From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 5 10:25:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5492E0ED1 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 10:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10004b23344.21cc0c5554af96cb68580ba45e374cd0@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49GbT6629Tz3FNh for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 10:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10004b23344.21cc0c5554af96cb68580ba45e374cd0@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1588674315; x=1591266315; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=kAqFAxs+Jl9z/Z1vEI4ItAxWVUbJgo885NC6bTpBTKw=; b=iqehyqlNsGpxh+eKiY5Y5C0mia0Dfr3X0l3hscPwr+WGkpzYqYmRfbGOsWygpL8hdwQBQZyBXBPZwIlJCdenOMPPR7UbrFR/X4H7tqOIZJtILBeAvJ6qhMr3/v4Xq8tqkOkU1oQvHbTwV8uWdqmYKTClzOEe+cvEPz/wn2n7Zc0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDRiMjMzNDQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 5 May 2020 06:25:03 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 5 May 2020 06:25:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jVul4-000DXF-3f; Tue, 05 May 2020 11:25:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:25:01 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Brother HL-L2340D printer and lpd? Message-Id: <20200505112501.cd4d6226a1edd5b4290e2b11@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200505054729.00000035@seibercom.net> References: <20200503171259.GA48627@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200503192444.2d700440.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200503185521.GB52059@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200504085053.9bcf8d9d.freebsd@edvax.de> <9992c5ca-fdac-7a62-b0e4-d33afaeb042d@panix.com> <20200505095657.b436931b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200505054729.00000035@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49GbT6629Tz3FNh X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 10:25:15 -0000 On Tue, 5 May 2020 05:47:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: > In any case, this will only assist you with printing. All of the other > functions that are readily available on a Windows machine are usually > cloaked away from FreeBSD operators. Brother does supply some utilities > for Linux and Debian, but not FreeBSD. Right here you describe the crux of the problem - Windows does not support a million printers and scanners perfectly, manufacturers go to great lengths to support Windows, some lengths to support IOS and Android, lesser lengths to support Linux desktops and generally no effort whatsoever to support anything else. This is of course a perfectly valid commercial standpoint. The sad truth is that if you use something that the printer manufacturers are not willing to go to great lengths to support then you are best looking to more expensive equipment that supports documented standards and using it, or doing what I do to support a Brother inkjet and run a CUPS server under Linux (well actually a jail with a Linux userland) and CUPS clients on the FreeBSD boxes. Yes it is a pain - but suggesting that the FOSS community has put insufficient effort into achieving the impossible is not reasonable. If the market is too small to be worthwhile for the manufacturers to support and they are unwilling to release detailed documentation then nobody can do anything about it. The seamless environment for printing, scanning, faxing and email integration can be achieved but it is not effortless. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith