From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 02:22:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D310135 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 02:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0237E2919 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 02:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6R2MB2x016691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6R2MAng016688; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:22:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "Littlefield, Tyler" Subject: Re: affordable NAS In-Reply-To: <53D3F606.2090308@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: References: <53D3F606.2090308@tysdomain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 02:22:14 -0000 On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Hello all: > I was looking at the NAS minis, and while they look amazing they're also way > expensive. I was interested to see if someone has a good solution for a cheap > small NAS system that I could either build or purchase that wouldn't cost > nearly as much. I'm looking for freebsd-compatible hardware with at least a > gigabit ethernet card. I'll be dropping in the harddrives, I'm thinking raid > 10 (though it doesn't have to be--I just wanted the striping for a larger > disk space plus redundancy via mirror), with maybe 4 2 tb drives. I'd suggest RAIDZ2 so it doesn't matter which drives fail, and 3TB drives are currently not much more than 2TB. But either way will work. As far as hardware, I like the Gigabyte end-user class motherboards. Specifically, I've recently used a H87-D3H motherboard with a low-power Pentium G3420 from the Haswell line. Although that one was not for a NAS, it would work well. It has six SATA ports. Instead of a mediocre Realtek Ethernet, it has an Intel i217V. Console video is fine, no idea whether it will work with the current FreeBSD intel driver for X (fancier Haswells are not yet supported). Although that should not matter for a NAS anyway. If you want ECC memory, the Supermicro motherboards are popular. Depending on the price range, you could also use an existing computer that has at least 8G of RAM and enough SATA ports. Remember to allow for extra drive ports for a separate operating system drive or mirror, if desired. The FreeNAS forum has a general hardware recommendation thread: http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations > I'll be using stock FreeBSD on this: I have no clue how accessible the > FreeNAS web frontend or any of the other software would be for something like > this with a screen reader. Any thoughts/ideas would be awesome. I tried FreeNAS, but ended up using plain FreeBSD. The commands are more familiar to me, and it was quicker than learning the web interface. It also gives a full FreeBSD instead of the stripped-down version used for FreeNAS. Accessing a NAS machine through SSH should allow your current screen-reading setup to work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 03:14:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C80497E2 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f41.google.com (mail-qg0-f41.google.com [209.85.192.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86F952D42 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id q107so6849757qgd.0 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=bPW6CWSicIaL7kJMrg4zpUXyatJiJ46hQKt4s/eTkRg=; b=cEtF9+1ayGl/T+fI+ibfwPWZyIacD5oIrKuE24T1K5snrSecbIWtVL2urwd2W+vTuI bROkKwI1p3otjTMqf568Xoz5lcXex1JUYd6rbxBFZ0xnOhR4PVxZ5tDOPqS/QtbqsxfL G2oOrzFuAFWQoAVZrxqeduuy3NmZoEIHrjAwgXzHB3JIcXu4jGH67t9mXr+ZKpDhb2+U qz1s6+ux7wEqRawcxrcT5YUp+cKdyAnDip+POIVHqq9f548yCpJ3H2dh7DdwMwpSlO0x eroVUIUf4GiL1XSWAw2iANsbwuNeEX1weq7pZULMdE7xlrpoTYCEb4zxkL/zumutGHB2 4vFg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkRlQ5M2q6e2BpAtFXRLKSZND6soS6j13DkOJu1EXWE4uHyM6vHcjqmzMdfnOXJVcsDbJf3 X-Received: by 10.140.49.201 with SMTP id q67mr29009227qga.7.1406430873899; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k6sm17164394qge.2.2014.07.26.20.14.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: affordable NAS From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <53D3F606.2090308@tysdomain.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:14:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <083A50D8-74E5-4D81-AA58-D0AF5219D0AF@kraus-haus.org> References: <53D3F606.2090308@tysdomain.com> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:14:41 -0000 On Jul 26, 2014, at 14:40, Littlefield, Tyler = wrote: > I was looking at the NAS minis, and while they look amazing they're = also way expensive. I was interested to see if someone has a good = solution for a cheap small NAS system that I could either build or = purchase that wouldn't cost nearly as much. I'm looking for = freebsd-compatible hardware with at least a gigabit ethernet card. I have been running 9.2 on an HP Proliant Micro Server N36L (the = original not the Gen 8) ever since 9.2 came out with 8GB RAM. I am = currently building it=92s replacement, a Micro Proliant N54L with 16GB = RAM and FreeBSD 10. > I'll be dropping in the harddrives, I'm thinking raid 10 (though it = doesn't have to be--I just wanted the striping for a larger disk space = plus redundancy via mirror), with maybe 4 2 tb drives. My current disk layout is: 2 drives for OS (mirrored with ZFS): originally 250GB, now 500GB as the = Seagate 250GB drives died. 6 drives for Data, all 1 TB, configured as a 5 disk RAIDz2 and 1 hot = spare. 3 of the Data drives are internal, 1 of the OS drives is internal 2 of the data drives, the data hot spare, the second OS drive are in an = external StarTech 4 drive enclosure connected via a Marvell chipset = eSATA card The problem with the above is that the external enclose puts those 4 = drive behind a port expander / multiplier and those are know causes of = trouble. I have twice had a single drive in the enclosure fail and take = all four drives offline with it. My new server has: 16GB RAM In the Optical bay a 4 x 2.5=94 adapter A 4 port Marvell based SATA card (2 internal, 2 external) 2 of the 2.5=94 bays are contacted to the internal ports on the Marvell = card 2 120GB SSD in the 2.5=94 bays for: 4GB swap (gpt partitions handed to the OS) 16GB OS (ZFS mirror) 24GB for future ZFS L2ARC=20 24GB for future ZFS ZIL (mirrored) The SSD is underutilized on purpose to (hopefully) improve life, they = are Kingston V300 series because I got them on sale :-) The layout of the data drives remains the same but I have an external = chassis that is just a power supply and SATA cables. 4 of the data = drives will go in the internal 3.5=94 bays, the other two in the = external exclosure and attached to the 2 external eSATA ports. So one = drive per SATA port. I plan to add a second Marvell based 4 port SATA card, two for the other = two 2.5=94 bays and two more eSATA ports for future expansion. I have stayed with 1TB drives for data because I want to keep my = resilver times relatively short to reduce my chance of a double failure = at once.=20 My old hardware is being repurposed as my backup server with 4 x 2TB = drive internal. OS will be a 4 way mirror across them occupying 16GB = (plus another 2GB per drive for swap) with try remainder of the drives = in a RAIDz2. I=92ll be using zfs snapshots and then zfs send /recv to = synchronize the backup system. Since it is for backups, I am less = concerned with resilver times when a failure occurs. Also note that = since all the data on it will be from a zfs stream, resilver times = *should* be much shorter than the production system where there are = random writes join on all the time. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 11:53:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8907433E for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AF03246A for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m1so7512760oag.35 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 04:53:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ytm4U1+gw1sr+vtPADfKb2JBTuK0+8GgcetTCzbXXGA=; b=TEHvhEPJhdka7p8p5DAFrtHmC7Rg09/hfoE6941OdOM52OHGnn2MqDDVoFHa2AAoFw U5FEGuEdQjcTjGY1RKx8SCpf4Rm6eKBYxsxSWrISWCYqhCQkZT2EWCV+Y/WafJ4UHh75 5DVv0hf5m+COCNAv/EhHYmlaVQBRuEeV86duZbnkh5XPZmm5aIRFKFPMI236oPnLhA3e s5hKeE/EMzkb0tHWfKWLaPpCT9BEzH3qPKi8ZRtkxSyKBzn7mOxv1XWEs3TbpcxlzrkJ Qjo0A6ZuIksusn+57iKp2VExo9X2pnsE69tBwp2o7306K6qfjwhJblOBoF0Mx/qBCL6W c+5A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkClN8/vo8AuWYm3/mj3MwIOhVZBJ+NpHDYag8juzz1kthnP2dM1bdK8ic4O5eBRPRmJMmI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.140.234 with SMTP id rj10mr38868327oeb.6.1406458316354; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.40.137 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:44b8:31b0:aa00:be5f:f4ff:fe4a:cae2] Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:51:56 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: portversion doesn't seem to know what's out of date From: Jason Birch To: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:53:36 -0000 I built FreeBSD for my Beaglebone Black a couple of weeks ago, and went to do an update just then. After updating /usr/ports, I ran `portversion | grep \<` to see a list of what could be updated. Knowing that this takes a bit longer and needing to run out the door, I also type `portupgrade -aF` afterwards, to fetch anything that might need upgrading. When I returned, I found that portversion seemed to think everything was up to date, but `portupgrade -aF` had found and downloaded upgrades to ruby, pkg, Net-SSLeay, gnutls, and emacs-nox11. Checking the verbose output of portversion, I saw that portversion seemed to think the out-of-date version was up to date with the port... root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # portsnap fetch Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Thu Jul 10 04:42:24 UTC 2014 to Sun Jul 27 05:09:26 UTC 2014. .... Fetching 63 new ports or files... done. root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # portsnap update Removing old files and directories... done. Extracting new files: /usr/ports/CHANGES .... /usr/ports/editors/emacs-nox11/ .... /usr/ports/lang/ruby19/ .... /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg/ .... /usr/ports/security/gnutls/ .... /usr/ports/security/p5-Net-SSLeay/ .... root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # portversion | grep \< [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 63 packages found - done] root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # portupgrade -aF [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 63 packages found - done] ---> Fetching the distfile(s) for 'ruby-1.9.3.547,1' (lang/ruby19) .... ---> Fetching the distfile(s) for 'pkg-1.3.1' (ports-mgmt/pkg) .... ---> Fetching the distfile(s) for 'p5-Net-SSLeay-1.65' (security/p5-Net-SSLeay) .... ---> Fetching the distfile(s) for 'gnutls-3.2.16_1' (security/gnutls) .... ---> Fetching the distfile(s) for 'emacs-nox11-24.3_11,3' (editors/emacs-nox11) .... root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # portversion -v [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 63 packages found - done] .... emacs-nox11-24.3_10,3 = up-to-date with port .... gnutls-2.12.23_6 = up-to-date with port .... p5-Net-SSLeay-1.64 = up-to-date with port .... pkg-1.2.7_4 = up-to-date with port .... ruby-1.9.3.484_2,1 = up-to-date with port .... root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # uname -a FreeBSD beaglebone 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r268309: Sun Jul 6 22:13:49 EST 2014 jbirch@267801:/usr/home/jbirch/crochet-freebsd/work/obj/arm.armv6/usr/src/sys/BEAGLEBONE arm I'm trying to update just pkg for the moment to see if that helps the situation, but it seems to be stuck in some sort of configure loop when building from ports. I'll leave it for the night, as each loop seems to compile something different. pkg check is offering no hints as to if anything is awry -- it just looks like portversion is looking at something completely different, or not looking at anything at all. Has anyone seen this behaviour before, or can point me forward? JB From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 14:05:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AA35872 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03D2B2EFC for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from otaku.freeshell.org (IDENT:cwr@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.9]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6RE5cZ8021045 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:39 GMT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@faeroes.freeshell.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to set default browser without DE Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:49 -0000 Hi all, I'm running the 'cwm' window manager without a desktop environment. Firefox acts as my default browser; however, I'd like to switch to Chromium. I've searched DuckDuckGo and Google high and low, and I can't seem to figure out how I can set the default browser since I'm not using a desktop environment. The settings page in Chromium reports that it "cannot determine or set the default browser." I hope the answer is not painfully obvious, but I appreciate any assistance. Thanks, Charlie cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 14:27:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FB9BC4E for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0592520AF for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id XSSy1o004516WCc01SSzV1; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:26:59 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TaoYtHgh c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=_gelNhxkGRwA:10 a=q7qFsdcGiHYA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=_tjXruWMIvYW2hfNCVcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1XBPPd-0000vZ-W8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:26:58 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:26:57 +0100 Message-ID: <2500431.kfCSzT8dFo@curlew.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p17; KDE/4.12.5; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <53D41D5C.1010003@cyberleo.net> References: <1947386.pOQVzt1YdP@curlew.lan> <53D41D5C.1010003@cyberleo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: Backing up zfs system to external disk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:27:03 -0000 On Saturday 26 July 2014 16:27:56 CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > Set canmount=off or noauto on the backup datasets. Beware that this > property is not inherited, so you must explicitly set it on every > dataset for which you wish to avoid auto-mounting. I'd already thought of this but prefer not to do it. The backup script would need to search through all the datasets changing the canmount properties of all mountable filesystems. The backup pool would no longer be an exact copy of the working system and would need manual changes to be made before it could be used for recovery. I'm using multiple boot environments created with sysutils/beadm so there's already a lot of datasets with canmount=noauto. It wouldn't be a simple case of just resetting all "noauto"s back to "on". By keeping the backup pool as an exact clone of a system snapshot recovery will just be a case of using zfs send | zfs receive to copy everything from the backup pool to the system pool. In fact if the system disks were totally trashed I could even boot directly off the backup until replacement disks arrived. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 14:29:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7765DCE1 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABC620C2 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id XSRz1o001516WCc01SS0R5; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:26:00 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TaoYtHgh c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=_gelNhxkGRwA:10 a=q7qFsdcGiHYA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=UY1zap3WvK5RYwQuHFUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1XBPOg-0000vS-Ho for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:25:59 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:25:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1855317.BxjNgUaonN@curlew.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p17; KDE/4.12.5; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <1947386.pOQVzt1YdP@curlew.lan> References: <1947386.pOQVzt1YdP@curlew.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: Backing up zfs system to external disk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:29:09 -0000 On Saturday 26 July 2014 13:14:16 Mike Clarke wrote: > The script imports the backup pool with the -N option to avoid > mounting filesystems on top of the running system, updates the > backup pool to the latest snapshot with zfs send | zfs receive and > then exports the backup pool. > > This normally works fine except in the rare cases when the system > is shut down or crashes while the backup pool is still imported. > If this happens then problems arise on the next reboot because > filesystems will be mounted from both the system and backup pools > using identical mountpoints. After further study of the manpages and some experiments I now see the cause of my problem. I should have used "zpool import -N -o cachefile=none". This creates a temporary pool which is not cached so will not be available for mounting next time the system is booted. This now leads me to wonder why the -N option doesn't follow the design of "-R /some_mountpoint" and "-o altroot=/some_mountpoint", both of which default to set cachefile to none. Is there some subtle reason for the -N option not doing the same or is this a bug in the system? I can't imagine any situation where anyone would want to import a pool without mounting it and require it to be automatically mounted after rebooting. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 15:03:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68451668 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv189.fwdcdn.com (frv189.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 249DA23C5 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.2.23] (helo=frv198.fwdcdn.com) by frv189.fwdcdn.com with esmtp ID 1XBPiD-000GXP-Uy for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:46:09 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=ffe; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-Id:Cc:To:Subject:From:Date; bh=mYAGHFPQbN2S1N/XkZQ010SeQRv5XJjyaY4wYOgssc8=; b=ioLqbvEr0I3vmveSaN5FvcmifaQaHtvS8D3xcuH99qDoodOyGI8tqoktMr/rY2BlmqRwrLZXBpk6F5jBP7yPgR45cN9RQBofc9U5xWIEjlUzw/8utR1LEa1MX+kk2CuRJEjgSoKA9aUg2rMGR24MAPzenJZ7+c6zd5Fc0mJfl1s=; Received: from [10.10.10.35] (helo=frv35.fwdcdn.com) by frv198.fwdcdn.com with smtp ID 1XBPi3-000FpM-Ev for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:45:59 +0300 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:45:59 +0300 From: Vladislav Prodan Subject: Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions larger than 20Gb. To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: mail.ukr.net 5.0 Message-Id: <1406471619.238727352.o7o2ccyx@frv35.fwdcdn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from universite@ukr.net by frv35.fwdcdn.com; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:45:59 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Disposition: inline Cc: fs@freebsd.org, "net@freebsd.org net@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:03:22 -0000 Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions larger than 20Gb. I have 4 partitions with backup data. There are a lot of small pictures. NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT tank2 1,42T 1,32T 118M legacy ... tank2/ay-files 31,9G 1,32T 31,8G /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/ay/files tank2/XXXXXmarket-images 135G 1,32T 135G /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/XXXXXmarket/images tank2/XXXXXmarket-uploads 17,6G 1,32T 17,5G /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/XXXXXmarket/uploads tank2/YYYYmarket 24,4G 1,32T 152K /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/YYYYmarket tank2/YYYYmarket/uploads 24,4G 1,32T 24,2G /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/YYYYmarket/uploads ... Say me, please, how I can transfer it at another server with ZFS. Servers are connected through unmanaged 100M switch. Sending via (zfs send) and (ssh host2 zfs recv) ends with error after 20GB of data. Sending via rsync is very lasting and requires often restart of rsync. What an alternative? -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator support.od.ua From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 15:12:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 284DD8F1 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B57642490 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id f8so3168279wiw.0 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=umrMgJEtt9Tx1D1+5ywl+4fcTYqA/BSey/DauJm3qgg=; b=JQNW2xbVu+VLOwCbZoQJxCqrhhyNSNi0EXfZpSy4NbzlXd+th34k2XAevWpvSBIJV4 dhALazYJTQRGl05gjOQAilLJZzqMEhPkHag+aIQiyvM92zAy2STj9Cyz4jHgZwuLjXgj JrhHxTXDM9HcUeiJVgryw4Zraxx34WODwdVGuA8LWoO67uUHE1p9mzXqSpitWsad2srN BwEOrayxg5kNBb9dFptUTVMKrFLQkc8ieCmAHonlqms8x8jH66KaTdmtaKrjOCATZucl nzcK70PbJ6Jqam/fGgMBCl0atE1fpDDy6QZEiAoOSZ9nKMgCqPHS7GUDztdSkX9mug3O YDXA== X-Received: by 10.180.81.234 with SMTP id d10mr21945805wiy.79.1406473922674; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([94.195.197.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id de5sm20217571wib.18.2014.07.27.08.12.01 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:12:00 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portversion doesn't seem to know what's out of date Message-ID: <20140727161200.01eec19d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:12:06 -0000 On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:51:56 +1000 Jason Birch wrote: > I built FreeBSD for my Beaglebone Black a couple of weeks ago, and > went to do an update just then. After updating /usr/ports, I ran > `portversion | grep \<` to see a list of what could be updated. > Knowing that this takes a bit longer and needing to run out the door, > I also type `portupgrade -aF` afterwards, to fetch anything that > might need upgrading. > > When I returned, I found that portversion seemed to think everything > was up to date, but ... > > root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # portsnap fetch > ... > root@beaglebone:/usr/home/jbirch # uname -a > FreeBSD beaglebone 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r268309: > Sun Jul 6 22:13:49 EST 2014 > jbirch@267801:/usr/home/jbirch/crochet-freebsd/work/obj/arm.armv6/usr/src/sys/BEAGLEBONE > arm > > > Has anyone seen this behaviour before, or can point me forward? Try running portsdb -Fu. I don't think portsnap fetches an INDEX file for current. portupgrade -aF doesn't need to know about versions, so it's not affected. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 15:15:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2EAE9FE for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x230.google.com (mail-wg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ABA524AD for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id x13so6187900wgg.7 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6QW3q9jlptu3O3zLhEUQunBHU64THZr7IevR4zAWV4I=; b=o234XilpVAgXiqUTNA5ZvcUJz1kW38FoGXGcO+Ry4ufG+zdTShP/SpC9HwOlGmeGjk oUSy15aLkQkRRLqsvMbZXoBMbcwUKbuVaH6s91+ku73jKQRkWMna+htbJAyonNCSftol imFOwyrsB/F3DDhKauSa+Y3FGp79NdAdSG6kBAr2zqW+LD6L2Gd/4jcRjPrvS8de9t8j YRHdWh3L6guAhYxpLAy1Vy56pMfKUqUAnhtpHu9mFZDVJQqK1XZXU8PdBR4H1XwOsevJ DPI3Zz9AtImXEpMDhoaxWlfvLk+kFBS6IYTAWl0tNoFfa2NqzOoiVDvRxbsQw2V2jORT zB7Q== X-Received: by 10.180.79.202 with SMTP id l10mr21353882wix.18.1406474136008; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([94.195.197.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wu6sm42079622wjb.46.2014.07.27.08.15.35 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:15:34 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to set default browser without DE Message-ID: <20140727161534.33d81773@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:15:38 -0000 On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Charlie wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm running the 'cwm' window manager without a desktop environment. > Firefox acts as my default browser; however, I'd like to switch to > Chromium. > > I've searched DuckDuckGo and Google high and low, and I can't seem to > figure out how I can set the default browser since I'm not using a > desktop environment. What do you mean by default browser? The default for what? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 16:09:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E687A4D; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from denrei.darkbsd.org (denrei.darkbsd.org [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:f442::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16F12918; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from denrei.darkbsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by denrei.darkbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5351116CB; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:09:31 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=darkbsd.org; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; s=selector1; bh=9ziGo4FI2dwOOfTKymTjxF0m1YA=; b=A w0QwQEQN3103MLQL3ihknaG6teSBe6ANpkbT8EK5jULB5ly1llqyPesPzIsr4ZWV e4ym4MGJp+0/JOGOKslA5N1BltvNg5E4LiShoXHzmMucBk1RE6r4e9BnFTS3S+vF VJ3qGONh2qPQXHDga67iXJfN+n8lzpVnahhRx2mqWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=darkbsd.org; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; q=dns; s=selector1; b=giAu4V+82A77xxK9K4RfHNgPb0K eP0rbKkS96bfPxE5JFZ0Y+9JDp1m+jTByffk1296zdg4k+DUxgniyt5RvzPDpDMo M0YFLxQDU37NYqEkjb6KAJFoA63ZJZg0dgq6yTZ129f/62HuMZT24wPE8qEv6bEw 7qmJg3+sloMs/PgM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=darkbsd.org; h= content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:subject :mime-version:user-agent:from:from:date:date:message-id:received :received; s=selector1; t=1406477370; bh=bEB9sTfAWicvBsqpyA0Y7wl bRFvKr+brzF+iesPqNrM=; b=igDWQGHdIrm5ZlHpN8jiNqYKzEi44E3WP7wLAgt igJIHG7k100xz2zaU+rX5YXahZ/FW4gLzmntCwx77RZ4ghgzYDBss/fRQYeKAI2E iwyqBj5XZwz2jXYGiVsPXVFFZX5HT9OrLmsmht8UhQ8aMvC0crKihvf/qEMboJOM TgQQ= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at darkbsd.org Received: from denrei.darkbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by denrei.darkbsd.org (denrei.darkbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id nrSHC5BN46Nf; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:24:42d::42] (archer.yomi.darkbsd.org [IPv6:2001:470:24:42d::42]) (Authenticated sender: darksoul@darkbsd.org) by denrei.darkbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BED416CA; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:09:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53D52434.7030308@darkbsd.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:09:24 +0900 From: DarkSoul User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vladislav Prodan , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions larger than 20Gb. References: <1406471619.238727352.o7o2ccyx@frv35.fwdcdn.com> In-Reply-To: <1406471619.238727352.o7o2ccyx@frv35.fwdcdn.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5jXL8L7B7ukTrP2NGVQMs1IExhQWAeuPa" Cc: fs@freebsd.org, "net@freebsd.org net@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:09:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5jXL8L7B7ukTrP2NGVQMs1IExhQWAeuPa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/27/2014 11:45 PM, Vladislav Prodan wrote: > Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions large= r than 20Gb. > I have 4 partitions with backup data. There are a lot of small pictures= =2E > > NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT > tank2 1,42T 1,32T 118M legacy > ... > tank2/ay-files 31,9G 1,32T 31,8G /backup/beas= tie/upload_ftp/ay/files > tank2/XXXXXmarket-images 135G 1,32T 135G /backup/beas= tie/upload_ftp/XXXXXmarket/images > tank2/XXXXXmarket-uploads 17,6G 1,32T 17,5G /backup/beas= tie/upload_ftp/XXXXXmarket/uploads > tank2/YYYYmarket 24,4G 1,32T 152K /backup/beas= tie/upload_ftp/YYYYmarket > tank2/YYYYmarket/uploads 24,4G 1,32T 24,2G /backup/beas= tie/upload_ftp/YYYYmarket/uploads > ... > > Say me, please, how I can transfer it at another server with ZFS. > Servers are connected through unmanaged 100M switch. > Sending via (zfs send) and (ssh host2 zfs recv) ends with error after 2= 0GB of data. > Sending via rsync is very lasting and requires often restart of rsync. > > What an alternative? For the initial 20G upload, you could zfs send to a file, and transfer that file via rsync or other resumable file transfer system that ensures integrity : host1# zfs send tank2/XXXXXmarket-images@snapshot > tank2-XXXXXmarket-images@snapshot.zfs host1# rsync tank2-XXXXXmarket-images@snapshot.zfs host2: host2# cat tank2-XXXXXmarket-images@snapshot.zfs | zfs recv tank3 Then the rest can be done via small snapshots and plain zfs send | ssh host2 zfs recv. You could even add bzip2 compression and decompression at each endpoint. This is what I am doing to replicate data of often updated filesystems (mailbox filesystems, with LOTS of small files) between ZFS servers. Cheers, > --=20 > Stephane LAPIE, EPITA SRS, Promo 2005 > "Even when they have digital readouts, I can't understand them." > --MegaTokyo > > --=20 > Stephane LAPIE, EPITA SRS, Promo 2005 > "Even when they have digital readouts, I can't understand them." > --MegaTokyo --5jXL8L7B7ukTrP2NGVQMs1IExhQWAeuPa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlPVJDQACgkQDJ4OK7D3FWR20wEAlEwxKf4EqYiLuYSTLua3Pkdo vGLQncD91yq63gc2CSoA/3skYXgw/ADY6Fq77LHEHxBnSeWhJYfID6Kd/pPtWy9B =1/W9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5jXL8L7B7ukTrP2NGVQMs1IExhQWAeuPa-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 16:19:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B53FBEB0 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77CF429EC for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07B3D3CBE0; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:10:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6RGAMhQ002060; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:10:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:10:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Charlie Subject: Re: How to set default browser without DE Message-Id: <20140727181022.87496966.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:19:17 -0000 On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC), Charlie wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm running the 'cwm' window manager without a desktop environment. > Firefox acts as my default browser; however, I'd like to switch to > Chromium. I had the same problem here: Default was Firefox, but I wanted Opera. Many programs defaultet to Firefox even though I tried to change the default. I ended up renaming the binary. ;-) > I've searched DuckDuckGo and Google high and low, and I can't seem to > figure out how I can set the default browser since I'm not using a desktop > environment. There are basically two mechanisms involved. The first one is that some programs seem to query $BROWSER, for example to display their help pages (HTML). The second one is that they call xdg-open with the file name and have that program choose the required program to open the file depending on MIME type. You'll probably have to configure this part. By trying to do so, you're entering the realm of despair. As I have to admit, I didn't get this working as desired, so I went the way described above (renamed undesired browser binary). But maybe those pointers can help you: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xdg-open#Set_the_default_browser https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Default_applications If this does _not_ apply, you need to find out where the default browser is anchored within the cwm configuration, or _if_ it is related to cwm, or just handled somehow different. Good luck. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 18:08:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8DE9B6E; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay2-bcrtfl2.verio.net (relay2-bcrtfl2.verio.net [131.103.218.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92122388; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iad-wprd-xchw02.corp.verio.net (iad-wprd-xchw02.corp.verio.net [198.87.7.165]) by relay2-bcrtfl2.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAC11FF00E8; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IAD-WPRD-XCHB01.corp.verio.net ([198.87.7.137]) by iad-wprd-xchw02.corp.verio.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:41:45 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4913 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions larger than 20Gb. Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1406471619.238727352.o7o2ccyx@frv35.fwdcdn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions larger than 20Gb. thread-index: Ac+pq/ouBkZN3D0USAGHxOeJGDC1jQAFeDjQ References: <1406471619.238727352.o7o2ccyx@frv35.fwdcdn.com> From: "David DeSimone" To: "Vladislav Prodan" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2014 17:41:45.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[08ECA5F0:01CFA9C2] Cc: fs@freebsd.org, net@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:52 -0000 Mark Martinec just reported this problem a few days ago, and he found a = work-around. See the following: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2014-July/039347.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Vladislav Prodan Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:46 AM To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: fs@freebsd.org; net@freebsd.org net@freebsd.org Subject: Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers = ZFS-partitions larger than 20Gb. Say me, please, how I can transfer between servers ZFS-partitions larger = than 20Gb. I have 4 partitions with backup data. There are a lot of small pictures. NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT tank2 1,42T 1,32T 118M legacy ... tank2/ay-files 31,9G 1,32T 31,8G = /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/ay/files tank2/XXXXXmarket-images 135G 1,32T 135G = /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/XXXXXmarket/images tank2/XXXXXmarket-uploads 17,6G 1,32T 17,5G = /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/XXXXXmarket/uploads tank2/YYYYmarket 24,4G 1,32T 152K = /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/YYYYmarket tank2/YYYYmarket/uploads 24,4G 1,32T 24,2G = /backup/beastie/upload_ftp/YYYYmarket/uploads ... Say me, please, how I can transfer it at another server with ZFS. Servers are connected through unmanaged 100M switch. Sending via (zfs send) and (ssh host2 zfs recv) ends with error after = 20GB of data. Sending via rsync is very lasting and requires often restart of rsync. What an alternative? -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator support.od.ua _______________________________________________ freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" This email message is intended for the use of the person to whom it has = been sent, and may contain information that is confidential or legally = protected. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this = message in error, you are not authorized to copy, distribute, or = otherwise use this message or its attachments. Please notify the sender = immediately by return e-mail and permanently delete this message and any = attachments. Verio Inc. makes no warranty that this email is error or = virus free. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 21:12:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D82D0435 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD82290C for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498C33AD92 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: cpio and hard links Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:03:44 -0700 Message-ID: <13472.1406495024@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:12:29 -0000 Given a directory "tmp" which contains two files, "foo" and "bar", both of which are merely hard links to one another, the following command will, apparently, produce an archive of the directory in question which contains only a single instance of the actual file contents: tar cvf tmp.tar tmp The resulting tmp.tar file can later be unpacked, using tar, resulting in a directory structure which exactly mirrors the original "tmp" directory, including preservation of the hard link(s). I note however that, given the same original directory structure, the following command generates an archive file containing two complete instances of the file data: find tmp -depth -print | cpio -ovm > tmp.cpio For the the cpio program that is part of FreeBSD, is there any option which would have the effect of causing cpio to only archive a single instance of the data associated with each unique inode... as tar apparently does, by default? (If any such option exists, my hasty perusal of the relevant man page did not reveal it. My apologies if I simply missed it. In that case I shall certainly, happily, and humbly attempt to RTFM once again and more carefully.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 21:22:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C5D57C6 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3D3529CF for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15DCF3CBDD; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6RLMbeH003396; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:22:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:22:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: cpio and hard links Message-Id: <20140727232237.71735292.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <13472.1406495024@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <13472.1406495024@server1.tristatelogic.