From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 4 10:27:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11999 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11969; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id LAA05325; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10463; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:23:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Marc Slemko Reply-To: Marc Slemko To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported sources In-Reply-To: <199805041124.EAA09035@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 May 1998 sos@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > In reply to Eivind Eklund who wrote: > > > I'll say it again: The ads are paying for the service. If you drop > > watching the ads, then you provide less payback to those that develop free > > services, and thus less opportunity (and possibly less incentive). If you > > use this kind of software, you're asking for more services to go for > > membership only. > > I'll say it again, THIS IS A FREE WORLD, and nobody can dictate that > you should download the adds period. If that means that some of > those "poor" suckers doing "free" websites have to close, well > so be it, its not the end of the world, its a victory damn it! > > Its obvious that you must be affiliated with one of those companies > doing this kind of business to have this attitude. It is obvious that you must have some fantasy about a dream world where everyone does everything for free and no one needs money. Or perhaps you are just dreaming about the "good old" days when the Internet wasn't commercial. The fact is that a significant number of sites that are supported using ads today could not exist without the revenue generated. The fact is that they provide useful content to some people. If the content isn't useful to you, just stop viewing the web pages. No need to whine about ads being "forced" on to you if you don't view the pages. If it is useful, then I'm not sure why you are thinking it would be a victory to shut down the web site. And I thought the "software wants to be free! free! no charge for anything ever!" zealots were bad. I don't see why you think you have a right to demand that people provide content to you in the way you want, regardless of their wishes. No one is demanding you download the ads; no one is forcing you to visit the pages. However, if you do use the content then it is quite rude to go out of your way to bypass the mechanisms that allow that content to be provided to you in the first place. The end result of automated filtering of ads on a widespread basis will be either forcing you to pay for each web site you visit (micropayment schemes are being worked on and may prove practical) or the ads becoming more annoying, more invasive, and much more difficult to filter. What this all boils down to is you wanting something for nothing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message