From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 12 23:44:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6DF439 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cikita100000@yahoo.com) Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31A6A26C3 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 23:44:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 23:44:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 23:44:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 627356.87434.bm@omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 69219 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2013 23:44:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1381621449; bh=pxiNNMGw0LqhcdAPI3koWCZWfpISFVyRJs9KkoP8Iq4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wd0Oz8jtKrdrty0VIMrcFjWk0hLvpUcNwG8AtLoVwqORUQ/xN9SWWYf0GapQkF3wA6Zci9KFemN+6cmd6sI9+/ET2hMcsOpanEta9sNafLjZN2k4tabCNx+eQsKrxgdjtFyq41u/4PKXJTKt/bTsjKPMmVYMbfilkp1i8hTafKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1fpW38M9UMjr+u6IJ8xB6h/5Brckeke8N7cMWGwOdRfF43Q2o2bigV09vd1GH0OzcFr0IwDGwFCFBqz+Cbvnr5V5sJFCiOK7+LDkP3DWSACkKCXD71XvJ0j6MuAfmD3/DxikgrcMjAdcozdIVZvhNDDur2aJ6qTokwCW1sTbUvs=; X-YMail-OSG: SWxYWVAVM1nG8E8vhGYABrxRylvYUNEu6G3vo2c3HdNSGlM XgTJy2vBSJhyVpPX7zGcojpSjRJkfOYxqWsMI6ftsS5E3Jfp7ZdDiksVlJU5 _uukNv7460fQE8HtPuSaNUf9BKBmmuaMEdY_yAgZ_AZZx5LWxAImVjY2c.uy u9OUNo9EVzErc1w2GtOZGac25IFxzhcVAysY8Geb1v83J_PIMJhfiQXi17go ThJxgJ_UFLASU9dIZ3MBHusdFUeAn0nA7d.D94XErdx_v6EYro_iyUdUSkVg 2FLTmz4s2lKNVlrjVEx2vKUPykpMUJziQqFpk62DU5.SGESsVgbWi7YIAjPt F.SzSfVS_2nnKzPQFDKcrfp_3vfgyrCypBNuTblURdOBGSGrLghexIT43.fb F_SS3UVRm.2Q5qpc5yBCRvWSUAyXEg5SS0SRmEA9hSNmZ.tnfP8Uj98C4V_o NmG_L7YVQqdnwtK4NHDybULvJ6qXrooMZbNWdnaMwzzR81Qmb7wvQtw3dLs1 ljxLYRhn5fjNBko2qrw96KBj7O6nr3w-- Received: from [89.215.139.198] by web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, d2hhdCBraW5kIG9mIGZyZWVCU0QgdG8gZG93bmxvYWQgZm9yIG15IHBjP2FtZCBhdGhsb24odG0pIDY0IHgyIGR1YWwgY29yZSBwcm9jZXNzb3IgNDAwMCsgMi4xMSBHSHogOTYwIE1CIFJBTQoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.160.587 Message-ID: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: cikitaluzza Subject: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 00:46:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cikitaluzza List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:44:17 -0000 what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 01:15:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46B9F79 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9825C29BE for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDA6A3C670; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D1Exwl001918; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:14:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:14:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cikitaluzza Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? Message-Id: <20131013031459.a3daf16b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:15:08 -0000 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: > what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 > dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM Try 9.2 for AMD64. The i386 version should also work (as you are "low on RAM" if that might matter, depending on what non-OS software you're going to run on that machine). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 01:26:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B9A1EA for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9AE32A2A for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4643C711; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D1QjZN001941; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cikitaluzza Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? Message-Id: <20131013032645.56a097a8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 01:26:54 -0000 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: > can i run exe files on freeBSD? Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For DOS EXE and "Windows" EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. Those "compatibility packs" can be easily installed. They are not part of the OS. > it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever > spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i > think with things like errors or dll and many things from > blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no > problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and > no matter what . Definitely no bluescreens in FreeBSD. The system will behave exactly as intended and won't "change its mind" a few days after installation. :-) > how much total ram and bit is my pc of=A0amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 > dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? That's a 64 bit CPU, if I remember correctly. The AMD64 version should run fine. But as you are a little bit "low on RAM", you might consider using the i386 version (32 bit version) if you don't _need_ to run any 64 bit application. Especially as you've mentioned to run EXE files, this might be the better solution. >From what I've heared, wine (the "Windows" compatibility pack) runs better on i386 than on amd64. (I'm running it myself on the i386 OS on a 64 bit system without any problems.) > im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest > me to use os type? Is this via web? In this case, only the web browser matters. The typical candidates Firefox and Chrome should be fine. The OS does not matter here. If you need a proprietary program to watch the live cameras, often available only for an outdated "Windows" version, running it with (the mentioned) wine should work. (I've successfully tried something like that with a program to watch CCTV cameras via Internet.) > i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you > think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont > need it. Definitely no problem. But keep in mind: _You_ are responsible for creating backups! FreeBSD offers excellent tools to do so, no matter if you want to backup to disks, DVDs, the Cloud, or even to old-fashioned tape. Saving pictures from videos is no problem. There is mplayer and mencoder. It plays, records and converts _everything_. > i want stable os and never to reinstall or update That approach is unreasonable, I think. You _should_ update when security updates become available. It's in _your_ interest to do so, because effciency, security and usability improves from version to version. Luckily, FreeBSD has an easy way of updating the OS. It's _independent_ (!) from your installed applications and of course from your data. You can also decide to update your programs independently. However, a "install once, then keep using" scenario is easily possible with FreeBSD. (My home system has been installed in summer 2011 and worked _flawlessly_ since that point, never touch a running system.) I suggest you make yourself familiar with FreeBSD by using the resources from http://www.freebsd.org/ and you _might_ also want to check out PC-BSD (might be perfect for what you want) and VirtualBSD (easy way to try it out without installing it). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 02:46:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782AF78 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail233c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C392C88 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.22.4] (e182022004.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.22.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9D2kWrK002824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1381632392.765.128.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:46:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=dYI3Kwre c=1 sm=1 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:17 a=dm8Q9-keo9YA:10 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=qCLkpBKiJ2kA:10 a=msshTb_qucq-dPMef_sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.525A098B.00BB, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:46:40 -0000 On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 16:50 -0700, cikitaluzza wrote: > can i run exe files on freeBSD? The raw answer is, no, you can't. > it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS > windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things > like errors or dll and many things from blue screen. This doesn't sound like a Windows only error. > do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like > blue screen error or driver things and no matter what . Regarding to driver issues you better stay with Microsoft or switch to Apple. Hardware and free/libre and open source software requires the user to learn and take care if hardware is supported. > how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core > processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Around 1 GiB could be ok, but also be not enough RAM, but it seems not to be an issue. > im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to > use os type?i like to save pictures and videos Free/libre and open source software does less good support proprietary codecs and software. At the moment there is a thread about Adobe Flash on this list. The best choice could be Windows, perhaps installed as guest to a virtual machine, so that you always can restore it by using snapshots. > and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my > all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall > or update For multimedia Linux might be better than FreeBSD. Neither Linux, nor FreeBSD tend to lose data, you even shouldn't lose data when using one of Microsoft's less good Windows versions. It's more likely that users have less good backup and archiving strategies. If you want to consume multimedia by the Internet, you likely need to install security updates and software to use stuff based on proprietary software. You could set up a text editor and never need to update or to reinstall something, but the Internet and consuming multimedia likely need updates from time to time. Start an adventure ;), nobody will give you a guarantee, "self-responsibility" is a catchword for free/libre and open source software. FreeBSD and Linux are similar operating systems, on both kernels more or less the same multimedia applications do run, but the more recent versions are provided by Linux and multimedia is better supported for Linux. I'm an Arch Linux user, it's similar to FreeBSD regarding to a port like system, however, for your needs IMO Debian Linux stable release might be the less risky choice. OTOH, why not simply testing FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 02:48:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2ED7B for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772382C97 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49AA63C697; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D2mGH4002242; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:48:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:48:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: gct7photography@gmail.com Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? Message-Id: <20131013044816.19a60e49.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131012232840.1f1f8455@gnewsense.gmail.com> References: <52587390.3070400@wingfoot.org> <20131012053156.10e1d6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131012232840.1f1f8455@gnewsense.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:48:25 -0000 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:28:40 +0100, gct7photography@gmail.com wrote: > I don't know what others think, but what *I* really want is that the > free software versions of Flash (gnash and klash, etc) work at least as > well as versions of Adobe Flash do, or if versions of Adobe Flash are > to be used, that it will be free and covered by the GPL. First of all, keep in mind you're "walking corporate territory" here. No company will give you anything for free, and even if it looks free, there's a catch somewhere. "Flash" as a technology is dying. It didn't make the transition to the growing mobile markets. That's why Adobe does not continue its Linux line of product - a completely reasoname business decision. People who use, or to be correct, _abuse_ "Flash" as a replace- ment for markup and content are not interested in bringing their "product" to your attention and reception. What I'd like to see would be a "Flash" plugin integrated in the web browser, with the option of being switched off. I'd consider it a "1st class citizen" by demanding that is has the same status as embedded media, centered text, a PNG image or a hyperlink, being a "functional module" of the web browser like the renderer, the CSS interpreter, the JS interpreter or something like that. Could you imagine to install a pro- prietary plugin to be able to see a JPG image? To see text centered? To click on a hyperlink? And all the time keep in mind that it is backdoored? Hmmm... > Its unlikely to happen unless we start a campaign among the Free > Software users of the world to make Flash free software. That won't happen. "Flash" is the property of a corporation. The only alternative I see is that this corporation would "donate" the product, releasing all the sources and abandoning all involved "lawyer-crap". But that won't happen. I think most companies better close away the stuff they won't develop anymore instead of handing it over to a community. > Yes, I know HTML 5 is just around the corner, but we've seen a > concerted effort already (in the European Parliament at least) to > introduce DRM into HTML 5 and though it may make using Flash marginally > easier, it would be a retrograde step if DRM is to be introduced. As far as I know, DRM will be covered by the upcoming standard. This means it will be _possible_ to implement DRM solutions in HTML. _Using_ them - that's a totally different field. Keep in mind an important thing: Alternatives for "Flash" have been around for a decade at least. Video, audio, interaction - all possible without it. It's not just about the browser plugin (the "player"), it's also about the creative tools that people use to "produce" the stuff. Those tools are offered usually in expensive commercially distributed suites. As soon as developers and creators get aware of alternatives that they can learn and use for free, they _might_ change, but only if the mindset changes. It's not just about those tools, it's also about file formats. What I'm talking about is media codecs. Some of them offer DRM capabilites, others don't. Some of them are highly infected with patents and other "lawyer-crap". There are reasons why some systems and environments can play various formats out of the box, and others can't. Which formats are efficient for use with the Internet? Which offer "scaling" and streaming capabilities, important for mobile users who demand "lower quality, less data transfer, and tolerance to higher latency"? Which codecs can make use of a decoder made in hardware? _This_ problem also has to be solved! Now put this back into relation with my initial idea of making that kind of "content decoder" part of the web browser. The same way you see a JPG image on a web page and click on a hyperlink... It should be easy, but sadly it isn't. HTML5 tries to solve those problems. Its markup will be better suited for handling media content, plus CSS and JS will be important players on the interaction field. There are already projects that utilize those tools, and _developer tools_ as well as _creator tools_ will be present. Maybe they will even be present for free. YouTube can do fine without "Flash" already. Online games in HTML5 are appearing. On the other hand, "Flash" is a no-go on mobile, and mobile is becoming more and more important to consumers. Additionally, more and more people become aware of the danger of proprietary software (in regards of privacy and "corporate control", as well as an improving understanding of what DRM does to their freedom). It will take some time to show significant effect. Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-) > So what are we left with? Free software to replicate what Flash > does (at least) that does not have the taint of proprietary software? > Is that not an achievable goal? It is a _desired_ goal. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 03:08:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F6A444 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail233c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243272DE7 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from [85.182.22.4] (e182022004.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.22.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9D38Sdt025966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1381633708.765.133.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20131013044816.19a60e49.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <52587390.3070400@wingfoot.org> <20131012053156.10e1d6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131012232840.1f1f8455@gnewsense.gmail.com> <20131013044816.19a60e49.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=dYI3Kwre c=1 sm=1 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:17 a=aXXPJzcSRaYA:10 a=ALKwz0t7uJUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=rsIYsMhsAAAA:8 a=SW4w52ZtfRAA:10 a=ETM_RTXAwRd55v9LghQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=lKImfj7OcfoA:10 a=lNr_dQJBrQsA:10 a=ke0hgC2FxA2ah5QG2djBgg==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.525A0EAF.0006, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:08:34 -0000 On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 04:48 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-) It's new, not even 100 years old. Within our lifetimes people likely become more stupid, but yes, it will take some generations and people will get smarter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 03:17:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C16D58F for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27BA2E6C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id o14so4694777lbi.32 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:17:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YQhV5PyY4C2hDO+LsPp8dlRap5q3ofY7irlN8kuV2+Y=; b=KOeTbDa/9dEutwqGFaQPwc2bhXM7Rfhy3EtyrGod7JFsCZooKYjbb1Qb1+4dgUPOkc zXlFu4QGfQR9o+20VH4YaVWq1TxwQrQGVmdox6mdbPPhP7tbagjdig9u+z0BE6PjA8OJ oxJPt7nK4eUTNgi9suV70HyQOe2JyxyvqwNOKd2gXmA+00e6fV55h39aJPTlx6+PxSjp P0ksdSuPmFsYBdjoI/rx8bhbQpzYRHT7P7g66mki4GZzPDi+rFRWpepGzUgAZP5VdRia AbkKWK9n8aAbjMsACbNk2o9RhTOA2Qh7Fup+9xQXZS22KciInHF/FYxdjqKUlsGHaHtg g1Gg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.45.106 with SMTP id l10mr24248385lam.12.1381634240895; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130930015912.G67367@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20130930015912.G67367@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation From: yudi v To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:17:23 -0000 On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5 > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk > > > encryption. > > > > As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all > > architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist, and on > > i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some MSRs are > > not restored [1]. > > > > [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume > > Roland, sorry, no; you (and that page) are talking about Suspend to RAM, > ACPI state S3. What you've said is correct re Suspend to RAM - though > some running amd64 have achieved some success on some machines lately; > most of the issues are with restoring modern video, backlight and such. > > Those i386 comments don't apply to my Thinkpad T23s, which suspend and > resume, in console mode and X, flawlessly on 9.1-R and properly after > various tweaks on 8.x, 7.x and 6.x - but they're a single core P3-M .. > > I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka > 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting > S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild. > > > And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. > > > > [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk > > That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it > has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project > years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. > > The last laptop I have that will properly hibernate - ie save RAM and > all state to disk and power off, then reload all RAM and state on power > return - is a 300MHz Compaq Armada 1500C (mfg '98), but using the older > APM BIOS rather than ACPI. (It's still running, 24/7/365 since 2002 :) > > cheers, Ian Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power outage. I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS 3112, anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT). -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 03:49:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE49A61 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6FD62F8E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 183AF25340; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9D3nQUa002655; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:49:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:49:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cikitaluzza Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? Message-Id: <20131013054926.58307ba7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131013032645.56a097a8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20131013032645.56a097a8.