From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 29 23:53:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F062A16A4CE; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:53:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2out.barnet.com.au (mail2out.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE4A43D31; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:53:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail2out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 27) id 5D785707458; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:30 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <41FC21FA000102FB7E0E95@BarNet> Received: from mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (mail2.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0820D707458; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:30 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (edwin-3.int.barnet.com.au [10.10.12.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA10707456; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:29 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5BD9C60E0; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:28 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:28 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Anton Berezin , Oliver Lehmann , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050129235328.GA1209@k7.mavetju> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Anton Berezin , Oliver Lehmann , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <20050129211747.GD56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129211747.GD56998@heechee.tobez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:53:34 -0000 On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 10:17:47PM +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 10:09:05PM +0100, Oliver Lehmann wrote: > > Anton Berezin wrote: > > > > > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > > > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > > > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > > > > Wouldn't that break most of the 3rd party scripts out in the world? > > Yes, hence the HEADS UP with a possibility to back off if people really > sure it is a bad idea. With the removal of perl from the base-system, they put something in place to make sure that the installed version from the ports collection would be a drop-in replacement and that no functionality would be removed. It all worked like a charm. Be pragmatic, a little bit pollution (a handfull of symlinks only, not even real files) gives you the flexibility to run whatever Perl version you want. Please don't break it now. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://weblog.barnet.com.au/edwin/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 00:40:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D49B16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:40:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from absinthe.tincture.us (adsl-67-113-224-217.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.113.224.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D48A43D41; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:40:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fred@tincture.us) Received: from [10.0.0.12] (great-northern.tincture.us [10.0.0.12] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by absinthe.tincture.us (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0U0e7vb011116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fred@tincture.us) In-Reply-To: <20050129205807.GA36637@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129205807.GA36637@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred Condo Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:40:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:40:11 -0000 On Jan 29, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:24:25PM +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: >> Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I >> plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming >> upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). >> This >> will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing >> pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of >> FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. >> >> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in >> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to >> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. >> >> CORRECT perl-dependant ports should not be affected. >> >> In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and >> removal >> will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in >> ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. > > BTW, this goes beyond what I was asking for, which was just "remove > the dangling symlinks when the package is deinstalled [because they > are now nonfunctional]" It goes beyond that, and it should not. As others have stated, this breaks too much for very little benefit. It would be better to implement exactly what Kris suggested. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 00:59:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B06916A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:59:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BD143D1D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:59:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) j0U0x3uf000680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:59:03 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])j0U0x27l042365; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:59:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost)j0U0x2L9042364; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:59:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:59:02 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Anton Berezin , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050130005902.GJ32122@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:59:05 -0000 On Sat, 2005-Jan-29 21:24:25 +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: >In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in >order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to >#! /usr/local/bin/perl. I'd also like to object. The perl documentation has consistently stated that a symlink to /usr/bin/perl should be created so that scripts can use #!/usr/bin/perl. Removing this symlink will impact users as well as administrators and (IMHO) will adversely impact on the image of FreeBSD. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 02:35:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D5716A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from n120.sc0.cp.net (fh022.dia.cp.net [64.97.160.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245EC43D1D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:35:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doug@allensystemconsultants.com) Received: from xp-athlon.allensystemconsultants.com (198.92.156.222) by n120.sc0.cp.net (7.0.038) (authenticated as doug@allensystemconsultants.com) id 41F1C663000CFEC3; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:35:01 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129202607.0447e3a8@mail.allensystemconsultants.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:35:03 -0600 To: perl@FreeBSD.org, stable@freebsd.org From: "Douglas G. Allen" In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:35:02 -0000 Anton, >Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I >plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming >upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This >will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing >pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of >FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. > >In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in >order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to >#! /usr/local/bin/perl. > >CORRECT perl-dependant ports should not be affected. While I agree that correct ports shouldn't be affected, I think that this will make a difference in how FreeBSD is looked at as a whole. I know that when I write stuff for other people in perl, it is presumed that perl is in /usr/bin, not /usr/local/bin because most of these people are running some Linux distribution. I also thought that is was requested to have perl in /usr/bin? >In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and removal >will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in >ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. I would rather have a couple of symlinks chased down and removed than have potentially hundreds (or thousands) of scripts needing to be tweaked upon installation of a new piece of software that is predominantly Linux oriented. I try to wrote my stuff to work on multiple platforms (FreeBSD. Linux, Windows) without major modification as a practical thing. This would make it more platform dependent for patches or tech support. I would prefer to NOT see this change implemented. Doug From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 02:36:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0051816A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8122243D41; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:36:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cv4wn-00045i-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:36:21 +0100 Received: from [84.128.143.213] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cv4wn-0007Id-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:36:21 +0100 From: Max Laier To: perl@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:36:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1391076.SvK2xSjx1I"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501300336.18750.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:36:23 -0000 --nextPart1391076.SvK2xSjx1I Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 29 January 2005 21:24, Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I Please, "don't do that"! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#DEFINE-POLA =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --nextPart1391076.SvK2xSjx1I Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBB/EgiXyyEoT62BG0RAjW/AJwONe/uwMxG3tMej/6F3q9uvhiewgCeKxbN lfEMcTPT42POMhDTDwzcVIM= =IWXN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1391076.SvK2xSjx1I-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 02:40:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180A416A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (krusty.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624B643D2D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:39:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])7956E44234; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15380-04-9; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p508EFF03.dip.t-dialin.net [80.142.255.3]) 8F84544232; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C799077883; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29912-05; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E8A56778AC; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:51 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Andree To: Oliver Lehmann In-Reply-To: <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> (Oliver Lehmann's message of "Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:09:05 +0100") References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:39:51 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: tobez@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:40:00 -0000 Oliver Lehmann writes: > Anton Berezin wrote: > >> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in >> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to >> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > > Wouldn't that break most of the 3rd party scripts out in the world? Hardcoded paths in scripts are a mess. What if I installed Perl into /opt/mumble on some other machine? /usr/freeware? /what/ever? Changed $PREFIX and/or $LOCALBASE? I'd say let the ports patch the right location at install time and if they break after upgrading both perl and the port, they deserve no better. -- Matthias Andree From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 03:08:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6C716A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:08:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD98F43D4C for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:08:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id BB33437E48; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:08:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.178]) by av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC91F37E47 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:08:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C998B37E47 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:08:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 87796 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jan 2005 03:08:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:08:37 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Matthias Andree Message-ID: <20050130030837.GA87780@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Andree , Oliver Lehmann , perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, tobez@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Lehmann cc: tobez@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:08:42 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 03:39:51AM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > Oliver Lehmann writes: > > > Anton Berezin wrote: > > > >> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > >> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > >> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > > > > Wouldn't that break most of the 3rd party scripts out in the world? > > Hardcoded paths in scripts are a mess. What if I installed Perl into > /opt/mumble on some other machine? /usr/freeware? /what/ever? Changed > $PREFIX and/or $LOCALBASE? Then you would have nobody but yourself to blame. >From the Perl documentation: It may seem obvious to say, but Perl is useful only when users can easily find it. When possible, it's good for both /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl to be symlinks to the actual binary. If that can't be done, system administrators are strongly encouraged to put (symlinks to) perl and its accompanying utilities, such as perldoc, into a directory typically found along a user's PATH, or in another obvious and convenient place. In this documentation, #!/usr/bin/perl on the first line of the script will stand in for whatever method works on your system. > > I'd say let the ports patch the right location at install time and if > they break after upgrading both perl and the port, they deserve no better. And what about all the scripts that administrators and users write that are not part of any port? Scripts that were written according to the de-facto standard that having '#!/usr/bin/perl' on the first line of the script will work correctly. No, the proposed change is a bad idea that will create lots of problems for very little gain. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 03:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0AE16A4CF; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:18:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a2.scoop.co.nz (aurora.scoop.co.nz [203.96.152.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B4143D45; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:18:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a2.scoop.co.nz (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0U3IOBC020887; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:18:25 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:18:24 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton To: Matthias Andree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050130160610.X9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (a2.scoop.co.nz [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:18:25 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/643/Sun Dec 26 11:47:31 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on a2.scoop.co.nz X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Lehmann cc: tobez@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:18:30 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Matthias Andree wrote: > Oliver Lehmann writes: > >> Anton Berezin wrote: >> >>> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in >>> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to >>> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. >> >> Wouldn't that break most of the 3rd party scripts out in the world? > > Hardcoded paths in scripts are a mess. What if I installed Perl into > /opt/mumble on some other machine? /usr/freeware? /what/ever? Changed > $PREFIX and/or $LOCALBASE? > > I'd say let the ports patch the right location at install time and if > they break after upgrading both perl and the port, they deserve no better. Ports covers only a *very* small proportion of the perl scripts in use out there. There are for instance no end of CGI scripts and system automation scripts out there that are produced for in house use. Imagine what will be a fairly typical case: Some website owner who hired a programmer in the past to set stuff up suddenly finds their site is broken. They'll probably call their hosting provider first. The hosting provider might require all their affected customers to find someone who understands enough to fix this - which would add up to millions of dollars of expenditure worldwide if everyone took that approach. More likely, most hosting providers would put back in the symlinks that it is proposed to remove. They'll then have a 'non-standard' modification to maintain on their own systems, and this will probably be standard practice, not modifying all the scripts people want to put in. Seems like a lot of people wasting effort to me. Andrew McNaughton -- The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example." - George Bush, 26 June 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew McNaughton http://www.scoop.co.nz/ andrew@scoop.co.nz Mobile: +61 422 753 792 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 03:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F47C16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a2.scoop.co.nz (aurora.scoop.co.nz [203.96.152.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADB443D4C; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:35:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a2.scoop.co.nz (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0U3ZGZF021279; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:35:17 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:35:16 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton To: perl@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (a2.scoop.co.nz [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:35:17 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/643/Sun Dec 26 11:47:31 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on a2.scoop.co.nz X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:35:18 -0000 On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Oliver Lehmann wrote: >> Anton Berezin wrote: >>> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in >>> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to >>> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. >> >> Wouldn't that break most of the 3rd party scripts out in the world? > > Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via: > > #! /usr/bin/env perl > > ...so long as /usr/local/bin is in the $PATH, they should still work fine. I commonly use this approach, but I run into some problems with flags. Probably a simple gotcha someone can help with. Eg the following useful constructs don't work: #!/usr/bin/env perl -p #!/usr/bin/env perl -T #!/usr/bin/env perl -w Andrew McNaughton -- The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example." - George Bush, 26 June 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew McNaughton http://www.scoop.co.nz/ andrew@scoop.co.nz Mobile: +61 422 753 792 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 04:23:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880FC16A4D1 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:23:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electra.nolink.net (electra.nolink.net [195.139.204.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1281443D46 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:23:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lerik@nolink.net) Received: (qmail 2464 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Jan 2005 04:23:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 04:23:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:23:10 +0100 (CET) From: Lars Erik Gullerud To: perl@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Message-ID: <20050130051620.L83472@electra.nolink.net> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:23:19 -0000 On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. > > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. No, in practical terms this does not mean a one-time sweep at all. It means we now have to manually create this symlink on all machines instead. There is simply no realistic way to change all scripts to use /usr/local/bin/perl (and keep finding/replacing this for all new scripts users may install - they usually don't come from the ports collection) - while this may be doable on a single user's local workstation, it is just not doable in places like an ISP environment, and no doubt many others. So then we'll be forced to create this symlink manually anyway, on all servers, probably for all eternity, and face the screaming users everytime someone forgets it on one. It also goes against what every other platform does with regards to perl, and it is IMHO a big POLA violation. So please - "don't do that". :( /leg From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 04:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FDF16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:51:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DA043D1F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B59B5DE5; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52290-09; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-114-38.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.114.38]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D42A5DC6; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:36 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew McNaughton References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:51:44 -0000 Andrew McNaughton wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] >> Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via: >> >> #! /usr/bin/env perl >> >> ...so long as /usr/local/bin is in the $PATH, they should still work >> fine. > > I commonly use this approach, but I run into some problems with flags. > Probably a simple gotcha someone can help with. > > Eg the following useful constructs don't work: > > #!/usr/bin/env perl -p > #!/usr/bin/env perl -T > #!/usr/bin/env perl -w See "man perlrun" for some additional suggestions (and caveats), as it gives examples for passing -p to perl when invoked via /usr/bin/env or /bin/sh. You might also try putting a "--" between the 'env' and the 'perl' to indicate the end of command-line option processing to env. It's possible that taint mode cannot be invoked this way (as that needs to be set very early on), though. There also seems to exist a PERL5OPT variable which could be set like so: #!/usr/bin/env PERL5OPT='-w' perl This should support -T, too, only it will zap any additional args specified afterwards (or so the docs say)... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 05:01:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21FF16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:01:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2out.barnet.com.au (mail2out.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0B043D45; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:01:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail2out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 27) id 21F0D707458; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:01:13 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <41FC6A180000DFADE1EAF0@BarNet> Received: from mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (mail2.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C598707456; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:01:12 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (edwin-3.int.barnet.com.au [10.10.12.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CD970744F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:01:11 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 88EA260E0; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:01:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:01:10 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Chuck Swiger , Andrew McNaughton , perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: Andrew McNaughton cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:01:15 -0000 On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 11:51:36PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Andrew McNaughton wrote: > #!/usr/bin/env PERL5OPT='-w' perl "#!/usr/bin/perl -w" sounds much easier. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://weblog.barnet.com.au/edwin/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 05:51:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDA016A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:51:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC6F43D1F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:51:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.12] (g4.samsco.home [192.168.254.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0U5t10F020367; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:55:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:51:37 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perl@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:51:40 -0000 Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. > > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > > CORRECT perl-dependant ports should not be affected. > > In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and removal > will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in > ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. > > Please respect Reply-To. > Thank you, > > \Anton. I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid with stable branches. Scott From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 06:18:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E16916A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:18:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1F943D41 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:18:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so667554rne for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:18:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Mf/buKzrJ0IBH9yJktNtV0HmJ7ENI02XVAaDr7bceciUGiiaRckvFm45OLvGs9wmPK6QlQ0fA3LGCTaT/wzxynfz0ybyLuS7P+VWEwkQOiBMM2HLj6qaazFdnRubd+NLY7W/DnXbA3T0TbxR8d95XTVLscRAyPLqHAWx3BMaxx0= Received: by 10.38.125.70 with SMTP id x70mr139354rnc; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.1.22 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:18:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a05012922186657ed46@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:18:49 +0000 From: Chris To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:18:51 -0000 Changing this so it affects 5-STABLE is suicide it will annoy a lot of user's and draw people away from FreeBSD to other platforms, I dont see any benefit from doing this the symlinks have caused me no ill effect whatsoever Chris On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:51:37 -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Anton Berezin wrote: > > > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. > > > > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > > > > CORRECT perl-dependant ports should not be affected. > > > > In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and removal > > will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in > > ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. > > > > Please respect Reply-To. > > Thank you, > > > > \Anton. > > I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major > user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid > with stable branches. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 06:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A510116A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:22:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFD543D2F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:22:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so667905rne for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:22:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TtP3B/whVBQJZ8vyACe07ZNqYZLpS3pxSjdRnb9IIMiyqBM3faqO8PwZIcdPNrW+Y02y7qTRX2eglAcOH/cR/1Zul/t1esJVMe+wnGnwvxl+dfRKgbb2CCAYFDP4r6UtQKxFrnqdXLlkhOt8wBudR40spqA/klohURsVwHbt6MU= Received: by 10.38.10.66 with SMTP id 66mr233891rnj; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.1.22 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:22:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a05012922223f82ae11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:22:14 +0000 From: Chris To: Jonathan Chen In-Reply-To: <20050129081053.GB59312@osiris.chen.org.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050126195253.GB10988@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050128050305.87249.qmail@web54009.mail.yahoo.com> <3aaaa3a050128184542f84bfd@mail.gmail.com> <20050129081053.GB59312@osiris.chen.org.nz> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linking problems with gcc 3.4.2 and glibc on 5.3-stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:22:15 -0000 I mean them downloading from the psybnc website and installing from that tarball, I guess an option I can provide is to compile from ports and make some sort of script to install the binaries to the user's dir. Chris On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:10:53 +1300, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 02:45:27AM +0000, Chris wrote: > > I am talking about the psybnc source because its for users on the > > server who cannot compile software from ports. > > If they can't compile from ports, then they certainly won't be able to > install it; won't that mean that they won't be able to use it? > > If they want to do is compile it, all they have to do is to apply the > patches from the port. > -- > Jonathan Chen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Only the meek get pinched. The bold survive." > - Ferris Bueller > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 07:58:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3F116A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:58:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DE2143D2F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:58:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 63953 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jan 2005 07:58:29 -0000 To: dimitry@andric.com From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:46:51 +0100" References: <1451245397.20050129234651@andric.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: <63951.1107071909@bizet.nethelp.no> cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:58:34 -0000 > > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. > > What purpose does this serve? To keep the base system clean? I'm not > convinced that having just a few (2?) symlinks in /usr/bin will > "pollute" the base system, but it does save having to modify > potentially thousands of scripts. Isn't the latter *much* more > expensive? Agreed. Removing perl symlinks in /usr/bin is an incredibly bad idea. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 08:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B8216A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:16:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3590443D45 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:16:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 64136 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jan 2005 08:16:31 -0000 To: doug@allensystemconsultants.com From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:35:03 -0600" References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129202607.0447e3a8@mail.allensystemconsultants.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:16:31 +0100 Message-ID: <64134.1107072991@bizet.nethelp.no> cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:16:33 -0000 > While I agree that correct ports shouldn't be affected, I think that this > will make a difference in how FreeBSD is looked at as a whole. I know that > when I write stuff for other people in perl, it is presumed that perl is in > /usr/bin, not /usr/local/bin because most of these people are running some > Linux distribution. I also thought that is was requested to have perl in > /usr/bin? I agree, having perl available in /usr/bin is one of the nice points of FreeBSD. I see strong reactions against removing the /usr/bin symlinks in 5.x. Good, presumably they will be allowed to stay. But I would also like to keep them for 6.x. As others have pointed out, removing those symlinks would create a lot of hassle for the users, for very little gain. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 08:44:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CC716A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:44:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F6F43D1D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:44:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrei@kableu.com) Received: from h-69-3-28-65.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.28.65] helo=mail.kableu.com) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CvAgb-0002ud-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:44:01 -0800 Received: from warrior.kableu.com (warrior.kableu.com [192.168.0.1]) by mail.kableu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADCFC0DB for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by warrior.kableu.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1A18411445; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:44:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:43:59 -0800 From: Andrew Konstantinov To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: 5.3 -> 5 : sshd multiple log entries & login_getclass: unknown class 'root' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:44:02 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As the topic says, I've experienced some unusual sshd behavior after I moved some of my systems from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5 recently. The unusuality of = the behavior is illustrated by the following exerpt from the /var/log/auth.log = on the RELENG_5 system: Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jan 29 14:53:38 mail last message repeated 3 times Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0.= 1 port 60094 ssh2 Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[698]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0.= 1 port 60094 ssh2 Jan 29 15:32:15 mail sshd[836]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jan 29 15:32:15 mail last message repeated 3 times Jan 29 15:32:15 mail sshd[836]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0.= 1 port 53837 ssh2 Jan 29 15:32:15 mail sshd[835]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0.= 1 port 53837 ssh2 Jan 29 16:40:16 mail sshd[1034]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jan 29 16:40:16 mail last message repeated 3 times Jan 29 16:40:16 mail sshd[1034]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0= .1 port 54714 ssh2 Jan 29 16:40:16 mail sshd[1033]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0= .1 port 54714 ssh2 Jan 29 17:10:27 mail sshd[1125]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jan 29 17:10:27 mail last message repeated 3 times Jan 29 17:10:27 mail sshd[1125]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0= .1 port 54337 ssh2 Jan 29 17:10:27 mail sshd[1124]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0= .1 port 54337 ssh2 All of the systems have login.conf which contains entry for a root class. I= 've rebuild the login.conf.db database to make sure that it's not a filesystem glitch and even copied the default login.conf from /usr/src followed by rebuilding the login.conf.db database, but none of that helped. The manual = page for the login_getclassbyname() explicitely states: In addition, if the referenced user has a UID of 0 (normally, "root", alt= hough the user name is not considered) then login_getpwclass() will search for a record with an id of "root" before it searches for the record with the = id of "default". So, the "root" entry IS there but for some reason either sshd is being bugg= y or login_getclassbyname() is behaving strangely because as far as I know this shouldn't be happening. Also, for some reason, for each successful login attempt there are two identical entries apparently made by two different instances/fork's of sshd since they have different PID's. This started happening the same time when = the first problem appeared, which is after recent upgrade from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5. I've taken a diff between RELENG_5_3 and RELENG_5 but didn't find any obvio= us changes that could have led to this unusual situation. I guess that only somewhat related change could be the addition of "logpriv" mechanism for protection against consequences of syslogd flooding. To convince myself that all of this is specific to RELENG_5_3 -> RELENG_3 upgrade, I've just reversed one of the systems back to RELENG_5_3 and all of the above mentioned problems have disappeared. All of the upgrades and downgrades have been accompanied with mergemaster. Some addition info about the "mail" system above: mail# uname -rs FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE mail# grep ssh /etc/rc.conf sshd_enable=3D"YES" mail# grep syslog /etc/rc.conf syslogd_flags=3D"-4 -s -b 192.168.0.7" mail# grep root /etc/master.passwd | head -1 root:*:0:0::0:0:Andrew Konstantinov:/root:/bin/csh mail# grep -EA 3 '^root:\\' /etc/login.conf root:\ :ignorenologin:\ :tc=3Ddefault: mail#=20 Am I missing something obvious here? Any pointes on debugging this? Please,= let me know if additional info is needed. Thanks, Andrew --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/J5Pg+6MtxSjexcRAsIsAJ9Y/yTKHxQnVGtYzbd4Ytk3yPpJVQCg1BIr xuVx7TyQIVPRCGPUYvTUHgc= =LD8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 09:50:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D77216A4CF; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:50:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC4443D48; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:50:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CvBig-000LYN-7O; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:50:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:50:14 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050130095013.GA82144@e-Gitt.NET> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Anton Berezin , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Oliver Brandmueller cc: perl@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org cc: Anton Berezin Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:50:22 -0000 --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:24:25PM +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. >=20 > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. >=20 > CORRECT perl-dependant ports should not be affected. >=20 > In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and removal > will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in > ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. At least for -STABLE I see a big impact. I see no useful gain in that step anyway; I would just have to create=20 the link on tens of machines by hand. If it turns out, that this will be the way to (which the discussion=20 doesn't suggest), I would like to see something like this: - Don't change the behaviour on -STABLE (4.x, 5.x), but make an OPTION available, that would turn on the "new" behaviour. - For -CURRENT (6.x and beyond), if the change comes, make an OPTION available, to turn on the "old" behaviour. Something like "make PERL_POLLUTES_BASE=3Dyes install clean" would just be= =20 fine. There are many good reasons, to have /usr/bin/perl available at=20 just that place. Be it good style or not, the reality ist, that a lot of=20 third party stuff depends on exactly that. - Oliver --=20 | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/K3ViqtMdzjafykRArt/AJsH3ei2w+eKAVpCTM+MbTMoMGFtWQCeKcxT kjbJug+itdISOmjO+f2o0Es= =NaM0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DocE+STaALJfprDB-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:03:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E916E16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:03:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from buexe.b-5.de (buexe.b-5.de [80.148.32.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CC343D1D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:03:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lupe@lupe-christoph.de) Received: from antalya.lupe-christoph.de (antalya.lupe-christoph.de [172.17.0.9])j0UA3Q0L022044; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:03:27 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antalya.lupe-christoph.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA47134603; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:03:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from antalya.lupe-christoph.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antalya [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22159-03; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:03:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by antalya.lupe-christoph.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A94BC34601; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:03:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:03:16 +0100 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050130100316.GC8882@lupe-christoph.de> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: lupe@lupe-christoph.de (Lupe Christoph) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at lupe-christoph.de cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Anton Berezin Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:03:30 -0000 On Saturday, 2005-01-29 at 21:24:25 +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), ... "don't do that", ever. Eben postponing this to the time 6.0 comes out does not change it. Any upgraded system will fail in interesting and mysterious ways. I see no benefit in not having a /usr/bin/perl, and I see many problems with it. Even when it does not affect my two insignificant ports, I'm against it. If you are still planning on going through with this, please take the idea to the perl5-porters list first. perl5-porters@perl.org My 2 Eurocents, Lupe Christoph -- | lupe@lupe-christoph.de | http://www.lupe-christoph.de/ | | Ask not what your computer can do for you | | ask what you can do for your computer. | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:13:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5328416A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hermes.uci.kun.nl (hermes.uci.kun.nl [131.174.93.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5E643D31; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xdamen@sci.kun.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (vhe-383505.sshn.net [195.169.208.89]) by hermes.uci.kun.nl (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30689) with ESMTP id <0IB400IXSKEAA0@hermes.uci.kun.nl>; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:13:24 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:14:52 +0100 From: Xander Damen In-reply-to: <20050130100316.GC8882@lupe-christoph.de> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-id: <41FCB39C.5010000@sci.kun.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050130100316.GC8882@lupe-christoph.de> cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:51 -0000 Why would upgraded systems cause problems? I don't think the upgradesystem will delete any existing symlinks? Xander Lupe Christoph wrote: >On Saturday, 2005-01-29 at 21:24:25 +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > > >>Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), ... >> >> > >"don't do that", ever. > >Eben postponing this to the time 6.0 comes out does not change it. Any >upgraded system will fail in interesting and mysterious ways. > >I see no benefit in not having a /usr/bin/perl, and I see many problems >with it. Even when it does not affect my two insignificant ports, I'm >against it. > >If you are still planning on going through with this, please take the >idea to the perl5-porters list first. perl5-porters@perl.org > >My 2 Eurocents, >Lupe Christoph > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:31:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D7A16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:31:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BDC43D46; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:31:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053DF5E7E; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56212-07; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-114-38.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.114.38]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FD15DC3; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:31:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:31:21 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Groothuis References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> In-Reply-To: <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:31:31 -0000 Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 11:51:36PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>Andrew McNaughton wrote: >>#!/usr/bin/env PERL5OPT='-w' perl > > "#!/usr/bin/perl -w" sounds much easier. Sure, assuming there actually was a perl in /usr/bin. I would not choose to hardcode the path to perl when env is available to properly locate the interpreter for #!-based scripts via the $PATH. tobez@ is in the unenviable position of trying to support a language that was added and then removed from the base system. He can produce a port that respects $PREFIX by not changing anything outside of /usr/local, or one that provides backwards compatibility with Perl being part of the base system at the cost of creating extra symlinks and spamming /etc/make.conf. Since the decision to remove Perl from FreeBSD's base was not accompanied by universal recognition and acceptance that scripts should not hardcode a path to /usr/bin/perl, there exists a conflict which is not going to go away until either Perl gets added back to the base system, or the Perl scripts are fixed. I don't want to revisit a discussion of whether Perl should be part of base. I don't want the Perl port to change in a way that breaks existing scripts. I don't want perl scripts to assume that Perl is in /usr/bin, or /usr/local/bin, or any other specific place. I don't want to have perl symlinked between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin. I do want scripts to use a portable mechanism to invoke Perl regardless of where the binary happens to be found, but if people are determined to do otherwise, well, that's up to them. One solution for those people might be to install the Perl port with a $PREFIX of /usr rather than /usr/local. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:44:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CE316A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:44:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.telix.ru (net.telix.ru [81.222.232.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED50A43D48; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:44:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) Received: from localhost (mail [81.222.232.5]) by mail.telix.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0CD51A3F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:45:11 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail.telix.ru ([81.222.232.5]) by localhost (mail.telix.ru [81.222.232.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44747-01; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:45:11 +0300 (MSK) Received: from desktop.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (user-172.pool-2.telix.ru [81.222.218.172]) by mail.telix.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF6B51A3A; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:45:11 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:44:56 +0300 From: Lev Serebryakov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.11.02) Organization: Cave of Black Lion X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1985053043.20050130134456@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Anton Berezin In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at telix.ru cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lev Serebryakov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:44:44 -0000 Hello Anton, Saturday, January 29, 2005, 11:24:25 PM, you wrote: AB> Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I AB> plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming AB> upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). AB> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in AB> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to AB> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. In all scripts of all my friends, who have hosting on my server & use perl scripts? NO, THANKS! -- Best regards, Lev mailto:lev@serebryakov.spb.ru From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:47:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C00D16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:47:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alogis.com (firewall2.alogis.com [62.8.223.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB6443D31; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:47:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hk@alogis.com) Received: from alogis.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alogis.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UAlW9R031429; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:47:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hk@alogis.com) Received: (from hk@localhost) by alogis.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0UAlWVe031428; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:47:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hk) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:47:32 +0100 From: Holger Kipp To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:47:35 -0000 On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 10:51:37PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Anton Berezin wrote: > > >Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > >plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > >upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > >will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > >pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > >FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. [...] > I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major > user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid > with stable branches. It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the correct path. We had enough good arguments against this change already, so imho the correct thing to do is do just what Kris asked for: remove the _dangling_ symlinks. Regards, Holger Kipp From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:53:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E7D16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from voodoo.oberon.net (voodoo.oberon.net [212.118.165.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C43443D1F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krion@voodoo.oberon.net) Received: from krion by voodoo.oberon.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CvChn-000Njg-7Z; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:53:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:53:23 +0100 From: Kirill Ponomarew To: Holger Kipp Message-ID: <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> X-NCC-Regid: de.oberon X-NIC-HDL: KP869-RIPE cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:53:30 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 11:47:32AM +0100, Holger Kipp wrote: > > I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major > > user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid > > with stable branches. > > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > correct path. If it's linux tradition to put perl in this path, perl programmers should assume another path on FreeBSD, so it isn't an argument for the proposed change. > We had enough good arguments against this change already, so imho > the correct thing to do is do just what Kris asked for: remove the > _dangling_ symlinks. -Kirill From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 10:54:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A8316A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:54:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5588743D4C; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:54:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C4FC51471; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:54:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:54:24 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Edwin Groothuis cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:54:26 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 05:31:21AM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > I do want scripts to use a portable mechanism to invoke Perl regardless o= f=20 > where the binary happens to be found, but if people are determined to do= =20 > otherwise, well, that's up to them. One solution for those people might = be=20 > to install the Perl port with a $PREFIX of /usr rather than /usr/local. And I want a pony :-) In other words, it's an impossible dream to hope that all scripts will conform to this or any of the other possible choices (remember the perl motto). Even making everything perl in the ports collection use a uniform style is probably an infeasible task (recall 840 ports use /usr/bin/perl, and that's not counting the others that use another hardcoded variant of /usr/local/bin/perl). Kris --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/LzgWry0BWjoQKURAvJIAKD3LD/kenRb82uEBVEJIoYDjYrbSwCgyJjA VghH9fGRac/oFriv6nkbzJU= =tkJ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:07:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C931E16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:07:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2out.barnet.com.au (mail2out.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53FF43D2F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:07:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail2out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 27) id 864F5707464; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:07:01 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <41FCBFD5000148A1AEFAB1@BarNet> Received: from mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (mail2.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B60707463; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:07:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (edwin-3.int.barnet.com.au [10.10.12.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17316707458; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:07:00 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E4B64612A; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:06:58 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:06:58 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Kirill Ponomarew Message-ID: <20050130110658.GD1209@k7.mavetju> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Kirill Ponomarew , Holger Kipp , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, perl@freebsd.org, Scott Long , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Holger Kipp cc: Scott Long cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:07:04 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Kirill Ponomarew wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 11:47:32AM +0100, Holger Kipp wrote: > > > I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major > > > user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid > > > with stable branches. > > > > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > > correct path. > > If it's linux tradition to put perl in this path, perl programmers > should assume another path on FreeBSD, so it isn't an argument for > the proposed change. Long before I ever saw FreeBSD or Linux, there were symlinks on the AIX, SunOS and Solaris machines from /usr/bin/perl pointing to the right executables. It's not a Linux-ism, it's like what somebody already pointed out, best practice for Perl. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://weblog.barnet.com.au/edwin/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:08:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1222016A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:08:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.uni-oldenburg.de (smtp.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.87.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5065943D2F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:08:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from raabe@kde.org) Received: from icarus.lan (arbi-dyn-11-4.