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:22:42 -0000 On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:03:44 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > For the the cpio program that is part of FreeBSD, is there any option > which would have the effect of causing cpio to only archive a single > instance of the data associated with each unique inode... as tar apparently > does, by default? >From reading "man cpio", I don't see that option mentioned. The only related option is -L, but it is to be used for symbolic links (and turns them into regular files). If you need this functionality, you'll probably be better off with tar, or you put tar archives into a cpio pipeline... Keep in mind not all archiving, compressing and transmission tools share the same amount of dedication toward the file system features (links, modes, user:group, permissions, attributes and so on). In case of cpio, I just think the requested feature simply is not part of what cpio can do (unlike tar, as you've correctly mentioned). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 05:19:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F59FFC0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F3B1CE2 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:19:29 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,746,1400043600"; d="scan'208";a="977408591" Received: from nlpiport22.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.109]) by nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2014 00:14:21 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhATAADb1VO9qp2K/2dsb2JhbABZgw5SV4J4rRUBAQEBBptKghqFLwGBExd3hAQBBSMyATMLGgIFEw4CAg8qHhmIRKZalmwXgSyEUIlXFoJjgVEFinGQWgGUTINpHS8 Received: from dsl-189-170-157-138-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena.maps.net) ([189.170.157.138]) by nlpiport22.prodigy.net.mx with SMTP; 28 Jul 2014 00:14:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:14:19 -0700 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem Message-ID: <20140727221419.35efb9b0@morena.maps.net> In-Reply-To: <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; i386-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:19:30 -0000 El Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Beeblebrox escribi=C3=B3: > Just an idea that I'd like to test if possible: >=20 > Is there a way to parse a cups/ppd/*ppd file for lpd? So, for example > /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf (or any "if" file) maybe I would change to >=20 > #!/bin/sh > sed/awk /usr/local/etc/cups/ppd/HP_LaserJet_2100.ppd >=20 > This is to test what is br=C4=B1ken in cups - the ppd (unlikely) or cups. >=20 > Regards. >=20 foomatic can process the PPD file martin@morena ~ > pkg info foomatic-filters foomatic-filters-4.0.17_1 Name : foomatic-filters Comment : Foomatic wrapper scripts Description : Filter scripts used by the printer spoolers to convert the incoming PostScript data into the printer's native format using a printer/driver specific, but spooler-independent PPD file. WWW: http://www.openprinting.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 05:57:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24C9E8EC for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nlpiport08.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport08.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60922064 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:57:46 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,746,1400043600"; d="scan'208";a="59890159" Received: from nlpiport23.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.97]) by nlpiport08.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2014 00:52:38 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYTAKXk1VO9qp2K/2dsb2JhbABZgw6BKbANAQEBAQadZIUmCQGBExd3hAQBBVYzCyETEg8qHhmIRL1LF4V8iVcWhDQFinGQWgGUTINpHS8 Received: from dsl-189-170-157-138-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena.maps.net) ([189.170.157.138]) by nlpiport23.prodigy.net.mx with SMTP; 28 Jul 2014 00:52:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:52:37 -0700 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh 'sleep' and trap? Message-ID: <20140727225237.6d17209f@morena.maps.net> In-Reply-To: <917611ACD1C0644B793C5B81@Mail-PC.tdx.co.uk> References: <917611ACD1C0644B793C5B81@Mail-PC.tdx.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; i386-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:57:47 -0000 El Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:31:22 +0100 Karl Pielorz escribi=F3: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > I have a script, similar to this: >=20 > " > #!/bin/sh >=20 > echo $$ >/var/run/mypid.pid > trap "rm /var/run/mypid.pid; exit 0" EXIT >=20 > while [ 1 ] > do >=20 > do_stuff > sleep 60 >=20 > done > " >=20 > This works - but an attempt to 'kill' it, e.g. >=20 > kill `head -1 /var/run/mypid.pid` >=20 > Takes up to 60 seconds, before 'sleep' completes, control returns > back to the shell - which see's the signal, and quits. >=20 > Is there a better way of doing this? - i.e. some way the shell can > 'pass time' but still receive signals in a timely manner? >=20 > The only work around I could come up with was to change the 'sleep > 60' into a loop that does 60 * 1 second sleeps, not ideal though :( >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > -Karl Try changing the signal from EXIT to TERM trap "rm /var/run/mypid.pid; exit 0" TERM Try/test the option trapsasync -T trapsasync When waiting for a child, execute traps immediately. If this option is not set, traps are executed after the child exits, as specified in IEEE Std 1003.2 (``POSIX.2''). This nonstandard option is useful for putting guarding shells around children that block signals. The surrounding shell may kill the child or it may just return control to the tty and leave the child alone, like this: sh -T -c "trap 'exit 1' 2 ; some-blocking-program" #!/bin/sh -T From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 07:44:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B62295 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 07:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x234.google.com (mail-ig0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A7862B21 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 07:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l13so3298412iga.1 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 00:44:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Pb2pYkTDJ0GfBgql9BpTkVAkWP8hbmovB9FVcWYz/tY=; b=TqfV3zYgiNcdmw7DYxL5fSr9MUb2MSaYLKQAi2GuyyeLagiv9sqAssHoTZ3Az22NE9 N2lgP53PnRnrTMSUrMeaz4Tm/CskY/m4rQbdSN7SfsNE5NB9LZLRxh4bAezGn84fOKo3 MuNiITb2Pk4KCQ2ny+Z9WEW4xjw/1nY7sOWgUT7tQs04Pc+5Faz+n9L48qniYz96268c 1l46ml3Xk+hGRrsd3T0LnPZYqcPvQxMJ1wo+1tBVcuKjh5TCzkoesqXFeIshbm0ihXJX fvf13KWtoQXOfz2kEPoCPIJ0sKI7My9HAuWKOWsCoj2M5HhRRYtdYXnKn6Ph53gTbXVd aDcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.229 with SMTP id f5mr29088935igo.42.1406533491925; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.77.65 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:44:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Using pkg-devel port From: Jamie Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 07:44:52 -0000 I would like to use pkg-devel on my FreeBSD 10 Stable system. The current version is 1.2.7_4. Do I need to remove that first and build the port or will building and installing the port automatically change the necessary components? When I ran the make install earlier I got a 'stop' stating WITH_PKGNG is not defined to 'devel', this version is the devel one. I don't have any pkg related variables set in /etc/make.conf currently so, should I define that one and possibly any others before trying again? Many thanks, Jamie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 08:09:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17A88D30 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22f.google.com (mail-ig0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEF512093 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f175.google.com with SMTP id uq10so3339120igb.2 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:09:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GXKyAlzQV4Bko1/phao/aZ0LF07n1Lcx1ubGuNK2Krw=; b=zMuayJqzN1mF0bpco453MqXxWmMvsJw85mk1vAqzf8Oaq+bNK7aCQzJ96j/KCv6h81 MUed6pbSKwf7n5FI0Zmm1+uycP1EBg1HDRAuHiXQLRyXn8abmKghKMVKT5Nzrgi5JWrp S+g3r8RU0i1mnPqo92oQaAx8SD+S3nkTV9R6DwlnPLPI/U8BITARU/fqNXn9NUql3sgu JqvPkBJ5fvONynzfzUfWvqq4HSu0hE+ZZlulS2SV4E0kRVKyIkGtIFghs8xMBX0/grWR nTLSvjbglHPjvPGnnsWf/kTw3Qv3ML2pcxYzPTtW+X6k+Q57ad+b2AZhyAk0Ji7Vaazb 2AlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.68.66 with SMTP id w2mr9080258ici.74.1406534966948; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.77.65 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Updating 800+ pkg's From: Jamie Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:09:28 -0000 I've waited for the new pkg version, 1.3+ so I can take advantage of it's ability to manage package conflicts etc. Currently, there are hundreds of packages to upgrade including the KDE desktop from version 4.10 to 4.12. I am not using using the WITH_NEW_XORG set of packages and my OS version is FreeBSD 10 Stable r267006. That will be upgraded to r269179 later today though. I would just like to know a little more about what to expect when I attempt to upgrade my packages, e.g. can pkg(8) cope well with this level of software upgrade, and should I expect loads of problems? Has anyone else been in this situation recently? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 10:00:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8089BBCB for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "PositiveSSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40B462D09 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (thetys.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.31]) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF53168AB10 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:57:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.70] (daedalus.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F274B168AB0E for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:57:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:00:41 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: FreeBSD 10 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on thetys.cloudzeeland.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:00:46 -0000 Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? thanks, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 10:03:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D9E8DDA for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x232.google.com (mail-ig0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EFBD2EA7 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id uq10so3421881igb.11 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6ASe0PvozBCTsvdTHrCToveXb6ZFTH5Y2EkUxyEzDQw=; b=WbYfoErGPRGJwX9XBb8o6JkCwd6Qhj9v4A6iN0fy1dck62F7VB3qNhUlQqURXiXVFe EldYSEkC57A5k2apeFbLppcQ5oW6uGtB/CHaRj/InZ0gjxXKtBBRA78PyqPEZFk9ttEe xwNwZuxYwnX7B/aNU06clTg7Pxyjm4UHxVi6QeTLuygtoHDJ82WZ1eoDeqqnRmi7ph/9 15fl0ByXr5IbxAwTTtW8Vo3es6MtBG691vYXoRCr05tBImA9Q/57TN1TTGB9h0bJlERf P4dNCVnLBr/9CqrUgvpOD1SIE5VTaHOBB5HejQO94LwpF2PijwGStTLNlIMaZzKDYmqv NPYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.98.68 with SMTP id cn4mr42665322icc.40.1406541781576; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.156.143 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:03:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:03:01 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dkGqxyC0BYX6vSlPg0O2DLkGDkU Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 From: Olivier Nicole To: Jos Chrispijn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:03:02 -0000 Jos, > Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial > environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? I use 9.3 RELENG. Olivier > > thanks, > Jos Chrispijn > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 11:22:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5E1C749 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87F7E2820 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6SBMQMA052604; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:22:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ABFAD1265F; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:22:25 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Jamie Griffin Subject: Re: Using pkg-devel port Message-ID: <20140728112225.GA43956@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Jamie Griffin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:22:35 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 08:44:51AM +0100, Jamie Griffin wrote: > I would like to use pkg-devel on my FreeBSD 10 Stable system. The current > version is 1.2.7_4. You should update your ports tree. Currently, pkg is version 1.3.2 and pkg-devel is 1.4.0.pre-alpha1. According to the latest commit of pkg-devel; Prior to release 1.3 update pkg-devel to 1.4.0.pre-alpha1. This version is equal to pkg 1.3.0 tag. So at this moment, pkg-devel is effectively _older_ than pkg! > Do I need to remove that first and build the port or will building and > installing the port automatically change the necessary components? That's an interesting question. Both ports install files in the same places, yet no conflict is registered in either port. > When I ran the make install earlier I got a 'stop' stating WITH_PKGNG is > not defined to 'devel', this version is the devel one. I don't have any p= kg > related variables set in /etc/make.conf currently so, should I define that > one and possibly any others before trying again? Interesting. I didn't have WITH_PKGNG set in make.conf, and it seemed to wo= rk OK on 10-STABLE. I've now set it to "yes" just in case, because it is mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING. If you still want to use pkg-devel, I'd suggest the following sequence; * update your ports tree. * update all ports * remove pkg * set WITH_PKGNG=3D"devel" in /etc/make.conf * install pkg-devel Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT1jJxAAoJEED21dyjijPgWYgP/3rHngWC8jEUF5ZbV6W7O/r8 qnyeENjLs3l7cLYODOdrx7Me+DbfB5jSILZjcjfEJyewb5B/FjcQN3bHwOjiBsKc fwTFTSwXHKM3ccdqnKnyKer8+Vin7XFnr0uU8j6PsBSBYPspQUD4LyZbFBEFDorx 2C5XjNvYhxlEN/QEmdA5WTJyjLEP0ZbM7GteMz2CbWtL+qt2BOp7/Y0UdgeotaAv gZn40Oa0/sCxGH/+zHnLjjxDdJl4S31laYJaSuvxtQRlhNANmEDtqk8WoKAcyNsr lvQG+AeCMsz8codmBHOqk/uTSwkXcWTaZhgk6N+QoiDOnW2vtzWqgOWXz6fmz2kU bcADBYav+BDmIOOMpe/YwDe19/zTRzo9abYqcZnaBBtgGLIxGeSTCZ9zAdPPNpdd 5Zs+VbTmwCBE7pLd+GywL8ByrJkMuRdibXNg8ZX08T1msulYkPY2pwUs2MGvSNyM mTi6klqEEUyYPX3szQuzoUo5JzhksP78T9hfWhBbVo41TKkXe1AAvVcUsa6qdnH/ 5ASgD7h/4uMNt99Y72CcOg7gB1XpWkdwG5JZL3EEDkMpVhPksCBzObTflN+RfnjA kynxoUOYo+eOZWifbWhLKU95AQ4fbBM5jmpCsi2hcjKa40+TIZ5+1KHltOcy+VqJ 4K4AizkipcmiVBysvLsB =pp9u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 12:08:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 205AC407 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D90932F61 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EF6724C8E; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:07:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6SC7oiW001972; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:07:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:07:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 Message-Id: <20140728140750.aa515f3f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:08:00 -0000 On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:00:41 +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial > environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? Depends. Does your environment run applications or services that _require_ constant updates? Maybe updates which aren't available on v9? Then go with v10. Or maybe your software is not running on v10? Then you better stay with v9 as long as possible. Does your software require "the newest features"? Then you'll probably need -STABLE. Personally, I don't feel _that_ well running -STABLE in a prod class environment, I mostly tend to use -RELEASE and apply the security patches. But this is a question regarding the updating mentality for the OS, and _you_ need to decide: (a) install RELEASE and keep it running: doubleplusungood when security problems arise; (b) install RELEASE and use freebsd-update to add the security patches: higher updating frequency, but usually no need to change something at the installed ports; (c) install RELEASE, update the source tree to -STABLE and keep rebuilding world and kernel from source according to your schedule (daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, ...): maybe makes your system a "moving target" There's no "one answer fits all", and I'm sure you will receive other replies from the participants of this list. Keep in mind that _you_ are in charge and have to decide. However, v10 is relatively new (compared to v9), so some could see it as "still not mature enough" - 10.0 vs. 9.3 - there's a difference of 0.4 versions. :-) For sure, v10 isn't "experimental" anymore, and it introduces interesting features. Check if you _require_ those, which would justify the decision for v10. And _then_ decide on what updating path you want to follow, probably (b) or (c) mentioned before. And in worst case, if you can afford a "fallback system" or a little downtime, you can retract from your decision and always install a different OS version. It's not _that_ complicated to keep "both tracks open", even though making a decision and then following it is probably the better solution. My summary: Depends. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 12:34:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C507DAE for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C89F227D for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6SCY8vI073148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 06:34:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6SCY8Km073106; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 06:34:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 06:34:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 06:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:34:11 -0000 On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial > environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? It depends on your usage. I consider -STABLE to be a bug-fixed version of -RELEASE, and have run it for years in various applications. The only problems in that time were occasional buildworld breakages, none of them affecting the running version. Netflix ran -STABLE on their systems, although I don't know if they still do. If -STABLE is a concern, you can install 10-STABLE now and update to 10.1-RELEASE after it comes out in a few months. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 12:35:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E57272 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f200.google.com (mail-ie0-f200.google.com [209.85.223.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60CFA22AC for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f200.google.com with SMTP id at20so53734585iec.7 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hXqHzVYCwy0qgfiYVlM5aa40Z8mnvsJ4qLiQtIZ4JZ0=; b=DlWnkm5Om/8sZh7BC7a3VWMypUyAdo0PDIylogWnNiA/oNHXcotrCb++F/elFcDOUA ObEc7xjMq+2Z5CwUcIfGW6uNAXwdSd7lGhH8UuK+YZjlixDnKj0cRtoJGGeqzbgOOHOZ eBp+Feea+lniErZnpf/m4sRBA+RZw0adrbOu4hTe3F7sLTzI2Z0caA1ivxgftGOwLJjX v9qaDF9ekIRMG76i7M1g/rBrGLU/7itbXABupNiM093w5LBMqGJcbdtdOQRvFRvGT6ub MikbkGiOASIZj/ShtSZjD/7EQ6dNJMStFd42mRzy8mQV2H6FL/QpdxvQWsY2CL1c/jsK gf4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnyBgg78MW1boAUvFeffblz3gndlXf1sgx6OOY8WIGyp418BNWdQxkKUm+Vzpft8PO/Lmna MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.235.132 with SMTP id kg4mr24888952icb.22.1406550477687; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20cf302920dc94cfe304ff400d34@google.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:27:57 +0000 Subject: Important information for your website:Freebsd.org:ZS From: Zac Wilson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:35:35 -0000 Hi Freebsd.org Team, I trust you are doing splendidly. I have gone through your website and I comprehend that it's well built, but can be improved in several ways to get better sales and revenue from the site. If you would like me to send you a complete list of upgrades and improvements we could do to your site then kindly let me know so that I can send you the brief quotation for your website. After in-depth research about your website and analyzing the targeted market for your business to prevail, we also execute effective online marketing campaigns by targeting not only local markets but also provincial and international markets as well. However you will be getting *all-in-one services* when contacting us. Search engine optimization is one of the best ways to create targeted traffic for your website. Without traffic, you don't have anybody visiting your site to turn into buyers. It's only search engine tricks that need to keep changing when the ranking algorithm changes. We will help you to increase your visibility in all the major search engines by *improving keyword rankings* and *boosting your real time website traffic* with lots of back links which are always done through White Hat techniques. Indeed you position your website properly to be found at the most critical points in the buying process or when people need your site. Our aim is to provide you with complete web marketing solutions to help your website rank high on the search engines. Before moving on further, we will have a consultation phase where we will discuss what your website goals are and how we can accomplish them. In addition, we may ask you certain questions that may be concerning on the website structure and strategic foundation for your social media marketing. Should you have any questions, please let us know. To improve the search engine visibility of your website, we look forward to hearing from you after you have had time to read our proposal. Best Regards, *Zac Wilson* Sales Advisor Skype: webmarketing.sales From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 13:09:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F188F967 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "PositiveSSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0A2B2716 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (thetys.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.31]) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFCA1689C47; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:07:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.70] (daedalus.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E44A1689C02; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:07:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53D64B98.2080908@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:09:44 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jos Chrispijn , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on thetys.cloudzeeland.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:09:44 -0000 Thanks guys for your detailed replies - will surely take all your fine suggestions in consideration! Running currently 9.2 Stable (which is supported till end of this year) with only basics like Postfix, http(s), MySQL and php/Apache. Just want to prevent that we installed 9.3 (two years life cyclus as from this year), where after some months from now we could upgrade to v10 without problems (and start the whole pandamonium again). BR, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 15:33:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65DB08FC for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27288290C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6SFX1NB000469; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:33:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pki2.com; s=pki2; t=1406561581; bh=sf3598Yfik6x96Q3oBaM9MToWBegHY0eQ1++OzpHsfg=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=SQX7DbV3WjWkF8xfLCwgbWlJKQ2ZMbbEAnKNKuqlE89HF5sO+My6olwLT2PIuwSnN wI0b8l1b16282w6ElFsvqYswrL/xKU3LsIGm0AAXP5l+X9hzID/uTbjLNUE/eIhSl1 5RmyMK2LbhREMsS+gyqCS79Biab2rbr6o2MMMCCETTR1+1j9lZZoA+3xx4GPT3AH1U chY2u0XIkb6+dr6ze/kPtld0E7CklBuZv6WCKOYN48dv5SO/bvUMZjCWZtK7mLXtF2 wbE45Il6jbS8kFV6NBIYyFAKXj0qjJH8j3qekIhNj2GMaXvMu636R/ZDy7yMeSDmoE UkN4CDLUCVsXw== Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 From: Dennis Glatting To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:33:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1406561580.3895.0.camel@btw.pki2.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner-ID: s6SFX1NB000469 X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:33:13 -0000 On Mon, 2014-07-28 at 12:00 +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial > environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? > I'm using it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 15:51:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 813B015D for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3403F2B20 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6SFpLJ9007784; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <53D67176.9060504@sentex.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:51:18 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jos Chrispijn , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:51:27 -0000 On 7/28/2014 6:00 AM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial > environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? We have switch to 10 for new deployments and are quite happy with its stability. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 15:58:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26D86900 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 002672B93 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id kq14so10742932pab.12 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eAQ0zZj+2J5v/seC61fp4LNSk/iWUJMtuYkd9sRNJKY=; b=VRjDhd2JaGkOysRMJ+cmKt4gCF4lX1OEgel1YSeDgYAuSDGuRDv3rhqMisu04JE8My ZLikadfcJ1jQ3GkTUfLTvo7r70be7zyT6zAEalH9wU3onIt5/c2u0hj0h2U+knhVbcRo IjYvVdifzzAVxb/gyYVpYjQjG0XKaUN6DKdfamwCZn+IgjRiTFSCfRA3R6mhpBaZCCti fvyglFLhcOHMqWct793yXk9JvGJsJ9cUy3CUwmvVhk0wD96HRgSdO8M7+uNAjQ/3Z41H IGzS6nsRDfrMo/wbeaxAC2pb4qwnhykN651vFAtG9tXWEalHs94gpkfn9kEw6xivfQwH iqgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.54.42 with SMTP id g10mr40002551pdp.49.1406563086565; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:58:07 -0000 I have PCBSD 10 installed on an HP desktop with a RT5390 wireless adapter. The boot hangs with ral0: needs multicast update callback I looked for a way to disable the wireless adapter in bios but didn't find one. Or at least what I tried didn't help. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 16:40:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFDB0BC4 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbg-out.inti.gob.ar (sbg-out.inti.gov.ar [200.10.161.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADF621BC for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:40:15 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: c80aa145-f790a6d000000dff-97-53d67ce814da Received: from [200.10.161.55] (jb.inti.gov.ar [200.10.161.55]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by sbg-out.inti.gob.ar (SMTP_INTI) with SMTP id EA.D0.03583.8EC76D35; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:40:08 -0300 (ART) Message-ID: <53D67CE8.5060501@inti.gob.ar> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:40:08 -0300 From: Juan Bernhard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem booting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupnluLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42I5wbXQXPdFzbVgg5+L2Cxeft3E4sDoMePT fJYAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujFdfdrIVHGWumL3wFHsD432mLkZODgkBE4m2pfNYIWwxiQv3 1rN1MXJxCAl0MUk8v93BCJLgFdCSmHVsEnMXIwcHi4CqxJMvuSBhNgE1ia9nToH1igpESVyY 3wNVLihxcuYTFhBbREBR4syZRrAaYQEZiU+/m9hBbCGBAImt1+6wgdicAoESP/5tYgaxmQV0 JN71PYCy5SWat85mnsDINwvJ2FlIymYhKVvAyLyKUbg4KV03v7REDxhEmXrp+Ul6iUWbGCHB 5LqDce869UOMAhyMSjy8G/ZcDRZiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawkwpuZfC1YiDclsbIqtSg/vqg0J7X4 EKM0B4uSOG+w9JFgIYH0xJLU7NTUgtQimCwTB6dUA2PjE+FEz+xs6c2Oto05qUY7FXZlfuy9 PWeKcm3w6p4Kj+0/hPSjJ/ZY7M/irNUPTI1fZ7OTeeHu/hN8iisufH5dPmvFjAXLlu/9NqX2 WlBiUSVf1B1R/0l1Zq65cxJeHb7urLuzxaqa7Z2V3VOp8M6yuL3s8oXqO3S2X4wV3MDT8GPN sQ1bZiixFGckGmoxFxUnAgDY6Ix8IgIAAA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:40:15 -0000 El 28/07/2014 12:58 p.m., Brian Wood escribió: > I have PCBSD 10 installed on an HP desktop with > a RT5390 wireless adapter. The boot hangs with > > ral0: needs multicast update callback > > I looked for a way to disable the wireless adapter in bios > but didn't find one. Or at least what I tried didn't help. > Any suggestions? Thanks. > > Did you try to boot in safe mode? Then modify /boot/loader.conf and add if_ral_load="NO" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 17:23:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7D2B77A for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A8662761 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6SHNJWC061364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6SHNJZ8061361; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:23:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:23:21 -0000 On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Brian Wood wrote: > I have PCBSD 10 installed on an HP desktop with > a RT5390 wireless adapter. The boot hangs with > > ral0: needs multicast update callback That is an a frequent warning message, but likely not the cause of the hang. It might be possible to disable the radio with a Fn key combination, but again, that is likely not the cause of the problem, just the last thing shown on the screen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 17:58:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F32826B9 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpb.telissant.net (smtpb.telissant.net [199.233.230.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89D92AFF for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from barrida.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpb.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BD327366 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:57:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpb.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by barrida.3dresearch.com (barrida.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vbnG6h0dc2XU for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doncurzio.3dresearch.com (pool-108-3-92-199.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [108.3.92.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpb.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E945E2730C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doncurzio.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by doncurzio.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 60E44A1E34 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:56:47 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: vfs.zfs.recover Message-Id: <20140728135647.695573c0615d72c3fd951e45@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:58:02 -0000 Hello, Would you please explain the use case for setting vfs.zfs.recover: 1 (default seems to be 0). Does this setting have any effect when pools/filesystems are healthy? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 18:25:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 255F4256 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDB182FAB for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id rl12so7102706iec.38 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:25:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=2rOZBbBvga+OtN0tanTKtMJxgEKOUydPM00PHkZqLP8=; b=qn42l9Lv6ZmxvzK9VKLH7xGDrPhaLkiw/i2fX7J9bRWNH/Dex3++hJW4Ag9BqQlGhn 8qwNKTTunCVKPDLSG+jb7c1dFleY1c+IBw3zPcXX2S1+J5cZnsXGHaM5pFOd6I7iNxO/ 6M/IFkS+8V3+lOHcvegBpHR7oT+c+0A0yV9qnnDwVTwAzUl7MYuncdBV5KiubGlbSqA5 2+Sz+HGIm76OkZSYK4jFxObHYYQvjGbMdxmtW3xuwLDK+AUUQtJhcUJpF7w/wRElL0Cv +o1/Jbi/vp0n4BI9ygVpSloBcWOlmnsh7Z3qRWZUO6PohKVn1NI4aArvYkd7Y7KWuiXw AdtQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.61.195 with SMTP id s3mr12404309igr.29.1406571925225; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.165.73 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:25:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:25:25 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8CozhfkcmvTkceEnhXklYepxnP4 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: mfsBSD custom files? From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:25:26 -0000 Hi all, I am prototyping mfsBSD to perform an automated OS installation. The documentation[1] asserts custom files are added to the resulting image by placing them into files/*. However, after building it, the files can neither be located in the image nor the mfsroot inside the image. Is my understanding of how this is supposed behave flawed or is this a bug? * Note: the files must actually be in customfiles/ and not files/, reference the Makefile [1] https://github.com/mmatuska/mfsbsd/blob/master/BUILD -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 19:59:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3208C612 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x231.google.com (mail-qg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E879B2A24 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j107so9048989qga.22 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZCxl7VDOSVKi75c54NV+JjeTbgjq+Nltc7NA6jLQa6w=; b=Fa2qqQdyTYMoGqyiA3C19fuMLzaUvIdLOCmzjU1SlbRS73b2cG7xyvyBqzvyhyMmpQ wf6qndpq5S+Y19e4PwamAMKGGpTFloZ3eRzUKLLxkynoteVsjX8FZy/jpJgdj5/wG5wA h+ulGEdqV+Gkm746V6/Acxfpl872QwoU2yIVzm6q5taNSBP69mNRgbjeqTq6zovQGN5o 2qQuRIOaSGeoEFz5pLiKuSJPZDCCj57H8a41skYh2lQTlhaIWKLsLK+N2yjWa/DZjcBz lkH6oaY88F4K//A9wQQ4tUQajf0yoPM7pXX//3O28SSCjVK0vV94FSzx6kAQAeaK8xKd vUdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.93.161 with SMTP id d30mr34905495qge.53.1406577592567; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.1.6 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:59:52 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1zdMC7KFadpedVF_gVFTGF0kOK4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Updating 800+ pkg's From: Adrian Chadd To: Jamie Griffin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:59:56 -0000 Hi! On 28 July 2014 01:09, Jamie Griffin wrote: > I've waited for the new pkg version, 1.3+ so I can take advantage of it's > ability to manage package conflicts etc. > > Currently, there are hundreds of packages to upgrade including the KDE > desktop from version 4.10 to 4.12. I am not using using the WITH_NEW_XORG > set of packages and my OS version is FreeBSD 10 Stable r267006. That will > be upgraded to r269179 later today though. > > I would just like to know a little more about what to expect when I attempt > to upgrade my packages, e.g. can pkg(8) cope well with this level of > software upgrade, and should I expect loads of problems? Has anyone else > been in this situation recently? Well, the longer you leave package updates, the more likely you'll end up with hilarity. I run freebsd-head (i386 and amd64) with binary only packages. After the great package renaming crap that happened last year and earlier this year, things have settled down quite significantly. I've not had any problems since. So, I'd just say "do it and deal with the fallout." It'll be much better later. :) -a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 20:13:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FA7FE3A for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86AD32C96 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6SKDGaS085359; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:13:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 849A412435; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:13:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:13:16 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:13:20 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:58:06AM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > I have PCBSD 10 installed on an HP desktop with > a RT5390 wireless adapter. The boot hangs with >=20 > ral0: needs multicast update callback My wireless adapter gives the same warning, but the machine doesn't hang (that's on 10-STABLE amd64, btw). > I looked for a way to disable the wireless adapter in bios > but didn't find one. Or at least what I tried didn't help. > Any suggestions? Thanks. You can put hint.ral.0.disabled=3D"1" in /boot/device.hints. That will disable the device. But it is not sure that this device is the cause of the hang. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT1q7cAAoJEED21dyjijPg5RMP/2yI/ZViuafwP2maS3M8ApIn AemXWjJ1H8+qaPGJ/vzpheeUqpeY0eBdqvYwt6ubGXTq4Y9DvXDqsSDpgsqv7EJp 9ps5EeCk/2r75/nnEO0O5IQbMWkqV/6EVAl0uR5Fvg+kBvkV+q/vVXSwdZmV5VuR a84gNuK9+ujJqC1EcnmHeMaLyQ9zt2Qte9AfzTzIpTsgOHZyC7oG6NfXZ2c/UqIV US9T8ZkmTHelsM9vLas41XE93SUrmYiDhSdXV2PdfaA78TwdP92lHyGE8pSFAxZ6 mQ6eZB4WF+Z3ygdIgVZxkXY5y7Z/xynzr8W4v4gvJ0XPvAzjHb2oNLypUrjVV8XD fJyH5EnI5TvS5ryQm9PXocugd/pJ+tBGZpmOYtRcTgwgJMeiMzYDt5SlZVD+VAm2 bvyxE3AYNXwHktXAJIv5LGaSKeUvI51hfnIVFYFYEReq25kc4UD+rDl9k7sUmwDv vIsgbZE4ujQxV8uAx3n6F8Wa0xqVbY4u6yJOOxCGHk7tPwgtsXIFJ/EndINXTy7C Q7cN1CvRHHcM5apozt5HhSEdz4wdysvb7EIWVU0C5Fb4fWblJtdlDBX4dwQcfbZu pkQJysxk6PLzgGCQkxVGL2IYM0hhrIgPnaznfzOAPWnzplfrOEW821+KfOXszLE3 wcjgvaeB5yv89iveUHcp =ryfI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 20:25:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79B14407 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x22d.google.com (mail-pa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E8B2EA6 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id eu11so11131098pac.32 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:25:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t1orcShL2zHCsvzImhY271IXGFnlo7YHFCo37yThfUw=; b=OJ4hcQZeSTcysU1VMnKhdxa1t+HzA/TWQV3wR2n2Ffzoy8sCtyEwp8lf43YPTUUvnM XcvxvZ7J2yFQHos1xAnepl2iMEIQDhuCE+pjINjSLfe/b6lxyWZTrn5iRUGatkPyMcZw i9bhB46cvLJ7EM9hUDGz2FGWW6HeOuONKN7buoCWM5C2MNkhFrwgEXP0UTaDgt3Afd5n aW/6bzkN1fuHmemkuonhuT6x1vpzslrAPqB5/KSvISkOMqNhmlVX6NHa4i5xftfIQfr+ va0knzd2/xvNvuVWpuYAoHHhZeGK5VWgtvziDXs0drjzVYDguXu/josNIQXZigCrDDus qtFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.69.26.103 with SMTP id ix7mr40899061pbd.41.1406579152910; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:25:53 -0000 On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:58:06AM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > > I have PCBSD 10 installed on an HP desktop with > > a RT5390 wireless adapter. The boot hangs with > > > > ral0: needs multicast update callback > > My wireless adapter gives the same warning, but the machine doesn't hang > (that's on 10-STABLE amd64, btw). > > > I looked for a way to disable the wireless adapter in bios > > but didn't find one. Or at least what I tried didn't help. > > Any suggestions? Thanks. > > You can put > > hint.ral.0.disabled="1" > > in /boot/device.hints. That will disable the device. > > But it is not sure that this device is the cause of the hang. > I'm not sure how to edit that file. I can get to grub prompt but don't know if that is where I should be to edit it. I believe I'm on 10-Stable and amd64 also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 20:33:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64AF187C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AC182F75 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XBrbx-0002JQ-OM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:33:33 +0200 Received: from dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca ([129.173.34.203]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:33:33 +0200 Received: from jrm by dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:33:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Joseph Mingrone Subject: Re: Updating 800+ pkg's Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:33:20 -0300 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <86vbqh9qb3.fsf@gly.ftfl.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:G6sOd8zaChErriBEXvKy/HY0hQ4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:33:47 -0000 Adrian Chadd writes: > So, I'd just say "do it and deal with the fallout." It'll be much > better later. :) You might wait a few days though. There have been some hiccups with the 1.3.x release that aren't completely worked out. Baptiste said 1.3.3 will be out tonight or tomorrow probably. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 22:20:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91B36F32 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73CE92B54 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from otaku.freeshell.org (IDENT:cwr@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.9]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6SMKGj1003842 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:20:17 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:20:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@faeroes.freeshell.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:20:29 -0000 Hello list! I'm running 10-RELEASE x64, and all of a sudden I can't seem to install any packages. No matter which package I attempt to install, the result is similar: Fetching finch-2.10.9_5.txz: 100% of 208 KB pkg: cached package finch-2.10.9_5: size mismatch, fetching from remote Fetching finch-2.10.9_5.txz: 100% of 208 KB pkg: cached package finch-2.10.9_5: size mismatch, cannot continue I have tried running pkg update -f; it doesn't help. I've tried running pkg clean as well. No difference. I don't have a pkg.conf file. I can't think of any significant changes I made to the system that would have caused this. It was working fine up until a few days ago. The other symptom seems to be that 'pkg upgrade' does not report any packages that need to be updated, when I know full well there are updates. Help is appreciated! Thanks! Charlie cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 23:21:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B131865 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0653226B for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6SNL1Fq095195; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:21:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5CC9F123C7; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:21:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:21:01 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:21:10 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 03:25:52PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > > I looked for a way to disable the wireless adapter in bios > > > but didn't find one. Or at least what I tried didn't help. > > > Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > You can put > > > > hint.ral.0.disabled=3D"1" > > > > in /boot/device.hints. That will disable the device. > > > > But it is not sure that this device is the cause of the hang. >=20 > I'm not sure how to edit that file. I can get to grub prompt but > don't know if that is where I should be to edit it. I believe I'm on > 10-Stable and amd64 also. Boot from a FreeBSD USB stick or a CD-ROM that contains a live-CD image. (e.g. FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso or FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img) Once you get to the main menu of the installer, choose the =E2=80=9CLive CD= =E2=80=9D option. Mount the partition where /boot resides. Then you can edit the file. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT1trdAAoJEED21dyjijPgSVcP/jKwj8GtBLOGJ0TdXycKeryO c0ry7UwPTw/ewCNFZSb9NQ/seBzdJC1PKqwMfWmPNEGn/u8Js4drZq2sr++h1IJW gypTiUvsH8LL9QYEjfdwdXSm5JyWM8aWHXnLiJiIGkBQV3SIaMCkCH1Ld5Gfi1fc Xajbc5Nq1578rWgE7RlYcWIu5ipnwmV3PENv3V5Ty/ljbS7l+lijFskS315Q5n5c gCSYvnvHTgL+rZcAq0XCFWMHhrs5TjzdNWRuCsDalJtpYczV7KKttDO0regqMhn1 iomzd9NZvDw1BFAvBfFNOBjwJm4dYtVEUyuPq4v7BlrZYTNHXamLnJQDmaehJcK4 fPxygoGmWcJpZVgvZylgqdFQAgCOt18u2ukWNGQCqp0IcSETyUTipm5dM08MVNwh BI/Qd6LMgC93y16paSnDzxKrabymoO/+ZCUfmOJJ1s9/gC1pXCrBv2shSPDvdy9T 23VRcI8WhoX1SHCRtivsEKKwPU7ewCQ/Guyt///uS4j/yKkJ7k7pdSVAW98VvZVZ 5aChtkMWVmmb7O3NdFuEye1I+6Gzp4p4QA3WVY+CRjJ5naCoscQma7NGCjTT/NxN 5RGWRibL3nqrosvPv99a5KOmINco7FsY2zLooF5S98ftjmqzK8V4xgvsr94R38sq yJy0rdI9tEqruHsEweUE =YImP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 23:32:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3D66BF8 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 985B224B8 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:32:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=w9pXin4Z+OYCD23bhiGFNzUoOSlzwufN/VbByJUADQ0=; b=cbq+G6KdZA5yS+4AJaOjClpiVOblvoWiuSEEO8zao9W47V+Wfwl5b0+WoBGeaKd3WCFZLGyPw9W1tywdkPVM5EjV4RXaFKsO+TMAG941oMQdH/sK56JNLL4WXJlAs5jUF2/FE1ODYLa300RtDDRnQQ5H4e8M9yvnAcTWBA1Gezk=; Received: from [114.121.154.88] (port=5767 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XBuPA-00357X-8h; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:32:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:32:20 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 Message-ID: <20140729073220.56ce62b4@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> References: <53D61F49.7090507@webrz.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:32:41 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:00:41 +0200 Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Would it be a good idea to use BSD 10 Stable in a commercial > environment or should I sitck to BSD 9.3 Stable for two years? > we use the following strategy. When we buy new hardware, we first try the version the older hardware is using. If all works, we stick with this version. If there is a problem, we switch to the most current release. TO make life easier, we switch all other machines to this version then. While upgrading FreeBSD, we stick to a branch as long it is supported. When support stops, we switch to the most current release. This would mean in your case to stick with 9.x as long as 9 has support and then switch to 11.x or what else will be the most current release when support for 9 is stopped. I never saw any other reason to switch branches. It causes to much interruptions. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 23:54:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26711156 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E91CA266C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.81] ([172.15.184.248]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MO7Ry-1X6R6y1Mqi-005VhB for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:54:48 +0200 Message-ID: <53D6E32B.7030103@gmx.us> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:56:27 -0400 From: Dutch Ingraham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Audio CDs Not Playing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:fyBUAILi+6f85hT+dX4Ms47D1FKNu/fIqhLvoHxmJCz10Cti8vl 9Zs6qU0cwIioZUE5mIEMVmMr6hlg15v6MeddkJ2s6bg5DO/T6547vc6ugUF82lLH36fIdRh 6ZeTzxC/129tkObCJ/jKP2A0wCjQyxC+Dq0Y6rSXx4G3U+lFG+4+k5Eo6G5G8b7RVOB9KHC NOCHa3Kap78ysHWFHTRhg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:54:55 -0000 Greetings: I'm having trouble with playing audio CDs; specifically, they won't play at all. Secondarily, it appears as though, if they would play, I would need to be root to do so. My system stats are as follows: : FreeBSD dutch.freebsd.net 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Tue Jul 8 06:37:44 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I am issuing the command and the CD simply will not play, or move in any way. However, if I issue , the CD will eject; if I issue , I will receive the tracks information, etc. So it appears as though communication is happening, but the CD will not play. If I issue these commands as a regular user, I receive a "permission denied" message; if run as root, simply nothing happens - no error, nothing. In fact issuing returns 0. I have read the handbook sections on multimedia and setting up the sound card, and believe I've done everything by the book. For example, returns: hdac0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x04201028 chip=0x3a6e8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801JD/DO (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA and I have loaded, individually, both the snd_hda and snd_ich drivers with the same result (the hardware notes are ambiguous on this note). The only somewhat useful information is returned by which returns: "cdcontrol: Inappropriate ioctl for device" However, a google search has not informed me as to what this means or how to correct. If someone could point me in the correct direction, I'd be appreciative. PS - This issue is not limited to CLI commands; VLC will issue the error "VLC is unable to open the MRL 'cdda:///dev/cd0'. Check the log for details." There is no log info that I can find. In addition, I can burn a cd with xfburn, but only as root. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 00:52:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 024AAB72 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 00:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE7152B66 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 00:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39CE84C1A; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h3lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36743-06; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6155684C38; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: freebsd@fongaboo.com X-X-Sender: fongaboo@helix.wtfayla.net To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: nsdc absent from NSD Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 00:52:38 -0000 Trying NSD out on a FreeBSD 10 machine. Installed from ports and trying to follow info in these two tutorials: http://www.prado.it/2012/04/19/how-to-run-master-and-slave-nsd-on-freebsd-9-0/ http://www.tokiwinter.com/nsd-master-slave-dns-servers/ Both instruct reloading using nsdc, but the command seems to be totally absent after the install from ports. Any idea why? Thanx FONG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- shot through the heart ooh baby do you know what that's worth and you're to blame ooh heaven is a place on earth darling you give love they say in heaven love comes first a bad name we'll make heaven a place on earth ORBITAL "Halcyon Live" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 01:51:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A016D973 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22c.google.com (mail-pd0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 769E62159 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ft15so10749711pdb.17 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r/mI9ooLBcS6gtwC/9Mx9BiXsD7pPjN2M0MU9yv/tG8=; b=mRVUkyk0P++oSN539paKHMAgsTQTEIS9hGUT3WwoeEeZTpyfG/iV1UNAKHu2BFEjQH YQRYEfOOJ1Tl6jFv3N1JbkK+42pjUAJrNsZzw6/d9R51L0RyqbXEojWvVrfEgGWWCJtv smkcM46P6EmpVmDZzVhZOjMQFcLHY6Uz37svilqa7KhmdYfA7PHjOHH80Mu3WEVGeIvU cXVZZdyseIVPDaLk20xaxarrjREOFzik292D0S1fsYttSIuNV/V6r0jUDvOENCCnnt6K L9Kv0NZqxYigV1mDscdyySY9tHNoozIGiPcdIRfqiMWRjPbS6X2csSmuZESOfHGLcXAM c8Hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.130.12 with SMTP id oa12mr13269303pdb.123.1406598677294; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:51:19 -0000 On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 03:25:52PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > > > > I'm not sure how to edit that file. I can get to grub prompt but > > don't know if that is where I should be to edit it. I believe I'm on > > 10-Stable and amd64 also. > > Boot from a FreeBSD USB stick or a CD-ROM that contains a live-CD image. > (e.g. FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso or > FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img) > > Once you get to the main menu of the installer, choose the =E2=80=9CLive = CD=E2=80=9D > option. > Mount the partition where /boot resides. Then you can edit the file. > > Just to be clear I'm using PCBSD 10 "Joule". I put the dvd in and got to an emergency shell. There I could edit /boot/device.hints but not save it because it was on a read-only file system. (Maybe that was on the dvd.) I tried mounting some things listed under /dev but that didn't work. I'm not sure what partition /boot is on. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 02:02:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EB84B8E for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22a.google.com (mail-pd0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0528422B6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id g10so10941933pdj.29 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:02:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZuczDT4ksGs3TqL0+QzW7cqXaUYtOydwgOffd8lC9lM=; b=S4wW0e782Jt6A1FCjinfGCVpG4bpPwF9laIaDVpYPVFtoqQ1D8EP0hGgmFSCRge7BV vJxNvZg+0i1n/sCQX4pFLHkcEiV/0LJZaLHQnTh19D0EoTBpSgCLNARJvW+JlcNfJBHu gGYhzfSLhZhimzA8WG5kKD/xgMlnRSlCjir/YPAPn1sXX6l+qvqm0xsI40+ELjZsNHwp jSPnJ+6kFj+/mqe+g54oQ+F1W3uXPBpx1+Z/dE7b+1E780FuuEs4gZ7JvHhZdHE+OCh5 7vT5AgqfZz4eqn/MpZtrun9/mMCQNbOUdkI2jZGAcIMxVBUbAhMVykKmvhAAsn4bsyRc n01w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.95.5 with SMTP id dg5mr42612156pdb.93.1406599355216; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:02:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:02:36 -0000 There's a icon that shows detected hardware devices. All of the devices including the wifi device have a green check next to them. So maybe like you and someone else speculated, the boot is getting past the wifi and is hanging on something after that. I'll give this another shot if I can figure out what to mount, but maybe the next question is what happens after it does the wifi stuff. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 05:49:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63F2AE7D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C1DB2804 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:49:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=ffH8tGFrleWFayIGn7Vxw/bFtwCskC49x52/oiGEhpw=; b=IERwlBiO+fXLn7iZ9CzhDnJ9N1/OIAYtGObxwRg9c+PL75ba7B7iUuGPsEszXHm3tL1gce+2WofdVQwtjGJHbGJ3CVK617q9h/LrQD3SWBSwqZ9YJKMse3d2dl5yjU9+DTV4P/ucVkaPzel9lcxJ/xG2wjQKJtUDeCyV3swmb0k=; Received: from [114.121.154.88] (port=5701 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XC0Hp-002Eka-WB; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:49:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:49:11 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140729134911.408b0b0a@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:49:24 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:51:17 -0500 Brian Wood wrote: > > I tried mounting some things listed under /dev but that didn't work. > I'm not sure what partition /boot is on. /boot is on / It should have a device name like /dev/ada0s1a. The 0 can be any other number depending on you configuration. Just try mounting read-only to check what is on the device. You can also mount read/write if you are careful. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 07:08:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCCD728D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5646A2053 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6T785Jb029748; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:08:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AFBCD12359; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:08:05 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:08:09 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 08:51:17PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > Just to be clear I'm using PCBSD 10 "Joule". I put the dvd in and got to > an emergency shell. There I could edit /boot/device.hints but not save it > because it was on a read-only file system. (Maybe that was on the dvd.) Probably. > I tried mounting some things listed under /dev but that didn't work. > I'm not sure what partition /boot is on. Generally, /boot is on the root partition. It depends on what partitioning scheme PCBSD used. It is probably either /dev/ada0p2 (using GPT partitioning) or /dev/ada0s1a (MBR partitions). Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT10hVAAoJEED21dyjijPgUrYP/iJMrln3ArrQjn+/+Z8HvwJN 2ETa6I39qMnwVsroFdKeq1UjkZ2JQrfVANMJFSe8lZeiw+w9fgLfrjyX88oP8ZZm zi3JTHink7Qn4EPdnCVDxR5eRnp5KzmdMcmJInSk/Wc0zSizGu5pIUTwST4r5JUD 4nr461BEcKPI5v7U7cuTY5Abbo0IpG5aaEhTS8rEJYdOUdi+mcy//EKkHKsCxTiX Dbo2zMwsv7Xxc86x6nabAEbcGSNY1gIlU2LhOcVAZQ2G+6SvGTQMRLaoreTAAts5 tZ2lgt1BHsNoTZDiFPkbMb47Z+vOMom9RZiWTeZd7MVVqMCrYr1gWOOE2rXPEY/X IQfXPHGeDCfFsZv0tMWfr2xFCWKddRt80DS4vd73NzZY6sw1BAhBjqJGwaiJqPrA T1eo8yJ+uaFEPP+I44fesmQcg39G2Tt6JIbnjrBVOwOlQDwLs/rqeVbk0rs9ftL4 TfuhhPnck5nQ//zGb6O4AkDhRXaFJN26I4RnR++BbJTO/7slfmO147JHo7KvLhco lpB83xn9kHoCsMyZEn9dxURJaZPR2KrDb1ayTAY/Tw0LP5mp2bc1CcjCoUbhBF2r b17bv5bLFMpTesEnN/+mvkRIK2N2szJ4Ie1kztdrwThJdRmdGokq7UBgIMqkCTWH kaBGINOx9Zw17JAIjvxw =9qxM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 08:23:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B363B4 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x229.google.com (mail-yk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F9EF28A0 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 131so5388583ykp.28 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=d0LsVM/0d37mfjOIacr3QZpsLQM5AsKCPtkr/6J0dbg=; b=eWubuArjHIne3Ntzvq3m+74+66GRLZXJvSqL71dKU9rQQ0c7ZxdW3o/F1Vu/yJ+f2L 0n3yPqzMKKVtrBxBhrExlldQ5QLTXHlbSE6GA8CEDhhQTqkTBpkB7OIaSM2o5gTfPKy+ h2pTkFcVgG8Yzea1z0NUdSu92eq9jdVZIKff4tJYaRYkziuaBdn0OQ36fE4muw6JHFma DNAR/8LyEF2Zq5/hd5gBmsFZmt6Kthi0VNOTXJEH1B1o36x/6Mbqbr8/Txdd9RvZLGGc Vc2V/4zoXxKAmwZR9afFyWUN4XDhZKKNZMQK1g6i+mc08kWEMrFn7F11nhBF7yweTU2e 5PuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.18.195 with SMTP id l43mr841180yhl.150.1406622204474; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:23:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140722133305.228a1690@gumby.homeunix.com> <8699AF5D2BE8E9EBCFFEEE17@192.168.1.50> <20140722222722.70f13ec9@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140724002912.5eda1757@gumby.homeunix.com> <98DFE7A36ED2EBA26E6C710C@192.168.1.50> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:23:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: krad To: "Peter A. Giessel" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:23:25 -0000 you are correct, however if you can afford to put big drives like that one a system you can afford to match up a far more modern cpu with the drives with a decent amount of ram. Something like the hp microserver is little more than =C2=A3100 and is more than capable of handling zfs. 5-6 year old = 2nd had kit is as well and it probably cheaper. Also your going to have to get pretty creative to get a modern sata/sas drive to work in an ((e)*isa|mca) based board, which will nullify any cost saving of using decades old hardware. On 24 July 2014 01:47, Peter A. Giessel wrote: > > > On Jul 23, 2014, at 16:40, Daniel Staal wrote: > > > > If you have multiple disks, ZFS with raid/mirroring is nearly *always* = a > better choice than UFS, in my opinion. Exceptions would be things like > dedicated database servers and such, where you have applications basicall= y > constructing their own file systems on top of the OS's file system. > > "Always"... Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is if you are > still using i386 (cheap/old hardware) without lots of RAM (1-2 GB) and > large disks (3/4/5TB), zfs is not going to be a good choice. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 08:27:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B259525 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDC7F28E6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@sdf.lonestar.org [192.94.73.15]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6T8RCnr011824 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:27:13 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.14.8/8.12.8/Submit) id s6T8RCrl014461 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 03:27:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <201407290827.s6T8RCrl014461@sdf.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 03:27:12 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:27:21 -0000 I want to set up a couple of software-based RAID devices across identically sized partitions on several disks. At first I thought that gvinum's raid5 would be the way to go, but now that I have finally found and read some information about raidz, I am unsure which to choose. My current, and possibly wrong, understanding about the two methods' most important features (to me, at least) can be summarized as follows. raid5 raidz Has parity checking, but any parity Has parity checking *and* errors identified are assumed to be frequently spaced checksums errors in the parity blocks themselves, that are checked when data so if errors occur in data blocks, the blocks are read, so errors are errors can be detected, but not unless and detected relatively quickly. a "checkparity" operation is done. Errors Checksums enable identification in parity blocks can be fixed by a of where the error exists and "rebuildparity" operation, but a automatic repair of erroneous "rebuildparity" will merely cement errors bytes in either data blocks or in data blocks by creating parity blocks parity blocks. to match/confirm the erroneous data. (This also appears to be the case for graid3 devices.) Can be expanded by the addition of more Can only be expanded by spindles via a "gvinum grow" operation. replacing all components with larger components. The number of component devices cannot be changed, so the percentage of space tied up in parity cannot be changed. Does not support migration to any other Does not support migration RAID levels or their equivalents. between raidz levels, even by (N.B. The exception to this limitation adding drives to support the seems to be to create a mirror of a raid5 increased space required for device, effectively migrating to a RAID5+1 parity blocks. configuration.) Does not support additional parity Supports one (raidz2) or two dimensions a la RAID6. (raidz3) additional parity dimensions if one or two extra components is designated for such purpose when the raidz device is created. Fast performance because each block Slower performance because each is on a separate spindle from the block is spread across all from the previous and next blocks. spindles a la RAID3, so many simultaneous I/O operations are required for each block. ----------------------- I hoped to start with a minimal number of components and eventually add more components to increase the space available in the raid5 or raidz devices. Increasing their sizes that way would also increase the total percentage of space in the devices devoted to data rather than parity, as well as improving the performance enhancement of the striping. For various reasons, having to replace all component spindles with larger-capacity components is not a viable method of increasing the size of the raid5 or raidz devices in my case. That would appear to rule out raidz. OTOH, the very large-capacity drives available in the last two or three years appear not to be very reliable(*) compared to older drives of 1 TB or smaller capacities. gvinum's raid5 appears not to offer good protection against, nor any repair of, damaged data blocks. Ideally, one ought to be able to create a minimal device with the space equivalent of one device devoted to parity, whose space and/or dimensions of parity could be increased later by the addition of more spindles. Given that there appears to be no software available under FreeBSD to support that ideal, I am currently stumped as to which available way to go. I would appreciate anyone with actual experience with gvinum's raid5 or ZFS raidz (preferably with both) correcting any errors in my understanding as described above and also offering suggestions as to how best to resolve my quandary. Thanks to three failed external drives and apparently not fully reliable replacements, compounded by a bad ports update two or three months ago, I have no functioning X11 and no space set up any longer in which to build ports to fix the X11 problem, so I really want to get the disk situation settled ASAP. Trying to keep track of everything using only syscons and window(1) is wearing my patience awfully thin. (*) [Last year I got two defective 3 TB drives in a row from Seagate. I ended up settling for a 2 TB Seagate that is still running fine AFAIK. While that process was going on, I bought three 2 TB Seagate drives in external cases with USB 3.0 interfaces, two of which failed outright after about 12 months and have been replaced with two refurbished drives under warranty. While waiting for those replacements to arrive, I bought a 2 TB Samsung drive in an external case with a USB 3.0 interface. I discovered by chance that copying very large files to these drives is an error-prone process. A roughly 1.1 TB file on the one surviving external Seagate drive from last year's purchase of three, when copied to the Samsung drive, showed no I/O errors during the copy operation. However, a comparison check using "cmp -l -z originalfile copyoforiginal" shows quite a few places where the contents don't match. The same procedure applied to one of the refurbished Seagates gives similar results, although the locations and numbers of differing bytes are different from those on the Samsung drive. The same procedure applied to the other refurbished drive resulted in a good copy the first time, but a later repetition ended up with a copied file that differed from the original by a single bit in each of two widely separated places in the files. These problems have raised the priority of a self-healing RAID device in my mind. I have to say that these are new experiences to me. The disk drives, controllers, etc. that I grew up with all had parity checking in the hardware, including the data encoded on the disks, so single-bit errors anywhere in the process showed up as hardware I/O errors instantly. If the errors were not eliminated during a limited number of retries, they ended up as permanent I/O errors that a human would have to resolve at some point. FWIW, I also discovered that I cannot run two such multi-hour-long copy operations in parallel using two separate pairs of drives. Running them together seems to go okay for a while, but eventually always results in a panic. This is on 9.2-STABLE (r264339). I know that that is not up to date, but I can't do anything about that until my disk hardware situation is settled.] Thanks in advance for any help, information, advice, etc. I'm running out of hair to tear out at this point. :-( Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 09:39:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5389CF7 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22f.google.com (mail-yk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E63221F8 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id q200so5340728ykb.20 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qLyNMguMH/R4s0BSKoQroTKGyAGQ/5ZUkLpQOgq/Dkc=; b=UPbWPaQzFRwKWAthq+ytvYxjQ2jZsBM6dpPLo69rVtUeJQ3+cPsc2h/2SWyzI6NoPK Ar9rDbGl7Y6vNRcgB6xSc8+UKdyz7Yw2mDeSEV0bVFzdfFlw7VlfeuceOYgosdbLVWoi Wtri3azIEgRl5kWphMe4MpoyEaqlxHdI5ATIDRte3Gm/YoPpPMqDKztoBL1v8UpCGbK/ hfYLQC84We3iBUc/48ygI0jl4Hj5CsOfWyK9R4J4cxuI4WQ1RKBb92JGvvFH4PnRTOD2 EIu6+0n51JbmxiGTM/ISx9gE1xKTuLUf0n4xlZtzZEspOP069gfcGdtfOGoZw1HKcrU3 SpAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.88.13 with SMTP id z13mr1538074yhe.34.1406626752756; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140722133305.228a1690@gumby.homeunix.com> <8699AF5D2BE8E9EBCFFEEE17@192.168.1.50> <20140722222722.70f13ec9@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140724002912.5eda1757@gumby.homeunix.com> <98DFE7A36ED2EBA26E6C710C@192.168.1.50> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: krad To: Peter Giessel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:39:14 -0000 ah you meant i386 compatible not actual i386. My point still stands though. Unless you are scaling out there isnt much difference in costs in actual terms as i got an HP micro server on discount for =C2=A3120 with ram, and i= ts a far more capable machine than a p4. Yes it more expensive, but I would like to see the power requirements for that p4 vs the hp, as im pretty certain the running costs would eat up the margin fairly convincingly over a year or so. Even if it doesnt we are only talking about =C2=A350-60 difference, = which is well worth all the other benefits you get. On 29 July 2014 09:48, Peter Giessel wrote: > > On 2014, Jul 29, at 0:23, krad wrote: > > > you are correct, however if you can afford to put big drives like that > one > > a system you can afford to match up a far more modern cpu with the driv= es > > with a decent amount of ram. Something like the hp microserver is littl= e > > more than =C2=A3100 and is more than capable of handling zfs. 5-6 year = old 2nd > > had kit is as well and it probably cheaper. Also your going to have to > get > > pretty creative to get a modern sata/sas drive to work in an > ((e)*isa|mca) > > based board, which will nullify any cost saving of using decades old > > hardware. > > > That is simply not true. > > At our government surplus store, I can get Pentium 4 computers with 2 GB > of RAM for $25. They have SATA ports on the motherboard, so (2) 3TB SATA > Seagate ST3000DM001 are $99.99 each on Amazon right now with free shippin= g. > For under $250, I can put together redundant server with 3TB RAID 1 > storage. > > Assuming you mean ProLiant 712317-001 Ultra Micro Tower Server, those cos= t > around $400 with 2GB of RAM. 1GB/TB of RAM to storage, it will need more > RAM according to: > "A general rule of thumb is 1GB of RAM for every 1TB of storage.=E2=80=9D > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/filesystems-zfs.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 10:18:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A6C0A07; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (glebius.int.ru [81.19.69.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cell.glebius.int.ru", Issuer "cell.glebius.int.ru" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2A192682; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6TAI7u3030249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:18:07 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s6TAI67U030248; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:18:06 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebius.int.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:18:06 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Darren Pilgrim Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140729101806.GB89995@FreeBSD.org> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: "Kristian K. Nielsen" , Franco Fichtner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:18:26 -0000 Darren, On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 09:36:06PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: D> Never mistake silence for consent. D> D> The vast majority of people don't know pf is outdated and broken on D> FreeBSD because they don't know what they're missing and likely aren't D> using IPv6 yet. The moment you turn on IPv6 and restart a validating D> unbound, you run full-speed into pf's broken behaviour. Make an D> EDNS0-enabled query for a signed zone and you'll get a fragmented UDP D> packet that will never make it through unless you tell pf to allow all D> fragments unconditionally. They'll simply think something is wrong with D> unbound, turn off EDNS0 and/or validation, hurt peformance and/or D> security in the process, and never realize their firewall is doing D> literally the worst possible thing it could do. D> D> All because over half a decade ago some folks got all butthurt over a D> config file format change. Do I understand you right, that you propose a tens thousands lines of untrivial code bulk update in order to fix a particular bug, that can be nailed down separately? Do you also say that breaking configuration files for a large number of people is okay if the update is expected to fix a bug unrelated to configuration? For me sounds like hunting a sparrow with a cannon. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 10:35:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22A5ED5; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (glebius.int.ru [81.19.69.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cell.glebius.int.ru", Issuer "cell.glebius.int.ru" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 950092827; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6TAZD43030594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:35:13 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s6TAZDiR030593; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:35:13 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebius.int.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:35:13 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: "Mike." Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:35:16 -0000 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:30:59PM -0400, Mike. wrote: M> |> imho, the root problem here is that an effort to implement a M> single M> |> feature improvement (multi-threading) has caused the FreeBSD M> version M> |> of pf to apparently reach a near-unmaintainable position in the M> |> FreeBSD community because improvements from OpenBSD can no longer M> be M> |> ported over easily. FreeBSD's pf has been put in a virtual M> |> isolation chamber due to the multi-threaded enhancement. M> |> M> |> Was it worth it? M> | M> |Yes. This happened *three times* in BSD land now. How much more M> |proof does it take to make that clear? M> |[snip] M> M> In this instance, more proof would consist of pf development not M> wallowing in inactivity. M> M> imo, tactical changes were implemented in pf without the strategic M> negative consequences affecting the decision process guiding the M> implementation of those tactical features. And that's backwards. M> Strategies direct tactics, not vice versa. I would strongly disagree with you. I would claim that directions I've put in pf in 2012 are strategically correct, while previous life of pf in FreeBSD was not. History: pf appeared in FreeBSD in 2004 in 5.3-RELEASE. It was already outdated. It isn't possible otherwise. While Max spent time on porting some stable version, the OpenBSD moved forward. It was later updated again by Max, and again right after update it was outdated. I mean that people who a) believe that OpenBSD pf is the one true b) eager for bleeding edge version, these people simply cannot be satisfied. A porter needs to take latest stable version from OpenBSD and spend some time working on it. So, pf in FreeBSD was always "outdated", even before my SMP work on it. Further history: in 2012 Ermal updates pf and 9.0-RELEASE is shipped. In 2004 we've got 10 years of diverging developement between FreeBSD and OpenBSD. In 2012 it was 18 years. Porting got harder. The pf in 9.x is again outdated and introduces a number of bugs that were not present in 8.x (regressions). Most regressions didn't came from OpenBSD, but were artifacts of porting. Also, the number of #ifdefs in code became so unbearable that no one would want to go through code fixing bugs. In 2012 for me it was obvious that following this route is strategically incorrect. You are never "up to date". You need more efforts to port pf, and you yield in a port of worse and worse quality over time. So, in 2012 I put a lot of efforts to not only bring pf out of a single mutex, but also make it more native to FreeBSD. You can read this through commit logs. The net result is that we got our own pf, that can be maintained further. Unfortunately, still no person is seen on horizon who can take maintainership. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 11:02:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3051A93 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm47-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38BEB2ABF for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm47.