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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 00:30:04 +0200 References: <21BE83BC-0667-44F7-83E4-1664A2BC6017@icloud.com> <74C08272-D40E-42D2-A623-CEE12C661329@googlemail.com> <8d54c77b-b5bf-cdc9-7ed5-2bfb6504b388@spth.de> To: Philipp Klaus Krause , dan.kotowski@a9development.com, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <8d54c77b-b5bf-cdc9-7ed5-2bfb6504b388@spth.de> Message-Id: <0434D7DE-14A6-4B78-97C4-508C348DB891@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F93zj2BT8z3hxn X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.114.152.218:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 22:30:10 -0000 > Am 30.03.2021 um 20:43 schrieb Philipp Klaus Krause : >=20 > Am 30.03.21 um 16:39 schrieb Dan Kotowski: >>=20 >> SolidRun's Honeycomb (HC), built around NXP's LX2K SoC, is pretty = phenomenal. Firmware still has a few changes in the works, but it's = mostly cosmetic stuff at this point and I've been happily daily-driving = mine for about a month - yes, it sufficiently replaced my aging desktop = built around a Core i7-3770K! In fact, there's a handful of us using HCs = as FreeBSD-13.0 desktops now. >>=20 >> However: >> * no built-in GPU, so if you want a desktop you'll need to get one of = those and that'll eat up your x8 slot >> * no onboard NIC drivers because they're connected via DPAA2 which we = don't have any support for and I just don't have the time or expertise = to write those myself : >>=20 >=20 > Would running Debian GNU/Linux as host OS with FreeBSD guest in = qemu/kvm > be a workaorund for the missing network support? >=20 > Philipp to replace RJ45 Gbe you can simply plug an $10 uSB->Gbe-Dongle , `guess SFP+ would need more special driver-attention ... from quick reading around the web I guess the DPAA2 also needs a closed = source binary blob. they support both edkII & u-boot : https://github.com/SolidRun/lx2160a_build As a potential buyer I simply would send an email to SolidRun with = those questions, they want to sell, so why they shouldn=E2=80=99t provide support? You could report the answer here and then it were possible to estimate = if that=E2=80=99s(sfp+) portable to fbsd. There=E2=80=99s also a 24-core A53 -board from 96boards: https://www.96boards.org/product/developerbox/ Same as with the lx2k: I don=E2=80=99t own, so no clue what works or = not=E2=80=A6 > Am 30.03.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Dan Kotowski = : >=20 > * no built-in GPU, so if you want a desktop you'll need to get one of = those and that'll eat up your x8 slot in such or other cases I would use Xvnc ( = https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3DXvnc&sektion=3D1&apropos=3D0&m= anpath=3DFreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE+and+Ports = ) for basic desktop-usage( 10 open shells the same time or so ) =E2=80=A6. It=E2=80=99s real fun to have e.g. a wireless remote-desktop on the iPad = sent from a headless system and switching from xterm to xterm with an = Apple Pencil :-) K.=