From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 19 18:29:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9A816A41F for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:29:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [216.154.195.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47B1343D4C for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:29:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: (qmail 8973 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 18:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO delta.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.30) by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 18:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8863 invoked by uid 99); 19 Nov 2005 18:29:41 -0000 Received: from interne-05-23.anon.t-online.fr (interne-05-23.anon.t-online.fr [213.44.125.23]) by webmail.spamcop.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:29:41 +0100 Message-ID: <20051119192941.zuo0kgggw4ck4o88@webmail.spamcop.net> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:29:41 +0100 From: Gilbert Fernandes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs Cc: chad@shire.net, tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Mach kernel and Unix over 68k : well before OS X (Was: Status of 6.0 for production systems) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:29:43 -0000 > Consider that when MacOS moved to UNIX that all the UNIX software > vendors could now easily port their applications to Macintosh. Excuse me, sir. Your discussion is pretty impressive and I have been reading it with care. Honestly, I am far from having a distant enough picture of the whole say to comment about what the discussion is about (and to be honest, I am not even sure I do know exactly what the point of the discussion is - please forgive me). But "Unix" has been available for MacOS users for a long time, far before MacOS X went out and using a Mach kernel. It has been since 1996, over a Mach kernel. Years ago, I worked for the crypto military branch of my country. We used Unix-based programs for some of our work. I had a Powerbook 190 and I needed Unix over it. After some time thinking it was not possible, I have found that MachTen did sold a Unix for x86 that worked upon a Mach kernel. You installed it on your MacOS and launched it from there. And you then had Unix running there, over a Mach kernel, with X too. You had both at the same time, running friendly together on screen and inter-operable. Vendors did not wait for Apple to let them run Unix software by using MacOS X. Before MacOS X got out, you could already run a Mach kernel over your Mac and compile almost anything there (anyway, all crypto programs I ever needed compiled there - it took a few monthes). I used it over MacOS 7.5.2 then 7.5.3 and 8.1 but I came back to 7.5.3 later. Motorola-based Powerbook with Mach kernel, happily compiling and running Unix programs with a perfect X working. I still got the product box and everything in mint condition : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gilbert.fernandes/remembering2.html#190 The first MacOS X release went out in January 1999 (and the first public beta a year after, 2000 - I bought it from the Paris Apple Expo). I hope you will both find this information interesting. Most people I talk about MachTen product and running Mach kernel and Unix over my old Motorola-based 68k get pretty surprised about it. Now I got to start to read all this thread all again, so please excuse me. Looks like I'm going to need.. some time :o) -- unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; fsck ; umount ; sleep