From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:16:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E52C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53907.mail.yahoo.com (web53907.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67B3443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59517 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 00:16:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2XX7SfE0mKVmpkuNhB6iTZlIo9yNtt/yISuyGXEAkF3MJD7Yqk75eG/jNiUdcIZ6Z6J6+0YPam3TawCUiHpnYvsH2uRoTRiBtY5411iknYJ4N8sGo7qKfvrTRavoIVxZX9jwQKms5t4jGG7s7w9x+KG9oWE5mveA68VfyF3csV8= ; Message-ID: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.157.54.246] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: des@des.no Subject: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 -0000 it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Smørgrav on Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005: >Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the >primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to >the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also fails >several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD >project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and >mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is >probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a >trademark. FINALLY! A worthwhile point of view - not obscured by emotion or reproduction mumbo-jumbo! These are extremely important points, the most important being Beastie doesn't belong to FreeBSD in any way, shape, or form. This fact renders all other arguments moot. Forget all of the "tradition", "offense", "professional", etc. time-wasting, bandwidth consuming crapola that's been posted on this topic. I submit that whether or not replacing Beastie as FBSD's main symbol is a good idea is irrelevant. It is _necessary_. A company needs to exclusively control an undiluted brand identifier. Does anyone know of a business, other than the odd one person or family run shop that doesn't have that? Would you trust a friend to hold the rights to your logo (mascot, whatever)? Then why should FreeBSD? Of course, the Project could buy the rights to Beastie, but then we run into the "dilution" problem Mr. Smørgrav mentions. The image is non-exclusive to FBSD. Even worse, I recall a post on questions@ by someone reporting its use by a condom machine company in England and Wales. Trying to enforce clear trademark use is hard enough. For the Project to go after unauthorized use of Beastie would be expensive and probably impossible. So there it is. Mr. Smørgrav should be thanked for a business-based reason for the change by making an irrefutable argument. Those that STILL disagree should consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual property law. Still going to use Beastie when I can, Stheg P.S. My agreement with Mr. Smørgrav's argument should not be construed as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. As is obvious, this was a very bad idea. I propose that in the future, such discussions be held on a special-use list to avoid the appearance of "you're neither important nor smart enough to discuss this" and to prevent the list-pollution we are now seeing on questions@. P.P.S. Whether you agree with my position on this or not, will those who comments on this topic have devolved into "I'm going to make my point to that idiot yet" posts PLEASE TAKE IT OFF QUESTIONS@? Your one-upmanship makes both sides look stupid and makes useful information, like Mr. Smørgrav's points, difficult to find. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442EF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57EF43D3F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2750551DF4; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: stheg olloydson Message-ID: <20050213004204.GA91920@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:16:21PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > P.S. My agreement with Mr. Sm?rgrav's argument should not be construed > as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way > this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few > commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place > among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. Sorry, but that's how the FreeBSD project works and always has worked. The FreeBSD Core team has always decided policy for the FreeBSD project, and they can handle it any way they like, including making unilateral decisions with consulting with the FreeBSD user base. For better or worse, FreeBSD is not a democracy of users - if you thought otherwise then you were just mistaken. Kris --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDqJbWry0BWjoQKURAkYiAKCJH9S36V+qhaG8c4r+WZvRX8+sLQCfcdZz 536HSGYZWm/+zGQdy6QD1Eo= =6nzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFCD43D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so482478rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JxdHTQVb7ZRLLJn9XieMvXbr2HooMp7IC+HG8ezrbsUiHbffJJQenrr1tEg02s/MOaLTKs4n5UDg1iRBcX2y0AMwtjAlL6puK81unCoEBIYcbE1hpL+suQxy8vy5bMe4tDATJ5jc+X8vKB5Psjelc7IokD4b+v6xilGV7oTig+g= Received: by 10.38.73.33 with SMTP id v33mr22891rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:52:08 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 -0000 This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally clear about yet. 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like 8080? Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A735C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7E43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C4D661C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC4DA1C0008E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014423705.AC4DA1C0008E@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <103254962.20050213024423@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > I think you know the answer to that question perfectly well. There is no answer to that question. That's part of the problem. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911B43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14F931C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F06211C00081 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014519984.F06211C00081@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:08 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1006435004.20050213024508@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 -0000 Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg writes: > A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) How does the downloader know whether the copy is authorized or not? How does he prove it to the copyright holder and/or the licensee? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:48:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFD316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E743D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 757CF1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 558E11C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014853350.558E11C00082@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 -0000 darren kirby writes: > That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, > but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million > different types of people that run it. There are almost no reasons to run Linux instead of UNIX. > Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two > operating systems is what the GUI looks like. No, although sometimes that is actually the case. > So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > In my experience, the developers are the quiet ones that speak with their > software. There are all sorts of developers nowadays. The days when they were all quiet are long gone. > Again, I am not trolling, and I am not a Linux zealot. I run FreeBSD, > Linux, Solaris and any other free unix I can get my hand on. Why? > Because I think they're cool. All of them. Including Linux. I run operating systems to get work done. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DDA43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5100234E7E3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. > > Recognizing, not supporting. Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. >> Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, >> because it's not what you want to hear. > > It's not a matter of what I want or don't want. I don't have any > choice. That's business. Rarely. You have no choice but to play Sims 2, eh? Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one format. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh But like I said...you don't want to seek a change, so you wouldn't even want to look for an alternative. Maybe not everyone out there looking for information is in your position, so I'd rather let them find this post with some hope of finding something that may suit their needs rather than your postings of "FreeBSD can't run , so don't even bother trying..." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05E916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A68C43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 090971C00087 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D936D1C00085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015358889.D936D1C00085@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:54:00 -0000 Paul Mather writes: > I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor > ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract if they fail to do so. > By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or > whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no > obligation to fix them. Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. > Also, if you read your license carefully, they don't guarantee the OS > will work, nor are you protected against it destroying your data. Many of those disclaimers have never been tested in court. The notion that all a software company need guarantee is a readable CD is very extreme and untested; personally, I rather doubt that it would survive a test. It's hard to explain why a mere CD should cost $2500. > MSCEs aren't "ultimately accountable" for Windows code, but they > get hired all the time to fix things and build solutions, right? They are hired to build, not to fix. When things need to be fixed, Microsoft Product Support gets the call. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B20716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330843D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 43E3A1C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 26D5A1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015655159.26D5A1C00084@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with other business partners. > Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one > format. Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best choice. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E1A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007E943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005021302022701600iges8e>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 -0000 > My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > -- > Anthony > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that all depends on the environment... What amazes me is the subject line of this thread feeding every single person to put their two cents in.. including myself.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2908916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D7243D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:31:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33596110 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27297-04 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985BA60F0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:32:12 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > >>Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > > >>Rarely. > > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with > other business partners. > > >>Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >>format. > > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. It's apparent that many wish not to try to stick with the rules of the list. That being said, I pose the question again to the moderator - Please, kill these threads that have nothing to do with the list itself. -- Best regards, Chris The big guys always win. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D8643D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so487048rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aVJmh0QPOvePdHuxNfnbM1oZB6cKju4Ks5044VyqoaLL3GdyqBd5bXilY4TIDsrRGmzbEu1RTjQP67efYZ0BGGMVqxW41Kbbkf4H+2DtZ4luax+7txhnDigelU3MlmHYFmZl4TQq46TqeXZv15Iu7VD96NjpAG2ZAG4XAQGVI68= Received: by 10.38.161.60 with SMTP id j60mr31251rne; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:35:59 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: where can i find the subfont.ttf ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 -0000 where can i find the subfont.ttf for mplayer ? ... Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:54:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grover.logicsquad.net (ppp140-249.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.140.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 276BF43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulh@logicsquad.net) Received: (qmail 8373 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Feb 2005 02:54:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030 From: "Paul A. Hoadley" To: RL Message-ID: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 -0000 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local script) to update your A record. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? =20 Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR record you will require. > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the host named in the A record. > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the right solution. > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > 8080? There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? --=20 Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFCDsFs730Z/jysbzIRAqwpAJY0qA3F2v+V7t+QDlRkFkbBL8uqAJ9jUXhe XnjmEc/emqj06M0AH3Ab2A== =UoRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B344C43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so488917rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mpHAYTk1LpPEV9CzFnnwbtqfimxfocNde0kF0UdpPa/Rc4BXnJ+g4pFrT5qB97DBZJDOFej1YqifYggzA3VBJggef8VrHGf+/xsyHT+N9THVayb8IeAHE5s/RO5HJlph3N7TqineeEwcdDI7EEU46gSRGUkwlY0gUMsrT77oP1I= Received: by 10.38.59.27 with SMTP id h27mr17354rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:11:38 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > > I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll > assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic > DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather > nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset > of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold > you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea > is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS > provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local > script) to update your A record. > > > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? > > Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address > to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to > manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, > but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two > nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could > personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the > issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the > corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR > record you will require. > > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? > > This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone > file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the > host named in the A record. > > > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? > > If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to > get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the > right solution. > > > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > > 8080? > > There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. > However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If > your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? > > -- > Paul. > > w http://logicsquad.net/ > h http://paul.hoadley.name/ > > > Yeah and crappy Adelphia doesn't offer static IPs without charging way way too much. At least I should be able to set up my own mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161D916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53903.mail.yahoo.com (web53903.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB8A43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53925 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lfvvq+BKI+bC4U+2qyu0Qvc1O2hrAmPKZO4es2m/EPOzTzAvcAbMsGIJWroXDWADQNvAmsdjf6PgUtv16cxV+vV4kUUjebb/bjPqacfXSzILTOrOH0EzbcczH9O2iVsB6lAckkU8n0rtWfqmfbnhRFC6rry7JMvwP26iqyC9tO4= ; Message-ID: <20050213032125.53923.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: rlurman@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 -0000 it was said: >1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Having such accounts doesn't give you a static IP. A static IP is one that never changes. Only your ISP (Adelphia, in your case) can supply that. >Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn >more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on >godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A >records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? No. You don't have a static IP, so this won't work. That's what companies like dyndns and no-ip.com are for. Read how their services work for an more detailed explanation. >2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? No. The only way to do reverse DNS is to have the IP(s) delegated to you by your ISP. Unless you get a large block of IP addresses assigned to you, this is unlikely to happen. (I have 16 addresses and my ISP said, "No!" when I asked. I knew they would, but one hopes....) >3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again >to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to >name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com >has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is >this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port >other than 25 like 8080? No. You'll have to use the reflector service. Mailservers try to connect to port 25 because that's the port the RFC says to use. Setting your server to 8080 will make it useless. >Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. You're wlecome. I suggest you read the book _DNS and BIND_ by Albitz and Liu, published by O'Reilly. It's generally considered the definitive work on this topic and will save you many hours of frustration. After reading it you'll know why you can run web and mail servers from a dynamic IP but not a name server. One thing to consider, clearly you don't have a commercial account. If I were you, I would check what Adelphia can do if they catch you running servers from a residental account. I know somebody that got caught by rr.com. They back billed him for a commercial account. It totaled more than US$6000.00. Of course, that's not as bad as what Buckeye Cable did to the users that uncapped their modems a couple years ago. http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Nov/gee20021122017460.htm Regards, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE3716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545AE43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1D3rbJG031091; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:36 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 -0000 At 2:06 AM -0800 2/12/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are >objecting to. I am glad to hear that this message was the last time you mention it. Thanks. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A988716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126643D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3seGf000879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:41 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3sdoY000877; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Hello Anthony > > Thanks for your reply. > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > > > > I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and > e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. > Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. > Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio stuff like AX.25 > > If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for most > of us. > > > Ramiro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:58:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36A616A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ED943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3wpGf000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:52 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3wplO000944 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:53 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still not good. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580FF16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.dantimax.dk (gw.dantimax.dk [62.242.11.