Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:53:52 -0400 From: Michael Scheidell <scheidell@FreeBSD.org> To: <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? Message-ID: <4FCCA1D0.6010105@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4FCC9DD1.7050302@ateamsystems.com> References: <C480320C-0CD9-4B61-8AFB-37085C820AB7@FreeBSD.org> <1933413.9F9m1gfubp@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCC42BE.20101@ateamsystems.com> <2454124.AkQPmLjFUd@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCC9DD1.7050302@ateamsystems.com>
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On 6/4/12 7:36 AM, Adam Strohl wrote: > Doesn't tinderbox do this every night? And, as a committer, here is the point. We get reports of 'this doesn't build'. (no fixed attached, no logs, no indication of what was installed first, what options taken), we try to get information on what happended and just get 'I am just trying to tel lyou its broken, and I don't have time to tell you why, its your os, you fix it') want a link to a recient pr where that happened? So, we run it up in a tinderbox (for the newbie who wants this to work like windoes or linx , I will explain: A tinderbox is a special virtual chrooted (jail) envirnoment. The tinderbox creates a blank tree, with a free copy of FreeBSD (x), copies a free ports tree to it, and creates packages. (pkg_create). /generically/ it builds these with default options (since this is a batch process, that is all we can do). If the system can fetch the source, apply the patches, compile the program, package it, pulls in all the necessary LIB and BUILD depends and then deletes the packages without leaving any leftovers, we consider the package fine /with default options/ This is why we ask that the luser tell us what strange things they have in make.conf, recommend that they update their ports tree (since we are running with a free ports tree), and tell us what non standard options were selected. If we can't reproduce it, we can't fix it. Many times we find that the user did not update the ports according to the instructions in /usr/ports/UPDATING, which, for all language ports (python, perl, php), involve more then just 'portmaster php-') Once a ports tree is broken by (even a seemingly successful update), sometime down the road, something can and will rise up to byte[sic] you. Give us the billions and billions of $$ MS has and the minions they have and maybe we can spend a year between os releases (oh, and sorry, but MS has no ports tree, and if a third party product doesn't work, don't even call them, they will charge you $300 to tell you to go back to the manufacturer) -- Michael Scheidell, CTO >*| * SECNAP Network Security Corporation d: +1.561.948.2259 w: http://people.freebsd.org/~scheidell
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