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Date:      Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:11:36 +0200
From:      Stefan Esser <se@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
Cc:        Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>, costa@inner.cortx.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: sd0 timed out while idle
Message-ID:  <19970709191136.54842@mi.uni-koeln.de>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95q.970707154705.16975G-100000@misery.sdf.com>; from Tom Samplonius on Mon, Jul 07, 1997 at 03:49:57PM -0700
References:  <19970707214908.44376@mi.uni-koeln.de> <Pine.BSF.3.95q.970707154705.16975G-100000@misery.sdf.com>

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On Jul 7, Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Stefan Esser wrote:

> > The "NCR controllers" ???
> > They don't exist ... :)
> 
>   Sure do.  Symbios has come down to my place and re-labeled my controlor,
> and until they do, it will remain a NCR810.

No, what I meant was, that NCR SCSI cards (the name I use 
myself for all NCR/Symbios 53c8xx based cards) are not that 
similar, if you look at them in sufficient detail ...

Sure, there are the original NCR brand cards, but they are
only a small fraction of all "NCR SCSI" cards installed.
(I guess most are from ASUS, with NCR/Symbios second, and
companies using the 53c875 for their high end (and other 
vendors' chips for non-Ultra cards) like Tekram following.)

> > In fact, there are several independently developed BIOS
> > versions offered with the various brands of NCR chip, 
> > and even my (2.5 year old) ASUS SP3G lets you specify
> > an additional power on delay ...
> 
>   I have a ASUS 3P3G too, and had to lengthen the delay for the 4 drives
> I put on the internal SCSI bus.

Yes, my point was that this is possible by choosing the
appropriate delay in the BIOS ...

> > >   Quatum drives are known to go on a holiday after some continuous use.
> > > Grand Prix drives are particularly bad.  In fact, I think the Atlas is the
> > > only respectible Quantum drive.
> > 
> > How about the quality of the Atlas II and the Viking ?
> > I don't really understand, why they offer two 7200RPM
> > drives, again. Reminds me of the Atlas/Grand Prix ...
> 
>   The writing is on the wall for the Atlas II, now that the Atlas III is
> available.

I've seen the specs of the Atlas III, and they look very
convincing (near Cheetah performance at 7200RPM and thus
less noisy and running cooler), but I thought they were
only available much later.

Can you really buy an Atlas III today ???

Regards, STefan



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