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Date:      Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:44:54 -0700
From:      Sam Leffler <sam@freebsd.org>
To:        "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        ed@80386.nl, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Reminder: non-mpsafetty drivers to be *dis*connected on Sunday
Message-ID:  <4895EE96.9070404@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <20080803.113253.-532680110.imp@bsdimp.com>
References:  <64491.1217595198@critter.freebsd.dk>	<20080801132624.GG1359@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org>	<20080801134435.GQ99951@hoeg.nl> <20080803.113253.-532680110.imp@bsdimp.com>

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M. Warner Losh wrote:
> In message: <20080801134435.GQ99951@hoeg.nl>
>             Ed Schouten <ed@80386.nl> writes:
> : Maybe I'm replying to too many messages at the same time, but as John
> : said, it's a lot easier making the remaining drivers work after the code
> : has been integrated. It's not like we're permanently carving things into
> : stone - we've almost got a full year to get it all working again.
> 
> We've heard this promise before.  It rarely has resulted in the
> promised work.  I don't think this is the right way forward.

I'll point out that my vap work languished for almost 3 years waiting 
for help to convert drivers.  That help never really came; people did 
pitch in towards the end (not to belittle the help I received) but in 
the end it took sponsorship to see it into the tree.  Even now there are 
drivers that are unfinished (ipw comes to mind) and much work still remains.

I am solidly behind Ed and believe his plan is the correct one.

	Sam



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