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE [134.106.11.194])j0UB8Hfn028053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:08:17 +0100 Received: from icarus.lan (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by icarus.lan (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UB8RZp016800; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:08:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from raabe@kde.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by icarus.lan (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0UB8JKp016790; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:08:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from raabe@kde.org) X-Authentication-Warning: icarus.lan: frerich set sender to raabe@kde.org using -f From: Frerich Raabe Organization: KDE Project To: Lev Serebryakov Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:08:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <1985053043.20050130134456@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <1985053043.20050130134456@serebryakov.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2482989.fHlQjUBQUU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501301208.19650.raabe@kde.org> X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.1.30.1 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:08:21 -0000 --nextPart2482989.fHlQjUBQUU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 30 January 2005 11:44, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > AB> Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > AB> plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > AB> upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). > > AB> In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > AB> order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > AB> #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > In all scripts of all my friends, who have hosting on my server & use > perl scripts? NO, THANKS! Don't despair, ironically Perl itself can solve this problem for you, using= =20 something like=20 find /some/directory -type f -print0 | \ xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's,^#! ?/usr(/local)?/bin/perl,#!/usr/bin/env perl' =2D Frerich =2D-=20 Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" =46reeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" --nextPart2482989.fHlQjUBQUU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBB/MAj+Cc0VGj85/ARAvc7AJwM+4bgP4p+zXsPA45vZ3s3K4hrkwCgnfmC s4Me86yCK6YKHmmQXUqhpqk= =fS0G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2482989.fHlQjUBQUU-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:10:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E5816A4CF; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alogis.com (firewall2.alogis.com [62.8.223.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CED43D2F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hk@alogis.com) Received: from alogis.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alogis.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UBAPhR031795; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:10:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hk@alogis.com) Received: (from hk@localhost) by alogis.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0UBAPFU031794; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:10:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hk) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:10:25 +0100 From: Holger Kipp To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20050130111025.GB30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Edwin Groothuis cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:27 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 05:31:21AM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Edwin Groothuis wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 11:51:36PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >>Andrew McNaughton wrote: > >>#!/usr/bin/env PERL5OPT='-w' perl > > > >"#!/usr/bin/perl -w" sounds much easier. > > Sure, assuming there actually was a perl in /usr/bin. I would not choose > to hardcode the path to perl when env is available to properly locate the > interpreter for #!-based scripts via the $PATH. a) we had perl at /usr/bin/perl => many scripts are using "#!/usr/bin/perl" b) we have a symlink now => many new scripts are using "#!/usr/bin/perl" c) many ISPs have even more users who assume "#!/usr/bin/perl" works. => removing a symlink to create lots_of_trouble(tm) is not the freebsd-ish way of live. this single symlink is needed. d) calling env and then perl increases load unneccessarily => don't do that. => if you like _YOUR_ scripts to work like that, it is fine with me ;-) e) comparing #!/usr/bin/env PERL5OPT='-w' perl with #!/usr/bin/perl -w => I'd vote for the simpler second one. > I don't want to revisit a discussion of whether Perl should be part of base. ok > I don't want the Perl port to change in a way that breaks existing scripts. fine, so we must keep the symlink in /usr/bin/ > I don't want perl scripts to assume that Perl is in /usr/bin, or > /usr/local/bin, or any other specific place. Your problem. Write your scripts accordingly and be happy. Talk with several thousand programmers who use perl and assume it is located at /usr/bin/perl and convince them to write their programs differently. Otherwise, this breaks POLA. See c) > I don't want to have perl symlinked between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin. Fine, then _you_ can remove the symlink by hand on your systems every time. > I do want scripts to use a portable mechanism to invoke Perl regardless of > where the binary happens to be found, but if people are determined to do > otherwise, well, that's up to them. One solution for those people might be > to install the Perl port with a $PREFIX of /usr rather than /usr/local. Huh? It was removed from the base system, so it belongs to /usr/local. Get real. Removing the symlinks permanently is causing lots of trouble. Not removing them is fine with me and at least most other users. Regards, Holger Kipp From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:11:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03E716A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:11:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xyzzy.snsonline.net (icarus.snsonline.net [210.18.214.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0E943D49 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:11:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msergeant@snsonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xyzzy.snsonline.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F54D7B353B; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:11:35 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200501301208.19650.raabe@kde.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <1985053043.20050130134456@serebryakov.spb.ru> <200501301208.19650.raabe@kde.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <06d669a96d0ca3a9e026f564e0422598@snsonline.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sergeant Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:11:34 +1000 To: Frerich Raabe X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:11:47 -0000 >> HANKS! > > Don't despair, ironically Perl itself can solve this problem for you, > using > something like > > find /some/directory -type f -print0 | \ > xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's,^#! ?/usr(/local)?/bin/perl,#!/usr/bin/env > perl' > One problem I always had with "env" or equivalents... what happens if someone manages to polute $PATH with a perl that is not infact perl but something else, I remember being taught "Always specify full paths to binaries, especially in cron". Cheers, Mark From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:18:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A87216A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from voodoo.oberon.net (voodoo.oberon.net [212.118.165.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DEB43D46; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:18:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krion@voodoo.oberon.net) Received: from krion by voodoo.oberon.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CvD5t-000NtR-Oe; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:18:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:18:17 +0100 From: Kirill Ponomarew To: Mark Sergeant Message-ID: <20050130111817.GC62253@voodoo.oberon.net> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <1985053043.20050130134456@serebryakov.spb.ru> <200501301208.19650.raabe@kde.org> <06d669a96d0ca3a9e026f564e0422598@snsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <06d669a96d0ca3a9e026f564e0422598@snsonline.net> X-NCC-Regid: de.oberon X-NIC-HDL: KP869-RIPE cc: Frerich Raabe cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:18:23 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 09:11:34PM +1000, Mark Sergeant wrote: > >find /some/directory -type f -print0 | \ > > xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's,^#! ?/usr(/local)?/bin/perl,#!/usr/bin/env > >perl' > > > > One problem I always had with "env" or equivalents... what happens if > someone manages to polute $PATH with a perl that is not infact perl but > something else, I remember being taught "Always specify full paths to > binaries, especially in cron". /usr/local/bin is default path in $PATH on FreeBSD, so problems like "what if it isn't perl, but something else" should be resolved by users/admins. -Kirill From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:23:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC1016A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:23:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from plouf.absolight.net (plouf.absolight.net [193.30.224.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B8743D53; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:23:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mat@mat.cc) Received: from cc-147.int.t-online.fr (unknown [213.44.125.147]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by plouf.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F7AA240C1; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:23:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:23:43 +0100 From: Mathieu Arnold To: perl@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050130111943.GD62253@voodoo.oberon.net> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> <20050130111943.GD62253@voodoo.oberon.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:23:49 -0000 +-le 30/01/2005 12:19 +0100, Kirill Ponomarew =E9crivait : | On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 09:08:34PM +1000, Mark Sergeant wrote: |> > If it's linux tradition to put perl in this path, perl programmers |> > should assume another path on FreeBSD, so it isn't an argument for |> > the proposed change. |> >=20 |> As per the current perl-5.8.6 INSTALL file ... |>=20 |> It may seem obvious, but Perl is useful only when users can easily |> find it. It's often a good idea to have both /usr/bin/perl and |> /usr/local/bin/perl be symlinks to the actual binary. |=20 | /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin are *BOTH* in default $PATH. Last time I looked, cron did not have usr/local in it's path. --=20 Mathieu Arnold From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:24:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D31216A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:24:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5716E43D45 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:24:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thermonite@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so574537wra for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:24:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Bw5N1jTuScez7uow285g7dWFEDQEIOflVRASRu7WN7sHSWo3cDzDQJyCpIBMgDQokuIjehhxKr2Vgwm+4TshfIkBimEI9zIy12V75EgVgXhViIpkHnhXNnGcDhKhCQikQBtkxq4Yv39oSNSBhQV5niqup7DkLg9qvW6m/fLf81E= Received: by 10.54.50.54 with SMTP id x54mr438388wrx; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.18.5 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:24:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:24:11 -0500 From: Phil Bowens To: perl@freebsd.org, Anton Berezin , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Phil Bowens List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:24:15 -0000 I think the color should be green. On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:24:25 +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. > > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. > > CORRECT perl-dependant ports should not be affected. > > In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and removal > will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in > ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. > > Please respect Reply-To. > Thank you, > > \Anton. > -- > The moronity of the universe is a monotonically increasing function. -- > Jarkko Hietaniemi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Phil Bowens He who is the greatest of warriors overcomes and subdues himself. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:25:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B288316A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:25:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from voodoo.oberon.net (voodoo.oberon.net [212.118.165.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708BC43D2F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:25:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krion@voodoo.oberon.net) Received: from krion by voodoo.oberon.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CvDCv-000Nwy-IK; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:25:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:25:33 +0100 From: Kirill Ponomarew To: Mathieu Arnold Message-ID: <20050130112533.GE62253@voodoo.oberon.net> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> <20050130111943.GD62253@voodoo.oberon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-NCC-Regid: de.oberon X-NIC-HDL: KP869-RIPE cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:25:36 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 12:23:43PM +0100, Mathieu Arnold wrote: > +-le 30/01/2005 12:19 +0100, Kirill Ponomarew ?crivait : > | On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 09:08:34PM +1000, Mark Sergeant wrote: > |> > If it's linux tradition to put perl in this path, perl programmers > |> > should assume another path on FreeBSD, so it isn't an argument for > |> > the proposed change. > |> > > |> As per the current perl-5.8.6 INSTALL file ... > |> > |> It may seem obvious, but Perl is useful only when users can easily > |> find it. It's often a good idea to have both /usr/bin/perl and > |> /usr/local/bin/perl be symlinks to the actual binary. > | > | /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin are *BOTH* in default $PATH. > > Last time I looked, cron did not have usr/local in it's path. I meant user enviroments, not cron. -Kirill From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:26:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EE916A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:26:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from avocado.salatschuessel.net (avocado.salatschuessel.net [83.136.81.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0243D1F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:26:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lehmann@ans-netz.de) Received: (qmail 9024 invoked by uid 89); 30 Jan 2005 11:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kartoffel.salatschuessel.net) (83.136.81.185) by avocado.salatschuessel.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 11:24:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:27:06 +0100 From: Oliver Lehmann To: stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050130122706.055e1b86.lehmann@ans-netz.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0-gtk2-20041224 (GTK+ 2.4.14; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: writeprotected floppy not unmountable on STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:26:24 -0000 Hi, I mounted a write-pretected floppy on 5-STABLE and now I'm not able to unmount the floppy root@kartoffel /root> mount_msdosfs /dev/fd0 /mnt/tmp root@kartoffel /root> touch /mnt/tmp/test touch: /mnt/tmp/test: Read-only file system Exit 1 root@kartoffel /root> mount /dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local) devfs on /dev (devfs, local) /dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s3e on /usr/home (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s4e on /mnt/movies (ufs, local, soft-updates) file:/usr/ports on /usr/ports (nfs) file:/usr/src on /usr/src (nfs) file:/mnt/backups on /mnt/backups (nfs) file:/mnt/documents on /mnt/documents (nfs) file:/mnt/files on /mnt/files (nfs) www:/usr/local/www on /mnt/www (nfs) /dev/fd0 on /mnt/tmp (msdosfs, local) root@kartoffel /root> umount /mnt/tmp umount: unmount of /mnt/tmp failed: Resource temporarily unavailable Exit 1 root@kartoffel /root> what works is root@kartoffel /root> umount -f /mnt/tmp root@kartoffel /root> CURRENT correctly detects that the floppy is write-protected, and fails to mount it unless -o ro is specified. umount on CURRENT is also possible. root@kartoffel /root> uname -a FreeBSD kartoffel.salatschuessel.net 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Sun Jan 16 15:35:29 CET 2005 olivleh1@kartoffel.salatschuessel.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KARTOFFEL i386 please keep me CCed - I'm not subscribed -- Oliver Lehmann http://www.pofo.de/ http://wishlist.ans-netz.de/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:37:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA8516A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:37:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05A343D2F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:37:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j0UBbM800812; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:37:22 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:37:22 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall In-Reply-To: <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> Message-ID: References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: FreeBSD STABLE list cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:37:27 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Holger Kipp wrote: > > I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major > > user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid > > with stable branches. > > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > correct path. I have *never* assumed that Perl was in /usr/bin, so for me the POLA simply doesn't apply. In fact, the POLA would seem to say that you don't put a 3rd-party product into a system area. -- Dave, who was taught by JohnL From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 11:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B37616A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:46:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A81F43D39; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:46:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D675E7C; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56399-08; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-114-38.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.114.38]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52445DFE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FCC905.60307@mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:46:13 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:46:22 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 05:31:21AM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>I do want scripts to use a portable mechanism to invoke Perl regardless of >>where the binary happens to be found, but if people are determined to do >>otherwise, well, that's up to them. One solution for those people might be >>to install the Perl port with a $PREFIX of /usr rather than /usr/local. > > And I want a pony :-) I don't expect to get what I want, either. :-) > In other words, it's an impossible dream to hope that all scripts will > conform to this or any of the other possible choices (remember the > perl motto). Even making everything perl in the ports collection use > a uniform style is probably an infeasible task (recall 840 ports use > /usr/bin/perl, and that's not counting the others that use another > hardcoded variant of /usr/local/bin/perl). Good word, that. It is infeasible to get hundreds of people to all follow a convention-- any convention, no matter how simple and reasonable-- simply by wishing for it. Since a perfect solution does not exist, it is fortunate that we don't actually need one: just something that is good enough for now, for the present tasks. The Perl software I actually use either works fine regardless of whether perl is in /usr/bin, /sw/bin, /opt/bin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/pkg/bin, or who knows where else, or else I fix it to suit my requirements when I notice a problem. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 12:26:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A2A16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:26:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DFD43D41; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:26:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB59A5EF6; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56700-08; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-114-38.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.114.38]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AA95DC4; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:26:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FCD276.2000002@mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:26:30 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Holger Kipp References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> <20050130111025.GB30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> In-Reply-To: <20050130111025.GB30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:26:40 -0000 Holger Kipp wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 05:31:21AM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>Sure, assuming there actually was a perl in /usr/bin. I would not choose >>to hardcode the path to perl when env is available to properly locate the >>interpreter for #!-based scripts via the $PATH. > > a) we had perl at /usr/bin/perl > => many scripts are using "#!/usr/bin/perl" If "we" means FreeBSD-4, OK. Otherwise, I remember using a /usr/local/bin/perl-4.036 several years before vendors started shipping Perl with the system in /usr/bin. >> I don't want the Perl port to change in a way that breaks existing scripts. > > fine, so we must keep the symlink in /usr/bin/ That is one solution, but it is not the only available choice. >> I don't want perl scripts to assume that Perl is in /usr/bin, or >> /usr/local/bin, or any other specific place. > > Your problem. Write your scripts accordingly and be happy. Talk with several > thousand programmers who use perl and assume it is located at /usr/bin/perl > and convince them to write their programs differently. Otherwise, this > breaks POLA. See c) As I said to Kris, I'm perfectly willing to change existing software or write my own to suit my preferences. If other people want to do something else which pleases them better, fine, that's up to them. >>I don't want to have perl symlinked between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin. > > Fine, then _you_ can remove the symlink by hand on your systems every time. Or I could not bother and simply let env deal with finding the right version of perl. Works for me. >> I do want scripts to use a portable mechanism to invoke Perl regardless of >> where the binary happens to be found, but if people are determined to do >> otherwise, well, that's up to them. One solution for those people might be >> to install the Perl port with a $PREFIX of /usr rather than /usr/local. > > Huh? It was removed from the base system, so it belongs to /usr/local. There is a conflict between installing perl to /usr/local/bin and expecting to invoke perl from /usr/bin. Perhaps you've decided to live with it and are happy with symlinks so that both paths work. > Get real. Oh, I am. Mostly. :-) > Removing the symlinks permanently is causing lots of trouble. For some people, agreed. It doesn't matter one bit to other people... > Not removing them is fine with me and at least most other users. Leaving the symlinks as they are now is probably the least intrusive way of dealing with the current mess that Perl script invocation has become. Fortunately, people doing Python seemed to have learned from these problems, as a quick check via GoogleFight suggests that the majority of Python scripts use env rather than hardcoding a path. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 12:49:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A7B16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:49:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.156.12.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B75943D45; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:49:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E686446B32; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:49:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:48:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Oliver Brandmueller In-Reply-To: <20050130095013.GA82144@e-Gitt.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: perl@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: Anton Berezin cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:49:11 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > - Don't change the behaviour on -STABLE (4.x, 5.x), but make an OPTION > available, that would turn on the "new" behaviour. > > - For -CURRENT (6.x and beyond), if the change comes, make an OPTION > available, to turn on the "old" behaviour. I think I'd be against this also -- those who followed by google fight link will have seen there were about 1.6 million references to "#!/usr/bin/perl" in Google, vs only about 67,000 references to "#!/usr/bin/env perl". One of the important goals in the 6.x work is to avoid creating unnecessary barriers to upgrades, in order to make transition from 5-STABLE to 6-STABLE much more seamless than the transition from 4-STABLE to 5-STABLE has been. Breaking everyone's perl scripts can hardly be described as "making upgrades seamless". :-) Robert N M Watson From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 12:51:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3858C16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:51:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.156.12.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0389643D2F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:51:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7CB846B35; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:51:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:50:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Xander Damen In-Reply-To: <41FCB39C.5010000@sci.kun.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:51:15 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Xander Damen wrote: > Why would upgraded systems cause problems? I don't think the > upgradesystem will delete any existing symlinks? I don't know about other people, but I use incremental upgrades for only minor releases on larger multi-user systems, generally. Because of the level of effort and typical differences between releases, I want a "break in" period in which I can check for incompatibilities, etc, before taking the new system live. This means that there is no "upgrade", there's only a "new install" -- the user data is migrated. Robert N M Watson > > Xander > > Lupe Christoph wrote: > > >On Saturday, 2005-01-29 at 21:24:25 +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > > > > > >>Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), ... > >> > >> > > > >"don't do that", ever. > > > >Eben postponing this to the time 6.0 comes out does not change it. Any > >upgraded system will fail in interesting and mysterious ways. > > > >I see no benefit in not having a /usr/bin/perl, and I see many problems > >with it. Even when it does not affect my two insignificant ports, I'm > >against it. > > > >If you are still planning on going through with this, please take the > >idea to the perl5-porters list first. perl5-porters@perl.org > > > >My 2 Eurocents, > >Lupe Christoph > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 13:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4229816A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:05:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AC643D54 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:05:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8375E37E53; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:05:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.178]) by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737CC37E44 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:05:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ED5837E42 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:05:27 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 92480 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jan 2005 13:05:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:05:26 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Kirill Ponomarew Message-ID: <20050130130526.GA92427@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Kirill Ponomarew , Holger Kipp , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, perl@freebsd.org, Scott Long , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050130105323.GB62253@voodoo.oberon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Holger Kipp cc: Scott Long cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:05:30 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Kirill Ponomarew wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 11:47:32AM +0100, Holger Kipp wrote: > > > I'm fine with this plan for 6-CURRENT. For 5-STABLE, it's a major > > > user-visible change, and that is something that we promised to avoid > > > with stable branches. > > > > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > > correct path. > > If it's linux tradition to put perl in this path, perl programmers > should assume another path on FreeBSD, so it isn't an argument for > the proposed change. It is not a *Linux* tradition. It is a *Perl* tradition which predates both Linux and FreeBSD. Most Perl documentation, going back over a decade, has used #!/usr/bin/perl in example scripts and strongly suggested that system administrators should put Perl there. I would say that there are probably more Perl scripts out there that refer to "#!/usr/bin/perl" than all other variants put together. > > > We had enough good arguments against this change already, so imho > > the correct thing to do is do just what Kris asked for: remove the > > _dangling_ symlinks. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 13:44:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBFB16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:44:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839C243D1D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:44:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])72C9844234; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09996-04; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p548544A4.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.68.164]) 8CD3C44232; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE92877701; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17397-05; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 99D5877A1B; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:38 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Andree To: Matthias Andree In-Reply-To: <20050130030837.GA87780@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> (Erik Trulsson's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:08:37 +0100") References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <20050130030837.GA87780@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:38 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Lehmann cc: tobez@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:44:43 -0000 Erik Trulsson writes: >> Hardcoded paths in scripts are a mess. What if I installed Perl into >> /opt/mumble on some other machine? /usr/freeware? /what/ever? Changed >> $PREFIX and/or $LOCALBASE? > > Then you would have nobody but yourself to blame. So ports not heeding PREFIX or LOCALBASE aren't buggy? Interesting POV. > And what about all the scripts that administrators and users write that > are not part of any port? Scripts that were written according to the > de-facto standard that having '#!/usr/bin/perl' on the first line of > the script will work correctly. As mentioned before, #! /usr/bin/env perl is the canonic SHORT way to run perl, longer ways are in perlrun(1). -- Matthias Andree From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 13:47:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B70916A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7BD43D41; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])622DF44234; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09996-04-3; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p548544A4.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.68.164]) 826D744232; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C0377701; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17398-05; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id D379F77A1B; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:08 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Andree To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> (Kris Kennaway's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:54:24 -0800") References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:08 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de cc: Edwin Groothuis cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:12 -0000 Kris Kennaway writes: > In other words, it's an impossible dream to hope that all scripts will > conform to this or any of the other possible choices (remember the > perl motto). Even making everything perl in the ports collection use > a uniform style is probably an infeasible task (recall 840 ports use > /usr/bin/perl, and that's not counting the others that use another > hardcoded variant of /usr/local/bin/perl). Well, broken ports are marked broken and removed after some months. How would broken Perl ports justify special treatment? -- Matthias Andree From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 13:48:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BC316A4CF; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:48:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8184443D1F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:48:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])CB87844235; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09996-04-5; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p548544A4.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.68.164]) ECEF744232; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB577701; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17398-05-2; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6C6F377A1B; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:35 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Andree To: Holger Kipp In-Reply-To: <20050130111025.GB30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> (Holger Kipp's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:10:25 +0100") References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> <20050130111025.GB30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:48:35 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de cc: Edwin Groothuis cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:48:39 -0000 Holger Kipp writes: > a) we had perl at /usr/bin/perl > => many scripts are using "#!/usr/bin/perl" > b) we have a symlink now > => many new scripts are using "#!/usr/bin/perl" > c) many ISPs have even more users who assume "#!/usr/bin/perl" works. > => removing a symlink to create lots_of_trouble(tm) is not the > freebsd-ish way of live. this single symlink is needed. The admin who wishes to have that symlink can place one himself. Why burden the base system with it if it has no use for Perl? -- Matthias Andree From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 13:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A317116A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (krusty.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E7F43D2D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:49:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])39DAE44235; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09996-04-8; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p548544A4.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.68.164]) 6625144232; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43BA77701; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17398-05-3; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id D1CCD77A1B; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:41 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Andree To: Holger Kipp In-Reply-To: <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> (Holger Kipp's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:47:32 +0100") References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:41 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:49:45 -0000 Holger Kipp writes: > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > correct path. POLA doesn't apply to -CURRENT. -- Matthias Andree From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 07:10:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284C716A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:10:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from msr5.hinet.net (msr5.hinet.net [168.95.4.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814EC43D3F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:10:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dannylee@ms2.hinet.net) Received: from danny ([211.72.121.38]) by msr5.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13664 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:10:47 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c5069a$cde38f20$0b0a0a0a@danny> From: "Danny Lee" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:10:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:03:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: FreeBSD-stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:10:50 -0000 Dear Sir/Mam, Where can I download latest FreeBSD-stable ? Thanks! Danny Lee. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 14:01:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F083316A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:01:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E1243D49; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:01:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1-64.sentex.ca [64.7.153.10] (may be forged)) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UE1fhi038141; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:01:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UE1hC9087599; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:01:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 34B367306E; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:01:41 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050130140141.34B367306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:01:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 07:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:01:43 -0000 TB --- 2005-01-30 13:00:11 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-01-30 13:00:11 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2005-01-30 13:00:11 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-01-30 13:00:11 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha TB --- 2005-01-30 13:00:11 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-01-30 13:08:15 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-01-30 13:08:15 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-01-30 13:08:15 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-01-30 13:58:32 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-01-30 13:58:32 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-01-30 13:58:32 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sun Jan 30 13:58:32 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_mib.c cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_module.c cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes 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-nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_ntptime.c cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_physio.c cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c:99: error: `UAREA_PAGES' undeclared here (not in a function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/obj/alpha/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2005-01-30 14:01:41 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-01-30 14:01:41 - ERROR: failed to build generic kernel TB --- 2005-01-30 14:01:41 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 14:06:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD3F16A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:06:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (fed1rmmtao12.cox.net [68.230.241.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F53443D45 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:06:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xcas@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [68.2.128.106]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050130140609.QQGA10388.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.1.104]>; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <41FCE9DA.6070504@cox.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:06:18 -0700 From: "Greg J." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Lee References: <000801c5069a$cde38f20$0b0a0a0a@danny> In-Reply-To: <000801c5069a$cde38f20$0b0a0a0a@danny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:06:09 -0000 > Where can I download latest FreeBSD-stable ? > Thanks! http://snapshots.se.freebsd.org/ yw From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 14:16:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A241016A4D0; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:16:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from heechee.tobez.org (heechee.tobez.org [217.157.39.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C373943D39; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:16:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: by heechee.tobez.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 66DB512542F; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:16:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:16:06 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050130141606.GA86132@heechee.tobez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Berezin , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will NOT be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:16:10 -0000 On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:24:25PM +0100, Anton Berezin wrote: > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). This > will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT; the existing > pollution of /usr/bin will still be performed for older versions of > FreeBSD, if requested via use.perl script. Out of all the arguments against this change the most persuasive for me was the one of ISPs having to modify all their customers' scripts. So - this change is out. Instead: - use.perl is gone in 5.X and -CURRENT, but not in 4.X; - its functions are delegated to pkg-install, namely: - symlink creation, due to the seeming consensus of this thread; it will be done better than it is done now; in particular, more symlinks will be created (perldoc, percc etc), and dangling symlinks will be removed on deinstall; - spamming of /etc/make.conf, which we need for ports; this is also going to be less intrusive than it is now; - spamming of /etc/manpath.config Thank you all for the discussion. \Anton. -- The moronity of the universe is a monotonically increasing function. -- Jarkko Hietaniemi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 15:34:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D522516A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:34:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95643D48 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:34:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6741337E65; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.177]) by av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B3937E46 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp2-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7FD237E48 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 947 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jan 2005 15:34:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:43 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Matthias Andree Message-ID: <20050130153442.GA930@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Andree , Holger Kipp , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, perl@freebsd.org, Scott Long , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <41FC75E9.3060601@freebsd.org> <20050130104732.GA30800@intserv.int1.b.intern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Holger Kipp cc: Scott Long cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:34:47 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 02:49:41PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > Holger Kipp writes: > > > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > > correct path. > > POLA doesn't apply to -CURRENT. Yes, it does - only not as strongly as in -STABLE. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 15:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22016A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:52:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6082943D2F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:52:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 96BBA37E79; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:52:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.180]) by av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8597337E43 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:52:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC65437E45 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:52:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1002 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jan 2005 15:52:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:52:01 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Matthias Andree Message-ID: <20050130155201.GB930@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Andree , perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, tobez@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <20050130030837.GA87780@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: tobez@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:52:04 -0000 On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 02:44:38PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > Erik Trulsson writes: > > >> Hardcoded paths in scripts are a mess. What if I installed Perl into > >> /opt/mumble on some other machine? /usr/freeware? /what/ever? Changed > >> $PREFIX and/or $LOCALBASE? > > > > Then you would have nobody but yourself to blame. > > So ports not heeding PREFIX or LOCALBASE aren't buggy? Interesting POV. That is not what I said (but, no, they are not necessarily buggy depending on why the they don't heed PREFIX/LOCALBASE.) Respecting PREFIX and LOCALBASE is good, but keeping things working is even better. > > > And what about all the scripts that administrators and users write that > > are not part of any port? Scripts that were written according to the > > de-facto standard that having '#!/usr/bin/perl' on the first line of > > the script will work correctly. > > As mentioned before, #! /usr/bin/env perl is the canonic SHORT way to > run perl, longer ways are in perlrun(1). It might be the canonic way and it might even be the best way, but it is not the standard way. Older versions of perlrun(1) (like the one included in FreeBSD 4.x) does not even mention /usr/bin/env so don't expect too many scripts to use it (and the context in which 'env' is mentioned is handling OS-specific limitations of the #! mechanism.) perlrun(1) does however say that "When possible, it's good for both /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl to be symlinks to the actual binary." -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 16:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE0C16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-gw-cl-d.dmv.com (smtp-gw-cl-d.dmv.com [216.240.97.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A48343D2D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:13:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sven@dmv.com) Received: from mail-gw-cl-b.dmv.com (mail-gw-cl-b.dmv.com [216.240.97.39]) j0UGPQWa072932; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:25:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sven@dmv.com) Received: from [64.45.134.154] (dogpound.dyndns.org [64.45.134.154]) by mail-gw-cl-b.dmv.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0UGDKeE060017; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sven@dmv.com) Message-ID: <41FD07A0.2060809@dmv.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:13:20 -0500 From: Sven Willenberger User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perl@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 216.240.97.42 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 216.240.97.39 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:13:22 -0000 Anton Berezin wrote: > > In order to keep pkg-install simple, no old symlink chasing and removal > will be done, although the detailed instructions will be posted in > ports/UPDATING and in pkg-message for the ports. > How about leaving it up to the installer? Much like the minicom port prompts the user if they would like to symlink a /dev/modem device, why not ask (post-install) "Would you like to make a symlink in /usr/bin to your new installation?" or as someone else has suggested add a make flag (make ADD_SYMLINK=yes). Those who wish to have an unpolluted /usr/bin can not opt for a symlink, those that want compatibility with a majority of the scripts already written can have the link created. Just a thought, Sven From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 16:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A710B16A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:54:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electricrain.com (electricrain.com [64.71.143.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6050543D41 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:54:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fuzzy@electricrain.com) Received: (qmail 1095 invoked by uid 540); 30 Jan 2005 16:53:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:53:58 -0800 From: Chris Doherty To: perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050130165358.GL5255@zot.electricrain.com> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: XEmacs X-Koan: mu. 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Organization: The Inside Foundation Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris-freebsd@randomcamel.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:54:00 -0000 On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:24:25PM +0100, Anton Berezin said: > In practical terms this will mean a one-time sweep of your scripts in > order to convert them, in a typical case, from #! /usr/bin/perl to > #! /usr/local/bin/perl. options under discussion: 1) break *millions* of pieces of Perl software, plenty of it run by people unable or uninterested in modifying every last little corner of it (even with an automated find/replace, which is guaranteed to break *something*, and if I were them I would just switch to Debian at that point), so the FreeBSD's /usr/bin can have one less symlink by default. 2) respect the way the world actually is, and just leave the symlink in place. #1 does more than violate POLA; it's more akin to renaming /bin/cp to /bin/copy, in the name of progress, and saying everyone should just update their code. it's not clear to me how #1 is a serious choice. chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 18:11:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A224E16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:11:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sv07e.atm-tzs.kmjeuro.com (sv07e.atm-tzs.kmjeuro.com [193.81.94.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC23B43D2D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:11:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from k.joch@ctseuro.com) Received: from sv03 (adsl.sbg.kmjeuro.com [62.99.198.46]) (authenticated bits=0)j0UIB2Iw070655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:11:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from k.joch@ctseuro.com) From: "Karl M. 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Protected by www.ctseuro.com X-CTS-CTSTZS-Mailserver: Found to be clean X-CTS-CTSTZS-Mailserver-From: k.joch@ctseuro.com Subject: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:11:15 -0000 hello, after upgrading to 5.3 (cvsup) i have a lot of network problems with realtec 8139 cards. these cards worked fine with 4.x and 5.2.1. the network is slowing down heavily without seeing any problems reports on console or syslog (*.* logged). are there any known problems with these card and 5.3? this happens on different servers updated since the last 2 weeks. many thanks, karl From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 18:28:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A422C16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:28:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673BA43D2F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:28:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DC4129A2B for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:28:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63278-06 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:28:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D25C1299E6 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:28:50 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5BEF33ACB0; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:28:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5810F3ACA0 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:28:47 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:28:47 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050130142600.R92643@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Subject: Vinum causes server to crash/reboot ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:28:52 -0000 Just got burnt on one of my machines, where I was looking to reconfigure my RAID drive ... right now, its down :( I cleared everything off the drive, unmount'd it and then did a 'vinum resetconfig' ... that all worked great, but as soon as I did a 'vinum create ' to recreate it, the server crashed/rebooted ... I forgot about that 'experience' from before, so failed to remember to comment out the line in /etc/fstab for that file system, so right now the server is sitting remotely at the 'choose shell for single user mode' prompt, but am wondering if this is actually expected behaviour, or a bug with vinum? I'm running 4.x from Oct 8th on that server, if its maybe a 'since been fixed' bug ... ? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 20:15:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888BC16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:15:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B105443D45 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:15:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 473908566C; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:45:31 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:45:31 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20050130201531.GA76133@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20050130142600.R92643@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GXT8AkipAZwA99QD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050130142600.R92643@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vinum causes server to crash/reboot ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:15:36 -0000 --GXT8AkipAZwA99QD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 30 January 2005 at 14:28:47 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Just got burnt on one of my machines, where I was looking to reconfigure > my RAID drive ... right now, its down :( > > I cleared everything off the drive, unmount'd it and then did a 'vinum > resetconfig' ... that all worked great, but as soon as I did a 'vinum > create ' to recreate it, the server crashed/rebooted ... Where's the dump? Based on the information supplied, there's little anybody can do. I'd guess it won't show up again either. If it does, please supply the information requested in the man page or at http://www.vinumvm.org/vinum/how-to-debug.html. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --GXT8AkipAZwA99QD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/UBjIubykFB6QiMRAnssAJ9+f8WrCJZ1Eun3d5jiRbEwQSMW6QCgk+E5 +yWbJI4W85DsVD1S3Hr532o= =NCXy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GXT8AkipAZwA99QD-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 20:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E4516A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:17:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD36243D39; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:17:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75A5D51514; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:17:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:17:48 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Matthias Andree Message-ID: <20050130201748.GA22358@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: Edwin Groothuis cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:17:50 -0000 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 02:47:08PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > Kris Kennaway writes: >=20 > > In other words, it's an impossible dream to hope that all scripts will > > conform to this or any of the other possible choices (remember the > > perl motto). Even making everything perl in the ports collection use > > a uniform style is probably an infeasible task (recall 840 ports use > > /usr/bin/perl, and that's not counting the others that use another > > hardcoded variant of /usr/local/bin/perl). >=20 > Well, broken ports are marked broken and removed after some months. > How would broken Perl ports justify special treatment? As I mention above, it's a rule that would be impossible to enforce on third party scripts, so it would be wasted effort to try. Kris --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/UDrWry0BWjoQKURAuvgAJ0R6ofTGwzYE3o0hKWVpf21bo/sDgCeJxzu VyYuHsLSSC0mhpEc0NRbj9c= =3wuN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 20:32:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BCE16A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:32:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0553543D39; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:32:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6072129DD4; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:32:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98539-08; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:32:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A113129A2B; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:32:15 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3E5C434051; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:32:16 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3576733F72; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:32:16 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:32:16 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey In-Reply-To: <20050130201531.GA76133@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20050130163055.G92643@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050130142600.R92643@ganymede.hub.org> <20050130201531.GA76133@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vinum causes server to crash/reboot ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:32:19 -0000 'k, waiting for a tech to get at the server to get the server back up ... its happened before, and I *believe* that a core dump is generated, but, of course, my /var/crash is link'd onto the file system that I was in the process of rebuilding, so can't help there :( Will see if any of the other information is available ... On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 30 January 2005 at 14:28:47 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> Just got burnt on one of my machines, where I was looking to reconfigure >> my RAID drive ... right now, its down :( >> >> I cleared everything off the drive, unmount'd it and then did a 'vinum >> resetconfig' ... that all worked great, but as soon as I did a 'vinum >> create ' to recreate it, the server crashed/rebooted ... > > Where's the dump? > > Based on the information supplied, there's little anybody can do. I'd > guess it won't show up again either. If it does, please supply the > information requested in the man page or at > http://www.vinumvm.org/vinum/how-to-debug.html. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 20:41:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600A816A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:41:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zoot.lafn.org (zoot.lafn.ORG [206.117.18.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1261843D41; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:41:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.90] ([4.28.157.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoot.lafn.org (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0UKfR3J055081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) In-Reply-To: <20050130201748.GA22358@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <20050130162753.D9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> <41FC67D8.2020609@mac.com> <20050130050110.GC1209@k7.mavetju> <41FCB779.7030902@mac.com> <20050130105424.GA31598@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050130201748.GA22358@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Hardie Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:41:25 -0800 To: Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 15:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: Edwin Groothuis cc: Matthias Andree cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:41:31 -0000 On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:17, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 02:47:08PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: >> Kris Kennaway writes: >> >>> In other words, it's an impossible dream to hope that all scripts >>> will >>> conform to this or any of the other possible choices (remember the >>> perl motto). Even making everything perl in the ports collection use >>> a uniform style is probably an infeasible task (recall 840 ports use >>> /usr/bin/perl, and that's not counting the others that use another >>> hardcoded variant of /usr/local/bin/perl). >> >> Well, broken ports are marked broken and removed after some months. >> How would broken Perl ports justify special treatment? > > As I mention above, it's a rule that would be impossible to enforce on > third party scripts, so it would be wasted effort to try. Many years ago in a far off version, perl was a port and all my loyal subjects worked in peace and harmony. However, someone changed perl to be part of the base system. My subjects rebelled and refused to work saying the the perl of great price could no longer be found. After many hours of chasing this perl and correcting its location my subjects returned to work, and peace and harmony reigned again. Now I see perl going back towards being a port. This realm is not looking forward to another strike by its subjects. The grocery store strike here was more than enough. Don't need any more of them. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 20:53:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA5516A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from banana.catalyst2.com (banana.active-ns.com [213.230.202.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC59443D2F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:53:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@linuxmod.co.uk) Received: from gburch.plus.com ([80.229.240.78] helo=[192.168.2.154]) by banana.catalyst2.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CvM4n-00009r-D7 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:53:45 +0000 Message-ID: <41FD49ED.3070007@linuxmod.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:56:13 +0000 From: Joel Cant User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - banana.catalyst2.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - linuxmod.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Sparc64 Install 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:53:37 -0000 Hi all Is it possible to install 5.3 on a sparc64 (Ultra 5) without using serial console, I seem to get garbled consoles when I try to install via normal screen and keyboard? Joel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 21:25:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F94616A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:25:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from isak.is (isak.is [193.109.22.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C913043D1D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:25:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from isak@isak.is) Received: from www.iso.is (isak@localhost.iso.is [127.0.0.1]) by isak.is (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ULCjU2047203; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:12:49 GMT (envelope-from isak@isak.is) From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CDsak_Ben?=." To: "Karl M. Joch" , Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:12:45 +0000 Message-Id: <20050130211112.M24182@isak.is> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.50 20050106 X-OriginatingIP: 193.109.22.250 (isak) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: isak@isak.is List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:25:14 -0000 I had a similar problem on a few boxes, you should check the mailing list archives for a recent discussion on how crappy the realtec nic's are. -- sak Ben, http://www.isak.is ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Karl M. Joch" To: Sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:57 +0100 Subject: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 > hello, > > after upgrading to 5.3 (cvsup) i have a lot of network problems with > realtec 8139 cards. these cards worked fine with 4.x and 5.2.1. the > network is slowing down heavily without seeing any problems reports on > console or syslog (*.* logged). are there any known problems with these > card and 5.3? this happens on different servers updated since the last 2 > weeks. > > many thanks, > > karl > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ------- End of Original Message ------- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 21:28:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EB116A4CF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:28:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spider.deepcore.dk (cpe.atm2-0-53484.0x50a6c9a6.abnxx9.customer.tele.dk [80.166.201.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A64143D4C for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:28:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Received: from [194.192.25.143] (laptop.deepcore.dk [194.192.25.143]) by spider.deepcore.dk (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ULS14O007025; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:28:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Message-ID: <41FD5156.8000308@DeepCore.dk> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:50 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pertti Kosunen References: <41FD47AD.20505@pp.nic.fi> In-Reply-To: <41FD47AD.20505@pp.nic.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-mail-scanned: by DeepCore Virus & Spam killer v1.6 cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: READ_DMA timeouts caused by ALI southbridge (5.3-STABLE) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Pertti Kosunen wrote: > My READ_DMA timeout problem with 160GB disk partitially solved. Asus=20 > A7A266 southbridge (ALi 1535D+) don't support DMA with LBA48. This is=20 > somehow worked around with Windows drivers, so is same possible in=20 > FreeBSD also? I guess their "workaround" is to use PIO mode to access the portions=20 that need 48bit access. There is currently no provision in ATA for doing = this on a "quirk" basis, but that could be added at some time. I'll=20 stick it on my TODO list... --=20 -S=F8ren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 21:34:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D7216A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:34:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D28243D1F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:34:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CvMhq-0003KF-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from [84.128.143.213] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CvMhq-0002TZ-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:34:07 +0100 From: Max Laier To: isak@isak.is Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:33:51 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050130211112.M24182@isak.is> In-Reply-To: <20050130211112.M24182@isak.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2386729.JsLvApJGkk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501302233.57945.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: "Karl M. Joch" Subject: Re: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:34:11 -0000 --nextPart2386729.JsLvApJGkk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary-01=_BLV/BmKhJrrZmkQ" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_BLV/BmKhJrrZmkQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, can you try the attached patch (relative to RELENG_5). It disables batch=20 transfers from the system queue to the driver - an optimization introduced= =20 while enabling rl(4) for ALTQ. Please let me know if it improves the=20 situation. If it does, this is a sign of a more fundamental problem in the= =20 driver locking (or the card timing) and needs further evaluation. Thanks. On Sunday 30 January 2005 22:12, =CDsak Ben. wrote: > I had a similar problem on a few boxes, you should check the mailing list > archives for a recent discussion on how crappy the realtec nic's are. > > > -- > =CDsak Ben, > http://www.isak.is > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "Karl M. Joch" > To: > Sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:57 +0100 > Subject: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 > > > hello, > > > > after upgrading to 5.3 (cvsup) i have a lot of network problems with > > realtec 8139 cards. these cards worked fine with 4.x and 5.2.1. the > > network is slowing down heavily without seeing any problems reports on > > console or syslog (*.* logged). are there any known problems with these > > card and 5.3? this happens on different servers updated since the last 2 > > weeks. > > > > many thanks, > > > > karl =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --Boundary-01=_BLV/BmKhJrrZmkQ Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="unbatch.if_rl.c.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="unbatch.if_rl.c.patch" Index: if_rl.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /usr/store/mlaier/fcvs/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c,v retrieving revision 1.145 diff -u -r1.145 if_rl.c =2D-- if_rl.c 9 Aug 2004 20:22:17 -0000 1.145 +++ if_rl.c 30 Jan 2005 18:24:23 -0000 @@ -964,7 +964,7 @@ #endif ifp->if_capenable =3D ifp->if_capabilities; IFQ_SET_MAXLEN(&ifp->if_snd, IFQ_MAXLEN); =2D ifp->if_snd.ifq_drv_maxlen =3D IFQ_MAXLEN; + ifp->if_snd.ifq_drv_maxlen =3D 0; IFQ_SET_READY(&ifp->if_snd); =20 callout_handle_init(&sc->rl_stat_ch); --Boundary-01=_BLV/BmKhJrrZmkQ-- --nextPart2386729.JsLvApJGkk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBB/VLFXyyEoT62BG0RAiNQAJ4zRiTO1mk2X+3aUV1DVVzaTDBIYgCeLwXW Nu6ustG0tYCGemKHR9tQVYI= =0hr7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2386729.JsLvApJGkk-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 22:18:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A4116A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:18:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wrzx35.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx35.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1987E43D1D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:18:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Received: from wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.34]) by wrzx35.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D63E1984; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from virusscan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9CAB163D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB2AB15E1; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from coyote.q.local (wwsx14.win-screen.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.253.14]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192F1D8C7A; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (roadrunner.q.local [192.168.0.148]) by coyote.q.local (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UMI5Mk044684; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UMI52o005923; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Received: (from q@localhost) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0UMI3TT005922; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:03 +0100 From: Ulrich Spoerlein To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050130221803.GB2600@galgenberg.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (Rechenzentrum Universitaet Wuerzburg) cc: phk@freebsd.org Subject: Size of metadata required for GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:18:08 -0000 --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just fiddled around with using GBDE for ISO images (it works) and stumbled across the need to "guess" the size required for the GBDE container. Looks like the size is not increasing linearly. Here are the numbers of 512 byte blocks available in md0 and md0.bde md0 | md0.bde | diff. 2048 1952 96 4096 3936 160 8192 7936 256 16384 15872 512 32768 31744 1024 65536 63520 2016 So, what's the correct formula? Ulrich Spoerlein --=20 PGP Key ID: F0DB9F44 Encrypted mail welcome! Fingerprint: F1CE D062 0CA9 ADE3 349B 2FE8 980A C6B5 F0DB 9F44 Ok, which part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." didn't you understand? --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/V0bmArGtfDbn0QRAnWhAKCEMky5v8bCBczFETgCSk+V4NKqrQCgvYeM xYfbUMHTf+vVcULoEpyXItg= =LjU3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 22:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1842816A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:24:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (f170.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B82E43D49 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:24:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UMObsX076989; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:24:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Ulrich Spoerlein From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:03 +0100." <20050130221803.GB2600@galgenberg.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:24:37 +0100 Message-ID: <76988.1107123877@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Size of metadata required for GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0000 In message <20050130221803.GB2600@galgenberg.net>, Ulrich Spoerlein writes: >Hi all, > >I just fiddled around with using GBDE for ISO images (it works) and >stumbled across the need to "guess" the size required for the GBDE >container. > >Looks like the size is not increasing linearly. Here are the numbers of >512 byte blocks available in md0 and md0.bde > md0 | md0.bde | diff. > 2048 1952 96 > 4096 3936 160 > 8192 7936 256 >16384 15872 512 >32768 31744 1024 >65536 63520 2016 > >So, what's the correct formula? First off, if you want to use gbde on a CDROM you should use a sectorsize of 2048 througout (-S 2048 argument to mdconfig). The amount of metadata in GBDE is pretty straight forward: 1. If do not use off-line keyfiles: deduct one sector. 2. Deduct the key sectors (1 to 4) 3. Find zone size: nsect = sectorsize / 16 nzone = nsect + 1 4. Find number of zones: z = remaining_sectors / nzone 5. Find usable size: size = z * nsect 6. Find overhead/metadata as: total_sectors - size -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 23:26:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411D016A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:26:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [66.143.173.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1502743D45 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:26:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from decibel@decibel.org) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ADD711C915; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:26:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:26:06 -0600 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050130232606.GU64304@decibel.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Jim C. Nasby" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p3 i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Problems with mailing lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:26:07 -0000 I've been trying to change my email address from jim@nasby.net to decibel@decibel.org on all my subscriptions at freebsd.org, but the Change globally option isn't working. -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Consultant decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 23:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0B516A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABE543D1D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:45:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.65.223]) by mta9.adelphia.netESMTP <20050130234555.CLLY7046.mta9.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:45:55 -0500 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2A5E9B4FC; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:46:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:46:02 -0500 From: Parv To: Anton Berezin , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050130234602.GA8616@holestein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Berezin , perl@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:45:56 -0000 in message <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org>, wrote Anton Berezin thusly... > > Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). > This will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT I am for it. Please do do that. Thanks. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 01:19:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C8216A4CE; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:19:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89F543D41; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:19:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:19:21 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id E78F65D07; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:19:20 -0800 (PST) To: Matthias Andree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:41 +0100." Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:19:20 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20050131011920.E78F65D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: Holger Kipp cc: Scott Long cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:19:22 -0000 > From: Matthias Andree > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:41 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > Holger Kipp writes: > > > It violates POLA on 5-STABLE, and it will violate POLA on 6-CURRENT, > > especially as most perl programmers assume /usr/bin/perl to be the > > correct path. > > POLA doesn't apply to -CURRENT. POLA always applies, but major releases are considered a good opportunity to make needed changes that would generate excessive astonishment on a minor update. This is at least too big for a minor update POLA violation and may well be too big for even a major version. FreeBSD does NOT exist to justify hier(7), style(9) or anything of the sort. These are tools to provide consistent behavior and make FreeBSD maintainable and understandable to developers and users, not to say "screw the users". Perl has been in /usr/bin on almost every Unix-like OS around for longer than FreeBSD has existed. I think changing something like this would be REALLY astonishing to way too many users and developers who happen to write Perl and expect to find it where the Perl documentation say to. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 09:09:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946E416A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:09:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167F843D4C for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:09:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IB600AELBVTER10@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:04:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no ([80.202.72.152]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with SMTP id <0IB6001HTC8PUBO0@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:12:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:07:42 +0100 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq;m"_0v;~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH In-reply-to: <41FD49ED.3070007@linuxmod.co.uk> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <20050131100742.462222f4.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0beta3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <41FD49ED.3070007@linuxmod.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sparc64 Install 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:09:52 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:56:13 +0000 Joel Cant wrote: > Hi all > > Is it possible to install 5.3 on a sparc64 (Ultra 5) without using > serial console, I seem to get garbled consoles when I try to install > via normal screen and keyboard? The standard (non-serial) console is broken (with regards to input at least) in 5.3. There are at least two problems; 1) cursor keys don't work correctly, making navigating with them impossible. 2) you must type very slowly, or else characters will be lost. That said, yoy *might* be able to install via normal console. Me, I always used the serial console for the installation. Gooid luck! -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 10:57:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CF216A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:57:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E143043D1F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:57:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sironside@interfone.net) Received: from [80.229.164.25] (helo=dicto.interfone.net) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvZFD-0005Kp-6j for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:57:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:09:06 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sparc64 Install 5.3 Thread-Index: AcUHdnVgGkLbuVPlQUCljdo7UBpzMwADtIgz From: "Simon Ironside" To: "Torfinn Ingolfsen" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: Sparc64 Install 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0000 You can, I've done it. Use Ctrl-P and Ctrl-N for up and down arrows and concentrate hard ;o) =20 Simon ________________________________ From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org on behalf of Torfinn Ingolfsen Sent: Mon 31/01/2005 09:07 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sparc64 Install 5.3 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:56:13 +0000 Joel Cant wrote: That said, yoy *might* be able to install via normal console. Me, I always used the serial console for the installation. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 12:05:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440E216A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from office.suresupport.com (office.suresupport.com [213.145.98.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1832C43D39 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:05:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nike_d@cytexbg.com) Received: (qmail 17302 invoked by uid 1026); 31 Jan 2005 12:05:40 -0000 Received: from 213.145.98.14 by office.suresupport.com (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23 (f-prot: 4.4.2/3.14.11. Clear:RC:1(213.145.98.14):. Processed in 0.073093 secs); 31 Jan 2005 12:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.145.98.14?) (213.145.98.14) by office.suresupport.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 12:05:40 -0000 Message-ID: <41FE1F58.1050100@cytexbg.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:48 +0200 From: Niki Denev User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050127) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: kernel or syslogd problem under exterme load (many processes and filedescs open) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:05:08 -0000 Hello, Recently while testing a program on a 5.3-STABLE machine with dual Athlon MP 2200+ (SMP enabled), i made a mistake and the program basicaly became a fork() bomb. It flooded my dmesg and messages with these messages (which is normal): Jan 29 18:13:20 tormentor kernel: maxproc limit exceeded by uid 1001, please see tuning(7) and login.conf(5). Jan 29 18:13:25 tormentor kernel: kern.ipc.maxpipekva exceeded; see tuning(7) but i've also noticed several mangled messages in the log, like these : Jan 29 18:08:25 tormentor kernel: kernmaxpr.ipc.maxpipekocva excee limidet exd;ce sedeeed t buninyg( u7)id 1001, please see tuni ng(7) and login.conf(5). Jan 29 18:08:28 tormentor kernel: Probably this is some sort of race condition, either in the kernel output or syslogd? --niki From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 13:58:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB5316A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:58:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wrzx35.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx35.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAC243D3F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:58:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Received: from wrzx30.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx30.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.30]) by wrzx35.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAB9E1037; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from virusscan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrzx30.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A6593163; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by wrzx30.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B54193116; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from coyote.q.local (wwsx14.win-screen.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.253.14]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF22D8433; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (roadrunner.q.local [192.168.0.148]) by coyote.q.local (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VDwOt3069409; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VDwOgI004469; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Received: (from q@localhost) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0VDwNf1004468; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from q@uni.de) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:23 +0100 From: Ulrich Spoerlein To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20050131135823.GD828@galgenberg.net> Mail-Followup-To: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20050130221803.GB2600@galgenberg.net> <76988.1107123877@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bGR76rFJjkSxVeRa" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <76988.1107123877@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (Rechenzentrum Universitaet Wuerzburg) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Size of metadata required for GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:58:26 -0000 --bGR76rFJjkSxVeRa Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3O1VwFp74L81IIeR" Content-Disposition: inline --3O1VwFp74L81IIeR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 30.01.2005 at 23:24:37 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > The amount of metadata in GBDE is pretty straight forward: >=20 > 1. If do not use off-line keyfiles: deduct one sector. >=20 > 2. Deduct the key sectors (1 to 4) >=20 > 3. Find zone size: >=20 > nsect =3D sectorsize / 16 > nzone =3D nsect + 1 >=20 > 4. Find number of zones: >=20 > z =3D remaining_sectors / nzone >=20 > 5. Find usable size: >=20 > size =3D z * nsect >=20 > 6. Find overhead/metadata as: >=20 > total_sectors - size This translates to: overhead =3D sectors - (sectors-4-1)/((sectorsize/16) + 1) * sectorsize/16 So, if I understand that correctly, I need one additional sector every 16 sectors and 5 sectors for the keys (using all the gbde init defaults). What's wrong with the attached program then? It gives wrong results :( % cc -Wall gbde.c -o gbde && ./gbde $((31744*512)) Wanted size: 16252928 bytes in 31744 sectors (blocksize 512) Needed size: 16763392 bytes in 32741 sectors (blocksize 512) This should be 32768 sectors, as can be seen from my earlier mail. Ulrich Spoerlein --=20 PGP Key ID: F0DB9F44 Encrypted mail welcome! Fingerprint: F1CE D062 0CA9 ADE3 349B 2FE8 980A C6B5 F0DB 9F44 Ok, which part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." didn't you understand? --3O1VwFp74L81IIeR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gbde.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable #include #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { int okeysec =3D 1; int nkeysec =3D 4; int sectorsize =3D 512; long long size, wanted_sec, needed_sec; if (argc < 2) exit(1); =20 size =3D atoll(argv[1]); if (argc =3D=3D 3) sectorsize =3D atoi(argv[2]); =20 /* Round up to nearest multiple of sectorsize */ if (size % sectorsize) size +=3D sectorsize - size % sectorsize; wanted_sec =3D size / sectorsize; printf("Wanted size: %lld bytes in %lld sectors (blocksize %d)\n", wanted_sec*sectorsize, wanted_sec, sectorsize); needed_sec =3D wanted_sec + (wanted_sec*16)/sectorsize + okeysec + nkeyse= c; printf("Needed size: %lld bytes in %lld sectors (blocksize %d)\n", needed_sec*sectorsize, needed_sec, sectorsize); return (0); } --3O1VwFp74L81IIeR-- --bGR76rFJjkSxVeRa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/jl/mArGtfDbn0QRAsqDAKDRgFtkiZbS1y4GCDXDXqoAxL1/QgCfZ0mE mh1E2CR9aYgwqVJlulowsWk= =Kq+Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bGR76rFJjkSxVeRa-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 14:50:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C330716A4CE; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:50:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage-one.net (adsl-65-71-135-137.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [65.71.135.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BE943D1F; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:50:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jackstone@sage-one.net) Received: from sagea (sagea.sage-american [10.0.0.3]) by sage-one.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0VEoVbL078283; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:50:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jackstone@sage-one.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20050131085031.00e74780@sage-one.net> X-Sender: jackstone@sage-one.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:50:31 -0600 To: Parv , Anton Berezin , perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <20050130234602.GA8616@holestein.holy.cow> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (sage-one.net [10.0.0.10]); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:50:31 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.321 (sage-one10 [10.0.0.10]); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:50:34 -0600 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-5.90 required=4.50 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:50:36 -0000 At 06:46 PM 1.30.2005 -0500, Parv wrote: >in message <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org>, >wrote Anton Berezin thusly... >> >> Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I >> plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming >> upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). >> This will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT > >I am for it. > >Please do do that. > >Thanks. > - Parv Please don't do it.... If this were a mere vote of the respondents, the NAYs have it by far. Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Administrator SageOne Net http://www.sage-one.net jackstone@sage-one.net From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 15:13:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337B116A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from coldstone.hollensbe.org (hollensbe.org [69.9.134.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2F343D41 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:13:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erik@hollensbe.org) Received: from [10.0.0.16] (68-118-48-185.or.charter.com [68.118.48.185]) (authenticated bits=0)j0VFCmna070496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:13:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erik@hollensbe.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050131120053.1A21B16A4FB@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050131120053.1A21B16A4FB@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <40592c75696cc939aa4af4b59d81fde5@hollensbe.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Hollensbe Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:12:44 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: freebsd-stable Digest, Vol 97, Issue 1 (re: perl changes) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:13:04 -0000 I apologize for the lack of quotes, but since this has dominated the list, I imagine my message will have appropriate context without. I started using perl in v5, and only with rare exception have any of the scripts I've used or written required /usr/local/bin/perl. /usr/bin/perl seems to be the current "standard", regardless of any rules to the contrary. Same goes for a lack of env usage. While it's nice to be idealistic, lets be realistic - FreeBSD's change isn't going to carpet the world overnight, and a simple symlink (which could be defaulted on or off, I would think on would be more reasonable) will solve this problem in a rather cooperative fashion. Those who want purity can turn it off, and the rest of us who really would rather not have purist choice dominate our updates can use the "standard". (That wasn't said to insult, to counter any assumptions.) -Erik From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 15:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C33616A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:17:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from coldstone.hollensbe.org (hollensbe.org [69.9.134.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE5443D39 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erik@hollensbe.org) Received: from [10.0.0.16] (68-118-48-185.or.charter.com [68.118.48.185]) (authenticated bits=0)j0VFH2Lv070502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:17:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erik@hollensbe.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050131120053.1A21B16A4FB@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050131120053.1A21B16A4FB@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Hollensbe Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:16:58 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: freebsd-stable Digest, Vol 97, Issue 1 (re: perl, again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:17:05 -0000 I will also note that this reeks of the "bike shedding" that I hear about so often on these lists. Quibbling about a symlink doesn't make much sense to me, at least. -Erik From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 15:32:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC17116A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB4F43D3F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:32:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alexjeffburke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so699451wra for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:31:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pM01PVtFNnrqRLIxO2ncT3flOtS34+nD5SvMYe2F/FLNzse5IUWoMCrW2if8r2RIV5WBOiSxYC+RkKxmqDopV70N9PmndU16pXLUMdQUxBxmehGrt3+JbI4Ve9G4CVDvk8rrEWt9SbDa3aWzB45F4BAk8g/VW4e+82aXY5egjlE= Received: by 10.54.38.69 with SMTP id l69mr210191wrl; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.53 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:31:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:31:50 +0000 From: Alex Burke To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Burke List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:32:01 -0000 Hi, I wasnt quite sure what to call this problem. I am running FreeBSD 5.3 STABLE on a quad Pentium Pro IBM Netfinity 7000 system, and since the GENERIC kernel does not come SMP enabled I compiled a kernel with SMP support and drivers for networks card and SCSI RAID adapter built into it (not loaded as modules). This build happens fine under the original GENERIC kernel. Afterwards, since that machine is quite powerful and its destined to be a unix server I wanted to compile a kernel for another box I have. I wrote the kernel config file, and started the compilation. At some stage the system crashed, on the console it looked as though it had tried to reboot itself (3 times!) with various messages about CPUs ignoring requests. I dont really understand why under the SMP kernel I compiled the I cannot compile another kernel, but under GENERIC it works fine. I can only think two things, either I have stumbled accross an odd bug or my hardware appears to be working fine on the surface and actually there is something slightly wrong, although this machine ran the GENERIC kernel of 5.2 for a long time without any issues (5.2.1 was SMP enabled from the start I believe). I apologize if I posted this to the wrong list, I just thought as this is related to STABLE this is the right place for it. Thanks in advance, Alex J Burke From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 15:51:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777DE16A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:51:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12F8B43D2F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:51:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO optimator.noacks.org) (noacks@swbell.net@70.240.249.100 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 15:51:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3575861C9; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:51:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 52953-12-2; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:51:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from www.noacks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD4B61AD; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:51:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from 69.53.57.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user noackjr); by www.noacks.org with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:51:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45307.69.53.57.66.1107186660.squirrel@69.53.57.66> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:51:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Jon Noack" To: "Admin @ InterCorner" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at noacks.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel panic on 5.3-STABLE w/ ACPI X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:51:06 -0000 Admin @ InterCorner wrote: > Hi there! > I have sent this message before (Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:11:40 +0100), but > without respons. So I'll try again. > --- > > I have gladly installed FreeBSD5 on my laptop to be free from M$ !! :D > And soon I will install it on my worksation aswell. > > Here is (in my eyes) an unusual boot error. > When I start my laptop everything is fine untill I have to choose how I > want to boot FreeBSD. As a first try I choosed the default option just to > see everything is working with the new kernel. It didn't.. > > I then tryed to boot with ACPI (choise nr 2 at the bootmenu), and > everything started upp nicely. > I normally only want to run with ACPI enabled, so it's not a large problem > for me.. but maby for someone else? > > I have two questions.. > 1: Is there something wrong with my kernelconfig or is it a bug? > 2: How do I change the default boot procedure from "menu nr 1 (without > ACPI)" to "menu nr 2 (with ACPI)"? > > I left some useful information at the bottom of this message. > And here are a webpage that shows some information about my harware: > http://support.packardbell.com/se/mypc/index.php?sernr=105601500123# > > Thanks! > Anders > > The subject and body of your email do not match. The subject says the panic was w/ ACPI, while in the body you say the panic was without. Please try to keep these things in sync... Thanks for the report. If it works, the recommendation is to use ACPI. It is possible you chose to boot without ACPI during the FreeBSD install (possibly safe mode?). I have experienced that this will cause ACPI to be disabled by adding a hint line in /boot/loader.conf (something like 'hint.acpi.0.disabled="1"'). Set this line to "0" or remove it and the default should be to boot with ACPI enabled. Jon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 15:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF0416A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from natco8.natcotech.com (natco8.natcotech.com [205.167.142.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0840643D2F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smartweb@leadhill.net) Received: from localhost (int9.natcotech.com [192.168.1.9]) by natco8.natcotech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3362986BF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:53:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from natco8.natcotech.com ([192.168.1.8]) by localhost (natco9 [192.168.1.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32479-01-12 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:53:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (lhr5-dial-12-28-24-199.natcotech.com [12.28.24.199]) by natco8.natcotech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE98E298677 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:53:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:53:12 -0600 From: Billy Newsom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at natco9.natcotech.com Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:14 -0000 Alex Burke wrote: > Hi, > > I wasnt quite sure what to call this problem. > > I am running FreeBSD 5.3 STABLE on a quad Pentium Pro IBM Netfinity > 7000 system, and since the GENERIC kernel does not come SMP enabled I > compiled a kernel with SMP support and drivers for networks card and > SCSI RAID adapter built into it (not loaded as modules). This build > happens fine under the original GENERIC kernel. > > Afterwards, since that machine is quite powerful and its destined to > be a unix server I wanted to compile a kernel for another box I have. > I wrote the kernel config file, and started the compilation. At some > stage the system crashed, on the console it looked as though it had > tried to reboot itself (3 times!) with various messages about CPUs > ignoring requests. I dont really understand why under the SMP kernel I > compiled the I cannot compile another kernel, but under GENERIC it > works fine. > > I can only think two things, either I have stumbled accross an odd bug > or my hardware appears to be working fine on the surface and actually > there is something slightly wrong, although this machine ran the > GENERIC kernel of 5.2 for a long time without any issues (5.2.1 was > SMP enabled from the start I believe). I wish FreeBSD 5.3 was as stable as the STABLE tree implies it was. My SMP problems are quite numerous on 5.3 so far. I have a similar system to yours, but a dual processor. One thing I see is that as the days have gone by since the original 5.3-Release, the SMP code has had some code changes that have alternately caused crashes or compile-time errors, at least from my point of view. I am beginning to regret using 5.3, but all of the press releases nudged me to believe that 5.3 ws ready for live systems. I have to admit that I had problems with 4.7 and 4.9, but not like the 5.3-STABLE track. I hope all of this doesn't give FreeBSD a bad reputation, although it might earn it if it continues to be so buggy for SMP systems. Having no experience with 5.2, I almost wish I could provide more advice. But perhaps you can get the generic kernel off the CD and boot to it to recompile your kernel. See this as one documented example: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ERRATA/notices/FreeBSD-EN-05:03.ipi.asc My last cvs update was the 30th (yesterday) and it compiled for me using make -j6 buildworld and took 3:38. My kernel build took 1:27. Those are with a working SMP kernel, so the generic kernel would take longer. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 16:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB02016A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D854743D6D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:03:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jearle@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so704843wra for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=L6ZvzhQm1mwUxiTFmONBjILZ1bkgWNzLmceNvd8W6EPwk4JFOWPlVXrzL8Z2NLzLSnRqH0EYqOoA0Iaf2Fu7dbXAZ57GsesUGPt6zIXNFDWGSi782l++1Kirn+Wzzp0nmrwuSl+V/0akhfqY5OJtHBa2BmrHmlM2TKDW1ekUIec= Received: by 10.54.30.36 with SMTP id d36mr68355wrd; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.26.56 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5bbc0cd6050131080320ca0072@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:03:38 +0100 From: Jared Earle To: perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20050131085031.00e74780@sage-one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050130234602.GA8616@holestein.holy.cow> <3.0.1.32.20050131085031.00e74780@sage-one.net> Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jared Earle List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:03:40 -0000 On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:50:31 -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote: > If this were a mere vote of the respondents, the NAYs have it by far. I like change. Change is good and it keeps us on our toes. However, some things should not be changed for the sake of change. If /usr/bin/perl were no longer there, people would rather stick with an older version of BSD than change all their scripts and the scripts of their hosted clients. If we're voting, I vote nay. -- Jared Earle :: http://www.23x.net jearle@gmail.com :: There is no SPORK From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 16:15:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9341B16A4CF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jthome.jthome.com (jthome.com [206.169.187.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F41E43D69 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:15:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@jthome.jthome.com) Received: from jthome.jthome.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jthome.jthome.com (8.12.8p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id j0VGEtGn042001 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeff@jthome.jthome.com) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by jthome.jthome.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VGEtns042000 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:14:55 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Tyler Message-Id: <200501311614.j0VGEtns042000@jthome.jthome.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:14:55 -0700 (MST) Organization: JT's home for unwed hackers Phone: (520)-366-0415 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-jthome.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact JT for more information X-jthome.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jeff@jthome.jthome.com Subject: discard device on FBSD 5.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jeff@jthome.jthome.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:15:00 -0000 Can anyone out there in radio land tell me how to create/enable the discard socket in FBSD 5.2.1 ? Editing inetd.conf doesn't seem to do it any longer. I have a number of 4.8 machines running with working discard sockets but there seems to have been a sea change in 5.x . Does the disc device play in here some how ? Need it for net testing with tcpblast. I have searched fbsd.org and googled to no avail... TIA ! ... JT -- =================================================================== |Jeffrey S. Tyler CISSP Journeyman Sysadmin | | TANSTAAFL ! (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch) | | Robert Heinlein | =================================================================== From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 17:29:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5239316A4CF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:29:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sv07e.atm-tzs.kmjeuro.com (sv07e.atm-tzs.kmjeuro.com [193.81.94.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5D643D2D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:29:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from k.joch@ctseuro.com) Received: from sv03 (adsl.sbg.kmjeuro.com [62.99.198.46]) (authenticated bits=0)j0VHT2dW016175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:29:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from k.joch@ctseuro.com) From: "Karl M. Joch" To: "'Max Laier'" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:28:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUHuldbZ0eALtJvRt+P1p+2dRoATQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200501302233.57945.max@love2party.net> X-CTS-CTSTZS-Mailserver-Information: please visit www.ctseuro.com for further instructions. Protected by www.ctseuro.com X-CTS-CTSTZS-Mailserver: Found to be clean X-CTS-CTSTZS-Mailserver-From: k.joch@ctseuro.com cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: AW: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:29:13 -0000 =20 Hello Max, your patch works like a charme. One of my guys tested it on 2 boxes and = it works now like it worked before. Speed is great again and we think about installing it on 2 production boxes where customers really have = problems. Is it save to patch production boxes with it? Many thanks, Keal > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Max Laier [mailto:max@love2party.net]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. J=E4nner 2005 22:34 > An: isak@isak.is > Cc: Karl M. Joch; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Betreff: Re: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > can you try the attached patch (relative to RELENG_5). It=20 > disables batch=20 > transfers from the system queue to the driver - an=20 > optimization introduced=20 > while enabling rl(4) for ALTQ. Please let me know if it improves the=20 > situation. If it does, this is a sign of a more fundamental=20 > problem in the=20 > driver locking (or the card timing) and needs further evaluation. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > On Sunday 30 January 2005 22:12, =CDsak Ben. wrote: > > I had a similar problem on a few boxes, you should check=20 > the mailing list > > archives for a recent discussion on how crappy the realtec=20 > nic's are. > > > > > > -- > > =CDsak Ben, > > http://www.isak.is > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: "Karl M. Joch" > > To: > > Sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:57 +0100 > > Subject: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 > > > > > hello, > > > > > > after upgrading to 5.3 (cvsup) i have a lot of network=20 > problems with > > > realtec 8139 cards. these cards worked fine with 4.x and=20 > 5.2.1. the > > > network is slowing down heavily without seeing any=20 > problems reports on > > > console or syslog (*.* logged). are there any known=20 > problems with these > > > card and 5.3? this happens on different servers updated=20 > since the last 2 > > > weeks. > > > > > > many thanks, > > > > > > karl >=20 > --=20 > /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org > \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 > X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet > / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News >=20 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 17:56:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00DD16A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:56:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB1043D41 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:56:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0VHwfl8022673; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:58:41 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0/Submit) id j0VHwf7K022672; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:58:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:58:40 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Jeff Tyler Message-ID: <20050131175840.GE930@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200501311614.j0VGEtns042000@jthome.jthome.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501311614.j0VGEtns042000@jthome.jthome.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: discard device on FBSD 5.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:56:36 -0000 --d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:14:55AM -0700, Jeff Tyler wrote: > Can anyone out there in radio land tell me how to create/enable the disca= rd > socket in FBSD 5.2.1 ? Editing inetd.conf doesn't seem to do it any > longer. I have a number of 4.8 machines running with working discard > sockets but there seems to have been a sea change in 5.x . Does the disc > device play in here some how ? Need it for net testing with tcpblast. >=20 > I have searched fbsd.org and googled to no avail... The disc device like most other pseudo devices now uses interface cloning to manage instances. You can create on on demand with "ifconfig disc create" or add disc0 to cloned_interfaces in rc.conf. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB/nHQXY6L6fI4GtQRAgWRAJ9l7rTf4LCCSxq29P2TjQ42/GralwCggVK+ WS+g5uOByX34X2mmkh5P4yw= =e9By -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 17:56:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AE916A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:56:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4442A43D55 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:56:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CvfnA-0005y5-00; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:56:52 +0100 Received: from [217.83.9.81] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cvfn9-0002m9-00; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:56:51 +0100 From: Max Laier To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:56:41 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1763520.GlGgImajuZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501311856.48368.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: "Karl M. Joch" Subject: Re: AW: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:56:54 -0000 --nextPart1763520.GlGgImajuZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Karl, On Monday 31 January 2005 18:28, Karl M. Joch wrote: > your patch works like a charme. One of my guys tested it on 2 boxes and it I was afraid it would :-\ > works now like it worked before. Speed is great again and we think about > installing it on 2 production boxes where customers really have problems. > Is it save to patch production boxes with it? Well, the fact that this patch makes the symptom go away indicates that the= re=20 is some more fundamental problem hiding somewhere in the driver/hardware th= at=20 should get fixed all the way. It is, however, a valid workaround until the= =20 real problem is identified. Can you please submit a PR with the information in this thread? I will loo= k=20 into the driver some more and commit the workaround if I fail to find the=20 real cause soon. EVERYBODY: Could you please check if you have a rl(4) driven NIC and check = if=20 you experienced a speed degradation as well. Please let me know either way= =20 with information about the chipset on your NIC. Thanks! > Many thanks, > > Keal > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Max Laier [mailto:max@love2party.net] > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. J=E4nner 2005 22:34 > > An: isak@isak.is > > Cc: Karl M. Joch; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > Betreff: Re: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 > > > > Hi, > > > > can you try the attached patch (relative to RELENG_5). It > > disables batch > > transfers from the system queue to the driver - an > > optimization introduced > > while enabling rl(4) for ALTQ. Please let me know if it improves the > > situation. If it does, this is a sign of a more fundamental > > problem in the > > driver locking (or the card timing) and needs further evaluation. > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Sunday 30 January 2005 22:12, =CDsak Ben. wrote: > > > I had a similar problem on a few boxes, you should check > > > > the mailing list > > > > > archives for a recent discussion on how crappy the realtec > > > > nic's are. > > > > > -- > > > =CDsak Ben, > > > http://www.isak.is > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > > From: "Karl M. Joch" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:57 +0100 > > > Subject: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > after upgrading to 5.3 (cvsup) i have a lot of network > > > > problems with > > > > > > realtec 8139 cards. these cards worked fine with 4.x and > > > > 5.2.1. the > > > > > > network is slowing down heavily without seeing any > > > > problems reports on > > > > > > console or syslog (*.* logged). are there any known > > > > problems with these > > > > > > card and 5.3? this happens on different servers updated > > > > since the last 2 > > > > > > weeks. > > > > > > > > many thanks, > > > > > > > > karl > > > > -- > > /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org > > \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 > > X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet > > / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --nextPart1763520.GlGgImajuZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBB/nFgXyyEoT62BG0RAj2HAJ0eNiz2H0jE+f5+mQd1yBRIl3d+BwCcDSw1 eYg4ebPHcYm1ViLme2m933k= =QDkX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1763520.GlGgImajuZ-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 17:58:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC4516A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:58:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp08.web.de (smtp08.web.de [217.72.192.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5244543D49 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:58:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nakal@web.de) Received: from [217.81.244.240] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.103 #192) id 1CvfoS-0003xU-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:58:12 +0100 From: Martin To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:58:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1107194288.801.13.camel@klotz.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nakal@web.de X-Sender: nakal@web.de Subject: Interrupt load high after 73 minutes uptime with ath(4) hostap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:58:16 -0000 I'm running: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Mon Jan 31 00:54:51 CET 2005 i386 The card is (Netgear WG311T): ath0: mem 0xe7000000-0xe700ffff irq 9 at device 15.0 on pci0 After about 73 minutes uptime my PC is busy processing interrupts. Top shows 90% in IRQ. Everything is slowed down. Earlier kernels showed same effect. When the problem appears, I start "ifconfig ath0 down" then "ifconfig ath0 up" and everything is ok again for a certain period of time. Further info: IRQ 9 is being shared with ACPI (I tried to turn off ACPI, no effect). Earlier it was shared with my VGA-card, but showed exactly the same symptoms. The high interrupt load is not being reported like e.g. an interrupt storm on lpt. The system is simply slowed down. Martin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 18:13:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFA616A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:13:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuego.fadesa.es (fuego.fadesa.es [195.55.55.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A884343D1F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:13:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd4@fadesa.es) Received: (from root@localhost) by fuego.fadesa.es (8.9.3p2/8.8.8) id TAA09151 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:14:51 +0100 Received: from tierra.fadesa.es(195.55.55.7) by fuego.fadesa.es Mon, 31 Jan 05 19:14:27 +0100 Received: from fadesa.es (filemon.fadesa.es [195.55.55.6] (may be forged)) by tierra.fadesa.es (8.9.3p2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA30830 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:12:52 +0100 Sender: fan@fadesa.es Message-ID: <41FE7524.7E907BE@fadesa.es> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:12:52 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= M. =?iso-8859-15?Q?Fandi=F1o?=" Organization: Inmobiliaria FADESA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.27-ow1 i686) X-Accept-Language: gl, en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Logged: Logged by tierra.fadesa.es as TAA30830 at Mon Jan 31 19:12:52 2005 Subject: 50% of packets lost only on local interfaces X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd4@fadesa.es List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:13:30 -0000 Hello, It sounds weird but tcp/ip traffic directed to _local_ interfaces, and only _local_ interfaces, always cause 50% of packets lost. Of course there isn't packet filters activated. I'm running -stable (the last update was this past weekend) There is another report like this: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/72022 but the suggested solution doesn't works in my case. ping to local interfaces get replies for 50% of the packets: > ping -c 512 127.0.0.1 [snip] --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- 512 packets transmitted, 257 packets received, 49% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.046/0.049/0.077/0.004 ms > ping -c 512 10.20.30.2 [snip] --- 10.20.30.2 ping statistics --- 512 packets transmitted, 254 packets received, 50% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.017/0.049/0.071/0.004 ms Also running tcpdump on localhost shows as the kernel stop from responding to packets without an apparent motive. > tcpdump -n -i lo0 tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on lo0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 bytes [snip] 17:58:15.516451 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 76 17:58:15.516476 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo reply seq 76 17:58:16.517321 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 77 17:58:16.517347 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo reply seq 77 17:58:17.518158 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 78 17:58:18.519042 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 79 17:58:19.519853 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 80 17:58:20.520698 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 81 17:58:21.521548 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 82 17:58:22.522392 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 83 more tests, to the lan router: > ping -c 500 10.20.30.6 [snip] --- 10.20.30.6 ping statistics --- 500 packets transmitted, 500 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.565/2.015/40.189/2.385 ms from the lan router: Router#ping Protocol [ip]: Target IP address: 10.20.30.2 Repeat count [5]: 500 Datagram size [100]: Timeout in seconds [2]: Extended commands [n]: Sweep range of sizes [n]: Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 500, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.20.30.2, timeout is 2 seconds: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! Success rate is 99 percent (498/500), round-trip min/avg/max = 1/2/12 ms I don't find any explanation for this, but I'd like to know if there is any solution? Thank you. I put the whole test (dmesg, make.conf, etc)in this URL so you can see all numbers. http://195.55.55.164/tests/FreeBSD/report.txt -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d- s+:+() a- C+++ UBL+++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N+ o++ K- w--- O+ M+ V- PS+ PE+ Y++ PGP+>+++ t+ 5 X+$ R- tv-- b+++ DI D++>+++ G++ e- h+(++) !r !z ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 18:17:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA4916A4D8 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:17:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542C743D48 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Juergen.Dankoweit@t-online.de) Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Cvg6g-0003o8-03; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:17:02 +0100 Received: from mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (XHM3DsZ1ZeTiuxPh8jUu47GEiBJEQy-Qb4gJB09rb7bqUZZLvsjoZe@[217.235.238.36]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cvg6R-2EcIYC0; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:16:47 +0100 Received: from localhost.juergendankoweit.net (localhost.juergendankoweit.net [127.0.0.1]) by mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACD733E81 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:16:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (localhost.juergendankoweit.net [127.0.0.1])06666-6C7BEA41; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:16:49 +0100 Received: from primergy470.juergendankoweit.net (primergy470.juergendankoweit.net [192.168.1.1]) by mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE6E33E78 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:16:49 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen.Dankoweit@t-online.de (Juergen Dankoweit) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> References: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-4ZtwPQxGkLvJV/SpGYAG" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:16:48 +0100 Message-Id: <1107195408.4479.41.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.0.2-9; AVE: 6.29.0.8; VDF: 6.29.0.90; host: primergy470.juergendankoweit.net) X-ID: XHM3DsZ1ZeTiuxPh8jUu47GEiBJEQy-Qb4gJB09rb7bqUZZLvsjoZe X-TOI-MSGID: 1a6c0d3b-4824-432e-a8d1-7d025aebf18f Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:17:07 -0000 --=-4ZtwPQxGkLvJV/SpGYAG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Am Montag, den 31.01.2005, 09:53 -0600 schrieb Billy Newsom: > Alex Burke wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I wasnt quite sure what to call this problem. > >=20 > > I am running FreeBSD 5.3 STABLE on a quad Pentium Pro IBM Netfinity > > 7000 system, and since the GENERIC kernel does not come SMP enabled I > > compiled a kernel with SMP support and drivers for networks card and > > SCSI RAID adapter built into it (not loaded as modules). This build > > happens fine under the original GENERIC kernel. > >=20 > My last cvs update was the 30th (yesterday) and it compiled for me using > make -j6 buildworld and took 3:38. My kernel build took 1:27. Those are= =20 > with a working SMP kernel, so the generic kernel would take longer. In a german documenation I have read that the "-j"-switch should not be used because I makes trouble especially on SMP-systems. I don't have the source for this anymore. I think it was described in a german BSD-forum. Best regards J=C3=BCrgen --=-4ZtwPQxGkLvJV/SpGYAG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQEVAwUAQf52ENB4AK2vHLoFAQIZDAgAqDzgj+FWt7UOm1BZFFGTElvMpfFlzPfr w1wFEOGn/65BEeH7ojZiVtB71kMeWh0ey+2cPTGKFgpjhRyeQAtJHJT/KC0NUG7X Anll0Jn6ri1opHw7AO0jXWBS4sOXfPykub+RE3gwi5eNzz5WlLRfCJYWQXjRZ30T lLnzv8F8jH8sgjE7Q9msEH2TbzFMPL4uxr4EQYJEPMKl2SpuIdtRHzrcz50ydb/c E4VNVDcxHVZX2T8h0RLYynYIbDOIaDniGDkkKqgivF7ahHvB6cDpsjSOlCOVvIEZ 2c1aVCbRgFTR41NCt0XC8yw/s15H0PxISP4w2PcJ/YAzu9/CuLYw9Q== =BoQ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-4ZtwPQxGkLvJV/SpGYAG-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 18:23:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF7916A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:23:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [66.127.85.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C1243D2D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:23:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from [66.127.85.91] (sam@[66.127.85.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0VINFWi048821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Message-ID: <41FE77B6.2010203@errno.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:23:50 -0800 From: Sam Leffler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin References: <1107194288.801.13.camel@klotz.local> In-Reply-To: <1107194288.801.13.camel@klotz.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interrupt load high after 73 minutes uptime with ath(4) hostap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:23:16 -0000 Martin wrote: > I'm running: > FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Mon Jan 31 00:54:51 CET 2005 > i386 > > The card is (Netgear WG311T): > ath0: mem 0xe7000000-0xe700ffff irq 9 at device 15.0 on > pci0 > > After about 73 minutes uptime my PC is busy processing interrupts. > Top shows 90% in IRQ. Everything is slowed down. Earlier kernels > showed same effect. > > When the problem appears, I start "ifconfig ath0 down" then > "ifconfig ath0 up" and everything is ok again for a certain > period of time. > > Further info: > IRQ 9 is being shared with ACPI (I tried to turn off ACPI, no effect). > Earlier it was shared with my VGA-card, but showed exactly the same > symptoms. > > The high interrupt load is not being reported like e.g. an interrupt > storm on lpt. The system is simply slowed down. This is a known problem in the ath driver in stable that should be fixed in current. I expect you are operating 11g. Unfortunately backporting the necessary changes is very hard and not something I intend to do. Sam From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 18:36:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37E16A4D1 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:36:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155FD43D49 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:36:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 11B6F5145E; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:36:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:36:12 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Juergen Dankoweit Message-ID: <20050131183612.GA81428@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> <1107195408.4479.41.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1107195408.4479.41.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:36:14 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 07:16:48PM +0100, Juergen Dankoweit wrote: > In a german documenation I have read that the "-j"-switch should not be > used because I makes trouble especially on SMP-systems. This is incorrect. Kris --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/nqcWry0BWjoQKURAj4mAJ9oNiS65d6S/ogq4GsfE08WDdvS1gCfQHM2 JywU9zZ0NgDwkflg/ooJtWA= =lCXV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 18:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B10216A4D0 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:38:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE8343D39 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:38:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 01D39514F6; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:38:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:38:12 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Billy Newsom Message-ID: <20050131183812.GB81428@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:38:14 -0000 --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:53:12AM -0600, Billy Newsom wrote: > I have a similar system to yours, but a dual processor. One thing I see = is=20 > that as the days have gone by since the original 5.3-Release, the SMP cod= e=20 > has had some code changes that have alternately caused crashes or=20 > compile-time errors, at least from my point of view. I am beginning to= =20 > regret using 5.3, but all of the press releases nudged me to believe that= =20 > 5.3 ws ready for live systems. I have to admit that I had problems with= =20 > 4.7 and 4.9, but not like the 5.3-STABLE track. I hope all of this doesn= 't=20 > give FreeBSD a bad reputation, although it might earn it if it continues = to=20 > be so buggy for SMP systems. Having no experience with 5.2, I almost wis= h=20 > I could provide more advice. But perhaps you can get the generic kernel= =20 > off the CD and boot to it to recompile your kernel. >=20 > See this as one documented example: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ERRATA/notices/FreeBSD-EN-05:03.ipi.asc Err, that's a *fix* to the SMP code, not breakage introduced after 5.3-RELEASE as you claimed above. If you are seeing panics, you must submit appropriate bug reports (see the developers' handbook chapter on kernel debugging), or no-one can possibly help you. Kris --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/nsUWry0BWjoQKURApaWAKDp8kYfYsPYXQp5iWfBaYnW6vPkzQCgrBj/ 448RR4rMY7PBwEoRVQN1Arw= =X1uc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 20:40:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D429116A4CF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:40:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp06.web.de (smtp06.web.de [217.72.192.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636F243D55 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nakal@web.de) Received: from [217.81.244.240] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp06.web.de with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.103 #192) id 1CviKq-0002zB-00; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:39:48 +0100 From: Martin To: Sam Leffler In-Reply-To: <41FE77B6.2010203@errno.com> References: <1107194288.801.13.camel@klotz.local> <41FE77B6.2010203@errno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:39:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1107203986.1489.20.camel@klotz.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nakal@web.de X-Sender: nakal@web.de cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interrupt load high after 73 minutes uptime with ath(4) hostap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:40:08 -0000 Am Montag, den 31.01.2005, 10:23 -0800 schrieb Sam Leffler: > This is a known problem in the ath driver in stable that should be fixed > in current. I expect you are operating 11g. Unfortunately backporting > the necessary changes is very hard and not something I intend to do. I've configured my card like this: ifconfig_ath0="inet xx.xx.xx.xx netmask xx.xx.xx.xx ssid XXX channel 6 mode 11b media DS/11Mbps mediaopt hostap powersavesleep 1 wepmode on wepkey blah" Small question: I don't know why, but a low "powersavesleep" enhances my WLAN power. This is the only way I manage to establish a connection from 1 meter distance (at 30-40%). Default 1000 will not work at all. Btw, Is it important to set sysctl hw.ath.countrycode? Where do I find a table of valid codes? (But this is not a FreeBSD issue, in my opinion. MS-Windows seems to have problems with the connectivity, too, even after selecting the proper country. We don't have any other wireless networks here. Earlier, I've had a second wireless card with wi-chipset which had same problems with connectivity in this area.) Because of the problem described above, 11g does not work at all, even with lower speeds than the one currently used. Martin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 21:33:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B852416A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:33:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3C843D1D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:33:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrei@kableu.com) Received: from h-66-167-205-162.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([66.167.205.162] helo=mail.kableu.com) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CvjB3-0002fO-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:33:45 -0800 Received: from warrior.kableu.com (warrior.kableu.com [192.168.0.1]) by mail.kableu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB74C0DB for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by warrior.kableu.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 87DA511444; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:33:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:33:44 -0800 From: Andrew Konstantinov To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050131213344.GA46360@warrior.kableu.com> References: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: 5.3 -> 5 : sshd multiple log entries & login_getclass: unknown class 'root' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:33:45 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 12:43:59AM -0800, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: >=20 > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail last message repeated 3 times > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.= 0.1 port 60094 ssh2 > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[698]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.= 0.1 port 60094 ssh2 > Jan 29 15:32:15 mail sshd[836]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' > Jan 29 15:32:15 mail last message repeated 3 times > Jan 29 15:32:15 mail sshd[836]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.= 0.1 port 53837 ssh2 > Jan 29 15:32:15 mail sshd[835]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.= 0.1 port 53837 ssh2 > Jan 29 16:40:16 mail sshd[1034]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' > Jan 29 16:40:16 mail last message repeated 3 times > Jan 29 16:40:16 mail sshd[1034]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168= .0.1 port 54714 ssh2 > Jan 29 16:40:16 mail sshd[1033]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168= .0.1 port 54714 ssh2 > Jan 29 17:10:27 mail sshd[1125]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' > Jan 29 17:10:27 mail last message repeated 3 times > Jan 29 17:10:27 mail sshd[1125]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168= .0.1 port 54337 ssh2 > Jan 29 17:10:27 mail sshd[1124]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168= .0.1 port 54337 ssh2 Silence... Does that mean that reading auth.log is out of fashion now or th= at nobody has seen anything similar in RELENG_5 systems? Could someone either confirm or disprove the existence of those two bugs before I file a PR? Thanks in advance, Andrew --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/qQ4g+6MtxSjexcRAsXYAJ9AvFnCDyx+OpixQol1h58hT5C+5wCgwh/7 H7AGieKlh7XaqOEM6rMeurY= =GYwn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 22:01:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A801816A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:01:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8979A43D45 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:01:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alexjeffburke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so765848wra for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IrPDNgA85GEJcjdvFia0uk9P2NfVt+1b61Qssu9c+cLYmIFoQfPIZllGvsUdwT9kZeTfI0KsdRJO9eTkWGnfw5Xcj0VFKeD1f0hfsfdKEtEheFOXhs0Fzva76VQgdRZdxJmytB/UsLBcshOWhFYO7DVR7W6omcl3mulktXeK8MM= Received: by 10.54.51.61 with SMTP id y61mr38073wry; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.53 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:00:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:00:54 +0000 From: Alex Burke To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Burke List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:01:30 -0000 Hi, I have some further information that might be of some use, and also points me to a cause of this bug. I saw the following information on the system console when I looked at the screen before rebooting th machine: Cannot dump. No dump device defined. Automatic reboot in 15s - press any key to abort Rebooting... cpu_reset called on cpu#0 cpu_reset: stopping all other CPUs panic: APIC: Previous IPI is stuck cpuid=0 boot() called on cpu#0 Uptime@: 21h2m31s Cannot dump. No dump device defined. Automatic reboot in 15s - press any key to abort Rebooting... cpu_reset called on cpu#0 cpu_reset: stopping all other CPUs panic: APIC: Previous IPI is stuck The fix mentioned earlier in this thread (ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ERRATA/notices/FreeBSD-EN-05:03.ipi.asc) talks about IPI and says under heavy load a kernel panic was caused...I guess building a kernel was a heavy enough load and I think this panic is what is occuring. I will try patching my sources with CVSup and recompiling the kernel. Thanks for all your help, Alex J Burke. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 22:03:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618F516A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:03:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38A743D1F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:03:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alexjeffburke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so766286wra for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:03:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=re1pVv0vse0yrRtly0IVkxLaEKkRBG3lgOzDLzNTPm54LY8hEwX0ab3it41hVY7J0wJZjcslc4sCoaiS2WlniVu9ckHzBuVTB9pAsjwdkayIg3a1jJ2hZNZIQ2qkbUhTkgLOrN4kKgwy2zb18WVvfClDQih7dqtwpjTPtE/oD5w= Received: by 10.54.52.45 with SMTP id z45mr17182wrz; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.53 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:00:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:00:54 +0000 From: Alex Burke To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Burke List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:03:46 -0000 Hi, I have some further information that might be of some use, and also points me to a cause of this bug. I saw the following information on the system console when I looked at the screen before rebooting th machine: Cannot dump. No dump device defined. Automatic reboot in 15s - press any key to abort Rebooting... cpu_reset called on cpu#0 cpu_reset: stopping all other CPUs panic: APIC: Previous IPI is stuck cpuid=0 boot() called on cpu#0 Uptime@: 21h2m31s Cannot dump. No dump device defined. Automatic reboot in 15s - press any key to abort Rebooting... cpu_reset called on cpu#0 cpu_reset: stopping all other CPUs panic: APIC: Previous IPI is stuck The fix mentioned earlier in this thread (ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ERRATA/notices/FreeBSD-EN-05:03.ipi.asc) talks about IPI and says under heavy load a kernel panic was caused...I guess building a kernel was a heavy enough load and I think this panic is what is occuring. I will try patching my sources with CVSup and recompiling the kernel. Thanks for all your help, Alex J Burke. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 22:49:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEFC16A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2314F43D2F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:49:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1521272DD4; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1087E72DCB; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:49:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:49:09 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Andrew Konstantinov In-Reply-To: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> Message-ID: <20050131144706.A10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3 -> 5 : sshd multiple log entries & login_getclass: unknown class 'root' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:49:09 -0000 Be aware that it was a weekend in the US yesterday so the people likely to answer your question were probably out having fun, which is why you didn't get an answer in 24 hours. Paitience, grasshopper. :) On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: > Hello, > > As the topic says, I've experienced some unusual sshd behavior after I moved > some of my systems from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5 recently. The unusuality of the > behavior is illustrated by the following exerpt from the /var/log/auth.log on > the RELENG_5 system: > > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' I can't reproduce this on my systems, many of which started at 5.3 and now build 5-stable. Are you using the system ssh or one you built from ports? What is the output of 'ls -l /etc/login.conf*'? -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 22:54:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298C016A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B24143D5A for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:54:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 00C2272DD4; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBE472DCB; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:54:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:54:28 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: "Jim C. Nasby" In-Reply-To: <20050130232606.GU64304@decibel.org> Message-ID: <20050131145349.U10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <20050130232606.GU64304@decibel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with mailing lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:54:29 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > I've been trying to change my email address from jim@nasby.net to > decibel@decibel.org on all my subscriptions at freebsd.org, but the > Change globally option isn't working. It may be sending a change confirmation to the old address. If that address is no longer reachable you might want to contact postmaster@freebsd.org to hack it for you. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 23:04:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BCF16A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [66.143.173.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A01543D5E for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:04:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from decibel@decibel.org) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 25A101C910; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:04:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:04:45 -0600 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: Doug White Message-ID: <20050131230445.GA64304@decibel.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Jim C. Nasby" , Doug White , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20050130232606.GU64304@decibel.org> <20050131145349.U10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050131145349.U10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p3 i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with mailing lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:04:52 -0000 First, my apologies for sending this to -stable. It's not what I meant to do. Both addresses are still active, and someone's looking into it for me. On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:54:28PM -0800, Doug White wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > > > I've been trying to change my email address from jim@nasby.net to > > decibel@decibel.org on all my subscriptions at freebsd.org, but the > > Change globally option isn't working. > > It may be sending a change confirmation to the old address. If that > address is no longer reachable you might want to contact > postmaster@freebsd.org to hack it for you. > > -- > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org > -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Consultant decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 01:20:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25BD16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8458143D31 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:20:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrei@kableu.com) Received: from h-66-167-205-162.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([66.167.205.162] helo=mail.kableu.com) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cvmiu-0000G3-00; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:20:57 -0800 Received: from warrior.kableu.com (warrior.kableu.com [192.168.0.1]) by mail.kableu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9399C0DB; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by warrior.kableu.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4563911444; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:20:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:20:56 -0800 From: Andrew Konstantinov To: Doug White Message-ID: <20050201012056.GA47334@warrior.kableu.com> References: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> <20050131144706.A10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050131144706.A10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3 -> 5 : sshd multiple log entries & login_getclass: unknown class 'root' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:20:58 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:49:09PM -0800, Doug White wrote: > Be aware that it was a weekend in the US yesterday so the people likely to > answer your question were probably out having fun, which is why you didn't > get an answer in 24 hours. Paitience, grasshopper. :) >=20 > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: >=20 > > Hello, > > > > As the topic says, I've experienced some unusual sshd behavior after I = moved > > some of my systems from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5 recently. The unusuality= of the > > behavior is illustrated by the following exerpt from the /var/log/auth.= log on > > the RELENG_5 system: > > > > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' >=20 > I can't reproduce this on my systems, many of which started at 5.3 and now > build 5-stable. Are you using the system ssh or one you built from ports? >=20 > What is the output of 'ls -l /etc/login.conf*'? mail# uname -rs FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE mail# date Mon Jan 31 16:53:00 PST 2005 mail# ls -l /etc/login.conf* -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6522 Jan 29 14:09 /etc/login.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 65536 Jan 29 14:09 /etc/login.conf.db mail# grep -A 3 -E '^root' /etc/login.conf root:\ :ignorenologin:\ :tc=3Ddefault: mail# tail -4 /var/log/auth.log Jan 31 16:52:59 mail sshd[14262]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jan 31 16:52:59 mail last message repeated 3 times Jan 31 16:52:59 mail sshd[14262]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.= 0.1 port 59976 ssh2 Jan 31 16:52:59 mail sshd[14261]: Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.= 0.1 port 59976 ssh2 mail# I'm using the system supplied ssh client and server. All of this is really confusing to me. Three of my systems were initially running 5.2.1, then were upgraded to 5.3 release and then followed the vector of p1, p2, p3, p4, and= p5 updates. But, a few days ago I moved all of them to RELENG_5 and this weird= ness came up. The most interesting part is that when I downgrade back to RELENG_= 5_3, all of this disappears. Here is what happens to sshd in debug mode: mail# sshd -ddd debug2: read_server_config: filename /etc/ssh/sshd_config debug1: sshd version OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 FreeBSD-20040419 [...] debug3: mm_request_receive entering debug3: monitor_read: checking request 22 debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct debug3: mm_answer_keyverify: key 0x80789b0 signature verified debug3: mm_request_send entering: type 23 Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0.1 port 63791 ssh2 debug1: monitor_child_preauth: root has been authenticated by privileged pr= ocess debug3: mm_get_keystate: Waiting for new keys debug3: mm_request_receive_expect entering: type 24 debug3: mm_request_receive entering debug2: userauth_pubkey: authenticated 1 pkalg ssh-dss Accepted publickey for root from 192.168.0.1 port 63791 ssh2 debug3: mm_send_keystate: Sending new keys: 0x8079500 0x80794c0 debug3: mm_newkeys_to_blob: converting 0x8079500 debug3: mm_newkeys_to_blob: converting 0x80794c0 debug3: mm_send_keystate: New keys have been sent debug3: mm_send_keystate: Sending compression state debug3: mm_request_send entering: type 24 debug3: mm_send_keystate: Finished sending state [...] Here is my make.conf on this particular system: mail# grep -v '^#' /etc/make.conf CFLAGS=3D -O -pipe COPTFLAGS=3D -O -pipe CPUTYPE=3D p2 KERNCONF=3D CUSTOM MAKE_IDEA=3D YES NOATM=3D true NOGAMES=3D true NO_BLUETOOTH=3D true NO_FORTRAN=3D true NO_I4B=3D true NO_PF=3D true NO_AUTHPF=3D true NO_IPFILTER=3D true NO_KERBEROS=3D true NO_LPR=3D true NO_NIS=3D true NO_SENDMAIL=3D true PPP_NOSUID=3D true PRINTERDEVICE=3D ascii WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=3D true X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=3Dxorg PERL_VER=3D5.8.5 PERL_VERSION=3D5.8.5 PERL_ARCH=3Dmach NOPERL=3Dyo NO_PERL=3Dyo NO_PERL_WRAPPER=3Dyo mail# In case if it matters, root accounts on those servers do not use passwords = for authentication. The authentication is done solely by public/private ssh key= s. mail# grep root /etc/master.passwd | head -1 root:*:0:0::0:0:Andrew Konstantinov:/root:/bin/csh mail# mount | head -1 /dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local, read-only) mail# sysctl kern.securelevel kern.securelevel: 2 mail# I suppose the kernel config file should not be necessary. :) Any ideas at a= ll? Thanks in advance, Andrew --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/tl4g+6MtxSjexcRAoV9AJ9AuJ7EHVZPF8HDZWWsulO7A6zcswCeL2at 4n8YArZLdA6CHRKMlVuD5rA= =XJi4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 02:14:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DD816A4CE; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8056A43D46; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:14:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.65.223]) by mta9.adelphia.netESMTP <20050201021455.EQXP28705.mta9.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:14:55 -0500 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49EBEB4F5; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:15:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:15:05 -0500 From: Parv To: "Jack L. Stone" Message-ID: <20050201021504.GA2625@holestein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: "Jack L. Stone" , Anton Berezin , perl@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <3.0.1.32.20050131085031.00e74780@sage-one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20050131085031.00e74780@sage-one.net> cc: perl@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org cc: Anton Berezin Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:14:58 -0000 in message <3.0.1.32.20050131085031.00e74780@sage-one.net>, wrote Jack L. Stone thusly... > > At 06:46 PM 1.30.2005 -0500, Parv wrote: > >in message <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org>, > >wrote Anton Berezin thusly... > >> > >> Unless I hear too many cries "don't do that" (with justification), I > >> plan to not create any perl symlinks in /usr/bin in the forthcoming > >> upgrade of both lang/perl5.8 (to 5.8.6) and lang/perl5 (to 5.6.2). > >> This will ONLY be true for FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD CURRENT > > > >I am for it. > > > >Please do do that. > > > >Thanks. > > Please don't do it.... > > If this were a mere vote of the respondents, the NAYs have it by > far. Don't worry Anton has already stated, at least once, that the link(s) will live (and even more may be added) before i could have influenced him (fat chance given a large number of negative responses reached him before my sole positive reply). - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 03:15:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E37A16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:15:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from stephanie.unixdaemons.com (stephanie.unixdaemons.com [67.18.111.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AF043D3F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:15:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bmilekic@technokratis.com) Received: from stephanie.unixdaemons.com (bmilekic@localhost.unixdaemons.com [127.0.0.1])j113F9t2032729; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bmilekic@localhost) by stephanie.unixdaemons.com (8.13.2/8.12.1/Submit) id j113F9eu032728; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:15:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bmilekic@technokratis.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stephanie.unixdaemons.com: bmilekic set sender to bmilekic@technokratis.com using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:15:09 -0500 From: Bosko Milekic To: Chris Message-ID: <20050201031509.GA32624@technokratis.com> References: <3aaaa3a0501060612502ce616@mail.gmail.com> <20050106223854.GA97444@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a0501081243395726d2@mail.gmail.com> <20050121175219.GA9829@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a050121124314b6d041@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a050121124314b6d041@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mbufs on 5.3-STABLE possible bug X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:15:14 -0000 Can you please give an update? -Bosko On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 08:43:10PM +0000, Chris wrote: > I apologise I have yet to test the patch, but will try and do so as > soon as possible by the end of the weekend. > > Chris > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:52:19 -0500, Bosko Milekic > wrote: > > > > Can you please give an update? > > > > -Bosko > > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:43:53PM +0000, Chris wrote: > > > thanks I will try this out as soon as possible and report back. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:38:54 -0500, Bosko Milekic > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Please try the attached patch. It's not exactly perfect but it might > > > > solve your problem. Let me know. > > > > > > > > -Bosko > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:12:33PM +0000, Chris wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > After reading the release notes and upgrading my server's I had set > > > > > the following in my /boot/loader.conf. > > > > > > > > > > kern.ipc.nmbclusters="0" > > > > > > > > > > This is supposed to make the limit to unlimited as I understood from > > > > > the docs, but a user on one of my server's reported slow download > > > > > speeds he was testing with wget and fetch, so we compared with another > > > > > FreeBSD server (5.2.1) on the same network and sure enough there was a > > > > > massive difference (45mbit on the other server 5mbit on mine), I spent > > > > > ages checking all my tweaks and changes I made comparing between the 2 > > > > > server's and ended up checking my loader.conf and tried setting a > > > > > value and leaving it as auto, both of these changes fixed the download > > > > > speed issue but setting to "0" introduces the problem. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bosko Milekic > > > > bmilekic@technokratis.com > > > > bmilekic@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bosko Milekic > > bmilekic@technokratis.com > > bmilekic@FreeBSD.org > > -- Bosko Milekic bmilekic@technokratis.com bmilekic@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 07:36:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8116116A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:36:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gate.soum.co.jp (gate.soum.co.jp [202.221.40.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A8743D1F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:36:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Received: from force.soum.co.jp (force.soum.co.jp [IPv6:2001:240:c4:1:a00:20ff:fef0:4c9c]) by gate.soum.co.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j117aTFY054657 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:36:30 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Received: from vanilla.soum.co.jp (vanilla.soum.co.jp [2001:240:c4:1:202:b3ff:fe98:8115])j117aSF03844; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vanilla.soum.co.jp (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j117aRhr036028; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:36:27 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:36:26 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: FUJITA Kazutoshi X-Face: "; PnIN=f2{%Xj2PnI+zHd.39&Cn1)}br_7:N|2[CbS87Du6#6?|UeqX'&OfyZG-mX#'5T>k/~8X(F,2Mb_pNd8]3Cb1u[kSZjF}J+#`L5(g); List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:36:32 -0000 Hi, I'm using recent 5-STABLE, and try to mirror root partition with vinum. my /boot/loader.conf is below vinum_load="YES" vinum.autostart="YES" But I got following message when boot ... vinum: loaded vinum: no drives found Mounting root from ufs:/dev/vinum/root setrootbyname failed ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp Root mount failed: 6 ... I think vinum is not auto-started. Any suggestion? Regards, From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 10:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66C16A4CE; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gate.leissner.se (gate.leissner.se [212.3.0.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8E443D46; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:12:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pol@leissner.se) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gate.leissner.se (8.9.3-030919/8.9.3) id LAA12851; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:12:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from UNKNOWN(192.71.29.17), claiming to be "pol.leissner.se" via SMTP by gate.leissner.se, id smtpdF12813; Tue Feb 1 11:12:03 2005 Received: from pol.leissner.se (localhost.leissner.se [127.0.0.1]) by pol.leissner.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11AC2mn089088; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:12:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pol@leissner.se) Received: from localhost (pol@localhost)j11AC29r089085; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:12:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pol@leissner.se) X-Authentication-Warning: pol.leissner.se: pol owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:12:02 +0100 (SNT) From: Peter Olsson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050201104045.O43425@pol.leissner.se> X-NCC-RegID: se.leissner X-Organization: Leissner Data AB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Problems with OpenOffice compile after upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:12:15 -0000 I recently upgraded from 5.2.1-p{something} to 5.3-p5. The system seems fine after the upgrade, but I have one problem. The reason for the upgrade to 5.3 was to be able to compile OpenOffice, but when I tried to do that I got an error in the dmake part stating that the file types.h didn't exist. While searching for the cause of this problem I ended up in the directory /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3, where I moved away the whole include directory. Then the OpenOffice compile could finish the dmake part and continue. Later in the compile I got errors because the include directory was missing, so I moved it back. Now I get the error below about types.h. I think that the problem has to do with the fact that the files in /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/ seem to be from the 5.2.1 release I had before upgrading. Why haven't these files been upgraded and how can I fix the problem? (I have to admit that I didn't go to single user before upgrading, I just killed almost all of the processes without [] in the ps list. This might be the cause of the problem.) I have successfully compiled some other applications after the upgrade, so the gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1 problem doesn't seem to break everything. Here is the current error: cd ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/STLport-4.5/src && gmake -f gcc-3.0-freebsd.mak -j1 && touch so_built_so_stlport g++32 -D_REENTRANT -fexceptions -I../stlport -DGXX_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/g++-v3 -Wall -W -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -ftemplate-depth-32 -fPIC dll_main.cpp -c -o ../lib/obj/GCC-FREEBSD/ReleaseD/dll_main.o In file included from /usr/include/pthread.h:42, from ../stlport/pthread.h:26, from ../stlport/stl/_threads.h:74, from ../stlport/stl/_alloc.h:64, from ../stlport/memory:28, from dll_main.cpp:38: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/sys/types.h:251: syntax error before `;' token In file included from ../stlport/stl/_vector.h:572, from ../stlport/vector:36, from dll_main.cpp:39: ../stlport/stl/_bvector.h:37:1: warning: "__WORD_BIT" redefined In file included from /usr/include/sys/limits.h:36, from /usr/include/limits.h:128, from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/limits.h:132, from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/syslimits.h:7, from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/limits.h:11, from /usr/include/pthread.h:45, from ../stlport/pthread.h:26, from ../stlport/stl/_threads.h:74, from ../stlport/stl/_alloc.h:64, from ../stlport/memory:28, from dll_main.cpp:38: /usr/include/machine/_limits.h:95:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition gmake: *** [../lib/obj/GCC-FREEBSD/ReleaseD/dll_main.o] Fel 1 dmake: Error code 2, while making './unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_built_so_stlport' ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1-se/work/stlport dmake: Error code 1, while making 'instsetoo/prj/build_all' *** Error code 255 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1-se. ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- Thanks! -- Peter Olsson pol@leissner.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 11:14:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C2516A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:14:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.156.12.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1878A43D1D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:14:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95C9046B40; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:14:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:13:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20050131183612.GA81428@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Juergen Dankoweit Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:14:40 -0000 On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 07:16:48PM +0100, Juergen Dankoweit wrote: > > > In a german documenation I have read that the "-j"-switch should not be > > used because I makes trouble especially on SMP-systems. > > This is incorrect. I've recently seen an odd nit involving -j kernel compiles, in which occasionally the build breaks because of a parse problem and vnode_if.awk. I've been meaning to sit down and see if I can reproduce it, I suspect a dependency problem. -j should always work for the kernel, but I wonder if some of the tool upheaval, especially relating to the vnode include stuff in -CURRENT, has broken it. Robert N M Watson From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 12:07:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1108916A4CE; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759E343D31; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:07:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivan.roth@free.fr) Received: from imp2-q.free.fr (imp2-q.free.fr [212.27.42.2]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D187917348C; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:07:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by imp2-q.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id AD9E05455C; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:07:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from leclerc-1-81-56-33-141.fbx.proxad.net (leclerc-1-81-56-33-141.fbx.proxad.net [81.56.33.141]) by imp2-q.free.fr (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:07:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1107259643.41ff70fb94772@imp2-q.free.fr> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:07:23 +0100 From: ivan.roth@free.fr To: Peter Olsson References: <20050201104045.O43425@pol.leissner.se> In-Reply-To: <20050201104045.O43425@pol.leissner.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 81.56.33.141 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with OpenOffice compile after upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:07:25 -0000 Selon Peter Olsson : > I recently upgraded from 5.2.1-p{something} to 5.3-p5. > The system seems fine after the upgrade, but I have one problem. > > The reason for the upgrade to 5.3 was to be able to compile > OpenOffice, but when I tried to do that I got an error in the > dmake part stating that the file types.h didn't exist. While > searching for the cause of this problem I ended up in the directory > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3, where > I moved away the whole include directory. Then the OpenOffice > compile could finish the dmake part and continue. > > Later in the compile I got errors because the include directory > was missing, so I moved it back. Now I get the error below about > types.h. > > I think that the problem has to do with the fact that the files > in /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/ seem to be from the 5.2.1 release I had > before upgrading. Why haven't these files been upgraded and how can > I fix the problem? > > (I have to admit that I didn't go to single user before upgrading, > I just killed almost all of the processes without [] in the ps list. > This might be the cause of the problem.) > > I have successfully compiled some other applications after the upgrade, > so the gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1 problem doesn't seem to break > everything. > > Here is the current error: > > cd ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/STLport-4.5/src && gmake -f gcc-3.0-freebsd.mak > -j1 && touch so_built_so_stlport > g++32 -D_REENTRANT -fexceptions -I../stlport > -DGXX_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/g++-v3 > -Wall -W -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -ftemplate-depth-32 > -fPIC dll_main.cpp -c -o ../lib/obj/GCC-FREEBSD/ReleaseD/dll_main.o > In file included from /usr/include/pthread.h:42, > from ../stlport/pthread.h:26, > from ../stlport/stl/_threads.h:74, > from ../stlport/stl/_alloc.h:64, > from ../stlport/memory:28, > from dll_main.cpp:38: > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/sys/types.h:251: > syntax > error before `;' token > In file included from ../stlport/stl/_vector.h:572, > from ../stlport/vector:36, > from dll_main.cpp:39: > ../stlport/stl/_bvector.h:37:1: warning: "__WORD_BIT" redefined > In file included from /usr/include/sys/limits.h:36, > from /usr/include/limits.h:128, > from > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/limits.h:132, > from > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/syslimits.h:7, > from > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3/include/limits.h:11, > from /usr/include/pthread.h:45, > from ../stlport/pthread.h:26, > from ../stlport/stl/_threads.h:74, > from ../stlport/stl/_alloc.h:64, > from ../stlport/memory:28, > from dll_main.cpp:38: > /usr/include/machine/_limits.h:95:1: warning: this is the location of the > previous definition > gmake: *** [../lib/obj/GCC-FREEBSD/ReleaseD/dll_main.o] Fel 1 > dmake: Error code 2, while making > './unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_built_so_stlport' > ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- > > ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1-se/work/stlport > dmake: Error code 1, while making 'instsetoo/prj/build_all' > *** Error code 255 > > Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1-se. > ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- > > Thanks! > > -- > Peter Olsson pol@leissner.se > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I'd like to help you with my few knowledge in FreeBSD. I just have to tell that I compiled openoffice-1.1.4 yesterday but on a fresh 5.3 install and no problem (just 15 hours, is that normal?). sorry for this quite useless post but if I could help, just ask. Regards, Ivan. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 12:33:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E6916A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:33:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.pelleg.org (gw.pelleg.org [205.201.13.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EA643D2D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:33:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daniel@pelleg.org) Received: from lank.here (lank.wburn [192.168.3.41]) by gw.pelleg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123B25A64 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by lank.here (Postfix, from userid 7675) id 1E68F41F8; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:33:14 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dan Pelleg Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:33:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> (FUJITA Kazutoshi's message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:36:26 +0900 (JST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) References: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Compaq deskpro won't reboot X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:33:20 -0000 Following up on a *very* old post of mine (to current@) which I still get asked on: Dan Pelleg writes: > Trying to make use of an old system - Compaq deskpro EN 350Mhz, I ran into > the following problem: If you issue a reboot(8) the machine shuts down, but > it never comes back. You have to hit the power button off and then back > on. Otherwise the machine just sits there, screen blank. The system does > shut down cleanly. This is fixed by doing two things: - enabling a jumper on the motherboard - updating the BIOS BIOS updates are available from HP. Find them by searching for the BIOS version. This shows up in the BIOS menu which you active by holding F10 during power-up. It will be something like "686T3" or "686T5". For example: http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Deskpro/us/locate/20_123.html http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/deskpro/us/download/9249.html The download creates a floppy disk, which you then boot from. It will back up your current image (although you can do this yourself from the BIOS menu as well) and flash the ROM. Big thanks to Jason Lingohr and Brian Booth for helping with this. -- Dan Pelleg From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 12:40:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075A916A4CE; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5CC43D39; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:40:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martin@mullet.se) Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DD973380C4; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:40:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D2E37F45; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:40:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.30] (h118n1fls31o985.telia.com [213.65.16.118]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB5837E42; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:40:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FF78C4.3000905@mullet.se> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:40:36 +0100 From: Martin Nilsson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:40:43 -0000 Robert Watson wrote: > I've recently seen an odd nit involving -j kernel compiles, in which > occasionally the build breaks because of a parse problem and vnode_if.awk. > I've been meaning to sit down and see if I can reproduce it, I suspect a > dependency problem. -j should always work for the kernel, but I wonder if > some of the tool upheaval, especially relating to the vnode include stuff > in -CURRENT, has broken it. I've seen something similar to this on 5.3 and 5.3-STABLE buildworld it happens on fast machines (both SMP & UP) when running 'make -j n buildworld' with n larger than about 8. It does not happen everytime, just often enough to make you wonder if the hardware is flaky or not. I have seen this on P4E (Prescott), Xeon (533FSB & 800FSB) as well as SMP Opterons. I can't remember getting it on the Celerons. If anybody wants patches that fixes this tested, I'd be happy to help. It is very annoying when using buildworld to see if a newly built machine is working OK. -- Martin Nilsson, CTO & Founder, Mullet Scandinavia AB, Malm, SWEDEN E-mail: martin@mullet.se, Phone: +46-(0)708-606170, Web: www.mullet.se Our business is well engineered servers optimised for FreeBSD & Linux From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 12:43:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629116A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freenix.no (atreides.freenix.no [212.33.142.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686F843D39 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:43:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from morten@atreides.freenix.no) Received: from atreides.freenix.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freenix.no (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Cgwo2056522; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:42:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from morten@atreides.freenix.no) Received: (from morten@localhost) by atreides.freenix.no (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j11CgrDr056521; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:42:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from morten) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:42:53 +0100 From: "Morten A. Middelthon" To: Gareth Hopkins Message-ID: <20050201124252.GB50784@freenix.no> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: http://freenix.no/~morten/pgp.txt X-PGP-Key-FingerPrint: D48B 5C4E 1590 7DE6 08A0 6539 BECC F62E 829F DF6A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 X-Warning: So cunning you could brush your teeth with it. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/571/Wed Nov 3 01:15:45 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on atreides.freenix.no X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future support for PERC 4e/XX cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:43:07 -0000 --DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 04:51:28PM +0200, Gareth Hopkins wrote: > Howdie, >=20 > Was wondering if the following cards would be supported in the=20 > near future by BSD 4.10. >=20 > PERC 4e/Si and PERC 4e/Di. These are from the new Dell poweredge 1850 and= =20 > 2850 servers. Hi, if I'm not mistaken these cards use the new PCI Express bus, which FreeBSD 4.x/5.x doesn't yet support. On my latest PowerEdge 1850 I had to use an add-in RAID controller, PERC 4/DC, in order to get RAID. with regards, --=20 Morten A. Middelthon Nothing is faster than the speed of light ... To prove this to yourself, try opening the refrigerator door before the light comes on. --DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/3lMvsz2LoKf32oRAlFFAKCQZGZff/wfPFbkyaRyrMDEZE2xvACeLa4/ d6Up3yYZqB+bYt2Jjba4ckw= =xz7C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 12:56:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088D716A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:56:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.156.12.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD1143D3F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:56:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D05D746B42; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:56:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:55:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Martin Nilsson In-Reply-To: <41FF78C4.3000905@mullet.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:56:10 -0000 On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Martin Nilsson wrote: > I've seen something similar to this on 5.3 and 5.3-STABLE buildworld it > happens on fast machines (both SMP & UP) when running 'make -j n > buildworld' with n larger than about 8. It does not happen everytime, > just often enough to make you wonder if the hardware is flaky or not. > > I have seen this on P4E (Prescott), Xeon (533FSB & 800FSB) as well as > SMP Opterons. I can't remember getting it on the Celerons. If anybody > wants patches that fixes this tested, I'd be happy to help. It is very > annoying when using buildworld to see if a newly built machine is > working OK. What specific failure mode are you seeing? Typically, hardware problems cause compiler segfaults, data corruption, etc, which tend to manifest fairly differently from dependency problems, where the failure mode is almost always an error about a missing library, include file, or the like. Robert N M Watson From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 13:18:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C83A16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D485E43D1D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:18:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1017289rne for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:18:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=a0xDny7+q55Vkt91GvKtmAkqgwqCbOFWQOe4stS6iZEEeoDTd8YR3/OkfG0mKJ0FYXcEHr/UpBLX/5q2RFvK3Wdsy5JXYKxrGJciJE8JSCcZXrLPqNZkF30kgQcn0NMtN8lP1E2O30JNW6Sci+fL4TYxYwJvxS4wWDKeM8D3VoY= Received: by 10.38.151.39 with SMTP id y39mr16883rnd; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.1.22 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:18:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a05020105184b175d4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:18:38 +0000 From: Chris To: Bosko Milekic In-Reply-To: <20050201031509.GA32624@technokratis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3aaaa3a0501060612502ce616@mail.gmail.com> <20050106223854.GA97444@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a0501081243395726d2@mail.gmail.com> <20050121175219.GA9829@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a050121124314b6d041@mail.gmail.com> <20050201031509.GA32624@technokratis.com> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mbufs on 5.3-STABLE possible bug X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:18:40 -0000 Sorry, yes have tried it, I am still seeing a negative perofrmance difference with the setting on 0 but the gap is greatly reduced and its something that is a lot more acceptable, at most it has been 10% worse then if left on auto or set to a value. Let me know if there is any specific types of tests you want doing. Chris On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:15:09 -0500, Bosko Milekic wrote: > > Can you please give an update? > > -Bosko > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 08:43:10PM +0000, Chris wrote: > > I apologise I have yet to test the patch, but will try and do so as > > soon as possible by the end of the weekend. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:52:19 -0500, Bosko Milekic > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you please give an update? > > > > > > -Bosko > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:43:53PM +0000, Chris wrote: > > > > thanks I will try this out as soon as possible and report back. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:38:54 -0500, Bosko Milekic > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Please try the attached patch. It's not exactly perfect but it might > > > > > solve your problem. Let me know. > > > > > > > > > > -Bosko > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:12:33PM +0000, Chris wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading the release notes and upgrading my server's I had set > > > > > > the following in my /boot/loader.conf. > > > > > > > > > > > > kern.ipc.nmbclusters="0" > > > > > > > > > > > > This is supposed to make the limit to unlimited as I understood from > > > > > > the docs, but a user on one of my server's reported slow download > > > > > > speeds he was testing with wget and fetch, so we compared with another > > > > > > FreeBSD server (5.2.1) on the same network and sure enough there was a > > > > > > massive difference (45mbit on the other server 5mbit on mine), I spent > > > > > > ages checking all my tweaks and changes I made comparing between the 2 > > > > > > server's and ended up checking my loader.conf and tried setting a > > > > > > value and leaving it as auto, both of these changes fixed the download > > > > > > speed issue but setting to "0" introduces the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Bosko Milekic > > > > > bmilekic@technokratis.com > > > > > bmilekic@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bosko Milekic > > > bmilekic@technokratis.com > > > bmilekic@FreeBSD.org > > > > > -- > Bosko Milekic > bmilekic@technokratis.com > bmilekic@FreeBSD.org > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 13:28:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B4F16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:28:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F4643D2F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:28:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1018617rne for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:28:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=STLbL2RCllMFF03jARQlAyVln0quUzVsFsZ2olNvfzqronkTavWEmHXdd36/gvxOpfGFDfNQYO3qY0MpQEtmJzC0GMpLHyrHSBpYVPC7P0UXRD3Jkab8Ku2gAMLEHtS42N30sxx+zUGehPQZP6P3sZ9l1S6Rv0eDeQRivgON9b8= Received: by 10.38.59.4 with SMTP id h4mr123927rna; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.1.22 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:28:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0502010528760c3a11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:28:27 +0000 From: Chris To: freebsd4@fadesa.es In-Reply-To: <41FE7524.7E907BE@fadesa.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <41FE7524.7E907BE@fadesa.es> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 50% of packets lost only on local interfaces X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:28:28 -0000 Have tested on 3 boxes. 5.3-STABLE compiled Jan 5th --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- 61 packets transmitted, 61 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.062/0.073/0.146/0.013 ms 5.3-STABLE amd64 build compiled Jan 29th --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- 60 packets transmitted, 60 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.024/0.030/0.048/0.005 ms 5.3-Release-P5 --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- 60 packets transmitted, 60 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.057/0.089/0.167/0.017 ms On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:12:52 +0100, Jos=E9 M. Fandi=F1o wrote: > Hello, >=20 > It sounds weird but tcp/ip traffic directed to _local_ interfaces, > and only _local_ interfaces, always cause 50% of packets lost. Of > course there isn't packet filters activated. >=20 > I'm running -stable (the last update was this past weekend) >=20 > There is another report like this: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dkern/72022 > but the suggested solution doesn't works in my case. >=20 > ping to local interfaces get replies for 50% of the packets: >=20 > > ping -c 512 127.0.0.1 > [snip] > --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- > 512 packets transmitted, 257 packets received, 49% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.046/0.049/0.077/0.004 ms >=20 > > ping -c 512 10.20.30.2 > [snip] > --- 10.20.30.2 ping statistics --- > 512 packets transmitted, 254 packets received, 50% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.017/0.049/0.071/0.004 ms >=20 > Also running tcpdump on localhost shows as the kernel stop from > responding to packets without an apparent motive. >=20 > > tcpdump -n -i lo0 > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decod= e > listening on lo0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 bytes > [snip] > 17:58:15.516451 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 76 > 17:58:15.516476 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo reply seq 76 > 17:58:16.517321 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 77 > 17:58:16.517347 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo reply seq 77 > 17:58:17.518158 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 78 > 17:58:18.519042 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 79 > 17:58:19.519853 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 80 > 17:58:20.520698 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 81 > 17:58:21.521548 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 82 > 17:58:22.522392 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 83 >=20 > more tests, to the lan router: >=20 > > ping -c 500 10.20.30.6 > [snip] > --- 10.20.30.6 ping statistics --- > 500 packets transmitted, 500 packets received, 0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 1.565/2.015/40.189/2.385 ms >=20 > from the lan router: >=20 > Router#ping > Protocol [ip]: > Target IP address: 10.20.30.2 > Repeat count [5]: 500 > Datagram size [100]: > Timeout in seconds [2]: > Extended commands [n]: > Sweep range of sizes [n]: > Type escape sequence to abort. > Sending 500, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.20.30.2, timeout is 2 seconds: > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!! > Success rate is 99 percent (498/500), round-trip min/avg/max =3D 1/2/12 m= s >=20 > I don't find any explanation for this, but I'd like to know if there is > any solution? >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > I put the whole test (dmesg, make.conf, etc)in this URL so you can see > all numbers. > http://195.55.55.164/tests/FreeBSD/report.txt >=20 > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GCS/IT d- s+:+() a- C+++ UBL+++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N+ o++ K- w--- > O+ M+ V- PS+ PE+ Y++ PGP+>+++ t+ 5 X+$ R- tv-- b+++ DI D++>+++ > G++ e- h+(++) !r !z > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 14:23:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E95216A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:23:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7F243D2F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:23:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave.uy@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so559290rne for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:23:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Vl7fTo2oiSzEywd1kZooPiFEhumuZOlKlAJQoWZksp/iZTybIzFNL2TfKWAsWoZ5bI/t0OQ8ygF9rEVFMaIDfliGg0MzcIvWWxmG8bS1EHlZfB85424APxCeZLLH1dtBi255Yi8Swt56yM1e1PqllPSwZOKzElzlizumqpZHpCA= Received: by 10.38.70.7 with SMTP id s7mr128152rna; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.70.43 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:23:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:23:43 +0800 From: david uy To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: usb causing 5.3 release/stable crash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: david uy List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:23:46 -0000 Hello, I connect to the office machine via serial modem after office hours and encountered no problems until I tried using one of those USB to Serial adapters - I could connect alright but for less than 24 hours. It's okay during the weekdays but the office machine would hang over the weekend. Had to press the reset button. Unfortunately, it wouldn't boot anymore. Reinstalled 5.3-release today. And it's down after 4 hours remote dialin access. I used 5.3-stable from sometime December 2004 which worked well until I started using an ATEN UC-232 USB -> Serial adapter, serial modem and mgetty. I read somewhere that /dev/ucom# would be replaced by /dev/cuaU# - might that be the solution to my problem? Dave From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 15:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA5A16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:37:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from stephanie.unixdaemons.com (stephanie.unixdaemons.com [67.18.111.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6638543D31 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:37:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bmilekic@technokratis.com) Received: from stephanie.unixdaemons.com (bmilekic@localhost.unixdaemons.com [127.0.0.1])j11FbI4i043571; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bmilekic@localhost) by stephanie.unixdaemons.com (8.13.2/8.12.1/Submit) id j11FbIOg043570; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:37:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bmilekic@technokratis.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stephanie.unixdaemons.com: bmilekic set sender to bmilekic@technokratis.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:37:18 -0500 From: Bosko Milekic To: Chris Message-ID: <20050201153718.GA43352@technokratis.com> References: <3aaaa3a0501060612502ce616@mail.gmail.com> <20050106223854.GA97444@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a0501081243395726d2@mail.gmail.com> <20050121175219.GA9829@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a050121124314b6d041@mail.gmail.com> <20050201031509.GA32624@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a05020105184b175d4b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a05020105184b175d4b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mbufs on 5.3-STABLE possible bug X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:37:21 -0000 On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:18:38PM +0000, Chris wrote: > Sorry, yes have tried it, I am still seeing a negative perofrmance > difference with the setting on 0 but the gap is greatly reduced and > its something that is a lot more acceptable, at most it has been 10% > worse then if left on auto or set to a value. Let me know if there is > any specific types of tests you want doing. > > Chris I'm not sure I understand. Setting it to zero _means_ "auto." I'll likely commit the patch. Thanks. -- Bosko Milekic bmilekic@technokratis.com bmilekic@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 15:44:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826BC16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:44:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford-x.mitre.org [192.160.51.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B4043D39 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:44:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j11FiA419634 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0DDBF7E for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j11Fi9k19546; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:09 -0500 Received: from mm112324-2k-1.mitre.org (128.29.24.53) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 8015134; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: <41FFA3C4.8050201@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:44:04 -0500 From: Jason Andresen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Leffler References: <20050119151301.A22310@Denninger.Net> <8eea040805011913334b140af6@mail.gmail.com> <8eea04080501191506237fc762@mail.gmail.com> <20050119171504.A23623@Denninger.Net> <41EF22F0.7010009@errno.com> In-Reply-To: <41EF22F0.7010009@errno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Karl Denninger Subject: Re: Bad disk or kernel (ATA Driver) problem? - SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:44:11 -0000 Sam Leffler wrote: > I have had spectacularly bad luck with Maxtor SATA drives. I've > already RMA'd 4 of 8 drives and have 2 more waiting to go back. 1 was > DOA, the rest failed completely while in operation (typically locking > up the machine). These were all Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 6Y160M0 > 160GB Serial ATA drives. After testing for power, cables, disk > controller, motherboard, and other potential reasons I've decided the > drives were just faulty and have switched to another vendor. I have a pair of 6Y200M0 drives in my machine. They absolutely _hated_ the SiI 3112 controller I had them on (the one built-in on the motherboard). Lots of timeouts and the occasional untraceable random lockup. I moved them over to a Promise SATA controller and they seem much happier. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 15:53:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A8B16A4CE; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harik.murex.com (mail.murex.com [194.98.239.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DD043D4C; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:53:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from interscan.fr.murex.com (iscan.murex.fr [172.21.17.207] (may be forged)) by harik.murex.com with ESMTP id j11Fhugu006976; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:43:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from mxmail.murex.com (interscan.murex.fr [127.0.0.1]) by interscan.fr.murex.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j11Fuki28773; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:56:46 +0100 Received: from mteterin.us.murex.com ([172.21.130.86]) by mxmail.murex.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:53:02 +0100 From: Mikhail Teterin Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502011053.04861.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 15:53:03.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CCFA2E0:01C50876] cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Peter Olsson Subject: Re: Problems with OpenOffice compile after upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:53:30 -0000 The patch to use the system compiler (created by Gentoo for an earlier release and adapted by me to 1.1.4) was submitted to the OpenOffice port maintainer over three weeks ago -- before the port was upgraded to 1.1.4. The patch also included fixes to make the port use independently installed STL and other components currently bundled with the OOo. Unfortunately, the team-leader's attitude is that the a port should not change any aspects (however wrong) of the ported software. According to him, "gcc will always have regressions" and thus it is somehow better to stick to the old version of it. I will, hopefully, commit something like openoffice-1.1-clean soon. -mi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 16:40:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B13016A4CF for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:40:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.tvnetwork.hu (zion.tvnetwork.hu [80.95.64.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 343B143D41 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:40:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlokaroly@tvnetwork.hu) Received: (qmail 15457 invoked by uid 300); 1 Feb 2005 16:40:54 -0000 Received: from 80.95.78.167 by zion.tvnetwork.hu (envelope-from , uid 64011) with qmail-scanner-1.24st (clamdscan: 0.80/600. spamassassin: 3.0.1. perlscan: 1.24st. Clear:RC:1(80.95.78.167):SA:0(-4.3/6.0):. 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(80.95.78.167) by zion.tvnetwork.hu with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 16:40:48 -0000 Message-ID: <41FFB13E.1020301@tvnetwork.hu> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:41:34 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=E1szl=F3_K=E1roly?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Olsson References: <20050201104045.O43425@pol.leissner.se> In-Reply-To: <20050201104045.O43425@pol.leissner.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on zion.tvnetwork.hu X-Spam-Report: * -3.3 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000]postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org * -0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Qmail-Scanner-MOVED-X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with OpenOffice compile after upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:40:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Olsson wrote: | I recently upgraded from 5.2.1-p{something} to 5.3-p5. The system | seems fine after the upgrade, but I have one problem. | | The reason for the upgrade to 5.3 was to be able to compile | OpenOffice, but when I tried to do that I got an error in the dmake | part stating that the file types.h didn't exist. While searching | for the cause of this problem I ended up in the directory | /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1/3.2.3, where I | moved away the whole include directory. Then the OpenOffice compile | could finish the dmake part and continue. | | Later in the compile I got errors because the include directory was | missing, so I moved it back. Now I get the error below about | types.h. | | I think that the problem has to do with the fact that the files in | /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/ seem to be from the 5.2.1 release I had | before upgrading. Why haven't these files been upgraded and how can | I fix the problem? | | (I have to admit that I didn't go to single user before upgrading, | I just killed almost all of the processes without [] in the ps | list. This might be the cause of the problem.) | | I have successfully compiled some other applications after the | upgrade, so the gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1 problem doesn't | seem to break everything. | Hi, You should recompile gcc3.2.3 (cd /usr/ports/lang/gcc32; make deinstall install clean), when you do it you get the correct version as "i386-portbld-freebsd5.3". With this you can compile OO.org successfully. Furthermore, I recommend you to upgrade your system to 5.3-STABLE, on 5.3-RELEASE there are threading issues with OO.org. Best, Laci -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB/7E9HGP5/4adgcURArDkAJ9AAYEO2ZCxvik9CrgxBq89FLBQ8gCdE0eN W/hkvbO7U7abrHp8R5P7cGM= =+4Pg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 18:14:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5653016A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:14:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuego.fadesa.es (fuego.fadesa.es [195.55.55.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B366643D39 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:14:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd4@fadesa.es) Received: (from root@localhost) by fuego.fadesa.es (8.9.3p2/8.8.8) id TAA30524 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:16:14 +0100 Received: from tierra.fadesa.es(195.55.55.7) by fuego.fadesa.es Tue, 1 Feb 05 19:16:00 +0100 Received: from fadesa.es (filemon.fadesa.es [195.55.55.6] (may be forged)) by tierra.fadesa.es (8.9.3p2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06101 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:14:20 +0100 Sender: fan@fadesa.es Message-ID: <41FFC6FC.CF97314C@fadesa.es> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:14:20 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= M. =?iso-8859-15?Q?Fandi=F1o?=" Organization: Inmobiliaria FADESA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.27-ow1 i686) X-Accept-Language: gl, en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <41FE7524.7E907BE@fadesa.es> <3aaaa3a0502010528760c3a11@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Logged: Logged by tierra.fadesa.es as TAA06101 at Tue Feb 1 19:14:20 2005 Subject: Re: 50% of packets lost only on local interfaces X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd4@fadesa.es List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:14:49 -0000 Chris wrote: > = > Have tested on 3 boxes. yes, it's the intended operation and If I don't see it I don't = believe it but it happens. I ever thought it would be possible. The weirdest is that it worked in 5.3-RELEASE and some time later, = whilst I was tracking -stable, aplications began to fail local network conections. Simple tests with ping showed me as the kernel = receive packets (tcpdump seems to see inbound packets) but ignores exacly 50% of them. This makes any sense to someone? Following the proposed solution for kern/72022 I removed /usr/obj, all possible harmful options in make.conf and compiled world and = a GENERIC kernel again without any luck. > grep '^[^#]' /etc/make.conf CFLAGS=3D -pipe COPTFLAGS=3D -pipe NOPROFILE=3D true # Avoid compiling profiled libraries X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=3Dxorg PERL_VER=3D5.8.5 PERL_VERSION=3D5.8.5 PERL_ARCH=3Dmach NOPERL=3Dyo NO_PERL=3Dyo NO_PERL_WRAPPER=3Dyo SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=3D-I/usr/local/include -DSTARTTLS -DSASL=3D2 -DMILTER -D= LDAPMAP SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=3D -L/usr/local/lib SENDMAIL_LDADD=3D-lsasl2 -lssl -lcrypto -lldap -llber I'm lost here, any help will be welcome. Regards, > 5.3-STABLE compiled Jan 5th > = > --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- > 61 packets transmitted, 61 packets received, 0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.062/0.073/0.146/0.013 ms > = > 5.3-STABLE amd64 build compiled Jan 29th > = > --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- > 60 packets transmitted, 60 packets received, 0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.024/0.030/0.048/0.005 ms > = > 5.3-Release-P5 > = > --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- > 60 packets transmitted, 60 packets received, 0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.057/0.089/0.167/0.017 ms > = > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:12:52 +0100, Jos=E9 M. Fandi=F1o wrote: > > Hello, > > > > It sounds weird but tcp/ip traffic directed to _local_ interfaces, > > and only _local_ interfaces, always cause 50% of packets lost. Of > > course there isn't packet filters activated. > > > > I'm running -stable (the last update was this past weekend) > > > > There is another report like this: > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dkern/72022 > > but the suggested solution doesn't works in my case. > > > > ping to local interfaces get replies for 50% of the packets: > > > > > ping -c 512 127.0.0.1 > > [snip] > > --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- > > 512 packets transmitted, 257 packets received, 49% packet loss > > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.046/0.049/0.077/0.004 ms > > > > > ping -c 512 10.20.30.2 > > [snip] > > --- 10.20.30.2 ping statistics --- > > 512 packets transmitted, 254 packets received, 50% packet loss > > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.017/0.049/0.071/0.004 ms > > > > Also running tcpdump on localhost shows as the kernel stop from > > responding to packets without an apparent motive. > > > > > tcpdump -n -i lo0 > > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol d= ecode > > listening on lo0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 byte= s > > [snip] > > 17:58:15.516451 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 7= 6 > > 17:58:15.516476 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo reply seq 76 > > 17:58:16.517321 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 7= 7 > > 17:58:16.517347 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo reply seq 77 > > 17:58:17.518158 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 7= 8 > > 17:58:18.519042 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 7= 9 > > 17:58:19.519853 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 8= 0 > > 17:58:20.520698 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 8= 1 > > 17:58:21.521548 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 8= 2 > > 17:58:22.522392 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: icmp 64: echo request seq 8= 3 > > > > more tests, to the lan router: > > > > > ping -c 500 10.20.30.6 > > [snip] > > --- 10.20.30.6 ping statistics --- > > 500 packets transmitted, 500 packets received, 0% packet loss > > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 1.565/2.015/40.189/2.385 ms > > > > from the lan router: > > > > Router#ping > > Protocol [ip]: > > Target IP address: 10.20.30.2 > > Repeat count [5]: 500 > > Datagram size [100]: > > Timeout in seconds [2]: > > Extended commands [n]: > > Sweep range of sizes [n]: > > Type escape sequence to abort. > > Sending 500, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.20.30.2, timeout is 2 seconds:= > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! > > !!!!!!!!!! > > Success rate is 99 percent (498/500), round-trip min/avg/max =3D 1/2/= 12 ms > > > > I don't find any explanation for this, but I'd like to know if there = is > > any solution? > > > > Thank you. > > > > I put the whole test (dmesg, make.conf, etc)in this URL so you can se= e > > all numbers. > > http://195.55.55.164/tests/FreeBSD/report.txt -- = -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d- s+:+() a- C+++ UBL+++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N+ o++ K- w--- O+ M+ V- PS+ PE+ Y++ PGP+>+++ t+ 5 X+$ R- tv-- b+++ DI D++>+++ G++ e- h+(++) !r !z ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 18:47:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A488616A4D1 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:47:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta.webmatic.de (mta.webmatic.de [212.78.99.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C5043D48 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:47:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@chef-ingenieur.de) Received: (qmail 55552 invoked by uid 1003); 1 Feb 2005 18:47:29 -0000 Received: from freebsd-stable@chef-ingenieur.de by mta.webmatic.de by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:RC:1(212.12.59.1):. Processed in 0.139459 secs); 01 Feb 2005 18:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (freebsd-stable@chef-ingenieur.de@212.12.59.1) by mta.webmatic.de with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 18:47:29 -0000 Message-ID: <41FFCED3.4040308@chef-ingenieur.de> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:47:47 +0100 From: Thoamas Krause -CI- User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3ware 3DM2 for FreeBSD 5 at amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:47:35 -0000 Hello, is there a 3DM2 version for amd64? The x86-version from the 3ware homepage doesn't run correct. Kind regards, Thomas. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 19:22:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B009616A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from inf.ufrgs.br (puma.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6DD43D31 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:22:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from torgan@inf.ufrgs.br) Received: from localhost (smtp.inf.ufrgs.br [127.0.0.1]) by inf.ufrgs.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j11JMTMb023522 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:22:29 -0200 Received: from inf.ufrgs.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (puma [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22593-07 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:22:24 -0200 (BRDT) Received: from maserati.inf.ufrgs.br (maserati.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.12.72]) by inf.ufrgs.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j11JMJsI023430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:22:20 -0200 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:22:19 -0200 (BRDT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?T=F3rgan_Flores_de_Siqueira?= To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050201120057.B1A3216A529@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <20050201120057.B1A3216A529@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="915404556-1774814761-1107285739=:6219" Subject: rl and acpi problem with 5-stable on laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:22:34 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --915404556-1774814761-1107285739=:6219 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hello, I have a rl(4) driven NIC (Realtek 8139) on a Toshiba 2060CDS laptop, and the card works fine with FreeBSD 5.2.1 (now using 5.2.1-RELEASE-p13). I'm trying to install 5-STABLE for a while, but the card doesn't work since version 5.3-RELEASE. What I get is the well-known "rl0: watchdog timeout" and nothing more. By the way, the same applies to ACPI. Using 5.2.1, the machine works fine, but with 5.3-RELEASE and 5-STABLE, I need to boot it without ACPI support. Booting with ACPI enabled causes the machine to freeze when probing for devices. (Well, it freezes at random places/stages of the boot process, so I can't track down what is happening). The chipset is a RTL8139 (Encore ENP832-TX-PC 10/100base-TX). This is a ethernet PCMCIA adapter, so I'm not sure where the problem is: if in the NIC driver, in the cardbus subsystem or in the ACPI subsystem. I read early posts, and I know rl isn't a good card, but since it works fine with 5.2.1, I'm wondering what happened since 5.3, including STABLE, that it doesn't work anymore. The same applies to ACPI. Any hints to help me to track down the problem (and solve it!) are welcome. []s Trgan --915404556-1774814761-1107285739=:6219-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 20:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E02016A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:12:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993E43D48 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:12:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28160129256 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:33 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09134-02 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E351291F2 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:33 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BFAFA3A5EF; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:33 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC083A55C for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:33 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:33 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050201160946.X89998@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Subject: what is vrlock, and why is it causing me problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:12:39 -0000 /proc/10/status:syncer 10 0 0 0 -1,-1 noflags 1103511247,149 0,0 44097,435728 vrlock 0 0 0,0 - /proc/39506/status:postgres 39506 39505 39500 39500 -1,-1 noflags 1106713055,403942 3002,40214 4118,737982 vrlock 1001 1001 1001,1001,1001 maildb.hub.org /proc/51927/status:postgres 51927 41068 41068 41068 -1,-1 noflags 1107288042,547570 0,0 1,303423 vrlock 1001 1001 1001,1001,1001 pgsql72.hub.org /proc/52582/status:postgres 52582 52581 52579 52579 -1,-1 noflags 1104953811,860872 16534,324197 22783,184956 vrlock 1001 1001 1001,1001,1001 pgsql74.hub.org /proc/53309/status:umount 53309 82960 53309 82960 5,2 ctty 1107288298,562659 0,0 0,546634 vrlock 0 0 0,0,0,2,3,4,5,20,31 - /proc/54039/status:umount 54039 53941 54039 53941 5,4 ctty 1107288402,928683 0,0 0,526544 vrlock 0 0 0,0,0,2,3,4,5,20,31 - /proc/9/status:bufdaemon 9 0 0 0 -1,-1 noflags 1103511247,130 0,0 432,924063 vrlock 0 0 0,0 - I can't even ^C out of the umount command: # umount /vm/domainhere/proc ^C^C^C^C^C Load on the server is neglible, so it isn't like I'm dealing with 'server lag': # uptime 4:11PM up 43 days, 17:09, 7 users, load averages: 3.06, 3.80, 5.69 This only affects my two machines using vinum for RAID5 ... my hardware RAID machines, I've never seen this happen on :( I'm running an 'older' version of 4.x here, but not *really* old: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #7: Thu Oct 7 20:17:02 ADT 2004 help? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 20:21:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CE316A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:21:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from yertle.kcilink.com (yertle.kcilink.com [65.205.34.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA9643D45 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:21:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vivek@khera.org) Received: from [192.168.7.103] (host-103.int.kcilink.com [192.168.7.103]) by yertle.kcilink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F3B87A for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:21:01 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <826E7D69-6E39-11D9-802F-000A9578CFCC@khera.org> References: <200501240911.31608.emanuel.strobl@gmx.net> <200501241944.13307.emanuel.strobl@gmx.net> <826E7D69-6E39-11D9-802F-000A9578CFCC@khera.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <61570cf864c7224268e103baab780fcf@khera.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vivek Khera Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:21:01 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: watchdogd panic when shutdown -p X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:21:05 -0000 On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Vivek Khera wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Emanuel Strobl wrote: > >> Maybe Sean Kelly can tell us how SW_WATCHDOG interacts with ACPI, >> since I >> think the problem occurs when the kernel disables ACPI, right? (just >> my >> "feeling") >> > > Next chance I get I'll play with the SW_WATCHDOG and see if that stops > the problem on my boxes. Out of sheer luck, the two that have the > problem are at my office, and the two that do not are at my co-lo. > None of the dozen 4.x boxes ever fail to reboot at the co-lo, either, > the once or twice a year I upgrade them. > Verified on one machine that removing SW_WATCHDOG from kernel config gets rid of the endless interrupt errors on reboot. Other machine is primary office server, so will take some coordination to test this. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 21:36:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E0B16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:36:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4E043D2D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j11LaAmO089570; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:36:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:36:10 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20050201213609.GB25470@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050201160946.X89998@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050201160946.X89998@ganymede.hub.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is vrlock, and why is it causing me problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:36:11 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 01), Marc G. Fournier said: > > /proc/10/status:syncer 10 0 0 0 -1,-1 noflags 1103511247,149 0,0 44097,435728 vrlock 0 0 0,0 - > /proc/39506/status:postgres 39506 39505 39500 39500 -1,-1 noflags 1106713055,403942 3002,40214 4118,737982 vrlock 1001 1001 1001,1001,1001 maildb.hub.org > /proc/51927/status:postgres 51927 41068 41068 41068 -1,-1 noflags 1107288042,547570 0,0 1,303423 vrlock 1001 1001 1001,1001,1001 pgsql72.hub.org > /proc/52582/status:postgres 52582 52581 52579 52579 -1,-1 noflags 1104953811,860872 16534,324197 22783,184956 vrlock 1001 1001 1001,1001,1001 pgsql74.hub.org > /proc/53309/status:umount 53309 82960 53309 82960 5,2 ctty 1107288298,562659 0,0 0,546634 vrlock 0 0 0,0,0,2,3,4,5,20,31 - > /proc/54039/status:umount 54039 53941 54039 53941 5,4 ctty 1107288402,928683 0,0 0,526544 vrlock 0 0 0,0,0,2,3,4,5,20,31 - > /proc/9/status:bufdaemon 9 0 0 0 -1,-1 noflags 1103511247,130 0,0 432,924063 vrlock 0 0 0,0 - vrlock is an internal vinum lock (see /sys/dev/vinum/vinumlock.c ). > Load on the server is neglible, so it isn't like I'm dealing with > 'server lag' > > FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #7: Thu Oct 7 20:17:02 ADT 2004 more like deadlock, I think. There were two commits in RELENG_4 after your build time, but it's a performance fix and probably won't affect your lock problem. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 23:46:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BF916A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from diablo.csolve.net (diablo.csolve.net [207.61.27.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C87243D39 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:46:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from horechuk@csolve.net) Received: from dsl-142.46.83.160.csolve.net ([142.46.83.160] helo=friar) by diablo.csolve.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Cw7j5-0002yq-Nk for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:46:31 -0500 From: Paul Horechuk To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:49:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502011849.15143.horechuk@csolve.net> Subject: libjava.so not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: horechuk@csolve.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:46:33 -0000 During make of openoffice-1.1 make -DWITHOUT_MOZILLA ============= Building project sandbox ============= /usr2/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/sandbox/com/sun/star/lib/sandbox mkout -- version: 1.3 Making dpj... ------------------------------ Making: ../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/misc/lib_sandbox.dpc dmake subdmake=true -f makefile.mk product="full" depend=t ALLDPC ------------------------------ No Dependencies javac -classpath ".:../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/class:/usr/local/jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/rt.jar:." -d ../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/class AudioProxy.java Cachable.java ClassContext.java ClassContextImpl.java ClassContextProxy.java CodeSource.java Disposable.java ExecutionContext.java Holder.javaImageProducerProxy.java JarEntry.java JarInputStream.java Permission.java PermissionCollection.java ProtectionDomain.java Resource.java ResourceImpl.java ResourceProxy.java ResourceViewer.java SandboxMessageHandler.java SandboxThreadGroup.java SandboxSecurity.java SandboxSecurityException.java WeakRef.java WeakTable.java WeakEntry.java XImage.java Error: could not find libjava.so Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. dmake: Error code 2, while making '../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/misc/lib_sandbox_dummy.java' ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making /usr2/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/sandbox/com/sun/star/lib/sandbox dmake: Error code 1, while making 'instsetoo/prj/build_all' *** Error code 255 Stop in /usr2/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1. ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- friar# locate libjava.so /usr2/local/jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so /usr2/local/jre1.1.8/lib/i386/green_threads/libjava.so /usr2/local/jre1.1.8/lib/i386/green_threads/libjava.so.1.1.8 friar# uname -a FreeBSD friar.horechuk.csolve.net 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #6: Sat Jan 15 21:36:01 EST 2005 Can I symlink one of the libjava.so files to where openoffice is looking? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 23:51:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDF216A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:51:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F643D1F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:51:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8C19D5129C; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:51:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:51:45 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alex Burke Message-ID: <20050201235145.GA6345@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <41FE5468.3000804@leadhill.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3 STABLE kernel compilation oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:51:47 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:00:54PM +0000, Alex Burke wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I have some further information that might be of some use, and also > points me to a cause of this bug. This indeed looks like the bug which is fixed by the patch in the erratum you mentioned. Kris --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCABYQWry0BWjoQKURAslGAKCsy722QkrutvTEz51xXryKFVSAMQCeOCSW EO/ChQyRn/Vwfje9F1WXAo8= =OMwc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 00:16:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C232216A4CF for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F04A43D55 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:16:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 824B48569D; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:46:56 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:46:56 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: FUJITA Kazutoshi Message-ID: <20050202001656.GL49172@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PxfPHMNiL6rJReuz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vinum.autostart problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:16:59 -0000 --PxfPHMNiL6rJReuz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 1 February 2005 at 16:36:26 +0900, FUJITA Kazutoshi wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using recent 5-STABLE, > and try to mirror root partition with vinum. > > my /boot/loader.conf is below > > vinum_load="YES" > vinum.autostart="YES" > > But I got following message when boot > > ... > vinum: loaded > vinum: no drives found > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/vinum/root > setrootbyname failed > ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp > Root mount failed: 6 > ... > > I think vinum is not auto-started. > > Any suggestion? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: david uy List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:54:20 -0000 Okay, another case of replying to self .... Got a proper panic message this morning: panic: uchi_abort_xfer : not in process context Anybody seen one of these before? Possible solutions? David On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:23:43 +0800, david uy wrote: > Hello, > > I connect to the office machine via serial modem after office hours > and encountered no problems until I tried using one of those USB to > Serial adapters - I could connect alright but for less than 24 hours. > It's okay during the weekdays but the office machine would hang over > the weekend. Had to press the reset button. Unfortunately, it > wouldn't boot anymore. Reinstalled 5.3-release today. And it's down > after 4 hours remote dialin access. > > I used 5.3-stable from sometime December 2004 which worked well until > I started using an ATEN UC-232 USB -> Serial adapter, serial modem and > mgetty. I read somewhere that /dev/ucom# would be replaced by > /dev/cuaU# - might that be the solution to my problem? > > Dave > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 02:00:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF0016A4CF for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:00:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 139C243D2D for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:00:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO optimator.noacks.org) (noacks@swbell.net@70.240.249.100 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 02:00:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67956255; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:00:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 75112-03; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:00:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from compgeek.noacks.org (compgeek [192.168.1.10]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F726231; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:00:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compgeek.noacks.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1220LPJ011949; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:00:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Message-ID: <42003435.706@alumni.rice.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:00:21 -0600 From: Jon Noack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" References: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> <20050202001656.GL49172@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20050202001656.GL49172@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at noacks.org cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: vinum.autostart problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:00:27 -0000 On 02/01/05 18:16, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 1 February 2005 at 16:36:26 +0900, FUJITA Kazutoshi wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I'm using recent 5-STABLE, >>and try to mirror root partition with vinum. >> >>my /boot/loader.conf is below >> >>vinum_load="YES" >>vinum.autostart="YES" >> >>But I got following message when boot >> >>... >>vinum: loaded >>vinum: no drives found >>Mounting root from ufs:/dev/vinum/root >>setrootbyname failed >>ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp >>Root mount failed: 6 >>... >> >>I think vinum is not auto-started. >> >>Any suggestion? > > > http://www.vinumvm.org/vinum/how-to-debug.html > > Greg Can you mirror the root partition with regular vinum on 5-STABLE, or does this require gvinum? Jon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 02:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A5716A4CE; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gate.soum.co.jp (gate.soum.co.jp [202.221.40.