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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t67sm10869554qka.17.2020.05.12.04.11.25 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 04:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Lw984FwFz1V9y for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lw9C5q34z44cp X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=GMSm71Vk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::744 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.01), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:11:28 -0000 --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 12:04:27 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/8/20 10:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > >[ c u t ] > >> Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing >> and support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my >> stuff" or "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we >> would not have such problems like the videoconferencing just showed >> up two days ago. >>=20 >> I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand >> and push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a >> bit of support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works >> but I send good wishes so it happens :-) =20 > >I do not insist using Open Source or open standards everywhere, I'm not >idealist. The problem with Microsoft is they tell everyone you can you >their services over the web, which is not true... I pay for the service >but can't use it - that's sick. I would understand if desktop >application would be the only solution to use the service, but it's >not. Why MacOS is supported and everything can work here? Same case >with Netflix - I pay for the service, it's web-based but there is no >DRM plugins for our environment, so you can't use it. If there would >be an app and that would be the only way to use the service - it's >fair. > >The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, >is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary >to people? I'm sure this is the best community willing to help, but I'm >also sure there is plenty of Linuxism in our world and it can be the >problem.... Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for >software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for >FreeBSD. As for the first part of your question, are you using? I assume you did check out this URL: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/get-clients It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. Maybe FreeBSD did something to piss Google off. I don't know or care. The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. To address the second portion of your post, I had a telephone conversation several years ago with a technician from 'Brother USA.' Yes, it regarded printer support. I wanted to know precisely why they wrote drivers, etcetera for Linus, Debian, Mac, and I think one other besides mobile. In any case, he told me he uses Linux at home and likes it. He went on to say to me that writing for FreeBSD is not easy because: 1) They don't follow standards. I assume he meant 'Linux" standards, so I didn't press the issue. 2) He claimed that the expense of maintaining a complete set of tools for FreeBSD would not be cost-effective. He said that it had been determined that FreeBSD was too much of a niche operation to make it profitable. 3) He also went on to say that FreeBSD, when compared to Microsoft or Linux or MAC, was considered too decentralized. While I realize that your problem does not pertain to printer support, I believe my answer does, at least to some extent, attempt to address your concerns. As I stated in a previous reply to one of your posts, if you are willing to create a detailed report of the problems you are having and the applications you are using, version numbers, etcetera, I will be happy to forward it onto the MS Teams technical support crew, assuming you do not want to do so yourself. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl66hFUACgkQOHMGOIfe xWROmwf+M16q62zLa7osBz5SCpFLBmENVW/T3SaOL2I2RapqXcfqaFWiawfcHQvN 0JpsO0Grc4tRym1VOvtELtrmcIluMeNuC2cBSC0GyuN9qXI6oH5UUMbFuQvs3rZE WO5FU9qHxG6Gesqpcez0tdJVkRitrA1oHmGQ9nZ7DG8nfU9EI0b6jH6Y70dDqYXw ELnRiXTn6H/hEbKzCjdzjl/Szz2mKZ0VyrpZsQJIf7mewPLf/Q0Arxz4IxNCuOSN a4UOczco0Yxv5o2qpYyKpRS8urkRNsa/+v6II3L4Z2tKfjZYmRJORhf3AqrYPtoW /oyoJat5Y1IB//zmkzZQMwdejXC+Kw== =fzGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry--