Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:52:37 -0400 From: Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster Message-ID: <20030903185237.GA15280@online.fr> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030903114954.035693f0@localhost>
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Brett Glass wrote: > At 09:03 AM 9/3/2003, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > >To get back to the original example: Qt? It's been entirely developed > >by Troll Tech, at certainly not "marginal" cost, and though they started > >off with a not-quite-free licence, they're doing fine with a > >GPL+commercial dual-licensing system now. > > No, they're not "doing fine;" they're just not out of business yet. So let's talk when they're out of business, ok? That's not happening today. > >An older example, as I said, is ghostscript, whose cost isn't "marginal" > >either; but the comparison is not quite the same, since they released > >GPL versions a year after their commercial/AFPL versions. Nevertheless, > >it is a successful model using the GPL. > > Wrong again. Deutsch hasn't gotten a Postscript consulting contract in > years. That's because he handed over maintainership to ArtOfCode (http://www.artofcode.com) in 2000. For those interested in facts rather than polemics, here's an interview with Peter Deutsch from 1998 where he talks about his work and earning a living, among other things. http://devlinux.org/deutsch-interview.html His problem with the GPL: The GPL takes the point of view that it rewards cooperation by making the work done cooperatively available freely to anyone who is willing to play by those rules, but it does not draw a hard line that prevents that work from also being used in a way that makes money for other people who weren't involved in its creation. [ie, it's not "anti-commercial" *enough*. A bit later,] STIG The GPL doesn't address the issue of making money for people who create and maintain GPLed works. It's just that, de facto, if you hold the copyright then you don't have to use the GPL and that's what you've done with Ghostscript. PETER That's correct. And as far as I know, I am the first person, and so far perhaps the only substantial person, who has taken advantage of that. [this was 1998, before Troll Tech & others] As you recall, I promised Stallman that I would continue to distribute Ghostscript with the GNU license. But I saw a number of companies bundling Ghostscript with commercial products while just barely complying with the letter of the GNU license, so I decided that I did not want to make Ghostscript as available for commercial distribution as it would be with the GNU license. And so I am now continuing to distribute Ghostscript with the GNU license, but about two revisions back from the version with the Aladdin license. The latest version is now always called Aladdin Ghostscript instead of GNU Ghostscript, and is released with the Aladdin Free Public License.
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