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:49:41 -0000 Typo warning! On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: > > can i run exe files on freeBSD? > > Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For ^^^ > DOS EXE and "Windows" EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. > Those "compatibility packs" can be easily installed. They > are not part of the OS. Of course I meant _VMS_ executables. ^ Also I don't know if there would be a way to run OS/2 EXE files. This is probably only possible with a VM running the appropriate OS/2 version. This approach might also apply for running Novell NetWare EXE files. There are several VM systems available for FreeBSD, for example VMWare and VirtualBox. I hope I have covered all typical possibilities of what "exe file" could mean. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 05:04:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C72ED for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFAB42221 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9D53kNV087173; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:03:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <525A29B2.80800@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:03:46 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cikitaluzza , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc? References: <1381621449.65080.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1381621832.63107.YahooMailNeo@web121206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:04:02 -0000 On 2013-10-13 01:50, cikitaluzza wrote: > can i run exe files on freeBSD? Yes, but the files are not called exe files. it spoils fast or not? Google translate? do you have any problems within freeBSD Yes. how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Download amd64 i want stable os and never to reinstall or update You should consider pen and paper then. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 07:38:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9AC647 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F182702 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:13168] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EB/32-15529-5FD4A525; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages? X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:38:30 -0000 On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 32-bit version with (i386-)Wine? I plan to try that. 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[91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ey4sm22663272wic.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:30:25 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD quest Subject: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:30:37 -0000 Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR? Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 10:16:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1263933 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x236.google.com (mail-qa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A10052C2D for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j15so1764663qaq.13 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=B6Xb7GYAJ81iO4/WwbCEJTOnlWRkW1xmhnHaSL9MZBs=; b=RHxeqp6WzViNUCqFmYMSXA7q+SrzYYNimlkBX8W2NIZEJ61yRunwJtDDwptTf0APOJ xT/P2Zk4f81YzyrMk7P6cc1qvqrNUCgw/swgXolRUbOmsHwQKUbc2UP4NBybVvC8Cafn oPtBsR320BlfGqqc1nqFkGFn653VevDgL9hx8j6zaEu+Y8NCm9P/6fKIUn35+UtnHzPJ TwfHyyZZew10BCFlfjEgNOwd6Zd6UmXiL21phZgLwr/rXM6fBSVhPQaPwRZAW4QKPV3u kUtp6B0t+NtKPyJwkBpbq0aLlNhPA862Sm0DSDf6cXikxeCjRh2m6GsYc+qHgvDUd26v 35WQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.161.83 with SMTP id q19mr1405310qax.92.1381659371399; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:16:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:16:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Trib8qE475VyQVuuQTN8rItGqYo Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:16:13 -0000 On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier" wrote: > Hello there, > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my > FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some > files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but > I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, > so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > Any ideas? Should I open a PR I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 10:23:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17337ACC for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com (mail-we0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A58F62C74 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id t60so5723462wes.26 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/m6DSlDWbsgqyOjQql2fnrCyt6U3fBF9lhPwwrIgS4Y=; b=mhwomUVYrhWddY7T01R2/kUeRhZxvpFErzaguKpF3tHBPRB1KP8UR0HrBk45ucRao9 hByZfdESIbeB5rut5tUMHurIiWLRiwljjE1nhOU4OvpqfTPENNt0S1XM/2k/8TpDKd/u LFK0StKcvz/0HbXmpr6jUHAwm13oYit0j7lqr5F0tqSKyu8OsFlZtbh+mtCLtuIDK9Gg 9UMSJSmgjsVMvk/MlfE3AQuOG73ArGcd3gNRp1zXi7Dq2TdJDBklSUctSZ/FGlPVslLX t+41sfnkvTlH8XNKUXLILgDCYI2lGkh5XytUWOWFMr85Zo2nHoOwdh9yJ/uMABRzZRz9 F91g== X-Received: by 10.180.20.77 with SMTP id l13mr10288676wie.40.1381659802119; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (171.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs15sm12223064wib.10.2013.10.13.03.23.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525A748F.3050109@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:23:11 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CeDeROM Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:23:24 -0000 On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote: > On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier" > wrote: >> Hello there, >> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my >> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some >> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. >> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but >> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... >> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, >> so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. >> Any ideas? Should I open a PR > > I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was > fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported > this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious > issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending a PR. Cheers, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 11:22:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3116C3C0 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83F62E96 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP423 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:21:20 -0700 X-TMN: [sQjqUBoZnw7L0Kx97KLo4N1tOApUXC6g] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.104.150]) by BLU0-SMTP423.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:21:19 -0700 Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3cyL7c4Y49z2CG4b for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:21:16 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Subject: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2013 11:21:19.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[57090150:01CEC806] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:22:25 -0000 I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have=2C or at least I couldn't find any=2C software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software=2C the unit is basically useless. I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to I need to insure that this is a "SmartUPS" The unit I am looking at does not qualify. I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. --=20 Carmel =E2=9C=8C carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 11:29:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4BC490 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676A52EC4 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r9DBGUGh099632; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:16:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:16:30 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: yudi v Subject: Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20131013214155.O37608@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20130930015912.G67367@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:29:01 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000, yudi v wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5 > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for > full disk > > > > encryption. [..] > > I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka > > 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting > > S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild. > > > > > And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. > > > > > > [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk > > > > That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it > > has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project > > years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. [..] > Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I > just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am > looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power > outage. Hi Yudi, you haven't said what sort of machine (desktop/server/laptop) or how long a mains power fail runtime you're after, so it's impossible to guess what sort of size UPS you might need .. > I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS > 3112, I don't know about that model; it makes no mention of shutdown alert / control at all, only 'some models' have a USB connector, and I couldn't find the manual for it there. Certainly not all 'desktop' UPSes support what's needed to communicate and shutdown cleanly, so check carefully both the specs and that software (apcupsd or nut) supports the model. I gather from your timestamp (and that model) that you may be in Australia, in which case you could browse from here for the APCs: http://www.apc.com/products/category.cfm?id=13&ISOCountryCode=au [However that page currently throws errors on the various model links of 'Element CACHE.APCTOSECOUNTRYMAPPINGS is undefined in APPLICATION.' :( ] > anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be > looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT). I'm sure there are people here who can advise. I've only setup Eaton and PowerWare UPSes, and those on a Debian linux server, using NUT. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 15:02:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843F85FF for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36C532705 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9DF2CC5078242 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9DF2CfX078239 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:02:13 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:02:14 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Carmel wrote: > I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G > Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has > ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I > couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, > the unit is basically useless. > > I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS > > dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to > I need to insure that this is > a "SmartUPS" The unit I am looking at does not qualify. > > I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I > intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. sysutils/apcupsd works with a lot of APC units. Offhand, I know it works with a several-year-old Back-UPS XS unit (not mine), and with all my older Smart-UPS units. Mac people say that apcupsd works with the BE750G: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20100314155518972 The Smart-UPS models are preferred for better quality. In some of the newer units, APC has gone to a proprietary communications protocol. The problem units are shown on the apcupsd.com site. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 16:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627F4EE2 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yavuz.maslak@ihlas.net.tr) Received: from pop3.ihlas.net.tr (pop3.ihlas.net.tr [213.238.128.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E319A29EB for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16543 invoked by uid 89); 13 Oct 2013 19:04:18 +0300 X-Mail-Scanner: Scanned by qSheff-II-2.1-r3 (http://www.enderunix.org/qsheff/) Received: from unknown (HELO com2007) (yavuz.maslak@ihlas.net.tr@212.156.150.130) by pop3.ihlas.net.tr with SMTP; 13 Oct 2013 19:04:18 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Yavuz_Ma=FElak?= To: Subject: about setfib arpresolve Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:04:20 +0300 Message-ID: <00c101cec82d$e0d37100$a27a5300$@ihlas.net.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac7ILd8VwhOmLycyQc62SepXil7jOw== Content-Language: tr X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:11:04 -0000 Hello On freebsd 8 i get kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for x.x.x.x How can i get rid off this issue? I saw http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/167947 but how can i patch it ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 17:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4816DD for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zaphod@berentweb.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE9A2C9E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VVP9a-0007N2-H4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:08:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:08:32 -0000 I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related. ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log shows: Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client. Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP) $ ssh root@192.168.1.10 Password for root@server.freebsd: Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013 Welcome to myNetwork (the motd message) csh: No such file or directory Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed. /var/log/auth.log for ssh shows: Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from 192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2 Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by user Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues. ----- FreeBSD-9.2-stable_amd64_root-on-zfs_clang-only-world -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Authorisation-Errors-on-9-2-tp5851543.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 17:24:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB71286C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kentas@hush.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10.hushmail.com [65.39.178.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B310B2D48 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 911DBC014C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w6.hushmail.com [65.39.178.92]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 71AA26018E; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Reinstall without reformat From: "Kenta Suzumoto" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:24:37 -0000 Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? I have one directory of data that I want to keep. I can boot from the installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how could I install the OS from there? I've done ZFS on root installs with the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 19:31:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD943506 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5546E2380 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9DJV1Qu031836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:31:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:31:01 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 References: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:31:10 -0000 On 13/10/2013 18:08, Beeblebrox wrote: > I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related. > > ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log > shows: > Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory > to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk > > ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after > login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client. > Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP) > $ ssh root@192.168.1.10 > Password for root@server.freebsd: > Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013 > Welcome to myNetwork (the motd message) > csh: No such file or directory > Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed. > > /var/log/auth.log for ssh shows: > Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. > Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from > 192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2 > Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by > user > > Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues. > The gnome keyring demon does that. I believe it's only warning and I've never dug in to the source to find out more but I think it's something it can only do on Linux. I'm sure someone will be along in a minute with something to say about that. As to the second problem - csh: No such file or directory. At the risk of pointing out the trivial, is root's home directory valid? Why not post /etc/passwd and we'll check :-) Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? I assume you've configured sshd to allow direct root logins. If you hadn't I think you get a different rejection message (but who knows with 9.2?) Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 19:39:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB025D3 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6721@twc.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63FF23A9 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.130.200.176] ([74.130.200.176:40534] helo=localhost) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 61/07-16944-CA6FA525; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:38:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:38:20 +0000 Message-ID: <61.07.16944.CA6FA525@cdptpa-oedge02> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <525A748F.3050109@gmail.com> Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Cc: David Demelier , CeDeROM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:27 -0000 > On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote: > > On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier" > > wrote: > >> Hello there, > >> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my > >> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some > >> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. > >> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but > >> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > >> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, > >> so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > >> Any ideas? Should I open a PR > > I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was > > fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported > > this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious > > issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect > things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending > a PR. Running fsck in single-user mode may not be sufficient. You may need to run fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation or live CD. I remember reviving a FreeBSD partition that way, normal root partition not mounted. I once revived a FreeBSD partition with fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation of NetBSD 5.1_STABLE i386 after FreeBSD couldn't do it. It helps to have a UPS to protect against short power failures and allow graceful shutdown on longer power outages. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 20:25:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5342BFE for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monahbaki@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x235.google.com (mail-bk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DF232595 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id d7so2294460bkh.26 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=635XdMd15FgyLvjRjoKE/ZpRH8jicyN6Hfx284VqrR8=; b=x22YEe16BG1hvBEjJc4O7jQrXGxLfIY/DqG/WPMEKBVE/aBdJstQBekMPTnSfDeWBC a2PxynTCDgLewhEG6W144cR/X8s0DYAcLtjEMUmUOG5uJkzuRLtFMjykL7EBLIQERviF nRDebp6XwjrGkiLxAGqaXfgg+KCp+xO6sADEudvM8mi5LxbmF0+AHiF7nsEgcq2MAGwV oZamRHcGwu5PHFPNvknhrtZqwRuu25vUbyeDEJFs7zMNkfCZvYxAKk1JBfwm++omHwnu Kg2P1fEGQUfkKYLI5I7eImX5sBxedOSfq/LffWMz2U/UjwFzTc0LFQHTtJ1NqoVM7nDL Kumg== X-Received: by 10.204.234.8 with SMTP id ka8mr26175179bkb.5.1381695952048; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.111.134 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monah Baki Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Tunnelling between Cisco and Freebsd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:25:54 -0000 Hi all, I am running FreeBSD 9.2. The FreeBSD server in on a private IP, 192.168.1.6. I have only one public IP and that's on my verizon firewall configured to port forward to my FreeBSD server. I do not control the Cisco device, but here is the config that was sent to me: interface Tunnel10 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.252 tunnel source GigabitEthernet0/0/2.1 (187.255.253.1) tunnel destination 107.48.4.129 Here is what I did on my FreeBSD: ifconfig gre0 create ifconfig gre0 10.1.1.2 10.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 ifconfig gre0 tunnel 192.168.1.6 187.255.253.1 Now I can ping 10.1.1.1 (his end) But when I try to add a static route for his subnets via his tunnel IP, it fails root@devsrvr:/root # route add -net 187.255.252.0/2210.1.1.1 route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable add net 187.255.252.0 : gateway 10.1.1.1: Network is unreachable Am I missing anything? It's my first time configuring a Tunnel. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 20:40:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B9CEC9 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E6CF263B for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C941227327 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:31:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <525B0330.8090201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:31:44 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130516 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE References: <52590D96.2010909@gmail.com> <1381568574.744.91.camel@archlinux> <52591BD1.6030305@gmail.com> <1381574220.744.113.camel@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <1381574220.744.113.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:40:57 -0000 On 10/12/13 20:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote: >> I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see. > +1 It's not a browser I like. > > Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't > maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available > for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and > Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium > instead. > > Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash, > https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome . > > Sorry for the noise. > > At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual > machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome > available for FreeBSD too? > > Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux > version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really > caused by Flash Player and not by something else. > To add more confusion to this fray, although it may not help with gray screen issue, the only reason chromium works (yes, just install the nspluginwrapper as per the handbook) is that it is better suited to the new pepper style Adobe is going with now. FWIW, I did put in a port to fix drm issues on any site which was stopping videos playing (again, not your specific issue, but what appears to be in discussion here) and which allows flash to work using any browser - uses linux dbus libraries (weird). Not sure of the status though. Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 13 20:45:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27930FD6 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5863266E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 85273 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2013 21:31:24 -0000 Received: from pool-71-167-229-74.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@71.167.229.74) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2013 21:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7875 invoked by uid 103); 13 Oct 2013 20:02:36 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 2013 20:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:45:53 -0000 Hi, I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this easily. If the ports aren't in use, I have just deleted them, but for other things, such as libgsf-1.14.21_1, which is required by a dozen or more of my installed packages, it is not so easy. So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' upgrade of each port? Thanks! Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 02:07:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D229E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B389B22F6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29A193C73F; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9E27g8X001936; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:07:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:07:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Kenta Suzumoto" Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat Message-Id: <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:07:58 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: > Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. > I have one directory of data that I want to keep. You should still make a backup, because "I want to keep" does imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-) > I can boot from the > installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how > could I install the OS from there? You simply re-enter the installer, assign the (existing, but now empty) partitions to the desired mountpoint, make sure _not_ to newfs them, and then commit to the installation as usual. An alternative would be, after "preparing" the partitions, mount them as desired and extract the installation datasets from the installation media manually (via shell commands). Still you might miss other steps the installer performs. > I've done ZFS on root installs with > the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too? Probably yes (never tried that myself). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:01:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4488F84 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57F9C29E7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9E512MK082982; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9E512Np082979; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat In-Reply-To: <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:01:09 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be > kept, except of course you previously remove everything. sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. >> I have one directory of data that I want to keep. > > You should still make a backup, because "I want to keep" does > imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-) Absolutely. With no backup, only one tiny thing can go wrong and the data is gone. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:03:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4758FB5 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFCD22A05 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9E53FRY083005; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9E53DYk083002; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Scott Ballantyne Subject: Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports In-Reply-To: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Message-ID: References: <20131013200236.7874.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:03:17 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Hi, > > I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and > reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the > past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step > involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this > easily. What errors, exactly? > So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this > and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' > upgrade of each port? It should "just work". Have you converted to pkgng? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:21:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C269231 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27E12AC8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3377E3C683; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9E5LInE004473; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:21:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:21:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat Message-Id: <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:21:28 -0000 On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: > >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? > > > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. > > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content > > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be > > kept, except of course you previously remove everything. > > sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? I know that sysinstall had the option "newfs toggle" so you could skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions to the desired mountpoints. It can be seen at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further modifications as needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 05:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63C937D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zaphod@berentweb.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8E412B54 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VVaqi-0000yJ-EY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:37:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1381729068425-5851636.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> References: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> Subject: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:37:50 -0000 Hi, I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password. For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd was modified to allow root login. All users have valid home directories defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it? sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin* >> Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can eliminate these problems. Thanks and Regards ----- FreeBSD-9.2-stable_amd64_root-on-zfs_clang-only-world -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Authorisation-Errors-on-9-2-tp5851543p5851636.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 06:55:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E1F154 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCED62E45 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1VVc3Q-000QOm-SM>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:55:00 +0200 Received: from g229173239.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.229.173.239] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1VVc3Q-000UsH-PI>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:55:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:54:56 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/wccA+QOHfo/QiQCgmWnw6qJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 92.229.173.239 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:55:09 -0000 --Sig_/wccA+QOHfo/QiQCgmWnw6qJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost every-two-day basis or at least weekly. The underlying OS is now FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #1 r256384: Sat Oct 12 18:34:38 CEST 2013 amd64. The question is: is this a kind of miscompilation or has there something minor changed and I didn't noticed that? User error? If some has a tip or hint, I'll appreciate it. Please CC me, I do not subscribe this list. 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Hartmann" Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:46:50 -0000 El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: > > After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox > rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not > know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because > coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox > towards revision 23 slipped in. > > My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost > every-two-day basis or at least weekly. Hello, I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head too, rev. r328930. FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine with drag and drop. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 07:51:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BF7E70 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6EA92118 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id aq17so10092211iec.20 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LcCZgvoSbatGwIv+7A5G9KuptmoqWF4u5/rdkP8WU28=; b=R9hEC4XNbUMPy3nidFbx/WZs2RxuUCYo8iwNm7q2SdI2GOOPLt1f8FMNyP5s6QVO90 rwPL1rQC0Sz0zD133vuh4cM5C2N28tfNB7ElgeF1Oswc/DIQCZ35BtsiJXEOSzA4b4KT 19AImNki+l6gQTwj0nAC5xzyaAxjMjJAYBJTUIbOCAYgGSI0+dx3gPoQ5WieG3wkTUfG oD9wAWVkL6Hx2VTfAAHKAjtF0vbJCudquGGv/5KoPbahD0NDRu5645Id0EPcg5S/89P+ RkiBCHiDcXNdmbuvojfwGglcwp0nOcXLKCSeV61vQST1IZHg7kAiwZAKuwTIcF5whiB3 qqBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.153.16 with SMTP id vc16mr11895089igb.8.1381737100998; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.12.140 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:51:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 03:51:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:41 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: > > >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? > > > > > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. > > > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content > > > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be > > > kept, except of course you previously remove everything. > > > > sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. > > Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for > the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > and > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html > > and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, > even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any > problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? > > I know that sysinstall had the option "newfs toggle" so you could > skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions > to the desired mountpoints. > > It can be seen at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html > > in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. > > I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of > functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( > > That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from > the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the > easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, > then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further > modifications as needed. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > OR Disconnect power line of existing HDD to be reinstalled . Attach another HDD or drive , for example USB stick . Perform a fresh install on the new unit . After verifying that the new install is working properly , Shutdown the computer , attach power of previous HDD , mount it , copy all of the new files from freshly installed unit into previous HDD, Shutdown the computer , Disconnect newly installed unit , Restart the computer . It is very likely that your previous HDD will work as like newly installed . OR Do the reverse : >From previous HDD , copy all of the required files to the new HDD . Disconnect previous HDD or unit . Continue with the new HDD or unit . If the previous HDD is not bootable , it is necessary to continue with the new HDD . I am applying the second kind of steps for all my new installs . In that way nothing is broken , even there is no back up of the files because nothing applied to the existing HDD . The cost of this operation is to have a spare disk or a USB stick having sufficient capacity . Personally I am not using USB sticks for such operations because they may fail unexpectedly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 08:23:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AC86D6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B665522C1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1VVdRO-000zb8-W2>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:23:51 +0200 Received: from e179078129.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.179.78.129] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.80.1) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1VVdRO-000dP6-Sn>; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:23:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:23:49 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 85.179.78.129 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:23:53 -0000 --Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:48 +0200 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann > escribi=F3: >=20 > >=20 > > After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox > > rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not > > know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because > > coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of > > firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. > >=20 > > My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost > > every-two-day basis or at least weekly. >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head > too, rev. r328930. >=20 > FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine > with drag and drop. >=20 > HIH >=20 > matthias >=20 Sorry, FF is in my case 24, too: pkg info firefox firefox-24.0,1 Have you done updating the ports regarding 20130929=20 in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the tab-stickyness is present. My ports tree is Revision: 330274, my OS is as reported above. --Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSW6oVAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8qokIANX2m5g3TxLQaRh5is19y66/ SqIUoV9UmVPcGr15YD/gci82AwjbCf4K8W8EBkA0m/3xzvO4GspbiUGy2UvqWPp9 MJWV4kitzf2zrOi3+XMRD4zJMaBUBK0oDhGr2AAB540DykLwrRVhdA9NbSXTBY9r RT6r0o3dFY/k3AIBdw7PlhBY0zhhvwerlo3h0AOE2tyrBF6OQvkiTg8azxxvjuRK 6kAn+GKnaG1kfeD08xbUAAuE3A3Cvf5qMRA08KsdKfaOX72S2lQ5RNc5RT1xa/6X iOfDVproMJDiKiDW9Ze0FoUKiEemwuidzlSwimZ5ujVgeUOh53pi+I7hko/zghw= =T/O6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/l9_Vz+.PVad+e456s57tfn6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 08:31:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692397EF for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [178.254.11.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E8262332 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VVdcU-0007UL-Gq; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:35:18 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:35:18 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: "O. Hartmann" Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs Message-ID: <20131014083518.GA25424@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:31:14 -0000 El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 10:23:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: > > I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head > > too, rev. r328930. > > > > FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine > > with drag and drop. > > > > HIH > > > > matthias > > > > Sorry, > > FF is in my case 24, too: > > pkg info firefox > firefox-24.0,1 root@aurora:~ # pkg_info | fgrep firefox firefox-24.0,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla > Have you done updating the ports regarding > > 20130929 No, I did 'svn co ...' for /usr/ports on an empty machine and compiled all my used ports based on rev r328930. matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 09:07:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03103308 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7C8525B8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VVe7Q-0005vi-Aw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:07:16 +0200 Received: from pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([71.163.112.98]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:07:16 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:07:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:07:24 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > Hello there, > > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my > FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some > files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. > > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but > I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, > so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > > Any ideas? Should I open a PR? Not sure there is enough to go on for a PR, but something is weird. Friday morning our power went down at home for about three hours after I had already left for work. When I came home I found the router/gateway box was OK. It is still with the old DOS mbr and disklabel scheme, with softupdates, and is a pair of disks gmirrored. The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides /), then rebooted and system came back up OK. Both of these machines were recently updated to 9.2 Release from 9.1. It has been approximately 9 months, or so, since I last had a power outage like this one. Back then they were still 8.3 I think, did not have SU+J and recovered just fine on their own. This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat disconcerting. Beyond that, however, I do not have any other details or data. Nothing to flesh out a PR, but thought I'd mention what I saw in conjunction with your experience. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 09:11:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2AD3F6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F8712615 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-163-34-162.range86-163.btcentralplus.com [86.163.34.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9E9BYQJ015441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:11:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <525BB546.1040309@fjl.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:11:34 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2 References: <1381684110517-5851543.post@n5.nabble.com> <525AF4F5.2080209@fjl.co.uk> <1381729068425-5851636.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1381729068425-5851636.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:11:37 -0000 On 14/10/2013 06:37, Beeblebrox wrote: > Hi, > I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error > message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact: > slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password. > > For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd > was modified to allow root login. All users have valid home directories > defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it? > sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin* > >>> Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? > The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not > have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can > eliminate these problems. > > I'm now really guessing - I've not tried 9.2-RELEASE. Given these things are usually really obvious when you finally spot them (it happens to me a lot, anyway), here are a few obvious things you could think of in case it helps. First off, ssh is different from a console login so what's in sshd_config matters. That said, the defaults generally work (or used to). In no particular order, in sshd_config: PasswordAuthentication must be "yes" KerberosOrLocalPasswd probably "yes" AllowUsers, AllowGroups, DenyUsers and DenyGroups need to be set correctly. ChrootDirectory - this could cause fun if it's set to something. Other things that might be interesting are UseLogin and UsePAM. If this was a fundamental problem with changed defaults in 9.2, I'm sure a lot more people would have complained. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 09:24:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30206625 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E446526C1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VVeNv-0007RH-RB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:24:19 +0200 Received: from pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([71.163.112.98]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:24:19 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:24:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:24:08 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-163-112-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:22 -0000 Michael Powell wrote: [snip] > The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It > was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. > There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had > failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides > /), then rebooted and system came back up OK. Meant to include also that I booted from a CD with wddiags and ran the Quick test and it found no errors on the disk. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r5sm143504685qaj.13.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3cyzbc6pf5z2CG5X for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:29:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: DEFAULT_VERSIONS= Message-ID: <20131014082916.294dce0f@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:29:22 -0000 Has the "DEFAULT_VERSIONS=" been extended to include ports other than python=2.7 python2=2.7 python3=3.3 perl5=5.18 ruby=2.0 tcltk=8.6 as presently shown in UPDATING? Are their plans to extend it to ports like db6, mysql56\*, etcetera? -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pi6sm24274014wic.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:39:53 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure Message-ID: <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:39:57 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: > David Demelier wrote: > > > Hello there, > > > > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on > > my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly > > but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was > > unable to log in. > > > > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd > > but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... > > > > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate > > files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. The journalling in SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity. When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple performance. If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or zfs instead. If you look back at the lists before these were added there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks. Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know whether this is still the case. > This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat > disconcerting. I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would (if you were looking) occasionally see "unexpected soft-update inconsistency" during the background check, which would lead to a foreground check on the next boot. 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If you have received this message in error, notify se= nder immediately and delete this message immediately.=94 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 13:51:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969F1965 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B8C299A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9EDpGlN086899; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9EDpF7G086896; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat In-Reply-To: <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:51:21 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: >>>> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? >>> >>> Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. >>> The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content >>> will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be >>> kept, except of course you previously remove everything. >> >> sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. > > Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for > the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > and > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html > > and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, > even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any > problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them. It's been a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing filesystems mounted at /mnt. Still, not something to try without a backup. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 14:04:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0710A13E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF9B92A92 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9EE3wYO087022; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r9EE3vol087019; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "O. Hartmann" Subject: Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs In-Reply-To: <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> Message-ID: References: <20131014085456.3691ae0b@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> <20131014075048.GA7174@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20131014102349.12f69928@thor.walstatt.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:04:00 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, O. Hartmann wrote: > > FF is in my case 24, too: > > pkg info firefox > firefox-24.0,1 > > Have you done updating the ports regarding > > 20130929 > > in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the > tab-stickyness is present. Firefox 24 allows tab moves for me on both 9-stable and 10-stable. The pixman update missed some files for me, resolved by using pkg_libchk (from sysutils/bsdadminscripts) to find the ports that needed rebuilding and then rebuilding them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 14:12:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685E2460 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BB452B3A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3B2524B66; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9EEC6jV001944; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:12:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:12:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat Message-Id: <20131014161206.c4bda8cf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kenta Suzumoto , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:12:22 -0000 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:15 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have > bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them. It's been > a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. > bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing > filesystems mounted at /mnt. Still, not something to try without a > backup. So if I understand everything correctly, the "decision logic" is -- when partitions do already exist -- as follows: a) existing partitions not mounted: run newfs mount partitions copy files b) existing partitions mounted: do not run newfs copy files The installer itself doesn't seem to give a hint about this logic, even though the manual _might_ suggest it. I haven't examined the source code to fully verify this logic, even though it would be a reasonable approach. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 15:34:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7995165D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:34:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3927D2091 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id id10so4165934vcb.12 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=05wk5q0RLWkbLJEscKZmyhbXrTbl3fm+Rfw4o+dJ16U=; b=iPJqpRK//ALIuhSrssq3jGJlKUkw+mbsQsQlLiTeSsgGzjzV7vIQHmQ2o+0MlYGfS9 lWpGBEYdI54ikhK+7kn/mRLSBVvep6iUxzpGyHQPnwNYVTMcZxHLxNxcilhA4ANJRxbW xzxBrn7d8CzvYS5HcWbVZmBraViD3K7W8h+iDJWYENt8DxzXt62wrqNxR3ur9bnr6Hij tOc+ajfdondFlSvV7e8CMTS0yS0MnIXCw1IVhoaRyWtbMGJhkffFbJE5xoB4403rL9J9 uwqhNrZaTxIdMoJ8WAB4lNv1NQEfRfTJ9Nnc85ctCW9ShOkDmvjqNDkqoK7qLH+DqMew fTXw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkdIRm/Uo2dRCt1MTpMld7/aJ62gJxJlTdBMa76k6VKFIjGnXKdtUbP2o6ok3KgT2BzcERN MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.22.110 with SMTP id c14mr791628vdf.28.1381764859050; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.112.83 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131014161206.c4bda8cf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131013172430.71AA26018E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20131014040742.d03fa5bd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014072118.8a49bd58.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131014161206.c4bda8cf.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:34:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinstall without reformat From: Michael Sierchio To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:34:26 -0000 The brutal and brute-force approach can work - better if you boot from a USB stick, of course. You can untar base.tzx and kernel.tzx in your /, with filesystems mounted. As Polytropon says, do a backup of what you'll want afterwards. This approach will leave a lot of cruft (old versions of shared libraries, etc.), but will certainly work. Grab the distribution from (in this case, the example is for 9.2, i386) ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/9.2-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:34:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9656AEB for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com (mail-wi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43ECD2547 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h11so2491472wiv.12 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pIWReXEBcucP2yIIXiHxniy+rPplZ1zwyx/wLXEYtB8=; b=GqXwWsGE+n0AD/oy41XdU+UGaZjusaznzKRoVLCXkie9pg53+jprRv1v2QonWJ/Gw8 PdA3+yMJmwHIkWqFDkAaC9DrLLFx3lOXihxuVL3vPGW2pGFCmkdja9kIwXRoEMrcwuKO 7R1s1MDqEyAYjjKnTft0glPeStpXdY0yhCWNzq3HLMmz8SNLx3F3zL4rMwbPytKGf9Vo IV4XKOpVFq4+PoXfJve98h2zXmdT2J0OGpP3VO7GDS91OuTbm9Y0fPZYJXY4XBj3gD78 KHUhSvBn5XNJcq48RMsxFRF+/RhOZL9HBKWE0BmGdQf9Lf00ZRE32k22TmaqeO0cl+td jfIQ== X-Received: by 10.194.201.202 with SMTP id kc10mr30265069wjc.1.1381768489690; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (171.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id om10sm35847539wic.5.2013.10.14.09.34.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:34:51 -0000 On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 > Michael Powell wrote: > >> David Demelier wrote: >> >>> Hello there, >>> >>> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on >>> my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly >>> but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was >>> unable to log in. >>> >>> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd >>> but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... >>> >>> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate >>> files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. > > The journalling in SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity. > > When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to > leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may > lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to > be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple > performance. > > If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or > zfs instead. Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover your data. I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. > If you look back at the lists before these were added > there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks. > Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives > incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know > whether this is still the case. > > >> This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat >> disconcerting. > > I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would > (if you were looking) occasionally see "unexpected soft-update > inconsistency" during the background check, which would lead to a > foreground check on the next boot. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:35:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C365BB97 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjpugmed@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-x243.google.com (mail-ve0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84007255D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f195.google.com with SMTP id c14so7709vea.2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eWyU4WIWXjqrLrucKHqltwq7oIBUFe4LfiCsToBTfOg=; b=dV1XDjIDK1kTlns0maG5M85J6u+zkgS+mnAtOfuexD14zp6SRpLV53ysP7ThU5Us/+ aRQbrw7OqQv+cNe1RNKMMQYpUMuH+88DuogjcVzEbQaG3oJTXThya+Yqjc5fP/mN8W/H fK0fpPMinPaO77EN/MUyJzd5CKiSjQUNfLHleKH2bnAXdnr0EbAI2NcFMMjjL0GfFR+d saJTJ4kFGujvbw+o7VT6jH252Qa+2eyx/m5xaxKjLBhU9oQt7x9F0VSUSs//RZeSdwGc DuiU9Y1LL+oosvN62ISsg9tSiQRmg2X/pdY/rHihAGkbGXA63vzqThKWoaDZdTxJwIgV coHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.27.243 with SMTP id w19mr29063468vdg.3.1381768549449; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.1.17 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf From: Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:35:50 -0000 Hi people, I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with other examples or experienced users. Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) variables. % uname -a FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 03:52:52 UTC 2013 root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 % dmesg | grep CPU CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) cpu0: on acpi0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 % dmesg | grep memory real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 42- vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' 43: device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' 44- class = network 45- subclass = ethernet My /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 I will appreciate any input about the subject. --CJPM [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning [4] http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:40:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0A7CBC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-x22b.google.com (mail-qe0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E56925D4 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f43.google.com with SMTP id nc12so5439927qeb.30 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tvEBaN2sRMlI/vsIerewTpoQEs3zWr5k95AVqPzxsy4=; b=CUds8mphlKA2l590atbzN9MZvlBTOSKMlpyMA0UdKtv1aQl1c6RP9iu4hDcJnErzvh OUpuhF3WsKObptQYXs3eky9RxhMJiQc02G0vjqd9ZVrG4TqDSQrqJobb7jZnS1AMvDCc IPds2MipKX/gOCI3y9zhPWCfox0OZx61wwDdevHUF0ZzRQUAY2zgmJbBqdNlXYKBqhUM EeLQBB75y0E3NkDrnt0FM/ZsiZ99iaervZjd8kXuAQJWdvs8sbp92OA2DNzhuJBq3UXt dKp9nlXeVjzoRWSxRUGG+V5T2b3KJwy1RXVKLXYzJw5wLID6bUd1oheDw0o1Dehq6+7P hwXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.161.83 with SMTP id q19mr3614588qax.92.1381768858351; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.16.170 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:40:58 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m2XQfX3L0WKvVj709LdkLlD-wBA Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: CeDeROM To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:40:59 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM, David Demelier wrote: > Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file > system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? > > On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover > your data. > > I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the > default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct > way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. Agree :-) SU+J also seems to cause problems on SSD drives: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-February/016420.html -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:47:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CA1FD4 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com (mail-pa0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 125C2263D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb1so7777614pad.37 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zaXIx8FgKFdWsBof2+ZqhSuYTaGnFgVhzSF2wbbnETc=; b=JAyXl7FCB7hOscq6CbnWXBVACn7rqtlroOHzc0aszP3Y+scA1Sl0CKbiGY6QsDI3T9 7Bl3yLXN8LvWMC7So0rhjzzoslOqUcUzj+nxwNR/BoSx3keCE56tH7/tkjSCnWTgFRQu TC52xHunyaBakqryD+G72UBfuWPtTvKsgPIjQBixaaGuQN57Ra5v5lNvMCQ1cr86VISA /ruh9tNhb2ElK+Sskrm2VDCrCI0SBt/i2Tt+LpvJYiHgHeVdvg6emiJlUywOO8rh7SYw eJEn/wAGSnpfaZ6OMec3d6mTJekIJYkHjmLPHZRbEaphlb6FVfOTg82oWIczMrCDJgOO rEpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.225.232 with SMTP id rn8mr36486628pbc.32.1381769226987; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> References: <525A6831.5070402@gmail.com> <20131014133953.58f74659@gumby.homeunix.com> <525C1D1C.9050708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure From: Adam Vande More To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:47:08 -0000 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier wrote: > > Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file > system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? > As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are committed to disk in the event of a power outage. On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover > your data. > This is complete garbage when using default settings as you imply below. The default for ext3 on basically every distro still using ext3 is an ordered journal and don't even get started on ext4. NTFS by default can/will also lose data on a power outage. > I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the > default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct > way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. > There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html The behavior you wish would slow down disk writes by an order of magnitude and is already available to users willing to use non-default settings. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 14 16:50:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB161158 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB8BE2694 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ii20so2556405qab.17 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZHHxfFsNd9QfiJGx8nuZRnU3zJhFdAwXmIcTTYbDPHo=; b=e5I+fSpXCjGZQLZq/LOPB6IEEyZ7AheD1sYe5wFPkSoKwngIJCHVliT5mmVRyN7AfC hKYrGZ87jFPtghvxGQuDyDf6Wnn/VP/phOxbVB7RDmQsdZdicFjIHftOHTuIfrVvASJH Jd/WEvkRPXhY9mua9oqlNRp33LT/Yy0DY74sKsV0/XXorJ1ZMa5kmq/+X4KlgP4AYQMF uce9mycTUFK/xdHjNSPS8X0q80+2BwEk+A5sMi+o0v0cA3ymQOTyG+6qb4lS6F+BLiz/ 5rZSYgLBvGJfiD+W2ZVuFK+caicpCobIugW7fe12w/Vc5paahdezD8HrGS3VfRZt9t4N vo2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.65.201 with SMTP id k9mr39415579qci.11.1381