From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 04:25:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CB8BD8548 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm1-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6F79277 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473826915; bh=6m9APaUZNzSlpvv+0S+xdge276XtM51UFev5x3AF59w=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Jk7yd4clq3SeHHll+FiBB3xPqYpQGjiFA62fZ7SYz/cz9DRiFuymJ9q45rRmKUjDLw7hcDMWwmsYsKpi/Yfj3ZLc8TAgHVI4QsJQZCRUylsCMhf4lpTXERloTTCE0f+mJGR8VcRNiODpe8Ppgz6OUJEdQBzy+VfkjHHzb4lRyniS0traw9k1VK1JszN1ucXx8K/iOfSWTpIOIuWQYrz63CRD7edHIMoYNA8UcyPQXCA0Hllhu1rzd6FARPpwR26D7+aUwJfHEFNv/eqMY8FwzQeBOFqq6TR+XsEpsA54F9uYB6FyxxJNZzz6yoZoywpOVRuNhPgM1cwZ+MD7xktgUQ== Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 04:21:55 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.100] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 04:21:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 04:21:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 303413.48359.bm@smtp137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xWqpRccVM1k_H2xBpQbKUjDe6m3kT4EgGzniIYYRVoKzIei 13kAKPFdjfzc2n_yP0xN.Ed84QPnARZLt5.Y9u38SMV4hnN5yzFQJK4gUl6i 2bPjNDIp_NULBk3VKXn9XFTaQB1mfM2LAPjG_TiEN9A8um6FBrLFU49na7t. lNADiIAynA7VTCKbWyuYFFG3AwcdJC1NnAY3Do14G6dHxciHpLpl9P9PUTeK KGulznV58ueItrLYAPV8CNnxFCLnGHWO.IQQU6NIFj9ltlSYsl.YgMb_7mtI XoftUiDiCiBEk0ZWTVxVdVB.hYHz9G8Ra6LQlKNuAopTiiRsSZxZYVIGPDLR VLHxKEo4rIFmArGNgGZG1ZWjdQVoCory1NE4mzGROmzdykK2tMUKJuVg_g53 ZmrD_MYKf10xfSi3haFLbWM2Zhp.QvgoXc5YzFOHYqoqqUkfJ0PAEKK9iOOo gAX1_YFqLsi4EBn.ZqZhjmUvRUJum7UVi2jbhA_sPQusUGD.gqQWb69NVfmc Rr3ELn8PRgbuACvGcT9XxSK5r.hc.BDM05N_RmYydjd34C_QZH1LsIKBADZY nvaBTxOp4sAvcj6851v4h6o29QvWNtOg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:21:54 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:25:04 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run >>their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". >>However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. > >That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a few >seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives again. >Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few years old. My >spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no evil software >touches it. I never had to use a tool, which anyway wouldn't have >worked, because it's an USB device. > >>> IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU >>> Regulation >> >>??? > >By an EU Regulation all external drives must go to sleep after a while. > >>> just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this >>> software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. >> >>Don't use the drives: no point in spinning up and down; besides, as I >>said, I had 4 of them and even if I disabled this brain damage, they >>all died within one year. > >I already explained why this happened. The spins for your drive might >not have happened within seconds after using this utility, but as for >my drive, when using bad software, what I usually don't do, every 30 >minutes or something around this. I bought my WD green drive 2013-02-27 >and never had an issue, IOW it's nearly 4 years old. As already pointed >out, I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software that touches the >drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the drives goes asleep. > >You spread FUD about WD drives. Sure, if a green drive is unwanted, nobody should buy a green drive. However, assuming somebody should have bought one by accident, then simply let a script access it, before it spins down. If the drives goes to sleep at around 30 minutes, "touch" the drive every 28 minutes. Assuming it should be ok, that the drive goes to sleep, remove gvfs, don't use KDE, smard etc., then the drive stays asleep.