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A604443D2D; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:42:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Received: from force.soum.co.jp (force.soum.co.jp [IPv6:2001:240:c4:1:a00:20ff:fef0:4c9c]) by gate.soum.co.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j122fowF060778; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:41:50 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Received: from vanilla.soum.co.jp (vanilla.soum.co.jp [2001:240:c4:1:202:b3ff:fe98:8115])j122fmF29008; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:41:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vanilla.soum.co.jp (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j122flJE042226; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:41:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:41:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050202.114146.88497069.fujita@soum.co.jp> To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu From: FUJITA Kazutoshi In-Reply-To: <42003435.706@alumni.rice.edu> References: <20050201.163626.85390347.fujita@soum.co.jp> <20050202001656.GL49172@wantadilla.lemis.com> <42003435.706@alumni.rice.edu> X-Face: "; PnIN=f2{%Xj2PnI+zHd.39&Cn1)}br_7:N|2[CbS87Du6#6?|UeqX'&OfyZG-mX#'5T>k/~8X(F,2Mb_pNd8]3Cb1u[kSZjF}J+#`L5(g); List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:42:05 -0000 From: Jon Noack Subject: Re: vinum.autostart problem Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:00:21 -0600 Message-ID: <42003435.706@alumni.rice.edu> > Can you mirror the root partition with regular vinum on 5-STABLE, or > does this require gvinum? gvinum makes me happy;-) thanks. Regards, From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 02:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F1B16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bloom.cse.buffalo.edu (bloom.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2709943D2D for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:43:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bloom.cse.buffalo.edu (localhost.cse.buffalo.edu [127.0.0.1]) by bloom.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.1/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j122h3aw011014 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by bloom.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j122h3Mr011013 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:43:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kensmith) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:43:03 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:43:04 -0000 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Just a heads-up to say that the 5.4 release activities will begin towards the end of February, with an expected release date of April 4th. Here are the highlights of the proposed schedule: Feb. 23 newvers.sh starts to say 5.4-PRERELEASE Mar. 2 RELENG_5 code freeze begins Mar. 4 Public test release build called 5.4-PRERELEASE Mar. 16 Branch RELENG_5_4, unfreeze RELENG_5 Mar. 18 5.4-RC1 Mar. 25 5.4-RC2 Apr. 4 5.4-RELEASE The full schedule (with some blanks left to be filled in) and todo list are available here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/schedule.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/todo.html -ken --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCAD42/G14VSmup/YRAtgoAJ4+imlyo9BYGJyO20qSx0tHqtd/JACcCGSJ pt0ahyUkdr/DffVqiaPDvI8= =hpX4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 03:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BF216A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:30:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EB243D1D for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:30:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave.uy@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so7706rne for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:30:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=eAhK/dwx7Uung5xx7cuMyWe4nrXyNg9AUzB63QDlEhUaJ2LcfMoNxAbqRTzkXNnLX5r3ugRz5yVNy3bHQopmdTXK4TxepUlBGSl99l94gQl+TikGX+H1v+k4Mte5LKMw5ddKh0rDjtZoLfrRFIuH1vz/Uz7epK9FdenodITPXYs= Received: by 10.38.14.52 with SMTP id 52mr61779rnn; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.70.43 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:30:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:30:34 +0800 From: david uy To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: usb causing 5.3 release/stable crash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: david uy List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:30:35 -0000 Yet another reply to self! Got some info from the current mailing list - seems they have a patch for this but don't know how to apply it. Patch maybe? Has this patch been included in the latest -stable? Building world as I write this. Will attempt to apply the patch, too! *fingers crossed* David On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:54:18 +0800, david uy wrote: > Okay, another case of replying to self .... > > Got a proper panic message this morning: > > panic: uchi_abort_xfer : not in process context > > Anybody seen one of these before? Possible solutions? > > David > > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:23:43 +0800, david uy wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I connect to the office machine via serial modem after office hours > > and encountered no problems until I tried using one of those USB to > > Serial adapters - I could connect alright but for less than 24 hours. > > It's okay during the weekdays but the office machine would hang over > > the weekend. Had to press the reset button. Unfortunately, it > > wouldn't boot anymore. Reinstalled 5.3-release today. And it's down > > after 4 hours remote dialin access. > > > > I used 5.3-stable from sometime December 2004 which worked well until > > I started using an ATEN UC-232 USB -> Serial adapter, serial modem and > > mgetty. I read somewhere that /dev/ucom# would be replaced by > > /dev/cuaU# - might that be the solution to my problem? > > > > Dave > > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 04:09:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233AB16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:09:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from elvenbow.nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp (elvenbow.nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp [133.5.6.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCE043D2D for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:09:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kasahara@nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (kasahara@elvenbow.nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp [IPv6:::1]) j1249T3D025078 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:09:29 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from kasahara@nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:09:29 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050202.130929.172616894.kasahara@nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Yoshiaki Kasahara X-Fingerprint: CDA2 B6B6 6796 0DD3 9D80 2602 E909 4623 A15E A074 X-URL: http://www.nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~kasahara/ X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2rc1 on Emacs 21.3.50 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RELENG_5 IPFW misbehavior X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:09:34 -0000 Hello, Could anyone please review kern/71910 and kern/73129 to fix IPFW behavior before 5.4R? I have trouble using ipfw for output interface selection after migrated to 5.x... Thanks in advance, -- Yoshiaki Kasahara kasahara@nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 04:25:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7596916A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:25:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B9D43D48 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:25:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 7196FD819; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 395B7636B; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:25:02 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:25:02 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 16) "Corporate Culture" XEmacs Lucid Subject: Geom RAID root report. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:25:05 -0000 Before making this machine, I did a search on the lists to see if anyone else had questions or was willing to report on using a GEOM RAID root device. Nobody had. So... here's the basic recipe. First I did a minimal install to one of the two disks in a 512M root. I think 256M would be enough for that, but the disks are just so bloody huge. Anyways... then I booted from the fix-it CD to try to mirror up the 'a' partition. Gmirror on the fix-it CD appears to be impotent. It appears to have only 'help', 'list', 'load' and 'unload' as commands. Not useful. Since I had a few spare disks around, I loaded a default load onto one and tried again. The disklabel created by sysinstall had the 'a' pertition starting at 0. Creating a gmirror starting at the beginning of a disk or ending at the end seems to break things, and it did here. Gmirror (the kernel module) seems to find the provider as the parent (say ad4s1) instead of the child (ad4s1a). So I used 'dump' to image 'a' and then I relabeled and repartioned the disk to start 'a' at block 64. gmirror on this worked and formatting it and restoring to it are fine. Now... you do need to mount this filesystem and edit a few things. geom_mirror_load=YES needs to be in /boot/loader.conf Your fstab will likely need to look like: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/mirror/cs-swap none swap sw 0 0 /dev/mirror/cs-root / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/mirror/cs-var /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/mirror/cs-usr /usr ufs rw 2 2 ... obviously substituting your own geom mirror names. Note that using a geom swap requires swapoff="YES" in /etc/rc.conf But otherwise, this all seems to work ... even without the nasty recalculation of the fake 'a' partition required by vinum. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 04:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EC316A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mp2.macomnet.net (mp2.macomnet.net [195.128.64.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A559E43D45 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:34:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from maxim@macomnet.ru) Received-SPF: pass (mp2.macomnet.net: domain of maxim@macomnet.ru designates 127.0.0.1 as permitted sender) receiver=mp2.macomnet.net; client_ip=127.0.0.1; envelope-from=maxim@macomnet.ru; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp2.macomnet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j124XuFX047240; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:34:00 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from maxim@macomnet.ru) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:33:56 +0300 (MSK) From: Maxim Konovalov To: Yoshiaki Kasahara In-Reply-To: <20050202.130929.172616894.kasahara@nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20050202073333.F47100@mp2.macomnet.net> References: <20050202.130929.172616894.kasahara@nc.kyushu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (207/050201) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard (4/030526) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking - Keywords (2/030321) X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.0.0 [0124], SpamtestISP/Release cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_5 IPFW misbehavior X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:34:02 -0000 On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, 13:09+0900, Yoshiaki Kasahara wrote: > Hello, > > Could anyone please review kern/71910 and kern/73129 to fix IPFW > behavior before 5.4R? I have trouble using ipfw for output interface > selection after migrated to 5.x... AFAIK andre@ is working on them. -- Maxim Konovalov From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 05:16:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF69416A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:16:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EABE43D3F for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:16:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1150370rne for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=j2ExVsXdsPulPdpcCnxRwKu+B0ma6ZDzcEgbLO6zfKdWhwmxFdiXy52JJ8tM7ZdJCycco8kPezBkbAxvHpe8oHgKRWq4C/lXMIvXsXWU5Qwxh1jhQvVD/U+1ROxCIColfVTiZIbqRZSkshnWKW9BDn3o36aYHEKji2Mv82H/T2Y= Received: by 10.38.161.28 with SMTP id j28mr214531rne; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.1.22 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0502012116fecb8d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:16:45 +0000 From: Chris To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a0502012116458a6154@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3aaaa3a0501060612502ce616@mail.gmail.com> <20050106223854.GA97444@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a0501081243395726d2@mail.gmail.com> <20050121175219.GA9829@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a050121124314b6d041@mail.gmail.com> <20050201031509.GA32624@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a05020105184b175d4b@mail.gmail.com> <20050201153718.GA43352@technokratis.com> <3aaaa3a0502012116458a6154@mail.gmail.com> Subject: re: mbufs on 5.3-STABLE possible bug X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:16:46 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:16:00 +0000 Subject: Re: mbufs on 5.3-STABLE possible bug To: Bosko Milekic 0 is supposed to mean unlimited, whilst leaving it blank(commented out) is auto. Or at least the docs say that. If I am wrong the docs need updating and it is defenitly a bug as netstat -m output is different. Chris On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:37:18 -0500, Bosko Milekic wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:18:38PM +0000, Chris wrote: > > Sorry, yes have tried it, I am still seeing a negative perofrmance > > difference with the setting on 0 but the gap is greatly reduced and > > its something that is a lot more acceptable, at most it has been 10% > > worse then if left on auto or set to a value. Let me know if there is > > any specific types of tests you want doing. > > > > Chris > > I'm not sure I understand. Setting it to zero _means_ "auto." > > I'll likely commit the patch. Thanks. > > -- > Bosko Milekic > bmilekic@technokratis.com > bmilekic@FreeBSD.org > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 07:08:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C84216A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:08:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0600343D4C for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:08:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrei@kableu.com) Received: from h-69-3-24-20.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.24.20] helo=mail.kableu.com) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CwEcf-0004iY-00; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:08:21 -0800 Received: from warrior.kableu.com (warrior.kableu.com [192.168.0.1]) by mail.kableu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E392BC0DB; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by warrior.kableu.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 91FC911467; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:08:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:08:20 -0800 From: Andrew Konstantinov To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050202070820.GA26302@warrior.kableu.com> References: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> <20050131144706.A10254@carver.gumbysoft.com> <20050201012056.GA47334@warrior.kableu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050201012056.GA47334@warrior.kableu.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: 5.3 -> 5 : sshd multiple log entries & login_getclass: unknown class 'root' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:08:23 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:20:56PM -0800, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:49:09PM -0800, Doug White wrote: > > Be aware that it was a weekend in the US yesterday so the people likely= to > > answer your question were probably out having fun, which is why you did= n't > > get an answer in 24 hours. Paitience, grasshopper. :) > >=20 > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: > >=20 > > > As the topic says, I've experienced some unusual sshd behavior after = I moved > > > some of my systems from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5 recently. The unusuali= ty of the > > > behavior is illustrated by the following exerpt from the /var/log/aut= h.log on > > > the RELENG_5 system: > > > > > > Jan 29 14:53:38 mail sshd[699]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' > >=20 > > I can't reproduce this on my systems, many of which started at 5.3 and = now > > build 5-stable. Are you using the system ssh or one you built from por= ts? > >=20 > > What is the output of 'ls -l /etc/login.conf*'? I knew I wasn't hallucinating. When I rebuild and reinstall src/lib/libc fr= om RELENG_5_3 sources on RELENG_5 system, all of the above problems disappear altogether. The bugs are in the dynamically linked library that sshd relies= on. Once the new library is in place and "/etc/rc.d/sshd restart" is performed,= the bugs disappear. I don't have time to dig into that right now, but I'll be b= ack with patches. Andrew P.S. And nobody believed me, you people! :) --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCAHxkg+6MtxSjexcRAnuoAKCoku86mY+5LkVOSx9Fc7D/YtLd8wCdGnPA 21pYxhQCtLI1FOdG/s4Evpw= =5kLt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 07:15:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1569E16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:15:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web54006.mail.yahoo.com (web54006.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8513B43D6B for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:15:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spamrefuse@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76885 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 07:15:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mpMg3vsLzSAXLAK7dggqcq6Jo8lCIwiuwFG8AMhsbUcceWV/pWR9LHf0B2s1S/qr3GsXIlQ/7jx8aSI3EDFlG1z/+/E6hAFCGoTXd573UNpO/vjmz8tM+nmvRxFhPP2SRVYvEUdin47bL5yyOUCFfQRw0sK3Pk1GE9eC9Ajwtw8= ; Message-ID: <20050202071539.76883.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.46.44.181] by web54006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:15:39 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rob To: FreeBSD Stable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Disk operation fails since 5.3 for newer harddisks and older motherboards X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:15:41 -0000 Hi, I had several PCs running 4.10, when I gradually upgraded them to 5.3. Occassionally I had great difficulties, which appeared to be somehow related to the motherboard, the harddisk and the UDMA selection...... or something like that (sorry, I'm not an expert on this!). All PCs have just simple harddisks; no such things as RIAD, SCSI, but simply IDE connected disks. Emperically, I have come to following conclusions: Big problems occurred always when the motherboard is older (supporting only UDMA66 or less), and the harddisk newer (being able to handle UDMA100). When going ahead with regular FreeBSD 5.3 installation, this ended with kernel panic at bootup after installation, or, on another PC, with odd behavior after boot (e.g. X kept crashing for no reason). These problems always got solved by manually adding to /boot/loader.conf: hw.ata.ata_dma="0" This fix also implies, that the harddisk seemed to be forced to operate at PIO4 speed, although UDMA66 should be possible in this case. Apparently it's the motherboard-harddisk speed mismatch, which FreeBSD 5.3 cannot handle decently. When motherboard and harddisk speeds match (both new, or both old), there are not such problems as mentioned above. Any other people with this experience? Any idea why such problems suddenly pop up with 5.3? Regards, Rob. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 08:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C472716A51A; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:35:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ares.wolfpond.org (ns1.wolfpond.org [62.212.96.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F3A43D31; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:35:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ftigeot@wolfpond.org) Received: from aoi.wolfpond.org (aoi.wolfpond.org [IPv6:2001:7a8:24db:1:20c:76ff:feb4:27e1]) by ares.wolfpond.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j128ZMQ9054721; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:35:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ftigeot@aoi.wolfpond.org) Received: from aoi.wolfpond.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoi.wolfpond.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j128ZTWI056660; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:35:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ftigeot@aoi.wolfpond.org) Received: (from ftigeot@localhost) by aoi.wolfpond.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j128ZTTZ056659; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:35:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ftigeot) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:35:29 +0100 From: Francois Tigeot To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20050202083529.GA55571@aoi.wolfpond.org> References: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:35:26 -0000 On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 09:43:03PM -0500, Ken Smith wrote: > > Just a heads-up to say that the 5.4 release activities will begin towards > the end of February, with an expected release date of April 4th. Will there be a MFC of the ata code ? SATA-II controllers are beginning to show up quite often these days... -- Francois Tigeot From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 11:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA68016A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:20:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl (82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl [82.168.140.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D213443D31 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:20:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rene@82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl) Received: from 82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j12BNFEg076076 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:23:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rene@82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl) Received: (from rene@localhost)j12BNDBv076067 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:23:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rene) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:23:12 +0100 From: Rene Ladan To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050202112312.GA75355@82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: libpthread lock assertion failed X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:20:50 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, when trying to build gtksourceview-sharp-0.5 by hand (it isn't in the ports yet), I got the following lock assertion failure: Assertion failed: (lu->lu_myreq->lr_owner =3D=3D lu), function _lock_acquir= e, file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/sys/lock.c, line 171. [snip file] * * $FreeBSD: src/lib/libpthread/sys/lock.c,v 1.8 2003/11/04 20:01:38 deisch= en Exp $ */ [snip file] /* * Acquire a lock waiting (spin or sleep) for it to become available. */ void _lock_acquire(struct lock *lck, struct lockuser *lu, int prio) { int i; int lval; /** * XXX - We probably want to remove these checks to optimize * performance. It is also a bug if any one of the=20 * checks fail, so it's probably better to just let it * SEGV and fix it. */ #if 0 if (lck =3D=3D NULL || lu =3D=3D NULL || lck->l_head =3D=3D NULL) return; #endif if ((lck->l_type & LCK_PRIORITY) !=3D 0) { LCK_ASSERT(lu->lu_myreq->lr_locked =3D=3D 1); LCK_ASSERT(lu->lu_myreq->lr_watcher =3D=3D NULL); LCK_ASSERT(lu->lu_myreq->lr_owner =3D=3D lu); <-- this one LCK_ASSERT(lu->lu_watchreq =3D=3D NULL); lu->lu_priority =3D prio; } This was after [configure/gmake blah] /usr/local/bin/mcs --unsafe --target library /pkg:gtk-sharp /pkg:gnome-shar= p \ generated/*.cs ./GtkSourceView.cs ./AssemblyInfo.cs -o gtksourceview-sharp.= dll Apart from the failed compilation, there seems to be no further harm. Environment: /var/db/pkg drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 1 19:50 gecko-sharp-0.6_2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 1 19:51 gtk-sharp-1.0.4_2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 2 02:51 mono-1.0.5_1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 1 19:51 monodoc-1.0.5_1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 1 20:58 gtk-1.2.10_12 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 1 22:01 gtk-2.4.14_2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 1 19:51 gtksourceview-1.1.91 with a cleanly installed 5.3BETA7 upgraded to FreeBSD 82-168-140-74-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #8: Mon Jan 31 01:58:50 CET 2005 root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/RENE i386 Just for your information. Regards, Rene --=20 "It won't fit on the line." -- me, 2001 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCALggvz70qa4zXcwRAi1AAKCPPq8PV8pB2BqoyxxurTGMgUE3KQCeJvT6 TO/d+X2a4LB1q85yzm3WefE= =KH2i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 12:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4F316A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:57:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pinus.cc.fer.hr (pinus.cc.fer.hr [161.53.73.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D075D43D41 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:57:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Received: from [161.53.72.113] (lara.cc.fer.hr [161.53.72.113]) by pinus.cc.fer.hr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j12Cvt5B021797 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:57:55 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <4200CE27.9040304@fer.hr> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:57:11 +0100 From: Ivan Voras User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041213) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org References: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:57:57 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/todo.html Is SCHED_ULE abandoned for 5.x? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 13:33:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F29F16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server26.ilap.com (server26-main.ilap.com [216.223.128.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC59D43D1D for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:33:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from horechuk@csolve.net) Received: from [165.215.248.30] ([216.223.150.66]) Power (tm) * http://ilap.com/ (tm)) with ESMTP id j12DX5D03532; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:33:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4200D6CB.5080605@csolve.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:34:03 -0500 From: Paul Horechuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050107 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Brian Clapper , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <200502011849.15143.horechuk@csolve.net> <200502020143.j121hWuk032353@condor.inside.clapper.org> In-Reply-To: <200502020143.j121hWuk032353@condor.inside.clapper.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: libjava.so not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: horechuk@csolve.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:33:09 -0000 Brian Clapper wrote: On 1 February, 2005, at 18:49 (-0500) Paul Horechuk [1] wrote: During make of openoffice-1.1 make -DWITHOUT_MOZILLA ============= Building project sandbox ============= /usr2/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/sandbox/com/sun/star/lib/sandbox mkout -- version: 1.3 Making dpj... ------------------------------ Making: ../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/misc/lib_sandbox.dpc dmake subdmake=true -f makefile.mk product="full" depend=t ALLDPC ------------------------------ No Dependencies javac -classpath ".:../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/class:/usr/local/jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/rt.jar:." -d ../../../../../unxfbsd.pro/class AudioProxy.java Cachable.java ClassContext.java ClassContextImpl.java ClassContextProxy.java CodeSource.java Disposable.java ExecutionContext.java Holder.javaImageProducerProxy.java JarEntry.java JarInputStream.java Permission.java PermissionCollection.java ProtectionDomain.java Resource.java ResourceImpl.java ResourceProxy.java ResourceViewer.java SandboxMessageHandler.java SandboxThreadGroup.java SandboxSecurity.java SandboxSecurityException.java WeakRef.java WeakTable.java WeakEntry.java XImage.java Error: could not find libjava.so Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. [ ... ] Paul, My guess is that it's happening when the OpenOffice build is attempting to invoke the Java compiler. I suggest posting this to the freebsd-java mailing list. It's an open issue with the 1.5.0 JDK, which is what you appear to be invoking. Basically, if you've installed the 1.5 JDK port, you can't invoke java without using its full path. That is, $ /usr/local/jdk1.5.0/bin/java works fine. But $ java fails, producing exactly the errors you saw: $ java Error: could not find libjava.so Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. In my case, $ java -version does work, and it properly reports the version info. I did try to back out the 1.5.0 version and install 1.4.2, but ran into too many problems with the bootstrapping issue. It couldn't find a previous version of the required SDK. I do have the linux-java SDK installed. I was just hoping a symlink where oo was looking would be sufficient. Someone reported this error on the freebsd-java list, and I noted that I can reproduce it here, as well. No one has responded, so I imagine it doesn't affect everyone. But one more voice doesn't hurt. Note that this problem, whatever it is (and I haven't had time to dig) does NOT affect the 1.4.2 JDK. A workaround for your immediate problem might be to install the 1.4.2 JDK port. -Brian Brian Clapper, [2]http://www.clapper.org/bmc/ "A witty saying proves nothing." -- Voltaire Thanks for the help. I'll repost in freebsd-java. References 1. mailto:horechuk@csolve.net 2. http://www.clapper.org/bmc/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 16:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8231C16A4DD for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:01:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E519C43D48 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:01:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alexjeffburke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so39404wra for ; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:00:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TkiQ4dY+9fV+MPqNr0IRYZZ3cYQWXbCBDO0LZMf/AJ505sNqyM8i0umNRGsudm15TsCLuSXC82lq7NcqRGkociZ5NPb0dzmZn15j/pzP8vStdFomAtJWCX674cfX7FwLDVOYLKex/5JLFTelEIqP667qQmcnYeNHn1iLi6r4ehY= Received: by 10.54.30.70 with SMTP id d70mr39233wrd; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.53 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:00:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:00:36 +0000 From: Alex Burke To: FreeBSD STABLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD 4.11 kernel panic X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Burke List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:01:12 -0000 Hi, Firstly thank you for your help with my other problem on 5.3. This one is slightly more distressing to me and concerns 4.11-STABLE. I was trying to install FreeBSD 4.11 on the server mentioned in theother article because of some stability advice about 5.3, and I started getting odd probelms. Firstly, the installation program kept stopping after it had downloaded a little or none of the base distribution from the FreeBSD ftp servers (ftp.freebsd.org and ftp./uk.freebsd.org were both tried). After a number of restarts, the installation got further until at the bottom of the main console I saw the following (I am guessing the first word should be panic, but): anic: vwakeup: neg numoutput syncing disks...ips: WARNING: command timeout. Adapter in toaster mode, resetting to knwon state ips0: reinitializing adapter, this could take several minutes. ips0: syncing config ips0: ERROR: unable to get command! cant sync cache! ips0: adapter clear failed ips0: AIEE! adapter reset failed, giving up and going home! Have a nice day. Should I report this as a bug? I am not sure because I dont know what vwakeup is. Thanks in advance for your help, Alex Burke. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 19:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394E16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp05.web.de (smtp05.web.de [217.72.192.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C5B43D2D for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:46:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nakal@web.de) Received: from [217.225.226.126] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp05.web.de with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.103 #192) id 1CwQS4-0007ao-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:46:12 +0100 From: Martin To: FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:46:09 +0100 Message-Id: <1107373569.804.17.camel@klotz.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nakal@web.de X-Sender: nakal@web.de Subject: Remote panic with ath(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:46:13 -0000 Hi, there is a way to crash a connected wireless box running with ath(4) by using another one with an ath(4) interface in hostap mode. Steps to reproduce: # ifconfig ath0 powersavesleep 0 # ping The panic is in: ath_beacon_config() Problem: Fatal trap 18: integer divide fault while in kernel mode on the wireless client uname shows: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Sat Jan 29 19:30:55 CET 2005 i386 Martin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 21:54:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D67416A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:54:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.sectornotfound.com (mail.sectornotfound.com [209.139.233.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77D943D3F for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:54:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eli@gopostal.ca) Received: from hannibal.int.sectornotfound.com (hannibal.int.sectornotfound.com [192.168.98.3])j12LsiD4099647 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eli@gopostal.ca) Received: from [192.168.3.212] (gw.activestate.com [209.17.183.249]) (authenticated bits=0)j12Lsi8o018145 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:54:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eli@gopostal.ca) Message-ID: <42014C9B.7090609@gopostal.ca> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:56:43 -0800 From: "Eli K. Breen" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:54:46 -0000 I'm running in to an issue where I can't set the clock on a machine because the secure level was bumped to 2 before the clock was set. Unfortunately adjustments are now clamped to < 1s. Is there any way I can force ntpd to adjust the clock by say, 1s every two seconds or at least something more frequent than 0.128 ms / update? Lastly this machine is in production and cannot be rebooted. Cheers, -Eli From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 00:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE7116A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:05:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F143D3F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:05:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from number6.magda.ca ([67.68.50.146]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20050203000530.YFWJ19622.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@number6.magda.ca>; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:05:30 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.132] (gandalf.magda.ca [192.168.1.132]) by number6.magda.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1305PoN001977; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:05:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) In-Reply-To: <42014C9B.7090609@gopostal.ca> References: <42014C9B.7090609@gopostal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <64c5e2ba1167d18c672dadc0c93a0879@ee.ryerson.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Magda Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:05:27 -0500 To: "Eli K. Breen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Magda List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:05:32 -0000 On Feb 2, 2005, at 16:56, Eli K. Breen wrote: > Lastly this machine is in production and cannot be rebooted. Stop the NTP daemon and restart it so that it uses the "-x" option. From ntpd(8): > -x Normally, the time is slewed if the offset is less than > the step > threshold, which is 128 ms by default, and stepped if > above the > threshold. This option forces the time to be slewed in > all > cases. If the step threshold is set to zero, all offsets > are > stepped, regardless of value and regardless of the -x > option. In > general, this is not a good idea, as it bypasses the > clock state > machine which is designed to cope with large time and > frequency > errors Note: Since the slew rate is limited to 0.5 ms/s, > each > second of adjustment requires an amortization interval of > 2000 s. > Thus, an adjustment of many seconds can take hours or > days to > amortize. This option can be used with the -q option. When you restart it make sure it's done with all the CLI options it has now, with the addition of the "-x". From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 04:59:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104F816A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B4843D3F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:59:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) j134xau3015974; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j134xZkW015971; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:59:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:59:35 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20050203045935.GA15703@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> <4200CE27.9040304@fer.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4200CE27.9040304@fer.hr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 04:59:42 -0000 On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 01:57:11PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > Ken Smith wrote: > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/todo.html > > Is SCHED_ULE abandoned for 5.x? I wouldn't go as far as to say that but at the moment there are no plans to make changes in the default scheduler for 5.4. A lot of work has been done on it since 5.3 came out so we may 'advertise' it a bit in the release notes and encourage people to start trying it again. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 09:02:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B7916A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.ntmk.ru (mail.ntmk.ru [217.114.241.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553E643D1F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:02:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@ntmk.ru) Received: from boris.nikom.ru ([10.1.16.195]) by mail.ntmk.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CwcsB-0002Uo-DZ for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:01:59 +0500 Message-ID: <4201E887.9070608@ntmk.ru> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:01:59 +0500 From: Boris Kovalenko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041228) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: rcorder X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:02:02 -0000 Hello! Will rcorder on /usr/local/etc/rc.d problem solved before the 5.4 release? Or it will be still run only for /etc/rc.d? -- With respect, Boris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 10:54:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5979816A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:54:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pinus.cc.fer.hr (pinus.cc.fer.hr [161.53.73.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8185D43D2F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:54:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Received: from [161.53.72.113] (lara.cc.fer.hr [161.53.72.113]) by pinus.cc.fer.hr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j13Asl5B007163 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:54:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <420202CA.2010302@fer.hr> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:54:02 +0100 From: Ivan Voras User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041213) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org References: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> <4200CE27.9040304@fer.hr> <20050203045935.GA15703@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <20050203045935.GA15703@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:54:49 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 01:57:11PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > >>Ken Smith wrote: >> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/todo.html >> >>Is SCHED_ULE abandoned for 5.x? > > > I wouldn't go as far as to say that but at the moment there are no plans > to make changes in the default scheduler for 5.4. A lot of work has been > done on it since 5.3 came out so we may 'advertise' it a bit in the release > notes and encourage people to start trying it again. Ok, so the plan is to MFC the changes into RELENG_5? AFAIK, the ULE code in RELENG_5 is still the same as in 5.3-release. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 11:48:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9757D16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:48:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B7743D1D for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:48:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (zebixs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13BmjID034613 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:48:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j13BmiTM034612; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:48:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:48:45 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200502031148.j13BmiTM034612@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <42014C9B.7090609@gopostal.ca> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:48:47 -0000 Eli K. Breen wrote: > I'm running in to an issue where I can't set the clock on a machine > because the secure level was bumped to 2 before the clock was set. > Unfortunately adjustments are now clamped to < 1s. Is there any way I > can force ntpd to adjust the clock by say, 1s every two seconds or at > least something more frequent than 0.128 ms / update? No. (It's 0.5 ms/s, not 0.128 ms/s, BTW.) The ntpd(8) manpage says: | The maximum slew rate possible is limited to 500 parts-per-million | (PPM) as a consequence of the correctness principles on which the | NTP protocol and algorithm design are based. As a result, the local | clock can take a long time to converge to an acceptable offset, about | 2,000 s for each second the clock is outside the acceptable range. | During this interval the local clock will not be consistent with any | other network clock and the system cannot be used for distributed | applications that require correctly synchronized network time. So your choices are to reboot, or to wait until the local clock is synchronized again. You didn't mention how far off your clock is, so I can't tell how long it will take. The maximum slew rate is 1.8 seconds per hour, so if your clock is off by half a minute, it will take about 17 hours to get back in sync. If you can't wait, you'll have to reboot. Best regards Oliver PS: You need to specify the -x option to ntpd, so it does not try to step the clock by more than 1 second. -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 Mnchen Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success." -- Dennis M. Ritchie. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 22:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DC716A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from marvin.muc.de (marvin.muc.de [193.149.48.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85B3F43D46 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:34:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from 520015583371-0001@t-online.de) Received: (qmail 10212 invoked by alias); 2 Feb 2005 22:34:17 -0000 Delivered-To: mods-muc-lists-freebsd-stable@moderators.muc.de Received: (qmail 10186 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 22:34:17 -0000 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com (194.25.134.84) by marvin.muc.de with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 22:34:17 -0000 Received: from imh00.t-online.com by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CwT4i-0008Cu-00; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:34:16 +0100 Received: from news.t-online.com by imh00.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CwT4i-00016Q-00; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:34:16 +0100 Received: from news by news.t-online.com with local id 1CwT4i-0005zy-00; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:34:16 +0100 To: muc-lists-freebsd-stable@moderators.muc.de Path: news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dorian_B=FCttner?= Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.stable Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:34:47 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <200501311856.48368.max@love2party.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1107383656 00 23015 YoZOrtDLBXYWISS 050202 22:34:16 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: GWfWS6ZYgeMu-azB5A-EnGgVhfhgE08QOHGYaDgg8YUMbXQd5ldAUY User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en In-Reply-To: <200501311856.48368.max@love2party.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:34:05 +0000 Subject: Re: AW: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:34:20 -0000 > EVERYBODY: Could you please check if you have a rl(4) driven NIC and check if > you experienced a speed degradation as well. Please let me know either way > with information about the chipset on your NIC. Thanks! Hi, I'm using several 8139 NICs, all of them do good :) since 5.3 I'm every now and then having some "...discarding oversize packet frame...1542..." (something similar) on the console but some serious downspeed hasn't bothered my notice yet. If you need some details or so let me know by cc please, I'm not reading this group on a very regular basis. Regards, Dorian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 14:03:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E5E16A4CF for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:03:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F097943D5F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:03:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so212212rnz for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:03:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rvudPH9d2P9Gnp0xuNi7zIYs54ps1wyzPPFKRMRaF5ft8t+IfACmQpCH/ygqc44KcP8C5XDEc5TqRmy7RqRGpI1yhauQpCI8+87VHOmoQBqpc4mEcilISvwkLSiBvp1rn0yCQgJBpQ8iMLA00T5WBbWdw9FKBdcBTvYsY6bVRv8= Received: by 10.38.206.45 with SMTP id d45mr50979rng; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.44 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:03:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <89b41e47050203060356e3cf1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:03:34 +0200 From: Daniel To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: share lists of spammers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:03:37 -0000 Hi all, I know this is quite off topic for this lists, I was wondering if you guys will agree to share your anti-spam softwares' spam lists... the reason is obvious... Especially for SpamAssasin... Thank, Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 14:03:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5EB16A4D2 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105FC43D41 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:03:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so212233rnz for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:03:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XNd6zcchmDhs3E8pEgYa1NH61Ua2O9esxDxH6kYiSNfahYTXu0ELuBhgU5O8c0EyCCqeFDIHigpk9oAQfOLWjDoz7NNe2uMSaPpI6EdtfDhh/2EFOajfkbHLBp4w5H0ZPtAw+HYcQw+Irhlqt7EOZzhZsI6hcULecArbB6HfAnU= Received: by 10.38.179.66 with SMTP id b66mr51604rnf; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.44 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <89b41e470502030603438f759e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:03:53 +0200 From: Daniel To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: share lists of spammers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:03:55 -0000 Hi all, I know this is quite off topic for this lists, I was wondering if you guys will agree to share your anti-spam softwares' spam lists... the reason is obvious... Especially for SpamAssasin... Thanks, Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 15:39:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2B916A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:39:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B1943D55 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:39:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so219405rnz for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:39:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=b6+GZYnKEHkJdx0ev9PMW5TbSaL7Gh8Rhxxd1+gtlPp0x1WIBMnxB1fePVmp5kBcBA1v7pob90G368n1785cwXw1Pj12eg2kieBP7GEzOY3ERdb4Ix32Bq22Hde3S0MdRxJb17zTerLGDRXMm5fYofQCocjf5kywzO3CJKCwHLU= Received: by 10.38.206.45 with SMTP id d45mr3391rng; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.44 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:39:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <89b41e470502030739497472fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:39:53 +0200 From: Daniel To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050203143018.GB15447@ei.bzerk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <89b41e470502030603438f759e@mail.gmail.com> <20050203143018.GB15447@ei.bzerk.org> Subject: Re: share lists of spammers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:39:54 -0000 I'm sorry if I was annoying, i hit send and then saw that i wrote "Thank", instead of "Thanks" and I thought to be polite.... On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:30:18 +0100, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > Spamming multiple lists with multiple copies of the same off-topic > messages is good enough a reason to get you on my spam list. > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 04:03:53PM +0200, Daniel typed: > > Hi all, I know this is quite off topic for this lists, I was wondering > > if you guys will agree to share your anti-spam softwares' spam > > lists... > > > > the reason is obvious... > > > > Especially for SpamAssasin... > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 17:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86ED416A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFFD43D2D for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:46:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cwl3g-0003sy-00; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:46:24 +0100 Received: from [217.227.157.20] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cwl3f-0003Ik-00; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:46:24 +0100 From: Max Laier To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:46:13 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501311856.48368.max@love2party.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5623952.LjebyuZ3Vu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502031846.21818.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: Dorian =?iso-8859-1?q?B=FCttner?= Subject: Re: AW: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:46:25 -0000 --nextPart5623952.LjebyuZ3Vu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 02 February 2005 23:34, Dorian B=FCttner wrote: > > EVERYBODY: Could you please check if you have a rl(4) driven NIC and > > check if you experienced a speed degradation as well. Please let me kn= ow > > either way with information about the chipset on your NIC. Thanks! > > Hi, > I'm using several 8139 NICs, all of them do good :) > since 5.3 I'm every now and then having some "...discarding oversize > packet frame...1542..." (something similar) on the console but some > serious downspeed hasn't bothered my notice yet. > If you need some details or so let me know by cc please, I'm not reading > this group on a very regular basis. PR kern/61448 might apply to you. Can you try the diff offered there and=20 follow-up with your findings? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dkern/61448 Thanks. =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --nextPart5623952.LjebyuZ3Vu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCAmNtXyyEoT62BG0RAuWWAJ9WZYOiaWVXz3+53XxswWi9IJWZNwCfegro ZWqG1dgBYJqohL2cG4dFcbQ= =aGAa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5623952.LjebyuZ3Vu-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 17:56:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA1B16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:56:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.sectornotfound.com (mail.sectornotfound.com [209.139.233.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC1143D41 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:56:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eli@gopostal.ca) Received: from hannibal.int.sectornotfound.com (hannibal.int.sectornotfound.com [192.168.98.3])j13HuYUF008287; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:56:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eli@gopostal.ca) Received: from [192.168.98.10] (S010600c0df22da06.vc.shawcable.net [24.84.229.137]) (authenticated bits=0)j13HuYBE023232; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:56:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eli@gopostal.ca) Message-ID: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:56:34 -0800 From: "Eli K. Breen" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Magda References: <42014C9B.7090609@gopostal.ca> <64c5e2ba1167d18c672dadc0c93a0879@ee.ryerson.ca> In-Reply-To: <64c5e2ba1167d18c672dadc0c93a0879@ee.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:56:43 -0000 I'm not sure that this will cut it as it will days a very long time to adjust to the proper time. Is there any way to speed this up? -E- David Magda wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2005, at 16:56, Eli K. Breen wrote: > >> Lastly this machine is in production and cannot be rebooted. > > > Stop the NTP daemon and restart it so that it uses the "-x" option. From > ntpd(8): >> Note: Since the slew rate is limited to 0.5 ms/s, >> each >> second of adjustment requires an amortization interval of >> 2000 s. >> Thus, an adjustment of many seconds can take hours or >> days to >> amortize. This option can be used with the -q option. > > > When you restart it make sure it's done with all the CLI options it has > now, with the addition of the "-x". > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 18:03:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B97F16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:03:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from the-macgregors.org (82-33-59-105.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk [82.33.59.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B15743D31 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:03:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd.macgregor@blueyonder.co.uk) X-Urban-Legend: Mail headers contain urban legends Received: from fire (rob@fire.macgregor [192.168.32.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by the-macgregors.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j13I3NZR016534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:03:23 GMT Message-Id: <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> From: "Rob MacGregor" To: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:03:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> Thread-Index: AcUKGec+4U6JHD4XQju2UWBIMlZB4gAAJs6w X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: RE: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:03:27 -0000 On Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:57 PM, Eli K. Breen <> unleashed the infinite monkeys and produced: > I'm not sure that this will cut it as it will days a very long time to > adjust to the proper time. Is there any way to speed this up? Not within NTPd itself. You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s intervals. It's either that or drop the securelevel in rc.conf and reboot (then reset the securelevel). Of course, you probably want to make sure the hardware clock has a vaguely accurate idea of time. That'll help in future. -- Rob | Oh my God! They killed init! You bastards! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 18:34:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBC516A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:34:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEC743D2D for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:34:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (urahsr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13IYKjN050719 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:34:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j13IYKsl050718; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:34:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:34:20 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200502031834.j13IYKsl050718@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:34:23 -0000 Rob MacGregor wrote: > Eli K. Breen wrote: > > I'm not sure that this will cut it as it will days a very long time to > > adjust to the proper time. Is there any way to speed this up? > > Not within NTPd itself. You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s > intervals. Adding to that, the following /bin/sh snippet should do (untested!). You have to kill ntpd before. STEP=100 # number of seconds to step forward while [ $STEP -gt 0 ]; do date -f %s $(( `date +%s` + 1 )) sleep 1 STEP=$(( $STEP - 1 )) done It will take about 100 seconds to correct the clock forward by another 100 seconds. If you need to correct backwards, replace "+ 1" by "- 1". For different numbers of seconds to correct, replace the 100 in the first line. When you have approached the correct time sufficiently (i.e. within a few seconds), restart ntpd with the -x option. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 Mnchen Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "Documentation is like sex; when it's good, it's very, very good, and when it's bad, it's better than nothing." -- Dick Brandon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 18:52:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B84F16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:52:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE4043D39 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:52:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (uvqlwx@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13IqExV051628 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:52:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j13IqEQS051627; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:52:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:52:14 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200502031852.j13IqEQS051627@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200502031834.j13IYKsl050718@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:52:16 -0000 Sorry for replying to myself ... Oliver Fromme wrote: > Adding to that, the following /bin/sh snippet should do > (untested!). You have to kill ntpd before. > > STEP=100 # number of seconds to step forward > while [ $STEP -gt 0 ]; do > date -f %s $(( `date +%s` + 1 )) > sleep 1 > STEP=$(( $STEP - 1 )) > done > > It will take about 100 seconds to correct the clock forward > by another 100 seconds. If you need to correct backwards, > replace "+ 1" by "- 1". For different numbers of seconds > to correct, replace the 100 in the first line. > > When you have approached the correct time sufficiently (i.e. > within a few seconds), restart ntpd with the -x option. Stepping backwards with that script won't work, I guess, because the steps will be larger than 1 second. If you have to step backwards, try to replace the "date" line with these: NOW=`date +%s` sleep 0.9 date -f %s $NOW Again: it's untested. Also beware that it might be a very bad idea to step the time on a live multi-user system. Some programs don't like it at all. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 Mnchen Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "The scanf() function is a large and complex beast that often does something almost but not quite entirely unlike what you desired." -- Chris Torek From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 19:07:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2BD16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:07:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D097543D39 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:07:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dsl-213-023-059-220.arcor-ip.net [213.23.59.220]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E2D101608 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:07:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13J7Gkq068039 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:07:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j13J7GD6068038 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:07:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:07:21 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via: > #! /usr/bin/env perl Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which have /bin/env? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 19:36:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9D416A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBA343D31 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:36:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j13Jakiq050289; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:36:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:36:46 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Christian Weisgerber Message-ID: <20050203193646.GE65765@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:36:48 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 03), Christian Weisgerber said: > Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via: > > #! /usr/bin/env perl > > Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which > have /bin/env? Are there any systems that have a /bin/env (and that do not also have a /bin -> /usr/bin symlink)? -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 20:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF7D16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:33:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE5E43D48 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:33:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id j13KXYes005969; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.245] (nfw2.codefab.com [199.103.21.225] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0)j13KXW28021019; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:33:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48b93f67db4dbc3bcb49c2e1f7e302aa@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:33:32 -0500 To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:33:35 -0000 On Feb 3, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via: >> #! /usr/bin/env perl > > Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which > have /bin/env? Name one such system. [1] Hint: the path to env isn't going to change on a standards-compliant system for the same reason that /bin/sh is always found in the same place. See IEEE Std 1003.x-2001 ("POSIX"). -- -Chuck [1]: You might actually find a few very old, very broken versions of Linux which don't have a /bin/sh, only a /bin/bash. I've heard such creatures may have a /bin/env rather than a /usr/bin/env, too. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 20:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F39016A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:39:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CA043D3F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:39:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) j13KdYu3005576; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j13KdYIc005575; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:39:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:39:34 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20050203203934.GA5555@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20050202024303.GA10996@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu> <4200CE27.9040304@fer.hr> <20050203045935.GA15703@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <420202CA.2010302@fer.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420202CA.2010302@fer.hr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:39:38 -0000 On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > > Ok, so the plan is to MFC the changes into RELENG_5? AFAIK, the ULE code > in RELENG_5 is still the same as in 5.3-release. > That's correct. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 20:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF41516A4CE; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:53:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spider.deepcore.dk (cpe.atm2-0-53484.0x50a6c9a6.abnxx9.customer.tele.dk [80.166.201.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1EF43D41; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:53:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Received: from [194.192.25.143] (laptop.deepcore.dk [194.192.25.143]) by spider.deepcore.dk (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13KrBR0003036; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:53:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Message-ID: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:52:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'FreeBSD Current'" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-mail-scanned: by DeepCore Virus & Spam killer v1.6 Subject: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:53:17 -0000 ATA-mkIII first official snapshot. This is the much rumoured ATA update that I've been working on for some t= ime. It contains a number of new things, and lacks a few features of the old c= ode. New items include: o ATA is now fully newbus'd and split into modules. This means that on a modern system you just load "atapci and ata= " to get the base support, and then one or more of the device subdrivers "atadisk atapicd atapifd atapist ataraid". All can be loaded/unloaded anytime, but for obvious reasons you dont want to unload atadisk when you have mounted filesystems. o The device identify part of the probe has been rewritten to fix the problems with odd devices the old had, and to try to remove so of the long delays some HW could provoke. o SATA devices can be hot inserted/removed and devices will be crea= ted/ removed in /dev accordingly. NOTE only supported on controllers = that has this feature: Promise and Silicon Image for now. o ATA RAID support has been rewritten and and now supports these metadata formats: "Adaptec HostRAID" "Highpoint V2 RocketRAID" "Highpoint V3 RocketRAID" "Intel MatrixRAID" "Integrated Technology Express" "LSILogic V2 MegaRAID" "LSILogic V3 MegaRAID" "Promise FastTrak" "Silicon Image Medley" o The reinit code has been worked over to be much more robust. o The timeout code has been overhauled for races. o Lots of fixes for bugs found while doing the modulerization and reviewing the old code. Missing features form current ATA: o atapi-cd no longer has support for ATAPI changers. Todays its much cheaper and alot faster to copy those CD images to disk and serve them from there. Besides they dont seem to be made anymore, maybe for that exact reason. o ATA RAID can only read metadata not write them. This means that arrays can be picked up from the BIOS, but they cannot be create= d from FreeBSD. This is being worked on for the final release as i= s RAID5 support for Promise/Highpoing/SiI controllers. o The atapi-cam author has been informed and has had early access to this work but so far atapicam is not supported with these changes. However I do have my own atacam that puts both ATA and = ATAPI devices under CAM, but its really just academic at this point. And then there all the things that I've happily forgotten about :) The snapshot is available as a patch for RELENG_5 and for CURRENT, and a common tarfile of the new ATA code. http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-releng5.gz http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-current.gz http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.tar.gz Both patches and the tarfile is relative to /usr/src. You might want to remove the contents of sys/dev/ata/ before unpacking the tarfile. No changes are needed to your config file, unless you want ATA as modules= =2E As usual, even if it works on all the HW I have here in the lab, thats by= far not the same as it works on YOUR system. So use glowes and safety sho= es and if it breaks I dont want the pieces, but would like to hear the nifty= details on how exactly it got that way :) Enjoy! --=20 -S=F8ren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 20:55:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60E816A52C for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:55:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD8843D31 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dsl-213-023-059-220.arcor-ip.net [213.23.59.220]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321171350BB for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:55:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13Ktf2d071075 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:55:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from naddy@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j13KtfOq071074 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:55:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:55:41 +0100 From: Christian Weisgerber To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050203205541.GA70863@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <48b93f67db4dbc3bcb49c2e1f7e302aa@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48b93f67db4dbc3bcb49c2e1f7e302aa@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:55:46 -0000 Charles Swiger: > >Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which > >have /bin/env? > > Name one such system. [1] There was a discussion about this a few years ago on comp.unix.shell. Let's see... http://tinyurl.com/45zqx Ah, I see, the starting point was actually the reverse assumption that all systems had /bin/env. Somebody mentioned /sbin/env on Irix, but I don't know whether that was instead of /usr/bin/env or in addition to it. Of course I can always handwave in the direction of those hundreds of Linux distributions... -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 21:47:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563AB16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:47:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1443D54 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:47:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id j13Lli96007588; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.245] (nfw2.codefab.com [199.103.21.225] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0)j13LlgQx018104; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:47:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20050203205541.GA70863@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20050129202425.GA56998@heechee.tobez.org> <20050129220905.46ab86ae.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <41FBFDD9.7070605@mac.com> <48b93f67db4dbc3bcb49c2e1f7e302aa@mac.com> <20050203205541.GA70863@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1403e8b225dddda869253ef187f6cf5a@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:47:41 -0500 To: Christian Weisgerber X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:47:46 -0000 On Feb 3, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: [ ... ] > Ah, I see, the starting point was actually the reverse assumption > that all systems had /bin/env. Somebody mentioned /sbin/env on > Irix, but I don't know whether that was instead of /usr/bin/env or > in addition to it. > > Of course I can always handwave in the direction of those hundreds > of Linux distributions... Rather than pursue a discussion about systems which neither of us actually uses (or anyone else on this list, probably), I would be just as happy to acknowledge whatever it is your point was and let this thread die peacefully. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 22:17:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EC716A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:17:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD8D43D41 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:16:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so297708rne for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:16:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Yd5NdGP/Uk3G0Muezxy2qltGB3/6JRCrnTxpYZCht7uyXMBDGn0yGR9KHzsgqPh6eca0FmiyE8YnQ/AZDSauOOl4Ed1dZACRWg6jJZVsymS4FK5p/hBSkGgDEgUDb8hi5HG/bl+eXuk2VjKp+yFCwpz3uEpXGUzA23c304aGroU= Received: by 10.38.207.15 with SMTP id e15mr252746rng; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.1.22 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:16:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a05020314162827195d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:16:58 +0000 From: Chris To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: strange make problem with non root users 5.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:17:01 -0000 have a look at this compiling a eggdrop had the same with some other apps as well. Gazzeh@bollocks eggdrop1.6.17 # make config make: Permission denied Gazzeh@bollocks eggdrop1.6.17 # make config make: Permission denied Gazzeh@bollocks eggdrop1.6.17 # cd .. Gazzeh@bollocks Gazzeh # cd eggdrop1.6.17 Gazzeh@bollocks eggdrop1.6.17 # make config Detecting modules.................... done. Calculating dependencies................... done. Building ./src/mod/Makefile... done. As you can see make gave a weird perm denied error then I simply changed dir and back and the command suddenly works, I have worked out when this happens doing a new command and then trying again makes it work. Any idea what could cause this? -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 305232 Feb 3 19:43 /usr/bin/make Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 00:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05E216A4CE; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B19543D39; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:58:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j140wgkc059647; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost)j140wgOt059646; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:58:42 -0800 From: Steve Kargl To: S?ren Schmidt Message-ID: <20050204005841.GA59607@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: 'FreeBSD Current' cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:58:47 -0000 On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:52:57PM +0100, S?ren Schmidt wrote: > > As usual, even if it works on all the HW I have here in the lab, thats by > far not the same as it works on YOUR system. So use glowes and safety shoes > and if it breaks I dont want the pieces, but would like to hear the nifty > details on how exactly it got that way :) > THANK YOU! This is the first time since 7 Dec 04 that I've been able to boot a current -CURRENT on my Dell Inspiron 4150 laptop. -- Steve From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 02:41:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC0816A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:41:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0089243D1D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:41:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from caelian@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so347772rne for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:41:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mYtR3KAf3tIO4OxG24T6C0QEKL2eCyjLPCcXQgiF9W2YjMsv1ABKuu7O5FTzaMhdG4R+w2E0kEgS0Q1fTaAcVddnlBNfaPXCVhnMwVcAwhlKQBhMMRVQESeyH/h62I2qDh2Q+xtv/PxH+ZIOJaivL0fJ3yUgXjoIpP/OEkw7WTA= Received: by 10.38.11.60 with SMTP id 60mr73045rnk; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.89.69 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0800 From: Pascal Hofstee To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= In-Reply-To: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> cc: FreeBSD Current cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pascal Hofstee List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:41:21 -0000 On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:52:57 +0100, S=F8ren Schmidt wrote= : > ATA-mkIII first official snapshot. Using it without any problems on a few days old 6.0-CURRENT (P2 400 MHz) I decided to take the plunge and go for the kernel-module-approach. The only thing i was curious about is if there is any way to build the kernel-module using ATA_STATIC_ID .. (as i used to do in my normal kernel-configs) Beyond that, it works like a charm :) --=20 Pascal Hofstee From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 02:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4A316A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:58:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAE143D4C for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:58:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from caelian@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so349269rne for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:58:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mYjLobzkxglyZQmFTJkWAEH1MekfRQ7WWGg+376XQEPUAqglHxlhSBctoE+sNR9h1F354T4jc+AHCuSYP4hKpmEV+rP6IzNsGPwN7NB7B7jH+msp27yjSfL9wc1jTYG1F/zhtK24YqkZ7n8baAjsSuAVZZ7y2sp+VS6KoZgWUPs= Received: by 10.38.208.40 with SMTP id f40mr198806rng; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.89.69 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:58:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:58:20 -0800 From: Pascal Hofstee To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> cc: FreeBSD Current cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pascal Hofstee List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:58:27 -0000 On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0800, Pascal Hofstee wrote: > The only thing i was curious about is if there is any way to build the > kernel-module using ATA_STATIC_ID .. (as i used to do in my normal > kernel-configs) Ok .. I whacked myself with the proverbial clue-stick .. and simply put the ATA_STATIC_ID line back into my kernel-config. Even though i chose not to build ata-support not into the actual kernel the opt_ata.h file is of course still used in building the actual kernel-modules. Excuse the line noise :) -- Pascal Hofstee From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 05:11:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7C316A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:11:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DFE43D31 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:11:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB98372DD4; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ABF72DCB; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Andrew Konstantinov In-Reply-To: <20050202070820.GA26302@warrior.kableu.com> Message-ID: <20050203210643.T47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <20050130084359.GA36069@warrior.kableu.com> <20050201012056.GA47334@warrior.kableu.com> <20050202070820.GA26302@warrior.kableu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3 -> 5 : sshd multiple log entries & login_getclass: unknown class 'root' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:11:08 -0000 On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: > > > I can't reproduce this on my systems, many of which started at 5.3 and now > > > build 5-stable. Are you using the system ssh or one you built from ports? > > > > > > What is the output of 'ls -l /etc/login.conf*'? > > I knew I wasn't hallucinating. When I rebuild and reinstall src/lib/libc > from RELENG_5_3 sources on RELENG_5 system, all of the above problems > disappear altogether. The bugs are in the dynamically linked library > that sshd relies on. Once the new library is in place and > "/etc/rc.d/sshd restart" is performed, the bugs disappear. I don't have > time to dig into that right now, but I'll be back with patches. The simple fact stands that noone else can reproduce this, which leads me to believe you took a non-standard approach to upgrading, and therefore are getting what you asked for. :-) If you can provide exact reproduction steps, starting from bare metal, I'll follow them. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 05:18:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D1D16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E7743D2D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:18:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE9A772DD4; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA05172DCB; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:18:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: David Gilbert In-Reply-To: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> Message-ID: <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Geom RAID root report. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:18:24 -0000 On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, David Gilbert wrote: > Gmirror on the fix-it CD appears to be impotent. It appears to have > only 'help', 'list', 'load' and 'unload' as commands. Not useful. If you manually load the geom_mirror.ko kernel module it probably gets useful. Someone pointed out that there's a hardwired path in there somewhere so "load" will fail, but if you load the module manually then the commands become available. I'll have to test it. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 09:44:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1654616A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B91D43D31 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO optimator.noacks.org) (noacks@swbell.net@70.240.249.100 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 09:44:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430A26189; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 03:44:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00600-04; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 03:44:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from compgeek.noacks.org (compgeek [192.168.1.10]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA5C6166; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 03:44:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compgeek.noacks.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j149iUdV000824; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 03:44:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Message-ID: <420343FE.7060907@alumni.rice.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 03:44:30 -0600 From: Jon Noack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> In-Reply-To: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at noacks.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:44:37 -0000 On 02/03/05 14:52, Sren Schmidt wrote: > ATA-mkIII first official snapshot. > > This is the much rumoured ATA update that I've been working on for some > time. > > It contains a number of new things, and lacks a few features of the old > code. > > New items include: > > o ATA is now fully newbus'd and split into modules. > This means that on a modern system you just load "atapci and ata" > to get the base support, and then one or more of the device > subdrivers "atadisk atapicd atapifd atapist ataraid". > All can be loaded/unloaded anytime, but for obvious reasons you > dont want to unload atadisk when you have mounted filesystems. > > o The device identify part of the probe has been rewritten to fix > the problems with odd devices the old had, and to try to remove > so of the long delays some HW could provoke. > > o SATA devices can be hot inserted/removed and devices will be > created/ > removed in /dev accordingly. NOTE only supported on controllers > that > has this feature: Promise and Silicon Image for now. > > o ATA RAID support has been rewritten and and now supports these > metadata formats: > "Adaptec HostRAID" > "Highpoint V2 RocketRAID" > "Highpoint V3 RocketRAID" > "Intel MatrixRAID" > "Integrated Technology Express" > "LSILogic V2 MegaRAID" > "LSILogic V3 MegaRAID" > "Promise FastTrak" > "Silicon Image Medley" > > o The reinit code has been worked over to be much more robust. > > o The timeout code has been overhauled for races. > > o Lots of fixes for bugs found while doing the modulerization and > reviewing the old code. > > > Missing features form current ATA: > > o atapi-cd no longer has support for ATAPI changers. Todays its > much cheaper and alot faster to copy those CD images to disk > and serve them from there. Besides they dont seem to be made > anymore, maybe for that exact reason. > > o ATA RAID can only read metadata not write them. This means that > arrays can be picked up from the BIOS, but they cannot be created > from FreeBSD. This is being worked on for the final release as is > RAID5 support for Promise/Highpoing/SiI controllers. > > o The atapi-cam author has been informed and has had early access > to this work but so far atapicam is not supported with these > changes. However I do have my own atacam that puts both ATA and > ATAPI > devices under CAM, but its really just academic at this point. > > And then there all the things that I've happily forgotten about :) > > The snapshot is available as a patch for RELENG_5 and for CURRENT, and > a common tarfile of the new ATA code. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-releng5.gz > http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-current.gz > http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.tar.gz > > Both patches and the tarfile is relative to /usr/src. > You might want to remove the contents of sys/dev/ata/ before unpacking > the tarfile. > > No changes are needed to your config file, unless you want ATA as modules. > > As usual, even if it works on all the HW I have here in the lab, thats by > far not the same as it works on YOUR system. So use glowes and safety shoes > and if it breaks I dont want the pieces, but would like to hear the nifty > details on how exactly it got that way :) > > Enjoy! Running RELENG_5 on a dual P3 machine (Abit VP6). I am using the onboard HighPoint HPT370 and had both channels of the onboard VIA 82C686B disabled in the BIOS. It hung solidly during boot attempting to probe the VIA controller (detected a GENERIC IDE controller on isa0 or something like that). When I enabled the primary channel on the VIA in the BIOS, it zipped right through the boot like normal. Other than that hang, I have not noticed any problems during the course of normal (albeit limited) usage. Some quick dd runs with bs=2048 indicated 53MB/s read and 45MB/s write with a single Hitachi 7K250 drive. It's not a big deal to leave the VIA controller enabled (it doesn't share interrupts even without APIC), but ideally it should be ignored when disabled (ACPI issue?). If you'd like me to do more, let me know. Jon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 11:26:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7979C16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:26:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B5743D46 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:26:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 419BFDBBB; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 81CDD6374; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:26:48 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16899.23544.491158.188008@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:26:48 -0500 To: Doug White In-Reply-To: <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 16) "Corporate Culture" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: David Gilbert Subject: Re: Geom RAID root report. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:26:51 -0000 >>>>> "Doug" == Doug White writes: Doug> On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, David Gilbert wrote: >> Gmirror on the fix-it CD appears to be impotent. It appears to >> have only 'help', 'list', 'load' and 'unload' as commands. Not >> useful. Doug> If you manually load the geom_mirror.ko kernel module it Doug> probably gets useful. Someone pointed out that there's a Doug> hardwired path in there somewhere so "load" will fail, but if Doug> you load the module manually then the commands become available. Doug> I'll have to test it. I did that. This is not the case. If you run "gmirror help" when gmirror is not loaded, it does not load the module and it prints out a helpful list of things. If you do this on the fixit CD, it prints out a list of four commands: help, list, load and unload. Additionally, I loaded the kernel module manually from /dist/boot/kernel/geom_mirror.ko and this did not change the behaviour of the command. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 11:50:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E8716A4CF for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:50:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2605943D41 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:50:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (buffy.york.ac.uk [144.32.226.160]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14BoFKU024205; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:50:15 GMT Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14BoFtB009176; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:50:15 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j14BoEEB009175; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:50:14 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: buffy.york.ac.uk: ga9 set sender to gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk using -f From: Gavin Atkinson To: David Gilbert In-Reply-To: <16899.23544.491158.188008@canoe.dclg.ca> References: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> <16899.23544.491158.188008@canoe.dclg.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:50:14 +0000 Message-Id: <1107517814.8749.6.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Geom RAID root report. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:50:24 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 06:26 -0500, David Gilbert wrote: > >>>>> "Doug" == Doug White writes: > > Doug> On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, David Gilbert wrote: > >> Gmirror on the fix-it CD appears to be impotent. It appears to > >> have only 'help', 'list', 'load' and 'unload' as commands. Not > >> useful. > > Doug> If you manually load the geom_mirror.ko kernel module it > Doug> probably gets useful. Someone pointed out that there's a > Doug> hardwired path in there somewhere so "load" will fail, but if > Doug> you load the module manually then the commands become available. > Doug> I'll have to test it. > > I did that. This is not the case. If you run "gmirror help" when > gmirror is not loaded, it does not load the module and it prints out a > helpful list of things. If you do this on the fixit CD, it prints out > a list of four commands: help, list, load and unload. > > Additionally, I loaded the kernel module manually from > /dist/boot/kernel/geom_mirror.ko and this did not change the behaviour > of the command. The problem is that geom is hard coded to look for the userland libraries in /lib. Try symlinking /lib to /dist/lib Gavin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 14:08:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A800816A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FS.denninger.net (wsip-68-15-213-52.at.at.cox.net [68.15.213.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0892E43D5C for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:08:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j14E8FQF042447 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:08:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net [127.0.0.1] by Spamblock-sys; Fri Feb 4 08:08:15 2005 Received: (from karl@localhost) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j14E8E8J042445; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:08:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from karl) Message-ID: <20050204080814.A42372@denninger.net> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:08:14 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: Doug White , David Gilbert References: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com>; from Doug White on Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:18:23PM -0800 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers cheerfully broiled for supper and served with ketchup! cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Geom RAID root report. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:08:16 -0000 The easiest way is to chroot into the fixit CD's filesystem and then "gmirror load". That way the hardcoded path is correct and it works. You also need to mount devfs. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:18:23PM -0800, Doug White wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, David Gilbert wrote: > > > Gmirror on the fix-it CD appears to be impotent. It appears to have > > only 'help', 'list', 'load' and 'unload' as commands. Not useful. > > If you manually load the geom_mirror.ko kernel module it probably gets > useful. Someone pointed out that there's a hardwired path in there > somewhere so "load" will fail, but if you load the module manually then > the commands become available. I'll have to test it. > > -- > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > %SPAMBLOCK-SYS: Matched [freebsd], message ok From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 14:28:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5AD16A4CE; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:28:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from altus-escon.com (altesco.xs4all.nl [213.84.124.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBE443D1D; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:28:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ben@altesco.nl) Received: from [193.78.231.14] (benjoam.altus-escon.com [193.78.231.14]) by altus-escon.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14ESRql092131; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:28:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ben@altesco.nl) In-Reply-To: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ben Stuyts Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:28:21 +0100 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/591/Thu Nov 18 16:38:04 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on earth.altus-escon.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on earth.altus-escon.com cc: 'FreeBSD Current' cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:28:38 -0000 On 3 Feb 2005, at 21:52, S=F8ren Schmidt wrote: > o ATA RAID can only read metadata not write them. This means = that > arrays can be picked up from the BIOS, but they cannot be=20 > created > from FreeBSD. This is being worked on for the final release as=20= > is > RAID5 support for Promise/Highpoing/SiI controllers. Will RAID mirrors built using atacontrol on standard ata controllers=20 still work? Specifically in my case on 5.3-stable: atapci0: port=20 0xf000-0xf00f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 31.1 on=20 pci0 ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ad0: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata0-master=20 UDMA100 ad2: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata1-master=20 UDMA100 and: [aurora:~]138: sudo atacontrol status 0 ar0: ATA RAID1 subdisks: ad0 ad2 status: READY Thanks, Ben From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 16:14:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7158A16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from maul.lordsith.net (maul.lordsith.net [82.168.123.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BF343D1D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:14:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marco+freebsd-stable@lordsith.net) Received: by maul.lordsith.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C030F17051; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:14:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:14:15 +0100 From: Marco van Lienen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> Mail-Followup-To: Marco van Lienen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> Organization: DarkSide Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-GPG-Fingerprint: A025 D8AA AC1B D2FC 380D 4FC1 8EA0 0BA8 8580 E6CB X-Uptime: 11:29AM up 15 days, 21:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.01, 0.09, 0.09 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Marco van Lienen List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:14:17 -0000 On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:03:48PM -0000, Rob MacGregor wrote: > > Not within NTPd itself. You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s > intervals. It's either that or drop the securelevel in rc.conf and reboot (then > reset the securelevel). > > Of course, you probably want to make sure the hardware clock has a vaguely > accurate idea of time. That'll help in future. Isn't there a tool like hwclock for Linux? With this tool you can actually set the hardware clock to the current system time or vice versa. Just wondering. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 16:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B047216A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:38:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from the-macgregors.org (82-33-59-105.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk [82.33.59.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D60D43D31 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:38:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd.macgregor@blueyonder.co.uk) X-Urban-Legend: Mail headers contain urban legends Received: from fire (rob@fire.macgregor [192.168.32.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by the-macgregors.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j14Gctht023959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:38:55 GMT Message-Id: <200502041638.j14Gctht023959@the-macgregors.org> From: "Rob MacGregor" To: "'Marco van Lienen'" , Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:39:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-reply-to: <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> thread-index: AcUK1MmBrLzSQmfhT6O7bU2rzoA5qAAAzG2g X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: RE: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:38:57 -0000 On Friday, February 04, 2005 4:14 PM, Marco van Lienen <> unleashed the infinite monkeys and produced: > Isn't there a tool like hwclock for Linux? adjkerntz Don't have a FreeBSD box to reboot to find out whether it runs at startup and shutdown by default though. -- Rob | Oh my God! They killed init! You bastards! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 18:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F6B16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:33:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4167843D39 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:33:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 31C3B72DD4; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3F272DCB; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:33:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Marco van Lienen In-Reply-To: <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> Message-ID: <20050204102956.W53694@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:33:13 -0000 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Marco van Lienen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:03:48PM -0000, Rob MacGregor wrote: > > > > Not within NTPd itself. You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s > > intervals. It's either that or drop the securelevel in rc.conf and reboot (then > > reset the securelevel). > > > > Of course, you probably want to make sure the hardware clock has a vaguely > > accurate idea of time. That'll help in future. > > Isn't there a tool like hwclock for Linux? > With this tool you can actually set the hardware clock to the current system > time or vice versa. No; the kernel keeps the hardware clock in sync automatically. The problem is that you need to step the clock before incrementing securelevel. Once the clock is correct, you can increment securelevel with ntp running and it'll keep the clock on time. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 18:47:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D7216A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:47:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate2.dslextreme.com (mailgate2.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E8343D55 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:47:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from junk-it@dslextreme.com) Received: from mail5.dslextreme.com (unknown [192.168.7.93]) by mailgate2.dslextreme.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D733E3A63D7 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6503 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 18:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.212.229]) (66.159.226.55) by mail5.dslextreme.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:47:14 -0800 Message-ID: <4203C330.5000702@dslextreme.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:47:12 -0800 From: Stan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco van Lienen References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> In-Reply-To: <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> X-DSLExtreme-MailGate-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DSLExtreme-MailGate: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: junk-it@dslextreme.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:47:18 -0000 I ran into this same problem. After trying various things, I finally gave up and did it the easy way. If you don't mind rebooting, the easiest thing to do is set the clock in the BIOS as accurately as possible, then let ntpd fine tune it from there. Regards, Stan Marco van Lienen wrote: >On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:03:48PM -0000, Rob MacGregor wrote: > > >>Not within NTPd itself. You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s >>intervals. It's either that or drop the securelevel in rc.conf and reboot (then >>reset the securelevel). >> >>Of course, you probably want to make sure the hardware clock has a vaguely >>accurate idea of time. That'll help in future. >> >> > >Isn't there a tool like hwclock for Linux? >With this tool you can actually set the hardware clock to the current system >time or vice versa. >Just wondering. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 19:47:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CAF16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0068C43D39 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:47:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j14Jlr9q019523; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:47:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:47:53 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Stan Message-ID: <20050204194753.GJ25463@dan.emsphone.com> References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> <4203C330.5000702@dslextreme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4203C330.5000702@dslextreme.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Marco van Lienen Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:47:59 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 04), Stan said: > I ran into this same problem. After trying various things, I finally > gave up and did it the easy way. If you don't mind rebooting, the > easiest thing to do is set the clock in the BIOS as accurately as > possible, then let ntpd fine tune it from there. Setting your BIOS clock shouldn't be necessary since the bootup scripts will do an ntp sync before raising the securelevel anyway. Make sure you have ntpdate_enable="YES" in rc.conf. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 20:18:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA30B16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:18:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.starlofashions.com (mail.starlofashions.com [12.44.50.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A6343D1D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:18:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottro@nyc.rr.com) Received: from uws1.starlofashions.com ([192.168.8.230]) by mail.starlofashions.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03671 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:18:45 -0500 Received: by uws1.starlofashions.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:18:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:18:45 -0500 From: Scott Robbins To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050204201845.GA2204@uws1.starlofashions.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> <4203C330.5000702@dslextreme.com> <20050204194753.GJ25463@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050204194753.GJ25463@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:18:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:47:53PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 04), Stan said: > > I ran into this same problem. After trying various things, I finally > > gave up and did it the easy way. If you don't mind rebooting, the > > easiest thing to do is set the clock in the BIOS as accurately as > > possible, then let ntpd fine tune it from there. > > Setting your BIOS clock shouldn't be necessary since the bootup scripts > will do an ntp sync before raising the securelevel anyway. Make sure > you have ntpdate_enable="YES" in rc.conf. I've found that if my bios clock was REALLY off, it would choke on that. (Though I didn't have ntpdate set in rc.conf). - -- Scott GPG KeyID EB3467D6 ( 1B848 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: She's playing you. She tried to kill you. Angel: That was just. . . That was just a cry for help. Buffy: A cry for help is when you say Help in a loud voice. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCA9il+lTVdes0Z9YRAr8VAJ95rQAtZUijddm02KhAloCR1FXqjQCfQykU im38B8Ii8zkThd2mn9UreOE= =Rd5u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 21:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B5716A4CF for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:11:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flash.atmos.colostate.edu (flash.atmos.colostate.edu [129.82.48.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C44C43D5A for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:11:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tarcieri@flash.atmos.colostate.edu) Received: from flash.atmos.colostate.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j14LBdWu050300 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tarcieri@flash.atmos.colostate.edu) Received: (from tarcieri@localhost) by flash.atmos.colostate.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j14LBdCe050299 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tarcieri) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:11:39 -0700 From: Tony Arcieri To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050204211139.GA50239@flash.atmos.colostate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Logging panic messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:11:44 -0000 I'm running a 5.3 system with a kernel built from the latest RELENG_5 sources as of 15 days ago which has just experienced another sporadic reboot in a long sequence of sporadic reboots which have occured since the system was originally installed. It was up some 30 days without trouble before I colocated that, and after that it was up approximately another 30 days before it began exhibiting problems. Since then it has crashed approximately every 15-25 days or so. I originally configured a dumpdev only to discover that the size of swap must exceed physical memory by 1MB in order for it to work, which it does not, unfortunately. So dumpdev won't work to collect crash data. What I'm really in need of is some way to determine the cause of reboots, and panic messages aren't being logged. I've heard of patches to the kernel which would provide ways to do this such as network console support (my colo provider doesn't provide serial consoles). Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could obtain a log of the kernel panics and any other pertainent information I would need to debug the problem? Are there any patches to write debugging data to the swap partition when the system panics in lieu of a complete kernel core, such as the panic message or even better, a KTR dump? As is I have absolutely no information to go on in debugging this problem. Tony Arcieri From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 21:18:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D82216A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:18:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate2.dslextreme.com (mailgate2.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFD143D55 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:18:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from junk-it@dslextreme.com) Received: from mail5.dslextreme.com (unknown [192.168.7.93]) by mailgate2.dslextreme.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DF6BC3A666C for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10044 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 21:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.212.229]) (66.159.226.55) by mail5.dslextreme.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:18:28 -0800 Message-ID: <4203E6A2.8010102@dslextreme.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:18:26 -0800 From: Stan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> <4203C330.5000702@dslextreme.com> <20050204194753.GJ25463@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050204194753.GJ25463@dan.emsphone.com> X-DSLExtreme-MailGate-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DSLExtreme-MailGate: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: junk-it@dslextreme.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Marco van Lienen Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:18:31 -0000 Hmmm. My rc.conf has ntpd_enable-"YES", but not ntpdate_enable="YES". Thanks! Dan Nelson wrote: >In the last episode (Feb 04), Stan said: > > >>I ran into this same problem. After trying various things, I finally >>gave up and did it the easy way. If you don't mind rebooting, the >>easiest thing to do is set the clock in the BIOS as accurately as >>possible, then let ntpd fine tune it from there. >> >> > >Setting your BIOS clock shouldn't be necessary since the bootup scripts >will do an ntp sync before raising the securelevel anyway. Make sure >you have ntpdate_enable="YES" in rc.conf. > > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 21:29:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D08516A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.starlofashions.com (mail.starlofashions.com [12.44.50.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D354343D46 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:29:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottro@nyc.rr.com) Received: from uws1.starlofashions.com ([192.168.8.230]) by mail.starlofashions.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09982 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:03 -0500 Received: by uws1.starlofashions.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:03 -0500 From: Scott Robbins To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050204212903.GA2610@uws1.starlofashions.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <420265D2.8050503@gopostal.ca> <200502031803.j13I3NZR016534@the-macgregors.org> <20050204161415.GA54492@lordsith.net> <4203C330.5000702@dslextreme.com> <20050204194753.GJ25463@dan.emsphone.com> <4203E6A2.8010102@dslextreme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4203E6A2.8010102@dslextreme.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:29:07 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:18:26PM -0800, Stan wrote: > Hmmm. My rc.conf has ntpd_enable-"YES", but not ntpdate_enable="YES". > Thanks! They do conflict with each other, I'm not sure what will happen if you have both in rc.conf. Hopefully ntpdate will run first, then ntpd. If ntpd is running then you will get an error message running ntpdate. On an unsecured box (the one that I mentioned, where ntpd choked because the BIOS clock was too far off, I simply stopped ntpd, ran ntpdate and then restarted ntpd. - -- Scott GPG KeyID EB3467D6 ( 1B848 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Willow: Maybe we shouldn't be too couply around Buffy. Cordelia: Oh, you mean 'cause of how the only guy that ever liked her turned into a vicious killer and had to be put down like a dog? Xander: Can she cram complex issues into a nutshell or what? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCA+kf+lTVdes0Z9YRAoZwAKDD9GY052+nvHXydFsCuM1AyGa0tACfUwbp PfJfVdxfrpG/2NANN/V8oFc= =oOwG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 21:29:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7C316A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:29:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1039543D2F for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:29:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9955E0D; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08940-04; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14515DC3; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4203E916.6070705@mac.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:28:54 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Arcieri References: <20050204211139.GA50239@flash.atmos.colostate.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050204211139.GA50239@flash.atmos.colostate.