From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 12 10:11:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177CC2334D7 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Hb5w0TXYz4B93 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581502308; x=1584094308; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=wFH7HGyTqCmaNoT7CdCw5Yto9qefXdaSLQ3RZqXVSnQ=; b=YH4a3ByarojmNWvHIPsfUp478pE+yTldIDlxxzqT50s66jTwoyQie034s7GTVb7oqZ59Ciqua16ic/CtGDjSZmXT5TIQ7m/YK2IZuQGZb+4//e5lDPbUcQn862NsflnKrd4VctCfN9Vf5N1pC93b18sVDWCFpqJXLdHlYKrHVqc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMmYyOTkzMy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 12 Feb 2020 05:11:38 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 12 Feb 2020 05:11:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j1ozX-000N6N-ON; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:11:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:11:35 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ottavio Caruso Subject: Re: terminology and history (was Re: Re updating BIOS) Message-Id: <20200212101135.6db335fed640cea2268389be@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <202002120724.01C7OcSW005991@sdf.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Hb5w0TXYz4B93 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=YH4a3Bya; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.11)[ip: (-0.31), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.61), asn: 7381(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:11:49 -0000 On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 08:30:47 +0000 Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > The "amateurs from the ham radio community" are (and at least were > back in the 70s) much more skilled than you paint them. The first form > and shape of "workable" wireless data transmission was Packet Radio, > developed by and for hams. Indeed KA9Q[1] was a wonderful piece of software essentially a multi-tasking operating system with a set of useful built in applications, that started in packet radio and wound up the goto tool for getting onto the internet at home. The alternatives for getting an MS-DOS machine online were horrendous by comparison. [1] I downloaded FreeBSD 1.1 using it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith