 0785 2F7C 5823 ABA0 1830 87BA) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x183087BA "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:48:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EB116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAEC43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0NrK-0007yv-0T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:38 +0100 Received: from [80.103.54.52] (helo=[80.103.54.52]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0NrI-00082Y-90 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:38 +0100 Message-ID: <420F92D3.6070806@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:03 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: ,