From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org  Fri Aug 31 19:22:49 2018
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F553FD5C8D
 for <freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>;
 Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org)
Received: from outbound2r.ore.mailhop.org (outbound2r.ore.mailhop.org
 [54.200.129.228])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A8868191D
 for <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:22:49 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org)
X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll
X-MHO-User: 38fa4a8a-ad53-11e8-9234-0d515945242e
X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information
X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60
X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP
Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60])
 by outbound2.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA
 id 38fa4a8a-ad53-11e8-9234-0d515945242e;
 Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:22:41 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240])
 by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w7VJMcYh020399;
 Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org)
Message-ID: <1535743358.33841.81.camel@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: how to use ftp(1) in batch mode
From: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
To: Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@puchar.net>
Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:22:38 -0600
In-Reply-To: <099312d3-cda1-b8a6-b97d-b6e02d46e50e@grosbein.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1808301449001.26234@puchar.net>
 <5B87F083.6080804@grosbein.net>
 <alpine.BSF.2.20.1808311551550.4910@puchar.net>
 <99dde87e-1ddf-e1bc-a1a1-081718100f51@grosbein.net>
 <alpine.BSF.2.20.1808312036420.46147@puchar.net>
 <1535741187.33841.80.camel@freebsd.org>
 <099312d3-cda1-b8a6-b97d-b6e02d46e50e@grosbein.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port 
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27
Precedence: list
List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD
 <freebsd-hackers.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-hackers>, 
 <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers>, 
 <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:22:49 -0000

On Sat, 2018-09-01 at 02:13 +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> 01.09.2018 1:46, Ian Lepore wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > why it is less secure as long as it is my account with 
> > > security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 set on server or even my own
> > > computer.
> > > 
> > My advice: Just ignore them. A certain type of person simply cannot
> > resist lecturing about security, even when they know absolutely
> > nothing
> > about your application or context.
> That's not about a protocol, installation or context but about bad
> habits it general.
> Yes, I know ftp can be pretty secure if runs over IPSEC etc. and I
> sometimes do so.
> That does not make a habit to include a password into URLs a good
> habit.
> 

LOL, thank you for making my point most eloquently.  Y'all just REALLY
can't resist lecturing, can you?

-- Ian