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logging panic messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:29:38 -0000 Tony Arcieri wrote: > I originally configured a dumpdev only to discover that the size of swap must > exceed physical memory by 1MB in order for it to work, which it does not, > unfortunately. So dumpdev won't work to collect crash data. You might set hw.physmem to a smaller value in loader.conf to fit within the amount of swapspace which is available: set hw.physmem= MAXMEM (i386 only) Limits the amount of physical memory space available to the system to bytes. may have a k, M or G suffix to indicate kilobytes, megabytes and gigabytes respectively. Note that the current i386 architecture limits this value to 4GB. > What I'm really in need of is some way to determine the cause of reboots, > and panic messages aren't being logged. I've heard of patches to the > kernel which would provide ways to do this such as network console support > (my colo provider doesn't provide serial consoles). last and dmesg don't give you anything, hmm? That's unforunate, hmm, you might try leaving an ssh session logged in doing a tail -f on /var/log/messages and see whether you can get anything from that. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 21:41:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A935A16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:41:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal3.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7172243D67 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:41:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:41:41 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 273335D07; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:41:40 -0800 (PST) To: Scott Robbins In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:29:03 EST." <20050204212903.GA2610@uws1.starlofashions.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:41:39 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20050204214140.273335D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:41:41 -0000 > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:03 -0500 > From: Scott Robbins > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:18:26PM -0800, Stan wrote: > > Hmmm. My rc.conf has ntpd_enable-"YES", but not ntpdate_enable="YES". > > Thanks! > > They do conflict with each other, I'm not sure what will happen if you > have both in rc.conf. Hopefully ntpdate will run first, then ntpd. If > ntpd is running then you will get an error message running ntpdate. > > On an unsecured box (the one that I mentioned, where ntpd choked because > the BIOS clock was too far off, I simply stopped ntpd, ran ntpdate and > then restarted ntpd. They do not conflict if you use the flags in defaults/rc.conf. ntpdate -b sets the time ONCE and is run before ntpd starts, the '-b' option will cause it to to set the time absolutely no matter hao far off the clock is at the time. This is exactly how ntpdate is intended to be used. That said, ntpdate is considered obsolete by the ntp folks and may disappear at some time in the future. Their recommendation is to use ntpd with the '-g' flag to force an unconditional clock set and to use the 'iburst' option on your servers in /etc/ntp.conf. I find this works well, but some have complained that it takes too long. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 21:56:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC5D16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:56:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.starlofashions.com (mail.starlofashions.com [12.44.50.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAF243D46 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:56:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottro@nyc.rr.com) Received: from uws1.starlofashions.com ([192.168.8.230]) by mail.starlofashions.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11817 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:01 -0500 Received: by uws1.starlofashions.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:01 -0500 From: Scott Robbins To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050204215501.GA2845@uws1.starlofashions.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20050204212903.GA2610@uws1.starlofashions.com> <20050204214140.273335D07@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050204214140.273335D07@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:56:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:41:39PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:03 -0500 > > From: Scott Robbins > > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > They do conflict with each other, I'm not sure what will happen if you > > have both in rc.conf. Hopefully ntpdate will run first, then ntpd. If > > ntpd is running then you will get an error message running ntpdate. > > > > On an unsecured box (the one that I mentioned, where ntpd choked because > > the BIOS clock was too far off, I simply stopped ntpd, ran ntpdate and > > then restarted ntpd. > > They do not conflict if you use the flags in defaults/rc.conf. > > ntpdate -b sets the time ONCE and is run before ntpd starts, the '-b' > option will cause it to to set the time absolutely no matter hao far off > the clock is at the time. This is exactly how ntpdate is intended to be > used. > > That said, ntpdate is considered obsolete by the ntp folks and may > disappear at some time in the future. Their recommendation is to use > ntpd with the '-g' flag to force an unconditional clock set and to use > the 'iburst' option on your servers in /etc/ntp.conf. I find this works > well, but some have complained that it takes too long. Thank you. I have been using ntpd for awhile, and haven't read the man pages recently, which I should have done before posting. I only ran into the issue once and solved it as I mentioned. Thanks again. I just learned something. - -- Scott GPG KeyID EB3467D6 ( 1B848 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: No, but, see, Mom, that doesn't really work for me. We're just going to the magic shop, no school supplies there. Dawn: Yeah, Mom. I'm not going to Hogwarts. (chuckles) Hog- (looks at Buffy, who's not amused) Jeez, crack a book sometime. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCA+81+lTVdes0Z9YRAhi5AKC9Y2EUCxlsj+m7fhxrM8R5q6v6MACfbzXZ f/Lt+igi9J8TVMwuJ+CX8hE= =GCnT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 22:51:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8C816A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:51:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FS.denninger.net (wsip-68-15-213-52.at.at.cox.net [68.15.213.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2805043D48 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:51:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j14MprIO000905 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:51:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net [127.0.0.1] by Spamblock-sys; Fri Feb 4 16:51:53 2005 Received: (from karl@localhost) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j14MprT5000903 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:51:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from karl) Message-ID: <20050204165153.A766@denninger.net> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:51:53 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers cheerfully broiled for supper and served with ketchup! Subject: Bizarre errors and hangs with Buslink SATA adapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:51:55 -0000 Hi folks; Here's an odd one... FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Wed Feb 2 22:57:48 CST 2005 karl@FS.denninger.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KSD-SMP Sources from 1/30/05 Only options in the kernel file are for SMP, PPS_SYNC, and the Comtrol Rocketports (all of which are working ok) I get the following on boot: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Wed Feb 2 22:57:48 CST 2005 karl@FS.denninger.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KSD-SMP Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features=0xbfebfbff Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs real memory = 267862016 (255 MB) avail memory = 252456960 (240 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard npx0: [FAST] npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 agp0: mem 0xf0000000-0xf7ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 uhci0: port 0xff80-0xff9f irq 16 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xff60-0xff7f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xff40-0xff5f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: port 0xff20-0xff3f irq 16 at device 29.3 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: at device 29.7 (no driver attached) pcib2: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0xdd70-0xdd7f,0xdd5c-0xdd5f,0xdd68-0xdd6f,0xdd58-0xdd5b,0xdd60-0xdd67 mem 0xfe9dee00-0xfe9defff irq 22 at device 1.0 on pci2 ata2: channel #0 on atapci0 ata3: channel #1 on atapci0 rp0: port 0xdd80-0xddbf irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci2 RocketPort0 (Version 3.02) 4 ports. pcib3: at device 3.0 on pci2 pci3: on pcib3 fxp0: port 0xcf80-0xcf9f mem 0xfcd00000-0xfcdfffff,0xf8001000-0xf8001fff irq 19 at device 4.0 on pci3 miibus0: on fxp0 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:d0:b7:6f:ce:e8 fxp1: port 0xcfe0-0xcfff mem 0xfce00000-0xfcefffff,0xf8000000-0xf8000fff irq 18 at device 5.0 on pci3 miibus1: on fxp1 inphy1: on miibus1 inphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp1: Ethernet address: 00:d0:b7:6f:ce:e9 em0: port 0xddc0-0xddff mem 0xfe9e0000-0xfe9fffff irq 18 at device 12.0 on pci2 em0: Ethernet address: 00:0c:f1:c9:df:c5 em0: Speed:N/A Duplex:N/A isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0xffa0-0xffaf,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 18 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: channel #0 on atapci1 ata1: channel #1 on atapci1 atapci2: port 0xfea0-0xfeaf,0xfe30-0xfe33,0xfe20-0xfe27,0xfe10-0xfe13,0xfe00-0xfe07 irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata4: channel #0 on atapci2 ata5: channel #1 on atapci2 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 31.5 (no driver attached) fdc0: port 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A orm0: at iomem 0xce000-0xcffff,0xcc800-0xcdfff,0xc8000-0xcc7ff,0xc0000-0xc7fff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 RTC BIOS diagnostic error 18 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec ipfw2 initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging disabled acd0: CDROM at ata1-master UDMA33 ad4: 238475MB [484521/16/63] at ata2-master SATA150 em0: Link is up 100 Mbps Full Duplex ad8: 239372MB [486344/16/63] at ata4-master SATA150 ad10: 238475MB [484521/16/63] at ata5-master SATA150 GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot created (id=1131801609). GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider ad8s1 detected. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider ad10s1 detected. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider ad10s1 activated. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider mirror/boot launched. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: rebuilding provider ad8s1. SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! Mounting root from ufs:/dev/mirror/boota em0: Link is up 100 Mbps Full Duplex Up to here all looks normal, and good. But now the problem, immediately following, appears... ad4: FAILURE - unknown CMD (0xb0) status=51 error=4 If I attempt to boot with this disk (ad4) in the GEOM mirror configuration, the system hangs as soon as it activates the mirror, and when I reboot after that both ad4 and one of the other mirrored disks is inconsistent. If not, I get the above "FAILURE" line - I assume they're connected. If I want until the system is up, and then "insert" it into the mirror, it seems to behave ok. I have not, however, allowed it to complete the rebuild and stress it significantly. Any ideas? This card is supposedly one of the ones with the "hot swap-capable" chipset; I am attempting to end up with a configuration where I can do "hot backups" to a third disk by inserting it, allowing it to sync, then detaching it and putting it away (e.g. in a safety deposit box) The card is a Buslink SATA 150, claims to support internal RAID 0 and 1 (although I'm not using that capability), and as its salient point, has an external connector for the outside disk. I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but clearly its bad news from a stability standpoint - the 2-disk mirror setup has been chugging along even under "make -j8 buildworld" along with the usual production load quite happily. If its just a matter of needing a different adapter, I can try that.. if I can find another one with an external connection! -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 22:53:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5F216A4CE; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:53:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715EA43D58; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:53:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.10]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14Mr6Lq003847; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:53:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14MrHV9068048; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:53:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id D00337306E; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:53:06 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050204225306.D00337306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:53:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner3 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:53:09 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-04 21:40:29 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-04 21:40:29 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2005-02-04 21:40:29 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-04 21:40:29 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha TB --- 2005-02-04 21:40:29 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-02-04 21:48:29 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-04 21:48:29 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-02-04 21:48:29 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-04 22:38:17 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-04 22:38:17 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-02-04 22:38:17 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Fri Feb 4 22:38:17 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Fri Feb 4 22:47:12 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-02-04 22:47:12 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-02-04 22:47:12 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/alpha/conf TB --- 2005-02-04 22:47:12 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-02-04 22:47:12 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-04 22:47:12 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-02-04 22:47:12 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Fri Feb 4 22:47:12 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1226: warning: no previous prototype for 'sched_pctcpu' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:108, from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: ./machine/critical.h:47: warning: nested extern declaration of `cpu_critical_fork_exit' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:133: warning: no previous prototype for 'choosethread' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:281: warning: no previous prototype for 'adjustrunqueue' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:452: confused by earlier errors, bailing out *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/obj/alpha/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 23:16:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDD716A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:16:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flash.atmos.colostate.edu (flash.atmos.colostate.edu [129.82.48.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4653743D1D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:16:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tarcieri@flash.atmos.colostate.edu) Received: from flash.atmos.colostate.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j14NGNfk051143; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tarcieri@flash.atmos.colostate.edu) Received: (from tarcieri@localhost) by flash.atmos.colostate.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j14NGNGW051142; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tarcieri) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:16:23 -0700 From: Tony Arcieri To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20050204231623.GA51076@flash.atmos.colostate.edu> References: <20050204211139.GA50239@flash.atmos.colostate.edu> <4203E916.6070705@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4203E916.6070705@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logging panic messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:16:26 -0000 On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 04:28:54PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > You might set hw.physmem to a smaller value in loader.conf to fit within > the amount of swapspace which is available: > > set hw.physmem= MAXMEM (i386 only) > > Limits the amount of physical memory space available to > the system to bytes. may have a k, M or G > suffix to indicate kilobytes, megabytes and gigabytes > respectively. Note that the current i386 architecture > limits this value to 4GB. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give that a try, and see if I can get it to generate a corefile the next time it crashes. > last and dmesg don't give you anything, hmm? No, and neither do the logfiles, but I've read this is intentional to prevent the kernel from executing complex kernel code like the VFS after a crash to prevent deadlocking. > That's unforunate, hmm, you might try leaving an ssh session logged in doing > a tail -f on /var/log/messages and see whether you can get anything from > that. All networking hangs whenever it crashes. I think my best bet is to try to generate a kernel core file now, but I was wondering if there had ever been consideration of using the dump infrastructure to record KTR dumps rather than an image of the kernel core. It seems like KTR would be a wonderful facility to debug the cause of an OS crash, but the current infrastructure makes it relatively impossible to use in a situation like mine. Tony Arcieri From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 00:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCAD16A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:05:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ip192.186.dsl-acs2.seawa0.iinet.com [209.20.186.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134C943D4C; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:05:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ran.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CxDRZ-000N3F-24; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:04:57 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16900.3496.453074.606495@ran.psg.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:04:56 -0800 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> cc: 'FreeBSD Current' cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:05:02 -0000 makes my tp41 running current boot without crashing. i demand a refund! :-) randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 00:09:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBF116A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:09:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D2343D3F; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:09:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1509JGd092177; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:09:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150AodS014151; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 80F547306E; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:09:19 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050205000919.80F547306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:09:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on smarthost2.sentex.ca X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner3 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:09:21 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for amd64/amd64 TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64 TB --- 2005-02-04 22:53:06 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-02-04 23:00:59 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-04 23:00:59 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src TB --- 2005-02-04 23:00:59 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-04 23:53:27 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-04 23:53:27 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src TB --- 2005-02-04 23:53:27 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Fri Feb 4 23:53:28 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Sat Feb 5 00:02:46 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-02-05 00:02:46 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-02-05 00:02:46 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/amd64/conf TB --- 2005-02-05 00:02:46 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-02-05 00:02:46 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 00:02:46 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 00:02:46 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Sat Feb 5 00:02:46 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1226: warning: no previous prototype for 'sched_pctcpu' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:108, from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: ./machine/critical.h:47: warning: nested extern declaration of `cpu_critical_fork_exit' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:133: warning: no previous prototype for 'choosethread' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:281: warning: no previous prototype for 'adjustrunqueue' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:452: confused by earlier errors, bailing out *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/obj/amd64/tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/amd64/amd64/src. TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 00:15:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BAE16A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:15:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE8B43D2D; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:15:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:15:12 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id CE6215D07; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:15:11 -0800 (PST) To: Randy Bush In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:04:56 PST." <16900.3496.453074.606495@ran.psg.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:15:11 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20050205001511.CE6215D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: 'FreeBSD Current' cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:15:13 -0000 > From: Randy Bush > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:04:56 -0800 > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > makes my tp41 running current boot without crashing. i > demand a refund! :-) Randy, We have refunded your money so often that we're running out of empty pockets to get the funds from. :-) Seriously, my T30 seems happier, too, although time will tell since it was not nearly as unhappy as yours was. (It only barked and locked up occasionally and never crashed on boot.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 01:27:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FC616A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:27:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5530143D39; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:27:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j151RH0S012241; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:27:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j151SmYx057184; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:28:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id A7F6A7306E; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:27:17 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050205012717.A7F6A7306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:27:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:27:19 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for i386/i386 TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386 TB --- 2005-02-05 00:09:19 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-02-05 00:17:22 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 00:17:22 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src TB --- 2005-02-05 00:17:22 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-05 01:08:19 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 01:08:19 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src TB --- 2005-02-05 01:08:19 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Feb 5 01:08:19 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Sat Feb 5 01:20:01 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-02-05 01:20:01 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-02-05 01:20:01 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/i386/conf TB --- 2005-02-05 01:20:01 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-02-05 01:20:01 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 01:20:01 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src TB --- 2005-02-05 01:20:01 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Sat Feb 5 01:20:01 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1226: warning: no previous prototype for 'sched_pctcpu' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:108, from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: ./machine/critical.h:47: warning: nested extern declaration of `cpu_critical_fork_exit' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:133: warning: no previous prototype for 'choosethread' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:281: warning: no previous prototype for 'adjustrunqueue' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:452: confused by earlier errors, bailing out *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/obj/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/i386/src. TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 02:24:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D8516A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:24:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691BD43D49; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:24:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alex.Kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from RabbitsDen ([70.21.161.195]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050205022420.QPOU26937.out002.verizon.net@RabbitsDen>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:24:20 -0600 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Schmidt In-Reply-To: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-I7tfFkhafq8rB0O5xyfS" Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:23:01 -0500 Message-Id: <1107570181.963.11.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [70.21.161.195] at Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:24:19 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: 'FreeBSD Current' cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 02:24:22 -0000 --=-I7tfFkhafq8rB0O5xyfS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 21:52 +0100, Søren Schmidt wrote: > ATA-mkIII first official snapshot. > > This is the much rumoured ATA update that I've been working on for some time. > > It contains a number of new things, and lacks a few features of the old code. > > New items include: > > o ATA is now fully newbus'd and split into modules. > This means that on a modern system you just load "atapci and ata" > to get the base support, and then one or more of the device > subdrivers "atadisk atapicd atapifd atapist ataraid". > All can be loaded/unloaded anytime, but for obvious reasons you > dont want to unload atadisk when you have mounted filesystems. > > o The device identify part of the probe has been rewritten to fix > the problems with odd devices the old had, and to try to remove > so of the long delays some HW could provoke. > > o SATA devices can be hot inserted/removed and devices will be created/ > removed in /dev accordingly. NOTE only supported on controllers that > has this feature: Promise and Silicon Image for now. > > o ATA RAID support has been rewritten and and now supports these > metadata formats: > "Adaptec HostRAID" > "Highpoint V2 RocketRAID" > "Highpoint V3 RocketRAID" > "Intel MatrixRAID" > "Integrated Technology Express" > "LSILogic V2 MegaRAID" > "LSILogic V3 MegaRAID" > "Promise FastTrak" > "Silicon Image Medley" > > o The reinit code has been worked over to be much more robust. > > o The timeout code has been overhauled for races. > > o Lots of fixes for bugs found while doing the modulerization and > reviewing the old code. > > > Missing features form current ATA: > > o atapi-cd no longer has support for ATAPI changers. Todays its > much cheaper and alot faster to copy those CD images to disk > and serve them from there. Besides they dont seem to be made > anymore, maybe for that exact reason. > > o ATA RAID can only read metadata not write them. This means that > arrays can be picked up from the BIOS, but they cannot be created > from FreeBSD. This is being worked on for the final release as is > RAID5 support for Promise/Highpoing/SiI controllers. > > o The atapi-cam author has been informed and has had early access > to this work but so far atapicam is not supported with these > changes. However I do have my own atacam that puts both ATA and ATAPI > devices under CAM, but its really just academic at this point. > > And then there all the things that I've happily forgotten about :) > > The snapshot is available as a patch for RELENG_5 and for CURRENT, and > a common tarfile of the new ATA code. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-releng5.gz > http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-current.gz > http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.tar.gz > > Both patches and the tarfile is relative to /usr/src. > You might want to remove the contents of sys/dev/ata/ before unpacking > the tarfile. > > No changes are needed to your config file, unless you want ATA as modules. > > As usual, even if it works on all the HW I have here in the lab, thats by > far not the same as it works on YOUR system. So use glowes and safety shoes > and if it breaks I dont want the pieces, but would like to hear the nifty > details on how exactly it got that way :) > > Enjoy! > Works beautifully here (AVERATEC 3150H with VIA 8235). Timeouts on non-existing slaves are gone for good. Patch for -current (as of yesterday) failed to compile afterward (log attached), but removing sys/dev/ata/* and untaring archive worked just fine. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) --=-I7tfFkhafq8rB0O5xyfS-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 02:42:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55DE16A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:42:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1C043D2D; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:42:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j152gVP0098537; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:42:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j152i3Fg086390; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:44:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id AC82C7306E; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:42:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050205024231.AC82C7306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:42:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on smarthost2.sentex.ca X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on i386/pc98 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 02:42:33 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for i386/pc98 TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98 TB --- 2005-02-05 01:27:17 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-02-05 01:35:17 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 01:35:17 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src TB --- 2005-02-05 01:35:17 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-05 02:26:56 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 02:26:56 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src TB --- 2005-02-05 02:26:56 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Feb 5 02:26:56 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Sat Feb 5 02:36:22 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-02-05 02:36:22 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-02-05 02:36:22 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/pc98/conf TB --- 2005-02-05 02:36:22 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-02-05 02:36:23 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 02:36:23 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src TB --- 2005-02-05 02:36:23 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Sat Feb 5 02:36:23 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1226: warning: no previous prototype for 'sched_pctcpu' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:108, from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: ./machine/critical.h:47: warning: nested extern declaration of `cpu_critical_fork_exit' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:133: warning: no previous prototype for 'choosethread' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:281: warning: no previous prototype for 'adjustrunqueue' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:452: confused by earlier errors, bailing out *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/obj/pc98/tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/i386/pc98/src. TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 04:02:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1D716A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:02:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E45E43D1D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:02:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id AE909DAD3; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 45FD36360; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16900.17751.244509.770334@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:02:31 -0500 To: Gavin Atkinson In-Reply-To: <1107517814.8749.6.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> References: <16896.22046.191392.824042@canoe.dclg.ca> <20050203211705.G47315@carver.gumbysoft.com> <16899.23544.491158.188008@canoe.dclg.ca> <1107517814.8749.6.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 16) "Corporate Culture" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: David Gilbert Subject: Re: Geom RAID root report. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 04:02:33 -0000 >>>>> "Gavin" == Gavin Atkinson writes: >> Additionally, I loaded the kernel module manually from >> /dist/boot/kernel/geom_mirror.ko and this did not change the >> behaviour of the command. Gavin> The problem is that geom is hard coded to look for the userland Gavin> libraries in /lib. Gavin> Try symlinking /lib to /dist/lib You know, for a "live" CD, our live CD seems chock full of these issues. $EDITOR, for instance, is set wrong. I didn't know to look for that one --- I usually work around fixit faults. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 04:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F37816A4CF; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D6443D2F; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:13:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j154DV69002235; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:13:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j154DhYR089850; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:13:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 04D687306E; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:13:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050205041331.04D687306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:13:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on smarthost2.sentex.ca X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner4 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 04:13:33 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for ia64/ia64 TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64 TB --- 2005-02-05 02:42:31 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-02-05 02:50:36 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 02:50:36 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 02:50:36 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-05 03:52:48 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 03:52:48 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 03:52:48 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Feb 5 03:52:48 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Sat Feb 5 04:06:01 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-02-05 04:06:01 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-02-05 04:06:01 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/ia64/conf TB --- 2005-02-05 04:06:01 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-02-05 04:06:01 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 04:06:01 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 04:06:01 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Sat Feb 5 04:06:01 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1226: warning: no previous prototype for 'sched_pctcpu' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:108, from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: ./machine/critical.h:47: warning: nested extern declaration of `cpu_critical_fork_exit' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:133: warning: no previous prototype for 'choosethread' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:281: warning: no previous prototype for 'adjustrunqueue' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:452: confused by earlier errors, bailing out *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/obj/ia64/tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/ia64/ia64/src. TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:31 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:31 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:31 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 05:29:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224FC16A4CE; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:29:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AF243D2D; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:29:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.10]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j155TK5V021533; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:29:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j155TVbG015943; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:29:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 592F97306E; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:29:20 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050205052920.592F97306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:29:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:29:22 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:32 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:32 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for sparc64/sparc64 TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:32 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:32 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64 TB --- 2005-02-05 04:13:32 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2005-02-05 04:21:55 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 04:21:55 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 04:21:55 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-05 05:12:43 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 05:12:43 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 05:12:43 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Feb 5 05:12:43 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Sat Feb 5 05:22:30 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-02-05 05:22:30 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-02-05 05:22:30 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/sparc64/conf TB --- 2005-02-05 05:22:30 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-02-05 05:22:30 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-05 05:22:30 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src TB --- 2005-02-05 05:22:30 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Sat Feb 5 05:22:30 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1226: warning: no previous prototype for 'sched_pctcpu' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:108, from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: ./machine/critical.h:47: warning: nested extern declaration of `cpu_critical_fork_exit' In file included from /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/sched_4bsd.c:1235: /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:133: warning: no previous prototype for 'choosethread' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:281: warning: no previous prototype for 'adjustrunqueue' /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/kern/kern_switch.c:452: confused by earlier errors, bailing out *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/obj/sparc64/tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/sparc64/sparc64/src. TB --- 2005-02-05 05:29:19 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-05 05:29:19 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-02-05 05:29:19 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 11:40:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16B216A4D5; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:40:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spider.deepcore.dk (cpe.atm2-0-53484.0x50a6c9a6.abnxx9.customer.tele.dk [80.166.201.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D05B43D46; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:40:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Received: from [194.192.25.143] (laptop.deepcore.dk [194.192.25.143]) by spider.deepcore.dk (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15BdxEV033895; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:40:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Message-ID: <4204B07F.5080605@DeepCore.dk> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:39:43 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Stuyts References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-mail-scanned: by DeepCore Virus & Spam killer v1.6 cc: 'FreeBSD Current' cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:40:11 -0000 Ben Stuyts wrote: >=20 > On 3 Feb 2005, at 21:52, S=F8ren Schmidt wrote: >=20 >> o ATA RAID can only read metadata not write them. This means tha= t >> arrays can be picked up from the BIOS, but they cannot be crea= ted >> from FreeBSD. This is being worked on for the final release as= is >> RAID5 support for Promise/Highpoing/SiI controllers. >=20 >=20 > Will RAID mirrors built using atacontrol on standard ata controllers=20 > still work? Specifically in my case on 5.3-stable: Not as is, but its easily added, uncomment line 597 in ata-raid.c and it = will be picked up as before... -S=F8ren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 15:14:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3386416A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369DF43D41 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pertti.kosunen@pp.nic.fi) Received: from [62.142.71.181] (KMMLXXXI.dsl.saunalahti.fi [62.142.71.181]) by gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E210B205C for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:14:49 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4204E2E9.6050001@pp.nic.fi> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:14:49 +0200 From: Pertti Kosunen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 / FreeBSD 5.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" References: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> In-Reply-To: <42028F29.1030801@DeepCore.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:14:51 -0000 Sren Schmidt wrote: > ATA-mkIII first official snapshot. > > This is the much rumoured ATA update that I've been working on for > some time. Is this coming in 5.4-RELEASE? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 16:32:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8630B16A4D0 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-relay1.olivant.fo (post.olivant.fo [212.55.32.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F050D43D46 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:32:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ice2000@post.olivant.fo) Received: from antivirus.post.olivant.fo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antivirus.post.olivant.fo (Postfix) with SMTP id 093142681D0 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:32:25 +0000 (WET) Received: from redzone.vanish.adsl.fo (vanish.adsl.fo [212.55.57.186]) by post-relay1.olivant.fo (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7042681D0 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:32:24 +0000 (WET) From: ice To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:24 +0000 Message-Id: <1107621144.735.0.camel@redzone.vanish.adsl.fo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:27 -0000 I have a problem when booting ,mounting cd's and installing freebsd. It has not been fixed since freebsd 5.3-beta6 and up to stable 5.3-RELEASE-p5 This problem comes when installing/mounting/booting with cd/dvd burners I have the same problem with my laptop. Dump of dmesg: *SNIP* ad0: 114473MB [232581/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out *SNIP* acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out *SNIP* From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 16:34:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6EE16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:34:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.156.12.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4814E43D1F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:34:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F2FF46B42; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:34:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:33:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: ice In-Reply-To: <1107621144.735.0.camel@redzone.vanish.adsl.fo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:34:30 -0000 On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, ice wrote: > I have a problem when booting ,mounting cd's and installing freebsd. > > It has not been fixed since freebsd 5.3-beta6 and up to stable > 5.3-RELEASE-p5 You may want to try the recently posted atamkIII patches to see if they help -- these symptoms are among those the patch is believed to address. Robert N M Watson > > This problem comes when installing/mounting/booting with cd/dvd burners > I have the same problem with my laptop. > > Dump of dmesg: > > *SNIP* > ad0: 114473MB [232581/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 > acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out > acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out > acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out > acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out > acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SENSE_BIG timed out > *SNIP* > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - TEST_UNIT_READY timed out > acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out > *SNIP* > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 17:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9003F16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:20:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from havoc.eusc.inter.net (havoc.eusc.inter.net [213.73.101.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421C43D49 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:20:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) Received: from pd9e6a587.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.230.165.135] helo=stable.alpenflugzentrum.de) by havoc.eusc.inter.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 1CxTbn-0000wm-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:20:35 +0100 Received: from stable.alpenflugzentrum.de (localhost.alpenflugzentrum.de [127.0.0.1])j15HKYvw000622 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:20:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by stable.alpenflugzentrum.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j15Fx0Qd026601 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:59:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) X-Authentication-Warning: stable.alpenflugzentrum.de: matthias set sender to msch@snafu.de using -f From: Matthias Schuendehuette Organization: Micro$oft-free Zone To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:58:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502051658.59532.msch@snafu.de> Subject: load values X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: msch@snafu.de List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:20:37 -0000 Hi, I updated my system (5-STABLE) just today and now I get extraordinary load-values: 'top' says (e.g.): "load averages: 443.73, 36.47, 60.50" I haven't running > 400 processes at all! The man page for GETLOADAVG(3) says: "The getloadavg() function returns the number of processes in the system run queue averaged over various periods of time." So - what's going on here? -- Ciao/BSD - Matthias Matthias Schuendehuette , Berlin (Germany) PGP-Key at and ID: 0xDDFB0A5F From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 17:43:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC3F16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate2.dslextreme.com (mailgate2.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B720943D48 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:43:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from junk-it@dslextreme.com) Received: from mail5.dslextreme.com (unknown [192.168.7.93]) by mailgate2.dslextreme.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 50F0A3A649F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24849 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2005 17:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.212.229]) (66.159.226.55) by mail5.dslextreme.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:43:48 -0800 Message-ID: <420505D0.7040306@dslextreme.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:43:44 -0800 From: Stan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Robbins , Kevin Oberman References: <20050204212903.GA2610@uws1.starlofashions.com> <20050204214140.273335D07@ptavv.es.net> <20050204215501.GA2845@uws1.starlofashions.com> In-Reply-To: <20050204215501.GA2845@uws1.starlofashions.com> X-DSLExtreme-MailGate-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DSLExtreme-MailGate: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: junk-it@dslextreme.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:43:51 -0000 Thanks as well to both of you. I too learned something new. Scott Robbins wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:41:39PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > >>>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:29:03 -0500 >>>From: Scott Robbins >>>Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org >>> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> >>>They do conflict with each other, I'm not sure what will happen if you >>>have both in rc.conf. Hopefully ntpdate will run first, then ntpd. If >>>ntpd is running then you will get an error message running ntpdate. >>> >>>On an unsecured box (the one that I mentioned, where ntpd choked because >>>the BIOS clock was too far off, I simply stopped ntpd, ran ntpdate and >>>then restarted ntpd. >>> >>> >>They do not conflict if you use the flags in defaults/rc.conf. >> >>ntpdate -b sets the time ONCE and is run before ntpd starts, the '-b' >>option will cause it to to set the time absolutely no matter hao far off >>the clock is at the time. This is exactly how ntpdate is intended to be >>used. >> >>That said, ntpdate is considered obsolete by the ntp folks and may >>disappear at some time in the future. Their recommendation is to use >>ntpd with the '-g' flag to force an unconditional clock set and to use >>the 'iburst' option on your servers in /etc/ntp.conf. I find this works >>well, but some have complained that it takes too long. >> >> > >Thank you. I have been using ntpd for awhile, and haven't read the man >pages recently, which I should have done before posting. I only ran >into the issue once and solved it as I mentioned. > >Thanks again. I just learned something. > > >- -- > >Scott > >GPG KeyID EB3467D6 >( 1B848 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6) >gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 > >Buffy: No, but, see, Mom, that doesn't really work for me. We're >just going to the magic shop, no school supplies there. >Dawn: Yeah, Mom. I'm not going to Hogwarts. (chuckles) Hog- >(looks at Buffy, who's not amused) Jeez, crack a book sometime. >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) > >iD8DBQFCA+81+lTVdes0Z9YRAhi5AKC9Y2EUCxlsj+m7fhxrM8R5q6v6MACfbzXZ >f/Lt+igi9J8TVMwuJ+CX8hE= >=GCnT >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 20:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB7E16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:06:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D4D43D1D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:06:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dominique.goncalves@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so550093wra for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:06:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hDYdMkyjUb5XK5PGfbUlYzpi6eYDOHvuh2gHohe6lOh7k3FuptqJvjTWRoYa4SsXMTJRqZtmvT+AkLBNsxtzPApu3cyrDERh+5GYmKq1Ycx79C4TBnMJUQjbjDgFipKY5/CheqdyNLyg1pleoazbzJaM138BKOEIAQJQ28u5SYg= Received: by 10.54.16.30 with SMTP id 30mr253424wrp; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.50.64 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:06:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7daacbbe05020512064b936b1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:06:42 +0100 From: Dominique Goncalves To: msch@snafu.de In-Reply-To: <200502051658.59532.msch@snafu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502051658.59532.msch@snafu.de> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load values X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dominique Goncalves List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:06:44 -0000 Hello, I have had the same problem exactly today. Re cvsup your src tree and rebuild kernel and world solved this problem. Regards On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:58:58 +0100, Matthias Schuendehuette wrote: > Hi, > > I updated my system (5-STABLE) just today and now I get extraordinary > load-values: > > 'top' says (e.g.): > > "load averages: 443.73, 36.47, 60.50" > > I haven't running > 400 processes at all! > > The man page for GETLOADAVG(3) says: > > "The getloadavg() function returns the number of processes in the system > run queue averaged over various periods of time." > > So - what's going on here? > -- > Ciao/BSD - Matthias > > Matthias Schuendehuette , Berlin (Germany) > PGP-Key at and ID: 0xDDFB0A5F > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- There's this old saying: "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life." From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 20:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8D216A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:59:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clever.eusc.inter.net (clever.eusc.inter.net [213.73.101.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBF943D31 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:59:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) Received: from pd9e6a706.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.230.167.6] helo=stable.alpenflugzentrum.de) by clever.eusc.inter.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1CxX1E-0003qu-00; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:59:04 +0100 Received: from stable.alpenflugzentrum.de (localhost.alpenflugzentrum.de [127.0.0.1])j15Kx4Xc000926; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:59:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) j15Kwxaw000925; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:58:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) X-Authentication-Warning: stable.alpenflugzentrum.de: matthias set sender to msch@snafu.de using -f From: Matthias Schuendehuette Organization: Micro$oft-free Zone To: Dominique Goncalves Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:58:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502051658.59532.msch@snafu.de> <7daacbbe05020512064b936b1a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7daacbbe05020512064b936b1a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502052158.59372.msch@snafu.de> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load values [SOLVED] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: msch@snafu.de List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:59:06 -0000 Hello, Am Samstag, 5. Februar 2005 21:06 schrieb Dominique Goncalves: > I have had the same problem exactly today. > Re cvsup your src tree and rebuild kernel and world solved this > problem. Yes, indeed. Thanks a lot! -- Ciao/BSD - Matthias Matthias Schuendehuette , Berlin (Germany) PGP-Key at and ID: 0xDDFB0A5F