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7923943D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcs@post5.tele.dk) Received: from post5.tele.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.dantimax.dk (Weasel v 1.20) for ; 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 Message-ID: <420ED139.3080409@post5.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 +0100 From: "Mikkel C. Simonsen" Organization: Dantimax User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4; da-DK; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 -0000 I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. Before installing 5.3 I tested 4.11 (with ACPI enabled), and on 4.11 shutdown -p worked. Is there some setting I can change on 5.3 to make it work there also? Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:00:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D66F16A4DB for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C7243D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0Aw6-0006OH-2y; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:41 -0700 To: "Thomas Foster" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:49 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: > >> My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install >> the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. >> -- >> Anthony >> > > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it > comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that > all depends on the environment... > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X than from Windows. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7B416A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7CA43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D41mGf000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:49 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D41m1A000976 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. > > > One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window > > System on an old pentium 75MHz. > > I've had FreeBSD hang while trying to use X servers, but I never could > establish whether the OS itself had frozen or whether it was just the > interface. It happened often enough that it was one of the reasons why > I abandoned any attempt to use a GUI. Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still running fine. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536016A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02943D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BGI-0007zd-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:37 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > >> I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor >> ultimately accountable for its code. > > Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from > vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support > requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract > if they fail to do so. > >> By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or >> whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no >> obligation to fix them. > > Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. ????? Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the source and the license to use it Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6ED16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53902.mail.yahoo.com (web53902.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 265D743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87286 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 04:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4LWjpB0HHcKFqKv9NNzL6TwH7xF1/yelYSZ6zVrSyzXhtZBy8GaaUw/6jcXAO2R5MEjPqT1mQcY6wA1Sg0Rvo3a7oTHlDxsKBs7vHpEWOBcb5nwC3CLk9YAVPKPBq9MqRxkIm5mfpRYpz0wssp/9HAfyhO3CnodWx3X2xj4Paio= ; Message-ID: <20050213042211.87284.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: mcs@post5.tele.dk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 -0000 it was said: >I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. >Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. > >If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. >Best regards, > >Mikkel C. Simonsen Hello, I just tested it on a 5.3_p5 box and it worked. Do you have ACPI enabled? Maybe a bug was fixed between _RELEASE and _p5? If you have ACPI enabled, try cvsupping. (Don't forget to read src/UPDATING if you do.) HTH, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F99216A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221C643D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BLi-00086a-Pe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:09 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > >> Rarely. > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible > with > other business partners. > >> Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >> format. > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage > in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably also to a BSD or Linux solution. The fact is you find it more convenient not too, even though you could, and would probably be happier without it. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E8716A4D3 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6125C43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from insanetoucan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so477891rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LvpRZNu9gQrCnwCOmXuqHArSwVKA0PX+zvD5PzC8KsgvNrVXTCH4Bq/9k0QBJ3uP88OtbRRPQUV9HpSLIbPQBn+6fMc3wNt3xN030hWlu4cmJT9QketlNBQGgcb6jkao6JOU4VEUD7SJEcP/KbAZrWM62jzlLsEMACGkqtEIE3s= Received: by 10.39.2.55 with SMTP id e55mr92611rni; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.63 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1c9889d1050212211073dcf01c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 From: InsaneToucan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Belkin wireless card issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: InsaneToucan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 -0000 Hey, I just installed FreeBSD and everything works great except for my networking. I have a computer with an integrated network card from Intel, which was picked up fine. However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as "unknown network device" Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:21:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D41B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14930.mail.yahoo.com (web14930.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F79D43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nirv199@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15732 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=teBMJ1uJRyF3vAEZNgBMchO2fhKUaQ+haMq0h3yrRN5pzNtedc7Js0t+eY5bfO+d11waR41iT7kp2j56LpiSZX00it4V1w5EIp96HCYKPELnLq+wXI87o7MJ3MSPOb2xsnjmgdxtLMOmfCOJoRhZZnzuy1VB+rQEvx+b/YoxwOg= ; Message-ID: <20050213052108.15730.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.88.219.149] by web14930.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Paulo Roberto To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: usb webcam recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Hello, Does anybody recommend any usb webcam that is freebsd supported, and still being sold? Googling (and reading the hardware notes for 5.3) I only found information regarding old (off the shelf) models. thanks, Paulo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ED216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.183] (port=4269 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1D0Ch8-000CSl-00; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:22 +0300 Message-ID: <420EEB50.7010304@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:20 +0300 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > >>Dan Nelson wrote: >> >>>In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: >>> >>>>I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to >>>>ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the >>>>ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in >>>>just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second >>>>long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the >>>>disconnect. The matter is that these applications can handle fairly >>>>large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least >>>>15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of >>>>the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. >>>> >>>>As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to >>>>conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? I am >>>>ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, but >>>>I'll look into any sources you advise. >>> >>>Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it >>>does, there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were >>>talking to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to >>>them from this other IP are unrelated. >> >>It changes only once in about a week. Let's say it doesn't change >>at all. What then? > > > I'm still suspicious :) The two most common causes for connection > resets are IP address changes and NAT resets. /usr/sbin/ppp keeps its > NAT table across disconnects as long as the process itself stays > running, so I don't think that's the cause. If you have root access to > a remote system, try running tcpdump on it and your local machine while > running something like top over ssh, and watch what happens when your > connection drops and reconnects. > No, there's really nothing to be suspicious about :) The IP doesn't change (well, in the process of IPCP it virtually does, first to 10.0.0.1/0 and then back to the assigned one - but that doesn't count, does it), the ppp process stays, but TCP/UDP streams are somehow interrupted. Don't worry anyway. Disconnects happen in 5-6 in the morning, when all the users are sleeping and the only one sleepless surfer is unlucky me, trying to seamlessly upgrade self-made internet connection sharing box from 4.10 to 5.3. BTW, if only anyone happens to know: I asked list before, but got no reply. When ISP actually assigns new IP address, I occasionally get double IPs on the tun0 interface (the old one and the new one simultaneously). Everything's working fine, but the dyndns updater can't recognize the IP change. Is there a way to fix this glitch/ feature? I've really manned and googled for it - without succes. Best wishes, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2188943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1D6OWE17960 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> Message-ID: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 Lots of stuff - satellite tracking, APRS, etc. There's a mailing list - BSD-Ham@mailman.qth.net - devoted to this. They're trying to get a separate ports area, instead of just "comms". -- Dave (vk2kfu) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950AE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AB043D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D6uBGf002455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D6uBOS002453; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:10 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: ann kok Message-ID: <20050213065610.GX8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > Does it set by the router itself? > Can I change it in freebsd? FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is probably 255. As long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a certain computer is never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. The highest I've seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have to grow a bit, I think, before it's an issue. > > Thank you > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 > time=100 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 > time=103 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 > time=106 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 > time=108 ms > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A1616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F243D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 914831C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74B5B1C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074555478.74B5B1C00090@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <674011089.20050213084555@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:57 -0000 Thomas Foster writes: > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes > to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. Mac used to have a very clear lead in this respect; today that lead has shrunk enormously. If that's all one does with the machine, the Mac is probably still a better choice; but if the machine must serve other purposes as well (accounting, and so on, as a small-business or home machine might), Windows again has the advantage. The Mac has a reputation as a computer for people who profess not to like computers, especially artists. Ever notice that just about everyone in the movies is using a Mac instead of a PC? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35E943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tindasz@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1671842wri for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hflMcN7L60x9q3gx++auJyhgrxpa5Mc7TfAcMx4KHVTXWznhet7v9rppTEGu5D3S9Bok63PP1ElQLXCfTrYY0n9lE5JN713ETI3S+E03J97/HWw6IqaYlZe3JacsC+F7culQJLQauG/TE6q8mZPI5pt76YpofZ/9stGBnabdDGQ= Received: by 10.54.46.64 with SMTP id t64mr163098wrt; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.56 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:48:32 +0700 From: jellf nainggolan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jellf nainggolan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 -0000 anyone can help me how to using cvsup and please step by step From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:49:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FACC16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3249A43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D97E1C00092 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3D23E1C00091 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074921250.3D23E1C00091@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1925624178.20050213084920@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 -0000 Chris writes: > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. > People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. By the way, which thread are you replying to again? Threads live when people participate in them. It takes at least two people to maintain a thread. There are many people posting to this thread, so it must be fairly interesting to list participants, even if it is not interesting to you. Personally, I reply to threads, I don't start them. If nobody else posts on the topic, it dies. I don't resurrect threads because I assume that if nobody else replies to a thread, it must no longer be of interest. And as for threads that don't interest me, I simply ignore them; I don't expect the rest of the list to stop posting to them for my benefit. Complaining about their off-topic character just adds to their length, or creates additional off-topic threads filled with complaint. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10443D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A4F861C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 850341C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075323544.850341C00089@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <308024811.20050213085323@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS privileges that contains bugs. > Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Look for common characteristics of the situations in which you observe a reboot (especially particular programs running, or particular hardware devices in use). > Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP > machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still > not good. It's a matter of user education; it has nothing to do with the OS. I haven't used systmatic rebooting to fix problems since the 16-bit Windows 3.x (the old Windows 9x family of operating systems could get stuck that way, but I went directly to NT myself and never bothered to waste my time with Windows 95). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:55:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E824E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AE722400110 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 700082400102 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075459458.700082400102@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:01 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, but since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another machine with X. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:56:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CEF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E9343D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD25F2001437 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9111E2001435 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075641594.9111E2001435@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <324321440.20050213085640@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another > machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Hmm ... I don't know if I ever tried that. > Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly > accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still > running fine. The words "directly accessing the hardware" send a chill down my spine. I already have to suffer with the instability and insecurity of Windows caused by precisely that in the GUI; I certainly don't want to make the same sacrifice on FreeBSD (or any other OS) just to see pretty pictures on the screen, when the machine is not a desktop. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:57:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC4016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 341B71C00175 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AB531C00174 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075737109.1AB531C00174@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software > can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that > support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the > source and the license to use it Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to be able to roll fixes into the official release. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DA316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC2E43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AA84A200143C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8A9EF200143B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213080020567.8A9EF200143B@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps > some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are those with an ax to grind. > Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced > with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably > also to a BSD or Linux solution. Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file formats of these applications. I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7500916A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdnerds.org (pcp0011384308pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net [69.248.83.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B7E43D1D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: by bsdnerds.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 772B56172; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by bsdnerds.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03DE615C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46955986; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC5916A4CF; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on bsdnerds.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.5 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.64 Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB1843D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0ExL-0001w7-Ub for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:18:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:18:15 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:54 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and >> do >> all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS >> X >> than from Windows. > > Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation and shell compatibility. As I said, I have not used this one, but all the other windows ones I have tried sucked royally. > > I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked reasonably well. > but > since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't > been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another > machine with X. I was not talking about an X11 server. I do have one on my Mac but I rarely run it. I occasionally have a need. I was talking about native Mac OS X capabilities and applications. The userland is based on the FreeBSD one, though the underlying kernel and plumbing are a custom Mach solution. Since OS X is a unix-life platform, and has the same toolchain and a very similar environment to FreeBSD and Linux, it meshes a lot easier. I have a Windows XP machine sitting here that dual boots with NT. I rarely boot it though. I do have one website that was developed in a Windows (-only) based program that needs to be updated occasionally (soon to be replaced by a WebObjects dynamic app)... And a few games that I have not bothered to play in months are on the machine. I do everything else on my Mac(s) including bookkeeping/accounting for a couple of businesses, credit card authorizations, software development, email, browsing, netnews, Terminal and ssh into my FreeBSD and lone Linux servers, database admin, word processing, presentations, graphics/photo and video editing (not a lot of the latter unfortunately), and many other things. And I am not a magnet for viruses, spyware, adware, I do not pay a MS tax anymore (I don't plan on updating my Windows machine) and I am much more productive than I was when the Windows 2000 machine was my main workstation. They just work. Something that Windows cannot always say (driver, dll, etc conflicts, screwed up registry [my W2000 machine is dying a slow death of rot and decay -- I have not a clue on what is wrong but it seems to decay over time as the registry corrupts and rots], etc). I don't see lots of freeze ups and BSOD anymore on Windows -- that has gotten better -- but the inconsistencies and the rot and decay that gradually make the machines less stable (without the spyware/adware/malware too) is enough for me. (And yes, Windows rots and decays, most likely from registry corruptions -- the registry is the dumbest thing they could do -- a single massive point of failure). And I am a techno-geek -- not some average joe user who wouldn't have a clue. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:22:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF39716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F6B43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0F1W-0002gu-CU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:22:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:22:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:35 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software >> can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that >> support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the >> source and the license to use it > > Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to > be able to roll fixes into the official release. ????? What the heck does this mean? I would bet that most larger installations of Linux or FreeBSD or any other open source OS would be considered non-standard. Heck, I bet YOUR installation of FreeBSD could be considered non-standard. Your statement make absolutely no sense. If the fix that you decry is a reasonable fix, who says it can't be rolled back into an "official" release. This is open source after all. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9929416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E4F43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0F5k-0002lR-06 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:26:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:26:55 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in >> perhaps >> some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. > > Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The > only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are > those with an ax to grind. In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) makes them totally inconvenient. > >> Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced >> with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably >> also to a BSD or Linux solution. > > Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file > formats of these applications. Sure it does. Apples new Pages.app "word processor" reads and writes Word .DOC files. OpenOffice can too. Maybe not 100%, but very close, and Microsoft does not guarantee 100% either from version to version. In most cases, except for customized vertical market solutions, Mac OS X and probably in many cases also FreeBSD offers solutions that work with native files. On OS X, you often HAVE the native program, like Photoshop, for example. > > I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and > bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, > unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. There are lots of options for people whose eyes are not closed. The link published in one of these threads about the Ernie Ball guitar string company was interesting. Where there is a will there is a way. Where there is no will, you get stuck with M$ OK, I am done replying to these threads. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798CB16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE2C43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 214C91C0008A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E619B1C00086 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213083053942.E619B1C00086@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:55 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client > inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation > and shell compatibility. SecureCRT emulates a terminal, and does so in a way that is particularly compatible with UNIX systems (with which it is very heavily used--the vendor caters to UNIX users). It emulates eleven different types of terminal, including VTxxx, Xterm, Vshell (proprietary, I think), WYSE, SCO ANSI, and so on. You can set the desired base emulation and then modify the details to get a terminal emulation that exactly suits you. > As I said, I have not used this one, but all the other windows ones I > have tried sucked royally. This one was recommended by an ISP to me years ago, and it was so good that I've never tried anything else. See http://www.vandyke.com. > They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years > ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked > reasonably well. How much did he pay for it? Many of the ones I saw cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, and there was still no guarantee that they'd work well. The few free ones I tried did not work well at all. I'm still interested in learning more, though. However, I won't run x-anything on my FreeBSD system unless it will run without destabilizing changes to the OS (no change in securelevel, no kernel reconfiguration, no special system software modules or daemons). > I do everything else on my Mac(s) including bookkeeping/accounting for > a couple of businesses, credit card authorizations, software > development, email, browsing, netnews, Terminal and ssh into my FreeBSD > and lone Linux servers, database admin, word processing, presentations, > graphics/photo and video editing (not a lot of the latter > unfortunately), and many other things. Having UNIX underneath surely helps, although it has broken some classic Mac applications. > And I am not a magnet for viruses, spyware, adware ... The target is too small, few kiddies are interested in attacking it. > ... I do not pay a MS tax anymore ... You pay a double tax to Apple instead, for both software and hardware. > And yes, Windows rots and decays, most likely from > registry corruptions -- the registry is the dumbest thing they could do > -- a single massive point of failure ... No, they've done even worse: Active Directory. I don't like those single points of failure, either. And even though the advantage of a registry is supposed to be that it provides "one-stop shopping" for configuration data, it turns out that the same data is often stored in a dozen different places in the registry ... sometimes by different releases of the same software (and some of that software is from Microsoft, so they're just as guilty of it as anyone else). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:38:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067F316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B2A43D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0FH9-0003Sa-GA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:38:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:38:42 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:44 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years >> ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked >> reasonably well. > > How much did he pay for it? I don't know which one he used. Sorry. > Many of the ones I saw cost hundreds or > thousands of dollars, and there was still no guarantee that they'd work > well. The few free ones I tried did not work well at all. I'm still > interested in learning more, though. However, I won't run x-anything > on > my FreeBSD system unless it will run without destabilizing changes to > the OS (no change in securelevel, no kernel reconfiguration, no special > system software modules or daemons). You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on your FBSD Server machine. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:40:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5B016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27C43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 881CD1C0009C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5CFDD1C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213084049381.5CFDD1C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1153299714.20050213094049@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > ????? What the heck does this mean? It means that large organizations want to have a single official release of the OS running on all servers, and they expect that release to come formally from a specific official source. Hacking changes into the code and then installing that in production is not acceptable. Often every change to the OS must go through a test and rollout process that can take months at some companies. Emergency patches must be tested in advance by the vendor, and the vendor must stand behind them. > I would bet that most larger installations of Linux or FreeBSD or any > other open source OS would be considered non-standard. Yes. That's why so many companies run Solaris instead. > Heck, I bet YOUR installation of FreeBSD could be considered > non-standard. As the owner of the system, I define what is standard on my site, and I consider FreeBSD 5.3 to be standard. I don't make any modifications of my own to the code, though. > Your statement make absolutely no sense. It does to someone who has worked in this kind of environment for several decades. There are still companies running Windows 3.x because it is so long and difficult to roll out anything new. > If the fix that you decry is a reasonable fix, who says it can't be > rolled back into an "official" release. It can be, but until that is done, many organizations won't touch it. There's another separate issue with source fixes. It's a common misconception that anyone with access to source can just dive into it and fix any problem. In practice, that is never the case. Nobody has all of any OS memorized, and no one person can dive into the code of any OS and come up with fixes to every problem. Even among official developers, typically each developer knows only his own code extremely well, and has only a vague idea of how the rest of the code works. While it is true that you could theoretically fix anything in time with access to source, in practice the time required is so long that it is effectively impossible in many situations ... you _must_ enlist the help of one or more developers familiar with the code segments that have to be fixed. And that in turn means that, in order to provide full support, you must be able to compel the cooperation of developers. Proprietary vendors can do this; open-source organizations cannot. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:49:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FB143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 511031C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1DF061C00083 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:27 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213084927122.1DF061C00083@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <342335131.20050213094926@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:29 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. There are a hundred million users out there who disagree. > The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) > makes them totally inconvenient. See above. > Sure it does. Apples new Pages.app "word processor" reads and writes > Word .DOC files. OpenOffice can too. Maybe not 100%, but very close, > and Microsoft does not guarantee 100% either from version to version. Sometimes 99% isn't good enough. And there are hundreds of formats to be accommodated. > In most cases, except for customized vertical market solutions, Mac OS > X and probably in many cases also FreeBSD offers solutions that work > with native files. On OS X, you often HAVE the native program, like > Photoshop, for example. Like Photoshop, but not like many others. > There are lots of options for people whose eyes are not closed. There are few options for people who use computers for work, and not for play. Using computers is not a game for most of the population; it's not a hobby or even a pleasant way to spend time. They just need computers to do their work. The fastest way to do that work is to install what everyone else is using, do the work, and be done with it. They don't care what the geeks think. They don't even care about viruses, spyware, adware, or anything like that, as long as they can finish their reports by the end of the day. But if anything gets in the way of them finishing their work, they get very, very upset. Any deviation from the mainstream is likely to do that, and so the safest route for them is Windows. > The link published in one of these threads about the Ernie Ball guitar > string company was interesting. Where there is a will there is a way. > Where there is no will, you get stuck with M$ You don't understand. Most people have no bone to pick with Microsoft. They don't hate Microsoft. In fact, they couldn't care less about Microsoft. To them, insisting on a non-Microsoft solution is about as relevant and important as insisting on an Airbus aircraft for their flights home on Thanksgiving. They just do not care, nor should they have to care. The best solution for them is Windows. It's simple, fast, used by everyone, and allows them to return to important things in their lives as quickly and easily as possible after using the PC. The attitudes of IT departments that run servers are different, but the effects are often the same. In small IT departments with a shortage of qualified personnel, Windows is often the easiest server solution. In larger departments with UNIX expertise, Solaris is very attractive (for reasons I've previously explained). After that comes Linux, because of all the hype around the OS. Only IT staffs that look very carefully at their OS choices will be likely to install FreeBSD; it's a great OS, but it has no name recognition, and it has no formal support or vendor structure ... it just comes from "somewhere," and there's nobody to turn to if it crashes. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1837B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C228843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 073891C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D9A111C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213085312891.D9A111C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:12 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:14 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this > works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations > changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is > then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the > display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and > can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only > and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on > your FBSD Server machine. I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, but what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems that everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working with Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be done from a command line). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491D616A4E4 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zephon.secspace.de (zephon.secspace.de [62.75.136.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB26943D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml@ps102.de) Received: from [192.168.17.11] (pD95F2B4C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.95.43.76]) by zephon.secspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4E6EB29; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F1963.3060609@ps102.de> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:55 +0100 From: Volker Kindermann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RL References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:36 -0000 > This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a > new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally > clear about yet. > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A > records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to > name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com > has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is > this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port > other than 25 like 8080? I don't know the situation in your country. But here in germany you can rent a lowend dedicated server for about 40 $/month. With static IP and mostly with one or more domain-names. With such a server you can do all what you want without the problems coming from the dynamic IP. Perhaps that'll be an alternative for you. -volker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:37:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B522C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAC943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GBc-0000pU-0k; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:06 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GBa-0003kB-8h; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Daniela In-Reply-To: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> Message-ID: References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > is the intranet IP of the router. > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you don't want to do this. The 10.0.0.0/8 block of addresses is explicitly for private use and is not routable on the internet. If your firewall is causing problems with this setup, you might need to re-examine your firewall settings. Having said that: technically, you specify source addresses for connections by calling bind(2) prior to calling connect(2). If you fail to do this, the operating system will select a source IP address for you. This'll often be the IP of the outgoing interface. Unless your particular application explicitly supports the selection of source addresses, you're mostly out of luck. For instance, ping(8) supports this (see the -S option). Cheers, jan -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Bolstered by my success with vi, I proceeded to learn C with 'learn c'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:38:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064F416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A7143D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GD1-0000vZ-MU; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:32 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GD1-0003pm-Ai; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Daniela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:34 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Jan Grant wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: > > > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > > is the intranet IP of the router. > > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. > > Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with > all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you > don't want to do this. Excuse my misinformation. Misread "inside" for "outside". -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Solution: (n) a watered-down version of something neat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6F816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D2943D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamanism@ntlworld.com) Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050213100627.PNWM29900.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [81.105.118.160]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050213100627.NYXZ15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0000 From: kamanism@ntlworld.