From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 12 19:15:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DBCD091DE for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ptrcrt.ch (gahr.cloud.tilaa.com [IPv6:2a02:2770:8:0:21a:4aff:fe7e:c6be]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C8621297 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ptrcrt.ch (mail.ptrcrt.ch [192.168.1.1]) by mail.ptrcrt.ch (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 491ce088 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:15:44 +0000 From: Pietro Cerutti To: Anton Yuzhaninov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The challenging Ports design Message-ID: <20170312191544.vt7hkrn6d5sjso7x@ptrcrt.ch> Reply-To: Pietro Cerutti References: <20170311132317.GA17391@becker.bs.l> <1cacc067-33c8-d5ff-d8bd-4a640afb811c@citrin.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m5a52mdu4r22pftc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1cacc067-33c8-d5ff-d8bd-4a640afb811c@citrin.ru> X-PGP-Key: fp="DA6D E106 A5B8 54B8 5DD8 6D49 ADD0 D38E A192 089E"; id="0xA192089E"; get=; get=; get=; get= OpenPGP: id=A192089E; url=https://gahr.ch/pgp/0xADD0D38EA192089E.txt; url=https://keybase.io/gahr/key.asc User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170306-9-48eda1 (1.8.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:15:49 -0000 --m5a52mdu4r22pftc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017-Mar-11, 08:49, Anton Yuzhaninov wrote: > On 03/11/17 08:23, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > # cd /usr/ports/devel/fossil > > # make install > > [...] > > Error: Unknown option --without-tcl > > Try: 'configure --help' for options > > =3D=3D=3D> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. > > Please report the problem to [...] > >=20 > > The problem is that Fossil uses "autosetup", an "automake" > > replacement that has no "--without-XXX" options. >=20 > Port seems to be was broken by this commit: > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=3Drevision&revision=3D435831 >=20 > I've added port maintainer to CC. Fixed in r436015. Thanks! --=20 Pietro Cerutti The FreeBSD Project gahr@FreeBSD.org --m5a52mdu4r22pftc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQLCBAABCgCsFiEE2m3hBqW4VLhd2G1JrdDTjqGSCJ4FAljFnmAuFIAAAAAAFQAQ cGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JnZ2FockBGcmVlQlNELm9yZ18UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0REE2 REUxMDZBNUI4NTRCODVERDg2RDQ5QUREMEQzOEVBMTkyMDg5RQAKCRCt0NOOoZII nmuJD/9WKsKCxCdR8sYaiCr0Pa92++bS51DGWbCxMkNU2jvUW4Glgnh4RnlhK+SI BOHXwjpQygWjDXLTHm85pvsRoW86fzNFT/rey8q61nZlOSDsTn3bf089wYrLuY0z A2aWDIA2QMiV+uN/jpBVheC+0hG0nceCZI6e/GlsLm1JXMyguwPvO+Yos7391GIi IhsrhjT8U2bhQEuQBNE0Zr7CgNrC/cYQjPKwpYStE+upshSqdn+ozF+uwP+eHLnH u97lt9j2jeS+QnyANHiw7Kv6H+NLOv3YZ+BXnVsCFbrqgs1vq4ZX0mLPZPe3uiPe StSLWSsGfbnS2mdqfeZN0DJo+iL8vClX57UK1Sy8z2mhSZn/PMwTsnLJ+WwgubLf lN50licESY23xwcShZTiIAKYamMOHXCRnZloJxxYdlB1+hK75GnJirpBHCmQM4KL nCUgw0HEUTgX8VpLWXVoyD8ytTHPcEQ7mqDEnmHeZdJY79kK+SDkjmoz7DkZKyR1 DtygHqjrvKKm/9M0iDRcV1VPOPUwBlyuG03uzGo0TZpKw3ritMBgqqnleWxUQbie HQm6mmSuxALl+7iUIUlY1Nbt8RjRtkFPTUulq00DWbdTXZr+qC+FU6vmOuEPu2fw v6qeoQP5veTPp0Vwh5AeLU7Y0apArxi1mAaqtqHeJCKqNsS7fQ== =zjay -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m5a52mdu4r22pftc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 10:47:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D90AD09ECD for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from mail.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [216.226.128.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B901AAB for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (vitani.den.cyberleo.net [216.80.73.130]) by mail.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 227D04F744; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 06:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jail limited user cannot access host mountpoint although jail root can To: DaLynX , freebsd-questions References: From: CyberLeo Kitsana Message-ID: <90c205ea-fbaf-14de-4c83-81421838510b@cyberleo.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 05:37:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:47:13 -0000 On 03/10/2017 08:59 PM, DaLynX via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to make my setup work with jails and got stuck in the > following situation: > > - Host is mounting a fuse filesystem (because I couldn't make it work directly inside the jail - although the /dev/fuse device was accessible) in the jail's chroot. > - From root@host, everything looks fine. > - root@jail, too, can access the mounted filesystem, read files, no problem. > - limited@jail can see the mountpoints but cannot access them in any way (no cd, no ls...) although the file permissions look okay (it's all 755, and for some reason limited is the owner of all mountpoints). > > What could have gone wrong? I tried playing around with > vfs.usermount on the host or enforce_statfs on the jail but it > makes no difference. > > Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Fuse filesystems include an additional security measure by default whereby only the uid of the mounter is permitted to access the mountpoint; even root is forbidden from accessing non-root fuse mounts. 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Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AA6417C4 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (mh0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DFOwgc052531; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:24:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2001:a60:f0bb:1::3:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08B7175C; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:24:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58C6B9C9.9070805@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:24:57 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anton Yuzhaninov CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: procstat(1) [-f], proto=stream without addresses References: <58BDBAF7.5000907@omnilan.de> <611e5fe5-0a25-2058-96b2-51b1fe3ad7f9@citrin.ru> In-Reply-To: <611e5fe5-0a25-2058-96b2-51b1fe3ad7f9@citrin.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:24:58 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: ; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:25:05 -0000 Bezüglich Anton Yuzhaninov's Nachricht vom 07.03.2017 04:00 (localtime): > On 03/06/17 14:39, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: >> One thing I noticed is that procstst(1) doesn't show any addresses for >> my evil process. >> Excerpt: >> >> USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS >> squid negotiate_ 597 1 stream -> ?? >> squid negotiate_ 596 0 stream -> ?? >> squid negotiate_ 596 1 stream -> ?? > > 1. It looks like output from sockstat(1), not procstat(1) > > 2. stream is Unix domain stream socket > > String "??" probably mean, that this file descriptor is not connected > (was closed by remote side, but not by this process). Thank you for your answer! The excerpt was from 'procstat -f' which lists file descriptors. I wasn't aware of an "unconnected" FD state... Sounds reasonable. Thanks, -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 15:41:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB2D0A399 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AAB9159D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (ezra.dcm1.omnilan.net [78.138.80.135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DFfrDb052641 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:41:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2001:a60:f0bb:1::3:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32482761; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:41:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:41:52 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: ACL 119 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [78.138.80.130]); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:41:53 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: 78.138.80.135; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:41:55 -0000 Dear list, after more than two decades of daily FreeBSD usage, I'm still astonished that almost everybody else seems to use 'sudo'. I don't use it because I don't agree with the idea to authorize with the user password which I already used for current credentials. But, I'd like to profit from cached credentials, like I experienced on MacOS. I agree with 'su root -c', which prompts for the SuperUser password to get SuperUser priviledges and I once stumbled across a sudo-alternative which does the same, but I don't remember it's name and it seems there are a lot of more or less similar sudo-replacements. Unfortunately I haven't ever tried any of these and am always short in time. Is there any similar credential caching alternative like MacOS has? I'd highly appreciate suggestions, especially from people sharing my sudo-objections. Thanks, -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 15:48:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D08D0A526 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philneaton95@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22d.google.com (mail-yw0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A709117EA for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philneaton95@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id o4so61627125ywd.3 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:48:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=54W+MSq6qMjAB3BfVclJqjwtVU3z0/mGmGQVXopXY40=; b=L7YVQdXQHvhs/540HvuHgkQyiLAHvoBfs9ErXD+lFmJprXRS3gkzKOIfF0LHS5PGai n3GiVCSAsieMWWPJwLMszbcPx8i0G7pEhCFoccGRNH8WP1L10WlYqSaYMpVJQqucQ/jO hPLqOImXnSuO4oQCiRN6DzN1NZnpOSoXtNkr3NK4NXnAdp8oKJsjaCqhUDumWFaCuI+V kzlcTCTM1DS6qHZmsFIEb/jIRfJWM3yrUlFwPTQKo/lxFK/XERl/0G7ZIdnz1UvXiYLw Ybbgf5OmNxHhovJSPHUpUEpylfKE3Ypr5f52D7PmhJXjtfPPyR0ZyFAH8ZoeaSuesA13 WCmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=54W+MSq6qMjAB3BfVclJqjwtVU3z0/mGmGQVXopXY40=; b=Vl8GXB3kXBAKkNAIEKgDwqUjcNi3uIH6lixjXSXozSShNJNpS4PwAM/EH8PA05DKX4 /htPKDzJ2qB5Y6cNMwvHCFLMOig+QAk0L8WQzrzu90r8ipcPXef3EiMJK3MEB0jHIzM+ 4WmrC7fjd4A9woNbEYBcL9VImzve+sYeSSVU+N19bXZUJR5ytLCj7K93vKDF5EvgLIoG 99iqLnlBJ0vKaUcsydnxpfxyj3OlshfvpFKQJtHfLLeG7mO2mSCauV0wQIGClXcMhr0W a+cHPjyj1l8bayJfZFqeeUjxgWGCMawaRlQK+4gbTks2HeVe2W8LLLfYmTgtLtygDDle qung== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kM/EQfADZAnq5PX5HN6JqlAgjLCW/Djbkw3iFvFV6iinm6+Ao6u+QD3hajzP/PZiYnzXxk43epfPxvAg== X-Received: by 10.13.211.70 with SMTP id v67mr18303496ywd.260.1489420106725; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.160.13 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> From: Phil Eaton Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists To: Harry Schmalzbauer Cc: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:48:28 -0000 How do you feel about the security/doas port from OpenBSD? On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > Dear list, > > after more than two decades of daily FreeBSD usage, I'm still astonished > that almost everybody else seems to use 'sudo'. > I don't use it because I don't agree with the idea to authorize with the > user password which I already used for current credentials. > > But, I'd like to profit from cached credentials, like I experienced on > MacOS. > > I agree with 'su root -c', which prompts for the SuperUser password to > get SuperUser priviledges and I once stumbled across a sudo-alternative > which does the same, but I don't remember it's name and it seems there > are a lot of more or less similar sudo-replacements. Unfortunately I > haven't ever tried any of these and am always short in time. Is there > any similar credential caching alternative like MacOS has? > > I'd highly appreciate suggestions, especially from people sharing my > sudo-objections. > > Thanks, > > -harry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Phil Eaton From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 15:59:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5694CD0A783 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markoml@markoturk.info) Received: from vps.markoturk.info (vps.markoturk.info [95.154.208.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9241C7D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markoml@markoturk.info) Received: from vps.markoturk.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vps.markoturk.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F652B8FB; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:49:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:49:02 +0100 From: Marko Turk To: Harry Schmalzbauer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists Message-ID: <20170313154902.GB13142@vps.markoturk.info> References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.0 (2016-08-17) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:59:14 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 04:41:52PM +0100, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > after more than two decades of daily FreeBSD usage, I'm still astonished > that almost everybody else seems to use 'sudo'. > I don't use it because I don't agree with the idea to authorize with the > user password which I already used for current credentials. Hi, what about rootpw option in sudo? rootpw If set, sudo will prompt for the root password instead of the password of the invoking user when running a command or editing a file. This flag is off by default. -Marko --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYxr9tAAoJEHg6bF2mqM2IKH0P/1LHPm1NpMIgyZKb2P7D1V9+ vprWEfdTfFdBnmZv9sohfyUyx4BFGZWIcTJAKbKuzCtzYJbB2AbOXYhU+7eek4Kv P8JtAojFvLlIoPb9qGy+WP2dgzzxre3Ux6rGbzCBR55bTweTvRVhczCsAyy65QLM 1TtLW3oYrh/gU6icYq+4dWo6PnxuFSujp14bfinx5vJLwjjVuZl9hCYvI1UE6mM6 1/FsCVFBJiC9POlRmLtgpz3OKThDLSw1Qlr10Hu9GvAx7RTeWAMT9v5GtmkvZXUl pVFma8EffEVIErj4C1+xPB3TYjQnOJDvkK9VYt0gJ6MO9EpYfrqOxAR5czfDVfRL 8krGouOpwIOMFmgh6tNwUM7ZMEG4qZIApVeMYB262Jud5P/Np1s/+c+GSkmBiv5u ecrMyKUygr0mxYG1Wro3sDP7Gv5TuXGV+kNyf+X7KR+QJBQc5QUTMCgeYgodrCGE 7B+XnUsrro0db5ClGKJVD6VIBu0V37m0SNRNuhZMSHvSqkyXQka528FqPSBBaOPV 8O0QMM+gAqdLRv0t3I8gKRiSleSj/zqNGVc3z3pwPw47j7ilXUmOHuUeuM/sl0iZ ZDVT7BPWixSrMzUyEda+i/cMXOa/6gXUNa5YMG8IUp9xySz0bEge3X+HChhqoW+2 kij/coE0S0f9sIqwvTey =PHXN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 17:19:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3CED0A1A0 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEDC7133D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (ezra.dcm1.omnilan.net [78.138.80.135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DHJ38c053520; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:19:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2001:a60:f0bb:1::3:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4362F77F; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:19:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58C6D486.1030107@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:19:02 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marko Turk CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <20170313154902.GB13142@vps.markoturk.info> In-Reply-To: <20170313154902.GB13142@vps.markoturk.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: ACL 119 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [78.138.80.130]); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:19:04 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: 78.138.80.135; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:19:06 -0000 Bezüglich Marko Turk's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 16:49 (localtime): > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 04:41:52PM +0100, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: >> after more than two decades of daily FreeBSD usage, I'm still astonished >> that almost everybody else seems to use 'sudo'. >> I don't use it because I don't agree with the idea to authorize with the >> user password which I already used for current credentials. > > Hi, > > what about rootpw option in sudo? > > rootpw If set, sudo will prompt for the root password instead > of the password of the invoking user when running a > command or editing a file. This flag is off by > default. > Thanks, seems I should have a brief (at least) look into 'sudo' before demonizing it for another 20 years ;-) But I'm interestend in all kind of experiences anyway! -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 17:21:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C29D0A2B1 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE8F91519 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (mh0.gentlemail.de [78.138.80.135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DHLGDC053536; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:21:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2001:a60:f0bb:1::3:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC884781; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:21:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:21:15 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Eaton CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: ACL 119 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [78.138.80.130]); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:21:16 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: 78.138.80.135; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:21:18 -0000 Bezüglich Phil Eaton's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 16:48 (localtime): > How do you feel about the security/doas port from OpenBSD? Thanks, most likely worth a look. But it has no credentials caching, does it? That's my most wanted feature, otherwise I'm still fine with su (no classic user privileging needed, only for admin tasks) -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 17:34:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25CFD0A825 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7EA510A5 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38FA110237; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:34:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 835D8110236; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:34:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:34:27 -0500 From: Doug McIntyre To: Harry Schmalzbauer Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists Message-ID: <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:34:36 -0000 On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 06:21:15PM +0100, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > Bezüglich Phil Eaton's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 16:48 (localtime): > > How do you feel about the security/doas port from OpenBSD? > > Thanks, most likely worth a look. But it has no credentials caching, > does it? > That's my most wanted feature, otherwise I'm still fine with su (no > classic user privileging needed, only for admin tasks) I think you are collapsing two features into one with this requirement, and I'm not sure what you are expecting. One way to do what I think you are looking for is you can use SSH public-key auth to PAM authenticate in as root priviledges into a server. eg. see this discussion thread. https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/35645/ Another way keychain/SSH is used, is as an ssh-agent (probably likely of what you are looking for) I was trying to find a decent web page (ie. more than a mention of how to run ssh-agent), but ran across a wrapper that did a bit more with it for you. http://www.funtoo.org/index.php?title=Keychain with links to a better description of ssh-agent and using it, even if they are a bit dated (ie. ignore the part about DSA keys altogether). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 17:45:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A47D0A1AA for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solene@perso.pw) Received: from perso.pw (perso.pw [163.172.223.238]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "tesseract.perso.pw", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2B9F1D83 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solene@perso.pw) Received: from perso.pw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by perso.pw (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 60791621 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:39:05 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=perso.pw; h=mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:message-id; s=1337; bh=M7jIddeYndFvsL7xK FLoW2MTaro=; b=J4IQnyIKCqFZ/Imp+7vYWC6274f64OCd3uRKiUFfTRQFjhPCS tgXTc8ePY7nlyT1RNy4yE3HVYlzLqRMW43VnOpo+X3TbcXcs2tYwOwI7NHY51ziT TypTu5rwZLLrGNm54C397cc1JR9GAl1LqBVMmUz+2THc4OA19Y7ClT5BfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=perso.pw; h=mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:message-id; q=dns; s=1337; b=Z5/ym+FnkOb 15gWZPBkmsu6lJI3giSwFZJ2Zj2n5vGBq7UvO+ySwdg0NDWhwJNgv5WGTEuxzfdH XjHl5zBkkMTpgejnms9zRidDr5L/TRsHktt9eIHIFFzvCJiZW4uYLDZqMSi+zacy a2dXnyVqD+TUAFWGEVuqYP0CoQbMPTZg= Received: from tesseract.perso.pw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by perso.pw (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5adaedc2 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:39:05 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:39:05 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Sol=C3=A8ne_Rapenne?= To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists In-Reply-To: <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> Message-ID: <6a2eb36b9d6c0d80383287e3fa20ebc7@perso.pw> X-Sender: solene@perso.pw User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:45:49 -0000 Le 2017-03-13 18:34, Doug McIntyre a écrit : > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 06:21:15PM +0100, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: >> Bezüglich Phil Eaton's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 16:48 (localtime): >> > How do you feel about the security/doas port from OpenBSD? >> >> Thanks, most likely worth a look. But it has no credentials caching, >> does it? >> That's my most wanted feature, otherwise I'm still fine with su (no >> classic user privileging needed, only for admin tasks) > > I think you are collapsing two features into one with this requirement, > and I'm not sure what you are expecting. > > One way to do what I think you are looking for is you can use SSH > public-key auth to PAM authenticate in as root priviledges into a > server. > > eg. see this discussion thread. > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/35645/ > > > Another way keychain/SSH is used, is as an ssh-agent (probably likely > of what you are looking for) > > I was trying to find a decent web page (ie. more than a mention > of how to run ssh-agent), but ran across a wrapper that did a bit > more with it for you. > > http://www.funtoo.org/index.php?title=Keychain > > with links to a better description of ssh-agent and using it, even if > they are a bit dated (ie. ignore the part about DSA keys altogether). > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I was about to answer the same thing. Set PermitRootLogin to allow authentication with keys, and use ssh-agent as your regular user to cache the private key password. And then, create an alias with alias sudo="ssh root@localhost" and you are done. So : as user : - ssh-keygen # create your private key with password as root : - modifiy /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set "PermitRootLogin prohibit-password" - /etc/rc.d/sshd restart - mkdir -p /root/.ssh/ - cat /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 17:55:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7DFD0A75D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Received: from barracuda.ssimicro.com (barracuda.ssimicro.com [96.46.39.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AA271AF2 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1489426637-08e71722261775bd0001-jLrpzn Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by barracuda.ssimicro.com with ESMTP id gTAVDDlugQgSDEcH (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:37:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: markham@ssimicro.com X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: mail.ssimicro.com[64.247.129.10] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.247.129.10 Received: from yk-office-dhcp-64-247-130-144.ssimicro.com (yk-office-dhcp-64-247-130-144.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2DHbHkM021730 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists To: Harry Schmalzbauer , Phil Eaton X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! From: markham breitbach Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:37:22 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Barracuda-Connect: mail.ssimicro.com[64.247.129.10] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1489426638 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://barracuda.ssimicro.com:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 933 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at ssimicro.com X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using per-user scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.37192 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:55:20 -0000 You can set a credential cache timer for sudo, so it will only ask for a password every-so-often, or you can permit members of a particular group access to sudo without and password required (particularly useful for limited tasks of daemons/cron-jobs). -Markham On 2017-03-13 11:21 AM, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > Bezüglich Phil Eaton's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 16:48 (localtime): >> How do you feel about the security/doas port from OpenBSD? > Thanks, most likely worth a look. But it has no credentials caching, > does it? > That's my most wanted feature, otherwise I'm still fine with su (no > classic user privileging needed, only for admin tasks) > > -harry > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 18:33:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E078D0A600 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d@l.ynx.fr) Received: from mailer.daserv.fr (daserv.fr [91.121.223.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE7D71868 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d@l.ynx.fr) Received: from mailpile.local (mailpile.ynx.fr [192.168.1.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer.daserv.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1DF4578; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:22:50 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ynx.fr; s=YNX_KEY; t=1489425770; bh=TxwpdTR4wXrcCZ0dkk4OCAbr5xeH77oCJefXc2NeXg8=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=UJ8aZaVQbvi//lg3rT8DHQUAqk0HNwMXNp3Um8R849d26l27G6ztPTdSE8K2wWKbv sHzGGjpgVgEPHCSVYpqu7fEmk764lai/Sdt4VglnzuChKRpiGhsgq2pz6vvblgJq1H Li/T/C0Kp4dpJa3d69iGxdeKm2L6/2s200e+1Q1Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jail limited user cannot access host mountpoint although jail root can From: DaLynX To: "CyberLeo Kitsana" Cc: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <90c205ea-fbaf-14de-4c83-81421838510b@cyberleo.net> References: <90c205ea-fbaf-14de-4c83-81421838510b@cyberleo.net> User-Agent: Mailpile Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:31:43 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:33:09 -0000 CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > > Fuse filesystems include an additional security measure by > default whereby only the uid of the mounter is permitted to > access the mountpoint; even root is forbidden from accessing > non-root fuse mounts. > > Read up on the allow_other fuse mount option for further > details. > Yes, that was it! Thank you very much for your help! I still cannot mount fuse from inside the jail, and I understand it is because it is not jail-friendly (as listed by lsvfs), but I can mount them from the host and access them correctly inside. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 19:41:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5C3D0A1D8 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B62CA14ED for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (ezra.dcm1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DJapQr054781; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:36:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2001:a60:f0bb:1::3:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 496F37C2; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:36:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58C6F4D2.1050203@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:36:50 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug McIntyre CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> In-Reply-To: <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:36:51 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: ; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:41:57 -0000 Bezüglich Doug McIntyre's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 18:34 (localtime): > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 06:21:15PM +0100, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: >> Bezüglich Phil Eaton's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 16:48 (localtime): >>> How do you feel about the security/doas port from OpenBSD? >> >> Thanks, most likely worth a look. But it has no credentials caching, >> does it? >> That's my most wanted feature, otherwise I'm still fine with su (no >> classic user privileging needed, only for admin tasks) > > I think you are collapsing two features into one with this requirement, > and I'm not sure what you are expecting. > > One way to do what I think you are looking for is you can use SSH > public-key auth to PAM authenticate in as root priviledges into a server. > > eg. see this discussion thread. > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/35645/ > > > Another way keychain/SSH is used, is as an ssh-agent (probably likely > of what you are looking for) > > I was trying to find a decent web page (ie. more than a mention > of how to run ssh-agent), but ran across a wrapper that did a bit > more with it for you. > > http://www.funtoo.org/index.php?title=Keychain > > with links to a better description of ssh-agent and using it, even if > they are a bit dated (ie. ignore the part about DSA keys altogether). Thanks, but I'm really only looking for some kind of "'su -c'-credential caching". I'm using gpg-agent eversince which handles my ssh-keys perfectly. But of course I'm not logging in as SuperUser, just regular user with wheel-membership. So I'm logged in by pub-key-auth with passphrase from gpg-agent as regular user – convinient so far. But now I have to re-type the SuperUser password any time I utilize 'su -c', which is often :-( On MacOS, I just have to do SuperUser privilege authorization once, then sudo doesn't ask on subsequent call. That's what I'm looking for :-) Thanks, -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 13 19:46:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A442FD0A324 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3617717A9 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (ezra.dcm1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DJk3GJ054849; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2001:a60:f0bb:1::3:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A13DD7C5; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58C6F6FB.5090902@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:03 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: markham breitbach CC: Phil Eaton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:04 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: ; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:46:06 -0000 Bezüglich markham breitbach's Nachricht vom 13.03.2017 18:37 (localtime): > You can set a credential cache timer for sudo, so it will only ask for a > password every-so-often, That's another reason to un-blacklist "sudo" ;-) > or you can permit members of a particular group > access to sudo without and password required (particularly useful for > limited tasks of daemons/cron-jobs). Nah, that's more a reason to re-add to blacklist ;-) Most important reason why I never considered using sudo is, it's not in base. I'm wondering, if it's such a versatile helper, and there are no frequent security issues – by implementation nor by design – wouldn't it have landed in base long time ago? Still interested if anybody recommeends "doas" or any of the other alternatives listed there for any good reason: https://www.sudo.ws/other.html thanks, -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 03:01:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D485D0B315 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from 005.las.mailroute.net (005.las.mailroute.net [199.89.4.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7712D11C6 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 005.las.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3vhzvv699CzPk1q; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 02:58:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from 005.las.mailroute.net ([199.89.4.8]) by localhost (005.las.mailroute.net. 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Schwartz) To: Harry Schmalzbauer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.4.5.3; tzolkin = 13 Akbal; haab = 6 Cumku Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:58:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> (Harry Schmalzbauer's message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:41:52 +0100") Message-ID: <86d1dkef85.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:01:46 -0000 >>>>> "Harry" == Harry Schmalzbauer writes: Harry> I don't use it because I don't agree with the idea to authorize with the Harry> user password which I already used for current credentials. That's just to ensure that someone doesn't get to be root simply because you left your account logged on while you walked away for a few minutes. If you had to enter the *root* password, you now have a *shared* credential, much harder to write policies for and account usage of. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 08:13:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB97D0B35F for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA02818D8 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49F23E3F1 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/49F23E3F1; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> <58C6F4D2.1050203@omnilan.de> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:12:50 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58C6F4D2.1050203@omnilan.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jkMOdaFIHQNW0cSJFuTEl2FO6ilD3nNIs" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:13:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jkMOdaFIHQNW0cSJFuTEl2FO6ilD3nNIs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="F4VcTC1OsaHpvoPnIraMlANfc4AQ0MsGR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: sudo alternatives; for the minimalists References: <58C6BDC0.7070307@omnilan.de> <58C6D50B.8030803@omnilan.de> <20170313173427.GA83078@geeks.org> <58C6F4D2.1050203@omnilan.de> In-Reply-To: <58C6F4D2.1050203@omnilan.de> --F4VcTC1OsaHpvoPnIraMlANfc4AQ0MsGR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13/03/2017 19:36, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > So I'm logged in by pub-key-auth with passphrase from gpg-agent as > regular user =96 convinient so far. >=20 > But now I have to re-type the SuperUser password any time I utilize 'su= > -c', which is often :-( > On MacOS, I just have to do SuperUser privilege authorization once, the= n > sudo doesn't ask on subsequent call. > That's what I'm looking for :-) pam_ssh_agent_auth will let you use your SSH key held in your agent to authenticate with sudo -- you will need to install it, and then configure /usr/local/etc/pam.d/sudo to use it. 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I'm installing version 10.3 on a VMWare virtual machine with the FreeBSD-10= .3-STABLE-amd64-20170210-r313558-bootonly.iso image file, but I'm getting a= checksum error after the package downloads: Distribution checksum failed An installation step has been aborted. Would you like to restart the instal= lation or exit the installer? This is even more frustrating because choosing "Restart" brings you to to t= he beginning of the installation, where you have to select the keymap again= , redefining the partitioning options, and furthermore, for some reason I c= annot identify, the system is unable to get a new DHCP lease (and not getti= ng one again results in the system not having a DNS server, even if it was = configured by the previous DHCP configuration, for some reason). I tried the following HTTP mirrors: * http://ftp4.se.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ * http://ftp2.ru.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ (Note that FTP outright fails, but that's probably my university blocking p= ort 21). I'm now installing using a disk image containing the components I need, but= this probably has to be addressed! I'll be happy to provide any additional information. Best regards, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 12:41:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F052D0AA8A for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DA1E1FF5 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from tesla.advico (p508E8AF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.142.138.240]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 595C71E06D3 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:33:24 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? Message-ID: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:33:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:41:50 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello there everybody! Today I thought I'd give the Lumina desktop a spin on my laptop. That's not the best place for any self-compiling orgies, so I decided to install it as a binary (package)... root@mobilix:~ # pkg search lumina lumina-1.1.0.p1,2 Lumina Desktop Environment lumina-i18n-1.0.0 Lumina desktop environment localization files This surprised me because the current v1.2 has been out since the beginning of January. So I decided to look in the ports and sure enough, v1.2 has been there for six weeks now: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/x11/lumina/ Is this a thing with the mirror that the pkg tool is choosing or are the packages actually not updated that often? I actually thought this was an automated process that ran every night - or at least on a regular basis with shorter intervals than 6 weeks. Or am I missing something here? Cheers! Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAljH4xRfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7KF9wD9Eux4fENKBEyOn4DuUWPaW8c8 1JpRdQfCCsVdYAEkH1oA/jDLfN75wWdMj9f92b87WILf3rAP4QJE9nMdXFnXFabs =qZMx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 12:52:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287A9D0AEC1 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA26B9E4 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 784CAE4E8 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/784CAE4E8; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:52:35 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SfJXrPadBLHUBlv3L270Vm2ifgOkGA1lB" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:52:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --SfJXrPadBLHUBlv3L270Vm2ifgOkGA1lB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="32IpN47MviuAnmsw4idSM4lkh34f0LERI"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? References: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> In-Reply-To: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> --32IpN47MviuAnmsw4idSM4lkh34f0LERI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/14 12:33, Christian Baer wrote: > Is this a thing with the mirror that the pkg tool is choosing or are > the packages actually not updated that often? I actually thought this > was an automated process that ran every night - or at least on a > regular basis with shorter intervals than 6 weeks. By default you will be using the quarterly package set. By design, that doesn't receive updates unless they are fixes for security problems, or fixes to make the package build correctly. You won't see lumina-1.2.x in that package set until the end of this quarter -- which is only about two weeks away now, but still a long time to wait. You will need to switch to the 'latest' package set if you must have lumina-1.2 straight away. You can do that by creating a file: /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf with this contents: FreeBSD: { url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest" } Then type 'pkg -vvv' to make the new location has been registered. It takes about 1--2 days for changes to the ports to make it into the latest package set, and there will be many more of them than in the quarterly branches. You will also get an update to pkg(8) itself which means reverting to the quarterly packages won't be possible[*] until the end of this quarter. Cheers, Matthew [*] Well, it is /technically/ possible, but it isn't easy and involves some 'reinstall all the packages' type operations. --32IpN47MviuAnmsw4idSM4lkh34f0LERI-- --SfJXrPadBLHUBlv3L270Vm2ifgOkGA1lB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYx+eaXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTno0QP/0Kl7MmTnrcFH8nJ9ZnObgUY 7GU0GgF2k3MFzZgrFPEQyM5heLI2NHL5CEtS2OgTDs/6mCnL2pj3qg4HqKD3IonW SX42bsi9kQq782xSEzxO8M8vNOEJK3ua1RPZcAYp4nzJ5SewIs4I/zcfIQ1q1fY/ Od3K5R6LTmyDjD9MEGwIsfNioKpwDAl+f7+aSQxoB/1B477sV3b6KDsXSchfn9uU b5kTnTW/hSZC5jach4dnbrwUaBjV8ClokpVL4N0YI8yX+E5vNENnwcp6BaZULGyq YHAqQQzFXD8k3AdvOnl1XWNL6UcixsID5iUNn7brp4061qBWEAFuQa1Thyxk+7jm PZfPv3xsxYgn6xTjN7L9hlcQguIdrQmF3KeEi3dpTCpkRpuEzl+6J+uFkrP/GzDF vLhzLr9h/dhwJBPN/DW4rDnpN7kt9m0nfVyteMm0Fr7PZJP3ecqbDqbaK0P/bFUg Cwqf1KS7OyprIyQ9+TApIeusmL48b4GehxY3IkLXe6NKqCe4TuBu0dOyfJFCplfE FZG7EDcy+zN6Dj5dTf6zeBzUuX+vu98fGriFvOzsJT2nGvvEstkA+1kfSDaMjCog R9sZfydm/leEVbaYU7VdUUyEfLEZtweLhWGFSJgH8/BJdU2fmG8GTxBD51IzzQxa 8B+NuY4DjEJ6h5kqmxjT =xIBy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SfJXrPadBLHUBlv3L270Vm2ifgOkGA1lB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 15:40:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C2D0CA4D for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mia.richards@web-ontop-solution.com) Received: from server.printuk.club (server.printuk.club [37.48.122.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75295362 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mia.richards@web-ontop-solution.com) Received: from PulkitEX (unknown [223.190.36.197]) by server.printuk.club (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B5994426E7 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:32:43 +0000 (UTC) From: "Mia Richards" To: Subject: Pay only for results... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 16:30:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEA1D0C345 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 304DC1E4D for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from tesla.advico (p508E894A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.142.137.74]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18D541E04ED for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:30:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> From: Christian Baer Message-ID: <35e94e6a-efea-d668-fa30-352341bf3f5b@uni-dortmund.de> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:29:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FDsQPhlLcUF4ssU0KKdWvxuADQWxFVMQq" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:30:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --FDsQPhlLcUF4ssU0KKdWvxuADQWxFVMQq Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LK21oJTw8sqSSbP9UuI8prsl8macxWE3S"; protected-headers="v1" From: Christian Baer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <35e94e6a-efea-d668-fa30-352341bf3f5b@uni-dortmund.de> Subject: Re: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? References: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> In-Reply-To: --LK21oJTw8sqSSbP9UuI8prsl8macxWE3S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/14/17 13:52, Matthew Seaman wrote: [...] > It takes about 1--2 days for changes to the ports to make it into the > latest package set, and there will be many more of them than in the > quarterly branches. You will also get an update to pkg(8) itself which= > means reverting to the quarterly packages won't be possible[*] until th= e > end of this quarter. Hey Matt! Thanks for the detailed info! Are there any major drawbacks from using the "latest" versions of packages, like stuff getting out of sync? Would this information perhaps be a noteworthy addition to the handbook? In that case I'd write up something for it. The point is that all through the handbook, using the pkg tools and the ports is described side by side. While it is not explicitly said that the results are identical, the reader is very likely to expect it - pretty much as I did. So installing a piece of software via the pkg tool and another via the ports can lead to weird results, because possibly different lib-versions are expected. What do you think? Best regards, Chris --LK21oJTw8sqSSbP9UuI8prsl8macxWE3S-- --FDsQPhlLcUF4ssU0KKdWvxuADQWxFVMQq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAljIGohfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7KnugEAuziKZEfqm5NjgFPqksVMpAmG wwJTFxsw54RndhDWFYoA/jN7v+uXpL7aPEuiotOWfbyQ2RA90NBwL/jDI0YWReWM =r6eY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FDsQPhlLcUF4ssU0KKdWvxuADQWxFVMQq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 17:52:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566E3D0CBE1 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00FAB185C for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1172FE656 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/1172FE656; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> <35e94e6a-efea-d668-fa30-352341bf3f5b@uni-dortmund.de> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:52:44 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35e94e6a-efea-d668-fa30-352341bf3f5b@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3KmVv2vCqOUDC3pVG5w6MueqWinVG3ef4" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:52:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --3KmVv2vCqOUDC3pVG5w6MueqWinVG3ef4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="aSvhS0UAOM7dJBT4UKE2NXdwRX4378FRh"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: How long does it take for a port to become a pkg? References: <1ee305da-120e-93d3-2f4b-1d95db69b34e@uni-dortmund.de> <35e94e6a-efea-d668-fa30-352341bf3f5b@uni-dortmund.de> In-Reply-To: <35e94e6a-efea-d668-fa30-352341bf3f5b@uni-dortmund.de> --aSvhS0UAOM7dJBT4UKE2NXdwRX4378FRh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/14 16:29, Christian Baer wrote: > Are there any major drawbacks from using the "latest" versions of > packages, like stuff getting out of sync? It depends on your use case. For a personal machine where you are the only user and you don't mind /too/ much if eg. firefox doesn't work for a few hours, then using the latest packages shouldn't be a problem. OTOH, if this is a corporate server that generates a lot of revenue and where changes need to be tightly controlled, the quarterly package sets would be preferable. Yes, the latest packages are a little more risky to use than the quarterly ones -- not a huge amount, and any problems are usually attended to very promptly. ie. wait a day, and it should be fixed. Also, remember that you don't have to update *every* time an update is available. Having said that, you can go for literally years at a time without experiencing any trouble. > Would this information perhaps be a noteworthy addition to the handbook= ? > In that case I'd write up something for it. The point is that all > through the handbook, using the pkg tools and the ports is described > side by side. While it is not explicitly said that the results are > identical, the reader is very likely to expect it - pretty much as I > did. So installing a piece of software via the pkg tool and another via= > the ports can lead to weird results, because possibly different > lib-versions are expected. >=20 > What do you think? I'm pretty sure there is discussion about the 'latest' and the 'quarterly' package sets somewhere in the documentation. (Maybe on the Wiki or in a forums posting.) However, I'm sure a patch to the Handbook section on packages and ports making clear the difference you've highlighted would be well received. Please do raise a PR or create a Phabricator review. 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[65.25.53.157]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm5499713ita.13.2017.03.14.11.13.52 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58C832F0.40409@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:14:08 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fluffy@FreeBSD.org CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: WIFI as access point References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:13:54 -0000 Dima Panov wrote: > > Ernie Luzar wrote: >> Hello List; >> >> I have this wifi card >> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter >> >> >> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this wifi card >> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >> >> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be configured >> to function as an access point? > > This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless Network > Adapter". > Complete examples with various AP setup described in manual page for driver. > > You were correct, I now have this card functioning as a client getting connected to my Cisco wifi router. The next step is to reconfigure it into a access point. But I have a question about how to determine what the connection speed is? Could not find any information on "connection speed" in the handbook or the man pages. Can someone please point me to where this information can be found. When this card was in a win7 box the connection speed showed as 130Mbps and network mode N. The ath man page seems to be saying network mode G is the last one supported. Is that really saying that network mode N is not supported by this driver? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 19:06:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960ECD0BC9F for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E55CE10 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827DC61F0E for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:06:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Th3dquoaKTO9 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6C5561ED8 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:06:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1489518362; bh=/0CWhdKezcC+RjyUQhiglwaqTlVUgbRyxELuPaOGi+I=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=AI66s0ghx9amnXzT/jPVJ+yvr5Rh9ynBX9nJPwcgLJ5ueo4fl6IkVlMXNFMXMWbcx HItqYRRR/G2J1hcxDDCh8JMvIf9EZMDyE2umxt5g7SsM9wrEhYE9f1qWCI1peEdWWy nLoTN+aOyUkSnV5boqLwQUyaVYUtuJWQC5vj40XmRHDv/TbqaTo5NRstVPayP+sXfs jDXWcLNghxIzazNRcx3B+kJVXzej1YtG9wIauorFfZ4U8HFJrIpxihoLQiPc5vaQNq eq/Eu7wNTJ5N/P9EMxFKNO2rvOKNGAbGQS8RSmzBnO8QuVypt27YB25CTYAqAQ5Xvu iFXZrUl1TpNtQ== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <752326cf454b5045b8759e7a4a163a23.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:06:02 -0400 Subject: FreeBSD-11 - /etc/fstab From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:11 -0000 I am experimenting with installing iDempiere on a jail called hllidempiere created with ezjail. As part of the prerequisites OpenJDK is required. When installed in the jail the OpenJDK pkg says this: This OpenJDK implementation requires fdescfs(5) mounted on /dev/fd and procfs(5) mounted on /proc. If you have not done it yet, please do the following: mount -t fdescfs fdesc /dev/fd mount -t procfs proc /proc To make it permanent, you need the following lines in /etc/fstab: fdesc /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 Now, there is no /etc/fstab in the jail itself. However on the host system there exists: /etc/fstab.hllidempiere. Checking /usr/local/etc/ezjail/hllidempiere I see that these flags are set: export jail_hllidempiere_mount_enable="YES" export jail_hllidempiere_devfs_enable="YES" export jail_hllidempiere_devfs_ruleset="devfsrules_jail" export jail_hllidempiere_procfs_enable="YES" export jail_hllidempiere_fdescfs_enable="YES" So, I believe that I should be able to perform the requisite file system mounts. What I am not clear on is how to add these file systems to the jail's fstab so that they are automatically mounted whenever the jail starts. I attempted to add these commands to /etc/fstab.hllidempiere but this had no evident effect. How is this done? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Top notch candidates for new job assignments Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Zoniac Mailer System X-Zoniac-TrackerID: c514bff2884ea0a8dde815d8cd0f1ce2f4e442cedd550f17b006fcdf91f4b58750adb2dd82642ca40b79b536a7208249ee8935251b23bc02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:49:42 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 20:59:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43712D0D832 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AA231AD4 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D90620D1; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:59:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ldX_qwBuBIYY; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE0B26135D; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:59:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1489525170; bh=m9LWBqoyQ8LKUFq0vDR5trHhAklvKxi2RBwSNkzthLA=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=ffwyjaAwFCzGAgUrURVVrXeDT6PkJ+jJTzSSViXwQlnm160TXH+c0hALWjjmCueb/ 9SqEwjnv9P0gIcxajA8NpNQRsz6tkkXlfoWNnLm8koHBd71W0cW4+4fXJ9pjTUKf0q BceqdaMxklQAYl5Fbp0bBpZiIgvCMVTOAeJqYEzM8P41+R9fqlQ2WfS7LQG+iCJaPP XdRqwIk1zOz/4YjZbl6hcfFfpXhbF2QJJmEPe5oXd5yPn9WvNfPUawxoP6LZ2OVVVu mSBIfpFSsRoBJ67HTgE9gBhkwHffEqOCqbQXnghPgIQ3w4M25+LR3YdLkTffRaxqb6 6IyBMJJ2nGHmw== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:59:30 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8e5c5be426784129a426acf656748826@dweimer.net> References: <752326cf454b5045b8759e7a4a163a23.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <8e5c5be426784129a426acf656748826@dweimer.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:59:30 -0400 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-11 - /etc/fstab From: "James B. Byrne" To: dweimer@dweimer.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:59:34 -0000 On Tue, March 14, 2017 16:01, Dean E. Weimer wrote: >> > > Look at man jail, search for mount.fstab, that's probably what you > need. > I use it for mounting nullfs file systems to my jails, haven't tried > with these special file systems though. > I read the man page which is why I first looked in the ezjail configuration file for this particular jail to see if the ability to mount these special file-systems was enabled. It appeared to be. I then updated the /etc/fstab.jailname file to have the desired entries: # cat /etc/fstab.hllidempiere /usr/jails/basejail /usr/jails/hllidempiere/basejail nullfs ro 0 0 fdesc /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 However, when I start the jail, log on to it, and perform a mount command this is all I see: # mount zroot/ROOT/default on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) Thus my question. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 21:47:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA3ED0CB85 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igelpi@trioscs.com) Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-sn1nam02on0097.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.36.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ABBB1C12 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igelpi@trioscs.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=TrioSCS.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-trioscs-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=inmLeN/ws4mOC1/kdMeByGmIgwbFmWGkdgaMrQCsCIA=; b=kKI2HkVLRWV6/eD3zRv+/KGmUfjkl7uqffn+JxXLVUufu5QS00OsJNjH+bOeLzI6jMaKD09i+NpwO9L8XsS55DKDXySSeB2dFRHmKpW4LfY6Itk5pU0E4fw3XHgzx8gzPEldAlVn+na53c7ez4MXBaif2vIlnanDLAb/aIR5jS8= Received: from BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.175.95.136) by BY2PR0201MB1607.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.163.154.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.961.17; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:47:33 +0000 Received: from BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.175.95.136]) by BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.175.95.136]) with mapi id 15.01.0947.020; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:47:32 +0000 From: Israel Gelpi To: Jon Radel , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) Thread-Topic: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) Thread-Index: AdKdBbxaAzP+vEGBRyWUB5sUJTc/QgABXJMAAAAO8tA= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:47:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: radel.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;radel.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=trioscs.com; x-originating-ip: [184.184.13.82] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BY2PR0201MB1607; 7:FQbo7EdDGO4+JcxQIqvWXpTQ0155AHyAdCwZZPLHodwImzRgNUQC6UTZpe41V3WRisJ+vWUbAd1E+MbPh2Fs+t/e47puFWjqX4O4hcV05Bg0QLam+P/l2D0QiRm01zc5QLxzIwnTYOGVPgdhfaDa+79QmXHCyVNA6E6VqWUjfanuly+DU//n4PDjPR3jipEGDz8xWecqb+amXdYMHfp57OErRMrtvdmkjlYTMva63C7fAAX/Vaka07jd2jGcU4s5moa2NrWsfz7oR3Fq2zo2D7gKdABBVkZeJREFCNMQxmswb+/jKT31Wvbt53PyAWv8SN7fwCr/2IoszvztAytF+Q== x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:SKI; SCL:-1SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(39410400002)(39840400002)(39450400003)(377454003)(13464003)(24454002)(33656002)(2950100002)(189998001)(66066001)(2900100001)(54356999)(76176999)(50986999)(2501003)(3280700002)(7736002)(229853002)(3660700001)(102836003)(122556002)(6116002)(305945005)(8676002)(3846002)(86362001)(38730400002)(6436002)(8936002)(77096006)(25786008)(53936002)(6506006)(9686003)(2906002)(55016002)(99286003)(6246003)(7696004)(53546007)(74316002)(81166006)(5660300001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR0201MB1607; H:BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: ab8bb25d-7403-4a09-cd63-08d46b23b805 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001); SRVR:BY2PR0201MB1607; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6040375)(601004)(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(3002001)(10201501046)(6041248)(20161123560025)(20161123564025)(20161123562025)(20161123555025)(2016111802025)(20161123558025)(6072148)(6043046); SRVR:BY2PR0201MB1607; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2PR0201MB1607; x-forefront-prvs: 02462830BE spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: trioscs.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Mar 2017 21:47:32.0427 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 6c994069-c22c-4f36-bd02-2670eaa78799 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1607 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:47:36 -0000 Thank you Jon. You're correct I over-wrote the entire disk ( all sectors) with zeros. Ar= e you saying if I installed FreeBSD SW it would have protected the boot sec= tor ( drive label) or are you saying I should have use the FreeBSD to wipe = the drive and it would have not erase the drive label? Israel -----Original Message----- From: Jon Radel [mailto:jon@radel.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:38 PM To: Israel Gelpi; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) On 3/14/17 5:09 PM, Israel Gelpi wrote: >=20 > Hello Sir, I had a SUN enterprise which I tested using a HDD > diagnostics software called SCSI Tool-Box Suite. After testing I > wiped the drive and mistakenly erased the Disk Label making the drive > unusable (the operating system would not "mount'). Could you advise > me on the how, I could restore/repair the Disk Label and to proper > wipe a SUN without erasing the disk label. You wish to run FreeBSD on a computer with a completely wiped disk? If so, you would have to install FreeBSD from the beginning. There is unlikely to be anything useful on the disk if you used a disk wipe feature of a disk diagnostic program. In other words, it's likely that there's nothing there to repair. If this isn't what you mean, could you please supply more information on what you mean by "wipe?" I'm taking it to mean overwriting every part of the disk at least once to make data recovery essentially impossible. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 14 22:37:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F6FD0DB26 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B43DA1CCD for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=k0l4H4yQyOdo82603jTYMNrxHnLhxKr3iF2o1pvUANbpUOvh2CU8Y4wOOyS8hpoJUw jcSCBaIZgg/WNTfapfFxKVtnD7rZbynchZyERZiXMWBp76QwugaQ7nxhV6vWGQrk8KeJ VH1QFAvLehH1kimCidW22YGtXAOH6I84xuk5P/Y7BlJ8fS+cX3rZ//8z5UicbwxHs/pQ utWN5T876DwpcwAlYduLa6rlMAsx6OGYawXtZUqOsTksWCIIjDhVO/r/aou4NJ3QFf5T 64pblLT24nrUdkdUzn64Xt9Y6orFz6g75SsI4hVSW+4WLfVeZflNcC7TZT6X7ovofvte j8gw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1489527450; x=1490132250; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=TJLbPbi1MUq gV3poUFEsVUfLCRy2nME5iQhBO5Zdltk=; b=usU9F61jDStJhWjyhsqrTuleQrw 84ik9CTBVcjla1CGE4FFgRefV7EDL2U+yq6Xr+jWwuC9gVmvHflj/zANhMhpyFEf DihKffxUGF+qbG/1w9rn0mZODC3pN2jo8UQB5ppARpyuCd6Js95Ef76aRzhYp6dY c4beat6TrGVjR2+r958UBF26l9kmUlZ50SoVpK+IleJkrfUgsWu6ga4t7j1Td5XJ n6iayIa0yZ6aed5MC0hf1RegzmRv/+miyNRgCLj1+BI8ALluos53gMnS+y06/jki R7BzrUa0v35iqvn65b8vm3S2xXEn5+5wJo2RtE5AOGUCLfAS/95UPz3eUpQ== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:ec9f:29ee:350a:b0aa] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1290581; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:37:30 +0000 Subject: Re: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) To: Israel Gelpi , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Jon Radel Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:37:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020403000405020007060800" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:37:41 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020403000405020007060800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/14/17 5:09 PM, Israel Gelpi wrote: >=20 > Hello Sir, I had a SUN enterprise which I tested using a HDD > diagnostics software called SCSI Tool-Box Suite. After testing I > wiped the drive and mistakenly erased the Disk Label making the drive > unusable (the operating system would not "mount'). Could you advise > me on the how, I could restore/repair the Disk Label and to proper > wipe a SUN without erasing the disk label. You wish to run FreeBSD on a computer with a completely wiped disk? If so, you would have to install FreeBSD from the beginning. There is unlikely to be anything useful on the disk if you used a disk wipe feature of a disk diagnostic program. In other words, it's likely that there's nothing there to repair. If this isn't what you mean, could you please supply more information on what you mean by "wipe?" 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Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF24ED0B81B for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AD67147C for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2F8JW52079437; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:19:33 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: FreeBSD-11 - /etc/fstab To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca References: <752326cf454b5045b8759e7a4a163a23.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <8e5c5be426784129a426acf656748826@dweimer.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:19:32 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:19:44 -0000 On 14/03/2017 20:59, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Tue, March 14, 2017 16:01, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > >>> >> >> Look at man jail, search for mount.fstab, that's probably what you >> need. >> I use it for mounting nullfs file systems to my jails, haven't tried >> with these special file systems though. >> > > I read the man page which is why I first looked in the ezjail > configuration file for this particular jail to see if the ability to > mount these special file-systems was enabled. It appeared to be. I > then updated the /etc/fstab.jailname file to have the desired > entries: > > # cat /etc/fstab.hllidempiere > /usr/jails/basejail /usr/jails/hllidempiere/basejail nullfs ro 0 0 > fdesc /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > > However, when I start the jail, log on to it, and perform a mount > command this is all I see: > > # mount > zroot/ROOT/default on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) > > Thus my question. If your jail.conf has "enforce_statfs = 2" in it the jail can't report any mounts other than its root. You should be able to see all mounts from the host. The best test when in the jail is whether you can see /proc or not. If so, the jail system is doing its job of mounting the extra filesystems *before* the jail starts, which means you can safely prevent the jail from doing mounts itself, improving security. The only reason for having /etc/fstab in the jail is to stop the rc scripts complaining about it being missing, and an empty file is sufficient for that. Note that looking for /dev/fd isn't quite the same. devd provides a vestigial /dev/fd itself, containing just 0, 1 & 2 (i.e. stdin, stdout & stderr). If fdesc is mounted you might see other file descriptors depending on what your shell has open. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 09:14:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13306D0D07A for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay13.qsc.de (mailrelay13.qsc.de [212.99.187.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BD1E1782 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay13.qsc.de; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:13:29 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D15723CBF9; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:13:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2F9DO3o002241; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:13:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:13:24 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Israel Gelpi Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) Message-Id: <20170315101324.484d5780.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay13.qsc.de with 7CC1F69FDAD X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:1.293 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:14:08 -0000 On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:09:17 +0000, Israel Gelpi wrote: > Hello Sir, I had a SUN enterprise which I tested using a > HDD diagnostics software called SCSI Tool-Box Suite. After > testing I wiped the drive and mistakenly erased the Disk > Label making the drive unusable (the operating system would > not "mount'). Could you advise me on the how, I could > restore/repair the Disk Label and to proper wipe a SUN > without erasing the disk label. If you intend to mount the disk again on Solaris (default Sun operating system), you'd need to do two things: 1. create a label on the disk (disklabel or bsdlabel) 2. initialize the file UFS system (newfs) Without those two (!) things, you won't be able to mount it. (NB: The following explanations are FreeBSD-specific.) The FreeBSD installer does all those things, but you can do it manually, too: Boot FreeBSD from CD or USB in live mode (shell access), then issue the required commands for the disk, for example if /dev/da0 is the disk in question (without testing, just from my memory): # bsdlabel -w /dev/da0 # bsdlabel -e /dev/da0 in the editor, change type for partition "a": "unused" -> "4.2BSD", then save & exit # newfs /dev/da0 If you need additional boot code on that disk (only required if it should be a boot disk), write the boot code as well. The same applies for newfs options you might want to add. Now the disk /dev/da0 can be mounted. It contains a disklabel with one BSD partition covering the whole disk, often called "dedicated" because there i You can find detailed information in "man bsdlabel" and "man newfs". Additional online documentation can be found here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-adding.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/disks.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html#_the_old_standard_mbr Note that FreeBSD encourages the use of gpart, a tool that can be used both for MBR operations (fdisk + bsdlabel) and GPT operations, but there's nothing wrong in using the "classic tools" for "legacy work". ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 10:37:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAA3D0D892 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claudiu.vasadi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x231.google.com (mail-wr0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 746A8834 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claudiu.vasadi@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x231.google.com with SMTP id l37so8013303wrc.1 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 03:37:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dmc804L4CvVXOKQtqVvUFCiiE+zTLpzu05hJAd5DiIw=; b=uYIz0OjtmEIq0srf7OE59Q6HlwU69aUP1isNyceENgrUy6Mp16AnHNhBxFEgqhgDRb ldnK+iarhi/jEw3bnARksYq6MszDcIIB1xIwKORIlaSApxR29s5C89jiPYqFpdlsJjt0 ONiuXaqW/7mu18KzUPW0Ouj2AfTnHux0jN7284EMfpZXUdQn5ZfFq4QI1cdQBvqYR3bk FW4NQrO6T9WdxG1zt85v66J2AKMraGakKoOjJWGj8rTHh0J31F1QMnZCpwSgz5s9VO1X uSBrsQj7SFt2c4LIvBMwsx9ZwmTfmxm1rIz8H+YufoFXxitbSkuOf3qRURkb7lKUM1Hc yUUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dmc804L4CvVXOKQtqVvUFCiiE+zTLpzu05hJAd5DiIw=; b=YB3ZXR5EoxNng9VEABu+UwGI6Sbq96BQUkhLeARr1dMkdFtZc95NdEgIFbOqUpMw28 JouO1/2I9rzfptd/jilPQi3xYjye1y1eHqHJE1buc26m4io7duCJ9HZhyqYQnlMkcYkU k3/kZ1SswntfJhbmWTnsS0yoU4BHxaZL+FkS0s5tlYNPEEV3KxInHsgvyrvhTHpeisCB 2zWmdUUed5lWo0oilqF0KSB2+NbXs4VyvGMWoKTE60NNjDSF6dgoGPQAOQi9nL1m+nV/ qwMjud4+sq/iwTe3QuCk/Y0/71H7rwG7knulzKVdRBEKoj87cmnjDaeCPSH4z8v6owFp oTnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3RmceeyYPo82GeevYfna4nTfB6IjVZ2hIwk9HSu92BCK6pvEmqD8YgEs1TEh4Dm4+eJm20fTRtDn0CIw== X-Received: by 10.223.176.20 with SMTP id f20mr2359134wra.160.1489574273518; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 03:37:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.181.67 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 03:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: claudiu vasadi Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: freebsd update server -- no patches for 11.0-RELEASE since p4 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:37:56 -0000 Hello everyone, Do any of you have any idea why the svn for the freebsd update server has no patches newer than p4 for the 11.0-RELEASE? Using freebsd-update on the freebsd update server, I get p8 already but I'd also like to build the patches for a bunch of servers with no internet access. -- Best regards, Claudiu Vasadi From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 13:35:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02123D0D734 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igelpi@trioscs.com) Received: from NAM03-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm3nam03on0122.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.41.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9E3D12AD for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igelpi@trioscs.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=TrioSCS.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-trioscs-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=j441h657D9h3hhGSCoaR5IdQ89ena/n3JAK3LjQJuxc=; b=viAFa2becjHlT0I4axtfCxWNci4jxsefbWbiYkCzqFliZQ+UpCH5XY41+l6Uh1KXbQwPqaWi/D5bSEihmw+sDWe3qZ0vMECE4tOYvZM+5y/RwmGAzCcn3im2zJ02cIaou6WMgKFUCmnv5hnBB8hfVdjMLgbfY1MacGTsIS031pw= Received: from BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.175.95.136) by BN6PR02MB2724.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.175.95.138) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.947.12; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:35:24 +0000 Received: from BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.175.95.136]) by BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.175.95.136]) with mapi id 15.01.0947.020; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:35:24 +0000 From: Israel Gelpi To: Polytropon CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) Thread-Topic: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) Thread-Index: AdKdBbxaAzP+vEGBRyWUB5sUJTc/QgAZqmcAAAkmfyk= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: <20170315133522.5386317.83680.7791@trioscs.com> References: , <20170315101324.484d5780.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170315101324.484d5780.freebsd@edvax.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: edvax.de; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;edvax.de; dmarc=none action=none header.from=trioscs.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-originating-ip: [107.77.225.230] x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 3c0f2133-84ba-4141-1758-08d46ba822bf x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(22001);SRVR:BN6PR02MB2724; x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BN6PR02MB2724; 7:Kx9a1hZWYWmFPYJqy8GId09v8PfjVw+tRMVkcnIG+5tfvX/LDZCu2h0OhLZVzNs+I7qOQPAMWuDRg8CjmAroE3NbM9mAOtweVEA0UZmlCYitahwGqY5eKxAbFPiLfZnYnP3lrj6Chf5M6OT9TCbXlgBio00qZCLaELqIJ6BrQYrrog5yHlmy9omou+QqhhtVZBBb8MmQ1X2w2QUociTjaBlUGWUrXZhT0hOhEUK2YV4FNdSwJ95zuwQl/QtFbrJju3fD4KMElZH48qgIxISPciSuQesyAWNo4Emvxu1eDL/NUKovsZs1+SRARx8IJ90G5dEbiRM+F64XkjvfKAnpNA== x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(209352067349851); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6040375)(601004)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001)(6041248)(20161123564025)(20161123560025)(20161123555025)(20161123558025)(20161123562025)(2016111802025)(6072148)(6043046); SRVR:BN6PR02MB2724; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN6PR02MB2724; x-forefront-prvs: 02475B2A01 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(39450400003)(39410400002)(39830400002)(377454003)(24454002)(6436002)(6916009)(6512007)(9886003)(4326008)(6306002)(86362001)(966004)(2950100002)(1076002)(122556002)(100306002)(8676002)(99286003)(6486002)(189998001)(36756003)(6506006)(77096006)(81166006)(103116003)(25786008)(8936002)(6116002)(6246003)(3280700002)(76176999)(102836003)(7736002)(229853002)(3660700001)(53936002)(53546007)(5660300001)(2906002)(2900100001)(66066001)(3846002)(305945005)(54356999)(50986999)(38730400002)(110136004); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN6PR02MB2724; H:BN6PR02MB2722.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: trioscs.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Mar 2017 13:35:24.4766 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 6c994069-c22c-4f36-bd02-2670eaa78799 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN6PR02MB2724 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:35:28 -0000 Thank you. You have given me a wealth of information. But as a novice I was= need to study and understand these recommendations. =FDWish me success. := -) Israel Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Polytropon Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:13 AM To: Israel Gelpi Reply To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LABEL (The FreeBSD Disklabel Editor) =FD On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:09:17 +0000, Israel Gelpi wrote: > Hello Sir, I had a SUN enterprise which I tested using a > HDD diagnostics software called SCSI Tool-Box Suite. After > testing I wiped the drive and mistakenly erased the Disk > Label making the drive unusable (the operating system would > not "mount'). Could you advise me on the how, I could > restore/repair the Disk Label and to proper wipe a SUN > without erasing the disk label. If you intend to mount the disk again on Solaris (default Sun operating system), you'd need to do two things: 1. create a label on the disk (disklabel or bsdlabel) 2. initialize the file UFS system (newfs) Without those two (!) things, you won't be able to mount it. (NB: The following explanations are FreeBSD-specific.) The FreeBSD installer does all those things, but you can do it manually, too: Boot FreeBSD from CD or USB in live mode (shell access), then issue the required commands for the disk, for example if /dev/da0 is the disk in question (without testing, just from my memory): # bsdlabel -w /dev/da0 # bsdlabel -e /dev/da0 in the editor, change type for partition "a": "unused" -> "4.2BSD", then save & exit # newfs /dev/da0 If you need additional boot code on that disk (only required if it should be a boot disk), write the boot code as well. The same applies for newfs options you might want to add. Now the disk /dev/da0 can be mounted. It contains a disklabel with one BSD partition covering the whole disk, often called "dedicated" because there i You can find detailed information in "man bsdlabel" and "man newfs". Additional online documentation can be found here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-adding.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/disks.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html#_the_old_standard_m= br Note that FreeBSD encourages the use of gpart, a tool that can be used both for MBR operations (fdisk + bsdlabel) and GPT operations, but there's nothing wrong in using the "classic tools" for "legacy work". ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 14:12:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF93D0DD04 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39EBC1D07 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from tesla.advico (p508E894A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.142.137.74]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E72461E06E1 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:12:08 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: about display managers... Message-ID: <1e7c8769-36e1-fc80-d897-484b9468a605@uni-dortmund.de> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:12:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:12:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Greetings programs! I am setting up a new laptop here and doing things a little differently. The past machines I set up all had KDE4, which I learned to regret[1]. I'm trying to do things a little differently. Because I like to play with different WM and desktops, I have installed Lumina, Xfce and Openbox - there might be more. But there is the thing about the DM. On Opensuse Leap I can install KDM5 (which I actually do like) as a separate package (with very little KDE clutter). FreeBSD doesn't have it as a separate package, so I'd have to install KDE completely - which I am trying to avoid. Strangely, GDM is there as a separate package, but since it wants to install the current Gnome3 (~950MB), I won't go down that road either. XDM works but looks like it's stuck in the early 90s. I have heard of other display managers, but I can't really say I have used any. And unfortunately, the term "display manager" in duckduckgo and others give me a ton of stuff that actually involves displays (as in hardware). So that wasn't too helpful either. Can someone recommend a DM[2], that can be installed under FreeBSD (without having to install a complete desktop along side it), preferably one that looks modern attractive (customers will see this laptop) and makes changing between desktops nice and simple? Cheers! Chris [1] Akonadi and the likes IMHO simply blow, but I don't want to start a discussion about that here. [2] or two, or three... :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAljJS7hfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7LEFgD/Ra7A+xBV4sa0tszbZVliF9Yx g9/aFXmj3Xr96B0H9/4A/R6sQAP52QW6ElYkSQxy0rAPMNhh5wIZvZ7Y9KPc3dG7 =Cqo5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 14:36:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71941D0E294 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E60C5B66 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1489588600; bh=YU8cLfqAVyS+pLSNdZD752QR5QvHN+/HTRBFdkN8ows=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=C+ALDigTX0Td59dDKxVF9hgEbWCprslhpt9rqe0Xyf2roCpSIon8qfUGr6honJlLokal+SeyKGlPWBfpUBRjIHUn02IHSwWa9pmcODD7F/09pWVNOPlcWiImxZc/hMp7mfi/syGh82i/eKnGIF90wvf/cPgYCy01RwJ9O7XhZuRdoVl5U10y3ofpZy6K4yD9yJ8QwpYVQoGJ+lyDFe7YRF1K7A9PcHL9Yi7Gowl3FhXTwTtIn2bDDWuQvcjU9eK8ncXZJbBH8kCqWNpXy0Y1F7/Ku3k/Rae4Uy5KhhlBOPMBHrmkfHNmhdC208BvS7Wy6XOyHeB/Q1s6/nd72+RTPA== Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm25.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2017 14:36:40 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.79] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2017 14:36:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2017 14:36:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 935165.5439.bm@smtp116.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: CsAKmJwVM1nYIQJbmkGUS4Fdy1sgYwCafGh_w9uLCTXDOsM nzyfcywU0GeLXkySuSsRx2p66EqV8uTYk_drEQUaX.6a.OhPNGr1qa00PN6J O3t_sX2VIZAg.RE3tMhSsTUnD7KOZ7qRP0TDgMrs36h1hkSjDtb7ykB2rbD9 fOmhTaBnShDFjqjpva2.9K5y12t4dJmKuv6jxOMURQe9ogUYNGVj15xcGN1w Aij0jSUbqgKxko.p6L6dHeGwwSc74fPhtO.1vV0HOIFHFSbsJpiAc6rIi8MU 6LHsAouje_KZxuBPB1PctJjxypCjmnCw9_RJW.12ySmjz208EiuIir07C16h N2Va5MuppqIK8VcLlZo_nZL70Pl9Qn.SAOEmvKGqf.Wds.sghwPycFC_Mptv aPwMJdpAWhVNj3DkHiIQy0vknhD8L8Fr3U8raaXGSSWcIDOxTJACCFjLg0X9 GtuIrk2nec3zB6fs6mDTrAbePF3pKc3rWqBcNReCD7W4URkx_0A8T8dSsL45 5pefJPF26QjWTle_MO.NXMRnn9rDQHe19W14g5wqVp2uEUCAHxU7qJty7r7x RClQyU4PyIxQ0l9cIZeITLQgLKWNDrw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:36:39 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about display managers... Message-ID: <20170315153639.47ea59f7@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1e7c8769-36e1-fc80-d897-484b9468a605@uni-dortmund.de> References: <1e7c8769-36e1-fc80-d897-484b9468a605@uni-dortmund.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:36:50 -0000 On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:12:08 +0100, Christian Baer wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA512 > >Greetings programs! > >I am setting up a new laptop here and doing things a little >differently. The past machines I set up all had KDE4, which I learned >to regret[1]. I'm trying to do things a little differently. > >Because I like to play with different WM and desktops, I have installed >Lumina, Xfce and Openbox - there might be more. But there is the >thing about the DM. On Opensuse Leap I can install KDM5 (which I >actually do like) as a separate package (with very little KDE clutter). >FreeBSD doesn't have it as a separate package, so I'd have to install >KDE completely - which I am trying to avoid. Strangely, GDM is there as >a separate package, but since it wants to install the current Gnome3 >(~950MB), I won't go down that road either. XDM works but looks like >it's stuck in the early 90s. > >I have heard of other display managers, but I can't really say I have >used any. And unfortunately, the term "display manager" in duckduckgo >and others give me a ton of stuff that actually involves displays (as >in hardware). So that wasn't too helpful either. > >Can someone recommend a DM[2], that can be installed under FreeBSD >(without having to install a complete desktop along side it), >preferably one that looks modern attractive (customers will see this >laptop) and makes changing between desktops nice and simple? DMs could have different greeters and themes, perhaps you should google for "freebsd name_of_a_DM greeter". The DMs as well as the greeters could have configuration files where you could change the appearance. One DM you didn't mention is "lightdm". I don't know how good it's maintained for FreeBSD, but there at least seemingly is a port for it and a gtk-greeter. https://www.freshports.org/x11/lightdm https://www.freshports.org/x11/lightdm-gtk-greeter/ When installing "equal" DMs from different Linux distros' official repositories, I noticed that they are not always equal to configure, so if you build for FreeBSD, you might need care about options when building the DM. 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[74.141.88.74]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b88sm350806itd.21.2017.03.15.09.18.40 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:18:41 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: WIFI as access point References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:18:42 -0000 Dima Panov wrote: > > Ernie Luzar wrote: >> Hello List; >> >> I have this wifi card >> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter >> >> >> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this wifi card >> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >> >> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be configured >> to function as an access point? > > This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless Network > Adapter". > Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page for driver. > > I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and connect to it. But it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not end point. To me this sounds like a network configuration problem on my Freebsd gateway box. /root >ifconfig wlan0 wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 0 ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 nd6 options=29 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng status: running ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 scanvalid 60 protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst dtimperiod 1 -dfs groups: wlan /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf interface=wlan0 debug=2 ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd ctrl_interface_group=wheel ssid=FBSD_AP wpa=2 wpa_passphrase=test wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK wpa_pairwise=CCMP /root >cat /etc/rc.conf Snip gateway_enable="YES" ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch # Wifi in hostap mode wlans_ath0="wlan0" create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP mode 11g" hostapd_enable="YES" dhcpd_enable="YES" dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic dhcpd_flags="-q" This general config has been working for many years, since release 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a gateway hostap. I do not understand what this is doing fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 17:10:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2456DD0E46B for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x243.google.com (mail-yw0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E09F9C93 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x243.google.com with SMTP id 2so2143805ywn.3 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=n7USFWgdh6Gb2hZO8isyZgO2XtXsdyUNjAWAxC6RYhk=; b=WWJdC4yYk+1wSZ+UIf/f/PcPURXInouzOt/tcopNkndwmMbtxp6OyjYQd4uh4L9JNy HAa7gus2sthLw+mgwKSw/tV1W4biuJ4KpEdkY+qNa+ZZ7+bPx+pbZ0uGJQQFIC9TXdJD RYwWCMqhRpCpWiy5qSna9PHpd+dEx9V/Xp2UINTEzXQO2BvFZNbRIuCLOCzI6L8H4GYB oDfOrZ04TiSzeNxDa9MP7rP+jurRPbYm00pLMfdRUg7bbAdJkKNyeFlJMKW4FqstzcRN aIEdAu6vouQKYuhJAw1S7qNR9WhhUX7e6zw3LZUdPSBV00KdqzlzFGJzXJEZeYplpSzm XjIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=n7USFWgdh6Gb2hZO8isyZgO2XtXsdyUNjAWAxC6RYhk=; b=qE4lKR1vTRkpGSq0ygvGwdQBwaABx+BHDx/qhWTw1XUgu6qm2H+AI5hdr7yr/YTMOn 2XtYwshOIVMCZZRnkChRfWJepJFExvM4I+bRIzjpSVkvBB1WhtOb3xsCxQX3/gjHOCPj WSZJvZOpoxh/KXV3EKT80abZ7FTqfgosegbCzn33xwivE3k/yMX1O2ljqhgzyWGdP+qN r57LFmsS+ylsn305Uj63WYKLppW7Gc3jaJanJzayyt8icPRNITiFhsqiNQPOPtbxYM7I 5nn/rQFhgT0iXBiUYQXxX7L1modxyre8i9H96WJku0MsJ9b1eS055hXT5iXQqW49wcDA bgmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1WUt+PTHqWKR0ZCJcQfd86f7KvSvt3W2gPRRQh4WsgutuXDW/I4utolYfQY+iXYTUX2yfyktL3dXfz3g== X-Received: by 10.129.160.83 with SMTP id x80mr3181430ywg.342.1489597826804; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.217.85 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> From: Peter Pauly Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WIFI as access point To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:10:28 -0000 You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on the WiFi interface. On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Dima Panov wrote: > >> >> Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> Hello List; >>> >>> I have this wifi card >>> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-exp >>> ress-desktop-adapter >>> >>> >>> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this wifi card >>> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >>> >>> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be configured >>> to function as an access point? >>> >> >> This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless Network >> Adapter". >> Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page for >> driver. >> >> >> > I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" Chapter > in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my gateway box > that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and connect to it. But > it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi trouble shooting says no > valid ip address and not end point. To me this sounds like a network > configuration problem on my Freebsd gateway box. > > /root >ifconfig wlan0 > wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 0 > ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 > inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 > nd6 options=29 > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng > > status: running > ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid > 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 > regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED > deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 > scanvalid 60 > protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst > dtimperiod 1 -dfs > groups: wlan > > > > /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf > interface=wlan0 > debug=2 > ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd > ctrl_interface_group=wheel > ssid=FBSD_AP > wpa=2 > wpa_passphrase=test > wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK > wpa_pairwise=CCMP > > > /root >cat /etc/rc.conf > Snip > > gateway_enable="YES" > > ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem > ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch > > # Wifi in hostap mode > wlans_ath0="wlan0" > create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" > ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP mode > 11g" > hostapd_enable="YES" > > dhcpd_enable="YES" > dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" > dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic > dhcpd_flags="-q" > > > This general config has been working for many years, since release 3.0 of > Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a gateway hostap. > > I do not understand what this is doing > fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. > > I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config which has this > security mode = wpa2 personal > encrytion = tkip or aes > network mode = BGN > > > Thanks for any help you can give me > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > @freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 18:35:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6449D0E766 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A451AE4 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 481E9CB8CB3; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:07:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:07:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33488.128.135.52.6.1489601276.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:07:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: texlive and Arduino do not show up in gnome-menu From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Brad Salai" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <9A36C317-5CFC-467C-9C20-93850159EEEB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9A36C317-5CFC-467C-9C20-93850159EEEB@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:35:36 -0000 On Sat, March 11, 2017 10:50 am, Brad Salai wrote: > Turns out that the problem with texlive was me. It installed all the working parts but not any X11 parts. I installed TeXworks and all is well. > All that is left is to figure out where the ports system put Arduino. Thanks to everyone for the help. I have FreeBSD 10.3 on my laptop. I do have all arduino packages installed using pkg. In menus of MATE desktop environment (MATE is fork of GNOME) I do have arduino: Applications --> Programming --> Arduino I hope, this helps. Valeri > > Brad Salai > (585) 708-9235 > Bsalai@gmail.com > > >> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:00 AM, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: >> Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of freebsd-questions digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> 1. [iTunes-Connect]Someone has been logged into your account >> from another country (AppleID) >> 2. daily security run output (setuid) (James B. Byrne) >> 3. Re: daily security run output (setuid) (Matthew Seaman) >> 4. Re: daily security run output (setuid) (Lowell Gilbert) >> 5. Reboot hangs on a FreeBSD system I'm building (Bob Willcox) 6. Noob question (Brad Salai) >> 7. Re: Noob question (Jack L.) >> 8. Re: Libreoffice and Arduino do not show up in gnome-menu >> (Sergei Akhmatdinov) >> 9. Re: Noob question (Ken Moffat) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:05:33 -0600 (CST) >> From: AppleID >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: [iTunes-Connect]Someone has been logged into your account >> from another country >> Message-ID: <20170310140533.3A0A0A619BA@578509-app3.linx.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:42:42 -0500 >> From: "James B. Byrne" >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: daily security run output (setuid) >> Message-ID: >> <0a9bbc9664cdeacc27dacadbd575ea1d.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> Following a recent update we began to see this report: >> Checking setuid files and devices: >> setuid diffs: >> --- /var/log/setuid.today 2017-01-18 03:01:01.000000000 -0500 +++ /tmp/security.saU3IUZT 2017-03-08 03:01:01.006331628 -0500 @@ -36,9 +36,9 @@ >> . . . >> - 70217 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Jan 12 00:09:17 2017 /usr/local/bin/pkexec >> . . . >> + 30527 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Feb 25 00:04:40 2017 /usr/local/bin/pkexec >> pkg which /usr/local/bin/pkexec >> /usr/local/bin/pkexec was installed by package polkit-0.113_3 >> pkg info polkit-0.113_3 >> polkit-0.113_3 >> Name : polkit >> Version : 0.113_3 >> Installed on : Tue Mar 7 15:31:14 2017 EST >> This was a legitimate update as far as I can see. I can see that the mtime value has changed but why does the update not account for this with the security system? >> -- >> *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** >> Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail >> Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail >> James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca >> Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca >> 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 >> Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 >> Canada L8E 3C3 >> -- >> *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** >> Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail >> Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail >> James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca >> Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca >> 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 >> Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 >> Canada L8E 3C3 >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:04:34 +0000 >> From: Matthew Seaman >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: daily security run output (setuid) >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> On 2017/03/10 16:42, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: Following a recent update we began to see this report: >>> Checking setuid files and devices: >>> setuid diffs: >>> --- /var/log/setuid.today 2017-01-18 03:01:01.000000000 -0500 +++ /tmp/security.saU3IUZT 2017-03-08 03:01:01.006331628 -0500 @@ -36,9 +36,9 @@ >>> . . . >>> - 70217 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Jan 12 00:09:17 2017 /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>> . . . >>> + 30527 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Feb 25 00:04:40 2017 /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>> pkg which /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>> /usr/local/bin/pkexec was installed by package polkit-0.113_3 >>> pkg info polkit-0.113_3 >>> polkit-0.113_3 >>> Name : polkit >>> Version : 0.113_3 >>> Installed on : Tue Mar 7 15:31:14 2017 EST >>> This was a legitimate update as far as I can see. I can see that the mtime value has changed but why does the update not account for this with the security system? >> The security system? That makes it sound *way* more sophisticated than it really is. >> All that the setuid daily script does is run find(1) to locate all of the setuid files on the system, creates a sorted list, and then diffs that against the previous day's list. It tells you when there have been >> any changes to setuid files. It doesn't say anything about whether those changes are legitimate or not -- that's down to the (supposedly) intelligent administrators who read the email reports. >> The beauty of it is that it is so simple it is very hard to bamboozle. In this case, since it is a file from a pkg that you can verify was re-installed during the right timeframe then you can be pretty sure that >> nothing untoward is going on. Also running 'pkg check -s polkit' to verify that none of the checksums on the package's files have changed might provide additional peace of mind. >> Cheers, >> Matthew >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: signature.asc >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 972 bytes >> Desc: OpenPGP digital signature >> URL: >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:11:57 -0500 >> From: Lowell Gilbert >> To: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" >> >> Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca >> Subject: Re: daily security run output (setuid) >> Message-ID: <44bmt9jbtu.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" writes: >>> Following a recent update we began to see this report: >>> Checking setuid files and devices: >> [...] >>> This was a legitimate update as far as I can see. I can see that the mtime value has changed but why does the update not account for this with the security system? >> Because having "the security system" trust that the the port update was initiated by an appropriately authorized user would make it too easy to hide a security breach. >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:03:09 -0600 >> From: Bob Willcox >> To: questions list >> Subject: Reboot hangs on a FreeBSD system I'm building >> Message-ID: <20170310190308.GA29798@rancor.immure.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> I'm building a system to act as a fileserver for my network and things are >> going reasonably well so far except that when I reboot it via the reboot >> command it gets to the point after it has successfully sync'd the filesystem >> caches and the just hangs there. Note that it will respond to pings from >> other systems on the network but keyboard activity is ignored. >> Here's the uname output: >> FreeBSD yoda.immure.com 11.0-STABLE FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE #1 r315001: Fri Mar 10 08:38:20 CST 2017 >> bob@yoda.immure.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/YODA amd64 >> This is running on an Asus H170I-Pro motherboard and has a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 >> PCIe NVMe boot drive. The UEFI BIOS settings are all at their defaults. I >> planning to check the BIOS settings to see if changing any of them will make a >> difference. >> Note that the root/boot drive is ZFS in case that matters. >> -- >> Bob Willcox | If a program is useful, it will be changed. >> bob@immure.com | >> Austin, TX | >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:51:35 -0500 >> From: Brad Salai >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Noob question >> Message-ID: <83FA4D74-AB47-45D8-A5D6-EB8892A47E4D@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that I >> got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out the path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >> Brad >> Brad Salai >> (585) 708-9235 >> Bsalai@gmail.com >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 7 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:11:45 -0800 >> From: "Jack L." >> To: Brad Salai >> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Noob question >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> You can run >> pkg info --list-files packagename >> and that will give you a list of where all the installed files are >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Brad Salai wrote: I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that I got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out the >>> path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>> Brad >>> Brad Salai >>> (585) 708-9235 >>> Bsalai@gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 8 >> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:39:33 -0500 >> From: Sergei Akhmatdinov >> To: Brad Salai >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Libreoffice and Arduino do not show up in gnome-menu Message-ID: <20170311013933.4qn72svt4nodgiut@silverbeast> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 07:51:35PM -0500, Brad Salai wrote: >>> I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that I got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out the >>> path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>> Brad >> $ which binary-name >> That should get you the path to the installed binary. >> For Libreoffice, that would be >> $ which libreoffice >> I don't use Gnome, but it probably reads your >> /usr/local/share/applications directory. >> Try adding .desktop files to it manually. Although it's suspicious that they aren't there already or that Gnome wouldn't pick them up if they are. >> Also, just a piece of friendly advice: >> Try to give more discriptive subject lines when posting to >> the mailing list next time. It helps other people to help you. :) Cheers, >> -- >> Sergei Akhmatdinov >> My GPG public key: >> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys AD800D99 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: signature.asc >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 833 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 01:41:01 +0000 >> From: Ken Moffat >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Noob question >> Message-ID: <20170311014101.GA18045@milliways.localdomain> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 07:51:35PM -0500, Brad Salai wrote: >>> I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that I got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out the >>> path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>> Brad >> No idea about arduino, but texlive - at least in a full install - contains a lot of different things. At a minimum, you probably want to run one of the engines, e.g. using pdflatex on a .tex file to create a text PDF. For more complex PDFs (adding things for images, or using other programs for indexing or bibliographies) you will probably want to create a Makefile. >> For a basic PDF that, you open your term of choice (gnome-terminal, I suppose), run 'which' to see if pdflatex (or one of the other engines, e.g. lualatex, xelatex, or even context) is on your PATH. If it isn't, you use find or locate to see where it is, and then add that directory to your PATH. But I guess that installing the package will have fixed that up. >> Finally, you create your tex file in your preferred editor, and then from your term you invoke the engine on the tex file, fix any errors and repeat until you get a PDF, open that in your viewer (evince, for gnome) and review, then fix any spelling or formatting errors and repeat. >> So, providing it is all on your PATH, you just go in and do it. If you want a gui front-end, perhaps get TeXworks which appears to be a package. In windows versions of texlive, TeXworks is included - but not in 'nix versions : it has additional dependencies such as Qt. Happy TeXing. >> ?en >> -- >> `I shall take my mountains', said Lu-Tze. `The climate will be good for them.' -- Small Gods >> ------------------------------ >> Subject: Digest Footer >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> ------------------------------ >> End of freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 666, Issue 6 >> ************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 18:46:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954EED0ECF3 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay12.qsc.de (mailrelay12.qsc.de [212.99.163.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07874A04 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay12.qsc.de; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:45:44 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFFDA3CBF9; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:45:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2FIjgqw002026; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:45:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:45:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about display managers... Message-Id: <20170315194542.f1a393ff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1e7c8769-36e1-fc80-d897-484b9468a605@uni-dortmund.de> References: <1e7c8769-36e1-fc80-d897-484b9468a605@uni-dortmund.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay12.qsc.de with 37A986A3A78 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2004 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:46:05 -0000 On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:12:08 +0100, Christian Baer wrote: > Because I like to play with different WM and desktops, I have installed > Lumina, Xfce and Openbox - there might be more. But there is the > thing about the DM. On Opensuse Leap I can install KDM5 (which I > actually do like) as a separate package (with very little KDE clutter). > FreeBSD doesn't have it as a separate package, so I'd have to install > KDE completely - which I am trying to avoid. I think you only need kde-base and kde-libs for kdm to work. Maybe there are KDE-less alternatives that you might want to consider, for example SLIM or WDM? > Strangely, GDM is there as > a separate package, but since it wants to install the current Gnome3 > (~950MB), I won't go down that road either. I also cannot recommend to do this. A recent update where the Gnome part replaced Gnome 2 with Gnome 3 (and lead to total unusefulness of the system) taught me not to deal with Gnome anymore. Sadly, MATE (a Gnome 2 fork, partially compatible) doesn't include a "gdm lookalike", that's why I switched to SLIM - therefore my recommendation. > XDM works but looks like > it's stuck in the early 90s. Well, xdm is very functional and customizable, but you have to manually edit files to do so. It's secure (in a way that it doesn't suggest user names, display passwords or autologins users) and also _very_ fast. Additionally, it's very lightweight on X dependencies. Personally, I'm still using it on a daily basis, so it must be good for something / someone. ;-) > Can someone recommend a DM[2], that can be installed under FreeBSD > (without having to install a complete desktop along side it), preferably > one that looks modern attractive (customers will see this laptop) and > makes changing between desktops nice and simple? Again, I'd like to mention WDM (the WindowMaker display manager) and especially SLIM, super easy to setup, fast, and looks good. END OF LINE. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 21:48:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D19D0E741 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phnxcs_rep@lycos.com) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0016.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EDBB1EDA for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phnxcs_rep@lycos.com) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.248.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.248]) by smtprelay05.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CF132AFD8 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 70686E7863735F726570406C79636F732E636F6D X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, phnxcs_rep@lycos.com, :, RULES_HIT:41:152:355:379:472:582:962:966:967:968:988:989:1042:1152:1189:1221:1260:1313:1314:1345:1381:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1534:1541:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1711:1730:1777:1792:2196:2199:2553:2557:2559:2562:2693:2900:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3622:3769:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:4362:4385:4559:5007:6119:6261:6630:6659:6678:7874:7903:8603:8957:10004:10216:10400:10450:10455:10848:11035:11658:11914:13071:13139:13161:13229:13439:14096:14180:14721:19904:19999:21080:21433:21451:30054:30055:30070:30079:30089:30090, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0, LFtime:2, LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: iron98_473addb9b3f1b X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 3090 Received: from webmail.lycos.com (imap-ext [64.98.36.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@phnxcs_rep@lycos.com) by omf11.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:09 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:09 +0000 From: phnxcs_rep@lycos.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility Message-ID: <05d1839f2efad7ead81ed4634a0f8d7c@lycos.com> X-Sender: phnxcs_rep@lycos.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.5 X-Originating-IP: [97.115.208.21] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:18 -0000 Hello, I have an older Toshiba laptop and a (store bought) copy of FreeBSD 3.4 and wonder if these two would play well together. The software is dated January 2000 and I bought the laptop new in November 2008. The Toshiba is running Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 2. I had planned to use Whitecanyon's WipeDrive8 to clean the HD and from my reading of the book (3rd edition) the four disks came with it seems I should be able to remove the MBR, repartition, and, format with the tools that came with FreeBSD. Toshiba Satellite A-205 S5880 Intel Pentium Dual 1.86 GHz CPU (T2390) 3 GB RAM 32 Bit 184 GB HD (NTFS) CD/DVD etc., stock out of the box for the rest. I guess the two questions are: 1. is the laptop to old for this version of FreeBSD (ver. 3.4) 2. will the O.S. and the Toshiba work well enough together to make it worth the effort. Thank you for your time, Phnxcs_rep From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 22:20:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB19D0EF7E for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22c.google.com (mail-qk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7244A1EBD for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id p64so25463656qke.1 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:20:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oe+dG4B3CiqkqYu9ar/XBHZ0ydPylLeJLePpW8At2dk=; b=tyQbVX1NRX6ps81jDQPAitfvhjcSL12VoBdWjceTL6Osa8N0uuIyHiFZjn/pnLsTZz c2GWZ2SmkalrRgCJ9UWJW0Ua244fWoml58BcYf2VQbGSUOqy5HRjSh4VFO26Qmefxc9o VcNAZ/31KNT2tj3zp2O9aGhH1BtJcw1octLGPplqDPdKwRS9AUUoFAfoXAd5BOqbZHMi ELV+Jnwu2z4xgbZ1j+wWWYuybgflfUShrsVwFXRvAzXE8P277fQECO/UHuidd/T4ovfE HgfnlayLV15y1M1wzFVRPw6pZFG92J8mo214PjZ1MTm6o1UYlSvhtUk1ZNZlUD/mdzeh wF9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oe+dG4B3CiqkqYu9ar/XBHZ0ydPylLeJLePpW8At2dk=; b=JqPrF8/5cPALzIn5WkDvgYIGZVYFpcfK3ciU7DRuz8ZUpgh/S8h33TpqV0OzGPLQ+N /teqAws483lCSjPEyYjWDKASC63jm/2E/uzOmk8bXSJX5GEGXDapK+au5P2LBTFR/08z yvDyaTTfU4WTfgybmorMSeWa3u2ZNTfcPj9REGkBd4h+BqsJiFkqMz565QdtzB/TeKiv q7uwkYeE5Tua5h4u1GVqZRxyJ9VMCQgvc65RK9pU27tLjv/QQo8vIeCBpH+3gN907HZI NMxxFxni1Re/RWy84XXU+si/dNY0CbhWID+RrMLGeN4PTS/jfTZgU6pJBakwmx1lAqLA ObdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0MChBbrrQOrAbpw+1dphsqMr2HXIPAEVIiQgiTRTtx+t9NpDTgjRJx+n6KXpts+NtkkffeRJ4ZdwrHoHZL X-Received: by 10.55.162.16 with SMTP id l16mr4877671qke.204.1489616454964; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:20:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.39.182 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:20:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <05d1839f2efad7ead81ed4634a0f8d7c@lycos.com> References: <05d1839f2efad7ead81ed4634a0f8d7c@lycos.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:20:56 -0000 On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, wrote: > > I have an older Toshiba laptop and a (store bought) copy of FreeBSD 3.4 > and wonder if these two would play well together. The software is dated > January 2000 and I bought the laptop new in November 2008. > > Wrong question - that version is likely too old for your hardware. For the love of all that is holy and good in the universe, use a currently-supported version. 3.4 was EOL in 1999! https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/10.3/FreeB= SD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img.xz for example --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 22:27:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA94FD0E1CF for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DF521236 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.8.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.145]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MaaU5-1cUGYB1Irp-00KC20 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:22:22 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coHJF-0004wL-Q9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:22:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:22:21 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:BBqGblnjaswkh+JqGH/KM3t3dawG9i4rdaqy6O+iN3VhbNC5Fxk STaEISAdOueqRYuncAd7YCtSbv/Onl2B5kqwVW5jFT8eSJ6rDtq1eSjZ8FJgncPu9pgF8ZT 78w75GVviQ3S5TiF38ZU9NGi+cFZvjKMTmYHbJqxVrBZ7KFZOLQBqhY0atTsrRDKsoXsGA1 6ZD3Vu0blgbC2cAGz++LQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:16bf5ZpKPQA=:B9I3tjocCTSXlSY8f2Xy6A hmnjB795Nt+gC+IThVwT/lbI0mQXxDNz32Dhb8O9TgFnBudidL19ozUYx6jBdcBEhjzdMCs/4 0/mAJ0XZCyD5qSVZM5KJ7/lVcjr9ldswyF/sDktr+rY+apAt8wx8X5EJrw+18PChL34J9lYFT jirXzf9HkBcwPtwj8Gx+06ijlV/EyhuURQRgKmewI5ytJgG69Qhf0F4V7Rw19vCzQuuGxl6gJ F72yhxua3hpi0uvx3vBblmN/6vM5vvVC9gudTASA3He8jHC4GGQntHml5vQGmrGeX8L9im7vp h7nr6g4c0yM1dhGXlJ2kvWSocJLeLn8HbSw+k0UhUyogTJZ6E5sSUIvi0c7q9KTQaavc2pzbG UtyMa2wuD26rDSES6ca6lUDQU3D+MWNlA5+4fiTwRO3JEEHTPabP0oUyVIWCFEtrbR1FyrS8t XUxprDwUSKZHn5MJBTlCue/NESmCJgNLbBxOwQWWd9L9sJ8/L1DkNN9+r4iuis66SSXvixVdc rojroWLh/xLAaCLNIomCEXlslO+5aLV0YdRx7Zw8dqiF28h8mzNymblz7+yM9aUcvNLnmMnLe JyfshecKQnlldb2+oxQJeve+9QUeIjizME9mQCaivxJTwWNXLPvIMpomzgqz/iO86EEmOE/ju U5+7mKPCJOqOIUEaanHSVVbSUko9e9FGClouG4r3OtGsVCTbwomysFMcN7fxJKUqI8n4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:27:43 -0000 Hi, since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, in the last two weeks I had two packages that refused to build. Now I managed to upgrade my whole package library to a consistent state. I upgraded the packages on my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and reboots as soon as I start Xorg. What is the next sh** to happen? Will this come to an end ever? Is that what FreeBSD will further evolve to? Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 22:57:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03FDD0EDFA for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from mailout4.ceti.pl (mailout3.ceti.pl [62.121.128.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828C818B6 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout4.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94B1C00DC552; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:48:40 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout1.ceti.pl Received: from mailout4.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.43]) by localhost (mailout1.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FRy4m-MkAgJq; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:48:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout4.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7835EC0552E34; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:48:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id 4996D960952; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:48:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:48:35 +0100 From: Tomasz Rola To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Bertram Scharpf , Tomasz Rola Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170315224835.GA29428@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:57:24 -0000 On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:22:21PM +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > Hi, > > since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second port rebuild freezes > the system. Besides that, in the last two weeks I had two packages > that refused to build. > > Now I managed to upgrade my whole package library to a consistent > state. I upgraded the packages on my desktop machine, and -- voila > -- it crashes and reboots as soon as I start Xorg. > > What is the next sh** to happen? Will this come to an end ever? Is > that what FreeBSD will further evolve to? I am not the person to help you (not enough knowledge), but I guess you would make it easier for someone else if you briefly said what hardware your "desktop machine" is - like, you know, cpu/ram, gfx card, motherboard, stuff like this. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com ** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 22:57:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3279D0EE44 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 154871944 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.8.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.129]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5CrX-1c0sXf2snv-00zYFz for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:57:36 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coHrM-00050n-BA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:57:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:57:36 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170315225736.GA19248@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Ed2W8aeX7QNJ+5S3WN7zxJEY0fwAINWVSy7pwGa5deAuyZ45ODH kYNw6fbUHrIDtwJ9QtJygovJGGcjueJfbjZFWz1vYz5yHCHA/yb8l13syMcnVG7zrpTN8X4 loaEmGCX6onMzkzxmdJhZ+7bQeUcGYw7y2LfM+b9r90yTeYpJWFWDU02A0P0kFRZ8dUo/oS zets1fSRvy5vVgIrw+HzQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZwylEjYEO6s=:CTeCnTmdX4C0/KVRZLWh1J gIrieNUx7jXWKfGtvoE+9F3NRPnWFYZQKUGG4Y+SCSrEO45qCSHS+rvy0F8V8uL2JfFbCCxb0 ZIgyZvFVNa0/AILGYz6KY1HI3w6HzVWIm0F8Ww0RR0JMZ6ieffRIaa7StH+uVCOnTNYOtv5yY om5v2OnCvbcV/YpPRgtG+MWNMGuzs+/45dryQ1rOcRXd5qZBVGXNO+sE2kCZw7BXoiCDKXEyq HlM+HUa0pLapQYpgmKj+3SJy3fwpsIdPhEgOPxoFjAX6yXw895PZWGKdg3RfYE90J6nyLsL5c 1CvUh7rGpdzCseRb81kk3WGLC0M9vMZHkjcoNE+79EQ/oZKEj0V7UoP+fovxJjdf9GawFSgoQ ucWylQqZ1n020JEKSqXbiRhr6CZzLYMdVbKGwTHaYC3XdeTxIr9xjwWwv/FOGK7b2HuZD72Z3 E2r+CotBx9gbL0Vrl2QH9WKu9rorcNbAWMrZq5Z1cUUR5Ge+qqdmb02aYZ1mLJv7kplGipdxc R7R+YjaYEZICF7rtEoRGs2f7hi4ghVf8a6HJJfJSCRUHdl1eQ/R8lEl97r0UVdgm4NLyexy87 uGrPNhd7pzjQ++aJyxpPH5bQhULDXCOEiM5X7z/i3TGofRo0ZPsfqAsfr5VaipWwt+/54JV++ Ua8NVWoWygocdgWkCVOoi9eN3q+WdWcP/plFEagSaR0QtGXZ/PI7zMh7VJfkp5BvISS8= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:57:39 -0000 On Wednesday, 15. Mar 2017, 23:22:21 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > Now I managed to upgrade my whole package library > to a consistent state. I upgraded the packages on > my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and > reboots as soon as I start Xorg. It doesn't even complete a "halt -p". That's the last straw. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 15 23:24:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7EBD0E705 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 42linoge@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf0-x22b.google.com (mail-pf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A05E119D1 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 42linoge@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v190so15341824pfb.1 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:24:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7mqH4Y8JHNMSCtDbx3Em1Nbi9l33d/kUvKaTir/1xrs=; b=jtVDHiuAOPNKDyey/ZXZ0Qd5dneMtW0tNOVdxqCrD29gWQTBpTXdKQs4yaE6KS2C5F oFtHJkjRlMp3a6fGNiJ5kieUW86vsE5/khFwJ9UCJKJKolE0f2oTDyghZGX9tD/qiKiS TaFreaZt8F4NWJZKzwcWpy1yVBIthBBfaK0rmg/MBIJRmMIo0GEO+KuLe91MvGtz28Zy EQ+G/bSCJm+4Fc2RHqaUQgUgNjKpisrKBVctwLr5aE4kttYOGaBU8DJtn8wCB6QFI4z/ BkWJxgp4YeL4cenM9S/J2D8g0rtDfRpcWf7Pg7+8Auzy4uHg+Wjr6CKI3ZoZc5ji/TqE 6e4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=7mqH4Y8JHNMSCtDbx3Em1Nbi9l33d/kUvKaTir/1xrs=; b=cR77t0ZzZHLuOFyQNmWE6AcHQUbnjlbpu9/iY1rPuLCb6Gc1Y5DPbGqUR9S9r0vG/A UMQD36tkzO8t6PV+Y6lYWsyepwcTNT2peVqgZs3l8cwCcvQC/MltZATXtYk9w/pgYHCd cN0QrovJI4fRvNSZYlQIqwsU1NUdz41XE7Xp92z3IoYYnoT5SF08DLwld+4C5PyFATln 3WgG4LbgiDjGoTWocr9RkroiTsA116ktKfI8ANo6QYQn32TdcfnbE3m0OX4bb8PMCNit a+OXIDmaMI3a1hod/NuMMgVyRND8oQ6ZT1Il/Y5XC0Vf0OGXeA16b1TJaCbxE3pp88mv i7ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3dTcDleag7VppGdNE//9WixehM6GTf2B7vc1NiDJWWXxeGAR4rbD4kq3WqlC++AQxbIoepiv4LmB7KXQ== X-Received: by 10.98.2.21 with SMTP id 21mr6726058pfc.93.1489620271054; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:24:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.131.24 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:24:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170315225736.GA19248@becker.bs.l> References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170315225736.GA19248@becker.bs.l> From: Carlos Gottberg <42linoge@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:24:31 -0000 It'd really be helpful to include as much information on both your hardware and software, including, maybe, modifications you've done. I'm currently running FreeBSD w/o any issues, both in a dedicated server and a workstation, and since the list isn't flooded and no official announcement has been issued, I'm guessing most people is too. On 3/15/17, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > On Wednesday, 15. Mar 2017, 23:22:21 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >> Now I managed to upgrade my whole package library >> to a consistent state. I upgraded the packages on >> my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and >> reboots as soon as I start Xorg. > > It doesn't even complete a "halt -p". > > That's the last straw. > > Bertram > > > -- > Bertram Scharpf > Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany > http://www.bertram-scharpf.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 00:18:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4A6D0E803 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 310CF1606 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id m27so76190139iti.0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:18:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dstwkh/kwFeldzVCh8LnQhLjNWNphjs8RsiGfRHGmJ4=; b=guzkMUmEVlgdaZRq6YfWbG3PB6/AJLetgSMJdsOn17prnC+B4iHaOXmFZFDIsVTz4B rjGM1AKRB5pP1+RgNVOBiMpn/TB7jApm7UIuEedVw7vJ0u/3oI5dz8B3SoCnZahC78j+ moQI/LpNwMker1MqCQWIUu6z43f2oTfAhZHVK77fqKcLcIEbVhHFVNKotZH3HYVTub29 jMDcbaW+LI5izvlkhUAWSYL+oGfjb1TIDwIi+PeKyisddtGibKRQW9hoDB96ElWPEhzj MEL/NgyYl1qgMDflwSZfIWen0XeSJhrjEtHHIk2PRsTYsRtmgEZIAmaPlSGzZEQYmWeO 6JlA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dstwkh/kwFeldzVCh8LnQhLjNWNphjs8RsiGfRHGmJ4=; b=BwUG43KqawXyvPBhbDXIAhXR2ZY7vtgR9f1Vt580RlAWrCTMDQ9a/QkVLuuUipKSAP EQYT1wcRMOsMpBETiKc2WP3lhVSORrMXiifi9hKhAUrLRa1f5TtX1Ht+288rNZ5PTAfo pjoCXO9aij/Q6a+QdJcpE5BFPZZ2+Vyibpi1ki2DtLVkaCoIg+k8TK73USdRiqGMCMvy bBEi3BnVXLa58hKYuLSKU4tO6OBK3Hs1OD+h3re6HCe6hjDQ8L8gMWRcLH6qbhkwbhD7 rb+9fWWY9fYTdGM62U11SF0kxat10EKqHBOI0jnOsJLxLvtVsFaw6oShpXxmChaUCjHA AkFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1l6Qbf2C//d3NLzEWVLcA8TLOFOIGis0VDQbLCvyQX7+3oFnlhO926KPIND1ntcQ== X-Received: by 10.36.181.3 with SMTP id v3mr5417462ite.25.1489623528591; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-74-141-88-74.neo.res.rr.com. [74.141.88.74]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 78sm888712ity.7.2017.03.15.17.18.47 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:18:48 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Pauly CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WIFI as access point References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:18:49 -0000 > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar > wrote: > > Dima Panov wrote: > > > Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Hello List; > > I have this wifi card > http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter > > > > I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this > wifi card > could only be used to connect to a router access point. > > If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be > configured > to function as an access point? > > > This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless Network > Adapter". > Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page > for driver. > > > > I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" > Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my > gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and > connect to it. But it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi > trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not end point. To me > this sounds like a network configuration problem on my Freebsd > gateway box. > > /root >ifconfig wlan0 > wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 0 > ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 > inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 > nd6 options=29 > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng > > status: running > ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid > 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 > regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED > deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 > scanvalid 60 > protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst > dtimperiod 1 -dfs > groups: wlan > > > > /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf > interface=wlan0 > debug=2 > ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd > ctrl_interface_group=wheel > ssid=FBSD_AP > wpa=2 > wpa_passphrase=test > wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK > wpa_pairwise=CCMP > > > /root >cat /etc/rc.conf > Snip > > gateway_enable="YES" > > ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem > ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch > > # Wifi in hostap mode > wlans_ath0="wlan0" > create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" > ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP > mode 11g" > hostapd_enable="YES" > > dhcpd_enable="YES" > dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" > dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic > dhcpd_flags="-q" > > > This general config has been working for many years, since release > 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a > gateway hostap. > > I do not understand what this is doing > fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. > > I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config which has this > security mode = wpa2 personal > encrytion = tkip or aes > network mode = BGN > > > Thanks for any help you can give me > > >Peter Pauly wrote: > You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on the WiFi interface. > Thanks I corrected that now. Now the win7 wifi stays connected but has no internet access. /root >ifconfig wlan0 list scan ADDR AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE TXSEQ RXSEQ CAPS FLAG 0c:ee:e6:ba:6f:26 1 1 54M 26.5 135 16 8288 EPS AQE RSN WME I also see a dhcp lease for the ip address that win7 wifi says it has. What can be the cause of no internet access on the wifi hostap? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 00:31:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02FED0EBDB for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x230.google.com (mail-yw0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C631C85 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v198so21785662ywc.2 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:31:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jARsp+dwLNo4092j0GCO02r4JJh/r3kq6am1EHIYn7I=; b=gghvwtXMGYW1CHZykrMyGzQPbsqnuAUxC+ChTrUj8f9YNsLAIZWbNraFMb7qOHyfjE 4q0bWP3lwJgyLmZhp+BDZBZuzCOU5iXALV5mbd8PiV8+UwM/llHD+KgxrNDZZyZ0W14Y drhroFrnNk0fm5Idh5M/7VXw/dh9fifUiUpqc2lR2FLo9xksfEYRcBh22iMhgSj/Zb68 37Pg+AhF07aWzy9mpm8Bo5aXOvq04A3DwyU5t7Z2zRInfvJEQWkUNl8SCTgfXc9WNuHt 1GIgqee0G8F7W6U3c+bLSlzru4ozZX5vk/Vu0P2jTCGVU0gFh1TSwgsgkoB03wwFUluJ 12rw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jARsp+dwLNo4092j0GCO02r4JJh/r3kq6am1EHIYn7I=; b=ccOer8kSmvnkJEImSF5aMJns3Fv2vtGLfuVFLrtMmZTkc7mWRU0jKhTbw8EfIaYK34 Sw3xRbCVLBRyqw+fcIcpnj6C3aeJZJU7ZSvBl6j37WyYDn0T8Pd7pcjUmIdgVoZyIZWu istqv3ALn2kN/sFEpYxCyV4s9JADyBb5Xf8zEUPDA5hbPkos9HdbC9cM1H/UK9zLBqud AH9B+EyyHsrlQeYn+Elvn24WEXdNyrWIQtZy1nxjOlcSLEo13bb8QwQgMOtzK1Tdl86+ Hvq6DOE8IRh6VwpvPwAc9gxYE02jMkpa3Abc3Yf1t1slnpb7dOmwrXlALN3BG6J5OmE8 VKqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0KteljPxBfqkljXMvgO9m0T/RAlt0tKJVBJohgbJeeUbTXKoGY3cprS1BimDq8EAGM7igMaLNVvWs7SQ== X-Received: by 10.37.230.67 with SMTP id d64mr583873ybh.117.1489624263461; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:31:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.217.85 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:31:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> From: Peter Pauly Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WIFI as access point To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:31:04 -0000 How are you routing packets between the two interfaces? On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar > luzar722@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Dima Panov wrote: >> >> >> Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >> Hello List; >> >> I have this wifi card >> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-exp >> ress-desktop-adapter >> > press-desktop-adapter> >> >> >> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this >> wifi card >> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >> >> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be >> configured >> to function as an access point? >> >> >> This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless >> Network >> Adapter". >> Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page >> for driver. >> >> >> >> I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" >> Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my >> gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and >> connect to it. But it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi >> trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not end point. To me >> this sounds like a network configuration problem on my Freebsd >> gateway box. >> >> /root >ifconfig wlan0 >> wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 >> mtu 0 >> ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >> inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 >> nd6 options=29 >> media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng >> >> status: running >> ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid >> 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >> regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED >> deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 >> scanvalid 60 >> protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst >> dtimperiod 1 -dfs >> groups: wlan >> >> >> >> /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf >> interface=wlan0 >> debug=2 >> ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd >> ctrl_interface_group=wheel >> ssid=FBSD_AP >> wpa=2 >> wpa_passphrase=test >> wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK >> wpa_pairwise=CCMP >> >> >> /root >cat /etc/rc.conf >> Snip >> >> gateway_enable="YES" >> >> ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem >> ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch >> >> # Wifi in hostap mode >> wlans_ath0="wlan0" >> create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" >> ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP >> mode 11g" >> hostapd_enable="YES" >> >> dhcpd_enable="YES" >> dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" >> dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic >> dhcpd_flags="-q" >> >> >> This general config has been working for many years, since release >> 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a >> gateway hostap. >> >> I do not understand what this is doing >> fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 >> >> I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. >> >> I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config which has this >> security mode = wpa2 personal >> encrytion = tkip or aes >> network mode = BGN >> >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me >> >> >> Peter Pauly wrote: >> You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on the WiFi interface. >> >> > Thanks I corrected that now. > > Now the win7 wifi stays connected but has no internet access. > > /root >ifconfig wlan0 list scan > ADDR AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE TXSEQ RXSEQ CAPS FLAG > 0c:ee:e6:ba:6f:26 1 1 54M 26.5 135 16 8288 EPS AQE RSN WME > > I also see a dhcp lease for the ip address that win7 wifi says it has. > > What can be the cause of no internet access on the wifi hostap? > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 00:36:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C89D0EE55 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22d.google.com (mail-wr0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C1851ECF for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id g10so21655756wrg.2 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:36:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oKxtewUoD1Zd8MdygnIB18AwC6GGFJUf2KCQseG6Nzo=; b=q5GTqt+/7RxGcAVLIbxdMA8WIARSoMZg+T1zdVIR2T0uUnUTdavF8TJ3MZN/c18/pr MiWpmLLm+hFwoK72rJYCVA6H5lT3YB5sWvxy2rzfibXrDTGXfS/TnKBdeBa/bkyHBJtS NwGMQu1uw2RUt3afDLVOWIQ86Td8hMbVPm9rMBCmf7HwCNdJ77kzqUAy/xIePrP1vHwh nM8SU5nsAWQgcqnZuLHDIk+A0YSam/lghf6178ohGeuA7Seh2oj3Nzof/s6TcpoZ3NXU cC36jvwhO2qbPP5ir9SD/WYgWllWWFi9aReQ9HsS+G40oTxTp+GUs+yn8KQg0iQrWnMK TTpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oKxtewUoD1Zd8MdygnIB18AwC6GGFJUf2KCQseG6Nzo=; b=Ox1+UGFwGNcYLxLqcl8Jtcqls+0etsqRY0HiFdoOzz2+Ia/9kAOFfR8SyrHrfRFo4t 94bpPwSgDWLLhnx2WGB+Ad5TsnoF3vGFhvzvwW9glIvw+VLhQp56EJ1AE7d+ofJhjAVU MAkmjtTsNKUXOwwqDv9JZj2CkQ2/b92nRrThBVsC/NqtPWX2dY/ndcUnZA2mw3QYPwiR VHiJ24MhQk363UsMieG/NhCGMC+UtT278eQdJW23+6S3iDJTIf7iQuKgfxfpCqQF1FZ6 Qy8q+7zh24uos55Netr2+7a0RajM6QfUJ55UkIMiliISL80yKLr+Fe7wSSEqURl8XKcK GDag== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2NRQlsMy3DNVpm+OZLUhOjNJ86t494/BRMzHMF7mHp5qWDJMV+Ch1MVqnbNofvwm27LJNZVHzZQBYKuA== X-Received: by 10.223.129.4 with SMTP id 4mr1086817wrm.4.1489624578692; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.148.35 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: gnupg1 and gnupg2 library dependencies To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:36:21 -0000 Hello, I've got a FreeBSD 10.3 system. Right now it has the base openssl and the port of openssl installed. This also has the gnupg1 installed, some ports needed it, also gnupg2. What i'd like to do is twofold: first uninstall gnupg1 and update any dependent ports so they use gnupg2. Secondly, use the port of openssl vs. the one in base as it's newer. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 00:36:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A07D0EE50 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x233.google.com (mail-yw0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95A6C1ECE for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x233.google.com with SMTP id o4so21914636ywd.3 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x3dPbvOHjM/h5gruwZZ5WBfldXBc9/PLpb6W6D44B6o=; b=sCbtzXm7M8XvzAwEu+OONnvaiM3dxvsEfoJ97REP8rYJl90k+S9KOwQxHGpX+izQ49 GfM8m+Uzyp0bvQlnaJJQSdk9YIR5GVBjBQmuqFjBBllieXR4rDRoLyDtWoNN67BhOUTA NtOjIBX2iKktBVQO8N16/Qzbw84g+yVoQZ4jF+fl5gLWEf7Wpk5lr11I4aIswVMVDVh6 gvoHvZKWpVNjPfZ2ddgGIGkgmMg0/ZeuQzcmwyy5Spq3z8QxsUd3ou5W4faZ0S060Lni PrKie0MZ6ktx2V3pL3n/gacVWFNDOD1Z/kruZ0WkNyOrOlUghTy+9RMz2mTUMyWQHobR RrUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x3dPbvOHjM/h5gruwZZ5WBfldXBc9/PLpb6W6D44B6o=; b=IlNZKWg//VOURAKBEOTInonHlBL1vbhhkG7jhUzwVSjfoOS0S+9gNj9eGS9JgWNF9o BghP5EVQDoWvwsrdM9WQe4DCaU62zu9wCAKUX9dXTHtHrGjzYQ9DvXWDpuTF9qxjGC8a ko3mt2x5kZFwMLCbBVwgMCcOZAIydQ/pl9uanZCulYg6BwWN6kp/bM+QfQmmK0cosHbR qodKup/o74JeD+TxMt28ip1ulPmX9GzNQP1O05eAQSbIw/gcBf05hCN7x7NniJQhATSc opyeztQGdHDuMHVNGc7z8UEiLbbuA2/B9qV/bevmtVpq8L8M0vQBeWiTAu+5DUeWj9jt pPFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2Hpr5mdSlxMoI8sHTw22pRJUWYDFWAi8SI/In2xhDzC3mO+vpOipeOxv3icX7DYJi9r9qBEHGwoRtFIA== X-Received: by 10.129.95.132 with SMTP id t126mr5015171ywb.344.1489624579673; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.217.85 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> From: Peter Pauly Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WIFI as access point To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:36:20 -0000 Nevermind - I see the: gateway_enable="YES" On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > How are you routing packets between the two interfaces? > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar >> > wrote: >>> >>> Dima Panov wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ernie Luzar wrote: >>> >>> Hello List; >>> >>> I have this wifi card >>> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-exp >>> ress-desktop-adapter >>> >> press-desktop-adapter> >>> >>> >>> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this >>> wifi card >>> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >>> >>> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be >>> configured >>> to function as an access point? >>> >>> >>> This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless >>> Network >>> Adapter". >>> Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page >>> for driver. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" >>> Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my >>> gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and >>> connect to it. But it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi >>> trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not end point. To me >>> this sounds like a network configuration problem on my Freebsd >>> gateway box. >>> >>> /root >ifconfig wlan0 >>> wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 >>> mtu 0 >>> ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >>> inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 >>> nd6 options=29 >>> media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng >>> >>> status: running >>> ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid >>> 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >>> regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED >>> deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 >>> scanvalid 60 >>> protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst >>> dtimperiod 1 -dfs >>> groups: wlan >>> >>> >>> >>> /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf >>> interface=wlan0 >>> debug=2 >>> ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd >>> ctrl_interface_group=wheel >>> ssid=FBSD_AP >>> wpa=2 >>> wpa_passphrase=test >>> wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK >>> wpa_pairwise=CCMP >>> >>> >>> /root >cat /etc/rc.conf >>> Snip >>> >>> gateway_enable="YES" >>> >>> ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem >>> ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch >>> >>> # Wifi in hostap mode >>> wlans_ath0="wlan0" >>> create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" >>> ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP >>> mode 11g" >>> hostapd_enable="YES" >>> >>> dhcpd_enable="YES" >>> dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" >>> dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic >>> dhcpd_flags="-q" >>> >>> >>> This general config has been working for many years, since release >>> 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a >>> gateway hostap. >>> >>> I do not understand what this is doing >>> fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>> >>> I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. >>> >>> I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config which has this >>> security mode = wpa2 personal >>> encrytion = tkip or aes >>> network mode = BGN >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any help you can give me >>> >>> >>> Peter Pauly wrote: >>> You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on the WiFi interface. >>> >>> >> Thanks I corrected that now. >> >> Now the win7 wifi stays connected but has no internet access. >> >> /root >ifconfig wlan0 list scan >> ADDR AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE TXSEQ RXSEQ CAPS FLAG >> 0c:ee:e6:ba:6f:26 1 1 54M 26.5 135 16 8288 EPS AQE RSN WME >> >> I also see a dhcp lease for the ip address that win7 wifi says it has. >> >> What can be the cause of no internet access on the wifi hostap? >> >> >> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 00:38:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD006D0C081 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com (mail-yw0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8962010DF for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ppauly@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v198so21861412ywc.2 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=X0EBmfHAsi7IZX0G3y8eDaPYbbeKfexGQOnuTj8Uwls=; b=NWe0WqHyZmoVcvHUpt8X55EaEP5X68S5KOQkNViY8B2OCNOY4YbSBATduhhDJ7UDMQ 7vf9al5m2JM1bwsKoqm0nXJ2+YFrBI1rxWZya9YuWF3ExHABnN16/URiRCXfrrE0F7QZ Mn38Q/7OT+sS0i4Y/GGmWkPLQfmb24J5d/gfQkHnt+0LjjjfASS4CeOu3SIIb7Svvah/ cw6bWeQlNW4RsVl/oKkPz0QyPNeXC6GG9FeRLm1pHOjkRSsVGyqQVmkIlwp5x+a1sp6+ ay9zU+9RLsx6f7TPbPu8g0X2OXijikGrV9O2+egKz6GpP4uf7GoP3NXNJWnOJCL4uwrK cFQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=X0EBmfHAsi7IZX0G3y8eDaPYbbeKfexGQOnuTj8Uwls=; b=X2virEVPYb4H35XAt3dlp46iHZVA5Bb+onljtOsP/eRZNRUoEzPfthbwyJNurrhIGI alZS7V14ZL3t8NbAnCBpv+fcJ/GP4z1TX6r0k+t7o9L6lhCHQpGIa6JNqkuFLDhSB15i 9e7KczJAgk2YDXcMJEt0ddVGiuWT1cbKVTqgQpezcRBiiJEZxMSsOaE9zTWbxNwbuweQ 7OKPdFyO+hvvKiPNQszMjrTQxdt2G/5rKOYMXm56Ip8JBCDvDGQ20eXhaBEuLfabvIg4 AtkaFvdVzf9xJoM/0BWqA/9zy0vu82C0BdgGo8ylC2if7XjTuM3t5aSlro/NjolSKWZJ aRgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0Ig3rYAHBCFystevdZr28qaCt/NmfHVg6k7EWw7ayUeob95ntin4Z+IpZtCzMz2qH9cIeYIv1/8wEelw== X-Received: by 10.13.207.68 with SMTP id r65mr4527142ywd.329.1489624703801; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.217.85 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> From: Peter Pauly Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:38:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WIFI as access point To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:38:24 -0000 Do you need: sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Nevermind - I see the: gateway_enable="YES" > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > >> How are you routing packets between the two interfaces? >> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Dima Panov wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Ernie Luzar wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello List; >>>> >>>> I have this wifi card >>>> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/pro >>>> ducts/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter >>>> >>> oducts/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter> >>>> >>>> >>>> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this >>>> wifi card >>>> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >>>> >>>> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be >>>> configured >>>> to function as an access point? >>>> >>>> >>>> This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless >>>> Network >>>> Adapter". >>>> Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page >>>> for driver. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" >>>> Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my >>>> gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and >>>> connect to it. But it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi >>>> trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not end point. To me >>>> this sounds like a network configuration problem on my Freebsd >>>> gateway box. >>>> >>>> /root >ifconfig wlan0 >>>> wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 >>>> mtu 0 >>>> ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >>>> inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 >>>> nd6 options=29 >>>> media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng >>>> >>>> status: running >>>> ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid >>>> 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >>>> regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED >>>> deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 >>>> scanvalid 60 >>>> protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst >>>> dtimperiod 1 -dfs >>>> groups: wlan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf >>>> interface=wlan0 >>>> debug=2 >>>> ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd >>>> ctrl_interface_group=wheel >>>> ssid=FBSD_AP >>>> wpa=2 >>>> wpa_passphrase=test >>>> wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK >>>> wpa_pairwise=CCMP >>>> >>>> >>>> /root >cat /etc/rc.conf >>>> Snip >>>> >>>> gateway_enable="YES" >>>> >>>> ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem >>>> ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch >>>> >>>> # Wifi in hostap mode >>>> wlans_ath0="wlan0" >>>> create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" >>>> ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP >>>> mode 11g" >>>> hostapd_enable="YES" >>>> >>>> dhcpd_enable="YES" >>>> dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" >>>> dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic >>>> dhcpd_flags="-q" >>>> >>>> >>>> This general config has been working for many years, since release >>>> 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a >>>> gateway hostap. >>>> >>>> I do not understand what this is doing >>>> fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>>> >>>> I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. >>>> >>>> I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config which has this >>>> security mode = wpa2 personal >>>> encrytion = tkip or aes >>>> network mode = BGN >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help you can give me >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter Pauly wrote: >>>> You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on the WiFi >>>> interface. >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks I corrected that now. >>> >>> Now the win7 wifi stays connected but has no internet access. >>> >>> /root >ifconfig wlan0 list scan >>> ADDR AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE TXSEQ RXSEQ CAPS FLAG >>> 0c:ee:e6:ba:6f:26 1 1 54M 26.5 135 16 8288 EPS AQE RSN WME >>> >>> I also see a dhcp lease for the ip address that win7 wifi says it has. >>> >>> What can be the cause of no internet access on the wifi hostap? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 00:49:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAAAD0C3E4 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1383915C3 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id g138so30813353itb.0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XRXm5BV6IYkCQ+vFXEQhgRN+iFRe/3U9Eqk47CWKHM4=; b=LcoM6GavyhcfNUP4WelaLvv7A3xokPOoMTWPju76oegmwDctPfoMK1Alkp5pTO3XCp MKG6vf4kDzUpWREDGtQnK1JTvQTK6PCS/u9Fkeov9ksCz3XpEzirHj/cZPxpt8V4EL1G oN96iRqZoS+TQDzDamybDBB/9DjFqlsIC6DK63Hniq1bjf3AEL6QFvzDvjBG7i5Xz1Qi 724EuccXYVSB7pLwnSqtPj8lvFT6GcJbqtAhpeS+qgOY7NFiDSB+ZLUGaEOvNSIIjEEM 0Jrsi1AOqOiHrxl1fqPLqiYeVNlkSssbM38RyP18DCVB+J4alAOhkUTtf5p+e2i21mpi frgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XRXm5BV6IYkCQ+vFXEQhgRN+iFRe/3U9Eqk47CWKHM4=; b=cGGR8p/EZ8rJhkMQ9REiezZfSpFa9PiQFo9owCYD5fQQN6zlSeOH0I7MwTIbuVJ76O +RGxgI4w3MkRtxjUBrdv7E5bpJOdfeTX7Pcbz5KQH7JiLvC5uRRIa0kqVNQP4GZcfzKu vzCvcvGKKa/tLpkuK7SbJNZVvgvL4a1QjmAbszpMDtQDd9yuLfi3fQB92ikG2GK6lrxd U6mWWATpheNN2XrZn7pIQCf6+jYfGd4BboUV6+JLfJN4N2VcifNe5o1tZDIsGTfEM/P3 j9L/VtjPyXrjAnqzeXYOhM6ImrDP9XA4RhiQ903rSSShxzBiJxixRT1tK1tQaM0Ek6Wt y+DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2gjyTI0FNofhSvQcvRgC1/LBxhgZ7b6aUqXDV9itpPsrncj6LkO6VWYTReWhimVw== X-Received: by 10.36.238.202 with SMTP id b193mr7616799iti.39.1489625344311; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-74-141-88-74.neo.res.rr.com. [74.141.88.74]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i96sm2234682iod.46.2017.03.15.17.49.03 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58C9E100.6000304@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:49:04 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Pauly CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WIFI as access point References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:49:05 -0000 Peter Pauly wrote: > Do you need: > > sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 gateway_enable="YES" sets net.inet.ip.forwarding to 1 > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Peter Pauly > wrote: > > Nevermind - I see the: gateway_enable="YES" > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Peter Pauly > wrote: > > How are you routing packets between the two interfaces? > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Ernie Luzar > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar > > >> > wrote: > > Dima Panov wrote: > > > Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Hello List; > > I have this wifi card > > http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter > > > > > > > I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 > box. On win7 this > wifi card > could only be used to connect to a router > access point. > > If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 > system can it be > configured > to function as an access point? > > > This card is fully support by ath driver as > "AR5418 Wireless Network > Adapter". > Copmlete examples with various AP setup > described in manual page > for driver. > > > > I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host > Access Points" > Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is > installed into my > gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can > see the ssid and > connect to it. But it can not gain public internet > access. Win7 wifi > trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not > end point. To me > this sounds like a network configuration problem on > my Freebsd > gateway box. > > /root >ifconfig wlan0 > wlan0: > flags=8843 > metric 0 mtu 0 > ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 > inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 > broadcast 10.0.10.255 > nd6 > options=29 > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet > autoselect mode 11ng > > status: running > ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) > bssid > 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 > regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode > WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED > deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM > 3:128-bit txpower 27 > scanvalid 60 > protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 > shortgi wme burst > dtimperiod 1 -dfs > groups: wlan > > > > /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf > interface=wlan0 > debug=2 > ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd > ctrl_interface_group=wheel > ssid=FBSD_AP > wpa=2 > wpa_passphrase=test > wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK > wpa_pairwise=CCMP > > > /root >cat /etc/rc.conf > Snip > > gateway_enable="YES" > > ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem > ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch > > # Wifi in hostap mode > wlans_ath0="wlan0" > create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" > ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask > 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP > mode 11g" > hostapd_enable="YES" > > dhcpd_enable="YES" > dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" > dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic > dhcpd_flags="-q" > > > This general config has been working for many years, > since release > 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card > being used as a > gateway hostap. > > I do not understand what this is doing > fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > I can not find any documentation on this as to it's > purpose. > > I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config > which has this > security mode = wpa2 personal > encrytion = tkip or aes > network mode = BGN > > > Thanks for any help you can give me > > > Peter Pauly wrote: > You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on > the WiFi interface. > > > Thanks I corrected that now. > > Now the win7 wifi stays connected but has no internet access. > > /root >ifconfig wlan0 list scan > ADDR AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE TXSEQ RXSEQ > CAPS FLAG > 0c:ee:e6:ba:6f:26 1 1 54M 26.5 135 16 8288 > EPS AQE RSN WME > > I also see a dhcp lease for the ip address that win7 wifi > says it has. > > What can be the cause of no internet access on the wifi hostap? > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 01:03:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA7ED0CCCB for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsalai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x231.google.com (mail-qt0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B40813C2 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsalai@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x231.google.com with SMTP id x35so26515333qtc.2 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=y4o0wBEyTLeDK9j4b2foz+JttuwTWi3QqQ5DQ2wO+c4=; b=fgOGqW1Q8ILsS1Z9Uz43BcsL/7nNEZnIyN7WosHD7bZbwrSmBFG2iVrR/dCcSpVSmp PfVYhNF/nTdx0Q2AuV86H67wjMUja5tmy1s2p2dAEEi4clohtQv2RWhRwAZONT8g9eZ9 VgUFAdSrcKZ12oOhgE/RQ308j0bsMuTcM7P/zpxWZRPUMvXNRTSJEj2BO5jjoQbvumzS xi0RF5KnwGodJuxuaJA56cfCPa5YI+3RDf7L0Qdwt3TMh3/eWSnewgaoGAnHUSVqs+FI 8oVI8uDEwKAt0SukMppeEzi6v1DtJyHULQBF9CS7adYkCH26pQlKk+XLAsK+7ZmpPY11 hbqw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=y4o0wBEyTLeDK9j4b2foz+JttuwTWi3QqQ5DQ2wO+c4=; b=iUGd/yipEilgrWRF5t4Qr21+zdgfbXfIY6E+tx2SXBb76Q1+qCdcZXDQF/Un3Vu2R3 JEWqva8PmfY/IqhLtVpuWlocw6nvBKNtP0ljH2o1jG/fNY5ei4uI+XWT2ZHLZBe45Cnv pHONNtzt6uFTfpHWEOTwm/GudXWXgphlOZdI8yWMrR100M0hJq2dKlsk/+0en14H0NAJ 5JwCjPY+6B8zGGtelq+73ms3MZMPqBIH13m72HZUDxhvCuQpu5s4R8rGq6bMYk7lKCK0 EjT9HbkIsQtFsDWqyh3jKbOG34SdMynh9maNK+5xaM7ZEeHtIx3JQ/Dih/IhjnfIZtfx J3cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H12lusl8bvMkrW1No6glWz0tH16OJDo5//QbHdl/wcXafkJbFiUm8CA+v7zPUHPqw== X-Received: by 10.200.46.151 with SMTP id h23mr3384305qta.239.1489626211355; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.6] (cpe-98-5-143-38.buffalo.res.rr.com. [98.5.143.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 44sm2548420qts.15.2017.03.15.18.03.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: texlive and Arduino do not show up in gnome-menu From: Brad Salai X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: <33488.128.135.52.6.1489601276.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:03:29 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1061F32D-9CD4-45A0-BB21-FCCD0600C49B@gmail.com> References: <9A36C317-5CFC-467C-9C20-93850159EEEB@gmail.com> <33488.128.135.52.6.1489601276.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:03:32 -0000 Valeri, That did it. I was trying to install from ports. Either I did it wrong or th= ere is something messed up in the port.=20 Thank you.=20 Brad Salai (585) 708-9235 Bsalai@gmail.com > On Mar 15, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Valeri Galtsev wr= ote: >=20 >> On Sat, March 11, 2017 10:50 am, Brad Salai wrote: >> Turns out that the problem with texlive was me. It installed all the > working parts but not any X11 parts. I installed TeXworks and all is > well. >> All that is left is to figure out where the ports system put Arduino. > Thanks to everyone for the help. >=20 > I have FreeBSD 10.3 on my laptop. I do have all arduino packages installed= > using pkg. In menus of MATE desktop environment (MATE is fork of GNOME) I > do have arduino: >=20 > Applications --> Programming --> Arduino >=20 > I hope, this helps. >=20 > Valeri >=20 >>=20 >> Brad Salai >> (585) 708-9235 >> Bsalai@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:00 AM, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote= : >>> Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-questions digest..." >>> Today's Topics: >>> 1. [iTunes-Connect]Someone has been logged into your account >>> from another country (AppleID) >>> 2. daily security run output (setuid) (James B. Byrne) >>> 3. Re: daily security run output (setuid) (Matthew Seaman) >>> 4. Re: daily security run output (setuid) (Lowell Gilbert) >>> 5. Reboot hangs on a FreeBSD system I'm building (Bob Willcox) 6. > Noob question (Brad Salai) >>> 7. Re: Noob question (Jack L.) >>> 8. Re: Libreoffice and Arduino do not show up in gnome-menu >>> (Sergei Akhmatdinov) >>> 9. Re: Noob question (Ken Moffat) >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:05:33 -0600 (CST) >>> From: AppleID >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: [iTunes-Connect]Someone has been logged into your account >>> from another country >>> Message-ID: <20170310140533.3A0A0A619BA@578509-app3.linx.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:42:42 -0500 >>> From: "James B. Byrne" >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: daily security run output (setuid) >>> Message-ID: >>> <0a9bbc9664cdeacc27dacadbd575ea1d.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=3Diso-8859-1 >>> Following a recent update we began to see this report: >>> Checking setuid files and devices: >>> setuid diffs: >>> --- /var/log/setuid.today 2017-01-18 03:01:01.000000000 -0500 > +++ /tmp/security.saU3IUZT 2017-03-08 03:01:01.006331628 -0500 > @@ -36,9 +36,9 @@ >>> . . . >>> - 70217 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Jan 12 00:09:17 2017 > /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>> . . . >>> + 30527 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Feb 25 00:04:40 2017 > /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>> pkg which /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>> /usr/local/bin/pkexec was installed by package polkit-0.113_3 >>> pkg info polkit-0.113_3 >>> polkit-0.113_3 >>> Name : polkit >>> Version : 0.113_3 >>> Installed on : Tue Mar 7 15:31:14 2017 EST >>> This was a legitimate update as far as I can see. I can see that the > mtime value has changed but why does the update not account for this > with the security system? >>> -- >>> *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** >>> Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail >>> Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail >>> James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca >>> Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca >>> 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 >>> Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 >>> Canada L8E 3C3 >>> -- >>> *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** >>> Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail >>> Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail >>> James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca >>> Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca >>> 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 >>> Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 >>> Canada L8E 3C3 >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:04:34 +0000 >>> From: Matthew Seaman >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: daily security run output (setuid) >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"windows-1252" >>>> On 2017/03/10 16:42, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > Following a recent update we began to see this report: >>>> Checking setuid files and devices: >>>> setuid diffs: >>>> --- /var/log/setuid.today 2017-01-18 03:01:01.000000000 -0500 > +++ /tmp/security.saU3IUZT 2017-03-08 03:01:01.006331628 -0500 > @@ -36,9 +36,9 @@ >>>> . . . >>>> - 70217 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Jan 12 00:09:17 2017 > /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>>> . . . >>>> + 30527 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22416 Feb 25 00:04:40 2017 > /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>>> pkg which /usr/local/bin/pkexec >>>> /usr/local/bin/pkexec was installed by package polkit-0.113_3 >>>> pkg info polkit-0.113_3 >>>> polkit-0.113_3 >>>> Name : polkit >>>> Version : 0.113_3 >>>> Installed on : Tue Mar 7 15:31:14 2017 EST >>>> This was a legitimate update as far as I can see. I can see that the > mtime value has changed but why does the update not account for this > with the security system? >>> The security system? That makes it sound *way* more sophisticated than > it really is. >>> All that the setuid daily script does is run find(1) to locate all of > the setuid files on the system, creates a sorted list, and then diffs > that against the previous day's list. It tells you when there have > been >>> any changes to setuid files. It doesn't say anything about whether > those changes are legitimate or not -- that's down to the (supposedly) > intelligent administrators who read the email reports. >>> The beauty of it is that it is so simple it is very hard to bamboozle. > In this case, since it is a file from a pkg that you can verify was > re-installed during the right timeframe then you can be pretty sure > that >>> nothing untoward is going on. Also running 'pkg check -s polkit' to > verify that none of the checksums on the package's files have changed > might provide additional peace of mind. >>> Cheers, >>> Matthew >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: signature.asc >>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>> Size: 972 bytes >>> Desc: OpenPGP digital signature >>> URL: >>> > ------------------------------ >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:11:57 -0500 >>> From: Lowell Gilbert >>> To: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" >>> >>> Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca >>> Subject: Re: daily security run output (setuid) >>> Message-ID: <44bmt9jbtu.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> >>> Content-Type: text/plain >>> "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" > writes: >>>> Following a recent update we began to see this report: >>>> Checking setuid files and devices: >>> [...] >>>> This was a legitimate update as far as I can see. I can see that the > mtime value has changed but why does the update not account for this > with the security system? >>> Because having "the security system" trust that the the port update was > initiated by an appropriately authorized user would make it too easy to > hide a security breach. >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:03:09 -0600 >>> From: Bob Willcox >>> To: questions list >>> Subject: Reboot hangs on a FreeBSD system I'm building >>> Message-ID: <20170310190308.GA29798@rancor.immure.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >>> I'm building a system to act as a fileserver for my network and things a= re >>> going reasonably well so far except that when I reboot it via the > reboot >>> command it gets to the point after it has successfully sync'd the > filesystem >>> caches and the just hangs there. Note that it will respond to pings > from >>> other systems on the network but keyboard activity is ignored. >>> Here's the uname output: >>> FreeBSD yoda.immure.com 11.0-STABLE FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE #1 r315001: Fri > Mar 10 08:38:20 CST 2017 >>> bob@yoda.immure.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/YODA amd64 >>> This is running on an Asus H170I-Pro motherboard and has a Samsung 960 > EVO M.2 >>> PCIe NVMe boot drive. The UEFI BIOS settings are all at their defaults. I= >>> planning to check the BIOS settings to see if changing any of them will > make a >>> difference. >>> Note that the root/boot drive is ZFS in case that matters. >>> -- >>> Bob Willcox | If a program is useful, it will be changed. >>> bob@immure.com | >>> Austin, TX | >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:51:35 -0500 >>> From: Brad Salai >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Noob question >>> Message-ID: <83FA4D74-AB47-45D8-A5D6-EB8892A47E4D@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >>> I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that > I >>> got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) I > got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I > tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed > successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out the > path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>> Brad >>> Brad Salai >>> (585) 708-9235 >>> Bsalai@gmail.com >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:11:45 -0800 >>> From: "Jack L." >>> To: Brad Salai >>> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: Noob question >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8 >>> You can run >>> pkg info --list-files packagename >>> and that will give you a list of where all the installed files are >>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Brad Salai wrote: > I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that > I got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) > I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I > tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed > successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out > the >>>> path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>>> Brad >>>> Brad Salai >>>> (585) 708-9235 >>>> Bsalai@gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:39:33 -0500 >>> From: Sergei Akhmatdinov >>> To: Brad Salai >>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: Libreoffice and Arduino do not show up in gnome-menu > Message-ID: <20170311013933.4qn72svt4nodgiut@silverbeast> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 07:51:35PM -0500, Brad Salai wrote: >>>> I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that > I got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) > I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I > tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed > successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out > the >>>> path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>>> Brad >>> $ which binary-name >>> That should get you the path to the installed binary. >>> For Libreoffice, that would be >>> $ which libreoffice >>> I don't use Gnome, but it probably reads your >>> /usr/local/share/applications directory. >>> Try adding .desktop files to it manually. Although it's suspicious that > they aren't there already or that Gnome wouldn't pick them up if they > are. >>> Also, just a piece of friendly advice: >>> Try to give more discriptive subject lines when posting to >>> the mailing list next time. It helps other people to help you. :) Cheers= , >>> -- >>> Sergei Akhmatdinov >>> My GPG public key: >>> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys AD800D99 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: signature.asc >>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>> Size: 833 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> > ------------------------------ >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 01:41:01 +0000 >>> From: Ken Moffat >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: Noob question >>> Message-ID: <20170311014101.GA18045@milliways.localdomain> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 >>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 07:51:35PM -0500, Brad Salai wrote: >>>> I've just finished a clean install of FreeBSD 11 on an HP desktop that > I got for free (I know that's not relevant but I'm telling everyone.) > I got Gnome running and installed Libre Office without issues. Then I > tried TeXlive as a package and Arduino as a port. Both completed > successfully, but neither showed up in Gnome and I can't figure out > the >>>> path to add to start them manually. Can anyone help? >>>> Brad >>> No idea about arduino, but texlive - at least in a full install - > contains a lot of different things. At a minimum, you probably want to > run one of the engines, e.g. using pdflatex on a .tex file to create a > text PDF. For more complex PDFs (adding things for images, or using > other programs for indexing or bibliographies) you will probably want > to create a Makefile. >>> For a basic PDF that, you open your term of choice (gnome-terminal, I > suppose), run 'which' to see if pdflatex (or one of the other engines, > e.g. lualatex, xelatex, or even context) is on your PATH. If it isn't, > you use find or locate to see where it is, and then add that directory > to your PATH. But I guess that installing the package will have fixed > that up. >>> Finally, you create your tex file in your preferred editor, and then > from your term you invoke the engine on the tex file, fix any errors > and repeat until you get a PDF, open that in your viewer (evince, for > gnome) and review, then fix any spelling or formatting errors and > repeat. >>> So, providing it is all on your PATH, you just go in and do it. If you > want a gui front-end, perhaps get TeXworks which appears to be a > package. In windows versions of texlive, TeXworks is included - but > not in 'nix versions : it has additional dependencies such as Qt. Happy > TeXing. >>> ?en >>> -- >>> `I shall take my mountains', said Lu-Tze. `The climate will be good for > them.' -- Small Gods >>> ------------------------------ >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> ------------------------------ >>> End of freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 666, Issue 6 >>> ************************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >=20 >=20 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 01:46:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAABD0C37F for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj001@rogers.com) Received: from nm21-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5F67106E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj001@rogers.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s2048; t=1489628592; bh=w1xp4LxdUl6eI3M777iBZ6F6/VScp+SmoGMNoI3AzFI=; h=Subject:References:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=d84zDqgkLUIl1WAVhh6PudHMFBi3uMNBjjdgBWXkK95naTAWuYDTOUJ1M4aoOjkju4SwFnOHT096/fWaFIJHV5ODBGnuPhFH1+nlUEDxoIhZRLjVDrDItK0S/H26wZgKXtObi3l6PWKvNNBGRWwc9+jyrpjddrwcn0IcLON8PCrYH3r77LQ5cw9aQkd4FKw5uuOG5F/3PfjP85gcq94n1/JGBksIPnxeQBvJADnAK/eofWGua69FTKfbOtqjz4a9bmqyhK8lZDqK7LPimSBVoCT+4iAZxDeWoWJMg8TvttPbYy1YzdI42/SO/By1KDdiwRkPelS6NB3KcW5rojPmxw== Received: from [216.39.60.183] by nm21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.208] by tm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 01:43:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 839567.85467.bm@smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: i64f91IVM1mkYWqUxd7PBka149vLoQBcEPEhM9CFHUJc0js C8sSBUJz8cL6mVceKseioTvB0HOB5aeGJ7HRC9vfU5rKuWNElsj_DFjfnC6t a9TW3LeZNNmElBRAGRBf3tI2RP9sN.CAKk137DRMm3HKIvKM4ASOpVqWsdvK 5bHMngiYceeVPQmmNbnhqp6_bAtMhZY2OjOqM3m1VdtJ5ALYz2ikTVia0KCi bcJNuHb.jl2pqzOzEotMPcJfOMyaH0slaB6yRNnF1cMcuHs8D8NcWC7zbx3L slpDzRiQrn5sNXRM.e9psA8BtGteUcyNLQef.a8Z302cQ2fZ37J0vNDCxcQD nRY1noMwENL4XX.Ry2RasDp39Tc20inRj4tj0ncAylLTa6qfbENbpKe58kZT 4M.kWSpHyDHSdHUNk032n26OvKgXjrXV9uzjXhRRCaByXG_FEQQa5kFvhwR2 GBBO3jCXrQsTgcj7qEfPDQciEgyz10vixtrlaQz8V9Jb0vE_UKxnRBY0Zzxj YfI5yyNg563PS6NuiwHE.obKozPP1R7.VelarGyj._GrNSTayF13XiUB1u1k - X-Yahoo-SMTP: TLQliKmswBBvVNxNe7d23d.rcRexF9Jldbuuisg- Subject: Fwd: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility References: <3057956a-0058-298c-4511-07522be5ff9f@rogers.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Jeays X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <3057956a-0058-298c-4511-07522be5ff9f@rogers.com> Message-ID: <15919c9e-2877-5970-25bf-f5973c56b828@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:43:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3057956a-0058-298c-4511-07522be5ff9f@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:46:45 -0000 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:27:12 -0400 From: Mike Jeays To: phnxcs_rep@lycos.com FreeBSD 3.4 is years out of date. I would suggest you download a copy of the latest release, or of TrueOS, which is an easy-to-install version that will give you a nicely-equipped desktop. There is no charge, of course. I think the only reason not to would be if you have a very slow or expensive interent connection. Either 3.4 or the latest TrueOS or FreeBSD should run well on your laptop - quite a bit better than Vista, anyway. Good luck! On 17-03-15 05:48 PM, phnxcs_rep@lycos.com wrote: > Hello, > > I have an older Toshiba laptop and a (store bought) copy of FreeBSD 3.4 > and wonder if these two would play well together. The software is dated > January 2000 and I bought the laptop new in November 2008. > > The Toshiba is running Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 2. I had > planned to use Whitecanyon's WipeDrive8 to clean the HD and from my > reading of the book (3rd edition) the four disks came with it seems I > should be able to remove the MBR, repartition, and, format with the > tools that came with FreeBSD. > > Toshiba Satellite A-205 S5880 > Intel Pentium Dual 1.86 GHz CPU (T2390) > 3 GB RAM > 32 Bit > 184 GB HD (NTFS) > CD/DVD > etc., stock out of the box for the rest. > > I guess the two questions are: > > 1. is the laptop to old for this version of FreeBSD (ver. 3.4) > 2. will the O.S. and the Toshiba work well enough together to make it > worth the effort. > > Thank you for your time, > Phnxcs_rep > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 03:26:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95ED6D0EBF9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from ns.mahan.org (23-24-207-145-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [23.24.207.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82F071AFB for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from Cone-of-Silence.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.mahan.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v2G322YC041871 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Subject: Re: WIFI as access point To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> From: Patrick Mahan Message-ID: <231315f7-a8b1-efeb-5e80-a2225b8e8f92@mahan.org> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:01:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58C9D9E8.5060604@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:26:43 -0000 On 3/15/17 5:18 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ernie Luzar > > wrote: >> >> Dima Panov wrote: >> >> >> Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >> Hello List; >> >> I have this wifi card >> >> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter >> >> >> >> >> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this >> wifi card >> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >> >> If I add this wifi card to my FreeBSD 11.0 system can it be >> configured >> to function as an access point? >> >> >> This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless Network >> Adapter". >> Copmlete examples with various AP setup described in manual page >> for driver. >> >> >> >> I have followed the handbook "30.3.6 Freebsd Host Access Points" >> Chapter in setting up this ath0 wifi card that is installed into my >> gateway box that has a LAN on it. A win7 laptop can see the ssid and >> connect to it. But it can not gain public internet access. Win7 wifi >> trouble shooting says no valid ip address and not end point. To me >> this sounds like a network configuration problem on my Freebsd >> gateway box. >> >> /root >ifconfig wlan0 >> wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 0 >> ether 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >> inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 >> nd6 options=29 >> media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11ng >> >> status: running >> ssid FBSD_AP channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g ht/40+) bssid >> 00:18:e7:d5:b3:84 >> regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED >> deftxkey 3 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 27 >> scanvalid 60 >> protmode CTS ampdulimit 64k ampdudensity 8 shortgi wme burst >> dtimperiod 1 -dfs >> groups: wlan >> >> >> >> /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf >> interface=wlan0 >> debug=2 >> ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd >> ctrl_interface_group=wheel >> ssid=FBSD_AP >> wpa=2 >> wpa_passphrase=test >> wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK >> wpa_pairwise=CCMP >> >> >> /root >cat /etc/rc.conf >> Snip >> >> gateway_enable="YES" >> >> ifconfig_em0="DHCP" # from cable modem >> ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # to LAN switch >> >> # Wifi in hostap mode >> wlans_ath0="wlan0" >> create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" >> ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP >> mode 11g" >> hostapd_enable="YES" >> >> dhcpd_enable="YES" >> dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" >> dhcpd_ifaces="vge0" # ASRock Server Lan Nic >> dhcpd_flags="-q" >> >> >> This general config has been working for many years, since release >> 3.0 of Freebsd. The only thing new is the wifi card being used as a >> gateway hostap. >> >> I do not understand what this is doing >> fconfig_wlan0="inet 10.0.10.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 >> >> I can not find any documentation on this as to it's purpose. >> >> I am trying to duplucate my cisco wifi router config which has this >> security mode = wpa2 personal >> encrytion = tkip or aes >> network mode = BGN >> >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me >> >> >> Peter Pauly wrote: >> You're serving DHCP on your LAN interface, but not on the WiFi interface. >> > > Thanks I corrected that now. > > Now the win7 wifi stays connected but has no internet access. > > /root >ifconfig wlan0 list scan > ADDR AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE TXSEQ RXSEQ CAPS FLAG > 0c:ee:e6:ba:6f:26 1 1 54M 26.5 135 16 8288 EPS AQE RSN WME > > I also see a dhcp lease for the ip address that win7 wifi says it has. > > What can be the cause of no internet access on the wifi hostap? > It depends. Are you setting the default gateway in the DHCP lease so the win7 box knows to forward to you? What is the default gateway on the FBSD box? How is the win7 resolving hostnames? Can you ping the em0 address from the win7 box? Is the em0 address a public or private address? If private, how are you going to route from the cable modem back to your WiFi subnet? This is all needed to determine why the win7 box cannot reach the internet. Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 04:25:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57BAD0ED21 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk (a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7009E1A68 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from woodcruft.co.uk ([81.187.49.114] helo=lime.woodcruft.co.uk) by a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coMy9-00074c-JF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:24:57 +0000 Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 876F523B2E; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:24:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:24:50 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170316042450.GA5861@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:25:00 -0000 On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:22:21PM +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > Hi, > > since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second > port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, > in the last two weeks I had two packages that > refused to build. Upgraded from what? If from a previous version and that version was running well, then it strongly suggests you fouled-up the upgrade process, doesn't it? > > Now I managed to upgrade my whole package library > to a consistent state. I upgraded the packages on > my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and > reboots as soon as I start Xorg. WTF is a "package library"? > What is the next sh** to happen? Will this come to > an end ever? Is that what FreeBSD will further > evolve to? Get a grip. Before pointing the finger at FreeBSD, remind yourself that you will then have four fingers pointing at yourself. Your best bet, in the circumstances of your inability to provide anything informative by way of logs, error messages and such-like, is to obliterate your probably borked installation. Then re-install the OS and restore your data from backup. If you fancy wasting a lot of time, then carry on sending angry missives to this list, telling all and sundry about how crap you consider FreeBSD to be. That *always* impresses the readership of this list and makes them want to help you. Anyway, your call. > > Bertram > Regards, -- Frank From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 05:52:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FA7D0EABC for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51DF81CAB for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.8.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.145]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MLxyW-1crhiS0Um4-007jJR for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:52:20 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coOKh-000654-MW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:52:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:52:19 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170316055219.GA23268@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170316042450.GA5861@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170316042450.GA5861@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:PBvUbthwP520k6BzxV4e+Kf/o6iDXYy9741SCBw/xY+5a0AcvIy EtC6FIQJi7J+kqE0Byn3D2oD2tFF0X7cOSZSbfi+92UuVXkR2C5H/sXYRCl97ayTHgvWE50 mBjEP64K7+bJtNsb+NYiRKRGfWPZJfJ+R3I5OOzqDk9TntDIs13aQxTMJsEDVLUGztRBRty bfpMscF25s2p6TrxEML9Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:2tGdurvvKMc=:zH9SYB0OXVFBQl5Q/RWqCv +/K1CPoP9aeaWAMteB6hxfHtsoA++i5zHY10lF4kshFI9C1BtkeRgQYBmFAplmY4t+JmiTU9A q7VKID763cHPwiseZgfEQLkSdvVNq+mGc0sApucCHXXOV6WqLEaFqjKyZYVcYYlly9pKc8D8W CjUpLNmN0VRy+W9dJnO277xE+9bltXtZUUzEw5w7CjUSE+AyV+61RS9/Kf7jXNrUwghVb8h+z Volh9lnYidqeWquR54DHqpYfzo7KS9key0omwPYtEzGw3MRNjwDCMVa5O8h53cWCmGaK06yoK GwVfKNOJucXrUUYTA73XZJIpyfQPQgc4UoIWbiT/ofyKOkaGpVtSFyJdp37kx5MpZ37IRzmKV V3u1S43o0VQxThTZ4ZgQiToLhXeGiysp9eSo33PtZQcVNg9l2uwIQLxNzkvmVhYcqVszIJnl5 VeS4LsTIoSJ0uMvQRpJbORfkTB5yCqhD8yvsftSLWpMQ1Wj2GxQL+ZU6ADnr/FtE2hFfPr5nq 2PEBsVfLLEk+2O0jdBCbUPkz9FdeMLnNiwBlfCynU3F32+CvPuGAA+4c+CBMsnElfsO0iqAcA FvEXaPjI1L4u4EHHUH+Nc18xuUW7HTC41ban8oW9wGthF0bZXy2T+futz4l7i/XTvmyR227b4 TVE6dN6fytutQSnFqPdVAYy1WxHxjQS9aj+Qlp3svTDJdbFKF3f/THHzp+t6Mh/QmB+4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:52:29 -0000 On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 04:24:50 +0000, Frank Shute wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:22:21PM +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second > > port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, > > in the last two weeks I had two packages that > > refused to build. > > Upgraded from what? 10.2 > If from a previous version and that version was running well, then it > strongly suggests you fouled-up the upgrade process, doesn't it? I'm upgrading for years and never had such severe issues. > > Now I managed to upgrade my whole package library > > to a consistent state. I upgraded the packages on > > my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and > > reboots as soon as I start Xorg. > > WTF is a "package library"? I meant repo, sorry. "pkg repo". > Before pointing the finger at FreeBSD, remind yourself that you will then > have four fingers pointing at yourself. I know. It's always the other ones fault. Do you know? Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 08:30:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B7BD0E56E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3959D118C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:29:34 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94FCC3CC5C; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:29:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2G8TW7A002133; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:29:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:29:32 +0100 From: Polytropon To: phnxcs_rep@lycos.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility Message-Id: <20170316092932.ac4327ec.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <05d1839f2efad7ead81ed4634a0f8d7c@lycos.com> References: <05d1839f2efad7ead81ed4634a0f8d7c@lycos.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with E5EF26A3579 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2287 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:30:07 -0000 On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:48:09 +0000, phnxcs_rep@lycos.com wrote: > I have an older Toshiba laptop and a (store bought) copy of FreeBSD 3.4 > and wonder if these two would play well together. The software is dated > January 2000 and I bought the laptop new in November 2008. In that case, it should even run a recent FreeBSD version. But be careful what application programs you install: current web browsers and other "bloatware" won't perform well on that machine, while a good selection of efficient programs might even turn it into a usable system (depends on what you want to use it for, but basically, most non-web things are easily possible). > The Toshiba is running Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 2. I had > planned to use Whitecanyon's WipeDrive8 to clean the HD and from my > reading of the book (3rd edition) the four disks came with it seems I > should be able to remove the MBR, repartition, and, format with the > tools that came with FreeBSD. You can use the installer (sysinstall) to remove anything from the disk in the first step of installation, there is no real need to prepare anything with 3rd party software. > Toshiba Satellite A-205 S5880 > Intel Pentium Dual 1.86 GHz CPU (T2390) > 3 GB RAM > 32 Bit > 184 GB HD (NTFS) > CD/DVD > etc., stock out of the box for the rest. Will definitely run recent FreeBSD. My Thinkpads aren't much better equipped either... > I guess the two questions are: > > 1. is the laptop to old for this version of FreeBSD (ver. 3.4) It's "too new" for FreeBSD 3.4. I think this system belongs into the era of FreeBSD 5... but as I said, there is no need to use such an old (and unsupported!) FreeBSD version. However, for educational purposes, it will surely work, but don't expect too much. ;-) > 2. will the O.S. and the Toshiba work well enough together to make it > worth the effort. Probably yes. Try to download a FreeSBIE 1.1 live system CD and boot with that. It runs a FreeBSD 5.x version, a GUI, many tools for testing the hardware, and additional application programs for "speed testing". No need to install anything, just boot the CD and see. Then move on to FreeBSD 10. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Besides that, > in the last two weeks I had two packages that > refused to build. This does sound like hardware problems to me. Yes, it does seem suspicious that it started when you upgraded to 11.0, but that can be a consequence of the extra activity required during an upgrade tipping marginal kit over the edge. Matthew --QgRtsnQUHwKPNA8vfCUDHJqLvdxN4jDOJ-- --IRXm6lcEnGI6N4RSnjkKfWUxDfep7v0aF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYylQBXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATrlUP/2ZtDCOSfg1WBVfjckd08lAA cU5gj2F3WHsIsPoWSjOp+zTY7HUJlEbOUFuyCW6obT9vp+q1CSPkFwHMS5saILv7 WPbhWYcs12270bORGZoWhrmfs3+srMoCv7FVJircDgyM73QXLnYt4v0z5Kg52iOx us2Yi4Dn0k3fif+q+xI2yIlJpfrnT9bhmv/cSa63CMiGCL7Y1BwCP5+ztmgpOSeM JS2u33PvaqKXgSeMzzZFw//ewDMaezrwtw2zn7IiurNU2fVM92evkIujM241KKMM sMAnNts99jYsMGwcfduK8x1TdJ0QLUQdQcQTyCvKUFk18RbIh+SVKTPcYSuP8ONQ q/Jqljh4/uHbDKfhrmdgS0X6znaZpEBfKTc6JWi+Z6WXMg6pQFwGLXKOBJrisX0X DjqhkUiQcFmSFhvpXMYakqrbS3mH5C5quF3vFv2AoiKGi/Gr6/20yK3QA0cSXFpl KTqd6Xlvpuhnhv86W6wWkOpvL/QhJ69egzCpr0szEUGj13FByIFnBzUelITN2Hap 2Ng3bKflyj5ME7OPD3YY/LSb6xKV8V9BBPGtXSNlrDwXKfZpByi877UDTrCQsZGi ew47TjMxHn1EqAcZQ7TNoo5eUaattXOsqPdCfk9aW63hoT6I7GeKPnMvbZJJ/Cv7 R+xmWOrhYOu/j7XzRMF2 =vInl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IRXm6lcEnGI6N4RSnjkKfWUxDfep7v0aF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 09:48:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32763D0D6B9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from queue01a.mail.zen.net.uk (queue01a.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82D71704 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from [212.23.1.3] (helo=smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk) by queue01a.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1coRYb-00064n-IR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:18:53 +0000 Received: from [82.71.56.121] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1coRYU-0008sS-Or; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:18:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] (helo=milibyte.co.uk) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1coRZ2-0000kP-B2; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:19:20 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Mike Jeays , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:19:20 +0000 Message-ID: <2006727.nbOxI63qbo@curlew.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (FreeBSD/11.0-RELEASE-p8; KDE/4.14.10; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <15919c9e-2877-5970-25bf-f5973c56b828@rogers.com> References: <3057956a-0058-298c-4511-07522be5ff9f@rogers.com> <15919c9e-2877-5970-25bf-f5973c56b828@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mike@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-Originating-smarthost01b-IP: [82.71.56.121] Feedback-ID: 82.71.56.121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:48:04 -0000 On Wednesday 15 Mar 2017 21:43:11 Mike Jeays wrote: > I would suggest you download a copy of > the latest release, or of TrueOS, which is an easy-to-install version > that will give you a nicely-equipped desktop. TrueOS only appears to be available for x64 hardware so wouldn't be appropriate for the OP's 32 bit machine. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 09:55:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E18D0D98B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay10.qsc.de (mailrelay10.qsc.de [212.99.163.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90C401B39 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay10.qsc.de; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:54:30 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA9FF3CBF9; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:54:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2G9sSD3002570; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:54:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:54:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mike Clarke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mike Jeays Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility Message-Id: <20170316105428.43415faa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2006727.nbOxI63qbo@curlew.lan> References: <3057956a-0058-298c-4511-07522be5ff9f@rogers.com> <15919c9e-2877-5970-25bf-f5973c56b828@rogers.com> <2006727.nbOxI63qbo@curlew.lan> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with 02CAC683BE3 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1849 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:55:06 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:19:20 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote: > On Wednesday 15 Mar 2017 21:43:11 Mike Jeays wrote: > > I would suggest you download a copy of > > the latest release, or of TrueOS, which is an easy-to-install > version > > that will give you a nicely-equipped desktop. > > TrueOS only appears to be available for x64 hardware so > wouldn't be appropriate for the OP's 32 bit machine. Furthermore, it's "too new" and probably doesn't perform that well compared to a manual selection and configuration of application software components. On the basis of a normal (current) FreeBSD installation, that machine should still be quite usable. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 10:10:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78986D0DF14 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x22c.google.com (mail-ot0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 376E21391 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id i1so49376571ota.3 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=HdQpqumy5hyFE1vVsbglFOTgufyOanG4ryG76joffDk=; b=HKwe6GvWoWN9zHMGGGQgHRkI6Zau2jpkpG1B1d8XNIzXvsUREKi2mf6+At4xOVclnN KO1B7trhtC/Gb6H4Aq9zV7WhibjnDGyln0dvl467eVg633zXOXg64IfKO91nbz4ogHq7 DCfPaIyQaiRoYcQaP6cDE5j0x0qnbjEeSyNaLbzpoHVvFOx6RHGwqMu63CEq/35A33tM ippHHleQ/FJDql73jpu+TLk/r2PByYvR6UlARKCtg5fgUBBNJ95sPCrOVaA561YzIqyo hv0AohyhBrUdA8LgroIsuoq6X5NkegiOGGyoZqeDp2jQnZy32Oz6NhGx9z3JTXzicA3H cO0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HdQpqumy5hyFE1vVsbglFOTgufyOanG4ryG76joffDk=; b=unbQaX5VljAQkwqOp/lbr03FG/0gTjAsp3ESnATJSLu+VyXLm4K3xiV2zV58m2kobe EqYIYb8EygjafEYAiBsT7r4o20pj+Ij4i2PmUVtySitXHjl3dW+dX4CCDcrKcOsAg5do oujHGU0We0rUxMgGNG/Hy5BDH4GToQZNasHANDG6HE6BUEAdyaoUbrAjsSaGmw0iqwH1 oLrqVzp1OFJK+buunUBv4MDc/MxESdYOsJWwOrer9rcqm5DKXKIzp/dAtZbkV2iNHL/6 QUHwRjw+xf3F7Zapz5+8xGRqPDhdm+/I9bauR1+OCyNpMSVJ1A3utEiGp8mOB+xIgI7g j5fg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H32U9KAQJ+I5kXqoY3zhhS4zkVStxOx6/y+evAnMGtL2PjsXtPf2uY62aBrm8ZPMbMgKrOv+Xvyqapcgg== X-Received: by 10.202.117.77 with SMTP id q74mr2263848oic.99.1489659021227; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:10:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.157.18.211 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 03:10:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> From: CeDeROM Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:10:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: K70EgrndtccyrM-_BsswHjxlBDI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:10:22 -0000 On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second > port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, > in the last two weeks I had two packages that > refused to build. In the first place, please run into single user then tun FSCK -F on all local partitions, I found UFS2 a but buggy when +SU is enabled, that would skip filesystem check on a dirty filesystem, causing problems you are mentioning.. If the filesystem is okay and you still have those problems, please find another spare disk, replace one you have, install old system and see if the problem persist. If so that would mean hardware failure (excluding disk problems). If not then you may find a bug it would be good to know about :-) Best regards :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 10:20:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7169DD0E469 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C133A1BD7 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v2GAKDGT064256; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:20:14 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:20:13 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Michael Sierchio cc: phnxcs_rep@lycos.com, Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20170316202016.O31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:20:40 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 667, Issue 4, Message: 10 On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:20:54 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, wrote: > > I have an older Toshiba laptop and a (store bought) copy of FreeBSD 3.4 > > and wonder if these two would play well together. The software is dated > > January 2000 and I bought the laptop new in November 2008. > > > > > Wrong question - that version is likely too old for your hardware. For the > love of all that is holy and good in the universe, use a > currently-supported version. 3.4 was EOL in 1999! Definitely! FreeBSD 10 should run fine on this machine. And I tend to disagree with one part of Polytropon's otherwise fine assessment; this should have no trouble at all on recent FreeBSD, I wouldn't bother with FreeSBIE. Seems FreeBSD 7.0 was out around when this machine was new: ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/amd64 Here's one good page I found of its specs: http://gadgetaz.com/Laptop/Toshiba_Satellite_A205-S5880--2339 > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img.xz On the OP's summary I was going to suggest the i386 version instead .. > > Toshiba Satellite A-205 S5880 > > Intel Pentium Dual 1.86 GHz CPU (T2390) > > 3 GB RAM > > 32 Bit > > 184 GB HD (NTFS) > > CD/DVD .. but you're right, Michael; the T2390 is 64 bit, dual core, non-HT. http://ark.intel.com/products/35153/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T2390-1M-Cache-1_86-GHz-533-MHz-FSB That aspect was rather confusing on the Toshiba website, because they shipped it with only 32-bit Vista and were being generally ambivalent about 64-bit for it. To the OP: I wouldn't download the .xz version unless you already have an xz decompresor. The plain memstick.ing is only ~760MB. In fact, as it has a DVD reader/burner, I'd tend to suggest the DVD version, which includes installing basic packages for xorg and KDE, to get you started with a graphical environment, eg the above URL or at: ftp://ftp2.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/10.3/ and chose the -memstick.ing or FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso I expect you could use its existing Vista to burn a DVD for it? According to the Toshiba specs PDF, it also has 'Atheros 802.11b/g wireless-LAN', which has a pretty good chance of working with 10.3. The best (and nowadays pretty cheap) upgrade you could do would be to replace the 1GB RAM in one slot with another 2GB chip, for 4GB RAM. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 10:30:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A391D0EB07 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay13.qsc.de (mailrelay13.qsc.de [212.99.187.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8542B1598 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay13.qsc.de; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:30:48 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DAB03CC75; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:30:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2GAUjK9002815; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:30:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:30:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ian Smith Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, phnxcs_rep@lycos.com Subject: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility Message-Id: <20170316113045.794dbe9b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170316202016.O31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20170316202016.O31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay13.qsc.de with C0244683459 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2196 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:30:57 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:20:13 +1100 (EST), Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 667, Issue 4, Message: 10 > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:20:54 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, wrote: > > > > I have an older Toshiba laptop and a (store bought) copy of FreeBSD 3.4 > > > and wonder if these two would play well together. The software is dated > > > January 2000 and I bought the laptop new in November 2008. > > > > > > > > Wrong question - that version is likely too old for your hardware. For the > > love of all that is holy and good in the universe, use a > > currently-supported version. 3.4 was EOL in 1999! > > Definitely! FreeBSD 10 should run fine on this machine. And I tend to > disagree with one part of Polytropon's otherwise fine assessment; this > should have no trouble at all on recent FreeBSD, I wouldn't bother with > FreeSBIE. I just suggested FreeSBIE as a means of checking _before_ installing with an OS version "of _that_ time"; it comes with GUI and sound and graphics and applications and what not, so its testing results are broader than what you can do with a FreeBSD 10 installation CD and "dmesg". :-) Otherwise, FreeBSD 10 is a good suggestion of what to run on the OS level. I have a similarly equipped Lenovo R61i that even runs Chromium and Firefox without much problems, so I'd even say _that_ kind of software will run fine, too. I didn't want to use Gnome or KDE on that particular machine, so I cannot suggest if those desktop environments will perform sufficiently well... > On the OP's summary I was going to suggest the i386 version instead .. > > > > Toshiba Satellite A-205 S5880 > > > Intel Pentium Dual 1.86 GHz CPU (T2390) > > > 3 GB RAM > > > 32 Bit > > > 184 GB HD (NTFS) > > > CD/DVD > > .. but you're right, Michael; the T2390 is 64 bit, dual core, non-HT. Both i386 and amd64 will work. Maybe i386 will run a little bit more performant, but amd64 will enable you to benefit from RAM expansion 4+ GB. > The best (and nowadays pretty cheap) upgrade you could do would be to > replace the 1GB RAM in one slot with another 2GB chip, for 4GB RAM. A good suggestion. And keep an eye on the memory usage, you'll be surprised that it doesn't get exhausted as quickly as one would assume. But there is _never_ anything wrong with having "more RAM than needed"; i386 will only waste a small percentage if you install 4 GB (as a certain part of the RAM is consumed for the GPU component anyway, I assume), so "no regret" pre- programmed. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 11:06:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4A7D0F78B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:06:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C85F1B8D for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v2GB6R17065862; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:06:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:06:27 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: phnxcs_rep@lycos.com cc: Michael Sierchio , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Toshiba A-205 S5880 laptop compatibility In-Reply-To: <20170316202016.O31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: <20170316215221.O31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20170316202016.O31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:06:41 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:20:13 +1100, Ian Smith wrote: > ftp://ftp2.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/10.3/ Oops, that's an Australian mirror. Just ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ should be fine, or use a mirror site more local to you if you prefer; see: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html cheers, Ian PS Polytropon, I have a Lenovo X200 2.4GHz Core2 Due with only 2GB RAM that (occasionally) runs Xorg & KDE4 with no memory stress to speak of, but of course a lightweight desktop environment would be .. lighter :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 14:52:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD2ED0FA13 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DF01991 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id C4CA6CB8CA1; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <30597.128.135.52.6.1489675933.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170316055219.GA23268@becker.bs.l> References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170316042450.GA5861@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> <20170316055219.GA23268@becker.bs.l> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:52:15 -0000 On Thu, March 16, 2017 12:52 am, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 04:24:50 +0000, Frank Shute wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:22:21PM +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >> > since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second >> > port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, >> > in the last two weeks I had two packages that >> > refused to build. >> Before pointing the finger at FreeBSD, remind yourself that you will >> then >> have four fingers pointing at yourself. > > I know. It's always the other ones fault. Do you know? It can be one or more of many things. Let me mention my own recent "pilot errors" (stealing William's name for it): 1. I did "freebsd-update upgrade -r ...". And left the box live like that for quite some time. Then I finally decided to indeed go through the whole upgrade game, and got the box messed-up as a result (with libraries everything bases on missing, like libc). 2. I had hardware (in my opinion) trouble mess things for me once. It must have been badblock (no, I don't have zfs on that box), which cut part of my filesystem tree. This can create big mess if you hit it during upgrade. And I join someone's opinion that yours may be hardware problem (you just push the box over the edge during massive build). As a "band-aid" solution, I would remove any parallel flags from build. But if I have this happening to one of my boxes I would do this. Take different machine that can permanently replace functions of this one. Clean build the system you need on it (be it 10.3, or 11.0). Migrate everything to this new machine from box in question. Once all works on replacement box and it is in production for 1-2 Months, wipe the original box, install new system on it and give the box real stress test to see if you can rule out hardware, then roll out this hardware into production (as something else). Alternatively, if you have small shop with no spare machines, back everything up, shut the machine down, pull original drive, and stick in new drive (do all minor hardware tricks like re-seating memory, extra cards etc), install system, and install all what machine had, and restore users and data from backup. Good luck! 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[74.141.88.74]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l188sm3156554ioa.35.2017.03.16.09.35.59 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58CABF15.3070800@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:36:37 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WIFI as access point References: <58C08444.8060600@gmail.com> <58C17FEB.1020905@FreeBSD.org> <58C96961.9010804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:36:01 -0000 >> >> Hello List; >> >> I have this wifi card >> http://www.dlink.com/al/sq/products/dwa-556-xtreme-n-pci-express-desktop-adapter >> >> I recovered it from a decommissioned win7 box. On win7 this wifi card >> could only be used to connect to a router access point. >> > This card is fully support by ath driver as "AR5418 Wireless Network > Adapter". Complete examples with various AP setup described in > manual page for the ath driver. > Thank you to all who replied. This is for the archives. I have successfully gotten this wifi card to work in "access point" mode. I am posting the solution for others who may have the same problem. /root >cat /etc/rc.conf Snip gateway_enable="YES" ifconfig_em0="DHCP" ifconfig_vge0="inet 10.0.10.2" # Wifi in hostapt mode wlans_ath0="wlan0" create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" ifconfig_wlan0="inet 10.200.200.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid FBSD_AP mode 11ng channel 2" hostapd_enable="YES" The IP address you assign here is not just something you guess at. It has to be the end point ip address defined in dhcp. Using "mode 11ng channel 2" stopped the "ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)" message. It also gaves a connection speed of 150 Mbps dhcpd_enable="YES" dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" dhcpd_ifaces="vge0 wlan0" dhcpd_flags="-q" The host dhcp server must be told to service both the wired LAN (vge0) and the wifi LAN (wlan0) interfaces. /root >cat /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf # This is the WIFI subnet declaration. # Max of 14 pc on WIFI network 10.200.200.1 - 10.200.200.14 # 10.200.200.1 wifi card ip address subnet 10.200.200.0 netmask 255.255.255.240 { range 10.200.200.2 10.200.200.14; option routers 10.200.200.1;} /root >cat /etc/hostapd.conf # Note1 There can not be any white space after wlan0 interface=wlan0 debug=2 ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd ctrl_interface_group=wheel ssid=FBSD_AP wpa=2 wpa_passphrase=test # Note2 "WPA-PSK" & "TKIP CCMP" are upper case letters wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK wpa_pairwise=TKIP CCMP Your Firewall has to be configured to perform NAT on the IP address block you defined in dhcp. Rebooting the system synced things together better than just restarting the network using /etc/rc.d/netif/restart. Rebooting made problems I was having just vanish. If you try to have another PC do a wifi connect at this point, it will get a connection with your Freebsd wifi access point, but no internet access. I was stuck at this point for a long time. I finally added a firewall rule to log all traffic on the wlan0 interface. That's when I saw the igmp multcast packets going to ip address 224.0.0.22. This behavior is not documented any where. Adding the following rule to my IPF firewall got my wifi network access point accepting client wifi connections and providing public internet access with 150Mbps connection speed. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 19:46:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D129BD0F3CA for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DA621E7E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [2.247.246.112] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cobLk-0005Nk-Rm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:17 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r314251 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v2GJkDBh001820 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v2GJkDbY001819 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:12 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 2.247.246.112 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:46:20 -0000 Hello, I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD for the size of the case): Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte sectors) Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only 1 Marketing-TB; I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at the beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it bootable with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system and restore the last dunp. Any ideas/comments matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 19:56:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C59BD0F820 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D51413C9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1CF2ECB8CA1; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Matthias Apitz" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:56:14 -0000 On Thu, March 16, 2017 2:46 pm, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD for > the size of the case): > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: > Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte > sectors) > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 > > Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only > 1 Marketing-TB; It may have to do with counting by power of 10 instead of power of 2 (Not exactly correct, but close). Which remind me an old joke: Do you know the difference between junior programmer and senior programmer? Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000 bytes. Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024 grams. Valeri > > I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big > NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at the > beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it bootable > with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system and restore > the last dunp. > > Any ideas/comments > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ > +49-176-38902045 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 20:12:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04656D0FC70 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ephaeton@gmx.net) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576451B73 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ephaeton@gmx.net) Received: from [10.0.0.2] ([194.118.106.252]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlDx4-1cFpQg28lK-00azKs for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:56 +0100 Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: "Martin S. Weber" Message-ID: <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9wNmSSFH/9YGtodNvnfIXDDSgXs8eYbc/n9GK2FnWXWbulwEPgX XeYFlgR5sZUh27AjBA9U09uRQkHrwY1podoojbfQZl7E9QJCUgWcHsowDo1IUNpAfG6lZck GB06OgoDfnswBJSsyEjtXmnQTOi2xSRUiJmt9NWy0479jYF6ofP4VZfIG9P0nGEaqA7hMKw ebAr9VwapftAzCmNmj4kw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Sk0fVub/af4=:gpd6JoRkS5tC/gOkv+IWbU GvqNFo4TVaqcJvQSghL/DoUtKZwvS9snmddS7QWpMjLbal/POfQtjVfKU6Wfqbq2eZfuSV2yM 5Cfq3njdAmYpqZTSvPEbNYRPDs79ti70zpJzLqiBt2B1EbhanYMxj3s9L/sEiE4EI/wFcmp4F 1JJbyr+xkexQTH205+S8Q7ODyzY2y2NcccKycokvNZxtZi4DtqMkWdHZQw2aKnFOJRXo8T0Mo PvcEmClmhY8QUYhoiZkRcFOz3AEFjey+ZwTuqnQh6GY3Vleun0xZjXM6BFO/d8rr5wum1G/rO SEiCtXQfl7AfXkxFjYNcFHiu8c0iCZLLEpORGIEiCP2+GTLRZVj7BME3bxhRTaNzsfwdnKA1y Fu5+WE4rEDsTq7NFH81yIbBAAbYRCDJsDf3ACz/KJfqvH2UY2CencloMA5NGqdvrt5lKCC1cq +dU4Y8//7uAShYodhNE6ebiA8zC3Nh0awWyODSll0JmzTFzSBZcCxxFs5aHmpeecBnZd7Zm2A L2sP6TFPK+Qjugi4Pu5l/Ae/COPPcuprqGhd1mmMP1dFtUfddyHiXvdRp10XHqfGFmJrMIm/3 FPzw0CI+tFkRFhUn2lu2gXX7qo+/jB7kZoUP9rFwE/AUasyTdK5mmRbmlOyBPwDWF6dmQgsOv 2I771HOLCQ34LoHMnehWl5XH3PoqXaZZ7s/LC3jM0I3bB/UOhCOlpSqaK+R+0XblUYXJVvFZz H/evB0Ok3MuJQ6sxMBULxzNfw2ELhVzr8rQ1FnHojpizJgPGTusMXSLNVX1M08WUSmGrArvaJ 0em/VWo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:12:05 -0000 On 03/16/17 20:56, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, March 16, 2017 2:46 pm, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> (...) >> Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte >> sectors) >> Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 >> >> Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only >> 1 Marketing-TB; > > It may have to do with counting by power of 10 instead of power of 2 (Not > exactly correct, but close). Which remind me an old joke: > > Do you know the difference between junior programmer and senior programmer? > > Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000 bytes. > > Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024 grams. > Well, there's a proper SI prefix for powers of two, which for your joke, Valeri, is "kibi" (2^10), and for Matthias is "Mibi", "Gibi" respectively "Tebi"; they are abbreviated as KiB, MiB, GiB and TiB, respectively (when applied to bytes). So the junior programmer is actually correct, and the senior programmer should know a kibigram has 1024 grams. It doesn't help that FreeBSD isn't using proper prefixes for printouts itself. Toshiba says this thing has 1 TB, which is 10^12 bytes, which is (10^12) / 512 512-byte units, or, in other words, 1953125000 512 byte units. Contrast that with the reported 1953525164 512 byte units the drive actually lets you access. Toshiba is clearly underselling the disk. /anal mode off From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 20:16:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D17D0FDF2 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 408CC1D28 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1489695184; bh=uK1Deru72y1wjH5IzC3hFcezyvpzcfCFKPRLxgEU26o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=DhM4QUwjcEfv09mX8Pfo1wd+2GSoVGg5v6A0BRAtZJPS+lDiLL3W0cydnewU91mWCCPJLkyjJ26cT+RQ+0We/RpQ4oFvLWemEioP3e3m46Goud08pvq7d0dl5AKTtiCvx9ytt6erHOk3qTCAFH6tKyWVVF2RNapTXT6pru6zuBTdK5pbRt7Vu2iOPEHWSwiLWXmyCOluDeG/Ynd9m6Gs8XVrJq3tPOTdPnz63DbipzXHvr3JZB7vGlLJIEDqOMgxUdrQq/xaQJp8NTovlmn58VX98PrnINDJZJkQU7cn20DAfwFFxi2ju3/sUX0Kyj49lfn5Akt9pLhJmw/AQ+owKA== Received: from [212.82.98.57] by nm40.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 20:13:04 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.112] by tm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 20:13:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp149.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 20:13:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 756682.33296.bm@smtp149.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: fRC_a8YVM1nPTNhw1hkArhptjDx22WOseO07vPH0zIcNSrm wqtlNak2htS8V8Y9geltwyR79U1JNTq1ZdFy0JfBx_VDIv6CkufoRqY99kyd ybeeEQe7rudcMDI8dS3JNggz4EmUWycqKZ0j4f6VrFBX4BZmicqxosQaBkXd uGl_s.RwDxIFrBzb5.n8VPUuvaBWl6_79kVyiv.QsPSozwT3MMNTQxwjHni3 Pcw8JRSYKMhRoJQuQzcqxfx8kcSJvacbYyDyqFR_PZIvbBSFRQa21dzSjkyx msaQsVWNkZRVdOetYGViacISgNsh6JUVncMSlTtWazWExRhXO2_IWy04In7Z D79rMerH6t9y_ZRM3m9eTwpNChf90GQotEy8J1fZkIMbAXXxP22gx9TzzLBI BIeffBCdw4qUBrSHNGcL9CjR12Ht2o_T11lMrG.sZbuGq9TyBtwOh6CvU4gj wXVuAHPpuLA1dlNd_Oowq5SiwVLvIal_WrXtWwmTOg6ObwRCYU2FMrOAkPxg .pHLRZv9JX24q7s5yHj7aw1VZso1_LpX4FpyKyaYVA5U2b99oMZhRtaPC6uk doSdqLo3SMnfN2rRXJDdioyzaKdIY1zP7MoELNoI- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:13:04 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170316211304.1c3481cc@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:16:29 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000 >bytes. > >Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024 >grams. When I programmed Commodore 64 Assembler a KB was 1024 B, nowadays I call it a KiB, to distinguish between 2^10 and 10^3, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte . I dislike this joke, since senior programmers usually are also senior electronics technicians, so while not necessarily aware of the kg unit, at least well aware of the k=E2=84=A6 unit :p. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 20:19:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D29D0F07E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ED11EB8 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5DC86CB8CA2; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39513.128.135.52.6.1489695571.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Martin S. Weber" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:19:32 -0000 On Thu, March 16, 2017 3:11 pm, Martin S. Weber wrote: > On 03/16/17 20:56, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> On Thu, March 16, 2017 2:46 pm, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> (...) >>> Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte >>> sectors) >>> Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 >>> >>> Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only >>> 1 Marketing-TB; >> >> It may have to do with counting by power of 10 instead of power of 2 >> (Not >> exactly correct, but close). Which remind me an old joke: >> >> Do you know the difference between junior programmer and senior >> programmer? >> >> Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000 >> bytes. >> >> Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024 >> grams. >> > > Well, there's a proper SI prefix for powers of two, which for your joke, > Valeri, is "kibi" (2^10), I know, I know. The joke was meant to be consumed orally, not in a written form. And it is so old that at the time I've heard it for the first time, there were no Ki- Mi- prefixes (and we didn't dream about Gi then). Or probably I was so ignorant then... Valeri > and for Matthias is "Mibi", "Gibi" > respectively "Tebi"; they are abbreviated as KiB, MiB, GiB and TiB, > respectively (when applied to bytes). So the junior programmer is > actually correct, and the senior programmer should know a kibigram has > 1024 grams. It doesn't help that FreeBSD isn't using proper prefixes > for printouts itself. > > Toshiba says this thing has 1 TB, which is 10^12 bytes, which is (10^12) > / 512 512-byte units, or, in other words, 1953125000 512 byte units. > Contrast that with the reported 1953525164 512 byte units the drive > actually lets you access. Toshiba is clearly underselling the disk. > > /anal mode off > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 20:29:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D603DD0F3B8 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61A51340 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 07641CB8C9A; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:29:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:29:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <15959.128.135.52.6.1489696154.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170316211304.1c3481cc@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170316211304.1c3481cc@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:29:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:29:15 -0000 On Thu, March 16, 2017 3:13 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000 >>bytes. >> >>Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024 >>grams. > > When I programmed Commodore 64 Assembler a KB was 1024 B, nowadays I > call it a KiB, to distinguish between 2^10 and 10^3, see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte . > > I dislike this joke, since senior programmers usually are also senior > electronics technicians, Right, I've heard the joke in a different language, so I had to make up some equivalent for "computer geek" and otherwise person. Sysadmin doesn't fit there too as,e.g. myself, I have two degrees: electical engineering and computer science, so megaohms, and kilovolts are kind of there. So, I don't know what to call the person so torn off the real life (as I heard the joke in metric based country, where "kilo-" is used everywhere). The best way to proof the joke didn't work is when one has to explain it ;-) Sorry for sour time everybody ;-( Valeri > so while not necessarily aware of the kg unit, > at least well aware of the kΩ unit :p. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 20:37:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D51D0F650 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm27-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E6F71771 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1489696641; bh=zUb4XoyyGkRUIQse94Pg6ASi26alMcJtyk1Nb6RgVYI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=qmUDsGUNaDMRK/M59mZ6hQ5MRpdYULBH5HUVxZv4piNQkm5WuHPuuX1poDGJtFuKZw90R/8fdjCTFL71h+TQoMEv20GrovDS5gqPB8OUKBRLofZVulvVMWqxarexfNU1UvHyVumvz/qWbf8zXyyBbPqMy8J/1BPYrCPZMfAp6yjaBlddpvTNk7cvXMjH2J5Fr6/B2uFWig8+9CAKb+KzFQazP8AoByFadjZ6LR2yroDdKI2wghZFJP1tfTrmtvw4sTCEl/u4l1YJASrUFUs/ZJeWF6Bp9K5KDPJhDoqg5/P2OjSTNZYL/G9MUVQTt3TRUiaA+nuRNwUFUJiIeeEk1w== Received: from [212.82.98.57] by nm27.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 20:37:21 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.92] by tm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 20:37:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp129.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2017 20:37:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 738437.38280.bm@smtp129.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mQzixmAVM1lXI4RtjPAg_FNUijztN6N8UFMyyHqbiLTKGVR I_J5oNRzz8Bqg_SiftvXJYmrExaixpxKZvslHvjCE0MSA7_Dow7VtsNdHNsV bilGmab3IGtnSOc0SymGlMn9BRJyxoloQcTTn3KcvllSksSeQeWn3XBqY_RF qWjriBN2O6mteRyc4HzMHbU37Otboj5DfTPlkUJrHpJUYjdIkInu4dZQpawF GogeUw.Sj52Nh18rCTLFnoBqDWsFE5.u_J5MgFX72SoTS7w0iDW01woTd..o z4UdZbTPEv076WWG7JSUzcLg5c7gHVkfXfk_FT9zoYCpWDJgO9fVrS5h4H_p b45BJ1.HZKKOr78HJqnMckdyUc1zyadv7xRCMbIw0QQTuWVGtzqGIc804Tre EvDByMZiHBKqWGWPRvuwD6ZnitjWBEa3QQRrDPRMgLnrUScZP2HXhvZu1nkR 1DB2p9qQ.umL5CemisL7hNqgXNHKao7PkYea1p0s_F9e_zlsrdoot36tgTJ_ _0dhZmN70sAUt1nRDq2zA9QMJIsz9ISz_5Qmen.7nwkpocUibVe77Qahqq6e 2wrsIqAUASHe8OPG9kc2mavD7d.VlLw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:37:22 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:37:30 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:53 +0100, Martin S. Weber wrote: >Toshiba is clearly underselling the disk. I don't think so, I suspect that some bytes are reserved to compensate borked memory locations. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | head -9 smartctl 6.5 2016-05-07 r4318 [x86_64-linux-4.9.13-rt12-1-rt-persianrug] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-16, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: TOSHIBA-TL100 Serial Number: Y69B703NKKEU LU WWN Device Id: 5 00080d c0061b7c8 Firmware Version: SBFZ10.3 User Capacity: 240,057,409,536 bytes [240 GB] GParted mentions 223.57 GiB * 1024 * 1024 = 234,430,136.32 bytes. MBR, file system entries might take some space, too. OTOH the complete capacity shouldn't shrink ;). Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 16 20:47:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C45D0F99B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ephaeton@gmx.net) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F7941D5C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ephaeton@gmx.net) Received: from [10.0.0.2] ([194.118.106.252]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lg0sd-1cPwjM3hLH-00pah7 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:47:36 +0100 Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> From: "Martin S. Weber" Message-ID: <3c607797-bdae-992e-2783-bb066b15e86d@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:47:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hme4DJj8IGLrcbPAr3gP99yVN75RWaWHkRWTq+idYqAZ2g9rLyb 185zujZq1ALK1Q717b8UcxaP1A3BvJDKI4hD+2jpOwZ1M8V9+p1n5EQ/PP4A9tEiL+mWk/0 aiP93iXEpdFlb/PHHc0Wb7oGuuxr4QiO3LiXpuxDD1m0vEjXpRDwNn+vEDoX+Jf40icJgd0 HOsf95hAxMkueu7LXfyAw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3jETJH8BuYE=:T1qAAd8/DCekB9b9p80NVN wn1tKoV2iywBKK4Tl8moO8jy23eU3ivA4tPP0YYKfmdF0adEj8wQd5c0dv3Rb9qE5fT9lCj9E U6gQLf7rO2Y9rBIqEtRfXxjz9v7DOyib56zAxWOlWc7JoIOkgDRSnjLbOmzNyfVp6bstwIhY4 MmmPmLgWmwmwOVkj9+05dKfHxZ3tASweCSarmyRB695olbMdlxCm9cOOzL1jmaDbIby2/JDGY zUo+ReCm6Rt/s58svdwd4dvJIFSaZfTFJrqQTTx7xY+yxlQGqRZBuU/0zwb18XnrECxKvljzj mAAp847v8cUHJIudNxtbbOE73U3ZiAYoG1xqYT5BEE8+qDrKSW/P226ADXqd7mrKo9gQAMweq /CqzvrVCMH2rV3RrQ2WW8Wsp4+9yHnHGjYOFChB9TK31NF3ORc6UhYA/g8xthLIYQ9XoU8Z0k job5WtbfT6yLDIMqkJWLyYtpUlav9yciil3cjTnEfPoM5mra40dqCTJszd1TxJ5OztkhxX+iz 2byup/UyDKjAiQXLKImBVBVzODsrpITyirr4O8GQaw8BCXnpgL4AO9jy/AkxQznjRSOiN5vQa BsCvhRv9gM7Fd/JwNHT8xunmn/IPcucNRkmMicJOBq+J0b9o5TlyDeY9gylKd3svkg22LE61j o+bApou4UkGkaTamyhympmvYBikSosCzwQFkctFL+qkwMeRPg5IUFCULH1eYTDLJ6kz/J9IEX U6svPUrZXc7dZ5j1PF4nLhnoRROu/UkGGC6VXSzRWI1KGFxdN7aO78HPVFeVtU4D7x6QyDyob nwXld7L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:47:45 -0000 On 03/16/17 21:37, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:53 +0100, Martin S. Weber wrote: >> Toshiba is clearly underselling the disk. > > I don't think so, I suspect that some bytes are reserved to compensate > borked memory locations. > > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | head -9 > smartctl 6.5 2016-05-07 r4318 > [x86_64-linux-4.9.13-rt12-1-rt-persianrug] (local build) Copyright (C) > 2002-16, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > Device Model: TOSHIBA-TL100 > Serial Number: Y69B703NKKEU > LU WWN Device Id: 5 00080d c0061b7c8 > Firmware Version: SBFZ10.3 > User Capacity: 240,057,409,536 bytes [240 GB] > > GParted mentions 223.57 GiB * 1024 * 1024 = 234,430,136.32 bytes. > MBR, file system entries might take some space, too. OTOH the complete > capacity shouldn't shrink ;). bc is your friend: 223.57*2^30 (actually GiB, not 1024*1024 which is MiB) 240056459591.68 and compare to your 240057409536 from above. The difference is slightly less than a MiB: scale=3 (240057409536 - 223.57*2^30)/2^20 .905 Can we stop this excursion now? AFAIK the extra bytes which are to be used as reserve aren't actually reported by the drive. 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USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170316215545.58ea99dd@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <39513.128.135.52.6.1489695571.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> <39513.128.135.52.6.1489695571.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:55:53 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:31 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >On Thu, March 16, 2017 3:11 pm, Martin S. Weber wrote: >> Well, there's a proper SI prefix for powers of two, which for your >> joke, Valeri, is "kibi" (2^10), =20 > >I know, I know. The joke was meant to be consumed orally, not in a >written form. And it is so old that at the time I've heard it for the >first time, there were no Ki- Mi- prefixes (and we didn't dream about >Gi then). Or probably I was so ignorant then... =46rom the Wiki link I posted: "The unit symbol for the kibibyte is KiB.[1] The unit was established by the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) in 1998,[2]"=20 I didn't verify this information, IIRC I programmed C64 Assembler around 10 years before 1998 ;). So the older people from Generation X and those who were born before Generation X, programmed Computers before KiB was born. Computers, such as the Sinclair QL and C64 established Computers to many consumers for the very first time, so the older people from Generation X were the first averaged consumers, who could get easily in contact with computers. Btw. I'm from 1966, IOW a child of the 80s. 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USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170316220548.1f26ac58@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <3c607797-bdae-992e-2783-bb066b15e86d@gmx.net> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> <3c607797-bdae-992e-2783-bb066b15e86d@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:09:11 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:47:33 +0100, Martin S. Weber wrote: >actually GiB, not 1024*1024 which is MiB Oops, right it's MiB, resp. the other way round, I accidently stopped at KiB, instead of bytes. :D From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 02:47:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D76D0FA0B for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 02:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x234.google.com (mail-ot0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9359D14A8 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 02:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x234.google.com with SMTP id i1so77563692ota.3 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OJ5z32VY/8ZiNz1X5n0Tsw0kGJHd+FYO8W31K35J5ug=; b=ZLqYuasS0rzF4w48buQPJusJY1s10Wfq8vLlkhAZjW95unAQV9ur+xDlZ4/LnsIii5 Z14GtMbbrPaTt0DfsdWM3Yw3ELTybVdDIW+9AEWmJlIEk7TfthlrxRQO2XfDDLV+A9wj dV0MTGdivu1OMgl9Gwng+DKIjBOKgsTaP0OvXDv74p1DCnQRoxOHyQ8U7i284NOxB90u 7uy5fISa1ziwsajCO+8wLlRmjCVupXyiLhrlBA0fvmGEKXu0XXPoaTTTKzI/knuUqPih TqcXBdvaqcAr7R7WEFJWJioqAlDU8OqYrciDMydQ46LhoKQU6ByK0H7PrqiuASoodTpr kXPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=OJ5z32VY/8ZiNz1X5n0Tsw0kGJHd+FYO8W31K35J5ug=; b=GoikfnEZdTt6cqWeXioFX+/IsndcuWvhBmUURPSQZpR3eL4FHKajClvewoqXHV7hzM UGgiZSDulNgrfFVp4fcorIRAZw5u0Ec+jZPCM1hzxwNcuWMtH4VHpRHNyklSW9lkTEWS CsC6URmSN8MfqIWs5yXtHcGCW9zSfUb2q3mFF2aBEDOqTgpHHv7E24sdC4rPLHKahGmu cM+fG90OgiWjMC7piuAxyeuDVomvVg2ERuCfM2UgitLpqYjyB91O35NhVDpcPVlC57Li Ms0tUwq2/4ks9T4lVsCVXMQ140dX1X/qTGWdLl3MXyqlUZv96pb3hfKYYAcfP35kmuuh WdVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H15ySqY/0xIclPUW9iSwYxs8EbLFKi4zcJWQ5uaRzJWoimnaG3hqof2tkXb0VpgrVgm/p9MX7WKZGVUIw== X-Received: by 10.202.69.130 with SMTP id s124mr6330162oia.17.1489718872706; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.1.69 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup To: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 02:47:53 -0000 On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD for > the size of the case): > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: > Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte > sectors) > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=3D0x2 > > Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only > 1 Marketing-TB; > > I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big > NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at the > beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it bootable > with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system and restore > the last dunp. > > Any ideas/comments > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea= .de/ =E2=98=8E > +49-176-38902045 > _______________________________________________ > > I am sorry to respond with respect to Linux . I think that FreeBSD will be a little similar . When NTFS external disk is used , it is not necessary to "mount" it : It is directly handled with LOSS of access right information of files . When a Linux file system is used , it is necessary to "mount" it for using it . You need to use it either as "root" or find a way to use it as a "user" . If it is bootable , with respect to my use of Fedora ( it may depend on version ) , booting is starting from external drive , but somewhere there is a "fixed" or "hard-coded" sda , etc. . When it is encountered , booting is switching to internal HDD . To prevent this switching , it is necessary to disconnect power of internal HDD units . The above issues are possible difficulties . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 05:32:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E45D10A25 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 05:32:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E53D217D0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 05:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v2H5WF95086582 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v2H5WEt0086579; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:32:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Matthias Apitz cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup In-Reply-To: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> Message-ID: References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:32:15 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 05:32:31 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD for > the size of the case): > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte sectors) > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 > > Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only > 1 Marketing-TB; > > I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big > NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at the > beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it bootable > with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system and restore > the last dunp. It works. I've used USB 3 memory sticks of 16GB and larger with success. In some versions of FreeBSD, the boot loader is really slow on USB. Once you get past the really... slow... spinner... it is very usable. USB 2 is not as good, but can be tolerable and might be good enough with the write speeds of an SSD. However, some USB 3 memory sticks run really hot when connected to a USB controller. For example, the Lexar 128GB JDS55 gets so hot that people have reported melting of the plastic case. I can verify that level of heat, but have not left it in use long enough for melting. My Lexar 32GB JDS75 has similar transfer speeds but does not get meltingly hot. (The memory units used above are actually gwibblybytes (GwB), 1012 7.9-bit bytes per kwibblybyte (KwB), 1011 KwB per mibblybyte (MwB), and 1010 MwB per gwibblybyte, or about fourteen thousandths short of a dwibblyliter (DwL).) 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USB SSD for backup Message-Id: <20170317100406.b8e3d390.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay14.qsc.de with 5B4F368342E X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.5616 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:05:07 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:37:22 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:53 +0100, Martin S. Weber wrote: > >Toshiba is clearly underselling the disk. > > I don't think so, I suspect that some bytes are reserved to compensate > borked memory locations. Few years ago, I read that SSDs that are sold with size n are actually produced as size 2 * n due to high failure rate during production... The 1000 vs. 1024 factor problem aside, it might also be that marketing TB are calculated with "Windows" file system overhead in mind (actually usable for user files vs. occupied disk space with FS data, metadata, directories, and actual files). > GParted mentions 223.57 GiB * 1024 * 1024 = 234,430,136.32 bytes. > MBR, file system entries might take some space, too. OTOH the complete > capacity shouldn't shrink ;). It's a _magical_ disk where data loss leads to more usable disk space for user files. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 09:17:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A3ED10954 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay14.qsc.de (mailrelay14.qsc.de [212.99.163.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61A021EF0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay14.qsc.de; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:17:08 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5D4F3CC3F; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:17:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2H9H5b3002060; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:17:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:17:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Cc: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-Id: <20170317101705.0c6fcd49.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay14.qsc.de with 34BCF68342E X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.8101 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:17:12 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:52 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD for > > the size of the case): > > > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: > > Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte > > sectors) > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 > > > > Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only > > 1 Marketing-TB; > > > > I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big > > NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at the > > beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it bootable > > with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system and restore > > the last dunp. > > > > Any ideas/comments > > > > matthias > > -- > > Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ > > +49-176-38902045 > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > I am sorry to respond with respect to Linux . I think that FreeBSD will be > a little similar . > > > When NTFS external disk is used , it is not necessary to "mount" it : It is > directly handled with LOSS of access right information of files . That doesn't seem to look correct. FreeBSD needs to mount the NTFS partition in order to access it. There are different ways to do this, though. Today FUSE is recommended. However, NTFS is not a good choice for making backups (data corruption and data loss, limited support among non-"Windows" systems etc.). For NTFS, ntfs-3g is the required component. A system-provided mount_ntfs binary (sufficient for r/o operations) does not exist anymore in recent FreeBSD versions. But ntfs-3g will support r/w operations and many NTFS features; see "man ntfs-3g" for details. Also check the port "ntfsprogs" for additional tools that might be useful when dealing with defective NTFS. As you correctly mentioned, access rights (and other kinds of file attributes) are a problem on NTFS and FAT (MSDOSFS). If you need to store such information, you'd better put your files inside a tar archive which will preserve all that information, and additionally deal with the problem of forbidden characters and file names that exist on NTFS and FAT (and "Windows" in general). > When a Linux file system is used , it is necessary to "mount" it for using > it . You need to use it either as "root" or find a way to use it as a > "user" . Mounting Linux file systems also works fine with FUSE, you just have to make sure you install the required FUSE modules, depending on _which_ kind of Linux file system (there are many!) you want to access. Mounting things as a non-root user requires some little configuration changes, explained here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/usb-disks.html Look for "vfs.usermount", device permissions and mountpoint (target directory) permissions. > If it is bootable , with respect to my use of Fedora ( it may depend on > version ) , booting is starting from external drive , but somewhere there > is a "fixed" or "hard-coded" sda , etc. . When it is encountered , booting > is switching to internal HDD . To prevent this switching , it is necessary > to disconnect power of internal HDD units . This can be avoided by using labels which are unique to the USB medium, so no more device names are involved in the boot process. > The above issues are possible difficulties . Which can be solved easily. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317110137.51d1f849@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170317100406.b8e3d390.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <92024f3c-2ab3-1741-97de-36455ca56b7e@gmx.net> <20170316213722.139560c8@archlinux.localdomain> <20170317100406.b8e3d390.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:01:42 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:04:06 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:37:22 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions >wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:53 +0100, Martin S. Weber wrote: >> >Toshiba is clearly underselling the disk. >> >> I don't think so, I suspect that some bytes are reserved to >> compensate borked memory locations. > >Few years ago, I read that SSDs that are sold with size n are >actually produced as size 2 * n due to high failure rate during >production... I doubt this, since the chips are selected, before used for an SSD. OTOH the German Wiki mentions that a vendor should have used off-spec chips. However, my guess about borked memory cells is a half-truth, correct seems to be that "over provisioning" is used to provide workspace for the controller. One task of the controller seemingly is to handle borked memory cells, but it seems to be used as a buffer to avoid unneeded write cycles and to organize the available space, to avoid performance issues, if less space is free on a SSD. -- On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:32:14 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >(The memory units used above are actually gwibblybytes (GwB), 1012 >7.9-bit bytes per kwibblybyte (KwB), 1011 KwB per mibblybyte (MwB), >and 1010 MwB per gwibblybyte, or about fourteen thousandths short of a >dwibblyliter (DwL).) "1 dwibblyliter" also named "1 Vogon" :p From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 10:35:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F00AD10DF3 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm4-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EC1015E0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1489746784; bh=AV7VkNLPocdqH/olCcMBOb37/DeIzgEsQ9Hxu3W+mhg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=oRJje8pAOaxj5tG0We0aZtJrMO4MBMftezsu9wnTg5ZC/RK43qLQ9oBtmeZZvFfIFPjV/24ySyeU61/IhuvKO08l11sI5M3Zu5KTX3jRwZ5BHFU5wg9z7JL9BN1Dy4KHztTabfdoYiKINw32ltydhDkawA5Jqduaz5Ev8fHjUhxc1Rtb9fReU5yPl4nAL23yzLqD/ovwkwWk0ZL5MyTfnY9HYG8Vry9K4oLjweM3Ny+38DLA9SNXJFFndiOTTBKJdL9hja/pPaNNzwFYeetBQx9yw+98Ge1d+TfZDxgviTt8HY6FgtPK4sOYZI3BE8zbTB08oqLRFeKP0EQOSlhpeQ== Received: from [212.82.98.52] by nm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:33:04 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.80] by tm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:33:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:33:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 385020.5036.bm@smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Misp2awVM1kWZD6TzlD7gxmxCh_EYTtoriim9XEbsFzkLHU hH5oA9jao.HeWByKNz9w6dVbUjiD3M4Q.LZ7bIYqE0hWL1E33XW2yKDt4MUr 4NzKAlR6Ce1KwrzIxZZevFKevSt8BhjxEoGX9LmXX1SfIW8FGjp.dCn0vzWE Q8nEQxsIJ2Dnl7yZvgnjVZajTcY4eRd6KmT6Ee8pGfHQeP4tqZV.Eo4.qLIJ xvZUToPZPPuTgRO.bjuF3a5SXCwv.wGGsMfaKA9FAMG1kOAFY6sF4jwADGs9 CJ8WJka0CLPusFsctElrHKCxeBa0qd5xoNItf_5IWeKiIMyd_qeARiIaO77p noONuroOV6e6g.I7F9xnzJt9QxOOsoatzMFkCimvxBJfBCqdG1PApKVThbrz NKZ9Hr7eH2Gb_cweGglbEmQ31AuMQwtnXC309YXKiMjv1qzKYh0JH5iIP3IX OEApA2j53_TqSjNg5cuNHYIx4UMrRS2ZN5ZxXrB_rBbBPr6tF51FQo2NOtlm wfBsnQYrOgjRI8nBKsWuin0rPDNjaycgQLnHhu4X1e3SNi_hrxYQ.htmU.oc AyrRCHlxq016pieoGROMaQ6nJDZ3IjQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:33:07 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317113307.2d3b290d@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170317101705.0c6fcd49.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <20170317101705.0c6fcd49.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:35:57 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:17:05 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:52 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> I am sorry to respond with respect to Linux . [snip] >> When NTFS external disk is used , it is not necessary to "mount" it >> [snip]=20 > >That doesn't seem to look correct. FreeBSD needs to mount the >NTFS partition in order to access it. On Linux you need to mount it as well ;). Each OS needs to mount a partition, before it could access it. A lot of desktop environments might auto-mount ntfs partitions by default, especially when using so called "user-friendly" Linux distributions. =46rom a "clean" Linux, without having something like gvfs installed and without an fstab or systemd thingy mounting the ntfs partition at startup: [root@archlinux ~]# parted -l | head -28 | tail -7 Disk /dev/sdb: 500GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags:=20 Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 32.3kB 22.0GB 22.0GB primary ntfs boot [root@archlinux ~]# mount | grep "/dev/sdb1 " [root@archlinux ~]# mkdir /tmp/foo [root@archlinux ~]# mount -wL xp /tmp/foo=20 [root@archlinux ~]# mount | grep "/dev/sdb1 " /dev/sdb1 on /tmp/foo type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=3D0,= group_id=3D0,allow_other,blksize=3D4096) As you can see, I need to mount it. If I plug in an USB stick or insert a DVD, I need to manually mount it by command line, too. Sure, there are mechanisms available that could auto-mount an USB stick as well as a DVD, I'm just not using such things. Under the hood "user-friendly" Linux distributions auto-mount. A lot of Linux users simply don't understand the OS they are using. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 10:44:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB2DD0B0E3 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 820951A49 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1489747339; bh=j6p634R+XzYkk9/0k3ZK0I/hDxxZSYz0CXF/nGqAPiw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=fpyvMtcR8kxOt6mA0zH3Y6/CvBxsiQ+5gM4z4ZC1LYc+g+itFA+jKy5urDIEx6A07uM6ti5U3cn3iSyPfKCTyAL8XF8cwc2LUQ4uBwA18MIWhdVFcct07vOPmUSm6LjilRX59UXlCW1yi78nmm1tPSQlkGIxdsikmmPjhp3T+OW10H2zVrO4MY7ec1d8EJfivBZequhp82xWpIcj4WrX8r/T29+Ie29eCpRaVtOK+is8gxz4QIbqKqVYG5PHPlu2hthB3DsXp4MryJfFKyhnMOOyNvpGEHpwdkess+qpe0YyhxAjG3t+rqvApVvuoZDLfwhyx0RxGOZ4qRHp5FrGKQ== Received: from [212.82.98.63] by nm20.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:42:19 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.84] by tm16.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:42:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp121.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:42:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 786302.1442.bm@smtp121.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vlNmpKQVM1nbyKKHB9neNkGCM37IwNebkj3Ug2xAs5U5_d. 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USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317114223.1fbf5b38@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170317113307.2d3b290d@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <20170317101705.0c6fcd49.freebsd@edvax.de> <20170317113307.2d3b290d@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:44:10 -0000 PS: JFTR this is an internal HDD: > [root@archlinux ~]# parted -l | head -28 | tail -7 > Disk /dev/sdb: 500GB > Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B > Partition Table: msdos > Disk Flags: > > Number Start End Size Type File system Flags > 1 32.3kB 22.0GB 22.0GB primary ntfs boot > [root@archlinux ~]# mount | grep "/dev/sdb1 " > [root@archlinux ~]# mkdir /tmp/foo > [root@archlinux ~]# mount -wL xp /tmp/foo > [root@archlinux ~]# mount | grep "/dev/sdb1 " > /dev/sdb1 on /tmp/foo type fuseblk > (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096) > >As you can see, I need to mount it. Anyway, I'm using external HDDs, as backup drives. Since no "user-friendly" mechanisms are installed, I need to mount what ever kind of FS is used by those external drives.The are treated in the same way as anything else, e.g. USB-sticks and DVDs. >If I plug in an USB stick or insert a DVD, I need to manually mount it >by command line, too. Sure, there are mechanisms available that could >auto-mount an USB stick as well as a DVD, I'm just not using such >things. Under the hood "user-friendly" Linux distributions auto-mount. >A lot of Linux users simply don't understand the OS they are using. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 12:30:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6599D0FEC1 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD57F1A3E for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dLk6tEH7fKSbdlv68CQ4GPGocI8jJboN66PjdonwtEk=; b=m14qlUtm/cumNoK7BE/VpSD45P +Pak+qVl2OhP4KK8iGkpG+eDok8YgrT/MxkMWi7y2kTg1t7O6JFWShtHO3VWaFvRW3/BcTgkxYLbQ vHXJVywCmYrkcSVplCo5gyrpn56lDbX5ExYgrpWjCnK2ZXPLsapU4bWinlbuM/3FHQQ4=; Received: from [114.125.83.110] (port=14478 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1cor1e-002SWZ-R1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 06:30:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:30:30 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Several crashes within a few days Message-ID: <20170317203030.2906176a@X220.alogt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:30:41 -0000 Hi, it seems to become a problem. Since I upgraded to 10.3-STABLE FreeBSD 10.3-STABLE #3 r314363: Thu Mar 2 I got several crashes with always the same messages in /var/log/messages. The system still seems to be running as I can shut it down but the GPU and with it the video signal is off. It seems that the GPU hangs several times but the system can recover most of the time. I do not remember to have seen this message before the last upgrade. I am current compiling a new kernel to see if this is already solved. Erich PS: /var/log/messages says Mar 17 12:32:29 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 12:32:29 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 12:33:13 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 12:46:42 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 000d0000, was 1a0d0000 Mar 17 13:22:49 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:intel_lvds_enable] *ERROR* timed out waiting for panel to power off Mar 17 13:22:57 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 13:22:57 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 13:26:12 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 13:55:30 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:intel_lvds_enable] *ERROR* timed out waiting for panel to power off Mar 17 14:11:50 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 000d0000, was 1a0d0000 Mar 17 14:24:26 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:intel_lvds_enable] *ERROR* timed out waiting for panel to power off Mar 17 14:55:29 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 14:55:29 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 14:56:21 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 15:06:37 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:intel_lvds_enable] *ERROR* timed out waiting for panel to power off Mar 17 15:35:16 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 000d0000, was 1a0d0000 Mar 17 15:35:37 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 15:35:37 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 15:35:37 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a000000, was 12060000 Mar 17 15:35:44 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 15:35:44 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 15:35:44 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a000000, was 12060000 Mar 17 15:36:18 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 1a000000 Mar 17 15:47:06 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 15:47:06 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 15:47:53 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 16:10:20 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 000d0000, was 1a0d0000 Mar 17 16:31:24 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 16:31:24 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 16:31:44 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 16:38:11 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 000d0000, was 1a0d0000 Mar 17 17:35:55 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:intel_lvds_enable] *ERROR* timed out waiting for panel to power off Mar 17 18:08:06 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 18:08:06 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 18:08:22 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 18:55:47 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:intel_lvds_enable] *ERROR* timed out waiting for panel to power off Mar 17 19:22:11 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 19:22:11 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 19:23:52 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a0d0000, was 12060000 Mar 17 19:36:52 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 19:36:52 X220 kernel: info: [drm] Enabling RC6 states: RC6 off, RC6p off, RC6pp off Mar 17 19:36:52 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid1231:gen6_sanitize_pm] *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS expected 1a000000, was 12060000 Mar 17 19:36:59 X220 kernel: error: [drm:pid12:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung Mar 17 19:37:03 X220 devd: notify_clients: send() failed; dropping unresponsive client Mar 17 19:37:42 X220 kernel: pid 21167 (vlc), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Mar 17 19:39:29 X220 kernel: pid 36033 (firefox), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) The systems stays then in this state until it is rebooted. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 13:07:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28288D10A36 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EC5F123C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v2HD6q8i018854; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 00:06:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 00:06:52 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Matthias Apitz cc: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20170317230124.V31244@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:07:06 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 667, Issue 6, Message: 5 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:12 +0100 Matthias Apitz wrote: > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD for > the size of the case): > > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F Hi Matthias, Can you give an URL to specs for this model? I had a quick hunt and was amazed how fast prices have come down for big SSDs, so I'm interested. > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers That's on a USB 2.0 port, right? For USB 3.0 it would say 400MB/s .. > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte sectors) > Mar 16 19:36:54 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 > > Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. only > 1 Marketing-TB; Yeah, it's been that way for a decade or two .. even smartctl reports in 10^x units, e.g. this is the '64GB' SSD that came with my Lenovo X200: root@x200:~ # smartctl -i /dev/ada0 | egrep 'Model|Capacity|Sector|Rotation|ATA' Device Model: SAMSUNG MMCRE64G8MPP-0VA User Capacity: 64,023,257,088 bytes [64.0 GB] Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical Rotation Rate: Solid State Device ATA Version is: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13/1532D revision 1 root@x200:~ # echo 'scale=3; 64023257088 / 1024^3' | bc 59.626 If you have smartmontools installed, I'd be interested in seeing a 'smartctl -Ai /dev/da0' for this device? Offlist if you prefer. > I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big > NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at the > beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it bootable > with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system and restore > the last dunp. Even 20GB would be 'small' on this; it could double as a spare system. If it were me I'd more likely add, say, 3 x ~310GiB partitions, but I'd be dumping a larger number of smaller FS, keeping several generations. cheers, Ian PS: there's been some fun - and some rather tedious - nonsense written on this thread, but if I were the judge, first prize must go to Warren: > (The memory units used above are actually gwibblybytes (GwB), 1012 > 7.9-bit bytes per kwibblybyte (KwB), 1011 KwB per mibblybyte (MwB), and > 1010 MwB per gwibblybyte, or about fourteen thousandths short of a > dwibblyliter (DwL).) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 15:22:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C66D100DF for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F3531B81 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from host-4-75.office.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 36A3510434 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/36A3510434; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170316211304.1c3481cc@archlinux.localdomain> <15959.128.135.52.6.1489696154.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <000a5cf9-36af-835f-d2f6-8dd3989260e8@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:22:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15959.128.135.52.6.1489696154.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MOKhjSRjiUa4DdU4TpbHxatAbRU25qlCT" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:22:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --MOKhjSRjiUa4DdU4TpbHxatAbRU25qlCT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="w7hEbOnCUVjncOd7QK4Cs42Vw55oojttu"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <000a5cf9-36af-835f-d2f6-8dd3989260e8@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170316211304.1c3481cc@archlinux.localdomain> <15959.128.135.52.6.1489696154.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <15959.128.135.52.6.1489696154.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> --w7hEbOnCUVjncOd7QK4Cs42Vw55oojttu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/16 20:29, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Thu, March 16, 2017 3:13 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrot= e: >> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000= >>> bytes. >>> >>> Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024= >>> grams. >> When I programmed Commodore 64 Assembler a KB was 1024 B, nowadays I >> call it a KiB, to distinguish between 2^10 and 10^3, see >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte . >> >> I dislike this joke, since senior programmers usually are also senior >> electronics technicians, > Right, I've heard the joke in a different language, so I had to make up= > some equivalent for "computer geek" and otherwise person. Sysadmin does= n't > fit there too as,e.g. myself, I have two degrees: electical engineering= > and computer science, so megaohms, and kilovolts are kind of there. So,= I > don't know what to call the person so torn off the real life (as I hear= d > the joke in metric based country, where "kilo-" is used everywhere). I, for one, welcome our new SI / NIST overlords. But then I started out as a scientist, and the fact the the SI prefixes (p n =B5 m 1 k M G P etc.) always indicate powers of 10^3 is engraved on my soul. For anyone unclear as to why this is a good idea, consider the statement: "we peaked at 1.1Gb/s transfer rate." That's computery stuff right? So it really means 1181116006.4b/s doesn't it? Nope. Bandwidth has always been measured in strict SI units -- mostly because it was physicists, electrical engineers and radio technicians got there first, and there's the Fourier relation between 'bits (samples) per second' and 'maximum signal frequency' that makes no sense at all if you start throwing powers of 2^10 around. (Google for 'Nyquist sampling theorem' if you're interested). Now work out how long it's going to take to transmit 10GB of data (assume packet overhead is already included...) at that rate. Easy enough (remember that 1B (byte) =3D 8b (bits) though.) Or did I mean 10Gi= B of data? It's this sort of confusion that leads to embarrassing mistakes like your Mars orbiter enjoying some unscheduled lithobraking[*]. And, for an encore, if anyone could bring me the head of what ever bright spark in Electricity generation thought that the bastard mongrel of a unit 'kWh' was a good idea, I'd be forever in your debt. It's a daft unit, when there is a perfectly acceptable and rigorous SI alternative which is even right around the same order of magnitude: the MegaJoule. 1 kWh is 3.6 MJ. Cheers, Matthew [*] OK, that was down to American Imperial vs SI units, but that is exactly the same sort of stupidity. --w7hEbOnCUVjncOd7QK4Cs42Vw55oojttu-- --MOKhjSRjiUa4DdU4TpbHxatAbRU25qlCT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYy/82XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnqMwQAIxQTOBoCVA3vBrWp3MS4Y0D a0uj+iG5UZCobtLcdruo4loCxCy3zfJcjaHfABQte2m0dPCpKSadkWMVAEzTFfTp Ole/2wNhTlor2s+TLD9Ux413fLe4xmUe6kyO4eOdfJr/CsmID0vHOvcHKqNODA+l N9wgai9iG+6WNIHhBmMDqSvaxA/bGlgSWgVtLSIGL9rqr607sHp10GZFbDeEH+FW l49MF2ULVL39yaY8gb+4zu5RzjTxD2KH+3qeYYtA+DOogh1PGZsbVVQLMmPNDR+s QidfRHyPXeVoo6ZQOpTbMa8E4i/+cdHpk9cehGsd7/EsiJuJJQW4GmE9QqfdfBle ncknOMt73t/QAN5ZMKJAoWtE+GEwVfUbghnikwrVw2Sk9XX/4QBFwd5cGmK63Zu2 Ts3YGBJILzg3Y0g/egaGB9pi/9sP9x6bdby3XujDi8wIWzX/Uyl6sTMDdocZJosK oEB0RWSxXQHjmZgOn7tsm0mUkMDhBpip/aJ3oJWlgsPNFbkdrzIBK15Zs9TGWdhu Q53zxCV3Wz/w1DbxUUEWV1WqWkPmGcIT6s1sWocRbPpy+5TAYz9+QKC0BuC3uL21 49S3/EWuPLo1kNYs0qhP31DTDr1fCLq8himnO2BkbgXeTpVKrpaWuBvuRF+6zLPh oZVQPJ0e2zPXz18k0Y4V =sieo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MOKhjSRjiUa4DdU4TpbHxatAbRU25qlCT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 15:25:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0B4D1020A for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:25:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 252A61D35 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.117.6] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cotkx-0004xf-9t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:25:31 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r314251 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v2HFPTgo003138 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:25:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v2HFPSxO003137 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:25:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:25:28 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317152528.GA3072@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.117.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:25:40 -0000 El día jueves, marzo 16, 2017 a las 11:32:14p. m. -0600, Warren Block escribió: > It works. I've used USB 3 memory sticks of 16GB and larger with > success. In some versions of FreeBSD, the boot loader is really slow on > USB. Once you get past the really... slow... spinner... it is very > usable. USB 2 is not as good, but can be tolerable and might be > good enough with the write speeds of an SSD. > > However, some USB 3 memory sticks run really hot when connected to a USB > controller. For example, the Lexar 128GB JDS55 gets so hot that people > have reported melting of the plastic case. I can verify that level of > heat, but have not left it in use long enough for melting. My Lexar > 32GB JDS75 has similar transfer speeds but does not get meltingly hot. I had not much interest in participate in the discussion about GiB, etc. Meanwhile I did the following (all based on FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64): # gpart create -s gpt da0 gpart: geom 'da0': File exists # gpart destroy -F da0 da0 destroyed # gpart create -s gpt da0 da0 created # gpart add -t freebsd-boot -s 512k -a4k -l ssdboot da0 da0p1 added # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i1 da0 partcode written to da0p1 bootcode written to da0 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l ssdrootfs -b 1m -s 16g da0 da0p2 added # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -l ssdswap -a 1m -s 2g da0 da0p3 added # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l ssdbackupfs -a 1m da0 da0p4 added # newfs -U -t /dev/gpt/ssdrootfs # newfs -U -t /dev/gpt/ssdbackupfs (re/ -t see below) # gpart set -a active da0 active set on da0 # gpart show -l da0 => 40 1953525088 da0 GPT (932G) 40 1024 1 ssdboot (512K) 1064 984 - free - (492K) 2048 33554432 2 ssdrootfs (16G) 33556480 4194304 3 ssdswap (2.0G) 37750784 1915772928 4 ssdbackupfs (914G) 1953523712 1416 - free - (708K) # mount /dev/gpt/ssdrootfs /mnt # cd /usr/src # make installworld DESTDIR=/mnt # make installkernel DESTDIR=/mnt # make distrib-dirs DESTDIR=/mnt # make distribution DESTDIR=/mnt # cp /etc/rc.conf /mnt/etc # cp -p /etc/c720.kbd /mnt/etc # cp -p /etc/sysctl.conf /mnt/etc # cp -p /boot/loader.conf /mnt/boot/ # cp -p /boot/device.hints /mnt/boot/ # cat > /mnt/etc/fstab < Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8182DD1031B for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.schultz@astradatagroup.com) Received: from smtpauth.net4india.com (smtpauth.net4india.com [202.71.131.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955FA1E1D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.schultz@astradatagroup.com) Received: from [106.51.24.131] (helo=desktopPC) by smtpauth.net4india.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.72 #1) id 1cotlo-0002sc-A8 by authid with login for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:56:24 +0530 From: "Mike Schultz" To: Subject: Potential Clients of Plastics Industry Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:56:16 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdKfMst2CTpLpK6fRPGszFXXiX7G1Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Auth-By: mike.schultz@astradatagroup.com X-Auth-By-Port: 587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:21 -0000 Hi, I was researching your company website .I figured it'd be worth leaving a note. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 15:41:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7863DD108D1 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D5819A0; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 9A9EACB8C9C; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <26458.128.135.52.6.1489765307.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <000a5cf9-36af-835f-d2f6-8dd3989260e8@FreeBSD.org> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <33953.128.135.52.6.1489694167.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170316211304.1c3481cc@archlinux.localdomain> <15959.128.135.52.6.1489696154.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <000a5cf9-36af-835f-d2f6-8dd3989260e8@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Matthew Seaman" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:41:49 -0000 On Fri, March 17, 2017 10:22 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2017/03/16 20:29, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Thu, March 16, 2017 3:13 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:56:07 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>>> Junior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilobyte is exactly 1000 >>>> bytes. >>>> >>>> Senior programmer faithfully thinks that one kilogram is exactly 1024 >>>> grams. > >>> When I programmed Commodore 64 Assembler a KB was 1024 B, nowadays I >>> call it a KiB, to distinguish between 2^10 and 10^3, see >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte . >>> >>> I dislike this joke, since senior programmers usually are also senior >>> electronics technicians, > >> Right, I've heard the joke in a different language, so I had to make up >> some equivalent for "computer geek" and otherwise person. Sysadmin >> doesn't >> fit there too as,e.g. myself, I have two degrees: electical engineering >> and computer science, so megaohms, and kilovolts are kind of there. So, >> I >> don't know what to call the person so torn off the real life (as I heard >> the joke in metric based country, where "kilo-" is used everywhere). > > I, for one, welcome our new SI / NIST overlords. > > But then I started out as a scientist, and the fact the the SI prefixes > (p n µ m 1 k M G P etc.) always indicate powers of 10^3 is engraved on > my soul. I spent quite a bit of my life as scientist either... But I was always "computer guy" either. And incidentally, according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte byte (8 but chunk of information) was deliberalety spelled with the "y" to avoid transformation into bit... But I like how it sounds. As, my hunch is they had that sort of humor by naming it byte which sounds exactly as bite: as much of it as you can bite off the pie - or off the information flow - to digest it in one go. Incidentally, does anybody still remember the name for half of the byte? Yes, nibble! Also mentioned in the same wikipedia article. It never mentions the fun I find in naming of byte and nibble. You nibble it twice and you get as much as with one bite ;-) Valeri > > For anyone unclear as to why this is a good idea, consider the > statement: "we peaked at 1.1Gb/s transfer rate." That's computery stuff > right? So it really means 1181116006.4b/s doesn't it? > > Nope. Bandwidth has always been measured in strict SI units -- mostly > because it was physicists, electrical engineers and radio technicians > got there first, and there's the Fourier relation between 'bits > (samples) per second' and 'maximum signal frequency' that makes no sense > at all if you start throwing powers of 2^10 around. (Google for > 'Nyquist sampling theorem' if you're interested). > > Now work out how long it's going to take to transmit 10GB of data > (assume packet overhead is already included...) at that rate. Easy > enough (remember that 1B (byte) = 8b (bits) though.) Or did I mean 10GiB > of data? > > It's this sort of confusion that leads to embarrassing mistakes like > your Mars orbiter enjoying some unscheduled lithobraking[*]. > > And, for an encore, if anyone could bring me the head of what ever > bright spark in Electricity generation thought that the bastard mongrel > of a unit 'kWh' was a good idea, I'd be forever in your debt. It's a > daft unit, when there is a perfectly acceptable and rigorous SI > alternative which is even right around the same order of magnitude: the > MegaJoule. 1 kWh is 3.6 MJ. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > [*] OK, that was down to American Imperial vs SI units, but that is > exactly the same sort of stupidity. > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 16:49:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E59CD1080D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x241.google.com (mail-wr0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A64871BBC for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x241.google.com with SMTP id u48so10251764wrc.1 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T7YvE9pxp6YbZgbMXUOfYOPuabHzHh+TLp9lT0dgqt4=; b=pElJ91AQc4TQhnWOVnKFEUYaZY/28X6H8WfXoFmZ3eUQ36dpzHAGt8QjhBWt3VJA9W US7bfyxl1ur5GPMDOHZyF2KGjLmcIKL+SMtQeLQdwmiXCz1WjuykjAeM759K9c6k/4WO ibT6jHBjnpybzDVy7uehb4WUfPx5+bIDkrNUeNbBSw2B5LbaMFiMlBZgoDMECC2CnaGl CqEca30IVEswLxQsW7/0cY8iUxY3A0za2KeKkk6JS/wzPQBEK1Ijo115+ysYjYIsQf7e 6BzINElTO+6UaQJisvC79Evsa9KMYKR0mAt0HuHU7TByQ4OWBX9/KfxCqJ4D+6Kvp84W GYoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T7YvE9pxp6YbZgbMXUOfYOPuabHzHh+TLp9lT0dgqt4=; b=fcxMndpWmUlJsse4ox6LOPRaOihzehMrjP1rJmYyuqw11O+vfvfzDIbPnoMHGVmGYo I7f4afl6cV1atoD/dOcQPyKZplglpV7qmsb7sRwMfD66kLDlyBEdv4DTMbF18pDyg4rt KnP2U42tjU/hqfFI0FTqEtdN/kG/YOW1PIxbDvusY1gvgGghlaSN/dcwO6D/8xHhiVTT Pho6++y8zP3f5MysRutD+HuuzU+gClj9DMjjKkvwZbpC9wcJ6BmcpL7V2B2NysYVxxpv OYfKKBYa96ptqxZA5lTydjS+xVUvWBp5Bm7Juz9Td62laK9/HArDiEqbZKRR/ntoqtHr 5Qeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H05aQioKhzUidu6NHjvBIDnT/EEhvox6T1lJSuUxgH6ge2oToaaxFNTsMzPnGS8sQ== X-Received: by 10.223.182.133 with SMTP id j5mr15559172wre.19.1489769343673; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i133sm3257920wmg.26.2017.03.17.09.49.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:48:59 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317164859.533e5834@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:49:07 -0000 On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:12 +0100 Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD > for the size of the case): > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers That looks like you're USB 2.0. If it really is an SSD it should be able to read at about 10 times that. > Ofc it has not the promised 1 TB volume, just only 953869 MB, i.e. > only 1 Marketing-TB; It's more of an engineering thing. The misuse of SI multipliers is an abomination that's usually been avoided, except where it's very convenient, and that's mainly for RAM. > I'm thinking in re-partitioning the disk (which is actual only one big > NTFS slice) with gpart(8), install even a kernel into a small FS at > the beginning and keep the rest as a big UFS for backups. Having it > bootable with a system could be handy if one has to rescue a system > and restore the last dunp. I wouldn't, you can run into annoying problems with the BIOS booting the wrong drive. You can make a bootable thumbdrive or live CD/DVD for emergencies. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 17:07:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A81DD10222 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3CFA1CF0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.117.6] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1covLn-000599-Nr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:07:39 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r314251 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v2HH7ctN004163 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:07:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v2HH7cXp004162 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:07:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:07:38 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317170738.GA4095@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <20170317164859.533e5834@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20170317164859.533e5834@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.117.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:07:48 -0000 El día viernes, marzo 17, 2017 a las 04:48:59p. m. +0000, RW via freebsd-questions escribió: > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:46:12 +0100 > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have acquired a small and flat USB 3.0 external disk (must be SSD > > for the size of the case): > > > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > > That looks like you're USB 2.0. If it really is an SSD it should be able > to read at about 10 times that. I plug'ed it in into the USB 2.0 connector; now in the USB 3.0: Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 (Invalid command operation code) Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 400.000MB/s transfers Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte sectors) Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 Aus "Nie wieder Krieg!" wurde "Nie wieder Krieg ohne Deutschlands Truppen" The "No wars anymore!" changed now to "No wars anymore without German battle groups!" El "¡Nunca jamás guerra!" ha cambiado a "¡Nunca jamás guerra sin tropas alemanas!" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 18:30:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725BDD10E00 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35FAB12B9 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id B722E200B1 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.116]) by vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7302007A for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5E9440007 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:14 +0200 (EET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Heikki Lindholm Subject: eject not working Message-ID: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:30:34 -0000 Hi, eject says: $ eject /dev/cd0 eject: Device not configured Kind of irksome because there's no eject button that could be reached on the DVD drive without taking something apart. Is there an alternative? I think this happens only when the drive is empty. Eject works on Linux as expected. (FreeBSD 11 / eject-1.5_4) Regards, Heikki Lindholm From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 19:18:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF48D10D6F for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfelix@sympatico.ca) Received: from torfep04.bell.net (simcoe209srvr.owm.bell.net [184.150.200.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "InterMail Test Certificate", Issuer "Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA5701048 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfelix@sympatico.ca) Received: from bell.net torfep01 184.150.200.158 by torfep01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20170317191132.ETDE15349.torfep01.bell.net@torspm01.bell.net> for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:11:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (really [70.26.225.155]) by torspm01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20170317191132.CSGM4115.torspm01.bell.net@[192.168.0.102]> for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:11:32 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: daniel Verreault Subject: brasero Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:11:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=TOiqcxta c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=L064WDfFatMwFM/UhaF3UA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=6Iz7jQTuP9IA:10 a=QNzrKRpPTt05PmLwIloA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6Cv0mVgkW8EA:10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:18:52 -0000 i have freebsd 11 and brasero do not see my writer From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 19:26:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A3BD10338 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f440::d144:5b3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AE3416CE for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pool-72-74-34-8.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.34.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75BAE3F589 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:19 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: What's the correct mailing list for networking/firewall stuff? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:26:31 -0000 I have some intermediate-level issues re: configuring a firewall and whether I'm supposed to be blocking some stuff or not. FreeBSD has about a billion mailing lists, which one is correct/active for these types of questions? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 19:29:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF2AD10456 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E076017FD for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pool-72-74-34-8.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.34.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D5B53F52F for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58CC38FA.2040903@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:28:58 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the correct mailing list for networking/firewall stuff? References: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:29:01 -0000 > I have some intermediate-level issues re: configuring a firewall and > whether I'm supposed to be blocking some stuff or not. FreeBSD has about > a billion mailing lists, which one is correct/active for these types of > questions? Oh, I'm also open to not-bsd-specific lists as well if anyone knows of one, since my questions aren't specific to the software I'm using. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 19:41:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B14D10A18 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) Received: from mailrelay119.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay119.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "relay.skynet.be", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C2C11F3E for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:41:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2CzDwAlO8xY/0nD8VFdHAEBBAEBCgEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?1FBEIEajmSQZykBlyaGHAQCAoMAQxUBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUWAQU6HCMQCw4KCSU?= =?us-ascii?q?PKh4GE4oEtH6KSAEBAQEBAQQBAQEBJIs9ijkFnEmSNXZ6AY9Hk1M1IoEEOSwIh?= =?us-ascii?q?xk/NYlXAQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2CzDwAlO8xY/0nD8VFdHAEBBAEBCgEBg1FBEIEajmSQZyk?= =?us-ascii?q?BlyaGHAQCAoMAQxUBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUWAQU6HCMQCw4KCSUPKh4GE4oEtH6KS?= =?us-ascii?q?AEBAQEBAQQBAQEBJIs9ijkFnEmSNXZ6AY9Hk1M1IoEEOSwIhxk/NYlXAQEB?= Received: from 73.195-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.241.195.73]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2017 20:39:56 +0100 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2HJduKt022253; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:39:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:39:55 +0100 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Heikki Lindholm Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: eject not working Message-ID: <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> References: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:41:11 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:13 +0200 Heikki Lindholm wrote: > Hi, > > eject says: > $ eject /dev/cd0 > eject: Device not configured > > Kind of irksome because there's no eject button that could be reached on > the DVD drive without taking something apart. Is there an alternative? I > think this happens only when the drive is empty. Eject works on Linux as > expected. > > (FreeBSD 11 / eject-1.5_4) Try "cdcontrol eject". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 19:50:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4910FD10F16 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EE15161F for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.2.3]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.129]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MRyOs-1ceXWw0PX8-00THIX for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:50:44 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coxtb-0001P9-N6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:50:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:50:43 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:7ntVj1tu3aL7y5nJC+fbrqaNRkap8YpG42l7IM7UtR0ab2h+Ygc at+33Pggvff5cbN/N7RmzZxshe2mmUSphS6nWPDC7EtDMbhY9xBJKQ+FRy0mfP1Ed3APJTa KU1qZpqRJyiqn1erM/7dCr2eZFximKqKpw1FJzGSBc93fsdL6wsbRS/V00j+XtCW/6iyEh+ WyWtM4hL0DrFJiQxUCF9w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:g6d2Zw7Kl20=:lBQxRh1j8SLSa5wtBR1oqm JfKC49lzPg15n/8T5crM4o8iJcR95KyeCBTYCfTZdozJMJw++YW8lpFMtCT7DsSPcM5oA+1R/ bIlZj/b2Dd4H5zk3wyqNqATRv9FehzOQCWY5Aye23uk7j4yIEnj7QaeyuVYthUXvx3nc3bDuo FuysONsN4rY+livu6Fep4zpd1gV6r4+9pJftraBoxx+l4P6OnvShv8Dm8liMx/sTlvx/wRLhM z4qm93vdyBi2Unn9+FxOLi2gIFkvcwx09ZzOj9kn/Z71xKZv8p3w8Zg3m2tf3k2ejuhs5rJ37 g6L4x0m2uw2UOvlIw5uwvQQxrEEIYLdMbUI3OVjcMqrPGPhjYjiyy0AEZAvRLIMIfayrc2xCA Qp/SQAQa6InsQ6utCqYj5qTviH1sYaLpkrXepxFhABNh1nt4D76Rx1XQH+OIhKXYX3qy9eAnz 0LBDmMpHgPahMYTlgLmS1PrdytX9XMEL2kfAblSs3gQUIcFbKVIsA/tP2GUdtrd0yxUjR4Vle fxOuF8NGQKDNpAs/n/NOYtxSfpHEr/0UX7Xp75scxvM+vN6sdOLCElMERGwgyzSkVioh7Xf89 PT7MCsj9tDJ3IG7YVNjhYQ5olcPgdvLxJIIEIgMn1ZoBbtiLy1nosLxS/F6GrZyTFIiprR487 2gSwTgV34YpZPN3vWDbZDghLA1wkB5XvxFWRfVxPblBcBzXObYFonnOpmXbyQPjRJhvA= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:50:47 -0000 On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 08:59:44 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 15/03/2017 22:22, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second > > port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, > > in the last two weeks I had two packages that > > refused to build. > > This does sound like hardware problems to me. I admit the hardware is a little bit old. But at the moment _everything_ is messed up almost at once. That's too much. Today I began trying to reproduce the problem by creating a USB stick with 11.0. I started saying this: # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 And yet, the system froze again! I'll report what happened as soon as -- and if -- the USB stick yields results. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 19:57:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C4BD0F1C8 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE87F1C37 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v2HJusup006314 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v2HJusme006311; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:56:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Bertram Scharpf cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks In-Reply-To: <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> Message-ID: References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:56:54 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:57:00 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 08:59:44 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 15/03/2017 22:22, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >>> since I upgraded to FreeBSD 11.0, every second >>> port rebuild freezes the system. Besides that, >>> in the last two weeks I had two packages that >>> refused to build. >> >> This does sound like hardware problems to me. > > I admit the hardware is a little bit old. But at the moment > _everything_ is messed up almost at once. That's too much. > > Today I began trying to reproduce the problem by creating > a USB stick with 11.0. I started saying this: > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 A count should not be necessary, it will stop when it runs out of input. > And yet, the system froze again! This really sounds like hardware problems, likely RAM or power supply. Can it run memtest86 for any length of time? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:03:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169C5D0F47F for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay12.qsc.de (mailrelay12.qsc.de [212.99.163.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80C631063 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay12.qsc.de; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:03:00 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11873CBF9; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:02:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2HK2wtN002155; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:02:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:02:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: daniel Verreault Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: brasero Message-Id: <20170317210258.062e3ebc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay12.qsc.de with 0870C6A3666 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1686 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:03:10 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:11:27 -0400, daniel Verreault wrote: > i have freebsd 11 and brasero do not see my writer Do other programs recognize the writer (cdrdao, cdrecord)? Do you have the required permissions set correctly (cd, pass)? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:06:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033CFD0F5B0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay14.qsc.de (mailrelay14.qsc.de [212.99.163.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C25A126C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay14.qsc.de; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:06:18 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB6DB3CC3F; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:06:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2HK6HTj002161; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:06:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:06:17 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the correct mailing list for networking/firewall stuff? Message-Id: <20170317210617.517c737a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> References: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay14.qsc.de with 09717683426 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1849 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:06:22 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:19 -0400, Quartz wrote: > I have some intermediate-level issues re: configuring a firewall and > whether I'm supposed to be blocking some stuff or not. FreeBSD has about > a billion mailing lists, which one is correct/active for these types of > questions? I'd suggest to first ask on this list (freebsd-questions@) and maybe divert to a different list if this is indicated or recommended by the answers you'll receive. Potential lists are: freebsd-net@ (if it becomes clear that it is networking-related) freebsd-ipfw@ (if you're going to be specific toward IPFW) freebsd-pf@ (if you're going to be specific toward PF) Lists: https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:09:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF33D0F6F3 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay15.qsc.de (mailrelay15.qsc.de [212.99.187.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 503991386 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay15.qsc.de; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:07:57 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 237CA3CBF9; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:07:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2HK7uHJ002169; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:07:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:07:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tijl Coosemans Cc: Heikki Lindholm , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: eject not working Message-Id: <20170317210756.d91aae53.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> References: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay15.qsc.de with 662F569FC48 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1904 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:09:05 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:39:55 +0100, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:13 +0200 Heikki Lindholm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > eject says: > > $ eject /dev/cd0 > > eject: Device not configured > > > > Kind of irksome because there's no eject button that could be reached on > > the DVD drive without taking something apart. Is there an alternative? I > > think this happens only when the drive is empty. Eject works on Linux as > > expected. > > > > (FreeBSD 11 / eject-1.5_4) > > Try "cdcontrol eject". Has cdcontrol been rewritten to use CAM/SCSI instead of ATAPI? If not, try "camcontrol eject 0:0:0" (where 0:0:0 refers to the optical drive; check "camcontrol devlist" to verify). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:10:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805BCD0F7D8 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41C0014D6 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462672007D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:10:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.116]) by vs25.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B57A20073 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:10:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D4EE4001B for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:10:05 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: eject not working References: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Heikki Lindholm Message-ID: <5442bb80-8493-b277-0daa-ce1db0a2761c@saunalahti.fi> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:09:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:10:09 -0000 On 17.03.2017 21:39, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:13 +0200 Heikki Lindholm wrote: >> Hi, >> >> eject says: >> $ eject /dev/cd0 >> eject: Device not configured >> >> Kind of irksome because there's no eject button that could be reached on >> the DVD drive without taking something apart. Is there an alternative? I >> think this happens only when the drive is empty. Eject works on Linux as >> expected. >> >> (FreeBSD 11 / eject-1.5_4) > > Try "cdcontrol eject". Works, thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:19:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058E6D0FD3D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp4.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5A421B09 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1coyLj-0006Na-Lt; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:19:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coyMV-00012a-Eb; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:20:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:19:39 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: eject not working Message-Id: <20170317201939.f8642d78afd6ac57df6639ad@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20170317210756.d91aae53.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <20170317210756.d91aae53.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:19:57 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:07:56 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > Has cdcontrol been rewritten to use CAM/SCSI instead of ATAPI? Looks like it has by 10.3 anyway - it works fine on this drive: cd0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device cd0: Serial Number R8LM6GABA14057 cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) I'm moderately surprised the drive still works, it's been a long time since it was used. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:25:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD27D10025 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi [193.64.193.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D4EF1EDC; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D29200D0; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:15:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.115]) by vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FB2200CA; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:15:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE69A40041; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:14:57 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: eject not working To: Polytropon , Tijl Coosemans References: <876a39d9-b968-54af-519c-60d0f507ab64@saunalahti.fi> <20170317203955.7ab8a02f@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <20170317210756.d91aae53.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Heikki Lindholm Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:14:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170317210756.d91aae53.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:25:07 -0000 On 17.03.2017 22:07, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:39:55 +0100, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:24:13 +0200 Heikki Lindholm wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> eject says: >>> $ eject /dev/cd0 >>> eject: Device not configured >>> >>> Kind of irksome because there's no eject button that could be reached on >>> the DVD drive without taking something apart. Is there an alternative? I >>> think this happens only when the drive is empty. Eject works on Linux as >>> expected. >>> >>> (FreeBSD 11 / eject-1.5_4) >> >> Try "cdcontrol eject". > > Has cdcontrol been rewritten to use CAM/SCSI instead of ATAPI? > > If not, try "camcontrol eject 0:0:0" (where 0:0:0 refers to the > optical drive; check "camcontrol devlist" to verify). Thanks, this one works, too. Using "devlist" appears to need root, though. Logical follow-up: # pkg delete eject Updating database digests format: 100% Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Deinstallation has been requested for the following 1 packages (of 0 packages in the universe): Installed packages to be REMOVED: eject-1.5_4 Number of packages to be removed: 1 Proceed with deinstalling packages? [y/N]: y From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:25:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC45D1004C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 080051F44 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [82.113.99.56] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coyR1-0006X8-RE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:25:16 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r314251 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v2HKPEbJ002471 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:25:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v2HKPEJs002470 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:25:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:25:14 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317202514.GA2361@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <20170317164859.533e5834@gumby.homeunix.com> <20170317170738.GA4095@c720-r314251> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20170317170738.GA4095@c720-r314251> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.56 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:25:20 -0000 El día viernes, marzo 17, 2017 a las 06:07:38p. m. +0100, Matthias Apitz escribió: > I plug'ed it in into the USB 2.0 connector; now in the USB 3.0: > > > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 (Invalid command operation code) > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: Serial Number 20170114010787F > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 400.000MB/s transfers > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: 953869MB (1953525164 512 byte sectors) > Mar 17 18:05:10 c720-r314251 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2 And I was wrong writing that it is a SSD disk (due to the case is only 1cm high); it contains a spinning disk. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 Aus "Nie wieder Krieg!" wurde "Nie wieder Krieg ohne Deutschlands Truppen" The "No wars anymore!" changed now to "No wars anymore without German battle groups!" El "¡Nunca jamás guerra!" ha cambiado a "¡Nunca jamás guerra sin tropas alemanas!" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:26:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F073D101FF for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp4.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 495A910EB for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1coy6Z-0005uz-EW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:04:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coy4u-0000pv-1I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:02:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:01:28 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the correct mailing list for networking/firewall stuff? Message-Id: <20170317200128.988d5237f4f452372db70722@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> References: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:26:42 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:19 -0400 Quartz wrote: > I have some intermediate-level issues re: configuring a firewall and > whether I'm supposed to be blocking some stuff or not. FreeBSD has about > a billion mailing lists, which one is correct/active for these types of > questions? This one is always a good starting point for questions - if it gets too involved in particular ways someone here will let you know where deeper expertise can be found. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:27:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6068DD10362 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rosettas@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x230.google.com (mail-wr0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 163AD12EE for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rosettas@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x230.google.com with SMTP id u48so58937734wrc.0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:27:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nXtisfjKLquVUMB6tmn3GyK8byvOIh9PrQtKnS+LWlk=; b=hJqS5U0UVH26F/XbXZ2AaUJhwBpbOy8FiUtv0gmG6M+Z5x0JA5uoev3XK5Dr3Kfh3T nSoKp9mAQVtCG99YMPXM3bkD12+R/r2v2DvODzwFtWcjAwKteVqM1w7ixE2m6Lb/ilWo Fqa95Sxy/Ok65LjFLkIVzPkVSWBD5BQuMQqobQy2prfRY1ga58gK8gJ0VEjbgdVsViiu 1JtH4yu/iPiuul55wzRhLUHmpfrzrFZUWQ3XvH2aBs9pRWrUwm2hUFXdz0JCPQrgD0jL LUkqrRs96xl+nzhLY5euC9mNjNPjnjVtYbjEhQcfBvI1NETSmmk3xY65yTlr2nubkzQ2 vbwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nXtisfjKLquVUMB6tmn3GyK8byvOIh9PrQtKnS+LWlk=; b=MVIsUC8q6iry0TxUkEqC3c2iZ+OzxRlzQiVsmzE1PsTp14f7+UWyQkh7OKdzH4BM67 GpL++EnfnhPFG6054HvBjQP2FlxtNgF40nGRrFuIi5pTrH9tUBHTHASmbHmFpHc+1Pqy 29UNOTjMJ4LzTZZ14BwVkiVspdawty2B36XR9imEq+SxA4wlgyUk/qB7uK5THZHKydGO eXWJyJjK5ExBZUkQWMpnZqWjuQFoCzEdHG8tH7EPCQiHvGETNbwAXQmdENI5Msvfbf9c nERrcCOu23SEN5tfd1NMwEdiXVGGzkB9Rj01Fow3eT+D622+N3biQa6FYMeHkeMsWhmR 9msw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0vZfTAGnVeU9PdRpCq/3j70f48pp63rErj8pMq8x5gcPRGyjJCyFPrZdQ0fLAXR/J1XPme5nt5ubiWfQ== X-Received: by 10.223.172.137 with SMTP id o9mr15823456wrc.66.1489782437271; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:27:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.168.6 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cos Chan Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:27:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Got mistake while upgrading to FreeBSD 11 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:27:20 -0000 Dear All I got a strange problem after upgrading from 10.3 to 11. I upgraded the system by: # freebsd-update upgrade -r 11.0-RELEASE # freebsd-update install after reboot I have ran again: # freebsd-update install Then after rebooting, I got different result from uname and freebsd-version: $ uname -r 11.0-RELEASE-p8 $ freebsd-version 10.3-RELEASE-p17 If I run # freebsd-update install again, the system doesn't work properly. it reports that "failed to initialize em0" during booting, the em0 is network card. and also reports some libraries missed, like lib80211.so.1 and libpam. -- with kind regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 20:30:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7A0D10532 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE21D149D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.2.3]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.145]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2dqH-1bxPv33O69-00sNsS; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:30:00 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coyVb-0000Kc-J7; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:29:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:29:59 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-ID: <20170317202959.GA1249@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:u8jOZBpVJozOWtQ+5Dwc0dMowBz50PBJGlH3K/VFACVuqx18Pxd 17dbxJ+1bgZPFYfGVjtCgSb5wRv5XRoeO7Sr4C4HRUxOsy5OKZ/Jhub9RE5UapaUeCB0RBq QnjD9kUqR6OGD1keP6gczI88vTTmz/nhYa0z57NyG+irReCdU0rjOmNwwhkjtO1rpz6GzwA 9wpR+WUeZzmHCA1Hsq9lg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+OUykfWbmFM=:Ecb5Xr+tQWq26eezaTj9QS lench5yc7ww/CjWDbe/X2/I9uvrdwH7+OWKvr9hM9rt/PtSvJyCGdrVz69kD+iSQSUxTnUZQ8 SIEi1IIlgHDfxPlz4L5BQfVXZzNW6BudG5xJMnH32ePofsirKzB36mBe+NyH4dwgR0aYcJsT6 ahsLGTOsO0q6F3bZ5JWehxV1O0ohbFRJZDCNxaVXB3scPxUWQarbteSQQM8hpftWQFzrbiq67 AtzgF62m24BhKE7CprHTDkxZ/rcwjYWNJU2sUwSpu3ygRTEgW7BdQr+6Jy5EFoQg4MTJ3TdkS K+6qSIEkbd+Vj+8+5AVYiysptEOHtYhdtnCCWhnF/i88FxRraWGkG4gb0+UtlgRj8MkGXlmnK Yb5CiMN7kktP7JSS2oV5ZkaihFOWWCG8A27qBkOgmNmMpJiUdxAVYoIG4fd9zZOng3XISoVkY Lzcr2i5/gu53YhZzz8WNPTsKSh/pyqrDzz7eBEv8r3p6YhKaql7jyu5AtOs7e98lo3DnkJLlT g8/I0DRaKQM7hgCb9FhhdUsEWJV0Nd4FfddoV3RrL7K7NU/oJJWfIn0pt9OQM4Y6OLgiVfWk/ 34X8LC8IOrGIHjrPDujlV970VrePnuNTqGV8EZDeSK8htIgXwXvKpPaY5l8niWqYr3QXNdJMc mK4GpM3tX2MM0mQ8dCxUW98XjUr5w9eWM5MQ2pbk0VqbYqgLuM3PmkDrM6GxE5/Q2feM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:30:26 -0000 On Friday, 17. Mar 2017, 13:56:54 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > > On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 08:59:44 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On 15/03/2017 22:22, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 > > A count should not be necessary, it will stop when it runs out of input. The file name is "usbstick.img" but it is still a file. The count is the length of the USB stick I'm planning to dd to. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 21:21:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F2FD10698 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0B4B14B2 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v2HLLSZO027739 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v2HLLSau027736; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Bertram Scharpf cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks In-Reply-To: <20170317202959.GA1249@becker.bs.l> Message-ID: References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> <20170317202959.GA1249@becker.bs.l> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:21:34 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > On Friday, 17. Mar 2017, 13:56:54 -0600, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 08:59:44 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>>> On 15/03/2017 22:22, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >>> >>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 >> >> A count should not be necessary, it will stop when it runs out of input. > > The file name is "usbstick.img" but it is still a file. The > count is the length of the USB stick I'm planning to dd to. This is still not needed. Either it will run out of file and end, or try to go past the end of a too-small memory stick and end. Come to that, I'm not sure what it does when the bs and count are larger than the size of the file. Probably just end when it runs out of input. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 21:42:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C06FD10178 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp2.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66D071A02 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1coz3P-0007Tz-EA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:04:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1coz2z-0001Jv-ID for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:04:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:03:33 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-Id: <20170317210333.d19db0eecd73d7d166152158@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:42:03 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 > > A count should not be necessary, it will stop when it runs out of input. /dev/zero won't run out. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 21:42:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D64D1040B for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp2.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 691E71BFA for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1cozSY-0008Bl-3p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:30:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1cozTK-0001QM-1y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:31:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:30:46 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks Message-Id: <20170317213046.92362227450584694b653ed6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> <20170317202959.GA1249@becker.bs.l> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:42:55 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > > On Friday, 17. Mar 2017, 13:56:54 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > >> > >>> On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 08:59:44 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >>>> On 15/03/2017 22:22, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > >>> > >>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 > >> > >> A count should not be necessary, it will stop when it runs out of > >> input. > > > > The file name is "usbstick.img" but it is still a file. The > > count is the length of the USB stick I'm planning to dd to. > > This is still not needed. Either it will run out of file and end, or . I suggest you try dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=1M and observe that it does not stop until the filesystem is full or you hit a hard quota limit. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 21:58:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D3DD1094A for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x232.google.com (mail-ot0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45A5B1174 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x232.google.com with SMTP id x37so104624447ota.2 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=m+zchrLQg6kuSXJDe/sMOJJnQQZCNh2OOHXepyY9uPc=; b=Lz04WR8RkQIHlEP/D92rtEHHFrjNqZasq2SaMulbnhK1T/M1iglrjtPkhDkG05L0WG zEkidyCdD82XRpfhYY+6+UW+XUzNXAOMsM4nJy3Zuo6BkpaNuOkE5LZQg3rG1QLaMchV Yuvylk+oMSbUoDUD8DPlc1w/K3PhPkhel2BF/Dfjcsvxkx4cq+AcN+h857ZxqC634g4b 3UdoiU7tlRvmZBIk6rA+8jVB8Npu4+LGj+txrFNZ+lqglD+gsOSbXMONwPaAhPRSRWz6 /v8dIdd5NloQ/dH1Bue56rqJ99uBG5VqRNYc5g2heTIoLu6IZ6fj8mhO6i0dEmQ/chJ+ MHSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=m+zchrLQg6kuSXJDe/sMOJJnQQZCNh2OOHXepyY9uPc=; b=gBulDxjIFyHt6kr74I2sq9DEUsq3SNaE8KXVPKE4YetgDeGiJK3xrwNUrfoTQuSD6H nGtVG931iF+ko1ZBzWoDJoT7Q4naON0WOZQZMytlxqJcWAPqLsbzWkc1Fd4azkSBFf6P r5y/UQOpRMX9SvDA/p8wXe6FhXyp5WwqxxhgnxuvOtzpzccQMgQ3DLS1CMqew/9VbMfl RWDiAXbydv6cJowul7jdZ4T5cjeEcK7tOCBK74cHLgvzkCDZCgv2Tjdk92Vh8R62Bd6e H5CJVv5v9lGO+AiBe7m1wgk+ic9rTbjRk+BCW6t8lrQsABPcAZvRMxRzVNfarDb9NKpU a1Tg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2B2OgDSDWxYo07huHLb7o7K5zklkBEp0bB8WXYDqeqnOF8mO0vBqKgfKkkNdWikJmrTGz9wFLEfvMw9g== X-Received: by 10.157.5.8 with SMTP id 8mr8060422otw.170.1489787932636; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.157.18.211 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:58:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> From: CeDeROM Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:58:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Mt7qIz9MWbXa3LUQyD5KqqES6XA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks To: Bertram Scharpf Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:58:53 -0000 Bertam, are you sure you are working on a clean filesystem? Did you run FSCK -F / from single user as suggested?? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 18 01:30:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3F0D11637 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C80C1231 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pool-72-74-34-8.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.34.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D9513F581 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58CC8D98.2040603@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:30:00 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the correct mailing list for networking/firewall stuff? References: <58CC385B.7040402@sneakertech.com> <20170317210617.517c737a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170317210617.517c737a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:30:03 -0000 > I'd suggest to first ask on this list (freebsd-questions@) > freebsd-net@ (if it becomes clear that it is networking-related) It's pretty specifically network related, I'm trying to figure out if/when/why I should blocking some multicast stuff. Thanks for the names, I saw -net but wasn't sure if that was the right one. 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Mar 2017, 13:56:54 -0600, Warren Block wrote: >>>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 16. Mar 2017, 08:59:44 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>>>>> On 15/03/2017 22:22, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >>>>> >>>>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=usbstick.img bs=1M count=7552 >>>> >>>> A count should not be necessary, it will stop when it runs out of >>>> input. >>> >>> The file name is "usbstick.img" but it is still a file. The >>> count is the length of the USB stick I'm planning to dd to. >> >> This is still not needed. Either it will run out of file and end, or . > > I suggest you try dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=1M and observe > that it does not stop until the filesystem is full or you hit a hard quota > limit. That if parameter was an image file the last time I looked. Never mind. 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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:04:21 -0400, daniel Verreault wrote: > i am a newbie to freebsd and have no idea of what to do. In that case, you should first check the relevant chapter of the FreeBSD handbook which explains the required actions. Keep in mind Brasero doesn't burn CDs and DVDs on its own - it needs the OS and additional programs to do so. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/creating-cds.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/creating-dvds.html > i have freebsd 11 with gnome3 As soon as you got the permissions thing right, Brasero will work as expected. I have it running on one system with Gnome 2. Again, go through the basic steps first: Is the optical drive recognized by the system? # dmesg | grep ^cd # camcontrol devlist Do you have the required software installed? # pkg install cdrecord # pkg install cdrdao # pkg install dvd+rw-tools Does cdrecord recognize the drive? # cdrecord -scanbus Do you have the correct permissions to access the device files that control the optical drive? Check /etc/devfs.conf for entries like this: link cd0 dvd own cd0 root:operator perm cd0 0664 own xpt0 root:operator perm xpt0 0660 own pass0 root:operator perm pass0 0660 Make sure your user is a member of the "operator" group so that you can benefit from the group permission to write to the controlling device files. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 18 22:44:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1449BD12005 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 22:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x235.google.com (mail-yw0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9DF91D0A for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 22:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x235.google.com with SMTP id p77so71853380ywg.1 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:44:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qdbaYx4zuiS3y8WBBj837Wa8xmoHXDhCm0My/OfLPgY=; b=FPFZ2HgpKqZ7+iVz6mtAXMBcjZ5F/JbDWIEt1JkD3XE7YOv2lqZQ2RYtbUo/ZBQQ6H nq8Qj2L6HqGBfUDjq5MjXzRJmQgXl4WT4/tbb7Iyp3ruwSakf7jhHLyDgKeWw+EGs/9U vMJCPBcP8TouZDK1ionjfMHxeHnMbDIZBRl5HRaZ0MF9YNmUhHBsxhiuKB7EZPGrZk+A 1rZ2mlU2pDmDxKqoA2bFUsBB6JHpaQguo1zYhN1p9VioUnI9+EtzEPf2fuJvK3OGx6wD GvsItFidcI4ZUE/9sBD58NZrrOgOrHWwxdpGNTTI1YN8guxx2AeNRgCNxHoKkCHuw8Md fbsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qdbaYx4zuiS3y8WBBj837Wa8xmoHXDhCm0My/OfLPgY=; b=I8Jucw54q+OsHdOgMQZX/AdVUewT0arvnNv0CFZ/OyGAGPjkfzq1ORr+SqjOZx0yOd sg7JsnrXJc0qsCQCfZ8KuXRIT/Nj7j10Nvu7jsji5qNEwOOKUffMGvCdeluQ5hwATPZK d6+gYcwYoa94/6umBmPEh5QJ7BuGiD2UW2ed5K6W2H9Oz/v29n8PMDoOoVIY04xgFtdl Y6tmIB4VsuYHQm4a8fL6UnwRQ3x1T1Djv85S9Avl31/jAoSYlxvWYL7cJ2EAm/E6AFOu 3/+00ItcZQ3ewO5Q+KEpfTjTkXeCQ0CQAaOJbuRFS8VjV0iRIyrX+E/jZMZuNiiEXOJo mdWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0IPCmc9SumQjXys+qeFFE3a/xDJTrSy3HBxKZSwDCskLe8AnhnsETmvPcUof5495HH5uNMjuLzPlrl2Q== X-Received: by 10.13.221.19 with SMTP id g19mr8479977ywe.21.1489877064791; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:44:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.171.199 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: William Dudley Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:44:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 22:44:26 -0000 A google search does not reveal a useful answer. I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from my FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux.