From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 00:18:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDBA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6613C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from c-68-49-149-185.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([68.49.149.185] helo=schnarff.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQBlP-0001cr-6v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:18:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 28948 invoked by uid 67); 11 Mar 2007 00:18:14 -0000 Received: from 192.168.2.68 ([192.168.2.68]) by mail.schnarff.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:18:14 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.49.149.185 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: schnarff Message-ID: <20070310191814.l15cskkoqsgsosks@mail.schnarff.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:18:14 -0500 From: alex@schnarff.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> In-Reply-To: <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:16 -0000 Quoting Beech Rintoul : > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > On Saturday 10 March 2007 12:52, Wojciech Puchar said: >> can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through >> telnet and without telneting to some user and then su - >> ? >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your address and > set the root password to nothing. It's only going to take a cracker a > couple of minutes or less to own your server once they find you (and > they will). In fact, it's such a bad idea that there's a Snort rule for it (and a really old one at that): alert tcp $TELNET_SERVERS 23 -> $EXTERNAL_NET any (msg:"TELNET root login"; flow :from_server,established; content:"login|3A| root"; classtype:suspicious-login; sid:719; rev:7;) Of course, if you really want to do this, I agree with everyone else -- just put your IP on this list, and we'll help you right on out. :-) Alex Kirk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 00:18:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5048816A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED9213C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [216.218.220.25] (216-218-220-25.argonblue.net [216.218.220.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2B0IRjK077732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <45F34AD0.5040904@enabled.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:18:24 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Ragona References: <45F3422D.4030005@enabled.com> <45F34336.1040400@enabled.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: installing 6.2 from external USB DVD-ROM drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:30 -0000 how do I identify the filesystem and/or device that the cdrom is considered? Cheers, Noah Derek Ragona wrote: > If you boot then exit sysinstall to a prompt, try to mount the external > drive. If you can mount it, then rerun sysinstall and choose to install > from a mounted file system instead. > > -Derek > > At 05:45 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >> More details: >> >> I am able to boot and get to the installation utility but when I go to >> "choose installation media" and choose "CD/DVD" the response is "No >> CD/DVD devices found!" >> >> what can I do about this? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Noah >> >> >> Noah wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> is there a way to install FreeBSD from an external USB DVD-ROM drive? >>> I am at a loss of how to do it. >>> Cheers, >>> Noah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for > their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 00:19:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC00916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9409713C4A3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [216.218.220.25] (216-218-220-25.argonblue.net [216.218.220.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2B0JNX1077751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <45F34B08.9040406@enabled.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:19:20 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Ragona References: <45F3422D.4030005@enabled.com> <45F34336.1040400@enabled.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: installing 6.2 from external USB DVD-ROM drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:19:25 -0000 if I attempt to exit sysinstall then it says the only other option is to reboot. Derek Ragona wrote: > If you boot then exit sysinstall to a prompt, try to mount the external > drive. If you can mount it, then rerun sysinstall and choose to install > from a mounted file system instead. > > -Derek > > At 05:45 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >> More details: >> >> I am able to boot and get to the installation utility but when I go to >> "choose installation media" and choose "CD/DVD" the response is "No >> CD/DVD devices found!" >> >> what can I do about this? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Noah >> >> >> Noah wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> is there a way to install FreeBSD from an external USB DVD-ROM drive? >>> I am at a loss of how to do it. >>> Cheers, >>> Noah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for > their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FBD16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon-bsd@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39C113C442 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon-bsd@comcast.net) Received: from [24.3.82.205] (c-24-3-82-205.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.82.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20070311011206m1400fqc07e>; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 Message-ID: <45F35767.7040905@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:12:07 -0500 From: Jon Wolfgang User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6660f1280703101251w1fac7df7xc1d0eb23b22dafc9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703101251w1fac7df7xc1d0eb23b22dafc9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: searching archives broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 -0000 Ed Zwart wrote: > Hi there, I'm new to the list, and have been trying to search the > archives at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/. No > matter what I search for, I get no results (even one-word searches > that should definitely have hits; eg, 'mail', 'hostname', etc). > > I want to search the archives before asking the group, but the archive > is way too large to make browsing feasible. Is search broken, or am I > missing something? > > e. I have noticed this too. The "fix" I found is changing the search field from "all" to "recent". For example, if I search for "mount", and search all, nothing is displayed. However, searching for "mount" with recent selected, returns results. I think it has to do with how many results it finds. Hope this helps, Jon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A179A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDD013C494 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2B1a4dq042186; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:36:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2B1a45G042185; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:36:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:36:04 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Roofscum614@aol.com Message-ID: <20070311013604.GA42165@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:39:10 -0000 On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 09:36:14PM -0500, Roofscum614@aol.com wrote: > hi i am doing a project for school: > > find an alternative operating system - one that will run my computer > without Windows being installed. The cheaper the better (Hint start your > search with the word "free"). Find out what the software does, what > applications it supports (e.g., will it run Microsoft Office), how much it > costs. You have found a good one. You need to go to the FreeBSD web site www.freebsd.org and do a lot of reading, both the handbook and the FAQ as well as other sites that are pointed to. FreeBSD is indeen free to download and use. You would need to burn your own installation CD (disk1). Optionally, there are a couple of companies who make up a package of pre-burned CDs and a printed handbook and sell them for a nominal price - and most donate a small part of that to the FreeBSD foundation.. FreeBSD has more than 10,000 software utilities that have been ported to run on it. Check our ports on the FreeBSD web site. It does not run Microsoft software directly, but many of those ports are worthy substitutes for the MSU software. For example, there is a package called 'Openoffice' that does most of the stuff MS Office can do. It's word processor is called swriter and can read and/or create files in MS-Word format as well as some others. It has a spread sheet, and presentation (power point) utility, etc. There are even desktop oriented window managers such as KDe if you must have all the pointy-clicky stuff (prefer a command line interface for most thing so don't bother with KDE). But, you must know that even though you can get a lot of questions answered here, you must do the work yourself. FreeBSD is not oriented toward preventing you from learning things and managing your own machine like some Northwest USA companies seem to want to do. That takes some effort, but results in a more powerful environment once you get things under control. So, download the ISO, burn it and install it and start esperimenting and learning and doing some actual computer work. ////jerry > > > does your OS relate to this project? any help would be appreciated. > > thank you > tom gunderman >


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Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:51:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1EA16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF8B13C49D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2B1m6RK042261; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:48:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2B1m6IR042260; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:48:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:48:06 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Dima Sorkin Message-ID: <20070311014806.GA42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh login as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:51:11 -0000 On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 05:55:54PM +0200, Dima Sorkin wrote: > Hi. > It _seems_ that FreeBSD does not allow root to login remotely via ssh. > I can miss something, but if I right, how > do I allow it ? You can change the config file to allow it, but that is considered poor security. The thing to do is to create a non-root account to log in to and add that id to the wheel group in /etc/group file. Then log in as that user and su to root only for those things that need root. ////jerry > > Thanks and regards, > Dima. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:54:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C159B16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A3613C49D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2B1p01Q042282; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:51:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2B1p0GR042281; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:51:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:51:00 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Dima Sorkin Message-ID: <20070311015100.GB42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <3FCB18F9-CBF6-4D14-AD0F-92658914454E@rottnic.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh login as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:54:05 -0000 On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 06:43:43PM +0200, Dima Sorkin wrote: > Hi. > Actually I would prefer to do it via "su". > Here a really newbie question: > 1) How do I join regular user to 'wheel' group ? > 2) How do I join a user to some group 'some_group' ?. > Which manpage to read ? Just edit the /etc/group file - using vi probably or any other text editor. On the line that establishes the wheel group, just add the user id on the end separated with a comma. eg. add ',otherid' to the end of the line. Save (write) and quit. It is now there. ////jerry > > Thanks, > Dima. > > On 3/10/07, Guido Demmenie wrote: > > >Default setting is that root can not login via ssh (and that's how > >you want it). > >You can use su(1) to gain root privileges when loged in on your box > >with a normal > >user if needed (if you are in the group wheel). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 02:15:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85116A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-227-250.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BE413C461 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2B2Ef7F048871; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:14:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20070310201143.0251d000@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:14:28 -0600 To: Noah From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <45F34B08.9040406@enabled.com> References: <45F3422D.4030005@enabled.com> <45F34336.1040400@enabled.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> <45F34B08.9040406@enabled.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: installing 6.2 from external USB DVD-ROM drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:15:16 -0000 Usually it is: /dev/cd0 /dev/cd1 etc, depends on how many optical drives you have. In sysinstall, you can go to the index of functions and from there execute the start an emergency shell. That will start the emergency shell so you can do the manual mount on the other virtual terminal without leaving sysinstall. -Derek At 06:19 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >if I attempt to exit sysinstall then it says the only other option is to >reboot. > > >Derek Ragona wrote: >>If you boot then exit sysinstall to a prompt, try to mount the external >>drive. If you can mount it, then rerun sysinstall and choose to install >>from a mounted file system instead. >> -Derek >>At 05:45 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >>>More details: >>> >>>I am able to boot and get to the installation utility but when I go to >>>"choose installation media" and choose "CD/DVD" the response is "No >>>CD/DVD devices found!" >>> >>>what can I do about this? >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Noah >>> >>> >>>Noah wrote: >>>>Hi there, >>>>is there a way to install FreeBSD from an external USB DVD-ROM drive? >>>>I am at a loss of how to do it. >>>>Cheers, >>>>Noah >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>>-- >>>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>believed to be clean. >>>MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. >>-- This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >>believed to be clean. >>MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for >>their support. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 02:21:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0168716A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4C313C442 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1450275nfc for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EvpPY4+pEYHjgtZ8A7PP+FZKw0GRC219VoMr7ivi0dZHjEocvnPmAMCrx6SExI+Vyx+T/9llnVRuw36+lAjCjidmMnui9WTgFQ2Fy4aEyWrVEmZXBB8fhhi2Da5X5nbNbiBRiI4hgRjZNsFvKLyWyjVsbtRnzsrSP+Uq/MVtArk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QbLG0M73edYMXj30wh5/cByOH9heomkA+Zp676Ptt+kQ8VmBl23mPwufOsNYrFI5m4fZpSgqaR2m+TFNcVeyamIzFi0WBCvHbPswOt/Zd/njqbkTybVQdOYyfpRbBdjLHy/b8SK2fIMC9UCSi/1eNdK2GhGdIlzHZI5eXgS1+e8= Received: by 10.82.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr5803058bue.1173579692387; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.185.13 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6660f1280703101821s4390d297ga416edb9d6a03fa4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 From: "Ed Zwart" To: "Jon Wolfgang" In-Reply-To: <45F35767.7040905@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6660f1280703101251w1fac7df7xc1d0eb23b22dafc9@mail.gmail.com> <45F35767.7040905@comcast.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching archives broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:21:34 -0000 Jon, where are you searching from? The link I gave in my initial question does not have the 'recent' limiter you mentioned. thanks e. On 3/10/07, Jon Wolfgang wrote: > Ed Zwart wrote: > > Hi there, I'm new to the list, and have been trying to search the > > archives at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/. No > > matter what I search for, I get no results (even one-word searches > > that should definitely have hits; eg, 'mail', 'hostname', etc). > > > > I want to search the archives before asking the group, but the archive > > is way too large to make browsing feasible. Is search broken, or am I > > missing something? > > > > e. > I have noticed this too. The "fix" I found is changing the search field > from "all" to "recent". For example, if I search for "mount", and > search all, nothing is displayed. However, searching for "mount" with > recent selected, returns results. I think it has to do with how many > results it finds. Hope this helps, > Jon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 04:33:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060E016A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B949913C428 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1806378wri for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oF+riK3TlVwT1hJxTQBQyUNMJkUJbrtIyYsoNKhUxiMMDUzzbAfBPeDGtH9l9GsUq1B6B+Zw8g+lh4YyA64z+kiy5vRoHX5ODFfirWmAD1MvQOBqXYe/ToOdInEoxBwuQlhzIMc65EjJ1Va4TCEBaqVZU+TqCBPBFGtMxqrXE1I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GKI4eyDJiHxb0ZjnHWU68W+xoxSlcYyoG6+aBM//JRCOcX/ZI+FIQaJcWSnP4mrHxN4f5dQ7cUwnp7iaTed8K968tTeQlPFNhj6dYidl+hRkPsG4Aq3duOf9W+ovVtAmkDQT2P3LyJfrvYKN4VoylM7+PC92npauAxVIav6s4os= Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr1844575agb.1173587619010; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:33:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:03:38 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:33:40 -0000 Dear Friends, Am a beginner to *BSD OS. Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( No GUI required ) Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + PostgreSQL Which os Will be the BEST ? A) Debian Linux B) OpenBSD C) FreeBSD Which project has good Support and Active Development ? Please help me to choose THANKS IN ADVANCE SUSANTH K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 04:37:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0231A16A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (omr7.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E5013C48E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr7.mgt.hosting.dc2.netsol.com [10.49.6.70]) by omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2B4bkom029271 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:37:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 1203 invoked by uid 78); 11 Mar 2007 04:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.200?) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.184.254) by ns-omr7.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 04:37:46 -0000 Message-ID: <45F38795.1020001@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:37:41 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susanth K References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:37:50 -0000 Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD D) The one you prefer... Let's not have this war... Ok? The best OS is the one that works for YOU.... -- Best regards, Chris Subject to change without notice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 04:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C83D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F0B13C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from [192.168.1.29] (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FBB5C1F; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:58:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <45F38C87.80901@hdk5.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:58:47 -1000 From: NetOps Center User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susanth K References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:58:49 -0000 Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD > > Which project has good Support and Active Development ? > > Please help me to choose > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > > > SUSANTH K > _______________________________________________ I have used FreeBSD since version 3.* in the 1990's. I have used Linux but I still use FreeBSD (version 6* and 7*) on servers and some desktops. It is rock solid. If you learn it, and like it use it by all means. The support from the world wide mailing list of users is the best. > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii > 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + noc@hdk5.net + > + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* + > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 05:07:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59F016A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE1E13C48D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1728561ugh for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:07:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jwAZQOoG5OlXqwfO3M0os6nx3g6NsBNYxH6LVkiIh9dtCwCfJXm8BZBiQB5oHU/QXFqtboTyBNF5raseFdTAGDaSH+a/DeOB8eYB5HGOvMDjEG4dzm5NsmTDBVt7401sxpOFv8ofHDz9VwoaujtR2gZ4G+ZOezSbdH51Jf6g76w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M4yV2yyZQhkNPr/vcwfYo4GhZk5ox+e71iE7JKtr7fhFDT9BDZAKfZVwlHTGiR4OAFrsieJ91DHAxVEi0jg6IFO0ihSoy+UuqPgKB7dTzF6FsrWc3WlAl21+CzK+GJwjB9eG09cMAhYqmDqWqK3Kf6ITw8kzduoYS7tMA6IiQho= Received: by 10.114.137.2 with SMTP id k2mr695026wad.1173589667879; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.148.18 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:07:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <499c70c0703102107v23120c3fu1584a8c7ea43fb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:07:47 +0300 From: "Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri" To: "Susanth K" In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703101006k78f29333s168cf93d9451d465@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6faf55220703101006k78f29333s168cf93d9451d465@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The MySQL Low Performance in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:07:50 -0000 On 3/10/07, Susanth K wrote: > Hai Every One, > > Do The Low Performance of MySQL on FreeBSD Still Exists ? ( in FreeBSD6.2 ) > > Please HELP > > SUSANTH K since FreeBSD 6.0 and using libthr instead of linuxthread, there is no low performance issues. Make sure you'll use MySQL 5.0.x from the ports instead of MySQL 4.x -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 05:10:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D03316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC9213C47E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31A02508E0; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070311051003.31A02508E0@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-02-18 - 2007-03-10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 8-Mar : Jails under FreeBSD 6 Jails are great. Here's my recipie http://freebsddiary.org/jail-6.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 05:53:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004FE16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD5313C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQGzL-0008Q7-DT; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:52:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:52:57 -0700 To: Susanth K X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:53:00 -0000 On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source > Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD For what you are doing, any of them would work. All are well supported and have active development. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 06:48:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BDE16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DD113C474 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from [218.16.58.208] (helo=munin.tcaportal.com) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1HQHqi3Ijj-0005G8; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:48:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.101] (unknown [125.93.192.159]) by munin.tcaportal.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A44A6C60 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:45:19 +0800 (HKT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7C9498EE-32A1-4F4A-B70C-B7AB6EA4731E@tca-cable-connector.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Questions From: David Schulz Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:47:49 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:1405312fe15d228f5bad0d2fcbb6dc17 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX19tX69B67oILwR4Py/GSx9Uq+MFcn+CRmp6IPm oA6PsYGXRlPAp3JkdgAmFnAuMO/CaqbNzYUCecaqeOqEDfGVe2 N25W0mEBu1UoM+Q4cjtYw== Cc: Subject: some advice on sysctl tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:48:12 -0000 Hello all, i have a Server which does mail, and web+mysql+php. I have about 15 vhosts in Apache. Are there some neat sysctl Knobs i can turn to avoid potential Problems? Thanks a lot, David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:02:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE00A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8912D13C467 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B72qJ7002399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:02:52 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.42] (c-67-187-172-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.187.172.183]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B72oiT003728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:02:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:02:48 -0800 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.3.10.225433 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:02:52 -0000 Just bought and built a new PC, comes with an Conroe-based Core 2 Duo, Realtek 8169 Gigabit chipset, JbMicron PATA / SATA RAID controller, and the like. Now, I can boot up the FreeBSD livecd perfectly fine, but when it comes to adding the interface the driver isn't present (although it is available if one compiles the kernel with the proper driver), and if I do install the system it fails to properly detect the root devices at boot (something to do with the RAID setup or numbering drives I believe). So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). As a wonderful sidenote, for kicks I tried to install Vista and I must say that it sucks.. blue screens / locks up every time I have a session open. This year is a year for Unix to come back because I sense a lot of bad problems for Windows / MS on the horizon.. Cheers and thanks! -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:10:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED3016A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C683713C441 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1486165nfc for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hJ7AnHnniOw8QK8foHe92V2KQNchRAHWOel0egx+9B9yMAf13WwPgVLjRmB5XwuSGQ8P+iiYl9YsZ3ZkviVCw9MNYsbjpKnOCy/uiNA360v0VzRDi27C91set6Ekteoz03u+TMHKSrvJ0tZo91mqZgFKiI6wJpJlhv9iHIyaySo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CCuANxTqrl02iX5/GHusktwJ98cRYuAv1QucV4awpAVn0HjO8FZrzM9t7zRwjAkmPB9P6WthIE6hlqfFzyYgSG2vUU+ZJFkWze530AQpxmCvqRJFI36XIiIK8hQ/53r/bLEnqHHq/LsB/dRytndeH5iy1EXQKM7dFJnPz7eHAyg= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr5882687buc.1173597035867; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.163.14 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0703102310ydac5ea1u95a24dd66b650a13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:35 -0800 From: "Josh Carroll" To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh.carroll@psualum.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:10:37 -0000 > So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if > someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available > somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 > other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). There are 7.0-CURRENT snapshots available on ftp.freebsd.org, for example: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200703/7.0-CURRENT-200703-amd64-disc1.iso Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:11:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C969916A405 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BEC13C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7Ba0T066499; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:11:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7BZxO066488; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:11:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:11:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20070310225536.GA47985@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20070311081118.C66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703100845u62eab431y3a16ae0d8cb3bba7@mail.gmail.com> <55D533EB-26F9-40B7-838B-8BCB9D0A9463@tca-cable-connector.com> <20070310223906.E8914@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070310225536.GA47985@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David Schulz , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:38 -0000 >> to be clear. >> >> kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor, >> everything else on any CPU. > > This is incorrect for approximately the last 7 years (it is only true > for FreeBSD 4.x and below). > > Kris > hmm.. nice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:11:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1343B16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23CE13C461 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2B7BCFZ027549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:11:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id l2B7BCAD027548; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:11:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:11:12 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Garrett Cooper Message-ID: <20070311071112.GS86959@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:41 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 10), Garrett Cooper said: > Just bought and built a new PC, comes with an Conroe-based Core 2 > Duo, Realtek 8169 Gigabit chipset, JbMicron PATA / SATA RAID > controller, and the like. Now, I can boot up the FreeBSD livecd > perfectly fine, but when it comes to adding the interface the driver > isn't present (although it is available if one compiles the kernel > with the proper driver), and if I do install the system it fails to > properly detect the root devices at boot (something to do with the > RAID setup or numbering drives I believe). > > So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if > someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available > somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 > other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). CDs for current are available at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ ; pick the latest dated subdirectory. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:13:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D5416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D50213C481 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7DIJx066662; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7DH8q066659; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:17 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Kevin Kinsey In-Reply-To: <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> Message-ID: <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:13:22 -0000 > > Err, sure; and for completeness, be sure and send the IP back to this list, > and publish it on the front page of your website/blog/whatnot. and what if i will? do you know my root password? > > OK, cynicism aside, why on earth would you want to do this? That's a fool's > errand in today's world. Or, are you on a 2-machine network via crossover if you can't answer the question, just shut up. EOT From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:16:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC8C16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293213C4A7 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7Gigj067054 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7GihF067051 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:44 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> Message-ID: <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:16:46 -0000 > can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through telnet and > without telneting to some user and then su - > ? > > with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very "intelligent" comments? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:22:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BBA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F46513C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9] (may be forged)) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7MChh027877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:22:12 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.42] (c-67-187-172-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.187.172.183]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7MCwt026719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:22:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070311071112.GS86959@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20070311071112.GS86959@dan.emsphone.com> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:22:10 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.3.10.230933 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:22:13 -0000 On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Mar 10), Garrett Cooper said: >> Just bought and built a new PC, comes with an Conroe-based Core 2 >> Duo, Realtek 8169 Gigabit chipset, JbMicron PATA / SATA RAID >> controller, and the like. Now, I can boot up the FreeBSD livecd >> perfectly fine, but when it comes to adding the interface the driver >> isn't present (although it is available if one compiles the kernel >> with the proper driver), and if I do install the system it fails to >> properly detect the root devices at boot (something to do with the >> RAID setup or numbering drives I believe). >> >> So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if >> someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available >> somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 >> other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). > > CDs for current are available at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ ; pick the latest dated > subdirectory. > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com Oh nice! Thanks (both of you) guys! -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:25:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3814416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E186B13C474 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2B7PBVE057648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:25:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id l2B7PABw057647; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:25:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:25:10 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Kelly Jones Message-ID: <20070311072510.GT86959@dan.emsphone.com> References: <26face530703101126td84a6foa8d6bea2d5a13fd2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26face530703101126td84a6foa8d6bea2d5a13fd2@mail.gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD equivalents of hwclock and adjtimex? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:25:27 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 10), Kelly Jones said: > What are the FreeBSD equivalents of hwclock (view/set the BIOS > hardware clock) and adjtimex (adjust clock speed)? I couldn't find > these two well-known Linux commands in ports? FreeBSD sets the hardware clock whenever settimeofday() is called (unless the sysctl machdep.disable_rtc_set is set). I don't think there's a way to retrieve the current hardware clock settings from userland. Linux's adjtimex(2) is called ntp_adjtime(2) in FreeBSD. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:31:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB5216A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF1E13C4B6 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1823785wri for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CihCxRyU8tU55oj/m/+X2NfWxPdwKq0tTKR9X13V1xW2qtrOKTKPzKS+TdDOGZPfaAyvwWvbqcQnfci/9DQnccTXIr7OgKAN2IPhGI37x1vzUx6cDSewDvFOF6Syr4vKZDavF56tXf686BcYPJPjcl5gfB3soEf51tGlmC5o02E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=D4c5ppN4fiNC0rO3rkso38Pg9nphBlPOlGEA0QlQHPGHmH9VwC7QwsRz1kzlCx5I+r78scNtQFtA2AEvpHmp0s876bkhvV0pWGuoRd9dYFdVP/yShYrqwplIfAixuv7YVfG4tlDGdaIBb47ohTLsHUGZZ4enGsQdO4019tD8iVY= Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr1982551agb.1173598291423; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6faf55220703102331k48e2dfadmba73df423c1e05fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:01:31 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Max CPUs in SMP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:32 -0000 Which UNIX flavour supports the MAX CPS in SMP ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C607816A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A013C481 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7VYUp026139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:34 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.42] (c-67-187-172-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.187.172.183]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7VXSo032539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:32 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.3.10.231934 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:34 -0000 On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through >> telnet and without telneting to some user and then su - >> ? >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. >> > once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very > "intelligent" comments? Not sure. If I'm reading ttys(5) correctly though this is the section of interest: ``secure'' (if ``on'' is also specified) allows users with a uid of 0 to login on this line. The flag ``dialin'' indicates that a tty entry describes a dialin line, and ``network'' indicates that a tty entry pro- vides a network connection. Either of these strings may also be speci- fied in the terminal type field. The string ``window='' may be followed by a quoted command string which init(8) will execute before starting the command specified by the second field. So I think that the following would be valid (but possibly dangerous if you use other login daemons like rshd, sshd for logging in remotely); that may be fixable with a firewall though and specific rules to each daemon though. In ttys (near bottom), instead of: ttyp0 none network try: ttyp0 none network on secure and repeat for the rest of the ttys you wish to enable the option for. Why not use root login with telnet or standard getty through serial though :\? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:41:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365F516A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B23513C48E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7EYO1066800; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:14:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7EXAc066797; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:14:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:14:33 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Message-ID: <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:27 -0000 >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your address and > set the root password to nothing. It's only going to take a cracker a > couple of minutes or less to own your server once they find you (and > they will). another stupid one not answering the question. could you describe how you get my password in a couple of minutes if you are so intelligent? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:41:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FE916A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC71413C49D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7Fdls066926; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7FZ61066913; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: alex@schnarff.com In-Reply-To: <20070310191814.l15cskkoqsgsosks@mail.schnarff.com> Message-ID: <20070311081449.V66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070310191814.l15cskkoqsgsosks@mail.schnarff.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:28 -0000 > alert tcp $TELNET_SERVERS 23 -> $EXTERNAL_NET any (msg:"TELNET root login"; > flow > :from_server,established; content:"login|3A| root"; > classtype:suspicious-login; > sid:719; rev:7;) > could you please tell me who will be snorting it on MY network? > Of course, if you really want to do this, I agree with everyone else -- just > put your IP on this list, and we'll help you right on out. :-) > just answer my question, you VIM (very intelligent man). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:41:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA8116A405 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD69213C4A3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7G4IK066968; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7G4Pa066965; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:04 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20070311014806.GA42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20070311081548.K66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070311014806.GA42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Dima Sorkin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh login as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:41 -0000 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 05:55:54PM +0200, Dima Sorkin wrote: > >> Hi. >> It _seems_ that FreeBSD does not allow root to login remotely via ssh. see /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change permitroot to yes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:42:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A88616A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87F113C467 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99051A3C1C; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B68F512B3; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:42:37 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Susanth K Message-ID: <20070311074237.GA58823@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <6faf55220703102331k48e2dfadmba73df423c1e05fc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102331k48e2dfadmba73df423c1e05fc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Max CPUs in SMP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:42:39 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:01:31PM +0530, Susanth K wrote: > Which UNIX flavour supports the MAX CPS in SMP ? This isn't really a meaningful question. Do you really have a system with e.g. 1024 CPUs that you need to run an OS on? If not, what hardware are you really asking about? Kris --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF87LtWry0BWjoQKURAmgTAJ41WVTn/Vvt+dgf/UPtZcjumKfNCACgifOb CFwBxdQyw1a9spVcR7I1btk= =qU0q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 08:37:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC04E16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3B713C478 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1830324wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=REtuoloqCFKJM6aqpZvhDgB5vvhnXXaQHh5ZIaaKWRH5jRES9kloj9HHrY0ypsmaHCpRiZtqwy5sNAIsgei6iQFVc5XM6Udsfd39WkfLEkZwf/XHhyc5BnZCUS7+4VvlNZ7aMlu+ohxLxVxyuzE4MVWSebOB9yNKknIQTTu+dQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=rmeEYEMmBoSp4HVYoRt5bruyRzfxgwTdWCqeqANdkw5lSXfKboN30GEH+6eC7a5VnMlVTvqT/Kco6hfdfKuNBEjU8fgpVfD8yaV1CLdd7+ZaxbK5ewPfk3YVLkLjGc/1X2SSA3sC2z3uvdrqu63KbtzRGm9KVsDTBpsHLS0qj8I= Received: by 10.90.69.8 with SMTP id r8mr1933111aga.1173602224100; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:07:04 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The FreeBSD7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:37:05 -0000 Wikipedia says, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd FreeBSD 7.0 is on >> Improved scheduler and locking scalability for 32+ CPU systems (prototyping) Does Any One know How Many CPU Does FreeBSD 6.2 Supports ? THANKS IN ADVANCE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 09:03:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DFB16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@alaskaparadise.com) Received: from stargate.alaskaparadise.com (7-137-58-66.gci.net [66.58.137.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2F713C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@alaskaparadise.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stargate.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8B47DB2; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:03:35 -0900 (AKST) From: Beech Rintoul Organization: FreeBSD Port Maintainer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:03:30 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Face: jC2w\k*Q1\0DA2Q0Eh&BrP/Rt2M,^2O#R07VoT98m*>miQF9%Bi9vy`F6cPjwEe?m,)=?utf-8?q?2=0A=09X=3FM=5C=3AOE9QgZ?="xT3/n3,3MJ7N=Cfkmi%f(w^~X"SUxn>; 27NO; C+)g[7J`$G*SN>{<=?utf-8?q?O=3Bg7=7C=0A=09o=7D=265A=5D4?=@7D`=Eb@Zs1Ln814?]|k@'bG=.Ca"[|8+_.OsNAo8!#?4u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703110003.32974.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Cc: Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: beech@alaskaparadise.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:03:37 -0000 On Saturday 10 March 2007 22:14, Wojciech Puchar said: > >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your > > address and set the root password to nothing. It's only going to > > take a cracker a couple of minutes or less to own your server > > once they find you (and they will). > > another stupid one not answering the question. > > could you describe how you get my password in a couple of minutes > if you are so intelligent? There are and have been many known exploits through telnet. The most recent one a couple of weeks ago affects SunOS where you can, using telnet, get root privileges without even logging in as root. Telnet does everything in clear text including passwords. All that's needed is to get in and install some network sniffing and the first time root logs in they would have the password. For a valid normal user on the LAN, it would be even easier. If you're looking for ease of login look into ssh and keys, that way you don't even need a password. Details are in the handbook. Even works from windows. I don't know anyone that still uses telnet except for testing on a totally closed network. An ISP I worked for disabled it and firewalled the port more than five years ago. Beech -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - Port Maintainer - beech@alaskaparadise.com /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 09:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ABC16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5583113C461 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1256483wxc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m10177Q5DAfOTVn2IAaQp9N/lj5cryjCHy9bsvi9mHORZZXtuIm4m74HNtT53xo1NDhCrklufvUsSRMXM5ZG+K7Z6nVZsV9F/odZwJ+X6s2VMMSBavu/q2IUOD8yn0kziiLpDcFLAy0+hEK9bz3TASEP4ROImJqClNYZGx6PttQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oDsAmmTzQYKiFJqmKQcaPcCkkLriHPsc/Foq2MSpR3nAJnVTM9diiOaPC2gEckrB4QZNKnZxlKV8iFRMGh3t3oH8TfmJev4lxs2c4qP3/O4jzk+vdOfPYSwuO9aa3w9dSc2UZU/vSpSpfxRrwRn3kMZ6NiVwEucgJ5sbtF9QD3Q= Received: by 10.70.74.1 with SMTP id w1mr7605782wxa.1173606221729; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.14.15 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:41 +0000 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:42 -0000 On 11/03/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your address and > > set the root password to nothing. It's only going to take a cracker a > > couple of minutes or less to own your server once they find you (and > > they will). > > another stupid one not answering the question. > > could you describe how you get my password in a couple of minutes if you > are so intelligent? Oh, it's really simple: *If* the machine you're trying to configure root access via telnet is connected to the internet - in other terms the telnet port on the machine is accessible from the internet - one can actually brute force his/her way in. And in days of broadband connection several hundred different passwords can be guessed in a matter of seconds. There are tools like "john" that can do a bruteforce or dictionary attacks against password files, but there are similar tools that can do this over the network. To answer the question who should be able to snort you: Some script kiddies who don't understand what's actually going on, but who want to have some fun. This is why you've been told that configuring root access via telnet is a bad idea, just as any other here on this list is being told that it is a bad to configure root login via ssh - for the very same reason. And people asked you for your IP so that they could take care of your host. Since we can't know the IP adress of your host we had to ask. ;) But people who want to crack other machines don't need specific IP adress, they just scan entire networks. As most list members can tell you there are constant attacks against open ssh ports are going on. So this isn't stupidity really. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 09:52:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584CA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E413313C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from [218.16.58.208] (helo=munin.tcaportal.com) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1HQKir22ji-0005ov; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.101] (unknown [125.93.192.159]) by munin.tcaportal.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DFEA6C60 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:49:27 +0800 (HKT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> References: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Schulz Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:52:03 +0800 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+n63VS4vKdcmsr5W1DiPfw8Qab4jEEYxOxoka k2U4TmbsLgWuYsTrpGad8hJkOhMyVY5/d2S5IGxYEv+VfuNB2P DcJrXAbP0ACpQTFTxBkYw== Cc: Subject: Re: The FreeBSD7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:15 -0000 did we not have this question yet? On Mar 11, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Susanth K wrote: > Wikipedia says, > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd > > FreeBSD 7.0 is on >> Improved scheduler and locking scalability > for 32+ CPU > systems (prototyping) > > Does Any One know How Many CPU Does FreeBSD 6.2 Supports ? > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 10:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7016A406 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CE213C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BA7wAJ084539; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BA7wL2084536; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:57 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200703110003.32974.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Message-ID: <20070311110735.B84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703110003.32974.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:01 -0000 >> if you are so intelligent? > > There are and have been many known exploits through telnet. The most > recent one a couple of weeks ago affects SunOS where you can, using > telnet, get root privileges without even logging in as root. Telnet does it affect FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 10:09:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B4116A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF0E13C4AA for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BA99IV084689; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BA98CZ084686; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Christian Walther In-Reply-To: <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:09:09 -0000 > > Oh, it's really simple: *If* the machine you're trying to configure > root access via telnet is connected to the internet - in other terms > the telnet port on the machine is accessible from the internet - one > can actually brute force his/her way in. so please crack me 83.18.148.142 or 2001:4070:101:1::2 through telnetd From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 10:52:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A90E16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: from mail.thingy.com (wotsit.thingy.com [212.21.100.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00F813C441 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: (qmail 22409 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2007 10:52:47 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.12?) (howie@thingy.com@212.21.124.49) by wotsit3.thingy.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 10:52:47 +0000 Message-ID: <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:55 +0000 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:51 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through >> telnet and without telneting to some user and then su - >> ? >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. >> > once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very > "intelligent" comments? > _______________________________________________ If I remember correctly, you edit /etc/ttys and set some of your ttyp* (i.e. network ptys) to be 'SECURE'. It really isn't a good idea though. The reason I don't remember is that I haven't done it in about 10 years. If it's a remote program that needs root access, you can probably do something with ssh - you can allow ssh RootLogin, but not with passwords only public key auth, and you can *also* limit the key to be allowed to only connect from certain addresses and only run specific commands (e.g. some backup software works this way). You can have multiple keys with different restrictions even - Host A can run rsync only, and host B can run rdiff-backup only. Howie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 11:13:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67E916A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187C813C441 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BBD8tM091356; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BBD8Fx091353; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Howard Jones In-Reply-To: <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> Message-ID: <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:13 -0000 >> once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very >> "intelligent" comments? >> _______________________________________________ > If I remember correctly, you edit /etc/ttys and set some of your ttyp* (i.e. > network ptys) to be 'SECURE'. It really isn't a good idea though. The reason it works. but it is strange solution, as rshd and sshd can be set up this way. why telnetd can't? i tried allow_root in /etc/pam.d/telnetd every place (like with /etc/pam/rsh) and it doesn't work. > something with ssh - you can allow ssh RootLogin, but not with passwords only yes i already use PermitRootLogin in sshd_config and ssh root login works. same with rshd by changing /etc/pam.d/rsh but with telnet it does not. very funny is reading other people's replies about security, showing that they simply don't understand how things works. i don't ask if telnetd can be sniffed, because i know it can. as well as telnet when logging to non-root user, as well as rsh. and if there were exploits for telnetd for SunOS or FreeBSD, they exploited bugs in telnetd, and not guessing root password. so allowing root login or not doesn't make any difference. so generalizing that "telnet and rsh is bad" is as stupid as telling that oxygen is bad as it makes fires. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 23:44:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDEE16A408 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk) Received: from gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk (gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk [81.171.138.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D1613C4B2 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk) Received: from hc-exfe02.herefordshire.gov.uk ([10.1.251.245]) by gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2ANNamY006580; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:36 GMT Received: from HC-MBX02.herefordshire.gov.uk ([10.1.250.54]) by hc-exfe02.herefordshire.gov.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:36 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:35 -0000 Message-ID: <7EF0EE5CB3B263488C8C18823239BEBA03CEA0@HC-MBX02.herefordshire.gov.uk> In-reply-to: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? Thread-Index: AcdjSknO27CbNRFjSry+oMP8MVOQ8gAINRWw References: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> From: "Randal, Phil" To: "Kelly Jones" , , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2007 23:23:36.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[20D021B0:01C7636B] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk [172.27.0.2]); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:37 +0000 (GMT) X-herefordshire-gov-uk-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-herefordshire-gov-uk-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:18:46 +0000 Cc: Subject: RE: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:09 -0000 smf-sav is one sendmail milter which does this: http://smfs.sourceforge.net/smf-sav.html SAV v1.3.0 - console utility for e-Mail Sender Address Verification (also at http://smfs.sf.net/ ) Cheers, Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Jones [mailto:kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 10 March 2007 19:28 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; users@spamassassin.apache.org; linuxusersgroup@googlegroups.com; nmlug@nmlug.org; nmosug-l@mailman.swcp.com Subject: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does this? The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I connect to the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: > host -t mx wnonline.net wnonline.net mail is handled by 5 wnspf.bayou.com. > telnet wnspf.bayou.com. 25 Trying 209.209.192.75... Connected to wnspf.bayou.com.. Escape character is '^]'. 220 Welcome to Bayou mxfilter HELO domaintester.com 250 mxfilter.bayou.com MAIL FROM: 250 Ok RCPT TO: 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 ... User unknown QUIT 221 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail from that address is probably bogus. A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary failures (eg, inability to connect to the MX server), handle multiple MX records, perhaps even publish results [carefully, to avoid giving spammers a source of legit email addresses!], etc. Plus, I'd prefer to use a tested tool vs hacking something up myself. I realize this technique is far from perfect: Spammers spoof legit addresses Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email at the SMTP level (a really good tool would create throwaway addresses to catch these cases too) ... but I still think it might help. --=20 We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 11:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C816A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: from mail.thingy.com (wotsit.thingy.com [212.21.100.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8087F13C442 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: (qmail 23361 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2007 11:28:31 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.12?) (howie@thingy.com@212.21.124.49) by wotsit3.thingy.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 11:28:31 +0000 Message-ID: <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:38 +0000 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:33 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > so generalizing that "telnet and rsh is bad" is as stupid as telling > that oxygen is bad as it makes fires. Well, that's true, but if you have the choice, there are better choices. You *can* hammer in nails with the butt of a gun, but there's a chance you'll somehow shoot yourself in the arm. A hammer doesn't have that risk. There have been *many* problems over the years with rsh and telnet. rsh's security model comes from a time when people thought computers would never lie to each other. SSH does allow you to give only enough access, with the side-benefits (in your case) of compression and encryption. Even if you used ssh without those, the key-based authentication is still safer, and the code more modern and securely designed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 12:41:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED3616A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D713C48A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BCNjwj098581; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:23:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BCNiF1098578; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:23:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:23:44 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Howard Jones In-Reply-To: <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> Message-ID: <20070311132239.W98425@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:26 -0000 > There have been *many* problems over the years with rsh and telnet. rsh's > security model comes from a time when people thought computers would never exactly true. so i use rsh between MY machines and rsh and telnet when sniffing is not a problem. wasn't easier just to answer the question? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:09:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9082216A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C74A13C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1797037ugh for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:09:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=f6Hb8h7s5HHVbalgvLANLeq2jViLTtcTyMnong/SCKdtsteHuy0tKRaT99UfDZwuChLsaUZMNWwa2MPVj7Rme1XQ2rRrlSoZSVp4LzlXjnEUFp9GafE3O/yVAYisE5kH8qpYNN0SWkiv2cHFyrbuieyrBR1wLh2+OxxleFoZJqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Ai3cR90J9687RI/fKmevor9FL23TLk8ZrIUm8X7H1l9i2//8U7rGgcoD0uy0HB7JYno/yUsYBgZnXHXCS4X1FPFTy/uS6YqjcOskscR27D9yBKNfkvJ3MSp6uX4gr8y7YDIQyQYugqVLMgI7cSWWiBb2RcEYeEoN5AAEptRzMmg= Received: by 10.70.91.11 with SMTP id o11mr7925286wxb.1173617078381; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.47.2 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:44:38 +0000 From: "Luiz A B de Campos" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: installing i386.rpm files on FBSD-6.1 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:09:47 -0000 Is it possible to do this? I've already installed linux_base-8 and rpm ports but when I try to install a "i386.rpm" file the system claims for some libs (libpopt, libtiff, glibc.so.6 , libxml, bash) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:14:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D68E16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C584113C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1865349wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=YHgFdPx4BIIDq5panFtTXbEmt7updygobh6y6lPmK1UTmlLCsQKOkcFSHph8XkMbwXSlOwu95L+qf5aZG3El/Bl1vcGNRE1paVAV+wEPgnommAurmS1OHn6kU2mBoaaHps2So+6qC/XW19koHNW3QNED3a8fk1OV1GlmvLIIFBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bu016smFdI4hqaHdETEHHb6y1/CGx3/x0yP6KSE8Kmn6Xn2lZhf8v/UHa7SrfVELL2Yf8hh9k7HB0iREwm0qaLGbJtTCiyMsz7nblplgNyOwzToxIr/M+srciZR8SKuYirvQlc1BxInBtkM3KwttopbR1fPkrnBxRAhtcaa+W2o= Received: by 10.90.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr2235409agb.1173618859283; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:44:19 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:20 -0000 Dear Friends, When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? SUSANTH K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:02:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1278A16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jm@jmason.org) Received: from dogma.boxhost.net (dogma.boxhost.net [80.169.141.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A483313C489 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jm@jmason.org) Received: from radish.jmason.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.boxhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE2131007A; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:32:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jmason.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by radish.jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A326032CD9; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:31:42 +0100 (CET) To: "Kelly Jones" In-Reply-To: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> From: jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 1368 71CE 3627 9CD3 FA1B 0B63 3091 7972 298B C7D0 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:31:42 +0000 Sender: jm@jmason.org Message-Id: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:37 +0000 Cc: nmosug-l@mailman.swcp.com, linuxusersgroup@googlegroups.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nmlug@nmlug.org, users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:37 -0000 for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers looking to evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! Hence, the spam recipients now get twice as much mail from each spam run -- spam aimed at them, *and* bounce blowback from hundreds of spams aimed at others, forged to appear to be from them. It's the obvious response to SAV, which is one reason why we never implemented something like that in SpamAssassin. --j. Kelly Jones writes: > To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in > real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does > this? > > The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I connect to > the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: > > > host -t mx wnonline.net > wnonline.net mail is handled by 5 wnspf.bayou.com. > > > telnet wnspf.bayou.com. 25 > Trying 209.209.192.75... > Connected to wnspf.bayou.com.. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 Welcome to Bayou mxfilter > HELO domaintester.com > 250 mxfilter.bayou.com > MAIL FROM: > 250 Ok > RCPT TO: > 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 > ... User unknown > QUIT > 221 Bye > Connection closed by foreign host. > > This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail > from that address is probably bogus. > > A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary > failures (eg, inability to connect to the MX server), handle multiple > MX records, perhaps even publish results [carefully, to avoid giving > spammers a source of legit email addresses!], etc. Plus, I'd prefer to > use a tested tool vs hacking something up myself. > > I realize this technique is far from perfect: > > Spammers spoof legit addresses > > Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses > > It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers > > Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, > figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" > > Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where > xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and > send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email > at the SMTP level (a really good tool would create throwaway addresses > to catch these cases too) > > ... but I still think it might help. > > -- > We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying > to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to > new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:49:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51C716A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drewjenkinsjr@yahoo.com) Received: from web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B9C013C43E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drewjenkinsjr@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23288 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2007 13:49:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uuS0Y8rv5/tP6L/+0qVpF3oeuh0aCtvrtOv/4RRXxCZkjOMZbSbck/DnnlaxpbrlwMiRP4z4pe7euNPQmdF1Q6mRLM/Zc64t1JNVtS534XaynXgewc1G+rmtI9nQC2/1utG4qk2Nuyj2374Vc+AzemxBJqnfAMjuZ19ShO6xCEM=; X-YMail-OSG: oISgpM4VM1nBggdh5..J8w9zOzyD6GuxsEF_8_7sIg.GcvTZpJ0FGXU_hFtAQREGfuwm0HNsmc8oqMVoonsWcM6VpQrPbl0.oASLjIcf.TbIoIdHmOUaRynOBIJhYFry Received: from [69.19.14.32] by web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:49:23 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Jenkins To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <751051.21217.qm@web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: clean-hoststat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:49:24 -0000 Hi; Just built a new server and got this error: Removing stale entries from sendmail host status cache: /etc/periodic/daily/150.clean-hoststat: purgestat: Permission denied # ls -al /etc/periodic/daily/150.clean-hoststat -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 588 Jan 12 07:42 /etc/periodic/daily/150.clean-hoststat Please advise. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 14:09:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C9D16A40F for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5010E13C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2BCR9N3026729 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:54 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 14:09:53 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:52 -0300 Message-Id: <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:57 -0000 Hello... I see you issues about telenet... I use the inetd+telnet for more than 20 years and using BSD with RSA, and obviiously with a good password. I have never been cracked down... and I have 10 of my /etc/ttys entries setted to "secure" ttyp0 none network off secure ttyp1 none network off secure ttyp2 none network off secure ttyp3 none network off secure ttyp4 none network off secure ttyp5 none network off secure ttyp6 none network off secure ttyp7 none network off secure ttyp8 none network off secure ttyp9 none network off secure ttypa none network off secure ttypb none network off secure ttypc none network off secure in my /etc/master.passwd..... root:*:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh a "kill -1 1" would allow root do dial in I block the root account in /etc/master.passwd by put a "*" as md5hash and setted up an "supper" account..... pw adduser xxxxxxxxx -d /root -s /usr/local/bin/bash -u 0 -g 0 -h 0 Than is done... All the cracking I have seen is from someone that is INSIDE the machine (http using php,pop,imap, ssh,...) that is you have yet allowed him to come in, you gave them the password (in the case of ssh), or in http... A "normal" FreeBSD 6.2 or an OpenBSD, is incredible solid... You must know the "superuser" login AND the password.... choose a password with letters and numbers, or something in portuguese (only 7 countries speak that): biruta22, pezinho12, 45pinheiiros, tovazioagora, batatinha744, 45canastra96..... I tested in an security system and it says is have good security... (pgp)... Besides.. using brute force in a word like "itacolomi" using a 1 second delay would result ,,,, "forever" Besides, BSD have the ability to force a new password once it is too old... a new password every 3 months is a good choice.... and you must stilll pass through RSA . Thanks for sharing the experience... now I know I am not the one that uses "telenet" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 14:14:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1EF16A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C213C480 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [10.35.4.65] (65.4-35-10-static.chueca.wifi [10.35.4.65]) by strange.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7E2E024; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:14:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F40EC7.9070603@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:14:31 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070309) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susanth K References: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010906080200080402040407" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:34 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010906080200080402040407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? Check: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html Appears the release process is set to start in june. What is not yet clear is if RELENG_7 has been branched off yet so we should all update our supfile? I suppose this will happen before the the release process sets off. 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X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as k1) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 14:22:43 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:22:42 -0300 Message-Id: <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd The FINAL SOLUTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:22:45 -0000 So..... resuming: 1) change some lines in /etc/ttys to: ttyp0 none network off secure ttyp1 none network off secure ttyp2 none network off secure ttyp3 none network off secure ttyp4 none network off secure ttyp5 none network off secure ttyp6 none network off secure ttyp7 none network off secure ttyp8 none network off secure ttyp9 none network off secure ttypa none network off secure ttypb none network off secure ttypc none network off secure > 2) signal init to read it : kill -1 1 3) make sure inetd is running see the /etc/rc.conf must have inetd_enable="YES" 4) remove the "#" at the line telnet in inetd.conf 5) make inetd run /etc/rc.d/inetd restart 6) change root password echo "mysecretpassword" | pw usermod root -h 0 7) telnet to your server should now allow root login Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 14:35:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7F113C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup149.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.149]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l2BEYWKU025043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:41 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BEYNP2003599; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:24 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l2BEYLIH003598; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:20 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20070311143420.GA3523@kobe.laptop> References: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> <45F40EC7.9070603@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45F40EC7.9070603@locolomo.org> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.065, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.33, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Susanth K , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:03 -0000 On 2007-03-11 15:14, Erik Norgaard wrote: >Susanth K wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? > > Check: > > http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html > > Appears the release process is set to start in june. > > What is not yet clear is if RELENG_7 has been branched off yet so we > should all update our supfile? I suppose this will happen before the > the release process sets off. For what it's worth, no RELENG_7 has not been branched yet. To answer Susanth's question, the scheduler published by the release engineering team is the one which should be the authoritative answer. The HEAD of CVS is now 7.0-CURRENT. Until a release is announced by the RE team, you should assume that the officially supported releases are the ones listed on our web site. Regards, Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:21:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824DC16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-242.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C6E13C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BFLtK4008269 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:21:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:21:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703111021.55086.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: portupgrade bombing out for java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:21:58 -0000 portupgrade is bombing due to the file tzupdater-1.1.0-2007c.zip not being found in /usr/ports/distfiles. however, when i visit http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml, there appears to be no link or no information about such a file. does anyone know what the story is, and where this file is available from? thanks, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:25:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27E316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruggeri@uchicago.edu) Received: from relay03.uchicago.edu (relay03.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E50C13C43E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruggeri@uchicago.edu) Received: from james-rfz25yf2.hsd1.il.comcast.net (boardwalk-flyer.cs.uchicago.edu [128.135.24.243]) by relay03.uchicago.edu (8.13.6.20060614/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2BFPGG4009616 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:25:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:25:16 -0500 To: free-bsd-questions From: "Edward Ruggeri" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070307205726.AKZ27933@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.10 (Win32) Subject: Re: Problem Launching Applications in Gnome X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:25:17 -0000 On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:04:48 -0600, Edward Ruggeri wrote: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:54:55 -0600, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:57 PM, ruggeri@uchicago.edu wrote: >>> The main application I run is Vim, which I run through Gnome- >>> Terminal. I frequently have several copies running >>> simultaneously. In general response to Gnome-Terminal >>> commands is very fast, but sometimes when I try to open a >>> file with Vim it takes up to 20-30 seconds to load. The >>> files are not particularly large (max 300 lines). >>> >>> During this time, if I try to launch another application in >>> Gnome (e.g., Opera or another Gnome-Terminal), it will not >>> come up. It is as if everything is frozen until finally Vi >>> loads and opens the file, at which point anything else I have >>> tried to open works fine. >> >> Is it possible that you're low on RAM, and the system has to swap in a >> bunch of stuff to let you task-switch to Opera or GT? Is it only the >> combination of GT & Vim, or do you sometimes encounter this long delay >> when switching between applications doing other things? >> >>> I have of course looked at top when this problem occurs. CPU >>> usage is about 2%, and there is no significant memory usage >>> either. >> >> It would be helpful to know what state the GT & vim processes were in, >> too. > > RAM usage remains very low throughout. In addition, I have 2GB of RAM > on this system, so while that was also my first suspicion, I don't think > that's it. > > When vim exhibits this behavior (which it doesn't always do), it will > sit in sbwait and will finally load as it comes out of sbwait. If I try > to open another GT during vim's stalling, it will also be stuck in > sbwait, generally coming out of it at the same time as vim. > > Thanks very much for your thoughts! > > -- Ned Ruggeri Sorry to post again in response to my own email, but I have some new information. In addition to the processes being stuck in sbwait, it also appears that when loading they start on the second core but switch to the first when getting out of the sbwait state. Also, this problem definitely seems to be exhibited in other applications. Sometimes I have to wait 15 seconds for Gnome-Terminal to load even with no applications running. I'm suspicious this might be related to Gnome's Screensaver, since GT opens slowly generally after coming out of screensaver. Any thoughts? It's a real drag, because freeBSD is so fast for me outside this problem, but it's making it impossible to use... Thanks guys! Sincerely, -- Ned Ruggeri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:30:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF8116A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (omr6.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835CD13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr6.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.69]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2BFGWxA021004 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:16:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 78); 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail13) (205.178.146.50) by ns-omr6.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (idmc_vivr@intgdev.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail13 (EdgeDesk 4.04) with WEBMAIL id 6890; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 +0000 From: "V.I.Victor" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft EdgeDesk, Build 4.03.0105 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Daylight Savings Time -- /etc/localtime and what else? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:03 -0000 A month ago I downloaded tzdata2007b.tar.gz, compiled it and installed a = new /etc/localtime. All seemed OK. Now, after the time change, I've had to restart both 'fetchmail' and 'sen= dmail' to get '/var/log/maillog' in-sync with the new time. Not a proble= m; apparently these processes use time-data based on their original start= up. But what else needs to be restarted? 'top' (edited) for root shows: PID STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 242 select 4:37 0.00% 0.00% syslogd 386 nanslp 3:28 0.00% 0.00% cron 418 select 0:32 0.00% 0.00% inetd 18001 select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% sshd 6985 RUN 0:00 0.00% 0.00% top 6844 pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 423 ttyin 0:00 0.00% 0.00% getty (x8 Lines) 167 pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% adjkerntz 224 select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% devd Maybe 'cron' -- daily & security email is an hour off. Should I just restart the whole system? (FreeBSD 5.4, i386) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:40:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A593B16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D370913C455 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BFefuI020402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BFef0J020399 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070311163851.O20344@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: jails and crashes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:40:46 -0000 is there any fix for crashing when using jails i have few jails on one machine, almost nothing running outside jails, and it crashes. as far as i found - crash is always when allocating pty - when logging with ssh telnet etc. to one of jails. any fixes? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:44:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2596416A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (pukruppa.net [213.146.114.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8C13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (pukruppa.net [213.146.114.24]) by pukruppa.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BFnJwv003531; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:49:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:49:18 +0100 (CET) From: "P.U.Kruppa" To: Jonathan Horne In-Reply-To: <200703111021.55086.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Message-ID: <20070311164606.P2869@pukruppa.net> References: <200703111021.55086.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade bombing out for java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:44 -0000 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Jonathan Horne wrote: > portupgrade is bombing due to the file tzupdater-1.1.0-2007c.zip not being > found in /usr/ports/distfiles. however, when i visit > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml, there appears to be no > link or no information about such a file. Type # make install manually into your java port's directory. It will tell you where to find this file. Regards, Uli. > > does anyone know what the story is, and where this file is available from? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:45:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0775F16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B47813C46E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1575335nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aoliQpFB4jkPDyeWk7WKSCRoo/UZxf1x8RZTG+fcCenLKwhtSEDzvSsoPmliaLuKtbygQ41mwomBMhkmt3MW8duzfOkWuR1QMwIRWXQes1h7hBs9iQH7BiXicSwo3Wx+6ZUhrclxJe9fIZwh+KUvgDdp1zF90kWoch7LAWbPSxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j7vUAobnzPGsq02J7Fv2KarVWSckH+sPfmJwZZj+FjwJ+0+ypz08pLToNEXIrMv7ZFOOmmgal3Ywz04IwM9OXqKb6JCELuvb6W/IYaNZVxSsBBhIiTM2WsF7Dqvwie9Z4DC0CITVD3Z7MjmY3g2GjCC6fGDuoXy0n8Iktfdeqm0= Received: by 10.82.136.4 with SMTP id j4mr6548865bud.1173627947282; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.13 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:45:47 -0800 From: "Ed Zwart" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:45:49 -0000 I use freebsd on an older computer in my home network to run a webserver, a few web apps (bugzilla, tikiwiki), and samba. I just installed postfix via the ports collection so I can use the mail functionality of bugzilla. Bugzilla does its part correctly; I can see the message in the mailq, but all messages time out. From the postfix site, I learned about the MTU black hole issue (http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#timeouts). After spending some time messing both with my bsd machine's hostname and my home network gateway's settings (domain name and mtu size), I got nowhere. But then I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have the reference) that the handshake that goes on between my MTA and the destination machine includes a check that I'm not spoofing a domain that I don't control. Makes sense! So, I figured that I don't have an MTU problem at all, but a hostname/domain name problem. What I'm a little weak on is understanding is this... I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to point foo.homedns.org to my IP. Originally, I had left the gateway's domain as the default (something based on my isp's domain), and set the bsd machine's hostname to foo.my_domain.com. But that's why mail was failing (I think) because dns was reporting that my_domain.com was not the same as my IP. Is this correct? Also, what are valid entries then for hostname then? Anything I want, as long as it's not some domain already known in the dns? Does it matter if I change my "domain" name on my LAN router? Finally, what I'd really like to do is just manage all this myself. I'm not providing any services to anyone but myself. (I don't have users, and don't need to receive mail.) My plan had been to pay dyndns to handle pointing to my_domain.com for me, but now I'm wondering if I can't just do that too. So, last question: does setting up dns on my bsd box mean I can propogate my IP for my_domain.com myself? Thanks in advance for help! e. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:56:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FC716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680EA13C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BFuHkb021404; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:56:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BFuFpB021392; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:56:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:56:15 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Sergio Lenzi In-Reply-To: <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070311165538.U21155@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd The FINAL SOLUTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:56:17 -0000 works fine. thank you very much (point 6 wasn't needed) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC16C16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DA213C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BFxBkX021748; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BFxAek021742; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Susanth K In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311165900.F21155@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:59:11 -0000 > Dear Friends, > > When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? when it will be ready. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:12:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D1716A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC50413C62C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-174-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.174.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2E9EBC62; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:26 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Ed Zwart" Message-Id: <20070311120226.9c90dd7f.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.10 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:12:28 -0000 "Ed Zwart" wrote: > > I use freebsd on an older computer in my home network to run a > webserver, a few web apps (bugzilla, tikiwiki), and samba. I just > installed postfix via the ports collection so I can use the mail > functionality of bugzilla. > > Bugzilla does its part correctly; I can see the message in the mailq, > but all messages time out. From the postfix site, I learned about the > MTU black hole issue (http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#timeouts). > After spending some time messing both with my bsd machine's hostname > and my home network gateway's settings (domain name and mtu size), I > got nowhere. > > But then I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have the reference) that the > handshake that goes on between my MTA and the destination machine > includes a check that I'm not spoofing a domain that I don't control. > Makes sense! So, I figured that I don't have an MTU problem at all, > but a hostname/domain name problem. > > What I'm a little weak on is understanding is this... > > I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, > but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to > point foo.homedns.org to my IP. > > Originally, I had left the gateway's domain as the default (something > based on my isp's domain), and set the bsd machine's hostname to > foo.my_domain.com. But that's why mail was failing (I think) because > dns was reporting that my_domain.com was not the same as my IP. Is > this correct? > > Also, what are valid entries then for hostname then? Anything I want, > as long as it's not some domain already known in the dns? Does it > matter if I change my "domain" name on my LAN router? > > Finally, what I'd really like to do is just manage all this myself. > I'm not providing any services to anyone but myself. (I don't have > users, and don't need to receive mail.) My plan had been to pay > dyndns to handle pointing to my_domain.com for me, but now I'm > wondering if I can't just do that too. So, last question: does setting > up dns on my bsd box mean I can propogate my IP for my_domain.com > myself? First, you need to figure out what the problem is. You're making a lot of guesses right now. However, I would suspect that your best bet would be to specify that all outgoing mail routes through your ISP. Their MTA should be configured to allow all mail from their customers to be sent. In postfix, define the relayhost parameter to be your ISP's outgoing server. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:16:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E58C16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from mail.ipt.ru (mail.ipt.ru [80.253.10.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BF13C4AE for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from sp34.ipt.ru ([217.147.20.50] helo=bs1.sp34.ru) by mail.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQQiZ-000DxL-Nh; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:16:19 +0300 Received: from bsam by bs1.sp34.ru with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQQn8-0007Oj-FA; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:21:02 +0300 To: "Luiz A B de Campos" References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:21:02 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Luiz A. B. de Campos's message of "Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:44:38 +0000") Message-ID: <90511297@bs1.sp34.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing i386.rpm files on FBSD-6.1 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:22 -0000 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:44:38 +0000 Luiz A B de Campos wrote: > Is it possible to do this? I've already installed linux_base-8 and rpm ports It is recommended to use linux_base-fc4 nowadays. > but when I try to install a "i386.rpm" file the system claims for some libs > (libpopt, libtiff, glibc.so.6 , libxml, bash) All those apps are already at the ports tree. Which app do you need to run? If it presents at the ports tree one should use ports/packages to install. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:20:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1AE16A40A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from mail.applied-epistemics.com (mail.applied-epistemics.com [65.39.221.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AFF13C484 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from homebase (c-67-190-235-215.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [67.190.235.215]) by mail.applied-epistemics.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09021633007; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:53:23 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703111053.23850.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: Ed Zwart Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:05 -0000 On Sunday 11 March 2007 10:45, Ed Zwart wrote: > I use freebsd on an older computer in my home network to run a > webserver, a few web apps (bugzilla, tikiwiki), and samba. I just > installed postfix via the ports collection so I can use the mail > functionality of bugzilla. > > Bugzilla does its part correctly; I can see the message in the > mailq, but all messages time out. From the postfix site, I learned > about the MTU black hole issue > (http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#timeouts). After spending some > time messing both with my bsd machine's hostname and my home > network gateway's settings (domain name and mtu size), I got > nowhere. > > But then I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have the reference) that > the handshake that goes on between my MTA and the destination > machine includes a check that I'm not spoofing a domain that I > don't control. Makes sense! So, I figured that I don't have an MTU > problem at all, but a hostname/domain name problem. > > What I'm a little weak on is understanding is this... > > I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, > but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to > point foo.homedns.org to my IP. > > Originally, I had left the gateway's domain as the default > (something based on my isp's domain), and set the bsd machine's > hostname to foo.my_domain.com. But that's why mail was failing (I > think) because dns was reporting that my_domain.com was not the > same as my IP. Is this correct? > > Also, what are valid entries then for hostname then? Anything I > want, as long as it's not some domain already known in the dns? > Does it matter if I change my "domain" name on my LAN router? > > Finally, what I'd really like to do is just manage all this myself. > I'm not providing any services to anyone but myself. (I don't have > users, and don't need to receive mail.) My plan had been to pay > dyndns to handle pointing to my_domain.com for me, but now I'm > wondering if I can't just do that too. So, last question: does > setting up dns on my bsd box mean I can propogate my IP for > my_domain.com myself? > > Thanks in advance for help! > > e. Your ISP is probably just blocking outgoing connections to port 25...set postfix to use their smtp servers as a relayhost. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:20:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8016A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.19.101.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2670313C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8B8C5798 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([67.19.101.164]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25576-09 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (a213-22-26-111.cpe.netcabo.pt [213.22.26.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA814C578C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:03 +0000 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061007) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-1 required=4 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:12 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Err, sure; and for completeness, be sure and send the IP back to this >> list, and publish it on the front page of your website/blog/whatnot. > > and what if i will? do you know my root password? >> OK, cynicism aside, why on earth would you want to do this? That's a >> fool's errand in today's world. Or, are you on a 2-machine network >> via crossover > > if you can't answer the question, just shut up. > EOT I am.. amazed by your aggressive attitute towards everyone else and being ironic and calling everyone VIM's. What you fail to realize is the dumbness of what you're trying to do, there are no nice words I can use to explain it. We were being ironic with you so that you could understand just how bad what you're trying to achieve is. You are being ironic with us because you think there's nothing wrong with logging in as root with telnet. There are a thousand ways I could go about explaining how bad it is and why it is bad, but in the end you'd just say I'm a VIM, so I won't even bother. Oh well, your server, your password. Just don't say you were not warned. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:31:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304A316A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.19.101.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9D813C4B7 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF54C4956; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([67.19.101.164]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29697-07; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (a213-22-26-111.cpe.netcabo.pt [213.22.26.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46621C4A54; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <45F42EEF.9070002@barafranca.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:43 +0000 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061007) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-1 required=4 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Sergio Lenzi Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:54 -0000 Sergio Lenzi wrote: > Hello... > > I see you issues about telenet... > > I use the inetd+telnet for more than 20 years and using BSD > with RSA, and obviiously with a good password. > > I have never been cracked down... > and I have 10 of my /etc/ttys entries setted to "secure" > > ttyp0 none network off secure > ttyp1 none network off secure > ttyp2 none network off secure > ttyp3 none network off secure > ttyp4 none network off secure > ttyp5 none network off secure > ttyp6 none network off secure > ttyp7 none network off secure > ttyp8 none network off secure > ttyp9 none network off secure > ttypa none network off secure > ttypb none network off secure > ttypc none network off secure > > in my /etc/master.passwd..... > root:*:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh > > > a "kill -1 1" would allow root do dial in > > I block the root account in /etc/master.passwd by put a "*" as md5hash > and setted up an "supper" account..... > You could have just changed it's name, and the end result is exactly the same. If you have other services running in this server, there are various ways to figure out who has uid 0. Changing root's account or adding another uid 0 won't make it any harder. > pw adduser xxxxxxxxx -d /root -s /usr/local/bin/bash -u 0 -g 0 -h 0 > > Than is done... > > All the cracking I have seen is from someone that is INSIDE the machine > (http using php,pop,imap, ssh,...) that is you have yet allowed him to > come in, > you gave them the password (in the case of ssh), or in http... > > A "normal" FreeBSD 6.2 or an OpenBSD, is incredible solid... Indeed, that's exactly why it comes with sshd instead of telnetd and they both DO NOT allow root logins by default. > You must know the "superuser" login AND the password.... > With sshd and root logins off, you need to know your username's password/passphrase for DSA/RSA, you need to be in the right group so you can even attempt to become root, and you need the root password too. Ontop of all that, everything's encrypted. Please do not even TRY to compare. > choose a password with letters and numbers, or something in > portuguese (only 7 countries speak that): biruta22, pezinho12, > 45pinheiiros, > tovazioagora, batatinha744, 45canastra96..... > Spoken in: Angola, Brazil, Mozambique, Portugal, and several other CPLP countries Total speakers: Native: 210 million Total: 230 million Brilliant. > I tested in an security system and it says is have good security... > (pgp)... > I won't comment this. > Besides.. using brute force in a word like "itacolomi" using a 1 second > delay > would result ,,,, "forever" > Besides, BSD have the ability to force a new password once it is too > old... > a new password every 3 months is a good choice.... and you must stilll > pass through RSA . > > > Thanks for sharing the experience... now I know I am not the one that > uses "telenet" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:51:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08AE16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B335F13C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1897744wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=W4ACbzEyfC85nszKDXJFz0n9y4brg+Zo/c7FEykO1E7Lx1ySjAupTE+QaQuykNLNE5SJR5gi2DtxkZ59QOVn1QVWW6U16aDVtHVNSDUTw9qHOvc8A6cTzAyoXbD9pmG9DdLQn9pTzOYp35g7XTRQyMIHzVTDMhRksL2AbkhmV/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QmKZXHGpgXe2X6qGzdvptzK+ql6KmF9jHtaKnO/F0izq0rdG4QGxuFnMIp6k6rhmbkdP4dJwcMg0AuZEBGnrdc7v8SvBNkLDszgymg7E/KJ3QwSgSXR8vepaw3QAcgkVx4E9669Tyxmme1xcl8UKfiwYd1lwjCnwUHRy7RhvzdA= Received: by 10.90.65.11 with SMTP id n11mr2629789aga.1173631867156; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:21:07 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:51:07 -0000 Dear Friends, Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) Please correct me; if am not. Am new to FreeBSD; ( Sorry; if Any of u find this as a silly Question ) SUSANTH K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 17:12:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405116A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B6413C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (adsl-65-69-141-175.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [65.69.141.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD992114313 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:14:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:12:11 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.7b1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========D47CEE76846768256DC8==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd The FINAL SOLUTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:12:15 -0000 --==========D47CEE76846768256DC8========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On March 11, 2007 11:22:42 AM -0300 Sergio Lenzi =20 wrote: > > 7) telnet to your server > should now allow root login > What do you gain by allowing telnet access to your hosts that you don't=20 get with ssh? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========D47CEE76846768256DC8==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 17:18:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C54416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from gothmog.akp-net.com (gothmog.akp-net.com [194.126.172.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE55B13C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from p579a89dd.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.154.137.221] helo=ANGBAND) by gothmog.akp-net.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQRI8-00016P-G3 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:06 +0100 From: "Alexander Schlichting" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:52:25 +0100 Message-ID: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acdj/aUGrc7Od5RsQWGDp/QmhA/4hg== Content-Language: de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:18:51 -0000 Hi, I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server when the connection is always getting dropped. The server is running FreeBSD angmar.domain.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 and the SSHD installed by sysinstall OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeBSD-20061110, OpenSSL 0.9.7e-p1 25 Oct 2004 . I tried a complete FreeBSD reinstall but it did not help, I tried various settings like KeepAlive TCPKeepAlive but they did not help either. I upgraded OpenSSL to 0.9.8e and I installed OpenSSH 4.6p1 but it did not solve the problem. When I run SSH with loglevel debug I see this in the auth.log when I am getting disconnected: Read error from remote host 192.168.2.100: Connection reset by peer . When I use strace to monitor the process I see this on disconnect 643 wait4(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], WNOHANG, NULL) = 4975 643 wait4(-1, 0xbfbfdc9c, WNOHANG, NULL) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes) 643 syscall_416(0x14, 0, 0xbfbfdc20) = 0 643 syscall_417(0xbfbfdcd0) = -1 (errno 4) 643 select(7, [3 4], NULL, NULL, NULL I tried to find information's about syscall_417 but had no luck with that. I am stuck here and have no idea what to do. When I am connected to the server by FTP I don't get disconnected when the connection is idle ( no nohup or so being sent ) and when I connect by Telnet I also don't get disconnected when the connection is idle. I am not sure if I should add the dmesg output here for sys specs or not. I don't do it now but can give it if needed. I installed Debian on another HDD of the server today and I am not having any problems there. No SSH disconnects all the time. Thanks for any help. -Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 17:53:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4411D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9F113C457 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA8A1F7E6E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:10 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: cqAk+dv3rpENeQo40NtOAC9AK3KdrR5QhdNdK7h0EpPi 1173635590 Received: from [10.51.77.87] (unknown [204.110.228.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246AD905 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45F433D1.40802@fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:52:33 -0500 From: Patrick Bowen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Assemblers for FreBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:12 -0000 If one wanted to learn Assembly Language Programming, would he be better served starting with as(1) or nasm(1)? Also, are either of those applicable to AMD64, or just i386? TIA, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:01:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832FB16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-242.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0A013C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BI1t4W013092 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:01:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:01:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:01:57 -0000 ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:09:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA1D16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544CD13C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BI9q8Q036521; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BI9q1h036518; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:52 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Susanth K In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311190925.L36389@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:09:52 -0000 > Dear Friends, > > Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? > > Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? see the sources. > > And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) > > Please correct me; if am not. > > Am new to FreeBSD; ( Sorry; if Any of u find this as a silly Question ) > you need answers to some kind of quiz or test... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:14:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584D716A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5606D13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DC71F7465 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:37 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 6OR5RQz2M5CX/Lz3NGKGug0f6v6H4RtiEdeF1ecol967 1173636877 Received: from [10.51.77.87] (unknown [204.110.228.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAFB2A466 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:14:04 -0500 From: Patrick Bowen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:38 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Jonathan; Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine. Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19DF16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB30913C465 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-174-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.174.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D61EBC62; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:56 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Jonathan Horne Message-Id: <20070311141456.55c02ded.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.10 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:58 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? I've been using xfce4 for quite a while. I like it because it's got everything I need, and not a lot of extra junk to get in my way (I find KDE and GNOME bloated) I use Sylpheed for mail and Firefox for web. HTH -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:28:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E15216A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@cyberwang.net) Received: from spunkymail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C0C13C4B9 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@cyberwang.net) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (68-184-120-224.dhcp.smyr.ga.charter.com [68.184.120.224]) by spunkymail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D66F5B52D; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:28:46 -0400 From: Sean Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Horne References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:54 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function and a fair bit of eyecandy. I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the functionality I want built right in. As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because it just works the way I want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F9216A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426B613C46E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HQSr1-0007MC-D8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:11 +0100 Received: from 89-172-241-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([89.172.241.50]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:11 +0100 Received: from ivoras by 89-172-241-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:02 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C" X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89-172-241-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 Sender: news Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:33:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, >=20 > Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? Almost. The kernel and most parts are. > Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? There are some but there are not many of them. It's not a matter of policy but of the individual choice of a developer. > And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) Yes. --------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9EteldnAQVacBcgRAjatAJ9+S31biPw8OftUjqGMd6pZth7AfACg30U2 EzJrnlY6NPECSoMCtBE7L3s= =shVf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4457116A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DBC13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQSzO-000ASo-No; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:41:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:48 -0600 To: Justin Mason X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:51 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > > for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this > as an anti-spam technique. > > Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my > opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers > looking to > evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find > real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender verification. Sender verification works and works well. > > Hence, the spam recipients now get twice as much mail from each > spam run > -- spam aimed at them, *and* bounce blowback from hundreds of spams > aimed > at others, forged to appear to be from them. It's the obvious > response to > SAV, which is one reason why we never implemented something like > that in > SpamAssassin. Sorry, but you conclusion does not follow. Sender verification has been around for a while and this has not happened in my experience. Ie, there is no greater use of real FROM addresses than there was before. Most MTAs have in-built routines to do this, with exim having a particularly good facility for this. Technically, with exim's, you are actually validating the sending server's adherence to the RFCs about accept DSN replies back. Chad > > --j. > > Kelly Jones writes: >> To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in >> real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that >> does >> this? >> >> The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I >> connect to >> the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: >> >>> host -t mx wnonline.net >> wnonline.net mail is handled by 5 wnspf.bayou.com. >> >>> telnet wnspf.bayou.com. 25 >> Trying 209.209.192.75... >> Connected to wnspf.bayou.com.. >> Escape character is '^]'. >> 220 Welcome to Bayou mxfilter >> HELO domaintester.com >> 250 mxfilter.bayou.com >> MAIL FROM: >> 250 Ok >> RCPT TO: >> 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 >> ... User unknown >> QUIT >> 221 Bye >> Connection closed by foreign host. >> >> This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail >> from that address is probably bogus. >> >> A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary >> failures (eg, inability to connect to the MX server), handle multiple >> MX records, perhaps even publish results [carefully, to avoid giving >> spammers a source of legit email addresses!], etc. Plus, I'd >> prefer to >> use a tested tool vs hacking something up myself. >> >> I realize this technique is far from perfect: >> >> Spammers spoof legit addresses >> >> Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses >> >> It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers >> >> Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, >> figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" >> >> Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where >> xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and >> send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email >> at the SMTP level (a really good tool would create throwaway >> addresses >> to catch these cases too) >> >> ... but I still think it might help. >> >> -- >> We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying >> to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to >> new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:24:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EC916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: from web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6CC013C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92229 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2007 19:02:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oN3USxxc8olwNEzbQ0QfRdmXU7gLUks5XvQGNRYY9rwIANICG7W5+0D/2xvNOsI4Mv7yGk7ZG5Ti6fwNJ2OASyK7nWhmLpCKYci2IS+NQwKM1An8j0Tl+2PyfG+Enyt8p5q0AOli60wISzAeuqmEHm6d0MYD29G7BI1IyPtluR0=; X-YMail-OSG: TmKMOIgVM1md2TV9lKSIeN3EfRlaMktXfDPfZtUIxUPpIuXQfnM1kCqe.Ycw5xdu1wUaFGLKaWhatfoMKp3TyLIHX.Jz4cakywyZMM2ZMWIxvRJ0.HZKjA-- Received: from [68.164.15.239] by web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:11 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paulette McGee To: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <58343.88959.qm@web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:50 -0000 --- Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. > this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something > new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up > to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or > basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as > functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what > graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Jonathan, Here are a few questions: 1) Are you looking for a Desktop Environment (DE)? 2) Are you looking for a Window Manager (WM)? Here is a little blurb that describes the differences: http://xwinman.org/intro.php The above site also has a very comprehensive list of both DE's and WM's. Basically; decide if you want a very integrated environment or something less integrated . Personally; I prefer WM's over DE's. From that point; I select the applications that I want on my system. WM are basically very streamlined with few utilities (if any). Contrast that with Gnome or KDE; which come with an array of support tools (IE: browsers, file managers, printer configuration tools, system utilities, et al). In essence; it is a matter of choice. My vote is for Fluxbox (WM). PS: Keep in mind that some lines blur with DE and WMs. In my humble opinion some WM have a DE feel to them. explore the above link and see what strikes a chord. Regards, Paulette McGee ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F49B16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7FC13C4BE for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B411A4D83; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DD7C51415; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:36:09 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Message-ID: <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Justin Mason , User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:10 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > > > > >for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this > >as an anti-spam technique. > > > >Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my > >opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers > >looking to > >evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find > >real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! > > This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing > that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender > verification. > > Sender verification works and works well. I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. I send a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have problems with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked broken in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they want to). Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3201516A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249AC13C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQTwy-000D7t-Ee; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:43:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:43:22 -0600 To: Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Justin Mason , User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:25 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net > LLC wrote: >> >> On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: >> >>> >>> for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this >>> as an anti-spam technique. >>> >>> Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, >>> in my >>> opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers >>> looking to >>> evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to >>> find >>> real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! >> >> This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing >> that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender >> verification. >> >> Sender verification works and works well. > > I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump > through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. No, it forces you to set up a correct RFC abiding system > I send > a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have problems > with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I > usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked broken > in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they > want to). If your system is following the RFCs then you should have no problems. YOU should fix your broken system. Sending emails without a valid from address is disconsiderate. Why should I accept a mail from an account that violates the RFCs about accepting DSN back? Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:46:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADC16A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B15E13C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773BF1A4D9A; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9A2EF51375; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:46:50 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Message-ID: <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Justin Mason , User Questions , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:46:52 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:43:22PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > >On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net > >LLC wrote: > >> > >>On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this > >>>as an anti-spam technique. > >>> > >>>Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, > >>>in my > >>>opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers > >>>looking to > >>>evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to > >>>find > >>>real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! > >> > >>This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing > >>that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender > >>verification. > >> > >>Sender verification works and works well. > > > >I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump > >through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. > > No, it forces you to set up a correct RFC abiding system > > >I send > >a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have problems > >with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I > >usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked broken > >in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they > >want to). > > If your system is following the RFCs then you should have no > problems. YOU should fix your broken system. Sending emails without > a valid from address is disconsiderate. Why should I accept a mail > from an account that violates the RFCs about accepting DSN back? Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c in order to complete delivery of the email. kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:48:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ADC16A405; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769C13C457; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E6568600E47; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kW1p2EThNzRh; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id C534C68600419; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070311194849.GB881@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org References: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 OpenPKG/2.5 Cc: Subject: Re: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007, Alexander Schlichting wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I >am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it >gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server. It's been my experience that this has been related to NAT (Network Address Translation), IP masquerading or possibly other firewall settings, and may well not be FreeBSD specific. One of my customers had a problem like this in the last week or so and tracked it down to settings on their LinkSys BEFVP41 VPN router which had some firewall setting that caused ssh connections to drop (it wasn't NAT on this as I've not had this problem with other BEFVP41s). We ran all internal traffic through a Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 system, with a 2.4 Linux kernel with ipchains IP masquerading, and it would drop ssh connections after several minuted of inactivity (I would often run top on the remote system just to keep the connection alive when I wasn't doing something that would create activity). When we switched our border machine to a SLES9 machine with a 2.6 Linux kernel and iptables NAT the problem went away. There are also ssh_config and sshd_config parameters that relate to tcp timeouts and keep alive actions. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software, LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 ``I presume you all know who I am. I am humble Abraham Lincoln. I have been solicited by many friends to become a candidate for the legistlature. My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system, and a high protective tariff.'' -- Abraham Lincoln, 1832 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:48:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ADC16A405; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769C13C457; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E6568600E47; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kW1p2EThNzRh; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id C534C68600419; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070311194849.GB881@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org References: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 OpenPKG/2.5 Cc: Subject: Re: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007, Alexander Schlichting wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I >am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it >gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server. It's been my experience that this has been related to NAT (Network Address Translation), IP masquerading or possibly other firewall settings, and may well not be FreeBSD specific. One of my customers had a problem like this in the last week or so and tracked it down to settings on their LinkSys BEFVP41 VPN router which had some firewall setting that caused ssh connections to drop (it wasn't NAT on this as I've not had this problem with other BEFVP41s). We ran all internal traffic through a Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 system, with a 2.4 Linux kernel with ipchains IP masquerading, and it would drop ssh connections after several minuted of inactivity (I would often run top on the remote system just to keep the connection alive when I wasn't doing something that would create activity). When we switched our border machine to a SLES9 machine with a 2.6 Linux kernel and iptables NAT the problem went away. There are also ssh_config and sshd_config parameters that relate to tcp timeouts and keep alive actions. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software, LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 ``I presume you all know who I am. I am humble Abraham Lincoln. I have been solicited by many friends to become a candidate for the legistlature. My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system, and a high protective tariff.'' -- Abraham Lincoln, 1832 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2537A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B3113C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1877695ugh for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iew2GgX/3mCpFKeObKlJCm2TL+oB+NDdUVga8DU/V71+fmaRL6ojYIfYtOVTtG/PFohVTwawT+eLOmQgjv07vsauEvOiUlP277ZOp6IwyKqnGDEhHS6FKzUA+D8VvzYV8dJ7TJypdf5mXsIV/B+otdf5+snfVOVnjkOkGqqvJXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hRodg6kdKeA6EQUSEdmouxkneepB58t4J8z9De6f3nQPmnEyJXsW6q8EEo8qd9HAbtOWrsWlWppx6/mM82uKI0bHv862IEXqhlaxQnJqgZKTuOxLw3057twJ1+5xIq7bjg47FHbnu4qMDuYsGTUbg9cTBhNiqYkLdNq3Em7qcZ4= Received: by 10.70.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr8676726wxc.1173642758470; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.15 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14989d6e0703111252o4ad438ddw5bde5916e0e6b396@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:38 +0000 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070311132239.W98425@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> <20070311132239.W98425@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:41 -0000 On 11/03/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > There have been *many* problems over the years with rsh and telnet. rsh's > > security model comes from a time when people thought computers would never > > exactly true. so i use rsh between MY machines and rsh and telnet when > sniffing is not a problem. > > wasn't easier just to answer the question? Well, no offense ment, but there are many people posting questions to this list, and some of them aren't aware of potential security problems of actions they want to perform. So generally if a question with a potential harmfull consequence is asked people are told of these fact, because noone here on this list can guess if it is known, or not. Wouldn't it have been easier for you to tell people on this list that you are aware of the problems? I mean, instead of getting rude? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C535516A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9BA13C45A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id D6037471836 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:56:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.MEIWay.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD0313867C3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:56:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) X-AV-Checked: Sun Mar 11 20:56:30 2007 virusgate.meiway.com Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF0C38678A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:56:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from TX2.Go2France.com [66.90.247.9] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AAE41A5200C4; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:39:16 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:56:19 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070311203962.SM03288@TX2.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:56:23 -0000 >Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about >systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c >in order to complete delivery of the email. that's challenge/response, which has been widely discredited for years. SAV is a receiving MX probing the MX of sender@domain.tld for verification of sender as known recipient. Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A1916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ADF13C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQUBp-000Dlk-L9; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:58:45 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311194443.26033.qmail@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311194443.26033.qmail@simone.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:58:44 -0600 To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:58:46 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Sender verification works and works well. > > I suppose that if you define "works" to include mailbombing innocent > third parties, then that might be true. > > I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see > upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the > like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. > Gee, thanks a lot. Verification has nothing to do with bounces and mail bombs. You may get some traffic from verification but you would need to separate that out from the rest which is unrelated before you have a meaningful statistic. > >> Sorry, but you conclusion does not follow. Sender verification has >> been around for a while and this has not happened in my experience. >> Ie, there is no greater use of real FROM addresses than there was >> before. > > What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses > were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're > picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. > > I've had to locally blacklist a few places specifically because of > all of their abusive verification. If that's what you want, well ... That is up to you. If you claim to handle mail services for a certain domain, that includes verifying that mail is from you or not. YOU are responsible for the mail sent with your domain on it. > > Oh, and the way my MTA is set up, a verification callback doesn't > work. But that doesn't keep the clueless from trying. That is your business. But you are in violation of the RFCs Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:00:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4703916A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323CC13C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQUDC-000Dx6-Fc; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:00:10 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <63F5EA49-DF46-4795-AB00-D81C2E26762E@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:00:04 -0600 To: Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:00:13 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:43:22PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net > LLC wrote: >> >> On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net >>> LLC wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this >>>>> as an anti-spam technique. >>>>> >>>>> Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, >>>>> in my >>>>> opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers >>>>> looking to >>>>> evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to >>>>> find >>>>> real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! >>>> >>>> This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing >>>> that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender >>>> verification. >>>> >>>> Sender verification works and works well. >>> >>> I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump >>> through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. >> >> No, it forces you to set up a correct RFC abiding system >> >>> I send >>> a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have >>> problems >>> with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I >>> usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked >>> broken >>> in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they >>> want to). >> >> If your system is following the RFCs then you should have no >> problems. YOU should fix your broken system. Sending emails without >> a valid from address is disconsiderate. Why should I accept a mail >> from an account that violates the RFCs about accepting DSN back? > > Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about > systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c > in order to complete delivery of the email. No, we are talking about the MTA verifying that the sender address is a real address that can accept either mail back or at least a properly formatted DSN back. The things you talk about ARE a PITA and I usually ignore them unless the person is wanting to give me money... (Ie a customer who placed an order with another business I run for example). Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:08:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A456B16A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [208.31.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0356613C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 49672 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 20:08:29 -0000 Received: from simone.iecc.com (208.31.42.47) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2007 20:08:29 -0000 Date: 11 Mar 2007 20:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Organization: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: chad@shire.net Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:36 -0000 >> I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see >> upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the >> like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. >> Gee, thanks a lot. > >Verification has nothing to do with bounces and mail bombs. You may >get some traffic from verification but you would need to separate >that out from the rest which is unrelated before you have a >meaningful statistic. I have, it's meaningful. Verizon is the worst offender, but at least they put their attack hosts in a separate easy to block IP range. >> What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses >> were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're >> picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. > >They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have >had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. Definitely different planets. Bye. R's, John PS: >> YOU are responsible for the mail sent with your domain on it. Oh, OK. So when someone sends out mail with your forged return address saying "buy this worthless stock, then get your kiddy porn here", you will report directly to jail without complaining, right? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:10:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77B716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149313C46A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1927459wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr2933116agz.1173643817896; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34sm6937078wra.2007.03.11.13.10.17; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:10:05 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070311161005.58928e7f@localhost> In-Reply-To: <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> Organization: Seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:18 -0000 --Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:03 +0000 Hugo Silva wrote: [...] > Oh well, your server, your password. Just don't say you were not > warned. I believe the following sums up my feeling on the matter. It is not the OS's job to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot. Rather, if you so choose to do so, then it is the OS's job to deliver Mr. Bullet to Mr. Foot in the most efficient manner possible. --=20 Gerard "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location ... and I'm not even too sure about that one" Dennis Huges, F.B.I. --Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF9GInFCqdq4D1ybYRAskzAKDahyaxAnE3d5F3PgX0zo4VHdvPIgCgnjcx nhDkZVW/7C6pbXitdLGMB5Y= =3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:11:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EEA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [208.31.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A376013C489 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 19065 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 19:44:43 -0000 Received: from simone.iecc.com (208.31.42.47) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2007 19:44:43 -0000 Date: 11 Mar 2007 19:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20070311194443.26033.qmail@simone.iecc.com> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> Organization: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: chad@shire.net Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:26 -0000 >Sender verification works and works well. I suppose that if you define "works" to include mailbombing innocent third parties, then that might be true. I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. Gee, thanks a lot. >Sorry, but you conclusion does not follow. Sender verification has >been around for a while and this has not happened in my experience. >Ie, there is no greater use of real FROM addresses than there was >before. What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. I've had to locally blacklist a few places specifically because of all of their abusive verification. If that's what you want, well ... Oh, and the way my MTA is set up, a verification callback doesn't work. But that doesn't keep the clueless from trying. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F111116A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@kendallnet.co.uk) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E7413C4AD for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@kendallnet.co.uk) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8DBADB00008A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from andypc2 (user-54471877.wfd83a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.24.119]) by mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3DA3EB000084 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070311201254252.3DA3EB000084@mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com From: "Andy Kendall" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdkGadZfi80EWr5QBOJhlg058YMPA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:56 -0000 As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in detail, (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for a lot of help. In my opinion it relies on far too high a plateau of knowledge by it's readers to be of initial use. Am I really that thick or does anyone else feel this way? Do the email list respondents find themselves answering the same questions over and over? Is there some way I can help to upgrade the manual entries with the detail I find necessary to get things working and understand how they work, thereby hopefully benefiting following newbs? Is there a FreeBSD for dummies? Thanks Andy (very frustrated) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:29:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1168616A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FFD13C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQUfj-000F5R-9r; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:29:39 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0AC225E6-E55D-4C20-9A00-2EDD95985848@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:29:38 -0600 To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:40 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:08 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see >>> upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the >>> like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. >>> Gee, thanks a lot. >> >> Verification has nothing to do with bounces and mail bombs. You may >> get some traffic from verification but you would need to separate >> that out from the rest which is unrelated before you have a >> meaningful statistic. > > I have, it's meaningful. Verizon is the worst offender, but at least > they put their attack hosts in a separate easy to block IP range. Amazing, as I run mail for lots of domains, and replying to sender verification is almost a nonexistent load compared to the mail bombs and bounces etc. Show me your numbers. > >>> What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return >>> addresses >>> were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're >>> picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. >> >> They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have >> had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. > > Definitely different planets. Bye. When you come back to earth, let us know :-) > > R's, > John > > PS: > >>> YOU are responsible for the mail sent with your domain on it. > > Oh, OK. So when someone sends out mail with your forged return > address saying "buy this worthless stock, then get your kiddy porn > here", you will report directly to jail without complaining, right? I phrased it wrong. You are not responsible for the content, but you are responsible for the mail domain and that includes verifying that mail is validly from your domain you are responsible for. email is a cooperative service where all people promise to expend resources to make it work, and to follow the RFCs. If you block valid verification, you are abrogating your responsibility to the rest of the net to cooperate in the exchange of email and you are breaking the RFCs. (valid verification includes checking that the sender can accept a proper DSN back, which is required of the sender to do). Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:36:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C31816A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djdexter@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2819513C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djdexter@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1781147muf for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kRlG5WTdUFRK8ggPU3r78DDz2VNjUiJK52eFbsP6e55nCb7i15Sg5PJyLXJMhEx/2SdhsrYUdYFqjSVFKpvcoXnHdNvJMIxkDM99Ec7UTRecZpmSJ6H6BiDsiRYMHiiMEUWCnIAUCeJCec8DQoUIHQTzqCNFCwa/UT+uTaHehxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NVNE1MAikJoEXmOInXnbQPn/q95R/bcL25QpnrEaw/KkoPxkp/1gErkJD8fD2zM03wpC1Rmr6o/QqNhR1Qc3ydLwFjLJNzaUOwIrbvmm3cPJz2A9NYqOJVABnvSXVgGvzm+3XIFi4G7dkHN2v0L52atdlJd4Q5vRJ70NnLc6HY4= Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr7073320bud.1173645375896; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:36:15 -0400 From: dex To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:17 -0000 On 3/11/07, Andy Kendall wrote: > As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in detail, > (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for a lot > of help. > In my opinion it relies on far too high a plateau of knowledge by it's > readers to be of initial use. > Am I really that thick or does anyone else feel this way? > Do the email list respondents find themselves answering the same questions > over and over? > Is there some way I can help to upgrade the manual entries with the detail I > find necessary to get things working and understand how they work, thereby > hopefully benefiting following newbs? > Is there a FreeBSD for dummies? I agree. I've been using FreeBSD for more than 7 years. I love it, but it has taken me a while to get to this point. Others I know also have trouble with it initially. A lot of that is due to the installer and what they find on www.freebsd.org. I think the reason for that is most of the core people spend most of their time in the core of the system, since most users are people who have been using unix for a long time and so already know a lot about it. With that said (typed), I think it has steadily improved. If you have some time to spare, you can join the documentation project - http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/who.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:45:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDC716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B2613C45B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from [66.180.132.238] (unknown [66.180.132.238]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317785C1F; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:45:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:45:30 -1000 From: NetOpsCenter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060417 FreeBSD/i386 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Bowen References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:31 -0000 Patrick Bowen wrote: > Jonathan Horne wrote: > >> ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off >> from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my >> laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to >> the minimal desktop. >> >> id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like >> to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. >> >> can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader >> and web browser works best with your recommendation? >> >> thanks, >> jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > Jonathan; > > Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real > minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be > found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Jonathan, I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple GUI which I use on any Desktops I build. The video is clear and is simple. ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and install easily from ports. Aloha, ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + noc@hdk5.net + + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* + "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:45:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BB116A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A38F13C457 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BKjeQR052266; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:45:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BKjc7B052263; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:45:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:45:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Jonathan Horne In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Message-ID: <20070311214419.F52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:52 -0000 > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. you should first define what "desktop" is. i use xorg+fvwm2 with much modified (cut down) configuration, having most of things attached to keys. > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? i use opera and links. for mail i use text-mode pine From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:46:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CFC16A405 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E2213C487 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BKkogT052396; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:46:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BKkoUf052393; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:46:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:46:50 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Gerard Seibert In-Reply-To: <20070311161005.58928e7f@localhost> Message-ID: <20070311214626.H52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> <20070311161005.58928e7f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:46:50 -0000 > I believe the following sums up my feeling on the matter. > > It is not the OS's job to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot. boom... i'm dead.. at least for 4 years :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:47:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1248A16A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FE413C487 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BKlafX052507; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:47:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BKlai8052504; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:47:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:47:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Andy Kendall In-Reply-To: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> Message-ID: <20070311214721.O52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:47:36 -0000 > As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in detail, > (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for a lot > of help. what's missing? i think it's quite detailed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:53:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B3416A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D9813C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5633F37E46; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:53:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3235380FF; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:52:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (81-231-90-251-no41.tbcn.telia.com [81.231.90.251]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D19337E47; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:52:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:50:53 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Horne References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:53:01 -0000 Hello Jonathan, I had great help from this mailing list setting up wdm+fluxbox recently. They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives! Good luck! Jonathan Horne skrev: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:55:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C417916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [208.31.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4299B13C45A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 6422 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 20:55:22 -0000 Received: from simone.iecc.com (208.31.42.47) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2007 20:55:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 20:55:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John L To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" In-Reply-To: <0AC225E6-E55D-4C20-9A00-2EDD95985848@shire.net> Message-ID: <20070311165028.S44863@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> <0AC225E6-E55D-4C20-9A00-2EDD95985848@shire.net> Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:55:23 -0000 > I phrased it wrong. You are not responsible for the content, but you are > responsible for the mail domain and that includes verifying that mail is > validly from your domain you are responsible for. Oh, OK. So if someone sends pump and dump with a chad@shire.net return address, and I do a callback and your MTA says "yup! that's a 100% valid address!" then I turn you in to the SEC, rignt? You have now confirmed that the mail is from you, after all. Or if you haven't, what purpose did the callback serve? There is some reasonable validation technology coming along, most notably DKIM which which I presume you are familiar. But callbacks are not it. > and you are breaking the RFCs. (valid verification includes checking that > the sender can accept a proper DSN back, which is required of the sender to > do). Uh huh. Which RFC is this that says I have to permit a fake partial DSN transaction? If you have a DSN, send it. If you don't, don't. Don't forget that the From: line address need not be the same as the bounce address; in my mail it never is. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:59:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A5316A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:59:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D557613C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2BI61nP032489 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:59:40 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 20:59:39 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:59:38 -0300 Message-Id: <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:59:42 -0000 > What do you gain by allowing telnet access to your hosts that you don't > get with ssh? > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Senior Information Security Analyst > The University of Texas at Dallas > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ > > --=========7CEE76846768256DC8==========-- > !DSPAM:3,45f438e7216243993713574! May be I am an incurable romantic from the old times that likes "telnet", sendmail, finger... daytime... bsd lpr.... and never give up from BSD, I use it since 1.0 release... I agree that ssh is better, etc... etc... but I still use sendmail and telnet... Once I setted up a mailserver with more that 2000 users with a single freebsd sendmail in a small machine (1Ghz,512Mb memory, Freebsd 4.X) one internet connection.. with virtual users, mailertable... and it worked for years... by the way... it had telnetd avaiable... Welll.... Have anyone yet "cracked" the telnet enable machine whose IP was published in the list? I remember some time ago a machine named "Coen....." who challenged anynone crack it... she published the address, the login and the password... and in addition, she said there were a "bug" in the system... Well.... if I remember, the machine stayed alive for several months with all the hackers, crackers, and xxxckers.... hitting it... It was FreeBSD 5.X series.... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:03:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47F516A46D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548A313C46E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1892419ugh for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr8764719wxa.1173647024718; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i13sm5046573wxd.2007.03.11.14.03.43; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:03:41 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070311170341.3f3c5ae9@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070311214626.H52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> <20070311161005.58928e7f@localhost> <20070311214626.H52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> Organization: Seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_D5pK6g1NbR7XLjJ2rQixHik; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:03:46 -0000 --Sig_D5pK6g1NbR7XLjJ2rQixHik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:46:50 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I believe the following sums up my feeling on the matter. > > > > It is not the OS's job to stop you from shooting yourself in the > > foot. =20 >=20 > boom... i'm dead.. > at least for 4 years :) Sorry to hear that! ... ;::::; ;::::; :; ;:::::' :; ;:::::; ;. ,:::::' ; OOO\ ::::::; ; OOOOO\ ;:::::; ; OOOOOOOO ,;::::::; ;' / OOOOOOO ;:::::::::`. ,,,;. / / DOOOOOO .';:::::::::::::::::;, / / DOOOO ,::::::;::::::;;;;::::;, / / DOOO ;`::::::`'::::::;;;::::: ,#/ / DOOO :`:::::::`;::::::;;::: ;::# / DOOO ::`:::::::`;:::::::: ;::::# / DOO `:`:::::::`;:::::: ;::::::#/ DOO :::`:::::::`;; ;:::::::::## OO ::::`:::::::`;::::::::;:::# OO `:::::`::::::::::::;'`:;::# O `:::::`::::::::;' / / `:# ::::::`:::::;' / / `# --=20 Gerard Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers! Firesign Theatre --Sig_D5pK6g1NbR7XLjJ2rQixHik Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF9G6tFCqdq4D1ybYRAl29AJ9+MRoQ/JqxQ6KH0iI2ldT8IIyvygCfbcHk jgXaFXfPa1eBMgInZEkGJhI= =AOYV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_D5pK6g1NbR7XLjJ2rQixHik-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9920316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C7513C487 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQVLa-000Gsd-UU; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:12:55 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311165028.S44863@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> <0AC225E6-E55D-4C20-9A00-2EDD95985848@shire.net> <20070311165028.S44863@simone.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A34E823-ECE3-4CE9-AD0B-84580699CF41@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:12:53 -0600 To: John L X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:55 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, John L wrote: >> I phrased it wrong. You are not responsible for the content, but >> you are responsible for the mail domain and that includes >> verifying that mail is validly from your domain you are >> responsible for. > > Oh, OK. So if someone sends pump and dump with a chad@shire.net > return address, and I do a callback and your MTA says "yup! that's > a 100% valid address!" then I turn you in to the SEC, rignt? You do know what the SEC is, right? > You have now confirmed that the mail is from you, after all. No, it only confirms that the sender address is an actual address. > Or if you haven't, what purpose did the callback serve? > It served to identify that it is possible a valid email. A failure is almost definitely a non valid email. It is a test which helps determine whether to accept it. We have a policy of not accepting mail from people who cannot accept DSNs back. That does not mean we give a blanket pass to those who pass address verification. > There is some reasonable validation technology coming along, most > notably DKIM which which I presume you are familiar. But callbacks > are not it. Callbacks are one tool in the toolbox. Maybe someday there will be better tools and we can retire address verification. Callbacks, at this point in time, work very well for differentiating a large amount of non valid mail from a smaller pool of possibly valid mail. DKIM is interesting and I am watching it. I am in the process of adding some support for it btw, both for our authorized senders, as well as in our receive phase. For example, we are considering not doing address verification on incoming mail that has a valid DKIM signature. > > >> and you are breaking the RFCs. (valid verification includes >> checking that the sender can accept a proper DSN back, which is >> required of the sender to do). > > Uh huh. Which RFC is this that says I have to permit a fake > partial DSN transaction? If you have a DSN, send it. If you > don't, don't. The RFCs require you to accept back DSNs. Testing that you do is a valid test to see if I am talking with a valid sender -- one who implements the RFCs and is not a rogue internet user who does not cooperate in the exchange of emails according to the agreed standards. Show me some real verifiable numbers that show that verification traffic to your box is a significant portion of the otherwise bad traffic of mail bombs, bounces, etc. On my system, and we support a lot of mail domains, some of which (now or in recent past) we "big name" domains that had a lot of exposure. Address verification traffic has always been small compared to our overall load. You are complaining about a non issue. I can say that address verification helps us reject the lion's share of spam we receive without having to process it further. Chad > > Don't forget that the From: line address need not be the same as > the bounce address; in my mail it never is. > > R's, > John --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:13:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F029116A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE1313C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 3197B471882 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.MEIWay.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 22EF238681E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) X-AV-Checked: Sun Mar 11 22:13:58 2007 virusgate.meiway.com Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B1338681B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from TX2.Go2France.com [66.90.247.9] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AD0B1D9D00C4; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:56:43 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:13:47 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070311215693.SM03288@TX2.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:13:51 -0000 >onfirmed that the mail is from you, after all No. His MX has only verified his email address, which does not say he sent the msg. Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:18:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC7016A405 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.alexander@msn.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2657413C465 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.alexander@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.20]) by bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:06:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:06:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:06:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.38.89.244] X-Originating-Email: [dan.alexander@msn.com] X-Sender: dan.alexander@msn.com From: "DANNY ALEXANDER" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:06:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2007 21:06:11.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[18CF36C0:01C76421] Cc: Subject: Sound Driver for REALTEK ALC660 ON BOARD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:18:12 -0000 I'm looking for the driver files for the Realtek ALC660 onboard sound card. I'm using an ASUS M2V and it works great. Except the sound. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:21:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3434D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1301513C4B9 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.69]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JER009C19V6LX90@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JER00LYM9V6RZX0@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:21:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from proven. 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(8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l2BKL4G4061273 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:21:03 -0700 From: Norbert Papke In-reply-to: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <200703111321.04229.fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca> Organization: Archaeological Filing MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> X-Authentication-warning: proven.: npapke set sender to fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca using -f User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 Subject: Re: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:21:59 -0000 On Sunday 11 March 2007 09:52, Alexander Schlichting wrote: > I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I > am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it > gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server > when the connection is always getting dropped. It is likely related to something in your network path dropping the connection when it is idle. Try the following in your server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config file. ClientAliveInterval 30 ClientAliveCountMax 10 Note that TCP keep-alives usually don't help in this situation because their interval is too large. Cheers. -- Norbert. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:35:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DA916A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: from web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E37813C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2249 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2007 21:35:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nXX7afOYTq1fpYzTxH17KEs5UpZRK9axsGJ1bWxqGbJtonm/HYu9TrK/sx7RxM/GMCmPz9RUOGgz08rzDk1kDtLCOj3u1rBNSgmMUuJiWwAoMzNtp27CDYOjCu+A7dowsVs9uxa7aOKglzfmZq/uHRkABGw0OUNwhTsvNDkhQQ0=; X-YMail-OSG: anhSVrgVM1kqRcJXTnkQ32Cm.qtphxnh699f3ouCXQ.71Cu.hGsO0cc8QjF0G0R.oG5Lk2MuXy2fIeT5lLuLuRWOhIE0GFr40bgP2HWRiZclpujEB83TXDeirnQVzv7h Received: from [68.164.15.239] by web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:42 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Paulette McGee To: Wojciech Puchar , Andy Kendall In-Reply-To: <20070311214721.O52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <765930.99936.qm@web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:35:43 -0000 --- Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the > manual/handbook is not great in detail, > > (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this > questions list for a lot > > of help. > > what's missing? i think it's quite detailed > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Wojciech, Yes, the handbook is quite detailed; however there are somethings missing. Not to start a flame war; these are just a few thoughts and they are in my humble opinion. 1) Upgrading Ports: There is a general overview of how ports should be upgraded. Now the part that is lacking is the index. Looking at section 4.5 in the handbook there is no mention of the INDEX files. Some update tools like portupgrade require the use of the INDEX file. You don't see the mention of the INDEX until you get to section A.6. Section A.6 is dedicated to portsnap. Now if the user doesn't use port snap but cvs; then they miss that point that you need the INDEX. Now getting or building the INDEX can be done if various ways via make or portsdb. But it my humble opinion; the explanation or the process can be explained better. Please correct me if I am wrong (anyone) but a simple out line that goes into the process (IE): 1) Update ports 1a) CVS 2b) portsnap 2) Build INDEX (depends on the tool; identify tools). Also what are the pro's and con's of obtaining the index from the methods listed below. 2a) "make index" 2b) "make fetchindex" 2c) portsdb -Uu 3) Use Tool 'X' to update / upgrade your ports The above is just a brief illustration about how the process can be improved. Please understand that this is my humble opinion; I am not looking to start a flame war. Now, one other issue; off the top of my head: pkgtools.conf. How does pkgtools.conf interact with the makefile in their respective ports directory? 1) Does it completely override it? 2) Does if it take a diff between the two and build the app? Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread. All I wanted to do was answer the question as well as point out what I think could be improved. PS: I wish the old section of the handbook "the anatomy of a port" was put back in the handbook. Just my .02 cents worth. Regards, Paulette McGee ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. 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TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 21:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA5316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA4713C455 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1125993ana for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:58:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b1POJ8gAr8D7P+22BoMltGZZED45blNVfcxZ7Hu2K5tggWMYTrWg4bCduNiifnklAOU/budojxwWFAO/OaxUIZzgyaGCZ2WRVs781oThp9K+3eXo3Boy9ZG4di2P6z1gFMVJvsZoNS+DzsxVG9bMY6w9k8qED8FZenmqRaF70uI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tnWnUBkJfCA1fZd1v52NzxRc6hTv8CP3rj1Go764LsGfyZRYOSoF2IeNEnpVB/Luu2LjEBV+KuiUZB2/+bIY4Z0nSVkhEUEyfOxIL6zsqX/DZQOjxtoGsSDPQA1PwhNu0MpJW4z06CYanDnz2cdPwNYk1i61wk9pVCwvAzIUJqA= Received: by 10.114.13.1 with SMTP id 1mr1039643wam.1173650324785; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.56.10 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:58:44 +0000 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "Sergio Lenzi" In-Reply-To: <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:58:46 -0000 On 11/03/07, Sergio Lenzi wrote: > > > > > What do you gain by allowing telnet access to your hosts that you don't > > get with ssh? > > > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > > Senior Information Security Analyst > > The University of Texas at Dallas > > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ > > > > --=========7CEE76846768256DC8==========-- > > !DSPAM:3,45f438e7216243993713574! > > > May be I am an incurable romantic from the old times > that likes "telnet", sendmail, finger... daytime... bsd lpr.... > and never give up from BSD, I use it since 1.0 release... Maybe you are, but even so, do you still use V7 on a PDP/11 or 32V on a VAX, make dumps to DECtape, or use a VT100? There's something to be said for modern PC hardware, xterms/gnome-terminal/konsole/screen, and yes, ssh. (Namely speed, convenience, and security, respectively). I went through a stage of using Linux with xman, xeyes, xterm, twm, etc., until I realised I was much more productive using KDE help and konsole/screen and kwin/WindowMaker. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:04:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E070A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anrays@gmail.com) Received: from mail.matrix.odessa.ua (mail.matrix.farlep.net [217.146.241.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4E813C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anrays@gmail.com) Received: from santinel.home.ua (senser.ppp.matrix.private [10.64.37.183]) by mail.matrix.odessa.ua with ESMTP id 1HQVZX-00074I-75 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:27:19 +0200 Received: from anray by santinel.home.ua with local (Exim 4.66; FreeBSD) id 1HQVai-0008Zd-Rw for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:28:32 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrey Slusar Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:28:32 +0200 Message-ID: <86abyjpj0f.fsf@santinel.home.ua> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.5-b27 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 5.4 (+++++) X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (5.4 points, 5.0 required, autolearn: no) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 5.4 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100% [score: 0.9906] X-Spam-Status: YES Subject: sound card ESI MAYA44MK2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:04:18 -0000 Hello! FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT is supported sound card ESI MAYA44MK2? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:13:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CF316A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F97E13C489 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: (qmail 19351 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 21:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.184.133.124) by smtpauth03-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.183) with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2007 21:47:11 -0000 Message-ID: <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:47:10 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Bryant References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> In-Reply-To: <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:53 -0000 On 03/11/2007 13:28, Sean Bryant wrote: > Jonathan Horne wrote: >> ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off >> from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my >> laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to >> the minimal desktop. >> >> id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like >> to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. >> >> can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader >> and web browser works best with your recommendation? >> >> thanks, >> jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ > It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function > and a fair bit of eyecandy. I'll second the E17! > > I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the > functionality I want built right in. > > As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's > utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because > it just works the way I want. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Regards, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:26:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F50016A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1241A13C465 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id B6AAE471836 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:26:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.MEIWay.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B1DB138678A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:26:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) X-AV-Checked: Sun Mar 11 23:26:58 2007 virusgate.meiway.com Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE2738671B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:26:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from TX2.Go2France.com [66.90.247.9] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AE26211700C4; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:09:42 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:26:45 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <20070311173757.F53087@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> <0AC225E6-E55D-4C20-9A00-2EDD95985848@shire.net> <20070311165028.S44863@simone.iecc.com> <200703112151359.SM03288@TX2.Go2France.com> <20070311173757.F53087@simone.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <200703112309140.SM03288@TX2.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:26:51 -0000 >>>onfirmed that the mail is from you, after all >> >>No. His MX has only verified his email address, which does not say >>he sent the msg. > >Then what was the point? "His MX has only verified his email address" Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7404E16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5BF13C48C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394121F77FD; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:27 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: XW2w3K/kvnGvPRzme5kUZU2N09x0HtpDT/L8byl68k1g 1173652106 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9E013FD1; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:26 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:28:23 -0500 To: Ed Zwart X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:27 -0000 [mailed and posted] On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Ed Zwart wrote: > I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, > but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to > point foo.homedns.org to my IP. I am going to add my voice to those suggesting that you use your ISP's mail server for outgoing mail. There are a number of reasons. First of all, if you are on a dynamic IP, it is very likely that your ISP blocks outgoing STMP traffic that doesn't go via their own mail server. That is, they won't allow "direct to MX" mailing from dynamic addresses. Another reason is that it just isn't a good idea to run your own direct to MX mail system, unless you have some real expertise in how mail transport works. Professionally, I set up mail servers for small and medium sized businesses, and in more and more cases, I actually suggest that they use outside mail servers for their out going mail. (Generally, I think that ISPs tend to do really poor jobs with email and that it is best to avoid being locked into your ISP for much, so I recommend services like fastmail.fm.) Let me also add, that while I do set up and manage mail servers for others, I don't do direct to MX from home myself. (Well, I do for a mailing list server I run, but not for my normal everyday mailing.) So even with the expertise needed, I don't really recommend running your own MX (incoming) or own Direct to MX (outgoing) servers unless you have a specific need to fill. Anyway With postfix you just need to specify relayhost=YOUR-ISPS-OUTGOING-SMTP-SERVER-HERE in /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf and then run # postfix reload Then just send a test, eg $ mail -s test your@external-email-addres < /dev/null to see what happens. If your ISP wants authentication for handling your outgoing mail, look at http://macosx.com/tech-support/smtp-relay-host-authentication/938.html which describes how to configure postfix for that on Mac OS X. For FreeBSD just replace /private/etc/postfix/ in all of the paths mentioned with /usr/local/etc/postfix/ -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:32:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CC216A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B414813C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BMWF9E064725; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:32:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BMWEFV064722; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:32:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:32:14 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Jeff Rollin In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311232739.D64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Sergio Lenzi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:15 -0000 > > Maybe you are, but even so, do you still use V7 on a PDP/11 or 32V on a VAX, > make dumps to DECtape, or use a VT100? There's something to be said for i still have (in many places) Wyse 120 terminals i've got for free, including one at home :) works at vt220 at 38400 baud, very well From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF4416A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14EF13C45D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BMWsWW064805; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:32:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BMWsbV064802; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:32:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:32:54 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Gerard Seibert In-Reply-To: <20070311170341.3f3c5ae9@localhost> Message-ID: <20070311233229.J64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> <20070311161005.58928e7f@localhost> <20070311214626.H52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311170341.3f3c5ae9@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:53 -0000 > > ... > ;::::; > ;::::; :; > ;:::::' :; > ;:::::; ;. > ,:::::' ; OOO\ > ::::::; ; OOOOO\ > ;:::::; ; OOOOOOOO > ,;::::::; ;' / OOOOOOO > ;:::::::::`. ,,,;. / / DOOOOOO > .';:::::::::::::::::;, / / DOOOO > ,::::::;::::::;;;;::::;, / / DOOO > ;`::::::`'::::::;;;::::: ,#/ / DOOO > :`:::::::`;::::::;;::: ;::# / DOOO > ::`:::::::`;:::::::: ;::::# / DOO > `:`:::::::`;:::::: ;::::::#/ DOO > :::`:::::::`;; ;:::::::::## OO > ::::`:::::::`;::::::::;:::# OO > `:::::`::::::::::::;'`:;::# O > `:::::`::::::::;' / / `:# > ::::::`:::::;' / / `# > nice to meet you :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:33:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A7716A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410B513C4B7 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BMXnue064931; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:33:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BMXn2r064928; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:33:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:33:49 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Paulette McGee In-Reply-To: <765930.99936.qm@web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070311233302.O64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <765930.99936.qm@web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Andy Kendall Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:33:48 -0000 >> > Hello Wojciech, > Yes, the handbook is quite detailed; however there are > somethings missing. Not to start a flame war; these > are just a few thoughts and they are in my humble > opinion. > why you don't write such part and fixes? i am sure it will be included in new releases if you only post them From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:34:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF5716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACAA13C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B535C1F78CC; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:34:19 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: K7LtODioeHeoacuNzRh9xYgoqDc3zrSRBPkDi2HUXxEu 1173652459 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC9515A3A; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0AC8A2B3-E550-48E9-AC12-31CE361C9D7D@goldmark.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:34:16 -0500 To: Susanth K X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:34:19 -0000 [mailed and posted] On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Susanth K wrote: > Am new to FreeBSD; ( Sorry; if Any of u find this as a silly > Question ) Have you been given a course assignment which involves describing things about FreeBSD (and possibly other systems)? It certainly seems that way to me. So from this point on, for any question that you ask which can be answered with a little bit of your own digging around through what is already made public on the 'net, I am going to recommend that you do that digging yourself. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:39:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AE916A406 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E951B13C46A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BMdMZ7065580; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:39:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BMdM5R065577; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:39:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:39:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Sergio Lenzi In-Reply-To: <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070311233420.O64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:21 -0000 > > Once I setted up a mailserver with more that 2000 users > with a single freebsd sendmail in a small machine (1Ghz,512Mb memory, > Freebsd 4.X) one internet connection.. with virtual users, > mailertable... and it > worked for years... by the way... it had telnetd avaiable... exactly like me. i do prefer sendmail for mail (+procmail), always provide both telnet, ssh and rsh/rlogin for shell users (and me), always use rsh/rcp when scrambling is not needed, etc. etc. > Have anyone yet "cracked" the telnet enable machine whose > IP was published in the list? i published mine. > months > with all the hackers, crackers, and xxxckers.... hitting it... > if there will be security hole in one of your (or mine) services we use, someone will be able to crack. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:45:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3714B16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EE613C48A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BMijae066211; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:44:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BMijdD066208; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:44:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:44:45 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Eric Schuele In-Reply-To: <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> Message-ID: <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Sean Bryant Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:45:03 -0000 >> a fair bit of eyecandy. > > I'll second the E17! > i like to get all icons, menus, frames and windows to minimum, as it doesn't improve productivity, while taking space of the screen. as i found (at least with fvwm2) that minimum=ZERO i did this and use that config for over 3 years (with netbsd before switching to freebsd) completely black desktop, 24 virtual "consoles" (keys Windows-F1 to F12, CTRL-F1 to F12 and Windows-arrows), x terminal with Windows-X, other programs with menu key and menu, all programs started full screen by default, window frames and titles removed, all screen available for ACTUAL USE. sometimes when i have to use windows machine, after few minutes of use i automatically press Windows-right arrow trying to switch console from that game and do something useful. unfortunately it doesn't work there ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 22:48:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAF216A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from gothmog.akp-net.com (gothmog.akp-net.com [194.126.172.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3827213C4B8 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from p579a89dd.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.154.137.221] helo=ANGBAND) by gothmog.akp-net.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQWTE-0004j9-Ps for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:24:52 +0100 From: "Alexander Schlichting" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:24:13 +0100 Message-ID: <03aa01c7642c$11878060$34968120$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcdkK/9oGflpFtbZSn+EqZB/GR9UTw== Content-Language: de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Problems with SSHD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:48:52 -0000 Hi, I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server when the connection is always getting dropped. The server is running FreeBSD angmar.domain.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 and the SSHD installed by sysinstall OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeBSD-20061110, OpenSSL 0.9.7e-p1 25 Oct 2004 . I tried a complete FreeBSD reinstall but it did not help, I tried various settings like KeepAlive TCPKeepAlive but they did not help either. I upgraded OpenSSL to 0.9.8e and I installed OpenSSH 4.6p1 but it did not solve the problem. When I run SSH with loglevel debug I see this in the auth.log when I am getting disconnected: Read error from remote host 192.168.2.100: Connection reset by peer . When I use strace to monitor the process I see this on disconnect 643 wait4(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], WNOHANG, NULL) = 4975 643 wait4(-1, 0xbfbfdc9c, WNOHANG, NULL) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes) 643 syscall_416(0x14, 0, 0xbfbfdc20) = 0 643 syscall_417(0xbfbfdcd0) = -1 (errno 4) 643 select(7, [3 4], NULL, NULL, NULL I tried to find information's about syscall_417 but had no luck with that. I am stuck here and have no idea what to do. When I am connected to the server by FTP I don't get disconnected when the connection is idle ( no nohup or so being sent ) and when I connect by Telnet I also don't get disconnected when the connection is idle. I am not sure if I should add the dmesg output here for sys specs or not. I don't do it now but can give it if needed. I installed Debian on another HDD of the server today and I am not having any problems there. No SSH disconnects all the time. Thanks for any help. -Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 23:44:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F252016A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7093313C457 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BNiRh8073057; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:44:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BNiQKF073052; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:44:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:44:26 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Jeffrey Goldberg In-Reply-To: <0AC8A2B3-E550-48E9-AC12-31CE361C9D7D@goldmark.org> Message-ID: <20070312003957.L72143@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> <0AC8A2B3-E550-48E9-AC12-31CE361C9D7D@goldmark.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Susanth K , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:44:31 -0000 > about FreeBSD (and possibly other systems)? > > It certainly seems that way to me. So from this point on, for any question for me it looks like writing well scored essay for computer lessons at school. it's very common on polish USENET on all computer groups, and it's clearly evident most cases that people don't really understand the question they ask. i don't state that it's Susanth case but it certainly looks this way. If not - why she don't ask about some available X CPU machines where X is amount of CPU she need. Of course assuming some type of CPU having known computing power. If so - she should specify what kind of task she would like to perform on that machine. With such question there will be possible answers like "this should be OK for that job" or not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 23:56:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A01316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:56:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB28713C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup224.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.224]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l2BNppSU024804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:55:29 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BNphNp060655; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:51:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l2BNn1l1060625; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:49:01 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:49:00 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Susanth K Message-ID: <20070311234900.GB60396@kobe.laptop> References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.774, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.62, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:56:53 -0000 On 2007-03-11 22:21, Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? Sort of. Great parts of FreeBSD, in fact the vast majority of the source code, is written in C. But it is not *completely* written in C. > Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? Yes. The source code is freely available online. You can check for yourself :) > And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) Yes, the officially supported compiler is the GCC version that comes with the base system. But this does not mean that only the particular GCC compiler suite works for developing software on FreeBSD. You can find a wealth of compilers for a huge collection of languages in the Ports Collection. Compilers exist for FORTRAN, Haskell, Pascal, Modula 3, etc. Interpreters and interactive environments for Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp and Scheme are easy to install too. You name it, and the Ports probably has a compiler or interpreter for it already. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 23:11:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D0F16A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992C413C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77E31F7209; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:11:59 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 6vLR8UUyAW9gl1GWNP0U8mM1IU/os1JSB5nDkxtlUG71 1173654719 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3010B956B; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:11:54 -0500 To: Kelly Jones X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:12:55 +0000 Cc: nmosug-l@mailman.swcp.com, linuxusersgroup@googlegroups.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nmlug@nmlug.org, users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:12:00 -0000 [mailed and posted] On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: > To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in > real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does > this? > > The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I connect to > the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: > [...] > RCPT TO: > 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 > ... User unknown > > > This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail > from that address is probably bogus. > > A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary > failures [...] In some anti-spam discussions what you are proposing is referred to as "call-backs". > I realize this technique is far from perfect: > > Spammers spoof legit addresses Indeed they do. As someone who has at times received more than 100 bounces per minute over the span of a week because some spammer decided that my address would be a good one to forge, I am well aware of that. In general, we have a question of how well any spamming counter measure scales. If most SMTP servers did the kind of verification you wish to do, than most spam would be sent with forged genuine addresses. So when considering using such a system, consider the overall cost to legitimate users vs the counter counter measures spammers will take. In this case the counter counter measures available to spammers is so much easier and cheaper than the verification system itself, that it's not really a good idea to try such verification. > Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses > > It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers As you've already seen, some managers of MXes complain, others find the added load negligible. > Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, > figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" Yes. An unknown user response is more likely to get the address removed from a list than a policy bounce. > Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where > xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and > send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email > at the SMTP level Yes. While I'm a believer in "reject early, reject often" lots of sites don't or can't say that an address is bad at SMTP RCPT TO: time. Often these are situations where an MS-Exchange server is the "real" mailhub for an organization, but it is being protected from direct access from the Internet by having a Unix box stand between it and the network. Other MTAs just accept and then bounce (instead of rejected at SMTP time) as a matter of (mis)design. Some very deliberately don't provide verification at STMP time as a means to make it harder for spammers to collect email addresses. Indeed, this is why the VRFY command is almost never implemented by STMP servers these days. Anyway, others have pointed you to tools for doing what you want. The newsgroups or mailing lists (and FAQs) for the particular MTA you use will point you to how to plug in such tools into their MTA. As I've suggested, I'm not a particular fan of this particular counter measure, but you will have seen that opinions differ. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 00:27:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22D016A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8844F13C483 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 74033 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2007 00:27:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=yXcA+wEcjbxv91ELzHSukkzWBFlkpvtMcLCj8Vwo6+OafJwasvdq6nNFGImRMhX19vXRovxC6UMx8TNsvLO9JjM0wxC4WZmHdBd9v3cejmC2HgtF9xVUdhi9kDaSnlNOcmoLRc0BKNPlAVMV1VYR06skk8D2xyj3axu7QYdF/5c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 00:27:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qvPOgjMVM1lATStp9KlIdHsfRNq7ToEC7.VrYAH8JywB1ose9rjX5ykk0abjxGs5zKcaSlEWUpleu42Cncd_yB0VVrMMnv4azryokC5NaFhMpYC3ZTvusxO78Mkmgckwv8zIaoqtgWiVeYkDD2zMQwMCtZ4UGoeyg0XtGnJ1 In-Reply-To: <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jekillen Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:27:52 -0800 To: Jeffrey Goldberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:27:58 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > [mailed and posted] > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Ed Zwart wrote: > >> I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, >> but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to >> point foo.homedns.org to my IP. If you will allow me to break in on this exchange; Does this advise apply if you have static ip service and are running web servers from these addresses, with the ISP's blessing? (meaning you also have at least two name servers running for the registered sites) This is important info for me, as I have that and am considering doing just that, run my own mail servers. I expect to have 5 machines doing various jobs, DNS web server(four registered web sites), mail server. I already have three of the four sites up and available from static ip addresses over ADSL. Thanks so much Jeff K. > > I am going to add my voice to those suggesting that you use your ISP's > mail server for outgoing mail. > > There are a number of reasons. First of all, if you are on a dynamic > IP, it is very likely that your ISP blocks outgoing STMP traffic that > doesn't go via their own mail server. That is, they won't allow > "direct to MX" mailing from dynamic addresses. > > Another reason is that it just isn't a good idea to run your own > direct to MX mail system, unless you have some real expertise in how > mail transport works. Professionally, I set up mail servers for small > and medium sized businesses, and in more and more cases, I actually > suggest that they use outside mail servers for their out going mail. > (Generally, I think that ISPs tend to do really poor jobs with email > and that it is best to avoid being locked into your ISP for much, so I > recommend services like fastmail.fm.) > > Let me also add, that while I do set up and manage mail servers for > others, I don't do direct to MX from home myself. (Well, I do for a > mailing list server I run, but not for my normal everyday mailing.) > So even with the expertise needed, I don't really recommend running > your own MX (incoming) or own Direct to MX (outgoing) servers unless > you have a specific need to fill. > > Anyway > > With postfix you just need to specify > > relayhost=YOUR-ISPS-OUTGOING-SMTP-SERVER-HERE > > in > > /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf > > and then run > > # postfix reload > > Then just send a test, eg > > $ mail -s test your@external-email-addres < /dev/null > > to see what happens. > > If your ISP wants authentication for handling your outgoing mail, look > at > > http://macosx.com/tech-support/smtp-relay-host-authentication/938.html > > which describes how to configure postfix for that on Mac OS X. For > FreeBSD just replace > > /private/etc/postfix/ > > in all of the paths mentioned with > > /usr/local/etc/postfix/ > > > -j > -- > Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 00:54:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6044416A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulh@bdug.org.au) Received: from mail.bdug.org.au (mail.bdug.org.au [202.72.170.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8397713C459 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulh@bdug.org.au) Received: from w2k2 (w2k2.bdug.org.au [192.168.0.102]) by mail.bdug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CED9B83E; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:24:34 +0900 (WST) From: "Paul Hamilton" To: =?iso-8859-2?Q?'Nejc_=A9koberne'?= , "'User Questions'" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:25:22 +0900 Message-ID: <074301c7643c$ec68e060$6600a8c0@w2k2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Thread-Index: AcdihwntsQUJw6aVTGG0+Rs5oIaDAABtIkcw In-Reply-To: <45F1BF10.7040109@skoberne.net> Importance: Normal X-bdug-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-bdug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-bdug-MailScanner-From: paulh@bdug.org.au X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD on IDE Flash disk drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:54:17 -0000 Hi, I have played around with using an EPIA 600-PD (Fanless Dual NICS), with 256MB RAM. Works well, however, a buildworld takes around 4 hours ;-) I am booting from a 512MB CF card, and run /var and /tmp from a RAM drive. Upon startup, the CF card /var and /tmp dir. are copied into the ram drives, the rest is Read Only. When it shuts down (not very often), the ram drive contents are copied back to the CF card. You could backup the ram drive to CF more frequently if required. I run off of 12V battery, so power failures don't affect me all that much. You could monitor the Battery/UPS for power failure conditions if needed etc. Running FreeBSD 6.0. Cheers, Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Nejc =A9koberne > Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 5:10 AM > To: User Questions > Subject: FreeBSD on IDE Flash disk drive >=20 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I plan to install a FreeBSD 6.2 router/gateway/DHCP server on=20 > a EPIA box with 1GB Transcend IDE Flash drive. Since=20 > Transcend says that this device is capable of "10,000=20 > insertion/removal cycles" I assume that I must minimize the=20 > number of writes to the drive. It is okay with me if I have=20 > to configure syslog to log to another machine. >=20 > Any suggestions/instructions how to achieve this? Any=20 > experienced users regarding this matter? >=20 > Thanks for ideas and help. > Nejc > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 00:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24B716A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=bcxfYO=IQ=vvelox.net=v.velox@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AADB13C44C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=bcxfYO=IQ=vvelox.net=v.velox@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailscan34.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.34] helo=mailscan34.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1HQYdd-0008M5-GO for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:43:45 -0400 Received: from authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.11] ident=exim) by mailscan34.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1HQYdc-0004SG-9v for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:43:44 -0400 Received: from authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.11] helo=authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan34.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1HQYdZ-0004RO-L6; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:43:41 -0400 Received: from cpe-71-72-98-197.columbus.res.rr.com ([71.72.98.197] helo=vixen42) by authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1HQYdX-0007Fm-8d; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:26 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20070311194326.4da9e341@vixen42> In-Reply-To: <20070310223906.E8914@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703100845u62eab431y3a16ae0d8cb3bba7@mail.gmail.com> <55D533EB-26F9-40B7-838B-8BCB9D0A9463@tca-cable-connector.com> <20070310223906.E8914@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 0d1ca1697cdb7a831d4877828571b7ab:1570f0de6936c69fef9e164fffc541bc X-EN-AuthUser: vvelox2 Sender: Vulpes Velox X-EN-OrigIP: 71.72.98.197 X-EN-OrigHost: cpe-71-72-98-197.columbus.res.rr.com Cc: David Schulz , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:59:10 -0000 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:40:47 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I have heard it does not scale well above 4 > > to be clear. > > kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor, > everything else on any CPU. > > so as long as disk I/O network and other kernel tasks are able to > fit on one processor that's OK. > > for machines doing mostly pure computing 8-16 CPU may work fine, > for machines doing mostly fileserving and routing even 2 CPUs may > be not well utilized That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg, look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined to one processor. There has been a massive push since 5 to get ride of those. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 01:22:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5B416A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:22:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: from web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AD4413C480 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:22:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94541 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2007 01:22:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rzIt6TigrmWBRRvEsz0cFbQxj+jwha8VcHWtEVCWzDv3zxddYwghT91ed1hM/ZAsAPZcW2fY0MX7C7kYxXaLaZR5/f2lp8K4gbmW51zo+Me+wyZH6wQ7n9pnbuZTdRXcn1vx6trkwYVPpeiNJsm/3A1VdxcbpYBAFVr29wBlgRs=; X-YMail-OSG: Iwt7GRgVM1k80mmcPHuRfpUof8WX81vC45bACove.pLNbse2_Gq7kXgV9_PryHHznQehEE9nW6tIOx71aIH8l8wtP9wZ6_mP0RUHYHFlAGQBTmPRw0dxdg-- Received: from [68.164.15.239] by web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:22:38 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Paulette McGee To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20070311233302.O64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <522280.93942.qm@web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Andy Kendall Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:22:39 -0000 --- Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > > Hello Wojciech, > > Yes, the handbook is quite detailed; however there > are > > somethings missing. Not to start a flame war; > these > > are just a few thoughts and they are in my humble > > opinion. > > > > why you don't write such part and fixes? > > i am sure it will be included in new releases if you > only post them > Actually that was written and submitted to the doc project under an email address. Never heard a word back. Here is a link to an archived email that points to the email as well as the respective changes. Email was submitted for review on: Tue Aug 15 00:31:14 UTC 2006 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2006-August/010934.html Regards Paulette McGee ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 01:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6335916A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786113C458 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107D81F7537; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:53:54 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: r6Epgs1cSX/6BzQbcwh1iYLDjgg4eEPcU8Yt2aTtWyaD 1173664433 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A288719DC9; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:53:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:53:28 -0500 To: jekillen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:53:54 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:27 PM, jekillen wrote: > If you will allow me to break in on this exchange; > Does this advise [don't run your own direct to MX mail server] > apply if you have static ip service and are running web servers > from these addresses, with the ISP's blessing? (meaning you also > have at least two name servers running for the registered sites) First let's separate questions. One is dealing with your own incoming mail. The other is with sending mail out direct to MX. These two can (and often should) be separated. For the question of hosting your own MX there are positives and negatives. Here is a list off of the top of my head. It is far from complete. Positive: (1) You get to fully control your rejection/acceptance policy from the beginning. (2) You get the learn about running such a system. (3) You dramatically reduce your lock-in with an ISP (who can change their email policy or practice at any time. (4) You don't have to pay for some outside service (I use fastmail.fm) for hosting your incoming mail if you want something better than the "free" email service your ISP provides. Negatives: (a) You have to maintain what is really a surprisingly complex system for such a simple protocol. (b) You have to defend your system against attacks it otherwise wouldn't receive, including DoS attacks. (c) Damage of being overwhelmed (either by deliberate attack or spam blowback) may be harder to contain. (d) Your system needs to fail appropriately. For example, if you use something like LDAP to maintain username or email address information, you need to make sure that if your LDAP service fails your mail server fails in an appropriate way (say a complete shutdown) or issuing temporary (4xx) rejections instead of in an inappropriately issuing 5xx for mail that would be accepted normally. If (1) (or (2)) is really important to you, then go ahead. But probably the best way to see whether (1) really matters is to ask yourself what things you would like to do that you couldn't do unless you ran your own MX. For example, if you have strong feelings about whether DNSbls should be used prior to content filtering or as part of it. Or whether you want spam and virus rejections to occur at SMTP time or later. Whether you want SPF failures to generate immediate rejections. Whether you want to make use of sophisticated IMAP features that ISPs can't provide. If you don't have strong feelings about these sorts of questions, then I doubt that (1) applies to you. Now there is the second question about doing direct to MX for mail sending instead of going through your ISP or some third party service. Positives (i) You control queing and retry rates. (ii) For bulk mailing (mailing lists) there is an advantage of how out-going STMP session are organized. (iii) You are not as dependent on your ISP or a third party for getting your mail out, if they are slow or unreliable with mail (iv) If your ISP's mail server provide crappy bounce information and you need better information. (v) If your ISP adds junk to your mail or sends out mail in unfriendly so as to get itself on blacklists or leads to other forms of needless rejections. (vi) You get to learn about running such systems Negatives: (A) Even with a static IP address, your assigned address may look dynamic to other servers who may then reject mail coming directly from you. (B) Your ISP blocks/disallows this sort of thing (not a problem in your case) (C) The reverse DNS records for your IP need to correspond reasonably well to your domain name, otherwise lots of servers will reject mail from you. (D) You need to follow the RFCs and conventions strictly so that you don't get yourself added to blacklists (E) It is probably a little less network efficient for you to talk directly to servers all over the planet when you could just talk to your ISPs server which will be much closer to you. Here again, if (vi) is your primary reason for wanting to run your own direct to MX system, then use it just for one of your minor domains. That way, if you mess up, you won't get your major domains blacklisted. If (i) and (ii) really matter for you, then go ahead, but I think that you should have a real reason beyond "I can, therefore I ought" if it is going to be your primary way of getting mail out. In the end it is a matter of individual taste and need. With good DSL or FiOS lines, along with a proper backup regime and Uninterruptible Power Supply hosting your own website makes plenty of sense. But mail is a tricker thing to maintain than apache, so my view remains that unless you have some specific need for the kind of control you can get by running your own, let someone else handle your mail transport to the rest of the world. I hope this helps. And keep in mind that different people will offer different advise. I certainly believe my advise is good advise (otherwise I wouldn't have offered it), but I'm also aware that I could well be wrong. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 02:00:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA1016A406 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6281C13C468 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2C132YV038460 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:00:37 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 02:00:37 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd questions In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:00:36 -0300 Message-Id: <1173664836.3731.26.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Vt102 at home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:00:39 -0000 > > Maybe you are, but even so, do you still use V7 on a PDP/11 or 32V on a VAX, > make dumps to DECtape, or use a VT100? There's something to be said for > modern PC hardware, xterms/gnome-terminal/konsole/screen, and yes, ssh. > (Namely speed, convenience, and security, respectively). > > I went through a stage of using Linux with xman, xeyes, xterm, twm, etc., > until I realised I was much more productive using KDE help and > konsole/screen and kwin/WindowMaker. > > Jeff > > Like Mr Wojciech Puchar, I have a VT100 clone here at home... that I use for kernel debug on a 9600 com1 port... and it works soo good.. May be when you are 55 (or 64 as the beatles song)... you will use konsole and the "boys" will use some kind of "brain cortex" wired interface.... I started to take BSD serious when 2 years ago I was in a "meeting" of linux users... they all showed those wonderful interfaces, light speed programs, and a zillion things they could do with linux... I became very impressed... than I asked... who else is using all this stuff?? I mean which company, how many users?? how many systems installed and running for how long??? well... no answers... got.... Than I asked them why don't they code an commercial application with all that power??? again... none.... Than I said that I coded applications for hundred users on DEC, and VAX... They laugh on me... than I sit in my home and coded a 200K lines of an complete ERP for fuel stations... and in 3 years I am back to the hackers show... Now they have kde 3.5.5 and gnome 2.18.... and NO ONE application program... still... May be my method is not productive, "I still use GDB and CSCOPE" but for sure produces good result at last. Now I admin more than 200 BSD computers. in the old fashion way... with an mtbf of 15 years.. The next invention here is BSD for notebooks... an special "blended" BSD that will be installed in more than 5000 notebooks a year here... the project will begin to roll in some months.... Sergio. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 02:14:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10C416A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:14:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FF413C44C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:14:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQa3P-0004xJ-5W; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:14:27 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:14:26 -0600 To: Jeffrey Goldberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:14:27 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > > In this case the counter counter measures available to spammers is > so much easier and cheaper than the verification system itself, > that it's not really a good idea to try such verification. that is always true, at least with existing technology. The counter measures always cost more than the sending of the spam Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 02:15:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA03D16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bconway@clue4all.net) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A263513C45B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bconway@clue4all.net) Received: from ladyluck.clue4all.net (c-24-63-37-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.63.37.229]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with ESMTP id <20070312021556b16008jpqje>; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:15:56 +0000 Received: from ladyluck.clue4all.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ladyluck.clue4all.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 217212D4118 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:15:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:15:56 -0400 From: "Brian J. Conway" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070311221556.2d41802a.bconway@clue4all.net> In-Reply-To: <20070310105759.6980f90e.bconway@clue4all.net> References: <20070310105759.6980f90e.bconway@clue4all.net> Organization: Clue 4 All, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Periodic xl watchdog timeouts on 6.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:15:57 -0000 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:57:59 -0500 "Brian J. Conway" wrote: > > I had exactly the same problem in my acpi-blacklisted motherboard. I > > disabled acpi and the errors vanished. In my case, this error was not > > related with NICs, but exclusively with the motherboard. > > Interesting. I hadn't thought of that, but I am using ACPI now where I > was not on 4.x. I'll give that a try next time it happens. I would > have hoped the motherboard would be up to par (Intel D845GVSR with the > latest BIOS - > http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D845GVSR/index.htm), but maybe > not. Thanks. > > (Sorry for the bad threading, I'm off list and copying off the web > archive.) > > Brian J. Conway No luck, got the first timeout shortly (25 min) after boot without ACPI, again while mostly idle and I'm not able to repeat it more than once a day or so: Mar 12 01:49:19 imogen kernel: xl0: watchdog timeout Mar 12 01:49:19 imogen kernel: xl0: link state changed to DOWN Mar 12 01:49:21 imogen kernel: xl0: link state changed to UP Any other ideas? Original post, for reference: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-March/144227.html -b From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 03:17:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F9E16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-242.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFE613C44B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from rigel.dfwlp.com (rigel.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2C3Gw6e015088 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:16:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:16:57 -0500 From: Jonathan horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070311221657.531106c6.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <03aa01c7642c$11878060$34968120$@net> References: <03aa01c7642c$11878060$34968120$@net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.9 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: Problems with SSHD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:17:01 -0000 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:24:13 +0100 "Alexander Schlichting" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I > am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it > gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server > when the connection is always getting dropped. The server is running FreeBSD > angmar.domain.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 > UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 and > the SSHD installed by sysinstall OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeBSD-20061110, OpenSSL > 0.9.7e-p1 25 Oct 2004 . I tried a complete FreeBSD reinstall but it did not > help, I tried various settings like KeepAlive TCPKeepAlive but they did not > help either. I upgraded OpenSSL to 0.9.8e and I installed OpenSSH 4.6p1 but > it did not solve the problem. When I run SSH with loglevel debug I see this > in the auth.log when I am getting disconnected: Read error from remote host > 192.168.2.100: Connection reset by peer . When I use strace to monitor the > process I see this on disconnect > > > > 643 wait4(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], WNOHANG, NULL) = 4975 > > 643 wait4(-1, 0xbfbfdc9c, WNOHANG, NULL) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes) > > 643 syscall_416(0x14, 0, 0xbfbfdc20) = 0 > > 643 syscall_417(0xbfbfdcd0) = -1 (errno 4) > > 643 select(7, [3 4], NULL, NULL, NULL > > > > I tried to find information's about syscall_417 but had no luck with that. I > am stuck here and have no idea what to do. When I am connected to the server > by FTP I don't get disconnected when the connection is idle ( no nohup or so > being sent ) and when I connect by Telnet I also don't get disconnected when > the connection is idle. I am not sure if I should add the dmesg output here > for sys specs or not. I don't do it now but can give it if needed. > > > > I installed Debian on another HDD of the server today and I am not having > any problems there. No SSH disconnects all the time. Thanks for any help. > > > > -Alex > out of curiosity, what kind of nic is in the machine, and did you try swapping it with another? cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 03:36:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FC616A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A16213C465 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1733817nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iYULlKQs20K+UtrwxXSGnez3xVL65dcM8D+6Y9zk76Ou3+bH0jbOejmFW6GZSzHY0E6v1RbXZtkaCZZELKec5moXQ7YyL9vCJwRp6y8MxQE327uViLelzmrKuXO0MOaOFnk/FRR4hZw33l2Aha9Sf0Ee9BrxmwDBEkyX9XJIZT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y+SLCr9gqFNtWsLcSLzGXhWKMvln/ID0gB34OsO5l5wR0nR34eiUsJQ3htVebJYUSjNUfmfONwDq2gDARwm7J4FOBh9YafIcalqMILYMjDrP++JI/RzdlHgtHMyTSqFglnLUo4Nwd+t4+3MZK89bCNsiRNoaABbJwu1/NrNLHjE= Received: by 10.82.136.4 with SMTP id j4mr7435586bud.1173670617115; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.13 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6660f1280703112036y747c92a2w674ea46625830044@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:56 -0800 From: "Ed Zwart" To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:36:59 -0000 Thanks Bill, Josh and Jeffrey for answering my question. It was my ISP. (So easy, I wish I had thought of that. I somehow managed to figure out they were blocking 80 a month or so ago.) I'm still a little fuzzy on legal entries for hostname and domain. I set them to be mine, and it worked, and then for kicks, set it to google.com, and that worked too. I looked at the headers, and can see that the source can be traced back to my machine, but that still seems kind of easy to spoof. Anyway, it's not something I'm overly worried about; I'm just not clear on what I SHOULD be using for hostname and domain. Any words of wisdom appreciated. Otherwise, thanks again for the already super help! e. On 3/11/07, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:27 PM, jekillen wrote: > > > If you will allow me to break in on this exchange; > > Does this advise [don't run your own direct to MX mail server] > > apply if you have static ip service and are running web servers > > from these addresses, with the ISP's blessing? (meaning you also > > have at least two name servers running for the registered sites) > > First let's separate questions. One is dealing with your own > incoming mail. The other is with sending mail out direct to MX. > These two can (and often should) be separated. > > For the question of hosting your own MX there are positives and > negatives. Here is a list off of the top of my head. It is far from > complete. > > Positive: > > (1) You get to fully control your rejection/acceptance policy from the > beginning. > > (2) You get the learn about running such a system. > > (3) You dramatically reduce your lock-in with an ISP (who can > change their > email policy or practice at any time. > > (4) You don't have to pay for some outside service (I use > fastmail.fm) for > hosting your incoming mail if you want something better than > the "free" > email service your ISP provides. > > Negatives: > > (a) You have to maintain what is really a surprisingly complex system > for such a simple protocol. > > (b) You have to defend your system against attacks it otherwise > wouldn't > receive, including DoS attacks. > > (c) Damage of being overwhelmed (either by deliberate attack or > spam blowback) > may be harder to contain. > > (d) Your system needs to fail appropriately. For example, if you use > something like LDAP to maintain username or email address > information, you > need to make sure that if your LDAP service fails your mail > server fails > in an appropriate way (say a complete shutdown) or issuing > temporary (4xx) > rejections instead of in an inappropriately issuing 5xx for > mail that > would be accepted normally. > > If (1) (or (2)) is really important to you, then go ahead. But > probably the best way to see whether (1) really matters is to ask > yourself what things you would like to do that you couldn't do unless > you ran your own MX. For example, if you have strong feelings about > whether DNSbls should be used prior to content filtering or as part > of it. Or whether you want spam and virus rejections to occur at > SMTP time or later. Whether you want SPF failures to generate > immediate rejections. Whether you want to make use of sophisticated > IMAP features that ISPs can't provide. If you don't have strong > feelings about these sorts of questions, then I doubt that (1) > applies to you. > > Now there is the second question about doing direct to MX for mail > sending instead of going through your ISP or some third party service. > > Positives > > (i) You control queing and retry rates. > > (ii) For bulk mailing (mailing lists) there is an advantage of how > out-going > STMP session are organized. > > (iii) You are not as dependent on your ISP or a third party for > getting your > mail out, if they are slow or unreliable with mail > > (iv) If your ISP's mail server provide crappy bounce information > and you > need better information. > > (v) If your ISP adds junk to your mail or sends out mail in > unfriendly so as > to get itself on blacklists or leads to other forms of needless > rejections. > > (vi) You get to learn about running such systems > > Negatives: > > (A) Even with a static IP address, your assigned address may look > dynamic > to other servers who may then reject mail coming directly from > you. > > (B) Your ISP blocks/disallows this sort of thing (not a problem in > your case) > > (C) The reverse DNS records for your IP need to correspond > reasonably well > to your domain name, otherwise lots of servers will reject > mail from you. > > (D) You need to follow the RFCs and conventions strictly so that > you don't > get yourself added to blacklists > > (E) It is probably a little less network efficient for you to talk > directly > to servers all over the planet when you could just talk to > your ISPs > server which will be much closer to you. > > Here again, if (vi) is your primary reason for wanting to run your > own direct to MX system, then use it just for one of your minor > domains. That way, if you mess up, you won't get your major domains > blacklisted. If (i) and (ii) really matter for you, then go ahead, > but I think that you should have a real reason beyond "I can, > therefore I ought" if it is going to be your primary way > of getting mail out. > > In the end it is a matter of individual taste and need. With good > DSL or FiOS lines, along with a proper backup regime and > Uninterruptible Power Supply hosting your own website makes plenty of > sense. But mail is a tricker thing to maintain than apache, so my > view remains that unless you have some specific need for the kind of > control you can get by running your own, let someone else handle your > mail transport to the rest of the world. > > I hope this helps. And keep in mind that different people will offer > different advise. I certainly believe my advise is good advise > (otherwise I wouldn't have offered it), but I'm also aware that I > could well be wrong. > > Cheers, > > -j > > -- > Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 03:54:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2572216A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E159713C45A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:54:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: (qmail 19921 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2007 03:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.184.133.124) by smtpauth02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.182) with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2007 03:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:54:13 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Sean Bryant Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:54:16 -0000 On 03/11/2007 17:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> a fair bit of eyecandy. >> >> I'll second the E17! >> > > i like to get all icons, menus, frames and windows to minimum, as it > doesn't improve productivity, while taking space of the screen. > > as i found (at least with fvwm2) that minimum=ZERO i did this and use > that config for over 3 years (with netbsd before switching to freebsd) > > completely black desktop, 24 virtual "consoles" (keys Windows-F1 to F12, > CTRL-F1 to F12 and Windows-arrows), x terminal with Windows-X, other > programs with menu key and menu, all programs started full screen by > default, window frames and titles removed, > > all screen available for ACTUAL USE. > All easily attainable in E17. :) > > > sometimes when i have to use windows machine, after few minutes of use i > automatically press Windows-right arrow trying to switch console from > that game and do something useful. unfortunately it doesn't work there ;) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Regards, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 04:00:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2972A16A404 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp1.tls.net (smtp1.tls.net [65.196.224.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9F6C13C455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 21564 invoked by uid 89); 12 Mar 2007 04:01:16 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 21549, pid: 21561, t: 0.1432s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 clamav: 0.88.5/m:42/d:2702 Received: from 64-184-10-26.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) (ldg%tls.net@64.184.10.26) by auth-smtp1.tls.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 04:01:15 -0000 Message-ID: <45F4DE37.2030206@pixelhammer.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:59:35 -0400 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> <20070311214721.O52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311214721.O52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:00:23 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in >> detail, >> (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for >> a lot >> of help. > > what's missing? i think it's quite detailed I started with Linux years ago. I tried several versions and only Slackware was useable, and only because the lists were such great help. There was of course the RH books, not any better than Slackware Unleashed or the FreeBSD Handbook. In frustration I tried FreeBSD and got it up and running all by myself using the book, I was impressed. Once I found SeaFug I really got rolling. Overall I think the FreeBSD Handbook is one of the best. It doesn't have as much detail as it could, but it takes time and people to create such things. If FreeBSD is lacking in documentation it is not the book, it is because Linux has the enormous "How To" library available to new users. Funny thing though, I used most of the Linux How To docs when first learning FreeBSD. As far as applications and services go like Samba, NIS, NFS, etc. Most of the Linux How To docs work with FreeBSD. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 04:16:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9636D16A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCA813C448 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCBF1F7127 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:16:21 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 9uOuCuwhIxJmqmuDT7Wp6CdrbNEUa2J0syFaGPp8Mp3L 1173672981 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEA91CCFF for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: questions@freebsd.org From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:16:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: Subject: gcc internal error on buildkernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:16:21 -0000 Hello, After changing my make.conf to list my CPUTYPE as c3 on my VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU) system. I did a cvsup for /usr/src tag=RELENG_6_2 and successfully did a make buildworld and make installworld I then thought that with my newly compiled tools tuned for the processor in my box, I should rebuild my kernel. I made no changes to my kernel configuration file since my previous successful build a week and a half ago. However, now when I recompile the kernel, I get an internal compiler error from gcc. I rebooted the system and tried to build the kernel again, but got the same error. The last bit of the make output is -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2.3: build tools -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DOBBY; MAKESRCPATH=/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/ aicasm make -DNO_CPU_CFLAGS -f /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aicasm/Makefile Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/obj/usr/src/ sys/DOBBY cc -O -pipe -nostdinc -I/usr/include -I. -I/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/ aicasm -c /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm.c /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm.c: In function `main': /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm.c:308: internal compiler error: Illegal instruction: 4 Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if appropriate. See for instructions. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DOBBY. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. The full script of the make is at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/kernelbuild.log the output of dmesg is at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/dmesg A copy of my make.conf is at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/make.conf And a copy of my kernel configuration file is at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/DOBBY Any clues or suggestions would be most welcome. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 04:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF86E16A405 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B2F13C455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEDD1F7910; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:36:55 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: G8b11vEkgkWTLVxloKlHO5Lgv+kY8n/klIbODigx/C95 1173674215 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FD732447; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:36:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703112036y747c92a2w674ea46625830044@mail.gmail.com> References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> <6660f1280703112036y747c92a2w674ea46625830044@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8685CC04-17C7-4A25-AD0A-565311EE3001@goldmark.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:36:52 -0500 To: Ed Zwart X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:36:55 -0000 [mailed and posted] On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Ed Zwart wrote: > I'm still a little fuzzy on legal entries for hostname and domain. I > set them to be mine, and it worked, and then for kicks, set it to > google.com, and that worked too. I looked at the headers, and can see > that the source can be traced back to my machine, but that still seems > kind of easy to spoof. It is extremely easy to spoof, but google has taken steps to make it easy for mail servers to detect if mail is spoofed. So if you send mail from "google.com" without it coming from your network, than any server making use of SPF (Sender Policy Framewokr) would immediately identify it as a spoof, and will be blocked. To learn more about this system, see http://www.openspf.org/ > Anyway, it's not something I'm overly worried > about; I'm just not clear on what I SHOULD be using for hostname and > domain. Well, what is a hostname for the machine that is sending the mail. Since you are now going through your ISPs mailserver, it doesn't need to be a hostname that can be looked up. So something like mailout.my.dom.ain should do fine. Use your real domain for the my.dom.ain part. The more correct information you provide, the less mail from your system will look like spam. But even "localhost.local" would be OK (though a useful domain name would be better). Using "google.com" would make it look like you are up to no good. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 04:47:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A959316A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDE613C459 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1747708nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:47:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s8YbFoX9fjrCpM7fCqyZ0AyWTSUjNny28tbQXUMPXRW8r7TzsjDBi3t+9NRRls8mhd0x6mmTe8jNzZfB76N1q2eokwvOiq1redzOmoHrVXrYN4Gb536cASVZuGce2bPwCkIYmrNmUX8oc38v/7dXqpnToXzIBjhUQotONeLlHv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f7Zz6SgnBxrSGximf4GV6REgn9BbaiDcQIA7JFNvXX5bB17mzIkykn8H5u9ot4puADSaBhGoayDg2adpMv0qdXggv0pTWDMLB3e+JmgkKqKnDzl27PGdrBUwxVe8gu/JT6jG37ze3Z/pKox9p2hovy5W2HPwh60C865zjXLRZ1g= Received: by 10.82.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr7480188buc.1173674843616; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.13 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6660f1280703112147p17ec0c6dq73f5167f58c96676@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:47:23 -0800 From: "Ed Zwart" To: "Jeffrey Goldberg" In-Reply-To: <8685CC04-17C7-4A25-AD0A-565311EE3001@goldmark.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> <6660f1280703112036y747c92a2w674ea46625830044@mail.gmail.com> <8685CC04-17C7-4A25-AD0A-565311EE3001@goldmark.org> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:47:25 -0000 Jeffrey, what you've suggested is what I've done. Thanks for the explanation! e. On 3/11/07, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > [mailed and posted] > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Ed Zwart wrote: > > > I'm still a little fuzzy on legal entries for hostname and domain. I > > set them to be mine, and it worked, and then for kicks, set it to > > google.com, and that worked too. I looked at the headers, and can see > > that the source can be traced back to my machine, but that still seems > > kind of easy to spoof. > > It is extremely easy to spoof, but google has taken steps to make it > easy for mail servers to detect if mail is spoofed. So if you send > mail from "google.com" without it coming from your network, than any > server making use of SPF (Sender Policy Framewokr) would immediately > identify it as a spoof, and will be blocked. > > To learn more about this system, see > > http://www.openspf.org/ > > > > Anyway, it's not something I'm overly worried > > about; I'm just not clear on what I SHOULD be using for hostname and > > domain. > > Well, what is a hostname for the machine that is sending the mail. > Since you are now going through your ISPs mailserver, it doesn't need > to be a hostname that can be looked up. So something like > > mailout.my.dom.ain > > should do fine. Use your real domain for the my.dom.ain part. The > more correct information you provide, the less mail from your system > will look like spam. But even "localhost.local" would be OK (though a > useful domain name would be better). Using "google.com" would make it > look like you are up to no good. > > -j > > > > > -- > Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 04:55:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8D16A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA32013C468 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1895301muf for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ib0slN/cgAIg2+AdnaZ0KGEPsDjE20QzQO+jr0MGs0jKkv4yHlfZ/tKFWNdofGJC9tR1N5TgCyicBGo8d1KU1fT2YeUvizXx/sIy1g68F0p7O/b4XP2CRBhMXCBvERrEuRpidafKDJf7EfowX2oxBcPBYLIPCcXu1qDio+dvkc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n2fOz9RIQcTBNWWe9X8Uz0LdbPZ6R413N6mer8PZsmID1rCRSdSoN6yRmsTMojN3FBBdDSGhqH5uBnQ0q3cDKj4aIkvPKM4x8s2COaSs242CD7ooxNX7VVPk1kO9mpT9e+ZRljOo5t6zxmEnZcsdPzkKGiCABh82/M0toUMXM5Y= Received: by 10.82.138.6 with SMTP id l6mr7474676bud.1173675322665; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.176.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:55:22 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Susanth K" In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:55:25 -0000 On 10/03/07, Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD > > Which project has good Support and Active Development ? > > Please help me to choose None of them are missing any vital feature to do as you wish. As this is on the FreeBSD list, and most of us being most familiar with FreeBSD, I am certain the conclusions flow rather easily from there. The same would apply should you ask on an OpenBSD list or a Debian list. As there are no particularly horrible underlying flaws in any of the above operating systems, the easiest solution may be to merely shrug the shoulders and blindly pick one. If someone you know already uses one of these systems, that may be the path of least resistance. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 05:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3217216A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD27813C458 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1754009nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NflDfqsr6ZQ7VreKgAJQmNN4f5FB1M3qKRZXXojkS321ABybPaEeag0rc0Bya+RupZh9aA6wHVYj5hsW3zFjBYjWZIJJzF2DrzwNNl75Nirv/9sRFvwqE4Ovwclyg0BMaHNdLVgRg7Yb9w/foTBpnpWXBYp5NoengYNxVa3f/48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnxwS5shn7RgY6tRmKMRyO41AuYygxaHQ1DLQrCeoPh6aNafPiAT7tYoXH1cFgHEZNPsRyDb4+AL8mCoZXQeZDiSQOepElUUng3fpgQYd0CaTBj39XyLdR3zHmRV+nHfloF25T8U2s7Nh1Q2EOFouPr84TV6iF6U8n9CVbwB0Gg= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr7471494buc.1173676582291; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.176.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:16:22 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Brian J. Conway" In-Reply-To: <20070311221556.2d41802a.bconway@clue4all.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070310105759.6980f90e.bconway@clue4all.net> <20070311221556.2d41802a.bconway@clue4all.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic xl watchdog timeouts on 6.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:16:24 -0000 On 11/03/07, Brian J. Conway wrote: > On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:57:59 -0500 > "Brian J. Conway" wrote: > > > > I had exactly the same problem in my acpi-blacklisted motherboard. I > > > disabled acpi and the errors vanished. In my case, this error was not > > > related with NICs, but exclusively with the motherboard. > > > > Interesting. I hadn't thought of that, but I am using ACPI now where I > > was not on 4.x. I'll give that a try next time it happens. I would > > have hoped the motherboard would be up to par (Intel D845GVSR with the > > latest BIOS - > > http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D845GVSR/index.htm), but maybe > > not. Thanks. > > > > (Sorry for the bad threading, I'm off list and copying off the web > > archive.) > > > > Brian J. Conway > > No luck, got the first timeout shortly (25 min) after boot without ACPI, > again while mostly idle and I'm not able to repeat it more than once a day > or so: > > Mar 12 01:49:19 imogen kernel: xl0: watchdog timeout > Mar 12 01:49:19 imogen kernel: xl0: link state changed to DOWN > Mar 12 01:49:21 imogen kernel: xl0: link state changed to UP > > Any other ideas? Original post, for reference: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-March/144227.html My first suspicion was that your NIC is dying. I had those basic symptoms some years ago and within a few days was suffering unintended reboots from kernel panics. Replacing the NIC solved it. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 05:20:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFAB16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B894213C468 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1754824nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:20:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ix1qLsNbrZCaG9CWB2UrHIWXtmzUHDHqyiJd5X9KKrOxAQW3GE+zibyfhtSV7cqvu7040hvIDFlLUP/w6wGAF1RCTpTkLOBcXqnIPkFiQY6WeShYT0xrlNYjrZrShrcBZBrkEVi0Sgu7iaBWqMjkNGdwKPe18AYaszX7DD9BeNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Lo0+WpXa3S/u38vHhCcahYJ+SjIaOr9uTA0a4GCC5S05vt9FesjdnglwDSoWs6TLbB5b7LiKFsEuJ/IKaIdvFlk/2MyPh/k/wymm3QAQ4NygXKt5HuH0LeNS7NN4AQO7rRRfPGjrMMTftwDZIcueXf1s10ThnLlqjm78zWAshlI= Received: by 10.115.74.1 with SMTP id b1mr1105831wal.1173676805788; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.148.18 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <499c70c0703112220y6f6dba6fhb3784a54682dacc9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:20:05 +0300 From: "Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri" To: "Joe Auty" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: FreeBSD Questions , ale@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PHP 5.2.1 and the hard time with vbulletin 3.6.4 (solved) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:20:08 -0000 On 2/27/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: > On 2/26/07, Joe Auty wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Have you recompiled all PHP extensions too? > > > > I believe the php5-pcre extension might handle perl regular > > expressions (preg_replace) in PHP. > > > > Yes I did portupgrade -f "php*" > > There is a thread about it in vbulletin > > http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1312516#post1312516 > > -- > Regards, > > -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri > Arab Portal > http://www.WeArab.Net/ > This how I got it fixed. portupgrade -frR pcre-utf8-7.0 portupgrade -frR php5-pcre-5.2.1_3 Could someone tell me please why did I need to do this to get it fixed? -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 05:22:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CBF16A47B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bconway@clue4all.net) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF9513C455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bconway@clue4all.net) Received: from ladyluck.clue4all.net (c-24-63-37-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.63.37.229]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2007031205221701400rs115e>; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:22:17 +0000 Received: from ladyluck.clue4all.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ladyluck.clue4all.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A50FA2D4118; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:22:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:22:17 -0400 From: "Brian J. Conway" To: "illoai@gmail.com" Message-Id: <20070312012217.0c325b4b.bconway@clue4all.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20070310105759.6980f90e.bconway@clue4all.net> <20070311221556.2d41802a.bconway@clue4all.net> Organization: Clue 4 All, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic xl watchdog timeouts on 6.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:22:22 -0000 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:16:22 -0600 "illoai@gmail.com" wrote: > > No luck, got the first timeout shortly (25 min) after boot without > > ACPI, again while mostly idle and I'm not able to repeat it more than > > once a day or so: > > > > Mar 12 01:49:19 imogen kernel: xl0: watchdog timeout > > Mar 12 01:49:19 imogen kernel: xl0: link state changed to DOWN > > Mar 12 01:49:21 imogen kernel: xl0: link state changed to UP > > > > Any other ideas? Original post, for reference: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-March/144227.html > > My first suspicion was that your NIC is dying. > I had those basic symptoms some years ago > and within a few days was suffering unintended > reboots from kernel panics. Replacing the NIC > solved it. It's possible, but I've tried 3 different 3c905C's between the two (top-most) slots I'm using for them, and they all have the same symptom, though never both at the same time. They also worked flawlessly before this latest install (though admittedly, the old install was 4.x, as mentioned). I suppose swapping in other card models and perhaps enabling the onboard EEPro 100 is next. Thanks. Brian J. Conway From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 05:28:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4205116A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@stilltech.net) Received: from mail.geekdelivery.com (s205-206-56-226.ab.hsia.telus.net [205.206.56.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B7013C46A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:28:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@stilltech.net) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([70.65.134.12]) by media32.ca (mail.geekdelivery.com) (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id md50000026727.msg for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:27:10 -0700 From: Ray To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:27:45 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703112327.46159.ray@stilltech.net> X-MDRemoteIP: 70.65.134.12 X-Return-Path: ray@stilltech.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) X-Spam-Report: * -4.7 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: mail.geekdelivery.com, Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:27:11 -0700 X-MDAV-Processed: mail.geekdelivery.com, Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:27:12 -0700 Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ray@stilltech.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:28:15 -0000 On Sunday 11 March 2007 10:55 pm, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 10/03/07, Susanth K wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server > > ( No GUI required ) > > > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > > PostgreSQL > > > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > > > A) Debian Linux > > B) OpenBSD > > C) FreeBSD > > > > Which project has good Support and Active Development ? > > > > Please help me to choose > > None of them are missing any vital feature to > do as you wish. > > As this is on the FreeBSD list, and most of us > being most familiar with FreeBSD, I am certain > the conclusions flow rather easily from there. > > The same would apply should you ask on an > OpenBSD list or a Debian list. > > As there are no particularly horrible underlying > flaws in any of the above operating systems, > the easiest solution may be to merely shrug > the shoulders and blindly pick one. If someone > you know already uses one of these systems, > that may be the path of least resistance. As a slightly experienced user, I've been watching this thread with interest. I must say that the answers, in light of the obvious bias, reflect well on the list members! Regards, Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 05:43:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AC616A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8A513C469 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1759521nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z8i9HmKCUBZdDQ6OPSFm5C85lhynIPz7szTcfnjgm07l3bjIo+ibnM9+OK3IuRbsbnAoEbilt5lBXWyelhlK16Za/Xl52sjwC+xDMzgD9T3dg1Agmi/AqkuG7R5vRlf3ifGUEOS589BL8d4eb9BDzXXLf1eSr+Y9vzSzB0DRP/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lCxJmbSSg4jSL0rIqdZqQ8UJh7oxxyxqRrSIX1rOeGVpVvfa7Lhnm2Dm/Pj+Wm7vZVlfeiI90qOWy7fVn3NrIhg3hvsr4dLAdGK1N2STrZTQO8XVI5DPbXEg3x0jJ63r1zKDiYV0IS4hnA1dGdLDEFXPE80OnJn2XfyvuEQMZ9Y= Received: by 10.82.116.15 with SMTP id o15mr7474499buc.1173678234338; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.176.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:43:54 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Jonathan Horne" In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:43:55 -0000 On 11/03/07, Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of: evilwm & exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle & exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 & exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0 -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 06:02:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F9016A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD39B13C45E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1909666muf for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:02:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=acIhRRdFaJgfkoBvbKPntJvLm6B/zBl0P9d6czxNK+utqdaQBxFFSH7PLu4cvaGC4gf50OHUbOChJBr6J8WZjv33u4hl+ovjKy8p02PASDtkfyBxDCJhvqqUMlO8a1JkyU6ZpB7UncPtzOYLmz8zphjjU8GRo3XRq/Kw1ZYM05Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L8BAgAb3Gkwl9fet0/7m+/Se/l4+u+H7GDkKshr58wrZ7UEBvmnuQhTLmOetQzIcWZj32NlOf2VqeWgenSLFqUP0VMJk1nGfdluaHYBHqvuEWyFPmTEZ6DL0ILWIk8AfoItcdPjpuCtPYIVvaWlEey5W2hB++SPu+/r0y6wLYfY= Received: by 10.82.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr7494941buc.1173679339408; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.176.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:02:19 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <765930.99936.qm@web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070311214721.O52046@chylonia.3miasto.net> <765930.99936.qm@web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: Paulette McGee , Wojciech Puchar , Andy Kendall Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:02:21 -0000 On 11/03/07, Paulette McGee wrote: > > --- Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the > > manual/handbook is not great in detail, > > > (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this > > questions list for a lot > > > of help. > > > > what's missing? i think it's quite detailed . . . > Yes, the handbook is quite detailed; however there are > somethings missing. Not to start a flame war; these > are just a few thoughts and they are in my humble > opinion. . . . > 1) Update ports > 1a) CVS > 2b) portsnap > 2) Build INDEX (depends on the tool; identify tools). > Also what are the pro's and con's of obtaining the > index from the methods listed below. > 2a) "make index" > 2b) "make fetchindex" > 2c) portsdb -Uu > 3) Use Tool 'X' to update / upgrade your ports . . . > Now, one other issue; off the top of my head: > pkgtools.conf. How does pkgtools.conf interact with > the makefile in their respective ports directory? > 1) Does it completely override it? > 2) Does if it take a diff between the two and build > the app? portsdb is part of portupgrade, not at all part of the base system. Similarly, pkgtools.conf, being located in /usr/local/etc/ is used by portupgrade (and another ports management tool?) which is not at all part of the base system. portupgrade has quite a bit of documentation on its use, but I am not certain how this third party ruby script dovetails with a discussion of the (de)merits of FreeBSD's handbook. Obviously with enough time and effort a complete set of documents for 6.2 could be compiled and vetted for accuracy, although just like the current handbook and other documentation, it would fall out of date exactly as fast as new code would be added. Keeping up to date with third party applications (ruby scripts!) would exacerbate rather than ameliorate this effect. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 07:19:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782C16A405 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from gothmog.akp-net.com (gothmog.akp-net.com [194.126.172.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC5E13C44B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from p579a8fc5.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.154.143.197] helo=ANGBAND) by gothmog.akp-net.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQeoK-00022D-BO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:19:12 +0100 From: "Alexander Schlichting" To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:18:25 +0100 Message-ID: <042d01c76476$b226bc30$16743490$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcdkdqAKWlHw1W0oTA+b71I/wWbKuQ== Content-Language: de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Recover Make ARG's from a ports Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:19:14 -0000 On a server I have a package installed using ports and now I have to install the package with exactly the same make arguments on another server. I just don't find a way to see what arguments where used to install it the first time. With Linux I would look into config.status is there something similar with FreeBSD? Sorry for having to ask but I am using FreeBSD for the first days now after 5 years using Linux only :) -Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 07:29:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ADF16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nejc@skoberne.net) Received: from illusion.skoberne.net (illusion.skoberne.net [84.255.205.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047C613C43E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nejc@skoberne.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by illusion.skoberne.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6751B81C; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:29:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from illusion.skoberne.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (illusion.skoberne.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30884-03; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:29:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.12.4] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) by illusion.skoberne.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348D0B819; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:29:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F5014E.8080908@skoberne.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:29:18 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nejc_=A9koberne?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hamilton References: <074301c7643c$ec68e060$6600a8c0@w2k2> In-Reply-To: <074301c7643c$ec68e060$6600a8c0@w2k2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD on IDE Flash disk drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:29:42 -0000 Hi Paul, > I am booting from a 512MB CF card, and run /var and /tmp from a RAM drive. > Upon startup, the CF card /var and /tmp dir. are copied into the ram drives, > the rest is Read Only. When it shuts down (not very often), the ram drive > contents are copied back to the CF card. You could backup the ram drive to > CF more frequently if required. I run off of 12V battery, so power failures > don't affect me all that much. You could monitor the Battery/UPS for power > failure conditions if needed etc. Running FreeBSD 6.0. Cool! Is there a "proper" way of copying from/to /var and /tmp at boot and at shutdown or did you make the scripts on your own? So far, my boxie has be running flawlessly, I have also hard-rebooted it during a file copy and everything was OK with the filesystem. However, I put in two flash drives and made a gmirror out of them for redundancy. Today I am putting it to a remote location and I hope everything will run there too. Thanks to all, Nejc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 07:47:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DF816A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBB213C46A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2C7lMhi027892; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:47:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2C7lLYD027885; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:47:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:47:21 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Sergio Lenzi In-Reply-To: <1173664836.3731.26.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> <1173664836.3731.26.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: Vt102 at home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:47:25 -0000 > > Like Mr Wojciech Puchar, I have a VT100 clone here at home... that I > use for kernel > debug on a 9600 com1 port... and it works soo good.. > > May be when you are 55 (or 64 as the beatles song)... you will use > konsole and the "boys" will use > some kind of "brain cortex" wired interface.... and some will still use minimal interfaces because it's more functional. and i think my wyse will still work, because such old things works very long and doesn't fail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 08:01:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC5316A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078C913C455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2C819lk029436; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:01:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2C817rE029431; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:01:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:01:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Eric Schuele In-Reply-To: <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> Message-ID: <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Sean Bryant Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:33 -0000 >> default, window frames and titles removed, >> >> all screen available for ACTUAL USE. >> > > All easily attainable in E17. :) put a config for E17 for those interested. my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may write it yourself or use my "menugen" program. set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen WindowFont -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 MenuStyle white black white -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm OpaqueMoveSize 100 EdgeScroll 5 5 EdgeResistance 10000 10000 DeskTopSize 2x2 #ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/: Style "*" NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0 Style "Fvwm*" Sticky, WindowListSkip Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl DestroyMenu "StartMenu" AddToMenu "StartMenu" + "FreeBSD Apps" Popup FreeBSD + "Quit fvwm2" Quit + "Restart Fvwm2" Restart #AddToFunc "Move-or-Raise" "M" Move #+ "M" Raise #+ "C" Raise #+ "D" Maximize 100 100 Mouse 1 I A Iconify False Mouse 1 W C Maximize 100 100 Mouse 2 W C RaiseLower Mouse 3 WI C Close Mouse 1 W 4 Move Mouse 2 WI 4 Iconify Mouse 3 W 4 Resize Key Right A 4 Desk 1 Key Left A 4 Desk -1 Key F1 A 4 Desk 0 0 Key F2 A 4 Desk 0 1 Key F3 A 4 Desk 0 2 Key F4 A 4 Desk 0 3 Key F5 A 4 Desk 0 4 Key F6 A 4 Desk 0 5 Key F7 A 4 Desk 0 6 Key F8 A 4 Desk 0 7 Key F9 A 4 Desk 0 8 Key F10 A 4 Desk 0 9 Key F11 A 4 Desk 0 10 Key F12 A 4 Desk 0 11 Key F1 A C Desk 0 21 Key F2 A C Desk 0 22 Key F3 A C Desk 0 23 Key F4 A C Desk 0 24 Key F5 A C Desk 0 25 Key F6 A C Desk 0 26 Key F7 A C Desk 0 27 Key F8 A C Desk 0 28 Key F9 A C Desk 0 29 Key F10 A C Desk 0 30 Key F11 A C Desk 0 31 Key F12 A C Desk 0 32 Key M A 4 Menu "StartMenu" Key Menu A A Menu "StartMenu" Key X A 4 Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls Key W A 4 WindowList From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 08:01:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FA216A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BE513C45B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2C81vut029538; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:01:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2C81uoY029535; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:01:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:01:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Jeffrey Goldberg In-Reply-To: <8685CC04-17C7-4A25-AD0A-565311EE3001@goldmark.org> Message-ID: <20070312090120.G26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> <56A5B5E4-5644-4C50-9346-5EC9A372C3DB@goldmark.org> <6660f1280703112036y747c92a2w674ea46625830044@mail.gmail.com> <8685CC04-17C7-4A25-AD0A-565311EE3001@goldmark.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Ed Zwart , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:59 -0000 > of SPF (Sender Policy Framewokr) would immediately identify it as a spoof, > and will be blocked. > > To learn more about this system, see > > http://www.openspf.org/ if the same machine is for sending and receiving mail simply putting IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all" is OK and enough From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 08:03:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89A816A410 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5705913C483 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2C839Xs029707; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:03:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2C839Pj029704; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:03:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:03:09 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: "illoai@gmail.com" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070312090238.E26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:03:15 -0000 >> web >> browser works best with your recommendation? > > evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of: > > evilwm & > exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle & > exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 & > exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0 the best watch using least space on screen is the one hanging on the wall :) > > -- > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 08:28:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0581216A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2290B13C43E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-58-223.51-151.net24.it [151.51.223.58]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.14.0/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BJI6SW043058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:18:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.0/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BJA8ZR073042 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Message-ID: <45F453E3.3070809@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:09:23 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 212.31.247.179 Subject: Box reboots when X.org goes fullscreen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:28:18 -0000 Hello. I'm running FreeBSD 6.2/i386 with X.org 6.9.0 on a box with an MGA G450 card. As soon as I launch any app that tries to go fullscreen (e.g. dosbox), this box will reboot without displaying any message or leaving a crash dump. Any hint on how to start diagnosing this? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 08:39:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF3E16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hxc@planet.nl) Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl (psmtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.247.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B888413C45A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hxc@planet.nl) Received: from [192.168.0.141] ([80.60.30.253]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JES002WG595EL@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:39:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:39:04 +0100 From: hxc@planet.nl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <45F50398.3040703@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070303) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: No matter what I try I can't get Nvidia 3d acceleration to work. Please help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:39:08 -0000 I am trying for several days now to get 3d acceleration working on FreebSD for my XFX 7800 GS. But nothing what I've tried worked :-( . Below is a collection of useful information I've gathered thus far. Who can help me? * # sysctl hw.nvidia.agp.status* hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled hw.nvidia.agp.status.driver: n/a (unused) hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate: n/a (disabled) hw.nvidia.agp.status.fw: n/a (disabled) hw.nvidia.agp.status.sba: n/a (disabled) *# glxinfo | fgrep direct* Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Error: unable to open display (null) *# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep nvidia* (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" *# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep NVIDIA* (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 1.0-9746 Tue Dec 19 13:23:45 PST 2006 (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NvAGP" "1" (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration (**) NVIDIA(0): Use of NVIDIA internal AGP requested (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 7800 GS at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0) (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 262144 kBytes (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.71.22.21.0a (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 7800 GS at PCI:1:0:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): PHILIPS 109S4 (CRT-0) (--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0) (--) NVIDIA(0): PHILIPS 109S4 (CRT-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock (--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock (--) NVIDIA(0): TV encoder: NVIDIA (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0 (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes: (II) NVIDIA(0): "1280x1024" (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 1024 (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (90, 96); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config (--) NVIDIA(0): option (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024" (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled *# dmesg | grep nvidia* nvidia0: mem 0xfb000000-0xfbffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xfa000000-0xfaffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] *# tail /boot/device.hints* [code]hint.ie.0.maddr="0xd0000" hint.fe.0.at="isa" hint.fe.0.disabled="1" hint.fe.0.port="0x300" hint.lnc.0.at="isa" hint.lnc.0.disabled="1" hint.lnc.0.port="0x280" hint.lnc.0.irq="10" hint.lnc.0.drq="0" hint.agp.0.disabled="1" *# cat /boot/loader.conf* nvidia_load="YES" linux_load="YES" snd_emu10k1_load="YES" *Motherboard:* Asus A8V deluxe Chipset VIA K8T800 Pro North bridge VIA K8T800 Pro South bridge VIA VT8237 *# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf* Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" # Load "dri" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "xtrap" Load "freetype" Load "type1" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 360 270 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "PHL" ModelName "PHILIPS 109S4" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: HorizSync 30.0 - 92.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "HWcursor" # [] #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "ShadowFB" # [] #Option "UseFBDev" # [] #Option "Rotate" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "FlatPanel" # [] #Option "FPDither" # [] #Option "CrtcNumber" # #Option "FPScale" # [] #Option "FPTweak" # Option "NvAGP" "1" Identifier "Card0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "Unknown Board" BusID "AGP:01:00:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 08:58:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3014416A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.pirko@inode.at) Received: from mx.inode.at (mx16.lb01.inode.at [62.99.145.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB5413C45B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.pirko@inode.at) Received: from [85.124.24.66] (port=13512 helo=[192.168.1.11]) by smartmx-16.inode.at with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HQgMN-0004oy-Gt; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:58:27 +0100 Message-ID: <45F51632.3030205@inode.at> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:58:26 +0100 From: Armin Pirkovitsch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070311) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hxc@planet.nl, FreeBSD Questions References: <45F50398.3040703@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: <45F50398.3040703@planet.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: No matter what I try I can't get Nvidia 3d acceleration to work. Please help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:29 -0000 hxc@planet.nl wrote: > I am trying for several days now to get 3d acceleration working on > FreebSD for my XFX 7800 GS. But nothing what I've tried worked :-( . > Below is a collection of useful information I've gathered thus far. Who > can help me? > *# glxinfo | fgrep direct* > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified try glxinfo as the user which runs the xserver not as root (and only when the x server is running) (or run xhost + as the user who runs the xserver before you use glxinfo as root or any other user - however i wouldn't recommend this version) -- Armin Pirkovitsch a.pirko@inode.at From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 09:21:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6944116A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88AE13C459 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2C9LRpi038654 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:21:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2C9LRC6038651 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:21:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:21:26 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45F453E3.3070809@netfence.it> Message-ID: <20070312102105.F38557@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <45F453E3.3070809@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Box reboots when X.org goes fullscreen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:21:29 -0000 > As soon as I launch any app that tries to go fullscreen (e.g. dosbox), this > box will reboot without displaying any message or leaving a crash dump. > > Any hint on how to start diagnosing this? make debug kernel (makeoptions DEBUG="-g") and see in the crash From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 09:23:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5040D16A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C322513C43E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2C9NOdn038888; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:23:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2C9NNMF038885; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:23:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:23:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: "Brian J. Conway" In-Reply-To: <20070312012217.0c325b4b.bconway@clue4all.net> Message-ID: <20070312102259.K38557@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310105759.6980f90e.bconway@clue4all.net> <20070311221556.2d41802a.bconway@clue4all.net> <20070312012217.0c325b4b.bconway@clue4all.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "illoai@gmail.com" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic xl watchdog timeouts on 6.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:23:34 -0000 >> reboots from kernel panics. Replacing the NIC >> solved it. > > It's possible, but I've tried 3 different 3c905C's between the two > (top-most) slots I'm using for them, and they all have the same symptom, set up speed and half/full duplex manually and it should fix a problem. at least did for me From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 09:36:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EF816A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from wmail.teledomenet.gr (wmail.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8D513C44C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by wmail.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52FD1C87FF; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:12:14 +0200 (EET) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:37:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45F433D1.40802@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <45F433D1.40802@fastmail.fm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703121137.16910.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: Patrick Bowen Subject: Re: Assemblers for FreBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:36:15 -0000 On Sunday 11 March 2007 18:52, Patrick Bowen wrote: > If one wanted to learn Assembly Language Programming, would he be better > served starting with as(1) or nasm(1)? as(1) is the assembler used in the building procedure, making it your logical choice for operating system programming. It uses the AT&T syntax of UNIX heritage. It understands Intel's syntax as well. Keep in mind that the code in the tree is in AT&T syntax. I guess that must be true for all Unix-like operating systems. Last time I checked, nasm was intel only. I think that nasm mainly served people coming from DOS, people that already knew the Intel syntax. If I was about to try assembly, I would learn AT&T. I think there is more code in Intel syntax though, mainly in the graphics area. It depends on what your purpose is. Operating system programming is dominated by as(1). > Also, are either of those > applicable to AMD64, or just i386? Since as(1) is the only assembler in the tree, and FreeBSD can build itself... as(1) supports many machines... HTH, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 09:42:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2418E16A407 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB6813C44C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1814735nfc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEf4lcQ1dfy43DYijZPoBWiZMsoajWjYUb9okt06bPQrkLA4TV6CGW8BUim3J16i1BJRzNKqDeKoXxfxV0EkMuInN7FtW6JIsxJmgK7TDMHsEGUumT28ZapFVWZIcNCOmTELcRuE+8YDuKcNedg7GD+hthEIhT2KjkcAt0bK8r0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IAfEdty5doHQ9vmAxLeNVCbCCg8M27WuJaHeClBK1nNBhqppOJURzUYkrpNszOgx9o4xulBWHzxnc7wGYSDCtxdUUVSnpxpxMrs5Q0/WNW+sgv2jrx/vr4KlXDxYb+5HVAgL2qe3C1TT7KyaT1u8SV83qCEQx5Rr8IxNuwmtVbk= Received: by 10.82.113.6 with SMTP id l6mr7678272buc.1173692532455; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.176.4 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:42:12 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070312090238.E26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <20070312090238.E26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:42:14 -0000 On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> web > >> browser works best with your recommendation? > > > > evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of: > > > > evilwm & > > exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle & > > exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 & > > exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0 > > the best watch using least space on screen is the one hanging on the wall > :) > Something needs to be the key process, evilwm does not care to handle shutting down X. alt-tab to swisswatch, ctl-alt-esc and X closes down rather more neatly than ctl-alt-bkspc. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 09:49:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AC416A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from hawk.thalamus.net (hawk.thalamus.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077D513C46A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost.thalamus.net [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.thalamus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBBB1EE884 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at thalamus.net X-Spam-Score: 0.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.055 tagged_above=-999 required=4.2 tests=[AWL=0.055] Received: from hawk.thalamus.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hawk.thalamus.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqvYv9MYdmQc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.17.0.160] (c-195-216-040-164.cust.thalamus.net [195.216.40.164]) by hawk.thalamus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE47E1EE822 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F51C35.7080600@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:05 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem with kdm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:49:57 -0000 Hi I have a little problem with kdm. When I try to sign on the screen reverts back to the login dialog after a few seconds. I can use xdm without any problems. The problem started when I switched my soundcard from an external soundblaster to the onboard Intel. I'm using the Intel HDA driver and it works! The KDE sound does not work but mplayer for example has sound. I've recompiled KDE but there's no change. I need suggestions on how to analyze this problem and to get kdm to work again. Thanks Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:05:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279EC16A40E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9935A13C465 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CA53vB043879; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:05:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CA521I043876; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:05:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:05:02 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Vulpes Velox In-Reply-To: <20070311194326.4da9e341@vixen42> Message-ID: <20070312110429.D43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703100845u62eab431y3a16ae0d8cb3bba7@mail.gmail.com> <55D533EB-26F9-40B7-838B-8BCB9D0A9463@tca-cable-connector.com> <20070310223906.E8914@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311194326.4da9e341@vixen42> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David Schulz , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:05:05 -0000 >> for machines doing mostly fileserving and routing even 2 CPUs may >> be not well utilized > > That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg, > look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined > to one processor. There has been a massive push since 5 to get ride > of those. top shows giant-lock RARELY when i observe my machines. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:07:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C522A16A404 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF0013C4AE for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CA6csm044078; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:06:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CA6b7s044075; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:06:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:06:37 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20070311234900.GB60396@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20070312110522.O43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311234900.GB60396@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Susanth K , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:07:01 -0000 > > Sort of. Great parts of FreeBSD, in fact the vast majority of > the source code, is written in C. But it is not *completely* > written in C. groff is in C++ AFAIK, lots of shell or perl code to support compiling, some assembly, adaptec microcode assembler etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:09:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CBA16A405 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from wmail.teledomenet.gr (wmail.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF7413C455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by wmail.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230241C8834; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:45:17 +0200 (EET) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: Modulok Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:10:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <64c038660703080349t3311fa22lf8e6ba736db330ed@mail.gmail.com> <200703091608.47529.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <64c038660703091352u7d8e498eq8049b78a34933555@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660703091352u7d8e498eq8049b78a34933555@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703121210.19301.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kill a hanged disk i/o process... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:17 -0000 On Friday 09 March 2007 23:52, Modulok wrote: > "How do I work-around a situation where cp, hangs forever?" You can try several things: 1) mount read-only and try to copy the data. dd(1) might be a better choice than cp(1), read more bellow. 2) unmount and dump(8) the filesystem. 3) use dd(1) to copy the filesystem to a file(use conv=noerror,sync to ignore I/O errors) I assume that: 1) your operating system lives in a healthy disk and 2) you have the needed space in this healthy disk to copy the data. Keep in mind the warning from the BUGS section in mount(8) manual page: It is possible for a corrupted file system to cause a crash. I would use method 3 first, which would give me the opportunity to try different things, without having to do them on the actual filesystem, but on the file- backed filesystem, for example fsck(8). HTH, Nikos > > -Modulok- > > On 3/9/07, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > > On Friday 09 March 2007 15:28, Modulok wrote: > > > Thank you for your reply, it was quite informative and very much > > > appreciated, but the underlying question remains un-answered: > > > > > > How do you kill a hanged process that (seemingly) cannot be killed because > > > of the two conditions below? > > > > > > -It's hanged, so it's not ever going to self terminate. > > > -It's a disk i/o process so not even root can kill it. > > > > > > > As I said before disk I/O is irrelevant. > > > > > The gentle shutdown solution doesn't work: Even during shutdown the > > process > > > cannot be killed: it's hanged, it's disk i/o. > > > > > > How do you kill an un-killable process? > > > > What makes you believe there is another official way > > to kill a process? > > > > Perhaps you should ask "How do I work-around a situation > > where my rm, cp, whatever hang forever?", if that's what > > you are looking for. > > > > > -Modulok- > > > > > > > > > On 3/9/07, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thursday 08 March 2007 13:49, Modulok wrote: > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, most processes can be killed explicitly > > > > > by "kill -s KILL;" There are a few which cannot, such as disk i/o > > > > > processes. The idea here is data integrity. > > > > > > > > A process might be in cannot-be-killed condition while > > > > in kernel e.g. during a system call. That has to do with > > > > the completion of the system call, not with data integrity. > > > > The kernel tries to complete what was asked for. > > > > > > > > Also, Killing a process with SIGKILL is far from safe. To put > > > > it in another way "data integrity" can be guaranteed only > > > > by the program itself. For example it could have a defined > > > > behavior when it is signaled by e.g. SIGTERM, for example > > > > clean up data and exit. Or not. It's up to the programmer. > > > > Sending a SIGKILL will not give that chance. SIGKILL can > > > > not be handled. It will be terminated as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > Also, separate the meanings "data integrity" and "filesystem > > > > data integrity". The filesystem will be in fine condition when > > > > a process gets killed by SIGKILL during file I/O, the data in > > > > the file most probably not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the rare occasion however, (when attempting to recover data from > > > > > corrupt disks for example), I've had a process invoked by the "cp" > > > > > command, hang. This poses a significant problem as these processes are > > > > > disk i/o processes, and as such cannot be terminated (even by root). > > > > > So, other than physically hitting the reset button on the case, is > > > > > there a more eloquent method of forcefully halting a hanged disk i/o > > > > > process? The idea of "you don't want to terminate a disk i/o process, > > > > > it could corrupt the data" isn't really a good argument, because if > > > > > the process hangs and I have to punch the reset button anyway what's > > > > > the difference? > > > > > > > > "Pressing the button" will leave your filesystem in a undefined state, > > > > you are risking filesystem integrity. Keep in mind that while in use > > > > (open files etc) a filesystem cannot be unmounted. Anyway, try to shut > > > > the computer down, it's far more gentle than pressing the button. At > > > > least the rest of the filesystems will be cleanly unmounted. > > > > > > > > Is there something in particular you want to achieve? > > > > > > > > Nikos > > > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:09:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422C116A40B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FD513C4AE for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CA9F2K044370; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:09:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CA9FA7044367; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:09:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:09:14 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Roger Olofsson In-Reply-To: <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> Message-ID: <20070312110850.A43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:21 -0000 > They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect with a > windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives! what is Xming? with grep -i xming /usr/ports/INDEX nothing found From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:10:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0CA16A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDB613C45A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CAAEj3044503; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:10:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CAABmd044500; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:10:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:10:11 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: NetOpsCenter In-Reply-To: <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> Message-ID: <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Patrick Bowen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:10:17 -0000 > I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple GUI > which I use on any Desktops I build. The video is clear and is simple. ( > XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and install easily > from ports. one of the best choices for those who want "desktop". but is it needed at all? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:24:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954B816A40B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A30D13C489 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1534490wxc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.113.16 with SMTP id l16mr10133748wxc.1173695074748; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i38sm8726511wxd.2007.03.12.03.24.33; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:24:19 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070312062419.64896959@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> Organization: Seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_VY6=g5Qbb6Ob+NoP7XPp2rr"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:24:35 -0000 --Sig_VY6=g5Qbb6Ob+NoP7XPp2rr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:10:11 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a > > Simple GUI which I use on any Desktops I build. The video is clear > > and is simple. ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc > > all work and install easily from ports. > one of the best choices for those who want "desktop". but is it > needed at all? It is for someone who wants to work in that environment. --=20 Gerard When confronted by a difficult problem, you can often solve it quite easily by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" --Sig_VY6=g5Qbb6Ob+NoP7XPp2rr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF9SpfFCqdq4D1ybYRAh20AKC07zcSk5GXYZi6jpsFyjv6MwgwoQCbBZ83 mSGT/lSfxCDqY8aUYrdAZAM= =qnuG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_VY6=g5Qbb6Ob+NoP7XPp2rr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 10:29:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED9616A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from PETER.HARRISON@dwp.gsi.gov.uk) Received: from mail39.messagelabs.com (mail39.messagelabs.com [193.109.254.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2EBB13C46E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from PETER.HARRISON@dwp.gsi.gov.uk) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: PETER.HARRISON@dwp.gsi.gov.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-39.messagelabs.com!1173695340!20594235!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=dwp.gsi.gov.uk,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.92.40.48] Received: (qmail 19061 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2007 10:29:00 -0000 Received: from gateway-201.energis.gsi.gov.uk (HELO mx.hosting-e.gsi.gov.uk) (195.92.40.48) by server-2.tower-39.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 10:29:00 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <0740B9A6C3639441850D84E94767945C02EAAC29@DMM00038.link2.gpn.gov.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Help needed syncing Palm Treo 650 with FreeBSD Thread-Index: AcdimxPj7fB3D/EVS7+oW7pIcLsrcwB9XsTw From: "Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD" To: "Aniruddha" , "Vince" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2007 10:27:41.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[1071AFB0:01C76491] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Help needed syncing Palm Treo 650 with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:29:03 -0000 -----Original=20Message----- From:=20Aniruddha=20[mailto:mailing_list@planet.nl] Sent:=2009=20March=202007=2022:36 To:=20Vince Cc:=20Harrison=20Peter=20CSA=20BIRKENHEAD;=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org= Subject:=20Re:=20Help=20needed=20syncing=20Palm=20Treo=20650=20with=20Free= BSD >Vince=20wrote:=20 >Aniruddha=20wrote: >=20=20 >Vince=20wrote: >=20=20=20=20 >for=20devfs.rules=20add=20something=20like >[system=3D10] >add=20path=20'ttyU*'=20mode=200666 > >to=20/etc/devfs.rules > >you=20also=20need=20to=20add >devfs_system_ruleset=3D"system" > >to=20rc.conf > > >Vince > >=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >Ok=20I=20will=20try=20that=20:-) >=20=20=20=20 >Oh=20i=20forgot=20to=20mention=20you=20will=20have=20to=20restart=20devfs= =20afterwards, >/etc/rc.d/devfs=20restart > >Vince > >=20=20 >Ehm=20I=20can't=20find=20=20/etc/devfs.rules: > > >ls=20/etc/=20|=20grep=20dev >devd.conf >devfs.conf You=20need=20to=20create=20/etc/devfs.rules=20if=20you've=20haven't=20used= =20it=20before.=20Vince=20has=20given=20you=20what=20you=20need=20to=20put= =20in=20the=20file,=20modifying=20rc.conf=20to=20pull=20your=20custom=20ru= leset=20in=20then=20restarting=20devfs. 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When I try to sign on the screen > reverts back to the login dialog after a few seconds. I can use xdm > without any problems. > > The problem started when I switched my soundcard from an external > soundblaster to the onboard Intel. I'm using the Intel HDA driver and it > works! The KDE sound does not work but mplayer for example has sound. > I don't think that these two are actually related. The Display Manager hasn't anything to do with the sound card, at least not after you entered username and password. So my guess is that you broke your KDM configuration somehow. The situation you describe usually means that the session you're trying to execute is invalid. This can have a variety of reasons. I can't help you here because I don't know what session you're trying to execute. Are you using KDE or Gnome, or do you have a ~/.xsession defined? If the latter is the case I doubt that kdm did work for you, because AFAIK KDM doesn't support Xsession. First check what session is execute upon login. There is a Session menu somewhere on the kdm login screen. Choose a session that you know does exist. > I've recompiled KDE but there's no change. > > I need suggestions on how to analyze this problem and to get kdm to work > again. HTH Christian > > Thanks > > Leslie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF2F16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hxc@planet.nl) Received: from psmtp03.wxs.nl (psmtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.247.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2D513C45A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hxc@planet.nl) Received: from [192.168.0.141] ([80.60.30.253]) by psmtp03.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JES00DUIHKJPJ@psmtp03.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:05:07 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:05:07 +0100 From: hxc@planet.nl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <45F541F3.5040309@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070303) Subject: Re: No matter what I try I can't get Nvidia 3d acceleration to work. Please help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:05:09 -0000 Running glxinfo as user works: $ glxinfo | fgrep direct direct rendering: Yes 3d acceleration still isn't working though :-( : $ sysctl hw.nvidia.agp.status hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled hw.nvidia.agp.status.driver: n/a (unused) hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate: n/a (disabled) hw.nvidia.agp.status.fw: n/a (disabled) hw.nvidia.agp.status.sba: n/a (disabled) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBF416A404 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B469713C44B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D1B2F380BA; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:27:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AD7380CC; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:27:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (81-231-90-251-no41.tbcn.telia.com [81.231.90.251]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8B437E46; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:27:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F546BA.1060300@passagen.se> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:25:30 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Schlichting References: <042d01c76476$b226bc30$16743490$@net> In-Reply-To: <042d01c76476$b226bc30$16743490$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recover Make ARG's from a ports Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:27:40 -0000 Hello Alexander, There's /var/db/ports/ for the result of make configure, if that is what you mean? Otherwise most ports should have their .conf and other settings in /usr/local/etc. Good luck! Alexander Schlichting skrev: > > > On a server I have a package installed using ports and now I have to install > the package with exactly the same make arguments on another server. I just > don't find a way to see what arguments where used to install it the first > time. With Linux I would look into config.status is there something similar > with FreeBSD? Sorry for having to ask but I am using FreeBSD for the first > days now after 5 years using Linux only :) > > > > -Alex > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:28:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2302D16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811013C44B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CCSGDF060407; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CCSFEc060395; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:15 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Gerard Seibert In-Reply-To: <20070312062419.64896959@localhost> Message-ID: <20070312132401.T58112@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312062419.64896959@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:28:22 -0000 > It is for someone who wants to work in that environment. > exactly, but it would be handy to define what "desktop" is. could someone provide me a definition? is X server alone a desktop? i think no. is KDE a desktop? i think yes from what i heard. is XFCE a desktop? i think too. so is my X server+fvwm2 having no visible icons, windows, frames etc. (but having a menu under keypress) a desktop or not? if yes - then we can define desktop as any software able to run graphics mode programs on graphics capable machine. like bash or csh for text mode. if no - what part of say KDE make it a desktop? i'm not trying to start any war, just want to hear a definition of so commonly used term today. Wojtek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:31:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A478A16A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7839E13C468 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2CCVNxc013774 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:31:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l2CCVN1d017433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:31:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <200703121231.l2CCVN1d017433@lava.sentex.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:33:36 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Post DST changes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:31:24 -0000 I am seeing some inconsistent and strange results after the DST change this weekend. On all the boxes, it seems setup OK # zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=-18000 /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 EDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-14400 /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 05:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 EDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-14400 /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 06:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=-18000 And the command "date" gives the correct time. But until I restart some applications, I dont see the right times logged in syslog ?! e.g # date Mon Mar 12 08:17:06 EDT 2007 And looking at BIND's entries to syslog, I see the correct timestamps Mar 12 08:17:42 granite named[16080]: denied recursion for query from [198.73.192.129].1364 for 119.64.22.72.in-addr.arpa IN Mar 12 08:17:42 granite named[16080]: denied recursion for query from [198.73.192.129].1364 for 119.64.22.72.in-addr.arpa IN Mar 12 07:17:43 granite /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP 199.212.xx.x:995 from 74.97.26.112:53911 flags:0x02 Mar 12 08:17:50 granite named[16080]: denied update from [64.7.xx.90].2163 for "xxx.com" IN Mar 12 08:17:50 granite named[16080]: denied update from [64.7.xx.90].2163 for "xxx.com" IN yet mixed in notice the /kernel entry... Its an hour off !? if I restart syslogd, it corrects it for the kernel entry, but not for other applications. They all seem to log the time one hour back. Most applications seem this way. On my more recent boxes this didnt happen, but for some legacy RELENG_4 and older RELENG_5 and RELENG_6 boxes, the same odd behavior. /etc/localtime looks the same on all the boxes # md5 /etc/localtime MD5 (/etc/localtime) = 82980b1345aab5a97d90307edfefb6da [smtp1]% md5 /etc/localtime MD5 (/etc/localtime) = 82980b1345aab5a97d90307edfefb6da [smtp1]% yet different behaviour. Any idea whats up ? ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:34:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841D616A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C8313C45E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1644454ika for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:34:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CDSbh6NMXqD1dmvOYsTt3mGr2+eOStQZ64k4EFeeyEsChbehBVJVsM59Z1nBuv082ESihLOEjU9GfzyjFHhc3KQStosxO4X1reADZ1Htl5uSeYG63rdqwNUJ7dwtcmWgT+Did0/0ulb2iKvyopjz0x0xNvFi2vmyNqRVGiCR4+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UiU2R748UFjkpX7/JvD4a9whO55kRRFEMX1Coua1QI9yLUglAWmfAQgEcXXfAsURHEaLbtr9apEsVQ583gch8FCtNepx1nS8LosZljzbbYFAJkiv23zhFUECjErZ83av2n5UI8A2ikelDTlmF+CDHmQfF5PdbycwANpI4HzU3iM= Received: by 10.70.73.12 with SMTP id v12mr10376206wxa.1173701399151; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.13 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:09:53 +1100 From: Sunnz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:34:24 -0000 Hi, Just updated /usr/src to -stable (-rRELENG_6), and are now compiling the -stable kernel. Just wondering if I will need to rebuild the base system (world?) as well so they are in sync? Thanks. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:38:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78FD16A404 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7F613C46A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 304ED38A36; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FE538A72; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (81-231-90-251-no41.tbcn.telia.com [81.231.90.251]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD6037E47; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F54936.3050200@passagen.se> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:36:06 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> <20070312110850.A43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070312110850.A43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:38:19 -0000 Hello Wojciech, ..."If you should need to connect with a Windows box"...(to a FreeBSD machine running X). A part of Xming is a remote desktop client for Windows. You will find more information at -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming. Good luck! Wojciech Puchar skrev: >> They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect >> with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives! > > what is Xming? > > with grep -i xming /usr/ports/INDEX > nothing found > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BD016A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590D513C483 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HQjsE-00088H-21 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:43:34 +0100 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:43:34 +0100 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:43:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:43:17 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20060911) In-Reply-To: Sender: news Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:43:42 -0000 Sunnz wrote: > Hi, > > Just updated /usr/src to -stable (-rRELENG_6), and are now compiling > the -stable kernel. > > Just wondering if I will need to rebuild the base system (world?) as > well so they are in sync? Probably nothing bad will happen if you don't, but if you start getting weird errors this is the first thing you should do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:46:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E1E16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A9E13C45D for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so2111253ugh for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr10472418wxa.1173703586369; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i40sm8991424wxd.2007.03.12.05.46.25; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:46:23 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: FreeBSD Question Message-ID: <20070312084623.34143e10@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070312132401.T58112@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312062419.64896959@localhost> <20070312132401.T58112@chylonia.3miasto.net> Organization: Seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_nEDcVt=LuKubC=FieAnzSOW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:46:29 -0000 --Sig_nEDcVt=LuKubC=FieAnzSOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:15 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > It is for someone who wants to work in that environment. > > >=20 > exactly, but it would be handy to define what "desktop" is. >=20 > could someone provide me a definition? >=20 > is X server alone a desktop? i think no. > is KDE a desktop? i think yes from what i heard. >=20 > is XFCE a desktop? i think too. >=20 > so is my X server+fvwm2 having no visible icons, windows, frames etc. > (but having a menu under keypress) a desktop or not? >=20 > if yes - then we can define desktop as any software able to run > graphics mode programs on graphics capable machine. like bash or csh > for text mode. >=20 > if no - what part of say KDE make it a desktop? >=20 >=20 >=20 > i'm not trying to start any war, just want to hear a definition of so=20 > commonly used term today. > Wojtek Before you ask so many questions, why don't you invest a little time in RTFM, or perhaps STFW. Check out this URL for starters: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html --=20 Gerard Fortune's current rates: Answers .10 Long answers .25 Answers requiring thought .50 Correct answers $1.00 Dumb looks are still free. --Sig_nEDcVt=LuKubC=FieAnzSOW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF9UufFCqdq4D1ybYRAq+yAKDnNzS6a9UpGJTo6glswQb8Unh87QCeIokt gVeo2fhMLKmsAZTAugiTjpg= =Kzkn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_nEDcVt=LuKubC=FieAnzSOW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 12:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090A516A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFBE013C448 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: (qmail 19213 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2007 12:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.184.133.124) by smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.238) with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2007 12:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:50:25 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Sean Bryant Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:50:28 -0000 On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> default, window frames and titles removed, >>> >>> all screen available for ACTUAL USE. >>> >> >> All easily attainable in E17. :) > > put a config for E17 for those interested. Unfortunately the config files are now in a binary format. So to post them would be less than enlightening. :P However, it is certainly possible to have all windows borderless and full screen, each on their own desktop. You can navigate desktops with keybd or mouse strokes. You never have to touch a menu as you can launch apps via keybindings (do most other things as well.) You should give it a try. Its very fast and very lightweight. > > my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you > may write it yourself or use my "menugen" program. > > set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen > > > WindowFont -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 > MenuStyle white black white > -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm > OpaqueMoveSize 100 > EdgeScroll 5 5 > EdgeResistance 10000 10000 > DeskTopSize 2x2 > #ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/: > Style "*" NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, > BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0 > Style "Fvwm*" Sticky, WindowListSkip > > Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl > > DestroyMenu "StartMenu" > AddToMenu "StartMenu" > + "FreeBSD Apps" Popup FreeBSD > + "Quit fvwm2" Quit + "Restart Fvwm2" Restart > > > #AddToFunc "Move-or-Raise" "M" Move > #+ "M" Raise > #+ "C" Raise > #+ "D" Maximize 100 100 > > Mouse 1 I A Iconify False > Mouse 1 W C Maximize 100 100 > Mouse 2 W C RaiseLower > Mouse 3 WI C Close > Mouse 1 W 4 Move > Mouse 2 WI 4 Iconify > Mouse 3 W 4 Resize > Key Right A 4 Desk 1 > Key Left A 4 Desk -1 > Key F1 A 4 Desk 0 0 > Key F2 A 4 Desk 0 1 > Key F3 A 4 Desk 0 2 > Key F4 A 4 Desk 0 3 > Key F5 A 4 Desk 0 4 > Key F6 A 4 Desk 0 5 > Key F7 A 4 Desk 0 6 > Key F8 A 4 Desk 0 7 > Key F9 A 4 Desk 0 8 > Key F10 A 4 Desk 0 9 > Key F11 A 4 Desk 0 10 > Key F12 A 4 Desk 0 11 > Key F1 A C Desk 0 21 > Key F2 A C Desk 0 22 > Key F3 A C Desk 0 23 > Key F4 A C Desk 0 24 > Key F5 A C Desk 0 25 > Key F6 A C Desk 0 26 > Key F7 A C Desk 0 27 > Key F8 A C Desk 0 28 > Key F9 A C Desk 0 29 > Key F10 A C Desk 0 30 > Key F11 A C Desk 0 31 > Key F12 A C Desk 0 32 > Key M A 4 Menu "StartMenu" > Key Menu A A Menu "StartMenu" > Key X A 4 Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls > Key W A 4 WindowList > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Regards, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE3E16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075FB13C457 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1570526wxc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BRp6dGKixeR/esjObYKp3ee6f8b76Y+x6U3BRlNd+aEC90Xt4+kyh4F7O4vK4VHjy0vFQ7zyadakjajA1o3iqs6JPzbxJTBqLbdP8tJ6sqXwIKW5iUpTCt4XxDeKXRwu+yV7WIvYRhOPIDkR3eWqiWRfqsgsLjbEDroakhvY8NE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JyxUnAsx8rc37OaCP2U+6hcZQ8X6/Ia8b2jr+Thsnx0LhNuJb9lY4y5GQZyvMA2WG2TFKQzyNEYi/JpUQlI2NCPPTP19xUP6frGvyBDyccx6AUz2TgqraLQLqIn1WpKWVc8Ld3aAQjReswRceoANWS1kIVhvYPLut1XKdnr7rCQ= Received: by 10.70.59.20 with SMTP id h20mr10538935wxa.1173704705972; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.15 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14989d6e0703120605o4a67b370v3e252865dfb76aaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:05:05 +0100 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Eric Schuele" In-Reply-To: <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:05:07 -0000 On 12/03/07, Eric Schuele wrote: > On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> default, window frames and titles removed, > >>> [...] > > However, it is certainly possible to have all windows borderless and > full screen, each on their own desktop. You can navigate desktops with > keybd or mouse strokes. You never have to touch a menu as you can > launch apps via keybindings (do most other things as well.) > > You should give it a try. Its very fast and very lightweight. > Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task. ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts of your taste, for example with two columns or even more complex ones. (I've a special layout for gimp where most windows fit into their own frame.) Never touch a window title bar anymore. No resizing, no moving around... Simply brilliant. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:07:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2588D16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAD413C480 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CD7Trj064945; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:07:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CD7TZ5064942; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:07:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:07:29 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Sunnz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:07:31 -0000 > > Just updated /usr/src to -stable (-rRELENG_6), and are now compiling > the -stable kernel. > > Just wondering if I will need to rebuild the base system (world?) as > well so they are in sync? > tell me what base system do you have now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:11:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E74016A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDA113C458 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so2119313ugh for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:11:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SX8+2juWKjmjSyBHlYC/l+4hnAEZAD42Y96J6jxy2IoWqpJDW/sZky1555TYuocADzkMxzIKKsSWLFRiC0R41QY/ZiKe9mQTkzibarTW7zjjXITk38UU1v8mbk7ezxwN9oKqrvx2U80wP4lSQNsSLnvLvKecKqn4/n9FASR6BH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FP+W7RhcVYEvMx5VucXmpYRrFmNubbVaDrrV1CFvgCqcS4UC/26n4Sk4Pkd5SQba6/DbcvYUzMMacFLf0zPdXLq59Usmz6Hun05z13FIlcGnCMsZ6STR60aYbrNXA9JpAiyx1ydiHSDGoUfJ2nBkmR32UOXsbzlj8WHHcz2qp/E= Received: by 10.70.113.15 with SMTP id l15mr10461203wxc.1173705067486; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.13 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:11:07 +1100 From: Sunnz To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:09 -0000 6.2-Release. I only have updated the kernel so far. Probably will upgrade the base system soon, but at the same time I wanted to know if it should be something need to be done as quickly as possible. Thanks 2007/3/13, Wojciech Puchar : > > > > Just updated /usr/src to -stable (-rRELENG_6), and are now compiling > > the -stable kernel. > > > > Just wondering if I will need to rebuild the base system (world?) as > > well so they are in sync? > > > tell me what base system do you have now. > > -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:11:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A697A16A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5B113C46A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFDEEBC62; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:47 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Sunnz Message-Id: <20070312091147.7c84526f.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:50 -0000 In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > > Just updated /usr/src to -stable (-rRELENG_6), and are now compiling > > the -stable kernel. > > > > Just wondering if I will need to rebuild the base system (world?) as > > well so they are in sync? 99% of the time, the answer is "yes". The real answer is that it depends on which version your going from and to and what sort of changes have been made to kernel interfaces between those versions. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:13:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6A116A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D5D13C4AE for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CDDFng065683; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:13:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CDDF2d065680; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:13:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:13:15 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Roger Olofsson In-Reply-To: <45F54936.3050200@passagen.se> Message-ID: <20070312140756.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> <20070312110850.A43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54936.3050200@passagen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:13:16 -0000 the one i was looking for very long! as i don't have windoze anywhere close now could you tell me if: 1) this X server can use font server or Xorg format fontsets (.pcf.gz or .pcf) 2) does it work with xdm on server (just for sure, as naturally it should) 3) what keybinding will be blocked because it's used by windows alone? can it be used "fullscreen" with just one or two key combinations reserved to minimizing/iconizing it's display in windows. i tried cygwin's X server (mostly doesn't work) some time ago. i tried others, and only vnc works but it's not X server/client but bitmap differentiation. and vnc X server wasn't able to accept -fp right. at least when i tried. no polish fonts etc... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:16:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CA716A404 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C36813C457 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CDDnQd048327; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:13:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2CDDnW2048326; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:13:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:13:49 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Susanth K Message-ID: <20070312131349.GB48255@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:16:59 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:03:38AM +0530, Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD > > Which project has good Support and Active Development ? Well, gee, someone has to say - of course, the best one is FreeBSD. As others have said, any of them can work. FreeBSD is well supported and has all the extra software available that you might need for that but is still lean and not bloated up with junk you don't need. So, it makes a good choice. The fact that it just works is in its favor too. ////jerry > > Please help me to choose > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > > > SUSANTH K > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:17:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CCE16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7F613C4AD for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CDHcXo066170; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CDHcEo066167; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Gerard Seibert In-Reply-To: <20070312084623.34143e10@localhost> Message-ID: <20070312141359.L64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312062419.64896959@localhost> <20070312132401.T58112@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312084623.34143e10@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Question Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:17:39 -0000 > > Check out this URL for starters: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html A "desktop environment" can mean anything ranging from a simple window manager to a complete suite of desktop applications, such as KDE or GNOME. "can mean" is very far from definition. further reading shows that desktop is "where data and applications can be placed". i always though that data and application are on disk. still no definition of desktop, but looks like desktop=ability to display icon symbols of files and programs (which are files too) and ability to provide "panel" for starting programs and doing some other maintenance. do i say right? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:18:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5349016A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC79D13C43E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CDI38a066206; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:18:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CDI3Uc066203; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:18:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:18:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Eric Schuele In-Reply-To: <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> Message-ID: <20070312141753.S64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Sean Bryant Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:18:16 -0000 > > You should give it a try. Its very fast and very lightweight. faster than fvwm2. so i will :) > >> >> my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may >> write it yourself or use my "menugen" program. >> >> set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen >> >> >> WindowFont -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 >> MenuStyle white black white >> -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm >> OpaqueMoveSize 100 >> EdgeScroll 5 5 >> EdgeResistance 10000 10000 >> DeskTopSize 2x2 >> #ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/: >> Style "*" NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth >> 0, HandleWidth 0 >> Style "Fvwm*" Sticky, WindowListSkip >> >> Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl >> >> DestroyMenu "StartMenu" >> AddToMenu "StartMenu" >> + "FreeBSD Apps" Popup FreeBSD >> + "Quit fvwm2" Quit + "Restart Fvwm2" Restart >> >> >> #AddToFunc "Move-or-Raise" "M" Move >> #+ "M" Raise >> #+ "C" Raise >> #+ "D" Maximize 100 100 >> >> Mouse 1 I A Iconify False >> Mouse 1 W C Maximize 100 100 >> Mouse 2 W C RaiseLower >> Mouse 3 WI C Close >> Mouse 1 W 4 Move >> Mouse 2 WI 4 Iconify >> Mouse 3 W 4 Resize >> Key Right A 4 Desk 1 >> Key Left A 4 Desk -1 >> Key F1 A 4 Desk 0 0 >> Key F2 A 4 Desk 0 1 >> Key F3 A 4 Desk 0 2 >> Key F4 A 4 Desk 0 3 >> Key F5 A 4 Desk 0 4 >> Key F6 A 4 Desk 0 5 >> Key F7 A 4 Desk 0 6 >> Key F8 A 4 Desk 0 7 >> Key F9 A 4 Desk 0 8 >> Key F10 A 4 Desk 0 9 >> Key F11 A 4 Desk 0 10 >> Key F12 A 4 Desk 0 11 >> Key F1 A C Desk 0 21 >> Key F2 A C Desk 0 22 >> Key F3 A C Desk 0 23 >> Key F4 A C Desk 0 24 >> Key F5 A C Desk 0 25 >> Key F6 A C Desk 0 26 >> Key F7 A C Desk 0 27 >> Key F8 A C Desk 0 28 >> Key F9 A C Desk 0 29 >> Key F10 A C Desk 0 30 >> Key F11 A C Desk 0 31 >> Key F12 A C Desk 0 32 >> Key M A 4 Menu "StartMenu" >> Key Menu A A Menu "StartMenu" >> Key X A 4 Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls >> Key W A 4 WindowList >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > Eric > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:22:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2470616A400 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9C13C469 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CDMBsF066704; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:22:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CDMBhJ066701; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:22:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:22:11 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Christian Walther In-Reply-To: <14989d6e0703120605o4a67b370v3e252865dfb76aaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070312141815.H64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> <14989d6e0703120605o4a67b370v3e252865dfb76aaa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Eric Schuele Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:22:14 -0000 > Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task. > ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you > describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts i am always open for making my workplace more productive and easier to use. so i will have a try of E17 and ion3, while second looks like more designed to my needs. i tried ratpoison but i was unable to do single-key switching to other desktops and manage well subwindows in some apps like gimp, which always needs multiple windows on one desktop. PS. Because i don't get definition of desktop i used there and in other posts: desktop is one complete full screen workspace. be it text or graphics doesn't matter. PS2. still waiting for precise desktop definition, because i think that this term is regularly misused. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:23:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8FE16A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCBA13C48C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CDNWHl066879; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:23:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CDNWXC066876; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:23:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:23:32 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Sunnz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070312142222.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:23:33 -0000 > 6.2-Release. I only have updated the kernel so far. my question was what version of base system you have in /bin, /sbin, /lib etc. now so i could answer if you HAVE to compile 6.2, should or don't need to, just put the kernel if your system binaries is 6.0 or later you don't need to update From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:33:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB3916A4E5 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2272F13C508 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1290653ana for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HZLDWcw1b9fwHksq4OSQmArIX4Pq1rgtlk34lfYiIjJLBpo1KQCSjn7rIOCm5A29K6WylQwIazSqsOZsRj7NuZHkbi8oM6UMAWtXT2u3Hzgi6zC52YkbtjoGyRNraJ1LNV3S1kBDKDNMr2rqyS4BV+NOZ7YLro824WnUbJGZImU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bfp5WdJhkyfc8jT2pGa/9eQNPRhK580BxySqpRLc0/jtiU9dxBVOds3mXrpKwfqNOpBkyG58ZS+frmbb8wX9QSGWY+QO9dP4UdQ0lt+yAvFObx4Ef0Z1/kXZQ4SCDzeQaGImP2yVwrSLUKpyiMYAM4E0/LVowmFHGQSXIwEECIU= Received: by 10.115.33.1 with SMTP id l1mr1506748waj.1173706413431; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.56.10 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260703120633p5cb5a1r9687c2a83b293d53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:33:33 +0000 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703120556y7785bb71jec8fa20287011c2a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> <8a0028260703120556y7785bb71jec8fa20287011c2a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Fwd: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:33:36 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeff Rollin Date: 12-Mar-2007 12:56 Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... To: Eric Schuele On 12/03/07, Eric Schuele wrote: > On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> default, window frames and titles removed, > >>> > >>> all screen available for ACTUAL USE. > >>> > >> > >> All easily attainable in E17. :) > > > > put a config for E17 for those interested. > > Unfortunately the config files are now in a binary format. So to post > them would be less than enlightening. :P > yuck, yuck, yuck Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:36:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D2C16A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B567D13C457 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CDXR0N048458; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:33:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2CDXQOh048457; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:33:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:33:26 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Susanth K Message-ID: <20070312133326.GA48412@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:36:37 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 02:07:04PM +0530, Susanth K wrote: > Wikipedia says, > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd > > FreeBSD 7.0 is on >> Improved scheduler and locking scalability for 32+ CPU > systems (prototyping) > > Does Any One know How Many CPU Does FreeBSD 6.2 Supports ? People on the list just discussed this - not too meaningfully - but... I don't know if there is a coded in limit in either 6.xx or 7.xx. People were more talking about a practical limit, meaning how many could be efficiently handled. For 6.xx they seemed to think that something between 4 and 8 were practical limits. But, this is assuming all CPUs were being used on the same task. Having multiple tasks might increase this. Again, I don't know if somewwhere there is a coded in or configurable limit to how many CPUs it will talk to. Someone who knows the code should answer that. No one has attempted to respond in terms of V 7.xxx as far as I have noticed. ////jerry > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:37:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E51A16A40B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB7013C484 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2C931AD044936 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:37:20 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 13:37:20 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd questions In-Reply-To: <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> <1173664836.3731.26.camel@localhost> <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:37:18 -0300 Message-Id: <1173706638.1260.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Old things do work. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:37:22 -0000 As I said some emails ago.... I have a 200 machines all freebsd network that runs 24/7 with a mtbf of 15 years... how I got the numbers? well I have an "issue" every 3 or 4 weeks... (the machine hangs, stops, the power supply explodes....) the machines are aways on... if you count 200 machines and one machine crashes once every 200 days, I will have a 200 day running time on each machine... well I have almost once a month problem... that is 30 times 200 days -> 6000 days for each machine... the machines have now 3 to 5 years old... Now I am replacing the machines for AMD64 with mainboard ECS that proved the more reliable hardware... (asus k8v is also a good choice) (gateway is bad...) 98% of the machines are AMD, some are cyrix It continues to run even with the cpu cooler stopped by dust (yes!!! some machines are in rural areas, gas stations and have no way to offer maitenance) and I have not seen them for years... but sometimes the machines emails me.. (when they finally get dial up connection... and have some issue like: no space, no swap...) it is like sending them to mars... You can see some pictures of the running system on FreeBSD + gnome + windowmaker... at http://www.k1.com.br/images/sistemas these are old pictures, but you can have an idea. the new versions have more enhancements.... It is all coded in FreeBSD with python + gtk + postgres... and runs in windows too... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:38:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A6D16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EF413C457 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CDbpvB049221 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:38:32 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 13:38:32 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd questions In-Reply-To: <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> <1173664836.3731.26.camel@localhost> <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:37:18 -0300 Message-Id: <1173706638.1260.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Old things do work. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:34 -0000 As I said some emails ago.... I have a 200 machines all freebsd network that runs 24/7 with a mtbf of 15 years... how I got the numbers? well I have an "issue" every 3 or 4 weeks... (the machine hangs, stops, the power supply explodes....) the machines are aways on... if you count 200 machines and one machine crashes once every 200 days, I will have a 200 day running time on each machine... well I have almost once a month problem... that is 30 times 200 days -> 6000 days for each machine... the machines have now 3 to 5 years old... Now I am replacing the machines for AMD64 with mainboard ECS that proved the more reliable hardware... (asus k8v is also a good choice) (gateway is bad...) 98% of the machines are AMD, some are cyrix It continues to run even with the cpu cooler stopped by dust (yes!!! some machines are in rural areas, gas stations and have no way to offer maitenance) and I have not seen them for years... but sometimes the machines emails me.. (when they finally get dial up connection... and have some issue like: no space, no swap...) it is like sending them to mars... You can see some pictures of the running system on FreeBSD + gnome + windowmaker... at http://www.k1.com.br/images/sistemas these are old pictures, but you can have an idea. the new versions have more enhancements.... It is all coded in FreeBSD with python + gtk + postgres... and runs in windows too... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:38:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0412B16A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E76413C4B8 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1884939nfc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=awaXoEQ1Xa2Lrn/3j/aC46fdPLH7iSSCgv8+m8t6BzjkSGXLa8j/fZMfo367I2Yjq7qFL0d6ya+4yzTUrOKu4NBVhuaV/15iBZmi0RZa8M+LiORpVOh+JRs3NQTyxYm6IZDib+ksqkfFJurYTGJOXgSgxJkBmno0rHju3cAwU20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=AGudG3EAe7A46aau2ckIsBkvoS3SP6HET5o0lmMY6BHgU1jEU9JG7LA/kOuq8INZLz18lG8rm57SBzv1tqB1iiOBb4UIiqqG+b/fEdc4QpLaV6zKqJu/iunGkaw8ux3e064yE9CpWbBNglsKpdgHxYHVug7R12TTvVRyukEy0hw= Received: by 10.82.186.5 with SMTP id j5mr8151688buf.1173706734052; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persephone.orchid.homeunix.org ( [84.10.174.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e8sm21949259muf.2007.03.12.06.38.53; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45F557E4.1040708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:38:44 +0100 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312142222.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070312142222.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7DB305EDB2D6657037E0D5D1" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: karol.kwiat@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:38:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7DB305EDB2D6657037E0D5D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 >> 6.2-Release. I only have updated the kernel so far. >=20 > my question was what version of base system you have in /bin, /sbin, > /lib etc. Check the Subject line :) Cheers, Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP 0x06E09309 --------------enig7DB305EDB2D6657037E0D5D1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9VfsezeoPAwGIYsRCGhYAKCG17pru7JfJhESOS87fa71xHheJgCgiukV 6p6l9GsqrYECckGopWqz5lI= =m6z5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7DB305EDB2D6657037E0D5D1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:39:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0D716A408 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A5813C487 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q50so895807wrq for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.106.7 with SMTP id i7mr1518673wam.1173706775631; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25sm7821663wra.2007.03.12.06.39.34; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:39:33 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: FreeBSD Question Message-ID: <20070312093933.44447351@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070312141359.L64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> <20070312110943.E43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312062419.64896959@localhost> <20070312132401.T58112@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312084623.34143e10@localhost> <20070312141359.L64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> Organization: Seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:37 -0000 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > Check out this URL for starters: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html > > A "desktop environment" can mean anything ranging from a simple > window manager to a complete suite of desktop applications, such as > KDE or GNOME. > > > "can mean" is very far from definition. > > further reading shows that desktop is "where data and applications > can be placed". > > i always though that data and application are on disk. > > still no definition of desktop, but looks like desktop=ability to > display icon symbols of files and programs (which are files too) and > ability to provide "panel" for starting programs and doing some other > maintenance. > > > do i say right? Every time I reply to one of your posts, you reply directly back to me. That is incorrect. You should be directing your reply back to the FreeBSD mail forum. Others might be in a position to assist you if they viewed your post. -- Gerard /) ,-^ ^-. // / \ .-------| |--------------/ __ __ \-------------------.__ |WMWMWMW| |>>>>>>>>>>>>> | />>\ />>\ |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:> `-------| |--------------| \__/ \__/ |-------------------'^^ \\ \ /|\ / \) \ \_/ / | | |+H+H+H+| \ / ^-----^ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:39:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4745F16A46B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C116E13C455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CDd3e1049253 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:39:44 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 13:39:44 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> <1173646778.3731.2.camel@localhost> <8a0028260703111458w11f31b71se2a3134d18e624a8@mail.gmail.com> <1173664836.3731.26.camel@localhost> <20070312084603.C26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:39:43 -0300 Message-Id: <1173706783.1260.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Old things do work. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:46 -0000 As I said some emails ago.... I have a 200 machines all freebsd network that runs 24/7 with a mtbf of 15 years... how I got the numbers? well I have an "issue" every 3 or 4 weeks... (the machine hangs, stops, the power supply explodes....) the machines are aways on... if you count 200 machines and one machine crashes once every 200 days, I will have a 200 day running time on each machine... well I have almost once a month problem... that is 30 times 200 days -> 6000 days for each machine... the machines have now 3 to 5 years old... Now I am replacing the machines for AMD64 with mainboard ECS that proved the more reliable hardware... (asus k8v is also a good choice) (gateway is bad...) 98% of the machines are AMD, some are cyrix It continues to run even with the cpu cooler stopped by dust (yes!!! some machines are in rural areas, gas stations and have no way to offer maitenance) and I have not seen them for years... but sometimes the machines emails me.. (when they finally get dial up connection... and have some issue like: no space, no swap...) it is like sending them to mars... You can see some pictures of the running system on FreeBSD + gnome + windowmaker... at http://www.k1.com.br/images/sistemas these are old pictures, but you can have an idea. the new versions have more enhancements.... It is all coded in FreeBSD with python + gtk + postgres... and runs in windows too... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:40:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D898C16A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABDE13C469 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id BA039381DB; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E05038245; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (81-231-90-251-no41.tbcn.telia.com [81.231.90.251]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5E437E55; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F557DE.2080704@passagen.se> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:38:38 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> <20070312110850.A43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54936.3050200@passagen.se> <20070312140756.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070312140756.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:40:55 -0000 Hello Wojciech, May I suggest that you redirect these questions to the Xming forum? The link to the forum is at -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming. Wojciech Puchar skrev: > the one i was looking for very long! > > as i don't have windoze anywhere close now could you tell me if: > > 1) this X server can use font server or Xorg format fontsets (.pcf.gz or > .pcf) > > 2) does it work with xdm on server (just for sure, as naturally it should) > > 3) what keybinding will be blocked because it's used by windows alone? > can it be used "fullscreen" with just one or two key combinations > reserved to minimizing/iconizing it's display in windows. > > > i tried cygwin's X server (mostly doesn't work) some time ago. i tried > others, and only vnc works but it's not X server/client but bitmap > differentiation. and vnc X server wasn't able to accept -fp right. at > least when i tried. no polish fonts etc... > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:47:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735D816A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from omr1.networksolutionsemail.com (omr1.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A19313C457 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr1.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.64]) by omr1.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2CDlSeb013659 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:47:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 27736 invoked by uid 78); 12 Mar 2007 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail7) (205.178.146.50) by ns-omr1.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2007 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (idmc_vivr@intgdev.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail7 (EdgeDesk 4.04) with WEBMAIL id 17184; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:47:27 +0000 From: "V.I.Victor" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft EdgeDesk, Build 4.03.0105 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:47:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Post DST changes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:47:29 -0000 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Mike Tancsa wrote: > I am seeing some inconsistent and strange results after the DST change this > weekend. On all the boxes, it seems setup OK > ... > yet different behaviour. Any idea whats up ? This is the same thing I asked about yesterday (Daylight Savings Time -- /etc/localtime and what else?) w/o responses >From what I could tell, virtually every process needed a restart. sshd, cron, sendmail, et al were running an hour off. I guess they have a "time ref" based on their original start-up. After I restarted them all, I ended up doing a reboot anyway -- I wasn't sure if everything had been "caught" and I didn't want a Monday morning surprise. Today -- all seems OK. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:50:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D9516A404 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B2513C45E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CDkwCJ048563; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:46:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2CDkw7n048562; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:46:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:46:58 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Andy Kendall Message-ID: <20070312134658.GB48412@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:50:08 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 08:12:54PM -0000, Andy Kendall wrote: > As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in detail, > (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for a lot > of help. > > In my opinion it relies on far too high a plateau of knowledge by it's > readers to be of initial use. > > Am I really that thick or does anyone else feel this way? > > Do the email list respondents find themselves answering the same questions > over and over? > > Is there some way I can help to upgrade the manual entries with the detail I > find necessary to get things working and understand how they work, thereby > hopefully benefiting following newbs? You are welcome to submit improvements to the handbook or man pages. The procedure is well documented on the web page. > > Is there a FreeBSD for dummies? Probably a combination of the FAQ and numerous web pages with howto lists that are out there in web-land make up the FreeBSd for dummies. I don't know of any specific publshed book of that nature, but there are several good ones that might be called FreeBSD for smart people. ////jerry > > > > Thanks > > > > Andy (very frustrated) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 13:55:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A0816A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668AF13C45E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1667115ika for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:55:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=seeb7zlAsEp5yjBQ0n6F0PtoZibocJvdjomtu9iyypVrVruW9XX5NCvc044dU/uQkhUXpJ9bmOb3KdhqmZPd6jVN//JzBHRxAOcOyi7P+QoCkqCfFQXsTYFUlT45/1Ge6ZO4fWfsGG4YYbTLT9nitdJiw+qfJz6xvBtMmJLmymM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kRFZkMfRvJUv+ZnAh6qbjjWMxnGe3Be8VARvpKieMJT/7T1oX4xEU9vhxuNjRcCmFGa35Er+oWsZAknFhQ3WysIbPFKkMKOt99b3MrU6CxGjckqM5HIwuS0GAScpfPMSLPeXbCguMkgNaUdXoR0B3KnAZYBCJ85Jdv6BBIXgB6I= Received: by 10.70.100.14 with SMTP id x14mr10588748wxb.1173707745278; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.15 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14989d6e0703120655w3bf8257bvd266938a6e9b866@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:55:45 +0100 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070312141815.H64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> <45F478DE.1020702@computer.org> <20070311233953.C64103@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F4CEE5.7040005@computer.org> <20070312084742.Q26610@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54C91.4030309@computer.org> <14989d6e0703120605o4a67b370v3e252865dfb76aaa@mail.gmail.com> <20070312141815.H64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:47 -0000 On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task. > > ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you > > describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts > > i am always open for making my workplace more productive and easier to > use. so i will have a try of E17 and ion3, while second looks like more > designed to my needs. > > i tried ratpoison but i was unable to do single-key switching to other > desktops and manage well subwindows in some apps like gimp, which always > needs multiple windows on one desktop. > ion3 defaults configuration is a very basic one, so it might not look that promising on the first glimpse. But since everything is configurable, you can have your own shortcuts. IMO defining the right short cuts is the hardest part, because chances are high that the WMs shortcuts conflict with an application. I finally split Ctrl_R and Meta_R from their original keys, binding them to Mod3 and Mod4 (both where available on my machine). I can send you my config if you like. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:01:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED6616A406 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loganalysis-bounces+freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@lists.shmoo.com) Received: from mail.iocaine.com (mail.iocaine.com [207.115.69.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C9613C459 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loganalysis-bounces+freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@lists.shmoo.com) Received: from threebit.vilos.com (threebit.vilos.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.iocaine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8B3BC4B2 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: loganalysis-bounces@lists.shmoo.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:41 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: loganalysis@lists.shmoo.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6b1 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: loganalysis-bounces+freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@lists.shmoo.com Errors-To: loganalysis-bounces+freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@lists.shmoo.com Subject: Your message to LogAnalysis awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:34 -0000 Your mail to 'LogAnalysis' with the subject Fwd: image.jpg Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/confirm/loganalysis/28c0892d25b6bb852cfafce9432c58e9a5c17354 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:19:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BB116A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tournoij@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAA313C43E for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:19:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tournoij@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (xs2.xs4all.nl [194.109.21.3]) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2CEJBFs011287; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tournoij@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (tournoij@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CEJB5Q030135; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tournoij@xs4all.nl) Received: (from tournoij@localhost) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2CEJAml030131; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tournoij) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:10 +0100 From: Martin Tournoij To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070312141910.GA27605@xs2.xs4all.nl> References: <45F541F3.5040309@planet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45F541F3.5040309@planet.nl> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: hxc@planet.nl Subject: Re: No matter what I try I can't get Nvidia 3d acceleration to work. Please help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:19:13 -0000 hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled means that the nvidia AGP driver isn't working, not that 3d acceleration isn't working. If you want to use the nvidia agp driver, then you should compile a kernel without device agp. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html On Mon 12 Mar 2007 13:03, hxc@planet.nl wrote: > Running glxinfo as user works: > > $ glxinfo | fgrep direct > direct rendering: Yes > > 3d acceleration still isn't working though :-( : > $ sysctl hw.nvidia.agp.status > hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled > hw.nvidia.agp.status.driver: n/a (unused) > hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate: n/a (disabled) > hw.nvidia.agp.status.fw: n/a (disabled) > hw.nvidia.agp.status.sba: n/a (disabled) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Travel important today; Internal Revenue men arrive tomorrow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:29:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0687316A403 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de) Received: from titan.ze.tum.de (titan.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E13A13C45B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (etustar.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.96]) by titan.ze.tum.de (8.13.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2CEJFiR064253; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etustar.ze.tum.de (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2CEJFRH002251; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de) Received: (from estartu@localhost) by etustar.ze.tum.de (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l2CEJFdM002250; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:19:15 +0100 From: Gerhard Schmidt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070312141915.GA1842@augusta.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: nss_ldap and openldap on the same server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:29:23 -0000 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 I have a small problem. On my central server we run an openldap server that= =20 contains the userdata for some systems. An the server uses this ldap=20 server for authentication and nss. The problem is that when the server is= =20 booting slapd takes a very long time to start up. I think it's trying to get an answer from ldap for the user ldap. But user ldap is in /etc/passwd= =20 and in /etc/groups My nsswitch.conf looks like this.=20 group: files ldap hosts: files dns networks: files passwd: files ldap shells: files The system comes up but takes very long to do so (i think it's somekind of timeout)=20 Mar 12 14:58:23 phobos slapd[584]: nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server -= Server is unavailable As I see it, nss asks all sources even if the frist one allready knows the answer. Is there a way to change this.=20 Bye Estartu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerhard Schmidt | Nick : estartu IRC : Estartu | Fischbachweg 3 | | PGP Public Key 86856 Hiltenfingen | EMail: estartu@augusta.de | on request=20 Germany | | =20 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBRfVhYwzx22nOTJQRAQI9BgP+OdZFMYH8Aa+FfqyKhPSndSCHg1zQfaM9 9a2q0WiyXcJwQpsPDN27g63zw6MVITw+BKfZI0l6cVsMwQXmnFq9M1nvA616VFxn CG0mkbkLw0jSG0esEqpaEM0GSEzHzGfKKDkm63U82DacEGeQhrBUeGFJVJnDJhyS 7xtPQ7wSv4E= =vbWk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:40:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0C416A410 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hxc@planet.nl) Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl (psmtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.247.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1358013C4BD for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hxc@planet.nl) Received: from [192.168.0.141] ([80.60.30.253]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JES00F36ORQSD@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:40:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:40:37 +0100 From: hxc@planet.nl In-reply-to: <20070312141910.GA27605@xs2.xs4all.nl> To: Martin Tournoij Message-id: <45F56665.7060006@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070303) References: <45F541F3.5040309@planet.nl> <20070312141910.GA27605@xs2.xs4all.nl> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No matter what I try I can't get Nvidia 3d acceleration to work. Please help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:40 -0000 Martin Tournoij wrote: > hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled means that the nvidia AGP > driver isn't working, not that 3d acceleration isn't working. > > If you want to use the nvidia agp driver, then you should compile a > kernel without device agp. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html > > > Is this really true? Who can confirm this? I also wonder why glxgears in FreeBSD gives me 5000 fps, while in Linux gives me 13000. To get 5000 fps in Linux I need to disable 3d support :-\ . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:43:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC54016A40D for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from msoulier@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6889313C480 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from msoulier@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1316508ana for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=Qm6fD5LBFYMOZRL8QjlJn1eC6xXm9eHMoXjj4jBfcrIQ8KLoWFO9uv2x7oqTBrKIbvoXmTNgCcJ0HmeJT/vY1iMzGK8nA4Tr1+clmcantOcak/pTgJs45B71JYcfP0/mMMI4wiKROFE+CyDPxDb6aDBbI6Vhwy0W6VV7obwAVSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=njoLq0fzLPLpFSlb2P7umTqENUQg/TEpsm2ANkNHDxyd5fP90tE80JgBL53901NSzMg+m8NoRvIQabZDayzjwgJGHYk0IYNRHxGXHr1Wm4gRE5ndiHluc68zj/zNE3orrBzbdsIN1ZGBIaX1wbH9g8lBTglhMnF25Jx5BoXJSHo= Received: by 10.114.12.9 with SMTP id 9mr1590787wal.1173708887745; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.32.17 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:14:47 -0500 From: "Michael P. Soulier" Sender: msoulier@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 80efcd270e394150 Subject: rebuilding world X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:43:30 -0000 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html This document says that after the "make installkernel", you reboot in single user mode, and then run "mergemaster -p". This gives me errors about a read-only filesystem. Can't create /var/tmp/temproot. Do the instructions need updating? Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... 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A Mercury Interactive Partner Company Email 1 : solanki@issinc-usa.com Email 2 : myvendor@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FDA16A402 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BD713C4B7 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1601739wxc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KpktfVQV8Viw02N8V2ocVAEa1MjLuyHGBNE0re/fA+SZoi8Enb4aQJ4llodjUylYZCSA9Txj29VQM7dDK4kUgjs7L4lIJglcg7vrS5INvKBdtBxgTw+5zXhZWDRwC8peSmAeYnVn33t5CE0/G89DjSvgfq+Vzf9ZXiZTKv3CFAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qCGxHEc/6YlhBYMeT2BizvWiPLVnzNhZHU8pXTYP1EpxXc9D6+H2qFXHrDwTj2uRpdzS51gK3kKJyBksFPaU8IOqEB9FkvsxDfdyvV0SV01avuvq+SnxxIOyrqAU9gILgKDj6yTsUSm+r8KyBQsZNbjKnUDK+gyS4LbRDtdRgY0= Received: by 10.70.65.8 with SMTP id n8mr10768149wxa.1173711382788; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.13 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:56:22 +1100 From: Sunnz To: karol.kwiat@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <45F557E4.1040708@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070312140656.T64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070312142222.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F557E4.1040708@gmail.com> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable kernel and release 6.2 base system. Do they need to be in sync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:56:23 -0000 Lol. Yes, all I have done is installing FBSD6.2-Release from a CD, then rebuilt the kernel using 6-stable sources. 2007/3/13, Karol Kwiatkowski : > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >> 6.2-Release. I only have updated the kernel so far. > > > > my question was what version of base system you have in /bin, /sbin, > > /lib etc. > > Check the Subject line :) > > Cheers, > > Karol > > -- > Karol Kwiatkowski > OpenPGP 0x06E09309 > > > -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:58:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B74B16A410 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dima.sorkin@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1CB13C4AD for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dima.sorkin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1322056ana for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:58:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IPwbuw8ST7vcjabpf8cumXxA1K07Au3JblOh7t5cKCJ0s2IKXEnHxYsqcZVHcA19TL8KWveKhIRk9HwL1aSFokzKCtOCzYD2SZeXvV85oD30mmYlkCjgn4OM5zOMRaieQ7Y8rjxNNfznsBIWKwbiG0RiOnrXp9MIdbacpTqZ5qc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=S4aTHCqzkm9aj0p/sQd1hWLIlpGNvgzqS8epAqPgyWfCbMUzR1CHLdVYsmrmXRTbP51Gyu7XVPuftV+bFDJsqiARFJBiLjfUAM08bKskbw9vgNzxtBm7YjmnfGLzcz3RpjeCKCMbhDYscRza36oHRCJDwW98el6UTP74cBRG7PQ= Received: by 10.114.79.1 with SMTP id c1mr1633213wab.1173711503282; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.190.15 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:58:22 +0200 From: "Dima Sorkin" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: diskonkey X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:58:24 -0000 Hi. By what device name should I mount the flash memory disk ("disk-on-key"). On linux it was /dev/sdb0, what is it's name on FreeBSD ? Thanks, Dima. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 14:58:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724B916A40F for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14BA13C468 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2CEwXOg077979; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:58:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2CEwWTO077976; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:58:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:58:32 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Roger Olofsson In-Reply-To: <45F557DE.2080704@passagen.se> Message-ID: <20070312155807.X77391@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F46BAD.6030307@passagen.se> <20070312110850.A43617@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F54936.3050200@passagen.se> <20070312140756.X64603@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F557DE.2080704@passagen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0000 sorry for accidentally posting this publicly not just privately and polluting list > Hello Wojciech, > > May I suggest that you redirect these questions to the Xming forum? The link > to the forum is at -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming. > . . . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 12 15:17:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C8616A401 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeremy.gransden@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F3E13C45B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeremy.gransden@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so2165772ugh for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GnTA1dnLcqDPx9kD7ZnVpYTZrlMxq0F7Ry2HojCy9ydqjBkDwMMIwaCkupVrzTH5olDLCL+sl44F/8fgZ6e1mEF6K8g/xAhz/yHGUBCCh2fGy2teX129fDDlY+VHfrcsEF/y9vxOFhYpWVpHFQf3sJbylNIz3SV+i23aABQBZ0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LKnqL1oaU0Kc8Pl4AurterU8UEUGAB4cT+91IuD+dIxCP+OFpLDI9cEjupckC+PrDCsxksz6b8OckyPrNHEcHlg8sAFsN3KPXYGRtWt3sD23aiv7ndLw2Pap+NznLSb0JyZvOs3p3Kyc3ZrZLpKfTw+odoH8M1NFjdIMHjxNNnM= Received: by 10.70.90.12 with SMTP id n12mr10774734wxb.1173712624341; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.142.13 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <87f7f4170703120817y5bf532cwe067efbf9c831ff5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:17:04 -0400 From: "Jeremy Gransden" To: "Dima Sorkin" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: diskonkey X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:17:10 -0000 On 3/12/07, Dima Sorkin wrote: > > Hi. > By what device name should I mount > the flash memory disk ("disk-on-key"). > > On linux it was /dev/sdb0, what is it's name on FreeBSD ? > > Thanks, > Dima. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > What does dmesg call it after you insert it? 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