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:15 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131006.15834.kamanism@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:30 -0000 ***you are a man of high ideas Ted, but you are overlooking a fundamental aspect, that ALL LIFE IS TEMPORAL - AND MOVES ON WITH CONTINUAL CHANGE AND IMPROVEMENT which means to say : DONT CLING TO THE PAST WHEN OPPORTUNITIES TO PROGRESS OCCUR ***for example almost every week i sort thru the computer room - updating files and hardware, and most importantly CHUCKING OUT old stuff that is obsolete or doesnt work. if i didnt do that the room would be jammed solid. Just the same with your MIND. clear out the junk and move on. PEOPLE DIE. LOVED ONES DIE. we will meet them again ONE DAY, but in the mean-time MOVE ON. more people to meet. more things to do. MORE OVERSTANDING OF THE TOTAL PATTERN OF LIFE TO OBTAIN. you dont have to be religious to believe in the AFTERLIFE and PURPOSE. CHOP THE BEASTIE if you feel like it ! if "god" starts annoying you, then tell it (that Kamanistic Temporal Image) to fuck off. put a FRESH new label on, and start a fresh NEW DAY :) does not mean you forget the past and origins, just means you dont get DRAGGED BACK by them. ***wow, thats a load off my chest ! now something technical Ted can you tell me please how to change the Screen resolution ? [exact command line please - im an fbsd rookie]. many thanks :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Saturday 12 February 2005 09:49, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > You and I both understand the ideals at stake with Beastie. But an even > more > important ideal is that a civilized person fights against something > he sees that is wrong, he does not remain silent. Remaining > silent when an injustice is being done makes you no better than > the criminal doing the injustice. Even if we lose this and are > pushed over, it doesen't matter, because when we chose to > fight, even though we lose, that means we have won when it comes to > the higher ideal of fighting against injustice. > > I feel sorry for people like Garance, really. Here's a person > who is tired of explaining Beastie, in short, he is tired of > explaining the ideals of why FreeBSD is important. To him, FreeBSD > is just another operating system - it's a better tool than the > others, yes, but to him that is all there is to it. He doesen't > really care about the ideals behind Open Source, not emotionally > that is. To him it is all intellectual. He has no passion anymore > for it, if he ever did. His goal is to see FreeBSD expanded > simply because it's better than all the other operating systems, > and he is willing even to sacrifice things that are integral > to it - such as Beastie - in his quest to expand it. > What he sadly doesen't understand is that going down this > road means that at every turn you compromise something else, and > that by the time you get to the end of the road, what you have > been carrying is so twisted and changed that you hate it and > hate yourself for allowing it to be ruined. > > You and I we know that there is more to the FreeBSD operating > system movement than mere software. And a lot of the userbase > understands this at a gut level too. We may not be > able to immediately frame in words what that indefinable > thing is - but we know it's there. Unless you want to switch > that part of yourself off, your not going to be able to help > seeing that what is happening is wrong. And when you know > that something is wrong, you also know that you have a duty > to speak out about it. > > Also, don't forget that there are many people that who are > just beginning to understand what FreeBSD is all about. Even > though they don't fully understand what makes FreeBSD so > special and unique yet, this issue still matters to them, and > they are depending on folks like us who do fully understand > it. We also have a duty to them to speak out. > > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B6D16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enterprise.thenetnow.com (enterprise.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from GRANT (hpeel.ody.ca [216.240.12.2])j1DAcdt80217 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:38:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Message-ID: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:38:36 -0500 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0000 Hi all, I have been lambasted a number of times here and there for installing software from source as oppoesed to from ports. My question of the day is, if I need some special ./configure or make arguments added to the build command, how can I install a port with those extra args. exapmple, if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:46:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7D316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B498643D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 22232 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 10:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 10:46:38 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:47:08 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: routing help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:40 -0000 I need a way of routing all udp & http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:51:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742C816A4FD for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAB943D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.hauber@mchsi.com) Received: from wizard.valleygate.net (12-219-204-24.client.mchsi.com[12.219.204.24]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050213105144m9200bfevke>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:44 +0000 From: Mike Hauber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:54:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502130554.22264.m.hauber@mchsi.com> cc: jellf nainggolan Subject: Re: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: m.hauber@mchsi.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:48 am, jellf nainggolan wrote: > anyone can help me how to using cvsup > and please step by step The handbook not only gives you step-by-step directions for using cvsup, but it also tells you what you're doing while you're at it. The specific link you're looking for is as follows (may have wrapped): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html The Handbook is the FreeBSD Bible, and everytime you read it, you'll pick up something new. Also, the 'man' command helps quite a bit, too. :) HTH, Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:04:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A53A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vsmtp14.tin.it (vsmtp14.tin.it [212.216.176.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA4A43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.demartino2@virgilio.it) Received: from wireless (80.117.237.225) by vsmtp14.tin.it (7.0.027) id 420DF9560004E6D7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:53 +0100 From: Vittorio To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:23 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> Subject: Resuming compilation sesssion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 -0000 With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want make make install clean But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared with other people. How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? Ciao Vittorio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC4816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ABB43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AC2FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:18 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Peel References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> In-Reply-To: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:23 -0000 Grant Peel wrote: > if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to > the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to > the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? The options are unfortunately not always too well documented. Some ports open a menu on your first install and lets you choose the options you want. Your options are stored in a configure file for next time you upgrade. This is the new way and should be expected in the future. Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a lot of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options. When posible, I recommend installing with default options and configure those options manually, otherwise, remember to save your custom options somewhere. It makes upgrade easier. Compiling apache with frontpage, you install your favorite flavour of apache, then mod_frontpage. AFAIK, all the www/mod_ ports are modules for apache. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FA616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50D443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99CFFD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F360C.506@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:12 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vittorio References: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> In-Reply-To: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resuming compilation sesssion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:15 -0000 Vittorio wrote: > With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: > cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want > make > make install clean > > But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared > with other people. > > How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? If you -c, then compilation breaks. As long as the 'make clean' has not been done, next time you 'make' it will continue where it stopped. If it is only a short period, you can -z (suspend), then you can see the job with 'jobs', make it nice 'renice -20 %', start it again in background with 'bg %1' or in foreground with 'fg %1'. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:15:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A307416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40BB43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1D0Iep-0001EB-0A; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:15:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:15:21 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1944167642.20050213131521@hexren.net> To: Warren In-Reply-To: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> References: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:25 -0000 W> I need a way of routing all udp & http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit W> machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go W> about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. --------------------------------------------- Install pf,ipfw or ipf (I prefer pf but thats opionion) and use the port forwarding features built into the firewall. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4358916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80543D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon.burke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1683226wri for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KS4kNgrjFiAhqyz/xBMcwijfGi6itQark3ShSwazOdlbOHh21MIAzvsGt1H7J8LoUgxlnfjrlnO/NxKExswLCmLP4KfOE+0pD3TSIsrHdwGfGwsq52uBxk1iUfKYZCBXx1uVVeSqppD6zOV5DsJr8a0pgbVefm4NpwROU/aRGVM= Received: by 10.54.56.55 with SMTP id e55mr102427wra; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.11.63 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:52 +0000 From: Simon Burke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr In-Reply-To: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Burke List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:53 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:45 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > > I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What > > ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows > > machines, never my own because it always just works. > > Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to run > on a FreeBSD desktop: > > Adobe Photoshop Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP > Adobe Illustrator Use on IRIX, also plenty of gpl etc vector drawing tools are available, > Quark XPress Scribus > The Sims 2 Works via cedega > Flight Simulator Flight gear > UltraEdit VI, emacs > Visual InterDev Dreamweaver via wine, vi, emacs > Microsoft Word > Microsoft Excel > Microsoft PowerPoint All of MS office can be run via wine, (im using office 2000), or openoffice, koffice, gnome office > Microsoft Money Gnucash > The Bat! evolution, thunderbird, sylpheed even > Opera Available for freeBSD > Firefox In ports > Microsoft Internet Explorer Firefox, or can use via wine > Corel KnockOut Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? > Flight Check That looks like soft thats only needed by bad designers, I work with/for design companies on a daily basis and they dont use it > Bar Code Pro BARZ_OUT pro > MathType Openoffice Math > SecureFX gftp does this > SecureCRT ssh, kssh > SFS If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, XFS, > Rebel GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy > Fritz 6.0 knights > POV-Ray how about erm.. POV-ray? > Adobe PageMaker Openoffice,scribus > Adobe Streamline Autotrace > Adobe Acrobat (full version) openoffice, scribus, > Paint Shop Pro GIMP > Palm Desktop there is tronnes of pim softwar about and palm, otheriwse i wont be able to use my palm. > SimCity simcity 3000 should work through linux compat > GeoClock time-zones > Ear Test loads of midi apps, and this could be easily witten,its a very simple ms app anyway > BlitzIn knights > Audio MP3 Editor take a look at http://linux-sound.org/ > Forte Agent pan > Movie Maker kino, drupal > Nikon Scan gimp > Rainbow gimp > Wacom Intuos >its pretty much pnp > However, I should point out that I also have applications that will not > run on Windows: > > BIND > sendmail > syslog > sshd > ProFTP > SFTP Every heard of cygwin? > The list is not long for FreeBSD, but every one of these applications is > a critical application, and most must run without fail 24 hours a day, > seven days a week. Any one of them is enough to justify running a > dedicated FreeBSD server. There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job, so i dont see the problem, Oh by the way I am a linux system developer, so i do know what im on about unlike Mr i cant be bothered to update my workstations. > For this reason, I have several machines: a FreeBSD server, a Windows XP > desktop, and a Windows NT server used as a desktop (to support some > legacy applications). I have several machines too, running IRIX, BSD and Linux, I havnt had to for ages as everything i need to do i can do on a *nix box. -- Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB http://simon.geek-web.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:39:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D6C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D316D43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.59] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2a-0002jl-IT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:56 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2Y-0008F3-37 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:55 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:36:14 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:58 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > >>There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens >>frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. > > > Neither of these is based on NT, and both are dead products. How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? My girlfriend has got WinXP professional (is it sopoessed to be NT base, is not it?) and from time to time she calls to me horrified to say that she has a new problem with her machine: viruses, spyware, malware, things that suddenly stop working, etc. I start trembling each time it happens. :-/ > > >>Now I am out of the winbugs world since 2 years and I am very happy. > > > Perhaps longer than that, if you think Windows 95 is still current. I started playing with Linux on 1998, but I switched 2 years ago. > > >>Sure X is the culprit. > > > I agree. FreeBSD is stable without the GUI. If the GUI were purely a > userland program, there'd be no problem--but GUIs are never pure > userland programs. We have to live with that. > > >>I need the GUIs for my daily work. Electronic circuit design software >>requires GUI, imaging editing requieres GUI, and because of that many >>people needs a GUI, but that is not a reason to use Winbugs. > > > You have to use whatever platform supports your chosen application. Linux and FreeBSD do it perfectly, as it have the same software collection. > > >>I have seen also winXP computers here at University that do very weird >>things everyday. > > > Users at universities do very weird things to their computers. In > particular, university computers tend to be cesspools of viruses and > worms. It's a wonder they run at all. If the Winbugs were well designed that should not happen. > > >>Why not choosing Linux or FreeBSD for the desktop? > > > Because the leading desktop is Windows, with a quarter-million or so > applications written for it. Why do things the hard way when one can do > them the easy way? For me Linux/FreeBSD works, why should I use Windows?. I would be a nonsense at all. I know windows well and I whould never go back. > > >>I can choose a windowmanager among decens, I have many apps that >>perform the same or better than the winbugs counterparts, and the best >>of all, they are *free* and do not depend on any comercial enterprise. > > > Quite a few applications for Windows are free or very inexpensive as > well. Windows is not free, I have to pay money and I do not have the source code. Why should I pay for software that it is a like a "black box", when I can use great free OSes? I can not afford paying a license for every piece of software I use. > > >>I do not need too much bells and whistles to fell confortable at the >>desktop. A fluxbox window manager is perfect for me. The important >>thing are the apps, not the desktop. > > > Then why use a GUI at all? GUIs are nothing more than bells and > whistles. > How can I use the GIMP, xcircuit, pcb without a GUI ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B6B16A4D1 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C92643D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.60] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2c-0002kd-Vx; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:58 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2b-0006bB-RY; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:58 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3E69.7040303@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:47:53 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > >>Hello Anthony >> >>Thanks for your reply. >> >>Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> >>>Ramiro Aceves writes: >>> >>> > > > >>I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and >>e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. >>Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. >>Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". > > > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham yeah, debian is great for hamradio, that the reason why I use it! ;-) > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 > Yes, the most disapointing thing is that there is not AX.25 stuff. For me there is no problem as I do not use packet radio now. I have found some useful satellite programs, logging programs, circuit analisis programs, circuit design, board design, etc.. The most important problem that prevents me to switch to FreeBSD is that SVGALIB do not work on my nvidia TNT 2 video card. It segfaults, I have submitted a bug report but no response at the moment. I need it for Linrad to work, Linrad is an audio processing software very useful for amateur moonbounce communication. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F5616A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp01.eresmas.com (asmtp05.eresmas.com [62.81.235.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F0D43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.56] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2h-0008Ri-9O; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:03 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2g-0001q5-G4; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3F9B.2010201@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:52:59 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >>I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. >>I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They >>some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say >>things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. >>Be in peace my friends. > > > Actually, in my experience, I've heard more Linux people dissing on BSD > and other Unices and more BSD people accepting and even using both Linux > and BSD together. At lot of Linux people seem to get a big head about > their OS and kernel. (A lot != high percentage) I noticed this back > when all I was was a linux guy, but I was not one to dis on other > unices. > > Also, I do like both a lot and see advantages in both. I agree, thanks for the info. > > >>Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and >>playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and >>perhaps, one day, I will change. Also I try to help the FreeBSD proyect >>submitting some bug reports as I found them. I am not an expert but I >>enjoy helping others. >> >> >>PS: I am a christian and I DO NOT see any reasons to hate the beastie. I >>love the beastie, I find it nice, pleasant and kind. I like it very >>much. Do not change it please! ;-) > > > P.S. I am also a born-again christian and have never thought anything > bad of beastie, it's not a demon after all. I don't think it should be > changed. I find it very kind. I like the beastie! > > >>Sorry for my bad english. >>Enjoy the Free OSes. >> >>Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883E16A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD39E43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2j-0002nN-Pn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2j-0005cz-2n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0100 Message-ID: <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:04:36 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: