From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 14 13:14:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD29937B401 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10104.mail.yahoo.com (web10104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDC5343F93 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twigles@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030814201451.21523.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.5.49.41] by web10104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:14:51 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: twig les To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to -advocacy X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:14:53 -0000 I think a nice website to have would be one devoted to using FreeBSD as a drop-in replacement for Solaris, i.e. in a corporate environment. Speaking of PR certifications, I'm busy for the next month renewing my CISSP but after that I will look at registering a domain like "CorporateBSD.com" or something. Since I'm a lousy developer, this will alleviate my guilt for not contributing code. The basic idea is to either host or link to tons of how-tos that address corporate concerns like patch roll-outs and hot-spares. --- Robert Watson wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, twig les wrote: > > > I am CC'ing -advocacy on this so we can officially move this > thread over > > (bc getting chastised hurts my inner-child). Please don't > CC -security > > anymore, although I am in no position whatsoever to enforce > this > > request. Now, to the topic... > > I certainly didn't mean to chastise :-). I was just saying > that > certifications are odd things -- they have value in strange > ways. My main > concern was that people seemed to think it had value from a > practical > security implementation perspective -- I'm not sure that it > does. It's > value is entirely in market, PR, et al, and I agree that there > is > substantial value to be had there, if approached the right > way. > > > A large company that has a roll-out hardware/software > package. This > > includes support. I *know* that it is easy to patch/make > world, but the > > number of "computer engineers" that have never heard of SSH > is > > astounding. Management needs a 3rd-party to bitch about and > know will > > still be around in 5 years. > > > > A console port on the hardware platform. Have you ever > tried sending > > management to the pcweasel web site? > > > > As silly as it sounds (and I understand how silly it > sounds), a > > certification like the Red Hack one would help. I apologize > profusely > > for saying that. > > > > I'm sure I'm missing a lot but if we want a corporate > sponsor like my > > massive mother company (which rhymes with AT&C) then it > seems like we > > need different medium companies pushing FreeBSD instead of > redhat as a > > packaged solution. > > I agree with these conclusions entirely. RedHat plays a > valuable role in > the Linux world in a variety of ways, and one of the most > important is to > provide the kind of support and legitimacy presence that many > large > companies are looking for. Having one for the FreeBSD world > would > certainly provide a lot of swing for FreeBSD. It would also > change the > dynamic of the FreeBSD Project substantially, I expect, but it > would be > hard to predict too much how. I think that many people hoped > that BSDi > could play this role for FreeBSD, but obviously that didn't > work out :-). > > So, if you know of a small company that wants to get bigger, > and wants to > give a spin at promoting FreeBSD in this manner (and making > money off it > in a sustainable way), I would encourage you to encourage > them. I'm sure > there are a fair number of FreeBSD developers who would like > to work for > such a company, if they thought it was viable. > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD > Projects > robert@fledge.watson.org Network Associates Laboratories > > ===== ----------------------------------------------------------- Emo is what happens when the glee club goes punk. ----------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com