From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 21:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32AC37B492 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (herbelot.net1.nerim.net [62.212.117.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422B843FDD for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Received: from diversion.herbelot.nom (diversion.herbelot.nom [192.168.2.6]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h684ogKP005553; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:50:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Thierry Herbelot To: bdodson@scms.utmb.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:49:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <16137.53692.783846.229641@histidine.utmb.edu> <200307072232.38920.thierry@herbelot.com> <16137.60355.414841.512621@histidine.utmb.edu> In-Reply-To: <16137.60355.414841.512621@histidine.utmb.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307080649.22328.thierry@herbelot.com> cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs installs of 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 04:49:32 -0000 Le Monday 07 July 2003 23:53, M. L. Dodson a écrit : > > That certainly makes sense. I might gently suggest to RE, etc > that they might want to reconsider the decision to put nfs on the > extra drivers floppy (I assume that is where it is). This really > trips up newbies (and some of us not so newbies). I ran across > this trying to help someone install 5.0 for the first time. He > had a bunch of machines to install (no cdroms), so I suggested > nfs and was completely surprised when it did not work. I > verified that he was not doing something obviously wrong before I > posted. He was very confused because he consulted essentially > all the FreeBSD books that had anything to say on the subject and > could not see what he was doing wrong (nor did I). > > This does not present a good first impression for the project. > > The nfs install, being documented in all the books, is much more > important than individual ethernet drivers. If nfs cannot be put > in the install kernel, then the nfs option should be removed from > sysinstall. All this IMO, of course. > > Bud Dodson Hello, I would not be as harsh as your comment : FreeBSD 5.x is still the experimental branch and the NFS install of 4.8 is painless. 5.1 is mainly for the early adopters, and these should expect having quite a bit of debugging, especially in "exotic" setups (this should be expected for a "user-supported" OS - and I do not want to go back to even RedTrap Linux). It seems the Internet bubble crash has had a very bad impact on the "human resources" available for the project, and it shows (the introduction of new features is perhaps slower ?). try sending a problem report cheers TfH