From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 19 03:23:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C4816A400 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0485F13C44C for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:32209 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HT8T1-00026M-Dn for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:23:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22AD456F9; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:20:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:19:03 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: DS@praxisvermittlung24.de Message-ID: <20070319021903.6e6b93b4@localhost> In-Reply-To: <45FDC2AE.6010608@praxisvermittlung24.de> References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317221241.13cb1429@localhost> <45FDC2AE.6010608@praxisvermittlung24.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_nn.sH1mG3Z/xa=gBzU2mUcZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:23:29 -0000 --Sig_nn.sH1mG3Z/xa=gBzU2mUcZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:52:30 +0100 Daniel Seuffert wrote: > Jona Joachim schrieb: > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav) wrote: > >=20 > >> Jan Husar writes: > >>> Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > >>>> OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > >>>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > >>> What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! > >> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the > >> law. > >=20 > > What makes you say they violated the law? I'm quite sure some > > people of the FreeBSD Foundation were shown this before it was made > > public. > >=20 > > Jona >=20 >=20 > Sure, allBSD has permission to use the Freebsd logo etc. and we use it > on labels, flyers etc. for years and we are following every advice Deb > Godkin has given us and I frequently mail him to take care everything > is done according to the policy the FreeBSD foundation has. >=20 > If somebody is irritated here: Yes, FreeBSD uses Blobs, but a lot of > people don't think this is a good idea (to promote that use). This > campaign is about telling people why Blobs are bad and why we need > support for freely available documentation. The upcoming flyer will > explain all the details. This poster is just the beginning please > don't forget. >=20 > Nobody told you Blobs are forbidden or FreeBSD should abandon all > Blobs etc. You are the user, you are the one responsible for your > machines. If you want to use Blobs please use them. That's the Free > in FreeBSD contrary to the policy of OpenBSD and nobody wants to > change that ;-) Hi Daniel! I followed the discussion on openbsd-misc, that's why I started this thread, to hear what the FreeBSD folks have to say about it. It's really unfortunate that FreeBSD-GENERIC ships with that whole bunch of blobs IMHO. Open source projects that distribute proprietary software bite their own tail. I think we agree on the fact that blobs are bad and a lot of other FreeBSD users share that same opinion. It would be interesting to hear what the leaders of the projects have to say about this. Is it more important to support hardware than to claim the right for free documentation? Are there other interests involved? Finally I'd like to remind everyone of the fact that not buying undocumented hardware is a good way to fight it. Regards, Jona --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_nn.sH1mG3Z/xa=gBzU2mUcZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF/eUIB0JBR/6d8XQRAtKDAJ9LKuGQxmwa3U+X8RlWBYhE4jZzdwCcCyto ZnmTnfX9VophGzAdrquPDYw= =FWMT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_nn.sH1mG3Z/xa=gBzU2mUcZ--