From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:16:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E52C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53907.mail.yahoo.com (web53907.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67B3443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59517 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 00:16:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2XX7SfE0mKVmpkuNhB6iTZlIo9yNtt/yISuyGXEAkF3MJD7Yqk75eG/jNiUdcIZ6Z6J6+0YPam3TawCUiHpnYvsH2uRoTRiBtY5411iknYJ4N8sGo7qKfvrTRavoIVxZX9jwQKms5t4jGG7s7w9x+KG9oWE5mveA68VfyF3csV8= ; Message-ID: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.157.54.246] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: des@des.no Subject: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 -0000 it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Smørgrav on Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005: >Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the >primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to >the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also fails >several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD >project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and >mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is >probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a >trademark. FINALLY! A worthwhile point of view - not obscured by emotion or reproduction mumbo-jumbo! These are extremely important points, the most important being Beastie doesn't belong to FreeBSD in any way, shape, or form. This fact renders all other arguments moot. Forget all of the "tradition", "offense", "professional", etc. time-wasting, bandwidth consuming crapola that's been posted on this topic. I submit that whether or not replacing Beastie as FBSD's main symbol is a good idea is irrelevant. It is _necessary_. A company needs to exclusively control an undiluted brand identifier. Does anyone know of a business, other than the odd one person or family run shop that doesn't have that? Would you trust a friend to hold the rights to your logo (mascot, whatever)? Then why should FreeBSD? Of course, the Project could buy the rights to Beastie, but then we run into the "dilution" problem Mr. Smørgrav mentions. The image is non-exclusive to FBSD. Even worse, I recall a post on questions@ by someone reporting its use by a condom machine company in England and Wales. Trying to enforce clear trademark use is hard enough. For the Project to go after unauthorized use of Beastie would be expensive and probably impossible. So there it is. Mr. Smørgrav should be thanked for a business-based reason for the change by making an irrefutable argument. Those that STILL disagree should consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual property law. Still going to use Beastie when I can, Stheg P.S. My agreement with Mr. Smørgrav's argument should not be construed as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. As is obvious, this was a very bad idea. I propose that in the future, such discussions be held on a special-use list to avoid the appearance of "you're neither important nor smart enough to discuss this" and to prevent the list-pollution we are now seeing on questions@. P.P.S. Whether you agree with my position on this or not, will those who comments on this topic have devolved into "I'm going to make my point to that idiot yet" posts PLEASE TAKE IT OFF QUESTIONS@? Your one-upmanship makes both sides look stupid and makes useful information, like Mr. Smørgrav's points, difficult to find. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442EF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57EF43D3F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2750551DF4; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: stheg olloydson Message-ID: <20050213004204.GA91920@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:16:21PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > P.S. My agreement with Mr. Sm?rgrav's argument should not be construed > as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way > this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few > commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place > among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. Sorry, but that's how the FreeBSD project works and always has worked. The FreeBSD Core team has always decided policy for the FreeBSD project, and they can handle it any way they like, including making unilateral decisions with consulting with the FreeBSD user base. For better or worse, FreeBSD is not a democracy of users - if you thought otherwise then you were just mistaken. Kris --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDqJbWry0BWjoQKURAkYiAKCJH9S36V+qhaG8c4r+WZvRX8+sLQCfcdZz 536HSGYZWm/+zGQdy6QD1Eo= =6nzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFCD43D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so482478rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JxdHTQVb7ZRLLJn9XieMvXbr2HooMp7IC+HG8ezrbsUiHbffJJQenrr1tEg02s/MOaLTKs4n5UDg1iRBcX2y0AMwtjAlL6puK81unCoEBIYcbE1hpL+suQxy8vy5bMe4tDATJ5jc+X8vKB5Psjelc7IokD4b+v6xilGV7oTig+g= Received: by 10.38.73.33 with SMTP id v33mr22891rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:52:08 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 -0000 This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally clear about yet. 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like 8080? Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A735C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7E43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C4D661C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC4DA1C0008E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014423705.AC4DA1C0008E@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <103254962.20050213024423@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > I think you know the answer to that question perfectly well. There is no answer to that question. That's part of the problem. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911B43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14F931C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F06211C00081 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014519984.F06211C00081@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:08 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1006435004.20050213024508@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 -0000 Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg writes: > A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) How does the downloader know whether the copy is authorized or not? How does he prove it to the copyright holder and/or the licensee? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:48:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFD316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E743D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 757CF1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 558E11C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014853350.558E11C00082@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 -0000 darren kirby writes: > That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, > but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million > different types of people that run it. There are almost no reasons to run Linux instead of UNIX. > Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two > operating systems is what the GUI looks like. No, although sometimes that is actually the case. > So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > In my experience, the developers are the quiet ones that speak with their > software. There are all sorts of developers nowadays. The days when they were all quiet are long gone. > Again, I am not trolling, and I am not a Linux zealot. I run FreeBSD, > Linux, Solaris and any other free unix I can get my hand on. Why? > Because I think they're cool. All of them. Including Linux. I run operating systems to get work done. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DDA43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5100234E7E3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. > > Recognizing, not supporting. Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. >> Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, >> because it's not what you want to hear. > > It's not a matter of what I want or don't want. I don't have any > choice. That's business. Rarely. You have no choice but to play Sims 2, eh? Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one format. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh But like I said...you don't want to seek a change, so you wouldn't even want to look for an alternative. Maybe not everyone out there looking for information is in your position, so I'd rather let them find this post with some hope of finding something that may suit their needs rather than your postings of "FreeBSD can't run , so don't even bother trying..." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05E916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A68C43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 090971C00087 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D936D1C00085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015358889.D936D1C00085@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:54:00 -0000 Paul Mather writes: > I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor > ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract if they fail to do so. > By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or > whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no > obligation to fix them. Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. > Also, if you read your license carefully, they don't guarantee the OS > will work, nor are you protected against it destroying your data. Many of those disclaimers have never been tested in court. The notion that all a software company need guarantee is a readable CD is very extreme and untested; personally, I rather doubt that it would survive a test. It's hard to explain why a mere CD should cost $2500. > MSCEs aren't "ultimately accountable" for Windows code, but they > get hired all the time to fix things and build solutions, right? They are hired to build, not to fix. When things need to be fixed, Microsoft Product Support gets the call. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B20716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330843D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 43E3A1C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 26D5A1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015655159.26D5A1C00084@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with other business partners. > Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one > format. Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best choice. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E1A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007E943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005021302022701600iges8e>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 -0000 > My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > -- > Anthony > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that all depends on the environment... What amazes me is the subject line of this thread feeding every single person to put their two cents in.. including myself.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2908916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D7243D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:31:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33596110 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27297-04 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985BA60F0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:32:12 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > >>Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > > >>Rarely. > > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with > other business partners. > > >>Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >>format. > > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. It's apparent that many wish not to try to stick with the rules of the list. That being said, I pose the question again to the moderator - Please, kill these threads that have nothing to do with the list itself. -- Best regards, Chris The big guys always win. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D8643D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so487048rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aVJmh0QPOvePdHuxNfnbM1oZB6cKju4Ks5044VyqoaLL3GdyqBd5bXilY4TIDsrRGmzbEu1RTjQP67efYZ0BGGMVqxW41Kbbkf4H+2DtZ4luax+7txhnDigelU3MlmHYFmZl4TQq46TqeXZv15Iu7VD96NjpAG2ZAG4XAQGVI68= Received: by 10.38.161.60 with SMTP id j60mr31251rne; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:35:59 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: where can i find the subfont.ttf ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 -0000 where can i find the subfont.ttf for mplayer ? ... Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:54:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grover.logicsquad.net (ppp140-249.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.140.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 276BF43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulh@logicsquad.net) Received: (qmail 8373 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Feb 2005 02:54:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030 From: "Paul A. Hoadley" To: RL Message-ID: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 -0000 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local script) to update your A record. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? =20 Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR record you will require. > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the host named in the A record. > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the right solution. > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > 8080? There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? --=20 Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFCDsFs730Z/jysbzIRAqwpAJY0qA3F2v+V7t+QDlRkFkbBL8uqAJ9jUXhe XnjmEc/emqj06M0AH3Ab2A== =UoRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B344C43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so488917rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mpHAYTk1LpPEV9CzFnnwbtqfimxfocNde0kF0UdpPa/Rc4BXnJ+g4pFrT5qB97DBZJDOFej1YqifYggzA3VBJggef8VrHGf+/xsyHT+N9THVayb8IeAHE5s/RO5HJlph3N7TqineeEwcdDI7EEU46gSRGUkwlY0gUMsrT77oP1I= Received: by 10.38.59.27 with SMTP id h27mr17354rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:11:38 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > > I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll > assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic > DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather > nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset > of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold > you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea > is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS > provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local > script) to update your A record. > > > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? > > Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address > to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to > manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, > but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two > nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could > personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the > issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the > corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR > record you will require. > > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? > > This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone > file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the > host named in the A record. > > > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? > > If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to > get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the > right solution. > > > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > > 8080? > > There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. > However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If > your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? > > -- > Paul. > > w http://logicsquad.net/ > h http://paul.hoadley.name/ > > > Yeah and crappy Adelphia doesn't offer static IPs without charging way way too much. At least I should be able to set up my own mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161D916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53903.mail.yahoo.com (web53903.