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Date:      Fri, 18 May 2018 14:24:02 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Andreas Nilsson <andrnils@gmail.com>,  FreeBSD X11 mailing list <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org>, Current FreeBSD <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver
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On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org>
wrote:

> On Fri, 18 May 2018, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Steve Kargl <
>> sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Check the Makefiles
>>>
>>> % more /usr/ports/graphics/drm-next-kmod/Makefile
>>>
>>> ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= amd64
>>> ONLY_FOR_ARCHS_REASON=  the new KMS components are only supported on
>>> amd64
>>>
>>> Not to ia32 friendly.
>>>
>>>
>> So do people use i386 for desktop? And need the latest KMS stuff?
>>
>
> I can easily imagine an embedded x86 kiosk type appliance.  Does
> basic xorg stuff work without drm?


They'd be running current on such boxes? I'm asking if we have any known
users.

The crux of the problem is that it's hard to get any graphics support from
Intel. What little support we get from them is amd64 only. And what little
resources we have do support graphics is 64-bit only. There's nobody doing
the work for i386, and we're not able to snag it from upstream either. So
it boils down to the question of allowing old, obsolete hardware, which
nobody's sure works anyway, to get in the way of moving forward to more
modern hardware? I'm trying to find value from supporting i386, and a
community willing to do that work and I'm not seeing much of either.

Warner



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