From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 15:48:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993BB106566B for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FD38FC08 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFED2.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.254.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q3AFmIPO049761; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:48:19 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3AFnnCv058304; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:49:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3AFnI1n013764; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:49:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201204101549.q3AFnI1n013764@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Mark Linimon From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:27:31 CDT." <20120409182731.GA31438@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:49:18 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Scot Hetzel , Boris Samorodov , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail/imaptools: port removal at Monday April 9th X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:48:22 -0000 Hi, Mark Linimon wrote: > On 9 April 2012 17:49, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> portmgr's policy is to honor removal requests, no matter the circumstances. > > ................................................ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Irresponsible.  Real 'Managers' shoulder responsibility.  So ... > > Real managers get paid. > > Real managers get paid by companies. > > Real managers get paid by companies with legal departments who will > defend them from frivolous lawsuits, and pay them during the period > of time while the frivolous lawsuit works its way through the US court > system. > > I have given thousands of hours of free work to this project. I'm > damned sure not going to incur any legal liability on top of that, > even if due to someone wanting to take an unreasonable position. OK > Perhaps the legal system in Germany is less broken than the US. I > certainly hope so. I believe Britain (& maybe Germany) have a lower percentage of lawyers than USA. > But until you sit in my seat, and have been threatened with lawsuits > in the past for equally unreasonable situations, you simply don't > know what you're talking about. "Been there, Done that, Got the T shirt" ;-) I've been personaly legaly threatened even just managing a company's law suit against a Canadian debtor. Learnt: Their game: intimidation, their message: "Our lawyer is richer than your lawyer" I've sued (& won) for debt: Learnt: Even trivial law cases can take Years. I've helped head a club with events with risk to life, Learnt: Insurance! Have you enquired for FreeBSD if the Foundation could afford insurance for key named central staff ? It's something companies that donate might relate to, & if added to Foundation web, might attract extra donations. I've helped run a club that left volunteers in office too long till they felt the club owed them, some got fractious & some burnt out. Learnt: That's why boards of directors have compulsory resignation by rotation. (with option to stand for re-election) The name 'Manager' asserts both authority & responsibility. As portsmgr can't take decisions with risk of responsibility, ... Change portmgr@ to match reality, (port-adm@ maybe ?). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/