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB8A43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53925 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lfvvq+BKI+bC4U+2qyu0Qvc1O2hrAmPKZO4es2m/EPOzTzAvcAbMsGIJWroXDWADQNvAmsdjf6PgUtv16cxV+vV4kUUjebb/bjPqacfXSzILTOrOH0EzbcczH9O2iVsB6lAckkU8n0rtWfqmfbnhRFC6rry7JMvwP26iqyC9tO4= ; Message-ID: <20050213032125.53923.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: rlurman@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 -0000 it was said: >1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Having such accounts doesn't give you a static IP. A static IP is one that never changes. Only your ISP (Adelphia, in your case) can supply that. >Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn >more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on >godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A >records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? No. You don't have a static IP, so this won't work. That's what companies like dyndns and no-ip.com are for. Read how their services work for an more detailed explanation. >2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? No. The only way to do reverse DNS is to have the IP(s) delegated to you by your ISP. Unless you get a large block of IP addresses assigned to you, this is unlikely to happen. (I have 16 addresses and my ISP said, "No!" when I asked. I knew they would, but one hopes....) >3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again >to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to >name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com >has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is >this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port >other than 25 like 8080? No. You'll have to use the reflector service. Mailservers try to connect to port 25 because that's the port the RFC says to use. Setting your server to 8080 will make it useless. >Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. You're wlecome. I suggest you read the book _DNS and BIND_ by Albitz and Liu, published by O'Reilly. It's generally considered the definitive work on this topic and will save you many hours of frustration. After reading it you'll know why you can run web and mail servers from a dynamic IP but not a name server. One thing to consider, clearly you don't have a commercial account. If I were you, I would check what Adelphia can do if they catch you running servers from a residental account. I know somebody that got caught by rr.com. They back billed him for a commercial account. It totaled more than US$6000.00. Of course, that's not as bad as what Buckeye Cable did to the users that uncapped their modems a couple years ago. http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Nov/gee20021122017460.htm Regards, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE3716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545AE43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1D3rbJG031091; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:36 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 -0000 At 2:06 AM -0800 2/12/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are >objecting to. I am glad to hear that this message was the last time you mention it. Thanks. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A988716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126643D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3seGf000879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:41 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3sdoY000877; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Hello Anthony > > Thanks for your reply. > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > > > > I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and > e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. > Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. > Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio stuff like AX.25 > > If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for most > of us. > > > Ramiro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:58:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36A616A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ED943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3wpGf000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:52 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3wplO000944 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:53 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still not good. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580FF16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.dantimax.dk (gw.dantimax.dk [62.242.11.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7923943D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcs@post5.tele.dk) Received: from post5.tele.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.dantimax.dk (Weasel v 1.20) for ; 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 Message-ID: <420ED139.3080409@post5.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 +0100 From: "Mikkel C. Simonsen" Organization: Dantimax User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4; da-DK; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 -0000 I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. Before installing 5.3 I tested 4.11 (with ACPI enabled), and on 4.11 shutdown -p worked. Is there some setting I can change on 5.3 to make it work there also? Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:00:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D66F16A4DB for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C7243D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0Aw6-0006OH-2y; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:41 -0700 To: "Thomas Foster" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:49 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: > >> My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install >> the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. >> -- >> Anthony >> > > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it > comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that > all depends on the environment... > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X than from Windows. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7B416A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7CA43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D41mGf000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:49 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D41m1A000976 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. > > > One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window > > System on an old pentium 75MHz. > > I've had FreeBSD hang while trying to use X servers, but I never could > establish whether the OS itself had frozen or whether it was just the > interface. It happened often enough that it was one of the reasons why > I abandoned any attempt to use a GUI. Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still running fine. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536016A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02943D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BGI-0007zd-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:37 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > >> I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor >> ultimately accountable for its code. > > Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from > vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support > requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract > if they fail to do so. > >> By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or >> whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no >> obligation to fix them. > > Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. ????? Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the source and the license to use it Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6ED16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53902.mail.yahoo.com (web53902.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 265D743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87286 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 04:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4LWjpB0HHcKFqKv9NNzL6TwH7xF1/yelYSZ6zVrSyzXhtZBy8GaaUw/6jcXAO2R5MEjPqT1mQcY6wA1Sg0Rvo3a7oTHlDxsKBs7vHpEWOBcb5nwC3CLk9YAVPKPBq9MqRxkIm5mfpRYpz0wssp/9HAfyhO3CnodWx3X2xj4Paio= ; Message-ID: <20050213042211.87284.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: mcs@post5.tele.dk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 -0000 it was said: >I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. >Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. > >If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. >Best regards, > >Mikkel C. Simonsen Hello, I just tested it on a 5.3_p5 box and it worked. Do you have ACPI enabled? Maybe a bug was fixed between _RELEASE and _p5? If you have ACPI enabled, try cvsupping. (Don't forget to read src/UPDATING if you do.) HTH, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F99216A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221C643D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BLi-00086a-Pe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:09 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > >> Rarely. > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible > with > other business partners. > >> Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >> format. > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage > in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably also to a BSD or Linux solution. The fact is you find it more convenient not too, even though you could, and would probably be happier without it. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E8716A4D3 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6125C43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from insanetoucan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so477891rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LvpRZNu9gQrCnwCOmXuqHArSwVKA0PX+zvD5PzC8KsgvNrVXTCH4Bq/9k0QBJ3uP88OtbRRPQUV9HpSLIbPQBn+6fMc3wNt3xN030hWlu4cmJT9QketlNBQGgcb6jkao6JOU4VEUD7SJEcP/KbAZrWM62jzlLsEMACGkqtEIE3s= Received: by 10.39.2.55 with SMTP id e55mr92611rni; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.63 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1c9889d1050212211073dcf01c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 From: InsaneToucan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Belkin wireless card issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: InsaneToucan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 -0000 Hey, I just installed FreeBSD and everything works great except for my networking. I have a computer with an integrated network card from Intel, which was picked up fine. However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as "unknown network device" Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:21:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D41B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14930.mail.yahoo.com (web14930.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F79D43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nirv199@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15732 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=teBMJ1uJRyF3vAEZNgBMchO2fhKUaQ+haMq0h3yrRN5pzNtedc7Js0t+eY5bfO+d11waR41iT7kp2j56LpiSZX00it4V1w5EIp96HCYKPELnLq+wXI87o7MJ3MSPOb2xsnjmgdxtLMOmfCOJoRhZZnzuy1VB+rQEvx+b/YoxwOg= ; Message-ID: <20050213052108.15730.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.88.219.149] by web14930.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Paulo Roberto To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: usb webcam recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Hello, Does anybody recommend any usb webcam that is freebsd supported, and still being sold? Googling (and reading the hardware notes for 5.3) I only found information regarding old (off the shelf) models. thanks, Paulo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ED216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.183] (port=4269 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1D0Ch8-000CSl-00; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:22 +0300 Message-ID: <420EEB50.7010304@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:20 +0300 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > >>Dan Nelson wrote: >> >>>In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: >>> >>>>I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to >>>>ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the >>>>ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in >>>>just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second >>>>long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the >>>>disconnect. The matter is that these applications can handle fairly >>>>large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least >>>>15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of >>>>the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. >>>> >>>>As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to >>>>conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? I am >>>>ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, but >>>>I'll look into any sources you advise. >>> >>>Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it >>>does, there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were >>>talking to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to >>>them from this other IP are unrelated. >> >>It changes only once in about a week. Let's say it doesn't change >>at all. What then? > > > I'm still suspicious :) The two most common causes for connection > resets are IP address changes and NAT resets. /usr/sbin/ppp keeps its > NAT table across disconnects as long as the process itself stays > running, so I don't think that's the cause. If you have root access to > a remote system, try running tcpdump on it and your local machine while > running something like top over ssh, and watch what happens when your > connection drops and reconnects. > No, there's really nothing to be suspicious about :) The IP doesn't change (well, in the process of IPCP it virtually does, first to 10.0.0.1/0 and then back to the assigned one - but that doesn't count, does it), the ppp process stays, but TCP/UDP streams are somehow interrupted. Don't worry anyway. Disconnects happen in 5-6 in the morning, when all the users are sleeping and the only one sleepless surfer is unlucky me, trying to seamlessly upgrade self-made internet connection sharing box from 4.10 to 5.3. BTW, if only anyone happens to know: I asked list before, but got no reply. When ISP actually assigns new IP address, I occasionally get double IPs on the tun0 interface (the old one and the new one simultaneously). Everything's working fine, but the dyndns updater can't recognize the IP change. Is there a way to fix this glitch/ feature? I've really manned and googled for it - without succes. Best wishes, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2188943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1D6OWE17960 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> Message-ID: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 Lots of stuff - satellite tracking, APRS, etc. There's a mailing list - BSD-Ham@mailman.qth.net - devoted to this. They're trying to get a separate ports area, instead of just "comms". -- Dave (vk2kfu) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950AE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AB043D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D6uBGf002455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D6uBOS002453; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:10 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: ann kok Message-ID: <20050213065610.GX8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > Does it set by the router itself? > Can I change it in freebsd? FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is probably 255. As long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a certain computer is never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. The highest I've seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have to grow a bit, I think, before it's an issue. > > Thank you > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 > time=100 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 > time=103 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 > time=106 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 > time=108 ms > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A1616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F243D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 914831C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74B5B1C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074555478.74B5B1C00090@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <674011089.20050213084555@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:57 -0000 Thomas Foster writes: > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes > to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. Mac used to have a very clear lead in this respect; today that lead has shrunk enormously. If that's all one does with the machine, the Mac is probably still a better choice; but if the machine must serve other purposes as well (accounting, and so on, as a small-business or home machine might), Windows again has the advantage. The Mac has a reputation as a computer for people who profess not to like computers, especially artists. Ever notice that just about everyone in the movies is using a Mac instead of a PC? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35E943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tindasz@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1671842wri for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hflMcN7L60x9q3gx++auJyhgrxpa5Mc7TfAcMx4KHVTXWznhet7v9rppTEGu5D3S9Bok63PP1ElQLXCfTrYY0n9lE5JN713ETI3S+E03J97/HWw6IqaYlZe3JacsC+F7culQJLQauG/TE6q8mZPI5pt76YpofZ/9stGBnabdDGQ= Received: by 10.54.46.64 with SMTP id t64mr163098wrt; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.56 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:48:32 +0700 From: jellf nainggolan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jellf nainggolan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 -0000 anyone can help me how to using cvsup and please step by step From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:49:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FACC16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3249A43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D97E1C00092 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3D23E1C00091 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074921250.3D23E1C00091@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1925624178.20050213084920@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 -0000 Chris writes: > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. > People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. By the way, which thread are you replying to again? Threads live when people participate in them. It takes at least two people to maintain a thread. There are many people posting to this thread, so it must be fairly interesting to list participants, even if it is not interesting to you. Personally, I reply to threads, I don't start them. If nobody else posts on the topic, it dies. I don't resurrect threads because I assume that if nobody else replies to a thread, it must no longer be of interest. And as for threads that don't interest me, I simply ignore them; I don't expect the rest of the list to stop posting to them for my benefit. Complaining about their off-topic character just adds to their length, or creates additional off-topic threads filled with complaint. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10443D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A4F861C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 850341C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075323544.850341C00089@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <308024811.20050213085323@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS privileges that contains bugs. > Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Look for common characteristics of the situations in which you observe a reboot (especially particular programs running, or particular hardware devices in use). > Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP > machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still > not good. It's a matter of user education; it has nothing to do with the OS. I haven't used systmatic rebooting to fix problems since the 16-bit Windows 3.x (the old Windows 9x family of operating systems could get stuck that way, but I went directly to NT myself and never bothered to waste my time with Windows 95). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:55:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E824E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AE722400110 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 700082400102 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075459458.700082400102@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:01 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, but since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another machine with X. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:56:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CEF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E9343D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD25F2001437 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9111E2001435 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075641594.9111E2001435@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <324321440.20050213085640@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another > machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Hmm ... I don't know if I ever tried that. > Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly > accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still > running fine. The words "directly accessing the hardware" send a chill down my spine. I already have to suffer with the instability and insecurity of Windows caused by precisely that in the GUI; I certainly don't want to make the same sacrifice on FreeBSD (or any other OS) just to see pretty pictures on the screen, when the machine is not a desktop. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:57:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC4016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 341B71C00175 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AB531C00174 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075737109.1AB531C00174@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software > can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that > support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the > source and the license to use it Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to be able to roll fixes into the official release. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DA316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC2E43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AA84A200143C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8A9EF200143B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213080020567.8A9EF200143B@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps > some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are those with an ax to grind. > Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced > with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably > also to a BSD or Linux solution. Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file formats of these applications. I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7500916A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdnerds.org (pcp0011384308pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net [69.248.83.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B7E43D1D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: by bsdnerds.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 772B56172; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by bsdnerds.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03DE615C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46955986; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC5916A4CF; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with E