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2014 10:59:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.242] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2014 10:59:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2014 10:59:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 798753.91054.bm@omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 89161 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2014 10:59:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1406631551; bh=jx1T4ACI7ut3e+g1sr5eOZPXmw1hMFQAgp0CTzdl9sg=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QYfdrjlN2GqJrR9WUGBvkWXFpK+MDLx+v45zEcBNZO25fu0Ee2I8vZR4euCL0o2qaxFQB7OBI9rJD9+pzUZAdVf1zuTaQwxYYW9hkP9DcO+rnvx2qUE5E69alonIs8EQRY+GZzyTrG/RCBQ+GGIQj04EXVCzA4Yd02rTZwJUmKY= X-YMail-OSG: 0rMCjgMVM1n.W48M8arXIgOsGn0fI1W_EuBrA3heIwokE.g N1MpbjbFh06gWCjXKhsAlVpLRkK6IV9Yhh0SI_oIT9cO.oQKFa8ZB5VEyN4E AH0edJPd4rq.lA2t0GVygmrNZCEdnBFTNweI97Mck6Imz6iziBFsg2hSHaMv iBUlCY3ByElJEDl6smFr6ATPX_w4uoe3.EQBudv7P_sD2rmzI2P9s.8J88lh kcNr9NbtKgr1S5moA_gGiO6RpiufYKYDpHn2drmSR8KHL1FKOOiG9MjBGxth sIJ9FqbUWq4n8dSvnTHdAW7kpzimbx8NIATnv4mgynIN9G97bZNQvjaYlbWS vgju_AwKvcRQl4S4gtt7k0nqvGzxaU2gXir5YNLV9zyXPz.l6Wf51CzbZAuh mI2A8Gnv8NIY_7029efMF3S2hKkiA51LLv_nO7EBnxep2v0uLc1HxN3YFH4t tsPv0Vl_dJDEcKun.09cE5BRd8nCAt7wI7NZuaajD0bcBu5rEvtTnozywqlH h7PNaAx.EPBtm2jat_TBkqF2WDt1PwDyIqzg9H9n3QAfw2O5k3veFJn68Vkn p0OnrOLwM0Y5vdLSdg7DW.av9i367PVW7v2AdhbyQXqKbOt4OCz5ORjoE38S onsaOlzrT1x9SaJwi3klAuHngkyY- Received: from [46.224.139.115] by web163004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 03:59:11 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, RGVhciBEcsKgIE1hdHRoZXcgLCAKCgpob3BlwqAgeW91IGFyZSBkb2luZyBmaW5lIGFuZMKgIHRoaW5ncyBnb2luZyB3ZWxsIHdpdGggeW91ICxhcyB3ZSBhbHdheXMgZmFjZWQgYW55IGlzc3VlIHdlIGNvbnRhY3QgeW91IGFuZCBnZXQgcmVhbGx5IHVzZWZ1bCBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiAuCgpzZWUsIGluIHRoZSBtb3JuaW5nIGkganVzdCBmaW5kIGZldyBpc3N1ZXMgcmVnYXJkaW5nIG91ciBzeXN0ZW0gQ1BVIG1hbm5lcnMgYW5kIHNlZW1zIGVycm9yIHNob3VsZCBub3QgY29tZXMgaW4gbm9ybWFsIGNvbmRpdGkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.196.685 References: <1340356289.73682.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FE448AF.5070906@FreeBSD.org> <1344523551.88887.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1344523941.96245.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5023D78D.6070404@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <1406631551.73297.YahooMailNeo@web163004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 03:59:11 -0700 From: dude golden Reply-To: dude golden Subject: Re: kernel panic To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <5023D78D.6070404@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:02:19 -0000 Dear Dr=A0 Matthew , =0A=0A=0Ahope=A0 you are doing fine and=A0 things goin= g well with you ,as we always faced any issue we contact you and get really= useful information .=0A=0Asee, in the morning i just find few issues regar= ding our system CPU manners and seems error should not comes in normal cond= itions . =0A=0A=0Aim=A0 using Free BSD version 8=A0 on a server and install= ing VOIP soft switch over it. could you please check the result that i get = today in the morning=A0 =0A=0A( i have to say that system was not over load= ed and working very smooth before and after this message )=A0=0A=0Ai can se= e the following errors in /var/log/messages=0A=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss ke= rnel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0000680000f0005=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kern= el: MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000c09, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJul 2= 9 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, APIC I= D 0=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: CPU 0 COR (26) OVER internal par= ity error=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0x900000400= 00f0005=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000c0= 9, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Vendo= r "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, APIC ID 2=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel:= MCA: CPU 2 COR (1) internal parity error=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel:= MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0000700000f0005=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: M= CA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000c09, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJul 29 08:= 31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, APIC ID 4= =0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: CPU 4 COR (28) OVER internal parity= error=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0000740000f= 0005=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000c09, = Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Vendor "= GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, APIC ID 6=0AJul 29 08:31:40 smartss kernel: MC= A: CPU 6 COR (29) OVER internal parity error=0A=0A=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smarts= s kernel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0000ec0000f0005=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss = kernel: MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000c09, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJ= ul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, AP= IC ID 0=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: CPU 0 COR (59) OVER internal= parity error=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0000= 0c0000f0005=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Global Cap 0x00000000000= 00c09, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: V= endor "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, APIC ID 2=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss ker= nel: MCA: CPU 2 COR (3) OVER internal parity error=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smarts= s kernel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0001700000f0005=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss = kernel: MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000c09, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJ= ul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, AP= IC ID 4=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: CPU 4 COR (92) OVER internal= parity error=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xd0000= dc0000f0005=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: Global Cap 0x00000000000= 00c09, Status=0A0x0000000000000000=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss kernel: MCA: V= endor "GenuineIntel", ID=0A0x306c3, APIC ID 6=0AJul 29 09:31:40 smartss ker= nel: MCA: CPU 6 COR (55) OVER internal parity error=0A=0A=0Aplease tell me = your thought , =0A=0A=0Aregards =0A=0A=0Ashahram =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thurs= day, 9 August 2012, 19:00, Matthew Seaman wrote:=0A = =0A=0A=0AOn 09/08/2012 15:52, dude golden wrote:=0A> hope my email find you= well,first of all thank you very much for your=0A> grate response always i= n answering my emails, now i am using freeBSD=0A> 8.3 in a Intel corI5 serv= er with 12 G of RAM and 500 G HDD sata .we=0A> have a voip soft switch appl= ication installed on it and do=0A> telecommunication business, yesterday ni= ght we experience a strange=0A> kernel panic and our server hanged, just co= ntact collocation as asked=0A> for physical reboot,=0A=0A> in attached, you= can find screen shot of rebooting the server . i=0A> really thank full if = you take a look and advise me any update.=0A=0AThe freebsd-questions@ proba= bly won't have seen the screen shot, but it=0Ashowed me that the problem wa= s in ffs_blkfree, ie. that the system=0Apanicked because of filesystem corr= uption.=0A=0AUnfortunately you haven't enabled a dump device, so no more de= tailed=0Adebugging info will be available.=A0 There's not a huge amount tha= t can be=0Adetermined just from the panic screen unfortunately.=0A=0AHoweve= r, in terms of general advice:=0A=0A=A0 * You need to ensure that there is = no lingering filesystem corruption=0Awhich could trigger a repeat.=A0 Reboo= t the system into single user mode,=0Aand then run:=0A=0A=A0 =A0 fsck -fy /= dev/ad7s4a=0A=0Aetc. for all the devices listed in /etc/fstab or elsewhere = that have=0Aactive filesystems on them.=A0 Run fsck like that repeatedly fo= r each=0Apartition until it says 'filesystem clean.'=0A=0A=A0 * Enable syst= em dumps, so if this happens again, there is more to go=0Aon.=A0 Just add:= =0A=0Adumpdev=3D"AUTO"=0A=0Ato /etc/rc.conf and reboot.=0A=0A=A0 * The prob= lem could well be due to disk malfunction, or maybe=0Asomething as trivial = as a loose or kinked data cable leading to the=0Adrive, or overheating.=A0 = Powering the machine down, opening the case and=0Achecking for any obvious = problems would be a good idea.=A0 Also, check the=0Asystem logs to see if t= here are any kernel messages indicating non-fatal=0Atrouble.=A0 Install the= sysutils/smartmontools port and use that to get a=0Ahealth report on the d= rive:=0A=0A=A0 smartctl=A0 -A /dev/ad7=0A=0A=A0 * It seems you don't have = any sort of hard drive resilience set up.=0AIf this server is important for= your business, then using mirrored hard=0Adrives is just plain common sens= e.=A0 If there's room in the chassis,=0Asimply adding another drive identic= al to the one you have and setting up=0Agmirror RAID should be fairly simpl= e and will offer adequate levels of=0Aprotection against such failures.=0A= =0A=0A=0A-- =0ADr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.=0APGP: http://www.infracanin= ophile.co.uk/pgpkey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 13:29:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D168E60F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22e.google.com (mail-qa0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8221A2FA6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id v10so9425406qac.33 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:29:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-type; bh=HLUDs/af4R5Ch3LYgxNiRDADz+N4FjFkNqtWnym56/U=; b=A+9zuW52zEmpWSijMPVvHdClqNKeVRAGabnXeSHC82RPJi8fD0tUmszDZ/uiBHTQFZ 4ELcTtVK5zppBw/0sIOSxA8Gnm1AK/xJIpSF+2bI0abvvUhV6IyAO5/sHdiB90O6WUpv OpQHq0ebz2DFzHvEwD/rUgDUy3sEQCI23cH+I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=HLUDs/af4R5Ch3LYgxNiRDADz+N4FjFkNqtWnym56/U=; b=VdRrywzAxS9xLrYyZ799Rioebg1wQx2xYOx/0ncycP7wJ3aqSOVoPH5AXEWY48lSED N3TkWPOzlLrdmxHU2dcv9Jzkp8g1S+pArSHRBeepaJ/6Imf400XkeKDN1Ld2nksCIpYV oP58PC0F6b2j9fEv99XpMb7FZSa4ilFnXnrjJ7I6NdR4/IRFn+oIP5adtDT91wZUXJaB OhsB1jzsujSJeo+OvIpZQf1wVjZP8IsXA1VA7/mGjc1MccCC9G8DGsrBYsDd3P1tpzo9 q//RjDw1FyiY+T4y5pEyiONB7kAVSomupELNAzMI8+rIQZ2BD3hlw5G6ZFvr03G44LPx c0pA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnfK1GqkTNNYc4/b0z/8KMZckkiq4tWi0I9pqSbjqKRCv2M1UUrsKRPqbBAQZYU8xO8/ATQ X-Received: by 10.224.11.212 with SMTP id u20mr3569177qau.82.1406640589690; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g4sm35362955qay.6.2014.07.29.06.29.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3hMzJX24LPz3DlVT for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:29:41 -0400 From: Jerry To: User questions Subject: Lost Desktop Settings Message-ID: <20140729092941.6f479ecf@scorpio> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/jhso9q4.6tP/PRxhV_2e7G2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:29:52 -0000 --Sig_/jhso9q4.6tP/PRxhV_2e7G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:27:18 -0400 Running Platform Version 4.12.5 on FreeBSD-10, I accidentally hit the "WIN" key and the "S" key simultaneously. I immediately lost my desktop. How do I= go about getting it back. I really do not want to have to recreate all of those icons I had placed there, etcetera manually. I cannot seem to find any thing on this via Google. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/jhso9q4.6tP/PRxhV_2e7G2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT16HLAAoJEElTsHIJnX8e+GMIAMp9hqqEas//FV4AhOZiC7b6 gEQi1tZJN555z22Qbhy9hESNoLBbF7W6LyBgGGT1PDZiHBMsxvl4+IgX/qivh7vM Ii2r1MZC6ZF6F2lely1mGMIvsykVyvYevZdku18MO2XW4TbqaSN5nYsm2WDB4leI kZ6M40ljN2923g8DvLG/FIKebMMcKfm3eUZaEMJ21dBwRNpTtVPtYebTIqVmpZ2s FUDNMXTWaDiuSrXH1HcnxyzmBwJkP8wCUuaKTqvlKDAj9Fed70pHLdbvWfPQV7Ff fkmKVOd22zHwIrue+OjiY2r84D6XocsLEOJMu3M1ZO0HTU08yyYwp2+/iFxO3YM= =R8M7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jhso9q4.6tP/PRxhV_2e7G2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 16:01:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E559D40 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f46.google.com (mail-qa0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFCE321B2 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id v10so9693609qac.33 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=k1N3fFmJjcNIdiewYbi6po8JvBMm2tdmr8jiqxq6USw=; b=AP5f7xBfRgjdTNDI48OQEUowNDE50v+lviZGAF1FNuy5qyWIWXTaam4kZP37e9ubYK RgobHRt9PIHpQ0XXAu1x4eU97+5/0ZJ5nZ0Qyy+I7AHgYXVs/LEfj6HQH4RNgLUjXuq4 k2o72OCvCQKXqtRO7oKy/usdive0/NZZH7awk7Nk09kEpQBiwXD8Tlpazr/GK0FYfGnO 4XBbRAcdsgBvnoMvavhT35i9MJ7icXvyIMrCcADV/6Pmo79cMXGQ8BAExdfatuvB+8/c HMjwIreGDRxdvWhiIjhZ/v31Mi6zmcsgQQz4Y37YAnYEoBVAhnWYCf+B1k4RdZ4QcmDi J1XA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlUCE8xySKTOyJY2V9ZcX5TUddUJhy8CgZwQ255J9G3aiB5nW8FULO4jwMk+AlJlGapq3PF X-Received: by 10.224.171.197 with SMTP id i5mr4929771qaz.55.1406649697752; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u1sm36026078qat.27.2014.07.29.09.01.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <201407290827.s6T8RCrl014461@sdf.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:01:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5BBEA547-A284-4685-8F2F-4BC3401BC1CA@kraus-haus.org> References: <201407290827.s6T8RCrl014461@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:01:46 -0000 On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:27, Scott Bennett wrote: > I want to set up a couple of software-based RAID devices across > identically sized partitions on several disks. At first I thought = that > gvinum's raid5 would be the way to go, but now that I have finally = found > and read some information about raidz, I am unsure which to choose. = My > current, and possibly wrong, understanding about the two methods' most > important features (to me, at least) can be summarized as follows. Disclaimer, I have experience with ZFS but not your other alternative. https://www.listbox.com/subscribe/?listname=3Dzfs@lists.illumos.org > raid5 raidz >=20 > Has parity checking, but any parity Has parity checking = *and* > errors identified are assumed to be frequently spaced = checksums ZFS checksums all data for errors. If there is redundancy (mirror, raid, = copies > 1) ZFS will transparently repair damaged data (but increment = the =93checksum=94 error count so you can know via the zpool status = command that you *are* hitting errors). > Can be expanded by the addition of more Can only be = expanded by > spindles via a "gvinum grow" operation. replacing all = components with > larger components. The = number All ZFS devices are derived from what are called top level vdevs = (virtual devices). The data is striped across all of the top level = vdevs. Each vdev may be composed of a single drive. mirror, or raid (z1, = z2, or z3). So you can create a mixed zpool (not recommended for a = variety of reasons) with a different type of vdev for each vdev. The way = to expand any ZFS zpool is to add additional vdevs (beyond the replace = all drives in a single vdev and then grow to fill the new drives). So = you can create a zpool with one raidz1 vdev and then later add a second = raidz1 vdev. Or more commonly, start with a mirror vdev and then add a = second, third, fourth (etc.) mirror vdev. It is this two tier structure that is one of ZFSes strengths. It is also = a feature that is not well understood. > Does not support migration to any other Does not support = migration > RAID levels or their equivalents. between raidz levels, = even by Correct. Once you have created a vdev, that vdev must remain the same = type. You can add mirrors to a mirror vdev, but you cannot add drives or = change raid level to raidz1, raidz2, or raidz3 vdevs. > Does not support additional parity Supports one (raidz2) or = two > dimensions a la RAID6. (raidz3) = additional parity ZFS parity is handled slightly differently than for traditional raid-5 = (as well as the striping of data / parity blocks). So you cannot just = count on loosing 1, 2, or 3 drives worth of space to parity. See Matt = Ahren=92s Blog entry here = http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/ for (probably) = more data on this than you want :-) And here = https://docs.google.com/a/delphix.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf4qx1aMJp8Lo_R6gpT6= 89wTjHv6CGVElrPqTA0w_ZY/edit?pli=3D1#gid=3D2126998674 is his spreadsheet = that relates space lost due to parity to number of drives in raidz vdev = and data block size (yes, the amount of space lost to parity caries with = data block, not configured filesystem block size!). There is a separate = tab for each of RAIDz1, RAIDz2, and RAIDz3. > Fast performance because each block Slower performance = because each > is on a separate spindle from the block is spread across = all > from the previous and next blocks. spindles a la RAID3, so = many > simultaneous I/O = operations are > required for each block. ZFS performance is never that simple as I/O is requested from the drive = in parallel. Unless you are saturating the controller you should be able = to keep all the drive busy at once. Also note that ZFS does NOT suffer = the RAID-5 read-modify-write penalty on writes as every write is a new = write to disk (there is no modification of existing disk blocks), this = is referred to as being Copy On Write (COW). > ----------------------- > I hoped to start with a minimal number of components and = eventually > add more components to increase the space available in the raid5 or = raidz > devices. Increasing their sizes that way would also increase the = total > percentage of space in the devices devoted to data rather than parity, = as > well as improving the performance enhancement of the striping. For = various > reasons, having to replace all component spindles with larger-capacity > components is not a viable method of increasing the size of the raid5 = or > raidz devices in my case. That would appear to rule out raidz. Yup. > OTOH, the very large-capacity drives available in the last two or > three years appear not to be very reliable(*) compared to older drives = of > 1 TB or smaller capacities. gvinum's raid5 appears not to offer good > protection against, nor any repair of, damaged data blocks. Yup. Unless you use ZFS plan on suffering silent data corruption due to = the uncorrectable (and undetectable by the drive) error rate off of = large drives. All drives suffer uncorrectable errors, read errors that = the drive itself does not realize are errors. With traditional = filesystems this bad data is returned to the OS and in some cases may = cause a filesystem panic and in others just bad data returned to the = application. This is one of the HUGE benefits of ZFS, it catches those = errors. > Thanks to three failed external drives and > apparently not fully reliable replacements, compounded by a bad ports > update two or three months ago, I have no functioning X11 and no space > set up any longer in which to build ports to fix the X11 problem, so I > really want to get the disk situation settled ASAP. Trying to keep = track > of everything using only syscons and window(1) is wearing my patience > awfully thin. My home server is ZFS only and I have 2 drives mirrored for the OS and 5 = drives in a raidz2 for data with one hot spare. I have suffered 3 drive = failures (all Seagate), two of which took the four drives in my external = enclosure offline (damn sata port multipliers). I have had NO data loss = or corruption! I started like you, wanting to have some drives and add more later. I = started with a pair of 1TB drives mirrored, then added a second pair to = double my capacity. The problem with 2-way mirrors is that the MTTDL = (Mean Time To Data Loss) is much lower than with RAIDz2, with similar = cost in spec for a 4 disk configuration. After I had a drive fail in the = mirror configuration, I ordered a replacement and crossed my fingers = that the other half to *that* mirror would not fail (the pairs of drives = in the mirrors were the same make / model bought at the same time =85 = not a good bet for reliability). When I got the replacement drive(s) I = took some time and rebuilt my configuration to better handle growth and = reliability by going from a 4 disk 2-way mirror configuration to a 5 = disk RAIDz2. I went from net about 2TB to net about 3TB capacity and a = hot spare. If being able to easily grow capacity is the primary goal I would go = with a 2-way mirror configuration and always include a hot spare (so = that *when* a drive fails it immediately starts resilvering (the ZFS = term for syncing) the vdev). Then you can simple add pairs of drives to = add capacity. Just make sure that the hot spare is at least as large as = the largest drive in use. When you buy drives, always buy from as many = different manufacturers and models as you can. I just bought four 2TB = drives for my backup server. One is a WD, the other 3 are HGST but they = are four different model drives, so that they did not come off the same = production line on the same week as each other. If I could have I would = have gotten four different manufacturers. I also only buy server class = (rated for 24x7 operation with 5 year warranty) drives. The additional = cost has been offset by the savings due to being able to have a failed = drive replaced under warranty. > (*) [Last year I got two defective 3 TB drives in a row from Seagate. Wow, the only time I have seen that kind of failure rate was buying from = Newegg when they were packing them badly. > I ended up settling for a 2 TB Seagate that is still running fine = AFAIK. > While that process was going on, I bought three 2 TB Seagate drives in > external cases with USB 3.0 interfaces, two of which failed outright > after about 12 months and have been replaced with two refurbished = drives > under warranty. Yup, they all replace failed drives with refurb. As a side note, on my home server I have had 6 Seagate ES.2 or ES.3 = drives, 2 HGST UltraStar drives, and 2 WD RE4 in service on my home = server. I have had 3 of the Seagates fail (and one of the Seagate = replacements has failed, still under warranty). I have not had any HGST = or WD drives fail (and they both have better performance than the = Seagates). This does not mean that I do not buy Seagate drives. I spread = my purchases around, keeping to the 24x7 5 year warranty drives and = followup when I have a failure. > While waiting for those replacements to arrive, I bought > a 2 TB Samsung drive in an external case with a USB 3.0 interface. I > discovered by chance that copying very large files to these drives is = an > error-prone process. I would suspect the USB 3.0 layer problem, but that is just a guess. > A roughly 1.1 TB file on the one surviving external > Seagate drive from last year's purchase of three, when copied to the > Samsung drive, showed no I/O errors during the copy operation. = However, > a comparison check using "cmp -l -z originalfile copyoforiginal" shows > quite a few places where the contents don't match. ZFS would not tolerate those kinds of errors. On reading the file ZFS = would know via the checksum that the file was bad. > The same procedure > applied to one of the refurbished Seagates gives similar results, = although > the locations and numbers of differing bytes are different from those = on > the Samsung drive. The same procedure applied to the other = refurbished > drive resulted in a good copy the first time, but a later repetition = ended > up with a copied file that differed from the original by a single bit = in > each of two widely separated places in the files. These problems have > raised the priority of a self-healing RAID device in my mind. Self healing RAID will be of little help=85 See more below > I have to say that these are new experiences to me. The disk = drives, > controllers, etc. that I grew up with all had parity checking in the = hardware, > including the data encoded on the disks, so single-bit errors anywhere = in > the process showed up as hardware I/O errors instantly. If the errors = were > not eliminated during a limited number of retries, they ended up as = permanent > I/O errors that a human would have to resolve at some point. What controllers and drives? I have never seen a drive that does NOT = have uncorrectable errors (these are undetectable by the drive). I have = also never seen a controller that checksums the data. The controllers = rely on the drive to report errors. If the drive does not report an = error, then the controller trusts the data. The big difference is that with drives under 1TB the odds of running = into an uncorrectable error over the life of the drive is very, very = small. The uncorrectable error rate does NOT scale down as the drives = scale up. It has been stable at 1 in 10e-14 (for cheap drives) to 1 in = 10e-15 (for good drives) for over the past 10 years (when I started = looking at that drive spec). So if the rate is not changing and the = total amount of data written / read over the life of the drive join up = by, in some cases, orders of magnitude, the real world occurrence of = such errors is increasing. > FWIW, I also discovered that I cannot run two such multi-hour-long > copy operations in parallel using two separate pairs of drives. = Running > them together seems to go okay for a while, but eventually always = results > in a panic. This is on 9.2-STABLE (r264339). I know that that is not = up > to date, but I can't do anything about that until my disk hardware = situation > is settled.] I have had mixed luck with large copy operations via USB on Freebsd 9.x = Under 9.1 I have found it to be completely unreliable. With 9.2 I have = managed without too many errors. USB really does not seem to be a good = transport for large quantities of data at fast rates. See my rant on USB = hubs here: http://pk1048.com/usb-beware/ -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 16:08:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77F4BE4D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f54.google.com (mail-qg0-f54.google.com [209.85.192.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B2A72201 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z60so10667115qgd.41 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Mdd9jkwIvoBcPgzHBnpgUOOmKkhcVv7OS6DT1Y4gkwk=; b=PIYjP1Q+YeLHn1iFsDnCgrxDzjnam3Z+DRKOlAoO+f9ULpQJ0WRHI9VnnZdt/Y3dtv B3KRfkbchdb5/HBLH2ZC+8Etpkipb+dHLvtHV5kbz79ocem08h+htpM7wFDvrE1sa4oN 9QlFv130Pe3xBTy1GMoc2iHWoAqyR+r3nEyw3XIZZ+UVaSmxaLmIskA+1nNOs2/rYJ3A ryoInvZOtoN8zdsBtJb6/qUkxV+W5UNCMqwN8JMTFtYVAAaI44QOl7EvP4JgcDvghbtG ukygBGlCVhEQPoo13gbily730BUg436eRh+sWhvALAjT+3QWIbNaWljox5vj9HiR4n2K qctQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmg50PKgX9AwTqtbifWJ5Ypt2QsX6yNj7zRCblU5h5EcHmnTP2n49TPqZ8raRvMZ3aH7PLL X-Received: by 10.140.101.86 with SMTP id t80mr4514616qge.91.1406650074555; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a6sm20747693qaa.32.2014.07.29.09.07.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:07:53 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <055DBC99-E2BB-4B45-96EB-2D79C067F7EF@kraus-haus.org> References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140722133305.228a1690@gumby.homeunix.com> <8699AF5D2BE8E9EBCFFEEE17@192.168.1.50> <20140722222722.70f13ec9@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140724002912.5eda1757@gumby.homeunix.com> <98DFE7A36ED2EBA26E6C710C@192.168.1.50> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:08:01 -0000 >> Assuming you mean ProLiant 712317-001 Ultra Micro Tower Server, those = cost >> around $400 with 2GB of RAM. 1GB/TB of RAM to storage, it will need = more >> RAM according to: >> "A general rule of thumb is 1GB of RAM for every 1TB of storage.=94 >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/filesystems-zfs.html That is an overly generic recommendation. For the ZFS ARC to be of any = real use you really need a minimum of 2GB RAM. The 1GB per 1TB = recommendation is a bastardization of the recommendation from the = ZFS-List. If you enable Dedupe it should really be a REQUIREMENT to have = 1GB FRRE RAM for each 1TB of NET storage. Having said that, the more RAM you can throw at ZFS (and the ARC) the = better off you will be for any configuration. It all depends on your = workload. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 16:37:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D997B7B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fishmael.dslx.net (fishmael.dslx.net [216.22.80.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C947E2623 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjmmfg.com ([63.161.157.114]) by fishmael.dslx.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s6TG7cau009458 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:07:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Alexander Mijares" Reply-To: alex@mjmmfg.com To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE:Sheet Metal Fabricator X-Mailer: SendBlaster.1.6.2 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:37:37 -0400 Message-ID: <406862267824147021143@st98> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:37:57 -0000 Good Morning =20 I wanted to follow up and just touch base with you, to see if you have any = new or forthcoming sheetmetal or machining RFQ's that we may be able to ass= it you with=3F Anything you can send our way is greatly appreciated.=20 =20 Have a fantastic day!=20 =20 =20 http://www.instagram.com/sheetMetalFab =20 =20 Sincerely and Respectfully, Alexander Mijares C.O.O ITAR registered ISO 9001:2008 DBE CERTIFIED =20 M J M Manufacturing Inc. 5205 NW 161 Street Miami, FL. 33014 ----------------------- 305 / 620-2020 305 / 625-3342 fax Email: Alex@mjmmfg.com Website: www.mjmmfg.com http://www.mjmmfg.com/mjm-brochure.pdf=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 17:59:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BDC6949 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.me.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL SGC CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 071662F46 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.163] ([24.237.133.115]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N9G00G91TT5GP60@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:48:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-29_02:2014-07-28,2014-07-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407290110 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: Peter Giessel In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 00:48:40 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140722133305.228a1690@gumby.homeunix.com> <8699AF5D2BE8E9EBCFFEEE17@192.168.1.50> <20140722222722.70f13ec9@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140724002912.5eda1757@gumby.homeunix.com> <98DFE7A36ED2EBA26E6C710C@192.168.1.50> To: krad X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:59:43 -0000 On 2014, Jul 29, at 0:23, krad wrote: > you are correct, however if you can afford to put big drives like that = one > a system you can afford to match up a far more modern cpu with the = drives > with a decent amount of ram. Something like the hp microserver is = little > more than =A3100 and is more than capable of handling zfs. 5-6 year = old 2nd > had kit is as well and it probably cheaper. Also your going to have to = get > pretty creative to get a modern sata/sas drive to work in an = ((e)*isa|mca) > based board, which will nullify any cost saving of using decades old > hardware. That is simply not true. At our government surplus store, I can get Pentium 4 computers with 2 GB = of RAM for $25. They have SATA ports on the motherboard, so (2) 3TB = SATA Seagate ST3000DM001 are $99.99 each on Amazon right now with free = shipping. For under $250, I can put together redundant server with 3TB = RAID 1 storage. Assuming you mean ProLiant 712317-001 Ultra Micro Tower Server, those = cost around $400 with 2GB of RAM. 1GB/TB of RAM to storage, it will = need more RAM according to: "A general rule of thumb is 1GB of RAM for every 1TB of storage.=94 https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/filesystems-zfs.html= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 18:15:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6902F22 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ED54212A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w62so39639wes.15 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fmhKsMsnRTilaiP0wWVvOSsMQnozSg23mCDbEQQBNpA=; b=yhFLrlCHuVcLBiflLJcaOK8Oul0xQS7d3QjCdcNfdHVh2PsxGX7Vu0QA36SNgt441M saATZMMVjC+Iq0M/43ZC/GNosvtvg/G/Tj/MoBtTGZHBDNtfTREUa6tgOCrgn14w+4d+ gHhTURg5bv/yxELGETHCk5ydnZFck+b+rnvnLRBDgO+6qGS6QFNhvTUANRKQi8DGGxB5 pvruJsdVu6c/CbCeum4TQzhbFT3ht5SLhkwDTByLIwKaKC6aYMm63BCFUK7ZycWHQ2wV FT5YqP/PR8jzVyDaDosqwLaCYUSwMp2MEkd0NEBw9xKF0WcsKe5vXacph3qaoOszmylq CV3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.7.167 with SMTP id k7mr5668289wja.11.1406657711451; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.8.129 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:15:14 -0000 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 08:51:17PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > > > I tried mounting some things listed under /dev but that didn't work. > > I'm not sure what partition /boot is on. > > Generally, /boot is on the root partition. > It depends on what partitioning scheme PCBSD used. It is probably either > /dev/ada0p2 (using GPT partitioning) or /dev/ada0s1a (MBR partitions). > > I don't see anything like that in dev. Here's some of what is under /dev ad4 ada0 agpgart ... da0 da1 da2 ... md0 md10 md2 md6 pcbsd# mount /dev/ada0 /media mount: /dev/ada0: Invalid argument pcbsd# mount /dev/da0 /media mount: /dev/da0: Device not configured -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 18:53:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C2BC54 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43DDA259E for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6TIrbUV033883; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:53:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BB76D123BC; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:53:37 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:53:41 -0000 --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 01:15:11PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 08:51:17PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > > > > > I tried mounting some things listed under /dev but that didn't work. > > > I'm not sure what partition /boot is on. > > > > Generally, /boot is on the root partition. > > It depends on what partitioning scheme PCBSD used. It is probably either > > /dev/ada0p2 (using GPT partitioning) or /dev/ada0s1a (MBR partitions). > > > > > I don't see anything like that in dev. Here's some of what is under /dev Any chance you can copy/paste a complete listing of /dev? Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT1+2xAAoJEED21dyjijPg/8IP/RJMosBbV9Zw9wju2KTemNiO 4CrbLX0UgLmGhnUsh/FYlstK5e1uSgvaxjfpkuatM+YLiY/pkeJRrjXGEmV+KO/x Zm6zC82cJJgD8zv9YvDAMIx+dQlK+fkPegCqsPrUyNYTnBcfcsXE7qR2At81W4zp MIhQ3JTyiDzO6MSm5hct2lwlNu68bh2FMF5SnNNByZA2pVmyYryu/i3C/8/qjqmS F2XdzopRPG0stDWWdoZH+pkntQ5+CWhJTVdILo5h2AJnTDdRZqZJadmaoZAxJtAW EcxuQCt44sGB84Z64yx+TBnYCK1ddvsFWmBYphpbDtao7tPVB618LcjVGwau3Pmj 8vWyLWjCVn8oHE0ER3E3h7h8T/fJBp7u85pq0yeEIvf2XCaMHQND5dvNYpLgsk24 NRg9xt50he8JoKv2uQ9+55kLQqwghROhHBDXtc3x2gUZQ2p+6UmGmZp/PPCfdUA2 kgrgsZv96K8aUGESOkgoU3bdCgY5kfC2vQw/XDe7/LFpVPpUhhSJqvKi7d4PJPdv G6L4XeN/cfBe5TXDBchty+/F8vaEq7sAJBK0LdPHgYSwF+1HLEbTVXhVNEiOHiBB mO7ozTiX4wVLr8e4g59+AlVRRVGn6tzcYO7BMRimVuAoBuFaDKHE7jdGwQj5UGJQ 3juSOTU5Q3KVUE62nhkc =XWWf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 18:57:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B38DD31 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B97125C2 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6TIvOx5036099; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:57:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DE942123BC; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:57:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:57:23 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Charlie Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... Message-ID: <20140729185723.GB5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Charlie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DBIVS5p969aUjpLe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:57:28 -0000 --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:20:16PM +0000, Charlie wrote: > Hello list! >=20 > I'm running 10-RELEASE x64, and all of a sudden I can't seem to install= =20 > any packages. >=20 > No matter which package I attempt to install, the result is similar: Don't know if it is related, but there has been some breakage in pkg lately. Version 1.3.3 has hit the ports tree just now. You might want to try and install that from ports. If you build from ports, it uses the newly-built pkg-static inside the port for installation, so it should work. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT1+6TAAoJEED21dyjijPg6RIP/jV+4uV64aBOXACoHCpVrupE L6Rt/2noOZNZ/xlDxtsOQLAB7pukOpru19m9xI7e/3696IV+UlS4+A8rdZJMuFqu gywjpLNaxA2th5Jd6He5lUc9vEpYBXk8X7Zr1B0A7S4fPU/OSiwE1yf9yAmOenWB a2jicI1j4A6PxyMnboDsMDlRigmS2e9y2unSrSZ2MEtnROnpnNEbc/JiL+bqQbpn OfvuvY+sy7dQcPFeUPxZPAV5HzpDqnspqyd/e8uXbx+9qQ56Li0+w+Sf75+x7qnQ 5yI5lRpcxLdtWqcJJhai+yznZnqJDNHGMmsfdednT41+F4u72B1Dkd7hs8ETaoc6 NHWvJ7JxwdTy4bYo1T0eYW3GaciLncZAemlUDlwhlvA8AJspfmiULnrQiBEd5jR+ 11g6glm7zT3sJVF1ActZ7Z144CdAldmRCg6FBwX1z5sVDIcMszXF4eeQVps/ovsF kW1Byn0jxez0nv5vDGCq49sWuKCye9GmupDXSaH52lOJwWr5itrtEDt4aGuAnxSO wCL3LKz/WeJbjDZ3Fw2JoMMHq3rAlO9xmbc3yKaxey94RwsJ99bBjWTvVaROSqqd 9JPHiuVwUG0c06R89Szq7Xp2gYpL+0wzNkzwZQr60D0ggbQM2Sk4ockXn5qc7Gsv O97qT3mSWLDiXF5LWSQr =ieiU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:04:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3FF1FCC for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22c.google.com (mail-ie0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A53A426A4 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id lx4so102943iec.3 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:04:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2Mlhi70NkCotDHFiKBKoSdCAh3EfHTSsSpA5amIyTWc=; b=l2rAakECLbX7zpR+n2b3fPVl3XGO3heHniFbG6JodhLyxm6aMeVa6lr4QBMdqtiz1h x8e5oFCrWAALh4iNtvIvlU2M1yTq3qzAM5qFupfHNF9l1ZUdf0Mq0Lc6szmyWh9he+TD 1cqpnngfqTgUZCV/G+p5c/BekkuR0w4sy5i87H5GLPyIElf6BYjnW2KmDl0qxuhopWNt VBS+3P13vipkW8Xti4YOHsD5XlAO46w14F5NGSG+fkmvROyEbB4EH0poQ71I25DigM/H VyrzVhOsFg7aieZTzKi8hqG5c84ubIDFio9On0RwVntR1i5ICyYykyDmtpUUaLObprYH K9Lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.43.202 with SMTP id y10mr45831350igl.10.1406660658882; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.165.73 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:04:18 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: l9PA8FJ6rqno1yGaAvIPEnet9sk Message-ID: Subject: Build Ports Without X11? From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:04:20 -0000 Hi all, I am using Poudriere to bulk build packages and encountered a failure that resulted in the program skipping a couple ports. The failure occurred due to an X11 error. However, the expectation is that all ports would build without X11 thus negating the need to compile and build all the X11 dependancies for various packages. Despite the make.conf (shown below) specifying WITHOUT_X11, all these ports built with X11 support anyway. I'm pretty sure I must be doing something wrong and hoping that someone might be able to lead me to the solution that will compile any port without X11 support. Packages failed/skipped: gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.22: failed gtk2-2.24.22_3: skipped due to above failure vim-7.4.364: skipped due to above failure make.conf: # cat 10_0-amd64-make.conf WITH_PKGNG=YES PERL_VERSION=5.16.3 WITHOUT_X11=YES -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:05:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A5D2EE for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C205026B5 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6TJ5mga041482; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:05:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F28CD12342; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:05:47 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: User questions Subject: Re: Lost Desktop Settings Message-ID: <20140729190547.GC5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: User questions , Jerry References: <20140729092941.6f479ecf@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140729092941.6f479ecf@scorpio> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Jerry X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:05:51 -0000 --7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 09:29:41AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:27:18 -0400 >=20 > Running Platform Version 4.12.5 on FreeBSD-10, This is KDE, right? > I accidentally hit the "WIN" key and the "S" key simultaneously. I > immediately lost my desktop. How do I go about getting it back. I really = do > not want to have to recreate all of those icons I had placed there, etcet= era > manually. I cannot seem to find any thing on this via Google. According to the sources I've been able to find[1][2][3], Win+s is not a standard KDE shortcut. Any chance you have defined something yourself? You could try =E2=80=9CCtrl + Alt + D=E2=80=9D (show desktop). [1]: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_KDE/Shortcuts [2]: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/47 [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_keyboard_shortcuts Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT1/CLAAoJEED21dyjijPgds4QAIos8OMS4oJnamECATfVb7lA ehC9eQDWIqCGJaZZadV0XBJAuscSxx3kFtvH/jbL0GU9sWn+Ue26eYk4gpLn5u/A Iz9RZq3H2SQjT0FVYt19MNOi/FutyJxDL84rb8p9xNp96KBZV+fd5Jjbf9IYkmVm k/kO3UhpQUn7BsSVZbNjj/81v1c/BqAnc+s+uxsUouuzUbX2XlEAmU9Knbpyl67E RsQcWPYDGqSSpQiAKYn9clYGr2SOHw1hlNE2XN10IjFGH/RbAUykgXrPdnoGKNsU 32V9lJaes64HXvibl1QDq+WEA7JvOgyBNNa54RiwjnlFeTZiO3FFBfdCyR+6g6rq 6A95xYoTR4lD6Ctvh8R5tchSS8CrKOddw7pyHYeYMDgZjvIzayq6FhbZoT/UH1vC Dv++5eSItf2bFfKbv3cXS1qqTbtgv8i6X3n4ifQ6irKEwU1FCfl+uLF8dLkmBaMt UTi2xPsZEJIadqQ0kOhRu7uZe6AoPTaQU1t2AUy7qO7r3pqbhSQ5y/NIvandyuhk xsRTk+AoVFOemrYr6EIZ5Fk5YzJF0pKndQu4Cq/p0pnhCQiPkrF17zhT/YTSSON+ ehRTWC9Oe0rJd8Ow/qrJcVgSfzOpV8NXdPzBwLboyDwTYf0iVFpD+Q+eGgDahCLK qMHIsJwizJpw0LkcQ0zI =AIrc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:18:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1276C569 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from forward10l.mail.yandex.net (forward10l.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1819::a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Certum Level IV CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5DBF27F6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3h.mail.yandex.net (smtp3h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.186.20]) by forward10l.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 08C35BA4309; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:18:40 +0400 (MSK) Received: from smtp3h.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 8CB9F1B40968; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:18:40 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 46.38.39.2.tel.ru (46.38.39.2.tel.ru [46.38.39.2]) by smtp3h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id MXWZVpVtOe-IeeuSDej; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:18:40 +0400 (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Yandex-Uniq: 9d581b14-f454-4770-97b5-630425c5c836 Message-ID: <53D7F38F.9030808@passap.ru> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:18:39 +0400 From: Boris Samorodov Organization: =?UTF-8?B?0JfQkNCeICLQktCQ0KDQoiI=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Miller , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Build Ports Without X11? References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:18:45 -0000 29.07.2014 23:04, Rick Miller пишет: > Hi all, > > I am using Poudriere to bulk build packages and encountered a failure that > resulted in the program skipping a couple ports. The failure occurred due > to an X11 error. However, the expectation is that all ports would build > without X11 thus negating the need to compile and build all the X11 > dependancies for various packages. > > Despite the make.conf (shown below) specifying WITHOUT_X11, all these ports > built with X11 support anyway. > > I'm pretty sure I must be doing something wrong and hoping that someone > might be able to lead me to the solution that will compile any port without > X11 support. > > Packages failed/skipped: > > gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.22: failed > gtk2-2.24.22_3: skipped due to above failure > vim-7.4.364: skipped due to above failure > > make.conf: > > # cat 10_0-amd64-make.conf > WITH_PKGNG=YES > PERL_VERSION=5.16.3 > WITHOUT_X11=YES I'd say that the last line should be: ----- OPTIONS_UNSET=X11 ----- Well, and the port also should be configured to use option X11. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:19:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34E2E573 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D769C27F8 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6TIqoi0054069 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Laptop list Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:19:10 -0000 A number of places in the various FreeBSD wiki's and the handbook reference the compatibility list at http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/. While this list is some what dated, it is also down. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:19:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E53D59F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22d.google.com (mail-pd0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 118C827FD for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w10so120087pde.4 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rw21MOdE2VtXaCtboS3CGqkHMGbDLMfx+N3WJGNleCA=; b=OlOLfg3kKXZVs9IlgVEajA2dVXBmMnbpRyvGs7pw0PjE/AQha4mvkEDOSgkUhZnTiO S2fQUOSMpIy5O1qpwGErtX7lUcp3LBafMgshzQU+IZIxtIs5g43o3lCO4wW5rtlb2OqR r8Feyip2cksxI/CMq9559Rp/4GHM9O58r68KpVKiqETDBq4GQXKJyTC8xaw+w+HXd8z2 zn6XhLO+Ah6Cy9IUlYpCx+ONRkwT+ZY2LRan64cdaXWeCH0XrrxrpSgHx8y5vQarvXaf egk1x4pjWTZXQo8NQLUAU3OXL1hnZ/68uoUtyuOc0TaGFF7xFqBwCuKnafViXLd1ETe0 0B9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.180.34 with SMTP id dl2mr4110775pac.124.1406661559459; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:19:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:19:20 -0000 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > Any chance you can copy/paste a complete listing of /dev? > > I copied these by hand so may be some errors acpi diskid md6 sndstat ttyvf ad4 dsp0.0 md8 stderr ufssuspend ada0 dsp1.0 md9 stdin ugen0.1 agpgart fd mdctl stdout ugen0.2 apm fido mem sysmouse ugen0.3 apmctl geom.ctl midistat ttyv0 ugen0.4 atkbd0 io mixer0 ttyv1 ugen1.1 audit iso9660 mixer1 ttyv2 ugen1.2 bpf kbd0 nfslock ttyv3 ugen1.3 bpf0 kbd1 null ttyv4 uhid0 cd0 kbd2 pass0 ttyv5 ukbd0 console kbdmux0 pass1 ttyv6 ums0 consolectl klog pass2 ttyv7 urandom ctty kmem pass3 ttyv8 usb da0 led pass4 ttyv9 usbctl da1 log pass5 ttyva xpt0 da2 md0 pass6 ttyvb zero da3 md0.uzip pci ttyvc zfs devctl md10 random ttyvd devstat md2 ses0 ttyve -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:26:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7639298F; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "webmail2.dweimer.local", Issuer "webmail2.dweimer.local" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 406C928E1; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail [192.168.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6TJNgd4093983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:23:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:23:42 -0500 From: dweimer To: Rick Miller Subject: Re: Build Ports Without =?UTF-8?Q?X=31=31=3F?= Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fcae6de0f31f8728897beca50739fb6@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 Cc: FreeBSD Questions , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:26:25 -0000 On 07/29/2014 2:04 pm, Rick Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > I am using Poudriere to bulk build packages and encountered a failure > that > resulted in the program skipping a couple ports. The failure occurred > due > to an X11 error. However, the expectation is that all ports would > build > without X11 thus negating the need to compile and build all the X11 > dependancies for various packages. > > Despite the make.conf (shown below) specifying WITHOUT_X11, all these > ports > built with X11 support anyway. > > I'm pretty sure I must be doing something wrong and hoping that someone > might be able to lead me to the solution that will compile any port > without > X11 support. > > Packages failed/skipped: > > gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.22: failed > gtk2-2.24.22_3: skipped due to above failure > vim-7.4.364: skipped due to above failure > > make.conf: > > # cat 10_0-amd64-make.conf > WITH_PKGNG=YES > PERL_VERSION=5.16.3 > WITHOUT_X11=YES I believe it should be: OPTIONS_UNSET="X11" on newer systems. However, it appears to not be pulling in the X11 option, but rather the GTK2 option. perhaps adding OPTIONS_UNSET="GTK2" would work, or just simply use the vim-lite port instead of vim, I do this on all my servers (of course none are running a GUI), though I haven't read through the Makefiles to be sure what else beyond GUI components isn't included in the lite port versus the full port, there's a chance it may drop off something else you are wanting. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:28:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0695FA50 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7FF82915 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.135.225] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XCD4E-0002bd-83 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:28:10 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.7/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s6TJS7Uq001810 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:28:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.7/8.14.3/Submit) id s6TJS7YE001809 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:28:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:28:07 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop list Message-ID: <20140729192807.GA1798@La-Habana> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r214444 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.135.225 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:28:20 -0000 El día Tuesday, July 29, 2014 a las 02:52:50PM -0400, doug@safeport.com escribió: > A number of places in the various FreeBSD wiki's and the handbook reference the > compatibility list at http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/. While this list is > some what dated, it is also down. You say that the list is 'some what dated', does this mean you have access somehow to a copy of it? Would be nice if so. See the thread 'Dell E6330' in freebsd-mobile@ Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_Ribbon_Campaign From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:38:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB528F34 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EB682A05 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D67527640 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6TJc8m2077644 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: User questions Subject: Re: Lost Desktop Settings Message-Id: <20140729213808.93ac8139.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140729092941.6f479ecf@scorpio> References: <20140729092941.6f479ecf@scorpio> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:38:16 -0000 On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:29:41 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:27:18 -0400 > > Running Platform Version 4.12.5 on FreeBSD-10, [...] This is KDE, right? > [...] I accidentally hit the "WIN" > key and the "S" key simultaneously. I immediately lost my desktop. If I remember correctly, some Win+... key combinations refer to the Plasma components of the KDE desktops and addressed at the Plasma shell, for example for switching or stopping activities or switching entire desktops. Can you still switch desktops (probably Ctrl+F1 / Ctrl+F2 should work)? > How do I go > about getting it back. Open the process manager and check if you have any activities running. Cancelling them _might_ revert the initial desktop content. > I really do not want to have to recreate all of those > icons I had placed there, etcetera manually. See the KDE configuration directory if the .desktop files are still in there. They correspond to the desktop content. I'm not sure where that configuration directory is located this week, maybe ~/.kde, or ~/Desktop, or ~/.config/...? In worst case, retrieve the last working copy of the KDE configuration from your backup and overwrite, keeping a copy of the non-functional configuration for "forensics". But I cannot imagine a keypress like Win+S would have an extreme impact on configuration files. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 20:44:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 679D661D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1904E22AC for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6TKigL7098839; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:44:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7539012534; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:44:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:44:42 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:44:45 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 02:19:19PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > > > Any chance you can copy/paste a complete listing of /dev? > > > > >=20 > I copied these by hand so may be some errors >=20 > acpi diskid md6 sndstat tty= vf > ad4 dsp0.0 md8 stderr > ufssuspend > ada0 dsp1.0 md9 stdin > ugen0.1 > agpgart fd mdctl stdout > ugen0.2 > apm fido mem sysmouse ugen0.3 > apmctl geom.ctl midistat ttyv0 ugen0= =2E4 > atkbd0 io mixer0 ttyv1 > ugen1.1 > audit iso9660 mixer1 ttyv2 > ugen1.2 > bpf kbd0 nfslock ttyv3 > ugen1.3 > bpf0 kbd1 null ttyv4 > uhid0 > cd0 kbd2 pass0 ttyv5 uk= bd0 > console kbdmux0 pass1 ttyv6 ums0 > consolectl klog pass2 ttyv7 > urandom > ctty kmem pass3 ttyv8 usb > da0 led pass4 ttyv9 > usbctl > da1 log pass5 ttyva > xpt0 > da2 md0 pass6 ttyvb z= ero > da3 md0.uzip pci ttyvc = zfs > devctl md10 random ttyvd > devstat md2 ses0 ttyve Looks like devfs is configured to not show the partitions. Damn. Try runni= ng `devfs 'rule add path * unhide'` as root to make all possible device nodes show up. Then look again for partitions on ada; `ls /dev/ada*` What output does `gpart show` produce? It should give you all the partitions on all available drives. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT2Ae6AAoJEED21dyjijPg18UP/3GTV48rB3EYLKRux1gEGXxL FXEBFNJHnN++vhIun5OzD+xgVjkLWrd3J1JW1Qd1p6y4tY2MnBo+qHV7Kug9LWxs 5a5NSesLctJWsYSvkpCKkRHy0qLz5Wvj3JMNS5+2yIq/HL+EliUkWiLJysGs1nWs QG9WvSGTkd/NCUjbgFaaNN+6dnnT9ruqMmxnq4amwU2fi7LRaH+XVtsmJ5vJVpVk 0I5P0lOfyaOHWA83qXoSlU+TxEQqBcgDe801/6uSZCwjg1op5lx6/Bzf+hRQNK6l iL9tzE/LvuO0dhnryJCNPTKyAZ7/5Yy/tMEVpujUBSIGebcewjt7jCVAM0H6VqJD xPTaliA67gwybN4lAb/03KMX0xGaSn/2XVDHuKedBlEUNxxniQAa9vXYKSK2kMaz t88EnG8oup7VBAFqwlPsbtHguTdYRIDHb5KlcVXZxC73PKrPrF75VECQ0yN599O9 9LGXRy6ENTvCDSxpfL3ZfiOKn30ksIt56MG5ccliZ3f1eZLOLhTrQSHZd0VTVZlL fySHwSzxnfnNN+Tl5iHhgYsOU4DMN9NHRdKL6Eg8FzoeJ+2z372rJTk+r1i44vI9 BAHeOmOo5vNN6SEjWdfPKqjx+r5cdga90hfLbWjPH93zJ0uVm5p1ehqipyv9vZoP wQ1rCQwnIR+HzV0y+ept =/xH8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 20:53:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A63093D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6CAF248D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6TKr7NN031887; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:53:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 53D16123A4; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:53:07 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Rick Miller Subject: Re: Build Ports Without X11? Message-ID: <20140729205307.GB9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Rick Miller , FreeBSD Questions References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:53:11 -0000 --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Rick Miller wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I am using Poudriere to bulk build packages and encountered a failure that > resulted in the program skipping a couple ports. The failure occurred due > to an X11 error. However, the expectation is that all ports would build > without X11 thus negating the need to compile and build all the X11 > dependancies for various packages. >=20 > Despite the make.conf (shown below) specifying WITHOUT_X11, all these por= ts > built with X11 support anyway. >=20 > I'm pretty sure I must be doing something wrong and hoping that someone > might be able to lead me to the solution that will compile any port witho= ut > X11 support. >=20 > Packages failed/skipped: >=20 > gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.22: failed > gtk2-2.24.22_3: skipped due to above failure > vim-7.4.364: skipped due to above failure >=20 > make.conf: >=20 > # cat 10_0-amd64-make.conf > WITH_PKGNG=3DYES > PERL_VERSION=3D5.16.3 > WITHOUT_X11=3DYES Go to `/usr/ports/editors/vim` and run `make config`. In the dialog box that appears, under "User interface" select CONSOLE. Then select "OK" to save the options. That way you will build vim without GTK+. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT2AmzAAoJEED21dyjijPgGmoQAL+ziRHNQFESclKiOflL0yjX MDLzTcBm4XmfRCj64VDnJkwXLhE9QgQtzkV/dtsPaMlHVsiKWKvBo/IVLpe8gUqy LnxneglXERMVfNqj6vM+NW/RLLPKZfi/dGGXbjH5OuX05PuY2q+bw7DngVPBVS3N onLHxfPH5E+2IqRnNSZ+rfZzMdtIVKTmFYLSVu7XPpwS1TeouqV0INSmokHnBZj7 V2J1WMySisc61oEM2KQgMGGfwrCE65cJn8DaoCx+HF+Y9QWwAA327MGnj5Unr9HW 8LCIv3iFdZOkWl6CZnYLNaN4l6IIEoVDSeVRyoGt+kTaI7+CrzBBvzgCxP19BXY4 3TCIRxwGlFfmK75J1YRTsiQecw/E0CA1NklEl+pbJ/Pt7TV81Q1mK4WOc69ZpwkX 1UfRiwjozoKDuZGU9DTT/+PopAOeoOYCuijKIrgxOolnQkbowEWYlTC5wWH0qg57 7vsuZueAS35wVdFf4UgiWRALa0kL1KdOKIE8lNrGzw9KdGCHlpe1r54S/vntOHhI 2T36Q0ByJEGgMDvC65lnk4Ci7lmkboDbYdVC4F4ubRqo5WqV3EVzfgX4OfdHtXKX aX8P9sMIjyJd+7BEZoLroroZ6lPDC5pv8JwFRLYBeuxaue7KQKBoRz7UkWaMvwD9 p6teIs2pA4U7tl+XIula =g0W6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 21:19:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35EDFBC7 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x229.google.com (mail-pd0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 091E326B0 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y10so270557pdj.0 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:19:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iyfWKq0DCQO/tWBLx7q802s3jCU2X9gNTetdBoCWO+A=; b=BqWkeh/IcgXEYl7iFLo3EHsageUGF0P3INK7L3mbITf3nXPW+peEbMMzRFSMxmAu4L zyldTWPuNqJvcxKtRaLsL4bwTscQ9kZVfyjH2sMHgtGcdqXRKgZiuY/UAG/XgZc///2C aTkm1sGTOwUflz3Qcyqx1K4u+hPDcRPU5L0mp/jkPBYPDnXs7+JSo0a+XZuVXPs4f3KR UMEvVGtQ6E1kav2jUZd9VNA6xDMcarbzi8W8QmlohdiGygIbhzVaM52mm9C9AWaB6DPo GS4xX8B0cUv4aB3vaJ9HbF6kEBqi8t6rc2ZFyocwgAdXubN8Sh2XmwcECn3Oz+Nuryz1 5rVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.246.138 with SMTP id xw10mr4636748pac.142.1406668791703; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:19:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:19:52 -0000 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > Looks like devfs is configured to not show the partitions. Damn. Try > running > `devfs 'rule add path * unhide'` as root to make all possible device nodes > show up. Then look again for partitions on ada; `ls /dev/ada*` > > I didn't use any ticks or quotes in the following pcbsd# devfs rule add path * unhide devfs rule: unknown argument: ad4 pcbsd# devfs rule add path ada* unhide devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_RADD: Input/output error Should I use some ticks or quotes? Nothing new under dev yet. > What output does `gpart show` produce? It should give you all the > partitions > on all available drives. > > It lists cd0 and iso9660 -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 23:23:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52406DAD for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 046F2256A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6TNN35X030347; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:23:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 45CA812422; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:23:03 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140729232303.GA86963@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:23:12 -0000 --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 04:19:51PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > > > Looks like devfs is configured to not show the partitions. Damn. Try > > running > > `devfs 'rule add path * unhide'` as root to make all possible device no= des > > show up. Then look again for partitions on ada; `ls /dev/ada*` > > > > > I didn't use any ticks or quotes in the following >=20 > pcbsd# devfs rule add path * unhide > devfs rule: unknown argument: ad4 >=20 > pcbsd# devfs rule add path ada* unhide > devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_RADD: Input/output error >=20 > Should I use some ticks or quotes? Yes, like this: devfs rule add path '*' unhide Otherwise the * will be expanded by the shell. > Nothing new under dev yet. >=20 > > What output does `gpart show` produce? It should give you all the > > partitions > > on all available drives. > > > > > It lists cd0 and iso9660 Weird. Maybe there is something in the way PCBSD is set up, I don't know. I= 've never used it. Is there anything in the PCBSD boot CD/image that you can use to mount the harddisks in the computer? Or could you try booting from a original FreeBSD live CD/memstick? Otherwise you might have to wait for someone knowledgable in PCBSD to weigh in. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT2CzXAAoJEED21dyjijPgVaYP+wfp9JYtUSpWp5iqi/BZBWRo Fqc9xP+jEtZKEzkeN/9jH05Npzlsuux0WmyQ6gEA7wavgXtkqfdOrXpEsaesKWZr gEeqJFcWHLCuGrsUDroBtOFUt2gtpUJmKHNsowmXv7CCYb3lMKzbfXHxJC6XiHsE TmRIGj4Ht3BNrosj/1GTKT3RPaVsakMZO0GweAxVYPwSBSxXnqgIkJ6+o0GDPD2Y +WslOhF76PYo/xqQWEqoLXzOvGUuPbCWx+ywEJBRt0st61/0f6Ul/9WTzddsR4Yp pnAjHZ6UcS8MG/qNnGab0WT6YB4OK5cIfL7cMqVjR3SrJ+x2dx49GRak2z5D2IyP ClnjCnZdn5aadFPd5/1PO5f94HjOMAVgcvI/41kCMkBCT+dZGkMgfQHIM0yxJEE2 PHC9L7t7BstHWTErFiL0pwpAXnejh6KGNn2dowVvlhAD0h5PvhGai5UptP3yMvqM CuWkl5LTfXPDme+HasSes2+btJkg0rrNofX1QT38HnwlE2lAoarHi/CeUqrAuZFB z5w0hwc6vfvXu0WbxO65QzlMefyhrtJu5/dy79aSDmyRtaPZXrRYDA9YAWV4CDWM Bui4Pph8P/bOo9FdYZ1O24Q+w4UvxcGsBAyc8HK8rCJfqbTjMsbirsgJvHX0Pvfe 1IH5ctgDGz1wdHOzzCl2 =JBL+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 02:30:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8159C102 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x233.google.com (mail-pd0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53AED270E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ft15so636072pdb.10 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:30:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RpwC+ujycZ1FhSvxV+cppPT80cg7ha9Uqf8Dq2CQ6Cw=; b=e1qONnvS/uYiNLPhbtz0URJDw9ndhVDibU/qXBum0sAIbnWNZj0ppg5ijwm37birQk CbI5RfYnlNnxpSVBOHC6SsvQYsg2wuR8eLCKPEwDAqEannQhaGUc3B7i+Xr2vNovw3Wb 4DCGGL7sgYRgXjYuGRzpPpqtNtG6dS47LvbeCjT+3jonFj7QiZgU1PGf0aoszlTjW6Cn JUTk0HoZQera90IrvlQjYbq83d0hmonWfq7eXgYidz71UaXL6Ibim6HV0gCaDyIcxU+4 ViWvbxak5LEZF1NVIJP21AoIws4RDm6k4QORcCUpzOrQPzZPpAX4e6RblIVvInLc9q4/ lkGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.245.9 with SMTP id xk9mr989102pbc.123.1406687449781; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:30:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140729232303.GA86963@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729232303.GA86963@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem booting From: Brian Wood To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:30:50 -0000 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > Yes, like this: > > devfs rule add path '*' unhide > > Otherwise the * will be expanded by the shell. > > I tried it with single and double quotes and like this \* and the output was devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_RADD: Input/output error in each case. Weird. Maybe there is something in the way PCBSD is set up, I don't know. > I've > never used it. > > Is there anything in the PCBSD boot CD/image that you can use to mount the > harddisks in the computer? > > Or could you try booting from a original FreeBSD live CD/memstick? > > I have a FreeBSD 10.0 memstick. The contents of /dev after I pick the Live CD are almost identical to what they were with PCBSD. There's an additional da4a that I guess has to do with the memstick. I don't really see any other differences. I tried the same devfs commands as above and the results are the same as above. I may try to install from the memstick, but would then want to figure out how to get a desktop going. Thanks. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 06:50:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C842E155 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BBA021BB for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:50:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=hcn7XK384R/Ke47MuDCP2C/nd+X5e29BX0vm/zrLkEY=; b=Mv9J23lUvzuHyWkxKUxG2PATjqi9O4BmJdter+cGIiMj0W+zLtU5hRmrdn/9PUftKAJErkW1qVXgS2IW/AvB/46xdWT9U5yYc0XKzCH/jRkGTwLBOjJ29YQ5xBJPFPs8uxoZTzIcp2EWtMDuVEYfyJnqsdPUZohnVgqT3eYonBc=; Received: from [114.121.166.160] (port=58981 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XCNiU-000gGq-9H; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 00:50:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:50:21 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140730145021.49e8f087@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729232303.GA86963@slackbox.erewhon.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:50:34 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:30:49 -0500 Brian Wood wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Roland Smith > wrote: > > > Weird. Maybe there is something in the way PCBSD is set up, I don't > know. what version your PC=BSD is based on? Isn't it 10.0? > > > I have a FreeBSD 10.0 memstick. The contents of /dev after I pick > the Live CD are almost identical to what they were with PCBSD. > There's an additional da4a that I guess has to do with the memstick. > I don't really see any other differences. > yes, /dev/daX are normally USB devices. Do you have a normal PC with SATA? Then the internal disk should be some /dev/adaX. X should be 0 but also can be some other number depending on your hardware. You should have then some slices/partitions on that device. One other thing which should not affect you. Did you install the GTP schema? Is it sure that your machine can boot from it? > I tried the same devfs commands as above and the results are the > same as above. I may try to install from the memstick, but would > then want to figure out how to get a desktop going. Thanks. > I do not know if the memstick contains a desktop. But installing a desktop is normally the smallest problem. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 07:17:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A903C8C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 170AB252D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s6U7HVqr052066; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:17:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B69E123BF; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:17:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:17:31 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting Message-ID: <20140730071731.GA88169@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Wood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729232303.GA86963@slackbox.erewhon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:17:34 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 09:30:49PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > > > Yes, like this: > > > > devfs rule add path '*' unhide > > > > Otherwise the * will be expanded by the shell. > > > > > I tried it with single and double quotes and like this \* > and the output was >=20 > devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_RADD: Input/output error What I forgot to mention is that the command has to be run as *root*. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT2JwKAAoJEED21dyjijPgQ8EP/2dAvSrS4PtZT0zbe2cjQtkB 9IZX2xgjyFCW3KlFrYcSaZQytZL0/lo7apMF8gfcU4PnZgezOW1GB6mz4rhNvfZE oL8Y3f+QudQeY3UTkbnTiXNngCsrU5Q1HiRMF06CC1tOASbssjXnSI7A8APpprKf AD5fC2m4Y5Hyy73NhgvKJaxIGniszAODefqPtKw1ToxxKYBLCmbN6LnH80RsGMNI ghc4+lkSlGZksssDFaofOsUAJh/v4eLNFZan36nzMV6DsY71Ts6OVn0DVpmgGJ0j 1sg9snZlODQy/3fngFVmfGNwRwX4gTnK9IMOERMnc4H3KEA7witGjEHvJHfFFTn4 1h0ULqZhgwymZc2MuGfVLGfYqtzXR1xoVY9bEv2L3bine1dcHB9om+4eXmrgaGML fPA3F33PkeLN3doR6SWoRpvWaUz6srBOgpgantS3+MK+cdX/cR4SGaUbKo85sQdq BPWybt7d/Bm6xHc50sHaPQtCFMef0vdSwn12OKDlY9T9mcDPzd+B18efiksoIGBJ V/PLwKPvxDovGPuuvXA6LirPVN+g2Esz36R/LYAYdgMCCaC0LE0GV+YalPoFPGvt Rwwe7erp/SPU8zcixjq9wihkAsQvLYnBmHIkDQQYY3PCObkK/8gw/YNcstXnlzm4 zDEpQfxApI2HyNwTa4tA =1v3a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 09:02:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4D2B414 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail32.elabs5.com (mail32.elabs5.com [208.66.204.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB80C2023 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.5.53] ([10.0.5.53:37348] helo=mail3.elabs5.com) by mta04.l3s.lyris.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.45 r(34222M)) with ESMTP id EC/B3-18712-6EFA8D35; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:42:14 -0700 To: Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Wednesdays=20were=20never=20soooo=20good?= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:42:08 -0700 X-EmailAdvisor: 1584263 X-Delivery: Level 3 Reply-To: mailus@onlinekhana.in X-Complaints-To: abuse@elabs5.com Message-Id: <20140730084261.EA10F89AEC70@elabs5.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "=?utf-8?Q?foodpanda?=" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:02:20 -0000 To view a web version of this message, use the link below: http://www.elabs5.com/ct.html?ufl=e&rtr=on&s=jazjg,xyfb,1ikl,1mk,1md3,kjrj,c358&MLM_MID=1584263&MLM_MLID=70725&MLM_SITEID=32425324&MLM_UNIQUEID=ea10f89aec Foodpanda North Indian Fast Food Chinese South Indian Pizza Ice creams Continental Salads Top Restaurants foodpanda.in is India's largest online Food Delivery portal. We provide you with a quick & easy way to order food online from 3500+ restaurants across 35 cities in India Ordering food was never so simple - just browse, click & eat! Get in touch Facebook Twitter g+ DOWNLOAD FREE FOODPANDA APP Google Play App Store To unsubscribe, send an email to: unsubscribe-70725@icubemails5.em.marketinghq.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 11:26:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD2431F; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x233.google.com (mail-ig0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E40652001; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f179.google.com with SMTP id h18so2711715igc.6 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:26:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eeHWmM34sShGwi0HBhBKghJ1h18d+AjPWofZQjRzstg=; b=QzuQL9ODf/fNQ5AB36+SHV06CppH3lBrptXT4KGLwqK9/XF/0y77Ate139j5xaKTW/ yk2EYNLAZejAbySj8YPG5510B872w4lmAeCM9LU2clB1mEQbClha1++RXTDx9i//DIiX iLVpJYzlhgg7JNrNUlZkvvd5oH9FYtQxFms90E03xIUhkvZ9P8L6/SMZGUXyzQtLJXaU jVmJFYY4jL3z4OhF+znvIc1X5PWJccfa/3h6Z8P3bLNDl+yL8IFXzJ3SDb6J/IAaztLk CPh+8yUVxGCYydW2fJ8uaSAuYy6+v8S4rQj8KBvtGfT8LOdXEkJgW4IJOsbKXs6RpR7d 0m+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.175 with SMTP id d15mr6353864igo.35.1406719617272; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.165.73 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:26:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7fcae6de0f31f8728897beca50739fb6@dweimer.net> References: <7fcae6de0f31f8728897beca50739fb6@dweimer.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:26:57 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3UrdObhSzxwFWtsbuKHgoGpGlLQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Build Ports Without X11? From: Rick Miller To: dweimer@dweimer.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: FreeBSD Questions , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:26:58 -0000 Hi... On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:23 PM, dweimer wrote: > On 07/29/2014 2:04 pm, Rick Miller wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I am using Poudriere to bulk build packages and encountered a failure that >> resulted in the program skipping a couple ports. The failure occurred due >> to an X11 error. However, the expectation is that all ports would build >> without X11 thus negating the need to compile and build all the X11 >> dependancies for various packages. >> >> Despite the make.conf (shown below) specifying WITHOUT_X11, all these >> ports >> built with X11 support anyway. >> >> I'm pretty sure I must be doing something wrong and hoping that someone >> might be able to lead me to the solution that will compile any port >> without >> X11 support. >> >> [snip] > > > I believe it should be: > > OPTIONS_UNSET="X11" on newer systems. > > However, it appears to not be pulling in the X11 option, but rather the > GTK2 option. > > perhaps adding OPTIONS_UNSET="GTK2" would work, or just simply use the > vim-lite port instead of vim, I do this on all my servers (of course none > are running a GUI), though I haven't read through the Makefiles to be sure > what else beyond GUI components isn't included in the lite port versus the > full port, there's a chance it may drop off something else you are wanting. I changed the /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/10_0-amd64-make.conf as follows, but the resulting behavior was the same as before making the change. Further changing it to remove "WITHOUT_X11" caused poudriere to build an additional package. # cat 10_0-amd64-make.conf WITH_PKGNG=YES PERL_VERSION=5.16.3 WITHOUT_X11=YES OPTIONS_UNSET="X11 GTK2" I observe no behavior indicating OPTIONS_UNSET worked, despite the change. It's apparent poudriere *is* using the file as removing WITHOUT_X11 did change poudriere's behavior. Though adding OPTIONS_UNSET did not appear to change the behavior. Is there a way to verify poudriere is implementing these options when building? -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 12:26:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0C03471 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.work.de (smtp2.work.de [212.12.45.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B553B265C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.12.32.87] (helo=work.de) by smtp1.work.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XCSxO-0001gC-Cb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:26:10 +0200 Received: from [10.10.2.123] (helo=azubix.tec.work) by work.de with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCSxT-0001vF-5a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:26:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:26:09 +0200 From: Nils Effenberger To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Message-ID: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> Organization: n@work X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:26:13 -0000 Hi there, du and df are showing signifcantly different values on our storage system: [root@zhoernchen ~]# df -h / Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.1G 336M 93% / [root@zhoernchen ~]# du -shx / 2.3G / root@zhoernchen:~ # gpart show => 34 97696301 ada0 GPT (47G) 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) 162 10485760 2 freebsd-ufs (5.0G) 10485922 10485760 3 freebsd-zfs (5.0G) 20971682 76724653 4 freebsd-zfs (37G) => 34 97696301 ada1 GPT (47G) 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) 162 10485760 2 freebsd-ufs (5.0G) 10485922 10485760 3 freebsd-zfs (5.0G) 20971682 76724653 4 freebsd-zfs (37G) (The zfs partitions are zil and l2arc of the zpool on HDDs) My first thought was that this was due to open file descriptors but I could'nt find anything relevant with fstat. To be absolutely shure I rebooted (fortunately the system isn't productive yet) but that didn't help either. To enshure that I was using fstat correctly (I'm not that familiar with FreeBSD) I created a file of ~350MB, opened it with less, deleted it while opened, was able to find it with fstat, closed less and found the system in following state: root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / 2.2G / root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h / Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.5G -13M 100% / Could someone explain this and how I get that fixed? Thanks in advance, Nils -- Nils Effenberger Junior UNIX-Administration n@work Internet Informationssysteme GmbH Wandalenweg 5, 20097 Hamburg, http://www.work.de E-Mail: effenberger@work.de, Tel: +49 40 2388090 - Fax: +49 40 23880929 HR B 61 668 - Amtsgericht Hamburg, Geschaeftsfuehrer: Jan Diegelmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:01:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C7C4F0F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21D42A19 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id Yd1V1o004516WCc01d1WD3; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:01:30 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TaoYtHgh c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=_gelNhxkGRwA:10 a=nbVwRHHClnAA:10 a=ZME5M7EdrZUA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=d-w3RE6eyq6qpE0apjsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GPNMOhBi3s0A:10 a=MJYrZxMN9UEA:10 a=pcP_vJpJh24A:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1XCTVZ-0001JZ-3W; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:01:29 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:01:27 +0100 Message-ID: <8739627.RYXmA2FIQJ@curlew.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p17; KDE/4.12.5; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) Cc: Nils Effenberger X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:01:39 -0000 On Wednesday 30 July 2014 14:26:09 Nils Effenberger wrote: > du and df are showing signifcantly different values on our storage > system: > > [root@zhoernchen ~]# df -h / > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.1G 336M 93% / > [root@zhoernchen ~]# du -shx / > 2.3G / Could it be that you have copies=2 set on any zfs filesystems on that partition? -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:08:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 517F5202 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D27112A97 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6UD7qYi057877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:07:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk s6UD7qYi057877 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/s6UD7qYi057877; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <53D8EE21.8020109@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:07:45 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> In-Reply-To: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JQSonEARSFqKmJcDblCs0M72nGUCLa7GU" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:08:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JQSonEARSFqKmJcDblCs0M72nGUCLa7GU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/30/14 13:26, Nils Effenberger wrote: > du and df are showing signifcantly different values on our storage > system: >=20 > [root@zhoernchen ~]# df -h / > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on =20 > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.1G 336M 93% /=20 > [root@zhoernchen ~]# du -shx /=20 > 2.3G / >=20 > root@zhoernchen:~ # gpart show=20 > =3D> 34 97696301 ada0 GPT (47G) > 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) > 162 10485760 2 freebsd-ufs (5.0G) > 10485922 10485760 3 freebsd-zfs (5.0G) > 20971682 76724653 4 freebsd-zfs (37G) >=20 > =3D> 34 97696301 ada1 GPT (47G) > 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) > 162 10485760 2 freebsd-ufs (5.0G) > 10485922 10485760 3 freebsd-zfs (5.0G) > 20971682 76724653 4 freebsd-zfs (37G) >=20 > (The zfs partitions are zil and l2arc of the zpool on HDDs) >=20 > My first thought was that this was due to open file descriptors but I > could'nt find anything relevant with fstat. > To be absolutely shure I rebooted (fortunately the system isn't > productive yet) but that didn't help either. >=20 > To enshure that I was using fstat correctly (I'm not that familiar with= > FreeBSD) I created a file of ~350MB, opened it with less, deleted it > while opened, was able to find it with fstat, closed less and found the= > system in following state: >=20 > root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / > 2.2G / > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h / > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.5G -13M 100% / >=20 > Could someone explain this and how I get that fixed? One other way of using up space in a partition without it showing up in du(1) is to have files hidden underneath the mount points for other filesystems. So you've got a 5GB UFS partition and a ZFS pool somewhere -- if you have (say) a file /mnt/big-file on the root and then you mount another filesystem (eg. ZFS) on top of /mnt you'll hide that file from du(1), but it will still be using space on the root partition and show up in df(1) output. The only way to find this sort of thing is to unmount those other filesystems and look at what exists under the mount point. You can also use up space invisibly by creating snapshots -- see mksnap_ffs(8) and snapinfo(8). Cheers, Matthew --JQSonEARSFqKmJcDblCs0M72nGUCLa7GU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJT2O4oXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTn1L0P/AgQWdrThTQJt+Go/vjUqizf 1bFdbiRjnSYvs0Zje/nlOSSCg8jljMH67comY09iD+uopuAENpx5bD7PtYe1bfEa hEJ1aqAlf0ceYHSMA5SEjKHAeDlqBGQEieGDCVD1zV6nhSLEe3xoxyJDxg5AX9l3 258lsOjt3liaWJl+Z1SsjxbWhe/6H7aCYRBMh4pwxSm0d4R1jpzB2uk86n08Dtef AJXvd9Z1LLqNsrOQ31NTkWbIpmQAuA9fXuZ7XCA7Sg5IxuQbCk2OXEYTHyj9zRDn 991xc6tPjRp6UiEkimhWXtiroOANj8D5sIQve5MWHED7kpOh858GpvBH5E+Gf6c5 a5++Zfdlo3urz392n4nufSSwz7WZ9WNMtYOovk3hYj9JdcMABbDnukmoU3bnwlrp I8Wl0ENgyVt55oFbhrjJnaj1Kucf8HeMX47358HU6dHT1ZZhHMLf0fGLm2C60OQH RvGuLPWsBkdnYlzcnylovAD34eqIU1F2VGKzNeN1RoGLBd35pZX3IcMJH95hgjNc Y1rVave5T2uAu+KoB0Xg7XhUAc95pyjJBk0RhZRF6IcZ4JFjvkqOnSPC2ZLW0sFA 9QNXskDPwKSJSYTvkSkyP66Y2cCNDgjt8GpSBDHn9E6QnUZgacdypzLk6YzySJfL WF0nZ6EjySM7FR481lOX =aBcp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JQSonEARSFqKmJcDblCs0M72nGUCLa7GU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:14:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CCF5341 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.work.de (smtp2.work.de [212.12.45.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30A152B60 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.12.32.87] (helo=work.de) by smtp1.work.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XCThg-0005Iz-Nc; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:14:00 +0200 Received: from [10.10.2.123] (helo=azubix.tec.work) by work.de with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCThl-00026n-K5; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:14:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:14:00 +0200 From: Nils Effenberger To: Mike Clarke Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Message-ID: <20140730151400.48f96c3f@azubix.tec.work> In-Reply-To: <8739627.RYXmA2FIQJ@curlew.lan> References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> <8739627.RYXmA2FIQJ@curlew.lan> Organization: n@work X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:14:03 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:01:27 +0100 Mike Clarke wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2014 14:26:09 Nils Effenberger wrote: > > > du and df are showing signifcantly different values on our storage > > system: > > > > [root@zhoernchen ~]# df -h / > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.1G 336M 93% / > > [root@zhoernchen ~]# du -shx / > > 2.3G / > > Could it be that you have copies=2 set on any zfs filesystems on that > partition? I don't think so. The root partition is a mirrored (gmirror) UFS partition, no rooot on zfs. -- Nils Effenberger Junior UNIX-Administration n@work Internet Informationssysteme GmbH Wandalenweg 5, 20097 Hamburg, http://www.work.de E-Mail: effenberger@work.de, Tel: +49 40 2388090 - Fax: +49 40 23880929 HR B 61 668 - Amtsgericht Hamburg, Geschaeftsfuehrer: Jan Diegelmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:45:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A093BD20 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 471D0206E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6UDjupn049469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6UDju9E049466; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:45:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Problem booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20140728201316.GA75558@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140728232101.GA1425@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729070805.GA2594@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729185337.GA5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729204442.GA9077@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140729232303.GA86963@slackbox.erewhon.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:45:59 -0000 On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Brian Wood wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 10.0 memstick. The contents of /dev after I pick > the Live CD are almost identical to what they were with PCBSD. > There's an additional da4a that I guess has to do with the memstick. > I don't really see any other differences. da4a is the memstick itself. Ordinary drives are going to be listed as ad* (old form), ada* (new form), or da* (USB and SCSI). Use gpart show to see the partitioning of all active disks. > I tried the same devfs commands as above and the results are the > same as above. I may try to install from the memstick, but would > then want to figure out how to get a desktop going. Thanks. It should not be necessary to modify devfs or other settings. On the other hand, this could be some machine with a weird BIOS (Lenovo and HP), odd server hardware (HP/Compaq, or as I call it, "Chompaq"), or just general proprietary "because we can" weirdness (Dell). To show existing disks, try just ls /dev/ad* /dev/ada* /dev/da* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 14:22:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D2A9913 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22a.google.com (mail-vc0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5DF1256D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id lf12so1884666vcb.29 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eE8yryPU/UKdDhJuKNDP/p3IApsfY/r+sce8LJlXt7M=; b=DxeILNfMu5PkNR+C9FRXuVnSdzt26IVs9agBArO+Td2o8MGsv3203aWnBCLsHHop9r d5atAbiT+hO+48ubYNMN32ojhw8TJXYN/o6g5SrAFjZcka9UZvSVOlHcwqlwJ64ZFdZF cI2F70sbhrekDlrOtTJ46OXi7mubsSbSNMaVPYr/xKQhtR6u1SEHZDbZ+xTU61n2Q8jZ 6hPDz3cTOnGsAMFK7N+44jwqOMWStNbtcucDQaBvI8c1r8ZT0qFHNtlt6vkqkutl7j0Y jFqLltjfQLvflv1VLMqSDXfuvKjSgS0jo0OhSVB/WimNRfHaO14hWm54/ZPbJzJ3JjSK AQAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.190.134 with SMTP id di6mr3589600vcb.43.1406730164975; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.187.66 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: pkg audit not working like portaudit From: Aleksandr Miroslav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:48 -0000 I used to be able to do something like this with portaudit in my cron jobs: portaudit > /dev/null || portaudit |mailx -s portaudit root i.e. portaudit returned a non-zero value when there were vulnerabilities. I expected "pkg audit" to do the same, but apparently it always returns zero. Is there some way to get the old portaudit behavior or do I have to write a script to parse the output? thanks, Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 14:22:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2BB2998 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A8C22573 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu (pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu [128.173.51.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6739CDC5 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Unable to create ZVOL error since upgrading to 9.3-RELEASE Message-Id: <72AA3F10-C5A2-45F6-BC4B-B214A16EEEB6@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:22:51 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:59 -0000 I have a nightly backup job that creates a snapshot of my ZFS pool, mounts the snapshot file sets appropriately under /backup, and then rsyncs that hierarchy to another system. This worked fine under 9.2-RELEASE and before. Since upgrading to 9.3-RELEASE, I get the following error in the daily security run output for that machine: ===== redmine kernel log messages: +++ /tmp/security.6itlEbCD 2014-07-30 03:01:10.401183488 -0400 +ZFS WARNING: Unable to create ZVOL sys/SWAP/swap@backup (error=17). ===== I have swap on a ZFS ZVOL: sys/SWAP/swap. I create the snapshot via "zfs snapshot -r sys@backup" ("sys" is the name of my ZFS pool). Does anyone know why I should be getting this error now? The same script running on the same machine gave no problems under 9.2-RELEASE. I started getting this message as soon as I upgraded to 9.3-RELEASE. Did some sysctl default change between 9.2-RELEASE and 9.3-RELEASE that changed the behaviour of ZVOLs and snapshots? The message isn't fatal, but it is annoying to have it appear every day in the security run output. Cheers, Paul. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 15:07:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD0161A3 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 590862A7F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6UF70db060797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:07:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk s6UF70db060797 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/s6UF70db060797; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <53D90A0A.3080103@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:06:50 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg audit not working like portaudit References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Xqv5gRvwSWSwNv998S7C2S7buOltfO0lp" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:07:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Xqv5gRvwSWSwNv998S7C2S7buOltfO0lp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/30/14 15:22, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: > I used to be able to do something like this with portaudit in my cron j= obs: >=20 > portaudit > /dev/null || portaudit |mailx -s portaudit root >=20 > i.e. portaudit returned a non-zero value when there were vulnerabilitie= s. >=20 > I expected "pkg audit" to do the same, but apparently it always > returns zero. Is there some way to get the old portaudit behavior or > do I have to write a script to parse the output? Not indicating the presence of vulnerabilities in the return code of 'pkg audit' is certainly worth opening an issue at https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues However, try using: pkg audit -q which should not print anything unless it does find vulnerabilities, so by the usual cron logic, you'll only get an email when there's a problem.= There's also /usr/local/etc/periodic/security/410.pkg-audit which you can enable as a normal periodic(8) job. Cheers, Matthew --Xqv5gRvwSWSwNv998S7C2S7buOltfO0lp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJT2QoUXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnwAkP/RTggcmqF4mDBYpzOU+OUiWb q/OjIK9hmAi/aX1FZ57ot1vhCpn9tZyRQ5sxy6YQZMhRVn5agrAzKg2/tWMf/Atp qeX64HUlU8zPVbjk9tOOTKPomHAqy0pYmUAJGlm9ZnJ4w30o/SX/8abTT/s/6L8q KEP01rm9BgRTJB3verqAOtGOLC94YGIlVHtNfX1Ox9i1Z/yk3Qe2SHS6S6X7NuRG VkGcYhFRASCfTz1fCC1RgHtIv8FupLuemZU83JevugylZ/IHMpyFgGMFjvVr2F0t rDBopMFIw1aoK7GayuwK8uybgbRVMLsH5qJQjK5jzxtWasRv/TT1wuwLKcSHRRA3 p0hHtaBRO8o109J4TMX3gFKZ0d1d+81+Oiv+ItFPoma6KcA9nD4et8dqR+VvB4Gj 8LGwx6/jdEVLjGHZfehHZ6l6nxGFvjOwex0hfjKwdBsTLWiPMp6X6d04P/uJzFCK paRY4jfvZXH4ivho1txuS+X29ir9JgTgCa8crmCGvWT0vmNsjg6XGK7ImNeseyLT mGT2Pwnw1oEiNbjtmoJzC3hyeLXlbVb0ICND9VVbfRUU6x2UWTGK3gmc5xUJKeK2 VynQ4sMG9lwmg16BBvB61vpGLpr0u2gJEjfgBrBiahQd5B+TiMky04Nb4+w9+Oei AtRirRdxUKIjTR51E53j =u5d7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Xqv5gRvwSWSwNv998S7C2S7buOltfO0lp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 15:32:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B19DAB6 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.work.de (smtp2.work.de [212.12.45.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C36F32F14 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.12.32.87] (helo=work.de) by smtp1.work.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XCVrd-0007jj-5M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:32:25 +0200 Received: from [10.10.2.123] (helo=azubix.tec.work) by work.de with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCVri-0002ZH-1S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:32:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:32:24 +0200 From: Nils Effenberger To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Message-ID: <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> In-Reply-To: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> Organization: n@work X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:32:28 -0000 > One other way of using up space in a partition without it showing up > in du(1) is to have files hidden underneath the mount points for other > filesystems. So you've got a 5GB UFS partition and a ZFS pool > somewhere -- if you have (say) a file /mnt/big-file on the root and > then you mount another filesystem (eg. ZFS) on top of /mnt you'll > hide that file from du(1), but it will still be using space on the > root partition and show up in df(1) output. > > The only way to find this sort of thing is to unmount those other > filesystems and look at what exists under the mount point. > > You can also use up space invisibly by creating snapshots -- see > mksnap_ffs(8) and snapinfo(8). > > Cheers, > > Matthew Thank you for your answer Matthew. Strangely enough I didn't receive the mail, I found it in the archives. Anyway... I unmounted the zpool (the only thing that was mounted except the root partition) to make sure I've nothing mounted on top of something, which brought me to this state: root@zhoernchen:~ # zfs unmount /zpool0 root@zhoernchen:~ # mount /dev/mirror/root on / (ufs, local) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.5G -15M 100% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / 2.2G / I don't have noch snapshots either: root@zhoernchen:~ # snapinfo / root@zhoernchen:~ # snapinfo -a root@zhoernchen:~ # Then I tried to create another (big) file which lead to the following: root@zhoernchen:~ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/test bs=1024 count=3500000 /: write failed, filesystem is full dd: /root/test: No space left on device 38849+0 records in 38848+0 records out 39780352 bytes transferred in 0.422187 secs (94224517 bytes/sec) root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev root@zhoernchen:~ # rm test root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev (Note that I deleted the 'test' file without effect.) du(1) still shows 2.2G: root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / 2.2G / When I now try to create files I get ENOSPC :( Regards, Nils -- Nils Effenberger Junior UNIX-Administration n@work Internet Informationssysteme GmbH Wandalenweg 5, 20097 Hamburg, http://www.work.de E-Mail: effenberger@work.de, Tel: +49 40 2388090 - Fax: +49 40 23880929 HR B 61 668 - Amtsgericht Hamburg, Geschaeftsfuehrer: Jan Diegelmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 15:42:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3DA1E05 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f54.google.com (mail-qg0-f54.google.com [209.85.192.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 928F8205C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z60so1740147qgd.13 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=wGrsChIxwFBgoB8iA3+XGjM2vbgsIC/DUjCIz1uktzI=; b=Rz/z9N4hAfejUgKEYqPTHDDgmiqiHNW1cn6LW9IRj7ujy6IbUX15UFfDrXI2uke35a VpB1e2IBmhyF/smlnBYS6A2/HK3POlAmqHwOG+4xHUdMqJb1MPEu0X0ywA/6b/SZKVdM FfboE5eZc7Qt0C/6c7ewsObCtvQ8SSMrCpH9UgJ3ytGNjHyIvsVnqGsOp6QJLdr73L+D HAX/xU7SWkxSM6lAB1SJWWSzpbzkiiYbU8eicioakSISBG4jay/FOqcO8dYklhiwS/mU k0Xdarx0W+fMOENhLuSWr1aKncHe6rFl9jHdziu4AL0HmoWL8ZDsKCf4uq32vkxUPP92 qq7w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn3KJW7GdsvmbQD5gzXP+Tr6HQhWAgziHnFnSP8XWcZhdUBg/zqcRxBTOeQyqsjK9OJ/miT X-Received: by 10.224.223.199 with SMTP id il7mr8424315qab.10.1406734959627; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 33sm2883796qgj.11.2014.07.30.08.42.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:42:37 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:42:42 -0000 On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:32, Nils Effenberger wrote: > root@zhoernchen:~ # dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/root/test bs=3D1024 = count=3D3500000 >=20 > /: write failed, filesystem is full > dd: /root/test: No space left on device > 38849+0 records in > 38848+0 records out > 39780352 bytes transferred in 0.422187 secs (94224517 bytes/sec) > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > root@zhoernchen:~ # rm test > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >=20 > (Note that I deleted the 'test' file without effect.) Is there a journal that has not completed checkpointing yet? I would see = that with UFS under Solaris. Deletions would take a few seconds (or = minutes if the fuel was large or the FS very full) to be reported by df. > du(1) still shows 2.2G: >=20 > root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / > 2.2G / >=20 > When I now try to create files I get ENOSPC :( Are you dealing with lots of small files? I am no FreeBSD UFS expert, = but under Solaris, space was allocated in minimum block sizes (there = were blocks and frags, blocks were, by default 8KB and frags 1KB). So if = you had a 512B file it would take up 1KB. du would show 512B used and df = 1KB used. I do not know whether FreeBSD UFS has single or dual (or more) = allocation units or what size they are. But that is one of the ways du = and df differ. du shows the size of the file df shows the amount of space used in the filesystem -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 19:17:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88D86A7D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from skapet.bsdly.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:16d8:ff00:1a9::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40B4E290E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.103.72] (helo=elke.bsdly.net) by skapet.bsdly.net with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1XCZNc-0001Dt-J5; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:17:41 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53D1BFB5.60804@herveybayaustralia.com.au> From: peter@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) Date: 30 Jul 2014 21:17:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <53D1BFB5.60804@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <87egx2slkh.fsf@elke.bsdly.net> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:17:46 -0000 Da Rock writes: > Jumping in to this little fray... you're exactly right. But the handbook > for pf says to go to openbsd for "better" info on how to setup pf, which > then has instructions using a syntax that doesn't exist on FreeBSD. This > is not just about google searches - although users end up going there > because of the syntax issues. That was the case for a long time, but fortunately if you take a peek at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-pf.html now, it has a lot more text than it used to (based on my pf tutorial, but extensively massaged by others) and an explicit warning on top about the syntax differences. - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 21:28:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9A48744 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B15FA2738 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.100.111] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 21:28:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm100.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 21:28:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 21:28:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 810326.6811.bm@omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97976 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2014 21:28:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1406755686; bh=A1GsAoOzTPejVOjhMgPxFMU8q+aVuohENqyzPG/+Eg0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NfNXjuyXXzKAJrxOCSTAjOVYBvUmkEWon+QZVnYP2veS9zkNdSr6hrHc8UfezutFhefQnzeJaqgOP/E5cEEZW2It1RifdTaJaevGvaClghaePVmDHjt6Kq+2hlemq4O1GcSHX/uRVUF0uJKZAmj2FjUK+y+tPXS0le+YM6qgh3I= X-YMail-OSG: UawS2ekVM1kxAyj046YgMMUd_tldWRSlrlkesBFggOeTLM4 Pd_hYUKpGUaNNykg.BKA0r0Ve31GA0XfbX_yb1DYtEvB6F4Zv0GPpPlgDBcp .yz0uspCGtwTWBvxXXtwI5IIXBZfcIJ2k0H45f2HFSPT5ppQjrv2Dv8BmUI_ YfTsgFGuLNbm9z2fxJcE_rrx7o5yoK.dgNUjbO4WZvBzdPJeQOJnPmx6ABoA dSqqTFDZx8pR_GNfIYhAK6Wg7M2Yp7leSFY7ico578loK1olgZ4xI0g_3QEW L1tMGaWYiySAVRCEZmUV6ySOAOKGIrZpi2ImtqT7untcizcSZs5xIk6qYlwn u3GT6.3PX3NrT30EW1cuhXD5CmndPsw9dBtHDRvt1EBoMLJcOPIC2exFj30s FZ5XEN.gv5E0L6DEVeTmqW4ybdkz.ielQKAOlvgEqwz7RHeATtYyu5BLB.bB 5NjpEnRW7iGynhAKx.YQ6SKDn4GBUIQQ6Z52qMxJ0asHku7YdyPtNYStqw2P doTN4a2ktkRG718frLJUaG_VoSV.sA_Syp5xuLWWmFWTRJw-- Received: from [174.57.138.2] by web120301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:28:06 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, DQpHcmVldGluZ3MsDQoNCkFmdGVyIGEgdmVyeSBsb25nIGFic2VuY2UsIEkgaGF2ZSByZXR1cm5lZCB0byBGQlNEIGZvciBhIHByb2plY3QgYXQgaG9tZS4gIEkgc3RhcnRlZCBsZWFybmluZyBGQlNEIHdpdGggMi4xLjVSIGFuZCBtb3ZlZCBvbiB0byBvdGhlciBPUydzIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgNC54LVIgZGF5cy4NCg0KSSBoYXZlIGluc3RhbGxlZCAxMC4wLVIgYW5kIHVwZGF0ZWQgdG8gcC03LiAgSSBoYXZlIGluc3RhbGxlZCBCaW5kOS45IGZyb20gcG9ydHMgYW5kIGhhdmUgY29uZmlndXJlZCBhIGxvY2FsIGQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/694 YahooMailWebService/0.8.196.685 Message-ID: <1406755686.18043.YahooMailBasic@web120301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:28:06 -0700 From: Burton Sampley Subject: FreeBSD 10.0-R-p7 bind9.9 starting named on boot? To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:28:14 -0000 Greetings, After a very long absence, I have returned to FBSD for a project at home. I started learning FBSD with 2.1.5R and moved on to other OS's around the 4.x-R days. I have installed 10.0-R and updated to p-7. I have installed Bind9.9 from ports and have configured a local domain (chicken.fish), which is doing exactly what I want/need it to do ... until I reboot. It will not start automagically on reboot. I have added and confirmed 'named_enable="YES" ' in /etc/rc.conf, but named is not running after a reboot. I checked dmesg and /var/log/messages, but did not see any error messages for named. I can manually start named with "/usr/sbin/service named start" and it will run without issue, until I reboot. I've followed the instructions in the handbook in sections 12.4 "Managing Services in FreeBSD" and 28.7 "Domain Name System (DNS)", which is clear-as-mud for FBSD-10 and Bind99 (not using unbound). I also followed the instructions in section 28.8 "Apache HTTP Server", which successfully starts automagically on reboot. I have also search the mail archives and have yet to find the magic combination of search terms. At this point, I have exhausted all the resources I can think of, so it's time to try questions@freebsd.org. I am officially stumped. What am I missing??? Here's some of the things I've looked at: root@fbsd:~ # /usr/bin/uname -a FreeBSD fbsd.chicken.fish 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Tue Jul 8 06:37:44 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 root@fbsd:~ # root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service -e /etc/rc.d/hostid /etc/rc.d/zvol /etc/rc.d/hostid_save /etc/rc.d/zfs /etc/rc.d/cleanvar /etc/rc.d/ip6addrctl /etc/rc.d/devd /usr/local/etc/rc.d/named /etc/rc.d/newsyslog /etc/rc.d/syslogd /etc/rc.d/dmesg /etc/rc.d/virecover /etc/rc.d/ntpd /etc/rc.d/motd /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql /etc/rc.d/sshd /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache24 /etc/rc.d/sendmail /etc/rc.d/cron /etc/rc.d/mixer /etc/rc.d/gptboot /etc/rc.d/bgfsck root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service named rcvar # named # named_enable="YES" # (default: "") root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service local_unbound rcvar # local_unbound : local caching forwarding resolver # local_unbound_enable="NO" # (default: "") root@fbsd:~ # /usr/bin/more /etc/rc.conf hostname="fbsd.chicken.fish" ifconfig_em0="inet netmask 255.255.255.224" defaultrouter="" sshd_enable="YES" ntpd_enable="YES" # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable dumpdev="AUTO" zfs_enable="YES" apache24_enable="YES" postgresql_enable="YES" named_enable="YES" named_program="/usr/local/sbin/named" named_conf="/usr/local/etc/namedb/named.conf" root@fbsd:~ # Regards, -Burton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 23:50:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62F89C89 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omx1.hctc.net (omx1.hctc.net [69.4.62.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F082646 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hctc.net (unknown [69.4.62.44]) by omx1.hctc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD631146C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:50:06 -0500 (CDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=69.4.54.186; From: lconrad@go2france.com To: Subject: vmware tools on Freebsd 10.0 VM on ESX 5.5 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <53d91497.439.28c0a900.372a7773@go2france.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: 69.4.54.186 X-Mailer: SurgeWeb - Ajax Webmail Client X-Authenticated-User: lconrad@go2france.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:50:08 -0000 it's installed but "Running (Not installed)" but shows the correct IP. Thanks Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 00:42:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4114677B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA06F2AFC for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6V0g0jN029522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6V0g0Y1029517; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:42:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Burton Sampley Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-R-p7 bind9.9 starting named on boot? In-Reply-To: <1406755686.18043.YahooMailBasic@web120301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1406755686.18043.YahooMailBasic@web120301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:42:04 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Burton Sampley via freebsd-questions wrote: > I have installed 10.0-R and updated to p-7. I have installed Bind9.9 > from ports and have configured a local domain (chicken.fish), which is > doing exactly what I want/need it to do ... until I reboot. It will > not start automagically on reboot. I have added and confirmed > 'named_enable="YES" ' in /etc/rc.conf, but named is not running after > a reboot. I checked dmesg and /var/log/messages, but did not see any > error messages for named. I can manually start named with > "/usr/sbin/service named start" and it will run without issue, until I > reboot. No error messages, but is the normal named startup message shown in /var/log/messages? > named_enable="YES" This is enough by itself. > named_program="/usr/local/sbin/named" > named_conf="/usr/local/etc/namedb/named.conf" Don't set these, they are defaults. It works for me, so at least it is possible. The first thing that comes to mind is that the machine may be starting named before the network interface is up. See man rc.conf | less -p netwait for a method of making the startup wait for an IP address to actually become available before continuing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 01:07:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DA1BA90 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C79E82D13 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:cwr@sdf.lonestar.org [192.94.73.15]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6V175b8022236 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:07:06 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:07:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@sdf.lonestar.org To: Roland Smith Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... In-Reply-To: <20140729185723.GB5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> Message-ID: References: <20140729185723.GB5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:07:24 -0000 On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Roland Smith wrote: > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:57:23 +0200 > From: Roland Smith > To: Charlie > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:20:16PM +0000, Charlie wrote: >> Hello list! >> >> I'm running 10-RELEASE x64, and all of a sudden I can't seem to install >> any packages. >> >> No matter which package I attempt to install, the result is similar: > > Don't know if it is related, but there has been some breakage in pkg lately. > Version 1.3.3 has hit the ports tree just now. You might want to try and > install that from ports. > > If you build from ports, it uses the newly-built pkg-static inside the port > for installation, so it should work. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) > Hey Roland, Thanks for the reply. I tried what you suggested -- updating pkg to the latest version via ports -- but no luck. Same errors as before, no matter what I'm trying to install or update. Help! Thanks, Charlie cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 02:01:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DB2449A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com (mail-pa0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37ADE221A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id et14so2618075pad.37 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6W6sKXDw2UJi+m1xqTMMLOHTkImn9/ijQLKdiCAj0Is=; b=v41J7ymi7+jdq6fd8i1kEHHkfFhoZuXZvVdmVHqrGRcq9AXXQNTWISy5bs6Lr6qvWu +aH01yYetR8sSnMlT1MSXbS1+Cf2R9lSn8NhKV7xo4P/QwSiWfZOlLaiZPqHIsW5sA9J 8+aaYf+APF3tT1ll5Wo/wPl3ZhwBRyYLZ99iROi2AcOnSo7csG98que+CQilsgStXQBE jlSCiiyl7BEYzJWS8yha3Fy9o7l9N0OmjOZknqds62gKu2LUWnLpvSlLMfR99y9mjnei ukd+nG4GFKEs2xT/24jH2jM7XGnXK1LGmCrygnv60qftNHD3/PbGR2lFLiQCZOvxOvDP QhkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.57.165 with SMTP id j5mr251845pbq.147.1406772067707; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.8 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Switching to newer version of Clang From: Brian Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:01:08 -0000 I did a make install in /usr/ports/devel/llvm34 After it finished clang -v still says 3.3. Do I have to reboot or try something different? Thanks. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 02:07:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1485EA6A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x234.google.com (mail-qg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D3522DE for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f51so2952923qge.25 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cH82NUmdaTOtGhWjqwgxkDs57HWTe0+qbrAWfxIkMfs=; b=x8StNYBAtks8Os7Z9ZEd9SggkNssVmuNlv9At2LSKZfJY15d+SrBK2XqA6AcQH2q/Z srbEYIBXlDlBwPo9aD8w3/Yjniu619wQZ0HuLVlG/P5FQSV79kI7usxlhtAbnJFGZlJE SJOxeZFk4JATfXXvTDoceCsBz38iiOj1iMXRWbfiRh05JLA+xNDdkyiQVisU28aIBotS 4F0FKydIy/ZmfoRXdXi/vse+FxpUm74wjHr94+IByJMttaWEjIj9ySyrNhlHLKe2N/iK YIWxN6ONmIdoGaUkIhWm3um0EX4Gso5LXaE0k6DG5aEY0oh/bysGFDZhKA+PbN2ICpcm uUlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.184.9 with SMTP id ci9mr13096642qcb.11.1406772458818; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.1.6 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140729185723.GB5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:07:38 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DgwSKVFZjC5-S1Z8P9KImPVUDzo Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... From: Adrian Chadd To: Charlie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Roland Smith , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:07:40 -0000 Try pkg upgrade -f -a On 30 July 2014 18:07, Charlie wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Roland Smith wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:57:23 +0200 >> From: Roland Smith >> To: Charlie >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:20:16PM +0000, Charlie wrote: >>> >>> Hello list! >>> >>> I'm running 10-RELEASE x64, and all of a sudden I can't seem to install >>> any packages. >>> >>> No matter which package I attempt to install, the result is similar: >> >> >> Don't know if it is related, but there has been some breakage in pkg >> lately. >> Version 1.3.3 has hit the ports tree just now. You might want to try and >> install that from ports. >> >> If you build from ports, it uses the newly-built pkg-static inside the >> port >> for installation, so it should work. >> >> Roland >> -- >> R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ >> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] >> pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) >> > > Hey Roland, > > Thanks for the reply. I tried what you suggested -- updating pkg to the > latest version via ports -- but no luck. Same errors as before, no matter > what I'm trying to install or update. > > Help! > > Thanks, > > > Charlie > > cwr@sdf.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 02:08:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4AABC31 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66D4123EA for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E220B3CBC9; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 04:08:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6V288BR005867; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 04:08:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 04:08:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Switching to newer version of Clang Message-Id: <20140731040808.7335de8f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:08:19 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:01:07 -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > I did a make install in > > /usr/ports/devel/llvm34 > > After it finished > > clang -v > > still says 3.3. Do I have to reboot or try something > different? Thanks. Which OS version are you using? If I remember correctly, on v10 clang has replaced the classic GCC toolset. That's why $ which clang will probably tell you that your above command has called the system's clang which didn't change. The installed port now provides a _second_ clang binary at a different path, probably somewhere in /usr/local, and maybe the binary has a version suffix (similar to gcc from ports). What does $ which clang3.4 report? Just check the installed files for the llvm port, you'll quickly find the correct name of the clang binary. I don't have a v10 system to access at the monent, so I cannot check, sorry; still on v8.2 at home, no clang. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 02:10:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7474D8B; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A51B2240B; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:cwr@sdf.lonestar.org [192.94.73.15]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6V2ATSF016819 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:10:30 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:10:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@sdf.lonestar.org To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20140729185723.GB5146@slackbox.erewhon.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Roland Smith , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:10:42 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:07:38 -0700 > From: Adrian Chadd > To: Charlie > Cc: Roland Smith , > FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... > > Try pkg upgrade -f > > > -a > > > On 30 July 2014 18:07, Charlie wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Roland Smith wrote: >> >>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:57:23 +0200 >>> From: Roland Smith >>> To: Charlie >>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:20:16PM +0000, Charlie wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello list! >>>> >>>> I'm running 10-RELEASE x64, and all of a sudden I can't seem to install >>>> any packages. >>>> >>>> No matter which package I attempt to install, the result is similar: >>> >>> >>> Don't know if it is related, but there has been some breakage in pkg >>> lately. >>> Version 1.3.3 has hit the ports tree just now. You might want to try and >>> install that from ports. >>> >>> If you build from ports, it uses the newly-built pkg-static inside the >>> port >>> for installation, so it should work. >>> >>> Roland >>> -- >>> R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ >>> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] >>> pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) >>> >> >> Hey Roland, >> >> Thanks for the reply. I tried what you suggested -- updating pkg to the >> latest version via ports -- but no luck. Same errors as before, no matter >> what I'm trying to install or update. >> >> Help! >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Charlie >> >> cwr@sdf.org >> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This is the result of running 'pkg upgrade -f': pkg: cannot resolve conflict between remote libGL(want install), local libGL(want keep), please resolve it manually pkg: SAT: conflicting request, cannot solve pkg: cannot solve job using SAT solver cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 03:34:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5FBCCC4 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B6012BA0 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 03:31:32 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.254] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 03:31:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 03:31:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 800437.51162.bm@omp1046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84716 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2014 03:31:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1406777492; bh=Pw2baW7UFBVTWfrGABVDpi9ZJ6brcfqK6Ypo2p6fNLk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V8+7pPmcJum6duVz4E7oeV06Gk1YNSlWA+ZelV5a/RKNj9uqlZid7y+JFMJVuroOMMkjh5sdigrOS6j0RC+wRWoENd99voyRrVaUSNQGcGAbgf6ivjprSLS7oKKlFitGwBF9G++1ZPkFctnnhhz7lDDP45JRgWLOql4SE8B1oU0= X-YMail-OSG: K_7hVo8VM1lj0ZzkWKVbz1S5lBIbIvknGNKG9gSA6I42slJ OsazyhznWr1xqrYncCGmJYo6nvjdV6gFOS9iR.vFFmuBtWz4hodcmBYKzyDF cZ6OH7ezazQXKf8UIWTxDNGVMqOZHGFnVqa_KXt2Dmq0Gm5sVXGP6_TPKOG8 cbadpCHqhw0YV3pmQELAF2wDbRUbS4ipz2KEl1wMy0El0gSdWinlzmT9g20K iHzeCOjekM7sAyiAsQ7QXDZk.6dfx0mB8qqvouTezZLSeAN2WkrqGGWyyp5j 0UP8UVGgIZd7Yq_hX3i.ka5DOgwDj69jp8q14Ft6CD_cG9DI.xwIJ2GMssLC 9.fO8UdjkiTfTnOO8Z0rYXpgMveyKZ.S5lxbAFhSl9_i1eqoAo7KGh8nV285 NgRrd5kiso37CfGwZy1od1bCObD2U14kk6s.8XsxZKUrnBc34niM_EBbMRks fFqQXGnrCxW0Knwf10WQYWcvjz3kusUTGOjfdBEr2JLpKQf2ej9xUkW2kxew oSgEtrNP51miqJtLreU1uO90yYvc4IEN1Il_QEh2hNyR9.Sv1zQ-- Received: from [66.129.241.10] by web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:31:32 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, aGksIGFsbDoKCmkgaW5zdGFsbGVkIGZyZWVic2Q5LjMgb24gYSBsYXB0b3Agd2l0aCBkdzEzNTAgbWluaSBwY2kgd2lyZWxlc3MgY2FyZC4gd2VsbCwgdGhlIGRlZmF1bHQga2VybmVsIGRvZXNuJ3QgcmVjb2duaXplIGl0LiBpIGNoZWNrZWQga2VybmVsIGZpbGUgIkdFTkVSSUMiIGFuZCBmb3VuZCB0aGUgZm9sbG93aW5nIGxpbmVzOgoKI2RldmljZcKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgYndpwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgICMgQnJvYWRjb20gQkNNNDMweC9CQ000MzF4IHdpcmVsZXNzIE5JQ3MuCiNkZXYBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.196.685 Message-ID: <1406777492.71149.YahooMailNeo@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:31:32 -0700 From: gahn Reply-To: gahn Subject: dell dw1350 mini pci wireless card To: FreeBSD Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:34:16 -0000 hi, all:=0A=0Ai installed freebsd9.3 on a laptop with dw1350 mini pci wirel= ess card. well, the default kernel doesn't recognize it. i checked kernel f= ile "GENERIC" and found the following lines:=0A=0A#device=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 bwi=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 # Broadcom BCM430x/BCM431x w= ireless NICs.=0A#device=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 bwn=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0 # Broadcom BCM43xx wireless NICs.=0A=0A=0Athe DW1350 card in my lap= top has Broadcom BCM94306MP, do you think i can get it work with activation= of above drivers?=0A=0Athanks.=0A=0A_dave=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 03:59:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F157D541 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B516D2EF7 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D27173CC07; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:59:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6V3xb7U006245; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:59:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:59:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: gahn Subject: Re: dell dw1350 mini pci wireless card Message-Id: <20140731055937.46619502.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1406777492.71149.YahooMailNeo@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1406777492.71149.YahooMailNeo@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:59:41 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:31:32 -0700, gahn via freebsd-questions wrote: > hi, all: >=20 > i installed freebsd9.3 on a laptop with dw1350 mini pci wireless > card. well, the default kernel doesn't recognize it. i checked > kernel file "GENERIC" and found the following lines: >=20 > #device=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 bwi=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 #= Broadcom BCM430x/BCM431x wireless NICs. > #device=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 bwn=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 # Broa= dcom BCM43xx wireless NICs. >=20 >=20 > the DW1350 card in my laptop has Broadcom BCM94306MP, do you think > i can get it work with activation of above drivers? You can easily try it: # kldload if_bwn or # kldload if_bwi and also check the dmesg output. To verify the card, see # pciconf -lv | less for the card to be correctly recognized. But I cannot promise the bwn and bwi drivers are compatible to BCM94306MP... See "man bwn" and "man bwi" for details about hardware support. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 03:59:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65ADD5E5 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F1BD2F00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:59:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=vXxu8/0klCXJZugSjMWgTli54It60vhvGVsuM+e7JiE=; b=pD9VSsAymawvNabbp0O9O3guVSLIFHPJwDWg0BzE/sYPw8ONlbIeb6guBnURq3ZqoEiqVyOYQ6SRtdhakiwNiCfcBLuksNHQmqynpnDA04jj372do953NTtH6utfUqMPr6FdhoV/37mpMHv9O8xIH7/YFBVvMabmglxZIU/yZZ8=; Received: from [182.0.85.29] (port=59961 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XChX3-000nI5-JZ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:59:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:59:48 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Brian Wood Subject: Re: Switching to newer version of Clang Message-ID: <20140731115948.2a99a5b0@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:59:59 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:01:07 -0500 Brian Wood wrote: > I did a make install in > > /usr/ports/devel/llvm34 > > After it finished > > clang -v > > still says 3.3. Do I have to reboot or try something > different? Thanks. > you should need this. If you update your sources 3.4.1 will be in there anyway. If you just installed a fresh system, upgrade the sources first, compile and install it, get a new ports tree and then start installing ports. Of course, you could stick with the current sources and the current ports tree but would soon face the problem of updating the machine. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 07:02:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06A226DD for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbox.is.co.za (mailbox.is.co.za [196.35.45.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34792148 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:02:20 +0000 (UTC) X-AuthUser: vikashb@where-ever.za.net Received: from laptop.where-ever.za.net ([196.35.45.20]:59594) by mailbox.is.co.za with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:02:17 +0200 Message-ID: <53D9E9F8.3080800@where-ever.za.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:02:16 +0200 From: Vikash Badal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Subject: Re: pkg broken? Unable to install packages... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:02:23 -0000 On 29/07/2014 00:20, Charlie wrote: > Hello list! > > I'm running 10-RELEASE x64, and all of a sudden I can't seem to install > any packages. > > No matter which package I attempt to install, the result is similar: > > Fetching finch-2.10.9_5.txz: 100% of 208 KB > pkg: cached package finch-2.10.9_5: size mismatch, fetching from remote > Fetching finch-2.10.9_5.txz: 100% of 208 KB > pkg: cached package finch-2.10.9_5: size mismatch, cannot continue > > I have tried running pkg update -f; it doesn't help. > try: rm -rf /var/db/pkg/repo* && pkg upgrade resolved the issue for me Regards Vikash From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 07:30:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02FC2260 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.work.de (smtp2.work.de [212.12.45.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAA25245B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.12.32.87] (helo=work.de) by smtp1.work.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XCkol-0002o3-09 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:30:27 +0200 Received: from [10.10.2.123] (helo=azubix.tec.work) by work.de with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCkop-0004l2-WB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:30:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:30:26 +0200 From: Nils Effenberger To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Message-ID: <20140731093026.1bf4381b@azubix.tec.work> In-Reply-To: References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> Organization: n@work X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:30:31 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:42:37 -0400 Paul Kraus wrote: > On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:32, Nils Effenberger > wrote: > > > root@zhoernchen:~ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/test bs=1024 > > count=3500000 > > > > /: write failed, filesystem is full > > dd: /root/test: No space left on device > > 38849+0 records in > > 38848+0 records out > > 39780352 bytes transferred in 0.422187 secs (94224517 bytes/sec) > > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > root@zhoernchen:~ # rm test > > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > > > (Note that I deleted the 'test' file without effect.) > > Is there a journal that has not completed checkpointing yet? I would > see that with UFS under Solaris. Deletions would take a few seconds > (or minutes if the fuel was large or the FS very full) to be reported > by df. > > > du(1) still shows 2.2G: > > > > root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / > > 2.2G / > > > > When I now try to create files I get ENOSPC :( > > Are you dealing with lots of small files? Nope > I am no FreeBSD UFS expert, > but under Solaris, space was allocated in minimum block sizes (there > were blocks and frags, blocks were, by default 8KB and frags 1KB). So > if you had a 512B file it would take up 1KB. du would show 512B used > and df 1KB used. I do not know whether FreeBSD UFS has single or dual > (or more) allocation units or what size they are. But that is one of > the ways du and df differ. > > du shows the size of the file > > df shows the amount of space used in the filesystem I'm well aware of the difference between df(1) and du(1) but that's not the point here. As you might see the Kernel seems to be eating disk space and not releasing it aufter deletion of files, whatsoever. > -- > Paul Kraus > paul@kraus-haus.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Nils Effenberger Junior UNIX-Administration n@work Internet Informationssysteme GmbH Wandalenweg 5, 20097 Hamburg, http://www.work.de E-Mail: effenberger@work.de, Tel: +49 40 2388090 - Fax: +49 40 23880929 HR B 61 668 - Amtsgericht Hamburg, Geschaeftsfuehrer: Jan Diegelmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 07:41:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4299D65D; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:a400::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 164762544; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-73-37-112-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net [73.37.112.64]) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1B7A2C1630; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2280:38b:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2280:38b:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F6DDD73; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53D9F300.2010308@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:40:48 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <20140729101806.GB89995@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20140729101806.GB89995@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Kristian K. Nielsen" , Franco Fichtner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:41:07 -0000 On 7/29/2014 3:18 AM, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > Darren, > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 09:36:06PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > D> Never mistake silence for consent. > D> > D> The vast majority of people don't know pf is outdated and broken on > D> FreeBSD because they don't know what they're missing and likely aren't > D> using IPv6 yet. The moment you turn on IPv6 and restart a validating > D> unbound, you run full-speed into pf's broken behaviour. Make an > D> EDNS0-enabled query for a signed zone and you'll get a fragmented UDP > D> packet that will never make it through unless you tell pf to allow all > D> fragments unconditionally. They'll simply think something is wrong with > D> unbound, turn off EDNS0 and/or validation, hurt peformance and/or > D> security in the process, and never realize their firewall is doing > D> literally the worst possible thing it could do. > D> > D> All because over half a decade ago some folks got all butthurt over a > D> config file format change. > > Do I understand you right, that you propose a tens thousands lines of > untrivial code bulk update in order to fix a particular bug, that can be > nailed down separately? No. I believe pf should be removed from FreeBSD and efforts refocused on keeping ipfw up to date and feature complete. It makes more sense to look at what pf, ipf, nbtables, etc. are all doing as a source of ideas for what we can do with ipfw. A decade ago, there was justification for adding pf: at the time, ipfw lacked some major features. Ipfw has since caught up. I see no remaining value in having more than one packet filter in the base. Ipfw is more mature and less broken, so we should keep it and ditch the rest in the name of survival efficiency. > Do you also say that breaking configuration > files for a large number of people is okay if the update is expected > to fix a bug unrelated to configuration? Yes. Loss of configuration file backward compatibility is a fact of progress. Here are some examples of places where FreeBSD broke backward compatibility of a configuration file: - rc.conf (with every major version change) - resolv.conf - kernels - make.conf vs. src.conf - the ports collection - pkg vs. pkgng - pkgng changes within pkgng 1.x On top of that, we also have whole chunks of the OS where compatibility was broken (e.g., the toolchain, switch to unbound, etc.). > For me sounds like hunting a sparrow with a cannon. The whole thing, to me, was an example of lobbyist politics: a vocal minority had the resources and access to stop progress. Now we are all suffering for their ignorance and arrogance. If anything, we should rename pf to tppf (short for "Tea Party Packet Filter"). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 09:29:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0746DF for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.work.de (smtp2.work.de [212.12.45.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DF920C0 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.12.32.87] (helo=work.de) by smtp1.work.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XCmfv-0003YG-7d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:29:27 +0200 Received: from [10.10.2.123] (helo=azubix.tec.work) by work.de with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCmg0-0005Cp-9j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:29:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:29:26 +0200 From: Nils Effenberger To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Message-ID: <20140731112926.217da976@azubix.tec.work> In-Reply-To: <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> Organization: n@work X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:29:29 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:32:24 +0200 Nils Effenberger wrote: > Then I tried to create another (big) file which lead to the > following: > > > root@zhoernchen:~ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/test bs=1024 > count=3500000 > > /: write failed, filesystem is full > dd: /root/test: No space left on device > 38849+0 records in > 38848+0 records out > 39780352 bytes transferred in 0.422187 secs (94224517 bytes/sec) > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > root@zhoernchen:~ # rm test > root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > (Note that I deleted the 'test' file without effect.) > > du(1) still shows 2.2G: > > root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / > 2.2G / > > When I now try to create files I get ENOSPC :( > After running fsck over the mirror, which salvaged a few things df(1) was showing the right values again but the issue remained: UFS doesn't release disk space after I delete files. -- Nils Effenberger Junior UNIX-Administration n@work Internet Informationssysteme GmbH Wandalenweg 5, 20097 Hamburg, http://www.work.de E-Mail: effenberger@work.de, Tel: +49 40 2388090 - Fax: +49 40 23880929 HR B 61 668 - Amtsgericht Hamburg, Geschaeftsfuehrer: Jan Diegelmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:05:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6953A70C for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0236.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CE53257F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] (2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df) by BY1PR0301MB0840.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.14; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:05:27 +0000 Message-ID: <53DA14E1.2020808@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:05:21 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: Switching to newer version of Clang References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] X-ClientProxiedBy: BY2PR03CA040.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.249.13) To BY1PR0301MB0840.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.146) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 0289B6431E X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(51704005)(199002)(189002)(24454002)(99396002)(76176999)(87266999)(64706001)(65816999)(102836001)(88552001)(54356999)(50986999)(79102001)(31966008)(105586002)(20776003)(107046002)(74502001)(101416001)(81542001)(2351001)(46102001)(85306003)(65956001)(80022001)(76482001)(64126003)(106356001)(50466002)(19580395003)(81342001)(107886001)(77096002)(83506001)(83322001)(80316001)(85852003)(4396001)(75432001)(83072002)(92566001)(77982001)(92726001)(21056001)(47776003)(89122001)(110136001)(95666004)(86362001)(59896001)(74662001)(33656002)(87976001)(42186005)(23676002)(89472002)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY1PR0301MB0840; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:05:35 -0000 On 2014.07.30 21:01, Brian Wood wrote: > I did a make install in > > /usr/ports/devel/llvm34 > > After it finished > > clang -v > > still says 3.3. Do I have to reboot or try something > different? Thanks. > First, you need to install lang/clang34 (clang depends on llvm, not the other way around). You can have multiple compilers (and multiple versions of compilers) installed at the same time. Anything installed from ports will *never* overwrite anything in base. You're looking for clang34 (/usr/local/bin/clang34). Similarly, gcc installed from ports would be the same: gcc 4.7, for example, would be /usr/local/bin/gcc47. If you want to build ports with an alternate compiler, you'll need something like this in make.conf: CC=clang34 CPP=clang-cpp34 CXX=clang++34 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:35:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA625789 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84c3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 804552871 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 178-25-204-208-dynip.superkabel.de ([178.25.204.208] helo=paul-pc.mbnet.de); authenticated by wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1XCnhT-0003UO-Qc; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:35:07 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:34:14 +0200 From: Paul Blockhaus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: vlan address-aliassing not working Message-ID: <20140731123414.388112e1@paul-pc.mbnet.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; paul@mueller-blockhaus.de; 1406802910; fd998c84; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:35:10 -0000 Hello Guys, recently I set up ezjail on my UTM and made aliasses for my vlan, so far no problems, but after reboot the aliases for the vlans hasn't been recreated, only for the physical non-vlan NICs. Any Ideas why the aliases weren't created, is it my mistake? Greetings Paul my /etc/rc.conf: hostname="utm" keymap="german.iso.kbd" ifconfig_re1="inet 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" vlans_em0="50 150" ifconfig_em0_50="inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0_150="inet 192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" wlans_ath0="wlan0" create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" ifconfig_wlan0="inet 192.168.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid mbnet mode 11ng channel 1" defaultrouter="192.168.0.1" ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0.50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0_150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_wlan0_alias0="inet 192.168.3.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" sshd_enable="YES" powerd_enable="YES" dumpdev="AUTO" dhcpd_enable="YES" dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" dhcpd_ifaces="em0 em0.50 wlan0 " dhcpd_withumask="022" dhcpd_chuser_enable="YES" dhcpd_withuser="dhcpd" dhcpd_withgroup="dhcpd" dhcpd_devfs_enable="YES" pf_enable="YES" hostapd_enable="YES" ftpproxy_enable="YES" ezjail_enable="YES" syslog_flags="-s -s" -- Emails sind wie Postkarten, jeder kann sie lesen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:56:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41850D60 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84c3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 048D32A50 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 178-25-204-208-dynip.superkabel.de ([178.25.204.208] helo=paul-pc.mbnet.de); authenticated by wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1XCo2W-0002bQ-FM; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:56:52 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:55:58 +0200 From: Paul Blockhaus To: gahn Subject: Re: dell dw1350 mini pci wireless card Message-ID: <20140731125558.1db33998@paul-pc.mbnet.de> In-Reply-To: <1406777492.71149.YahooMailNeo@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1406777492.71149.YahooMailNeo@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; paul@mueller-blockhaus.de; 1406804215; 549abf06; Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:56:55 -0000 Am Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:31:32 -0700 schrieb gahn via freebsd-questions : > hi, all: >=20 > i installed freebsd9.3 on a laptop with dw1350 mini pci wireless > card. well, the default kernel doesn't recognize it. i checked kernel > file "GENERIC" and found the following lines: >=20 > #device=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bwi=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 # Broadcom BCM= 430x/BCM431x wireless > NICs. #device=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bwn=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 # Broadcom BCM43xx = wireless NICs. >=20 >=20 > the DW1350 card in my laptop has Broadcom BCM94306MP, do you think i > can get it work with activation of above drivers? >=20 > thanks. >=20 > _dave > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 Hi, yes, if your card has this chip, but then you must recompile the kernel, probably it is possible to load the kernelmodule at boot. The line in /boot/loader.conf shuold look like=20 if_bwi_load=3D"YES" and if_bwn_load=3D"YES" PS: Please use the man. :) LG Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 11:01:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0514FE34 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A17C2B0A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:01:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoMGAFUh2lNR8my9/2dsb2JhbABZgw5SV8snh08BgQYXd4QEAQU6HCMQCw4KCSUPKh4GE4hGAbwoF450D0kHhEoBBIR8AoEGhAiRV4FTkwGDSzsvgQMBHw Received: from 189.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.242.108.189]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2014 13:01:31 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6VB1ULG002066; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:01:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:01:30 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Dutch Ingraham Subject: Re: Audio CDs Not Playing Message-ID: <20140731130130.44eced30@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <53D6E32B.7030103@gmx.us> References: <53D6E32B.7030103@gmx.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:01:45 -0000 On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:56:27 -0400 Dutch Ingraham wrote: > Greetings: > > I'm having trouble with playing audio CDs; specifically, they won't > play at all. Secondarily, it appears as though, if they would play, I > would need to be root to do so. > > My system stats are as follows: : > FreeBSD dutch.freebsd.net 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: > Tue Jul 8 06:37:44 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > > I am issuing the command and the CD > simply will not play, or move in any way. However, if I issue > , the CD will eject; if I issue > , I will receive the tracks information, etc. > So it appears as though communication is happening, but the CD will not > play. If I issue these commands as a regular user, I receive a > "permission denied" message; if run as root, simply nothing happens - > no error, nothing. In fact issuing returns 0. > > I have read the handbook sections on multimedia and setting up the > sound card, and believe I've done everything by the book. For example, > returns: > > hdac0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x04201028 > chip=0x3a6e8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801JD/DO (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller' > class = multimedia > subclass = HDA > > and I have loaded, individually, both the snd_hda and snd_ich drivers > with the same result (the hardware notes are ambiguous on this note). > > The only somewhat useful information is returned by -f /dev/cd0 debug on> which returns: > > "cdcontrol: Inappropriate ioctl for device" However, a google search > has not informed me as to what this means or how to correct. > > If someone could point me in the correct direction, I'd be appreciative. > > PS - This issue is not limited to CLI commands; VLC will issue the > error "VLC is unable to open the MRL 'cdda:///dev/cd0'. Check the > log for details." There is no log info that I can find. In addition, I > can burn a cd with xfburn, but only as root. cdcontrol sends a special command to let the drive itself play an audio cd. This requires that the firmware supports those commands and that the drive is connected to your sound card. Modern media players like VLC don't play an audio cd like that. Instead they basically read the raw data of the cd, apply effects to it like bass, treble and volume changes and then send that to your sound card. This is much more flexible and is probably the reason why more and more cdrom drives no longer support the cdcontrol commands. To let users play an audio cd they must have access to /dev/cd0. On desktop systems I create a separate group for that called plugdev (pluggable devices) and then set permission on /dev/cd0 like this: crw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 0x4e 31 jul 08:56 /dev/cd0 Now users in the plugdev group can access the cdrom. To set these permissions you can use chgrp(1) and chmod(1) but this will be reset when you reboot. To make these permissions permanent you have to create (or modify) /etc/devfs.rules. Mine looks like this: -------------------- [local_ruleset=10] #allow plugdev to access the cdrom add path cd0 user root group plugdev mode 0660 #allow plugdev to access usb mass storage add path 'da*' user root group plugdev mode 0660 -------------------- To activate these rules you must also add the following line to /etc/rc.conf: devfs_system_ruleset="local_ruleset" These rules also give access to /dev/da* which are usb storage devices, but also fixed SCSI disks and you shouldn't allow access to those. It's unlikely that you have these in a desktop system, but in case you do you can add additional rules to restrict permissions again. For instance if /dev/da0 is a fixed SCSI disk add the following: add path 'da0' user root group operator mode 0640 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 12:02:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBBBA7D0; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34120221A; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.185]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34F4B27363; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:02:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:02:22 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gleb Smirnoff , "Mike." Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:02:28 -0000 On 07/29/14 20:35, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:30:59PM -0400, Mike. wrote: > M> |> imho, the root problem here is that an effort to implement a > M> single > M> |> feature improvement (multi-threading) has caused the FreeBSD > M> version > M> |> of pf to apparently reach a near-unmaintainable position in the > M> |> FreeBSD community because improvements from OpenBSD can no longer > M> be > M> |> ported over easily. FreeBSD's pf has been put in a virtual > M> |> isolation chamber due to the multi-threaded enhancement. > M> |> > M> |> Was it worth it? > M> | > M> |Yes. This happened *three times* in BSD land now. How much more > M> |proof does it take to make that clear? > M> |[snip] > M> > M> In this instance, more proof would consist of pf development not > M> wallowing in inactivity. > M> > M> imo, tactical changes were implemented in pf without the strategic > M> negative consequences affecting the decision process guiding the > M> implementation of those tactical features. And that's backwards. > M> Strategies direct tactics, not vice versa. > > I would strongly disagree with you. I would claim that directions > I've put in pf in 2012 are strategically correct, while previous > life of pf in FreeBSD was not. > > History: pf appeared in FreeBSD in 2004 in 5.3-RELEASE. It was already > outdated. It isn't possible otherwise. While Max spent time on porting > some stable version, the OpenBSD moved forward. It was later updated > again by Max, and again right after update it was outdated. I mean > that people who a) believe that OpenBSD pf is the one true b) eager > for bleeding edge version, these people simply cannot be satisfied. > A porter needs to take latest stable version from OpenBSD and spend > some time working on it. So, pf in FreeBSD was always "outdated", > even before my SMP work on it. > Further history: in 2012 Ermal updates pf and 9.0-RELEASE is shipped. > In 2004 we've got 10 years of diverging developement between FreeBSD > and OpenBSD. In 2012 it was 18 years. Porting got harder. The pf in > 9.x is again outdated and introduces a number of bugs that were not > present in 8.x (regressions). Most regressions didn't came from OpenBSD, > but were artifacts of porting. Also, the number of #ifdefs in code > became so unbearable that no one would want to go through code > fixing bugs. > > In 2012 for me it was obvious that following this route is strategically > incorrect. You are never "up to date". You need more efforts to port > pf, and you yield in a port of worse and worse quality over time. > > So, in 2012 I put a lot of efforts to not only bring pf out of a > single mutex, but also make it more native to FreeBSD. You can > read this through commit logs. > > The net result is that we got our own pf, that can be maintained > further. Unfortunately, still no person is seen on horizon who can > take maintainership. > That explains it rather well. Thank you for the enlightenment on this. Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead of maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to having our own pf? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 12:42:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D217C72F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x22c.google.com (mail-qg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D91D2727 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e89so3809897qgf.3 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=t7wW1jWCaJC9nmYsHwnf6ShFLH5uecMVpP8fNkpKcE8=; b=id4e0N+7pp9e1dpVf38PO+5jsnt8e5PisKnoacY0/3eB2EaD9eybYZxk5FbvTKmU3u qCk/Ix5gp9hXwG2u3bltrXBNVCRuaKHLG3D70GTAurAgqOXmhHKNOvmvgHGGpTfwFttv FqimDP7mlFK92ADdGegaFmQeJEFWHPNhdSDQg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=t7wW1jWCaJC9nmYsHwnf6ShFLH5uecMVpP8fNkpKcE8=; b=AKX52oRlvLzrUvaWx/MzBBt50rPWbRxdP43XgyLfkVVdYB3GLiDtIyYTylUNCPDtfS GfV6MZZ0O+Gu+wt8SfFSumjjRuNlcTv/W7KDXZ+ACfJOOrknJ8eReyaTp7HRBDxP9nTf BEb+kM3jhLjixJYmH8gJ0JwGuthhcLaCKUoe7fM0KCjYWXNBiPOmFeexzhfi+A13eJGy Vw36FaFdgRFy315jYDt8DfxAymJgq+HphrrlK6ncUIjonZTkTRaMmX8E8FecygLgvyA8 6zllL8JrHMHX83rLHv1KgAXJPF4tQZ+jM9fPgiy4XsZWo2x6UuJEVPiSIkyyFXYKRg1Q QjLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlbXuzgno+BA9fEaSfTzm8uCBLH2R6EF0/RailFmzOmry9+NZ9sYPnH3vkEHwMK7AMdYXSO X-Received: by 10.224.111.193 with SMTP id t1mr17931037qap.103.1406810536406; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f23sm5847220qge.10.2014.07.31.05.42.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 05:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3hPB8k2Pwcz3DlTd for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:42:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:42:04 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140731084204.70f54672@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/vWUJ9q_pKmFllUy+DadfN_D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:42:17 -0000 --Sig_/vWUJ9q_pKmFllUy+DadfN_D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:02:22 +1000, Da Rock stated: >Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about=20 >pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead of=20 >maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to=20 >having our own pf? The advantage is obvious -- you would have total control over the code. The disadvantage is that there is no one else to blame if it goes south. I use IPFW exclusively. I am by no means an expert, but I have figured out how to get it working without having to read reams of documentation. There are several examples that can be used and boilerplate's to be found on the FreeBSD site. I believe that those examples could be updated and perhaps a few others added, but it is certainly a good start. I have always believed that if you are not going to do something right, then don't do it at all. Continuing to maintain an application that is not fully functional, and lets face it, "state of the art", is just an example of futility. There are always going to be those 10% of users who are going to bitch and moan like a group of whiny high school girls. Forget them. They will eventually get on board. Hell, there are morons who would consider this a l=C3=A8se majest=C3=A9, as they no doubt did when cities changed from gas l= ights to electric one. The inability or unwillingness to evolve and change leads to extinction. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/vWUJ9q_pKmFllUy+DadfN_D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT2jmlAAoJEElTsHIJnX8e+nEH/iYSePb2IXYlcgzjYNn/qrKh VpLHJQtgUaiRu6WkzmY62BSuECBGdI2FPvCaj0JGHUyewiPVixli+1GgTfKkjxMe p5mBE/1Bqq6Bvq6enxon4wtQB68f0KDHyiRVPS0eHKMruiaSMzYYMZAlPPBGVFnq LASpH+BgVrwCHONiif5r+Lz0CJBnz8FYwLsOgR9azxfh3B4keKAzY+7Rhpn6rksL 1y2dxC0pELwKdxEOKFiXnNL7GhS29bdiRPUdoLAYSrg5gIyKTui8gzxX8736j5H8 z8xpHIX/UPrwUBeoYyQddnaUajWugNtqKHYXtwNnriqL/1FnxYvsgRfkDPGIH0s= =uJoW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/vWUJ9q_pKmFllUy+DadfN_D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 12:48:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AD29A19 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "PositiveSSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEC9C27B2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (thetys.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.31]) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225601689C32 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:45:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.70] (daedalus.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0277C1689C02 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:45:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:47:52 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: FreeBS(s)D X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on thetys.cloudzeeland.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:48:00 -0000 Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which brands are most BSD compliant? Thanks, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 12:54:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C0B9FBC for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0205.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DC3C28B1 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] (2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df) by BY1PR0301MB0838.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.14; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:54:05 +0000 Message-ID: <53DA3C5D.3010001@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:53:49 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] X-ClientProxiedBy: BY2PR03CA070.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.249.43) To BY1PR0301MB0838.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.144) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 0289B6431E X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(189002)(199002)(24454002)(83322001)(80316001)(95666004)(65816999)(101416001)(50986999)(87266999)(81542001)(54356999)(102836001)(76176999)(31966008)(77096002)(85306003)(83506001)(33656002)(79102001)(81342001)(76482001)(46102001)(64706001)(65956001)(21056001)(65806001)(88552001)(74502001)(80022001)(110136001)(74662001)(105586002)(50466002)(87976001)(92566001)(59896001)(77982001)(558084003)(106356001)(47776003)(85852003)(83072002)(42186005)(2351001)(20776003)(107886001)(107046002)(89122001)(92726001)(4396001)(86362001)(75432001)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY1PR0301MB0838; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:54:17 -0000 On 2014.07.31 07:47, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which > brands are most BSD compliant? I doubt you'll have issues with any SSD. ZFS does support TRIM in newer releases. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 13:41:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3580F50; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (glebius.int.ru [81.19.69.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cell.glebius.int.ru", Issuer "cell.glebius.int.ru" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74DFE20BB; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6VDflZ7071560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:41:47 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s6VDflO1071559; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:41:47 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebius.int.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:41:47 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Da Rock Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: "Mike." , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:41:59 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: D> Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about D> pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead of D> maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to D> having our own pf? Is there any disadvantage keeping it? It is a plugin. It is optional and loadable. I removed most additions to the network stack that live outside netpfil/pf. Some people like it and use it. It is also the only tool to configure ALTQ now. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 13:43:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E08E1DE for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f41.google.com (mail-qg0-f41.google.com [209.85.192.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DBAF2105 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id q107so3985325qgd.14 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=t4i+pYQ0EdBk1mDB7MLdbogUGDoQgdwocHqWicrKrqg=; b=aCg/CGXLTcjqTJUz1jbEN2BCjtau6xbJlrqog0eZjgOluesWi5QBdbi0pxypiRADSz 2aqrVHB06L0Vk6uvqr6l1n3mZEUxJLysXDh8E0hFO2HHkPgEFz0tatPUm7CABQ6My8Kc dSaHKZE3PT33RsuPpmW5tdhP6w9yrTfuPpGpxSblmlPoUFVgPnr/YyhslC8yQsdcZirB RsirXN95vQSdcaqpa4Mu5hYufeDX8fQ6uPZQcVpOhLOtY6h0Hw1l21t4iMlN8cu5iCgs +meYY0SOWCu7ytZ2uVDdTtFJh9ve3+6aIlR5D6aHpho6Vo70r/n+VoB6iGMGlaH+uWYf TohQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl98oUTFM5hGIyKHTalrp6ZbmoZpwpnLOc7Ej3IcXDncmqQGN6GCHY8p6sl/YSSZ1cmdm8z X-Received: by 10.140.102.142 with SMTP id w14mr17309184qge.101.1406814227596; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm9622327qah.19.2014.07.31.06.43.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:42:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04767651-B0B7-4BBB-A10F-82A3E6F56544@kraus-haus.org> References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:43:54 -0000 On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:47, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which > brands are most BSD compliant? I am running 10.0 RELEASE on a pair of mirrored SSDs using ZFS. I have = not seen any issues. I have Kingston V300 120GB but only because they were on sale and I = tested with them before committing to them. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 14:22:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3384DAC for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A26EF264F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.100.112] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 14:22:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm103.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 14:22:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 14:22:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 824928.88395.bm@omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38244 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2014 14:22:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1406816564; bh=IU1feKvy5KDWzVsseS/yQNAPihHRUA1jaViouAPz9iQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ISVecKxg40m+6Hk0I0xt3I0zxk+14sF7vWAsfiRqZB4EiJpEY1pbMxWt+OMBUYk0qrgGXm7qJ1NpR/XhpF97mrIey/lOVSpRKNjVsx1eFSHPWL0JvgFL/xtsKZ2U4Gi7gEABRVS4AfZae8lo49v3YpD9Yd1mBlLAW2UjS/IL/JY= X-YMail-OSG: RdNbmjAVM1nfNSYBoPGMhd1aENBTzKXobGrhQ0mu1YlrHBO m6Nhvhyoo87Lu3542Ji8wZjYsF5HfdU19JjFyRRR.uP4dukP1wDYbj.bBTe3 LOzbvRVsp8CcLjGK8y0oEnN.Phre6n.AAREpv6x6NRVInFfXrm6wjHenQ8b8 9K2VP_MfjzfRs8wE4zHWr8byQEl_AIajzatsBJerP16UxbWdxR6l7_PNV0i7 AD6rRLcDhiWKBbtT5GV8_._iRRfTaXSdIIo_uJShsZYcCM2edtnfb_XxCB2u fnM8OPTllvZfz4.OwQBE77FNtCASz1gka1Mnp3epg45UTE0KNZqcBxt5lCR6 WArfDAVqrMgVSCjhu7yew2fOzsF3bh2oArVSuFS0U2T2ph.5IMQnUoXTC5Jq IWCd3FqP_a.SjzHm_WFL2G9quIZjBYIBqVhe28zRC5Ykjy2vhNNS.JU3KnZ5 PRFnhQu8BfnQhHEclKFzv_VJv2lkQ09V3Z1XA1ICi2l.2wpyryjUFN1PFJrZ L1p4KD9x_oBNRW_5JFOL1tygpPU_qbSkTCWvSgsopp9HBZh28n36cNdKTqTp Y4YmvuPBLzMo3Zhay.6tIVgW3rV.EZlu_tkrKnw0A3LqlypTNBdze3CCUoNT 34.FzTdnnksqje_pVrCYz3Ps- Received: from [174.57.138.2] by web120303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:22:44 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, DQpXYXJyZW4sDQoNClRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciByZXBseS4NCg0KWWVzLCB0aGUgbm9ybWFsIG5hbWVkIHN0YXJ0dXAgbWVzc2FnZXMgYXJlIGluIC92YXIvbG9nL21lc3NhZ2VzLCBidXQgYXBwZWFyIHRvIG9ubHkgYmUgdGhlcmUgYWZ0ZXIgbmFtZWQgaXMgc3RhcnRlZCBtYW51YWxseS4gIEkgZG8gbm90IHNlZSBhbnkgaW5kaWNhdGlvbiwgYXQgbGVhc3QgcmVjb3JkZWQgaW4gL3Zhci9sb2cvbWVzc2FnZXMsIHRoYXQgbmFtZWQgZXZlbiBhdHRlbXB0ZWQgdG8gc3RhcnQgb24gYm9vdC4gIEkgaGF2ZSABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/694 YahooMailWebService/0.8.198.689 Message-ID: <1406816564.4269.YahooMailBasic@web120303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:22:44 -0700 From: Burton Sampley Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-R-p7 bind9.9 starting named on boot? To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:22:53 -0000 Warren, Thank you for your reply. Yes, the normal named startup messages are in /var/log/messages, but appear= to only be there after named is started manually. I do not see any indica= tion, at least recorded in /var/log/messages, that named even attempted to = start on boot. I have removed the additional default flags from /etc/rc.co= nf. I have tried booting both with and without the additional flags; there= is no change. Apache has no problems starting up automagically, only name= d is giving me issues. Looking at the named rc.d file, I find the following block very interesting= : root@fbsd:/usr/local/etc/rc.d # /usr/bin/head ./named=20 #!/bin/sh # # $FreeBSD: head/dns/bind99/files/named.in 351487 2014-04-17 16:43:48Z mat = $ # # PROVIDE: named # REQUIRE: FILESYSTEMS defaultroute ldconfig # BEFORE: NETWORKING # KEYWORD: shutdown Especially the "BEFORE: NETWORKING" line. That does not seem correct. I added the following to /etc/rc.conf and rebooted: netwait_enable=3D"YES" netwait_ip=3D"" netwait_if=3D"em0" after reboot with the above changes: root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service named status named is not running. root@fbsd:~ # No error messages in /var/log/messages and the only entries for today for n= amed are the graceful shutdown messages. Once I start it manually using /u= sr/sbin/service, it starts without issue. root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service named status named is not running. root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service named start Starting named. root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service named status named is running as pid 1361. root@fbsd:~ # /usr/sbin/service apache24 status apache24 is running as pid 1245. root@fbsd:~ # The new /etc/rc.conf is: root@fbsd:~ # /usr/bin/more /etc/rc.conf hostname=3D"fbsd.chicken.fish" ifconfig_em0=3D"inet netmask 255.255.255.224" defaultrouter=3D"" netwait_enable=3D"YES" netwait_ip=3D"" netwait_if=3D"em0" sshd_enable=3D"YES" ntpd_enable=3D"YES" # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable dumpdev=3D"AUTO" zfs_enable=3D"YES" apache24_enable=3D"YES" postgresql_enable=3D"YES" named_enable=3D"YES" #named_program=3D"/usr/local/sbin/named" #named_conf=3D"/usr/local/etc/namedb/named.conf" root@fbsd:~ #=20 /var/log/messages after reboot: root@fbsd:~ # /usr/bin/grep named /var/log/messages Jul 31 08:30:30 fbsd named[1290]: stopping command channel on 127.0.0.1#953 Jul 31 08:30:30 fbsd named[1290]: stopping command channel on ::1#953 Jul 31 08:30:30 fbsd named[1290]: exiting root@fbsd:~ # /var/log/messages after manually starting named: root@fbsd:~ # /usr/bin/grep named /var/log/messages Jul 31 08:30:30 fbsd named[1290]: stopping command channel on 127.0.0.1#953 Jul 31 08:30:30 fbsd named[1290]: stopping command channel on ::1#953 Jul 31 08:30:30 fbsd named[1290]: exiting Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: starting BIND 9.9.5-P1 -u bind -c /usr/lo= cal/etc/namedb/named.conf Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: built with '--localstatedir=3D/var' '--di= sable-linux-caps' '--disable-symtable' '--with-randomdev=3D/dev/random' '--= with-libxml2=3D/usr/local' '--without-python' '--enable-filter-aaaa' '--dis= able-fixed-rrset' '--without-gost' '--without-idn' '--enable-ipv6' '--disab= le-largefile' '--disable-newstats' '--disable-rpz-nsdname' '--disable-rpz-n= sip' '--disable-rrl' '--with-openssl=3D/usr' '--with-gssapi=3D/usr/local' '= CFLAGS=3D-I/usr/local/include -O2 -pipe -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -fno-strict-alias= ing' 'LDFLAGS=3D-L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/lo= cal/lib -L/usr/local/lib' 'LIBS=3D-lkrb5 -lgssapi_krb5 ' '--with-dlz-postgr= es=3Dyes' '--with-dlz-mysql=3Dyes' '--with-dlz-ldap=3Dyes' '--with-dlz-stub= =3Dyes' '--disable-threads' '--sysconfdir=3D/usr/local/etc/namedb' '--prefi= x=3D/usr/local' '--mandir=3D/usr/local/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/local/info/' = '--build=3Dx86_64-portbld-freebsd10.0' 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-portbld-freebs= d10.0' 'CC=3Dcc' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-I/usr/local/include' 'CPP=3Dcpp' Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: -----------------------------------------= ----------- Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: BIND 9 is maintained by Internet Systems = Consortium, Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: Inc. (ISC), a non-profit 501(c)(3) public= -benefit=20 Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: corporation. Support and training for BI= ND 9 are=20 Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: available at https://www.isc.org/support Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: -----------------------------------------= ----------- Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: command channel listening on 127.0.0.1#95= 3 Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: command channel listening on ::1#953 Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: all zones loaded Jul 31 08:37:57 fbsd named[1361]: running root@fbsd:~ #=20 Any other suggestions? Regards, -Burton -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 7/30/14, Warren Block wrote: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-R-p7 bind9.9 starting named on boot? To: "Burton Sampley" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2014, 8:42 PM =20 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Burton Sampley via freebsd-questions wrote: =20 > I have installed 10.0-R and updated to p-7.=A0 I have installed Bind9.9=20 > from ports and have configured a local domain (chicken.fish), which is=20 > doing exactly what I want/need it to do ... until I reboot.=A0 It will=20 > not start automagically on reboot. I have added and confirmed=20 > 'named_enable=3D"YES" ' in /etc/rc.conf, but named is not running after=20 > a reboot.=A0 I checked dmesg and /var/log/messages, but did not see any =20 > error messages for named. I can manually start named with=20 > "/usr/sbin/service named start" and it will run without issue, until I=20 > reboot. =20 No error messages, but is the normal named startup message shown in=20 /var/log/messages? =20 > named_enable=3D"YES" =20 This is enough by itself. =20 > named_program=3D"/usr/local/sbin/named" > named_conf=3D"/usr/local/etc/namedb/named.conf" =20 Don't set these, they are defaults. =20 It works for me, so at least it is possible.=A0 The first thing that comes=20 to mind is that the machine may be starting named before the network=20 interface is up.=A0 See =A0=A0=A0man rc.conf | less -p netwait for a method of making the startup wait for an IP address to actually=20 become available before continuing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 14:32:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97E8BB7 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0241.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A800274A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] (2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df) by BY1PR0301MB0838.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.14; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: <53DA537C.9030202@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:32:28 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Goran Tepshic Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> <53DA3C5D.3010001@my.hennepintech.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] X-ClientProxiedBy: BN3PR0301CA0037.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.180.175) To BY1PR0301MB0838.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.144) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 0289B6431E X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(189002)(199002)(24454002)(99396002)(80316001)(83322001)(95666004)(65816999)(64126003)(101416001)(50986999)(87266999)(81542001)(54356999)(102836001)(76176999)(81342001)(31966008)(77096002)(85306003)(33656002)(79102001)(76482001)(1411001)(46102001)(64706001)(65956001)(21056001)(65806001)(88552001)(74502001)(80022001)(110136001)(74662001)(105586002)(87976001)(92566001)(50466002)(23676002)(59896001)(77982001)(106356001)(47776003)(85852003)(83072002)(42186005)(20776003)(107046002)(89122001)(92726001)(4396001)(86362001)(75432001)(89472002)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY1PR0301MB0838; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:32:47 -0000 On 2014.07.31 08:19, Goran Tepshic wrote: > Is ZFS really that much more awesome than UFS for regular desktop usage? > I noticed that pretty much majority of people in FreeBSD community advocate > ZFS, probably for it's features, but is it really that much more performant and > awesome than default file system? Yes, ZFS really is that awesome, but that isn't why I mentioned it. The OP may have heard of issues with ZFS and TRIM and so thought that there could be issues overall with using SSDs on FreeBSD. Sending back to the list since you probably meant to send it there instead of only to me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 14:46:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05D475D9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from host202-129-static.10-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it (host202-129-static.10-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it [188.10.129.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B297C2883 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.60] (MAURIZIO-PC [192.168.0.60]) by host202-129-static.10-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B4739B0; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53DA554F.8050800@cloverinformatica.it> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:40:15 +0200 From: Maurizio Vairani User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jos Chrispijn , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:46:04 -0000 Il 31/07/2014 14:47, Jos Chrispijn ha scritto: > Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which > brands are most BSD compliant? > > Thanks, > Jos Chrispijn > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" On a server I am running 9.3 PRELEASE on a pair of mirrored SSDs using ZFS from 02/2013. I have not seen any issues. I am using OCZ-VERTEX4 120GB. Maurizio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 14:49:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE252875 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7708228B9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6VEndRs036492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6VEndxS036489; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:49:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:49:42 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which > brands are most BSD compliant? I've used Plextor, Samsung, and Toshiba with FreeBSD, preferring the Marvell controllers. Here is how I set them up: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ssd.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 15:01:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1E73B51 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f46.google.com (mail-qg0-f46.google.com [209.85.192.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 807AD29C8 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id z60so3956497qgd.5 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=u3G9weaufCXmIovbmwGWnHR93LHEs76x075aUgCPu9o=; b=RQKMqJDac5FCr1EVjkB6HBhzmuCT68cc6KJoI0W8q/uvBJOWukdbOdCA2Ss52OPwjD beCFvTPFjbsP358mH8vkSN33Rg/xJ4wMeWSO9olxgu7YkostmXsgGe6jZUvf+MmKXVoY oUFKW3F7tPXzC0CtNoo6p4bLiOg8kvTu1e5VzIyZyQR7OhkPiJYMOs748Bot9cXXXGSV 640P6UQYivls3xdjizQyWBZQkKD/dpWxT8G7wCZH7NbAhwXRgjvzidyEU+zlqq9k2rU4 BwkCHmOtsu26jHuT72WmScHfnLNYipoPCHiP6odD2tHb5tr5AsgEK+FgYA6a6Q+s61Qf O+Cg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmgedsz7vNq4o3+HAp3sbALu7U8BVd6XU5hpEjw1pehLJuID5b6M1kBL2XBZ9HiQXSdhujt X-Received: by 10.224.37.72 with SMTP id w8mr19921815qad.58.1406818876513; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t3sm9928600qap.21.2014.07.31.08.01.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:01:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:01:24 -0000 On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:49, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >=20 >> Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which >> brands are most BSD compliant? >=20 > I've used Plextor, Samsung, and Toshiba with FreeBSD, preferring the = Marvell controllers. Good point Warren. The controllers matter (not just for the SSD but for = ZFS as well). You want plain AHCI controllers for ZFS, you do NOT want = RAID controllers. I have been very happy with the Marvell chipset based = controllers. I have also used the LSI 2208 on SuperMicro motherboards, = but they are more of a pain to configure the way I need them. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 15:07:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3DD1C84 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.bway.net (smtp1.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9080A2AAB for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gecko3.bs.net (host-216-220-115-88.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.88]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mfv@bway.net) by smtp1.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EA829586F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:07:42 -0400 From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pf / firewall with ftp-proxy In-Reply-To: <87egx2slkh.fsf@elke.bsdly.net> References: <53D1BFB5.60804@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <87egx2slkh.fsf@elke.bsdly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:07:51 -0000 On 30 Jul 2014 21:17:34 +0200 peter@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) wrote: > Da Rock writes: > > > Jumping in to this little fray... you're exactly right. But the > > handbook for pf says to go to openbsd for "better" info on how to > > setup pf, which then has instructions using a syntax that doesn't > > exist on FreeBSD. This is not just about google searches - although > > users end up going there because of the syntax issues. > > That was the case for a long time, but fortunately if you take a peek > at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-pf.html > now, it has a lot more text than it used to (based on my pf tutorial, > but extensively massaged by others) and an explicit warning on top > about the syntax differences. > > - Peter Hello Peter, Thanks for your comment and explanation of pf in the handbook. I also bought your book some years ago and found it to be very useful. However, I still have problems with ftp-proxy. From the handbook example I understand that it is _NOT_ possible to set it up on a client with only an external interface, though I'm not certain of this. My system is very simple: Host <--> Linksys Router <--> Modem <--> Internet Is it possible to to set up pf on the host as an ftp client without opening up all the ports above 1024? If so how? With thanks __o _.\<,_ Marek (+)/ (+) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 15:26:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 614D2E02 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D54262D4B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6VF1FEu068393; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:01:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <53DA5A3B.4020202@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:01:15 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jos Chrispijn , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:26:23 -0000 On 31/07/2014 13:47, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which > brands are most BSD compliant? My latest box, delivered last week, is happily running FBSD off a Samsung 840 Pro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 15:34:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32DA7158 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB6B72F35 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAFBD2771D; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:33:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6VFXtQw002372; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:33:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:33:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D Message-Id: <20140731173354.5a8e36e8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:34:06 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:47:52 +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which > brands are most BSD compliant? FreeBSD 10 on a Dell laptop with Intel 330 series SSD, 120 GB, 2.5", SATA, UFS dedicated. Works absolutely fine. No problems so far (approx. 1 year in use). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 16:25:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0C2AA9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:43:76:96:62:32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D66F269B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z0sN1o0061YDfWL534RmU5; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:25:46 +0000 Received: from sz0123.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z4Rm1o00G2xV5no3g4Rmat; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:25:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:25:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Saffa Kemokai To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1606696246.1091903.1406823943935.JavaMail.root@sz0123a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <303192663.1091884.1406823746952.JavaMail.root@sz0123a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Hosts communication on LAN MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:150.148.14.38] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1406823946; bh=OZjHz8YIfzzR4GQNtan/8kngFxcm1rcc5CVNzgSra6E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=uh2glsyDQ1i8n3D/U0aU5NUc3feA3BXHSJo31fjDNEo22X0M8eOPsDEXwH0SC7pWQ Ls2myVAelnP59FvxyP2k/UMHNoeQalML8lQowvYACy+QCfh+Q7bcQrRGQ+ncdfNa6q 6i+PDuGV1tlHC7ohBmA8XEtzlWANF8veyjbhLmeY0iiubEjuh19R472LvLc1y49D9v E3jp4j0f2ktlNXfwb3gaNs+F6ZOP1a1+EhFj+sw4pvk0IbIpdevqFLn2TGKMv4//XH KhOPxPJb8+3Xry12Xp7EwXNCYWmYiiPyijkuzL2Icks6KIcgIb0TNpK047vdfyO1Kh I9wZYEPs38RLA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:25:48 -0000 Hi All, My story is funny to myself. This is a FreeBSD 9.2 domain. It has been running about a month now. Last week Wednesday, ipfw was enabled. Things seemed to work pretty well after that. That is, no issues with Internet access, hosts can ping each other and the domain successfully. Between Thursday and Friday, a colleague remotely installed Drupal. On Saturday, problem surfaced with hosts not being able to connect with my domain on the same LAN on internet or ping a host on the same LAN. I can ping and connect with anything domain outside on the internet. And I can ping any host outside of LAN. We went back and removed all firewal directives but that had not made any difference . I am using Comcast Business Class connection. Comcasts techs have checked their end and said their configurations are correct. What am I missing? Thanks, Saffa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 16:33:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F883EE for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C7B1278D for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6VGXQ6i061977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:33:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6VGXQud061974; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:33:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:33:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Paul Kraus Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:28 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Paul Kraus wrote: > On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:49, Warren Block wrote: >> >> I've used Plextor, Samsung, and Toshiba with FreeBSD, preferring the Marvell controllers. > > Good point Warren. The controllers matter (not just for the SSD but > for ZFS as well). You want plain AHCI controllers for ZFS, you do NOT > want RAID controllers. True, but I was talking about the onboard controllers on the SSDs themselves. There are two common ones out there: Marvell and Sandforce. Sandforce controllers show high speeds on compressible data, but seem to have more problems. I have used Kingston SSDs with Sandforce controllers in a couple of Windows machines without problems, but not for myself or for any serious duration with FreeBSD. Samsung controllers are or were Marvell-based but customized. Plextor uses LiteOn SSDs with Marvell controllers and custom firmware. Intel has custom firmware on Sandforce controllers for many of their new drives. Other vendors use stock controllers and stock firmware, Crucial being big on the Marvell side, and many others using Sandforce. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 16:49:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE5E5AD4 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv198.fwdcdn.com (frv198.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6798328D8 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=ffe; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Cc:To:Subject:From:Date; bh=hyJ+ZenPZXmpge+MXJ8QI4Se7Di2MIKR6b6C8DdqKPA=; b=jCUrk4xRYGX57WvbWB/Y9bkRlLaQfo9qBIQ09le5sAEK+BrgHIIcoPGz9av746mQqTlU0DMb6C8n/N4rbnBB4lec080p5IrMYHyn3WBbIKp3g2ee4bLeIqKts4GH3zAdaZ+ZlcVEAxaDQoJKv4jdi685MLikH8cIS7zpvAqS8As=; Received: from [10.10.10.35] (helo=frv35.fwdcdn.com) by frv198.fwdcdn.com with smtp ID 1XCtXF-000A1a-Fi for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:48:57 +0300 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:48:56 +0300 From: Vladislav Prodan Subject: Re: vlan address-aliassing not working To: Paul Blockhaus X-Mailer: mail.ukr.net 5.0 Message-Id: <1406825080.567617631.8yxkvawh@frv35.fwdcdn.com> In-Reply-To: <20140731123414.388112e1@paul-pc.mbnet.de> References: <20140731123414.388112e1@paul-pc.mbnet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from universite@ukr.net by frv35.fwdcdn.com; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:48:57 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:49:09 -0000 --- Original message --- From: "Paul Blockhaus" Date: 31 July 2014, 13:35:18 > Hello Guys, > > recently I set up ezjail on my UTM and made aliasses for my vlan, so > far no problems, but after reboot the aliases for the vlans hasn't been > recreated, only for the physical non-vlan NICs. > Any Ideas why the aliases weren't created, is it my mistake? > > Greetings Paul > > my /etc/rc.conf: ... > ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > vlans_em0="50 150" > ifconfig_em0_50="inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_em0_150="inet 192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ... > ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_em0.50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_em0_150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" Use the following settings: cloned_interfaces="vlan50 vlan150" ifconfig_vlan50="inet 192.168.2.1/24 vlan 50 vlandev em0 mtu 1500 up" ifconfig_vlan150="inet 192.168.6.1/24 vlan 150 vlandev em0 mtu 1500 up" ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2/24" ifconfig_vlan50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3/24" ifconfig_vlan150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2/24" -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator support.od.ua From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 17:01:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99EA9DB3 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhub.siol.net (mailoutvs7.siol.net [213.250.19.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B2AE2A7A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.siol.net (Zimbra) with ESMTP id 7B0C15217F5 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:53:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at psrvmta03.zcs-production.pri Received: from mailhub.siol.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psrvmta03.zcs-production.pri [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XxPBcXERWLyk for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server.POZAR.local (BSN-61-65-11.static.dsl.siol.net [86.61.65.11]) by mailhub.siol.net (Zimbra) with ESMTP id 1C36F521871 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1715662512==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: contact your bank immediately To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "United Nation" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:55 +0200 Reply-To: info-magnumbank@smallinvestors.net Message-Id: <20140731165316.1C36F521871@mailhub.siol.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:01:00 -0000 You will not see this in a MIME-aware mail reader. --===============1715662512== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: Mail message body pleas view the attached letter and contact him immediately for your cheque/= bank draft Congratulations, and I look forward to hear from you as soon as you confirm= your payment making the world a better place. Regards, Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon --===============1715662512== Content-Type: application/octet-stream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Your Bank Draft.rtf" e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcYW5zaWNwZzEyNTBcZGVmZjBcZGVmbGFuZzEwNjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZz d2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDIzOHtcKlxmbmFtZSBBcmlhbDt9QXJpYWwgQ0U7fX0NCntcKlxnZW5lcmF0 b3IgTXNmdGVkaXQgNS40MS4yMS4yNTAwO31cdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGJcZjBcZnMyMCAg XHBhcg0KVW5pdGVkIE5hdGlvbnMgQ29tcGVuc2F0aW9uIFVuaXQsIEluIEFmZmlsaWF0aW9uIHdp dGggV29ybGQgQmFuayBPdXIgUmVmOiBVLk4vV0JPLzA0MlVLLzIwMTIuXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KQ29u Z3JhdHVsYXRpb25zIEJlbmVmaWNpYXJ5LFxwYXINClxwYXINCkhvdyBhcmUgeW91IHRvZGF5PyBI b3BlIGFsbCBpcyB3ZWxsIHdpdGggeW91IGFuZCBmYW1pbHk/IFlvdSBtYXkgbm90IHVuZGVyc3Rh bmQgd2h5IHRoaXMgbWFpbCBjYW1lIHRvIHlvdS4gV2UgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGhhdmluZyBhIG1lZXRp bmcgZm9yIHRoZSBwYXN0IDcgbW9udGhzIHdoaWNoIGp1c3QgZW5kZWQgZmV3IGRheXMgYWdvIHdp dGggdGhlIHNlY3JldGFyeSB0byB0aGUgVU5JVEVEIE5BVElPTlMuIFRoaXMgZW1haWwgaXMgdG8g YWxsIHRoZSBwZW9wbGUgdGhhdCBoYXZlIGJlZW4gc2NhbW1lZCBpbiBhbnkgcGFydCBvZiB0aGUg d29ybGQsIHRoZSBVTklURUQgTkFUSU9OUyBpbiBBZmZpbGlhdGlvbiB3aXRoIFdPUkxEIEJBTksg aGF2ZSBhZ3JlZWQgdG8gY29tcGVuc2F0ZSB0aGVtIHdpdGggdGhlIHN1bSBvZiBVU0QgJDUwMCww MDAuMDAgRG9sbGFycy5ccGFyDQpccGFyDQpUaGlzIGluY2x1ZGVzIGV2ZXJ5IGZvcmVpZ24gY29u dHJhY3RvcnMgdGhhdCBtYXkgaGF2ZSBub3QgcmVjZWl2ZWQgdGhlaXIgY29udHJhY3Qgc3VtLCBh bmQgcGVvcGxlIHRoYXQgaGF2ZSBoYWQgYW4gdW5maW5pc2hlZCB0cmFuc2FjdGlvbiBvciBpbnRl cm5hdGlvbmFsIGJ1c2luZXNzZXMgdGhhdCBmYWlsZWQgZHVlIHRvIEdvdmVybm1lbnQgcHJvYmxl bXMgZXRjLiBXZSBmb3VuZCB5b3VyIG5hbWUgaW4gdGhlIGxpc3Qgb2YgdGhvc2Ugd2hvIGFyZSB0 byBiZW5lZml0IGZyb20gdGhlc2UgY29tcGVuc2F0aW9uIGV4ZXJjaXNlIGFuZCB0aGF0IGlzIHdo eSB3ZSBhcmUgY29udGFjdGluZyB5b3UsIHRoaXMgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGFncmVlZCB1cG9uIGFuZCBo YXZlIGJlZW4gc2lnbmVkLiBZb3UgYXJlIGFkdmlzZWQgdG8gY29udGFjdCBEci5QQVRSSUNFIFRF TUUgb2Ygb3VyIHBheWluZyBjZW50ZXIgaW4gQWZyaWNhLCBhcyBoZSBpcyBvdXIgcmVwcmVzZW50 YXRpdmUgaW4gTmlnZXJpYSwgY29udGFjdCBoaW0gaW1tZWRpYXRlbHkgZm9yIHlvdXIgQ2hlcXVl LyBJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIEJhbmsgRHJhZnQgb2YgVVNEJDUwMCwwMDAuMDAgRG9sbGFycy5ccGFy DQpccGFyDQpUaGlzIGZ1bmQgaXMgaW4gZm9ybSBvZiBhIEJhbmsgRHJhZnQgZm9yIHNlY3VyaXR5 IHB1cnBvc2Ugb2s/IFNvIGhlIHdpbGwgc2VuZCBpdCB0byB5b3UgYW5kIHlvdSBjYW4gY2xlYXIg aXQgaW4gYW55IGJhbmsgb2YgeW91ciBjaG9pY2UuIFRoZXJlZm9yZSwgeW91IHNob3VsZCBzZW5k IGhpbSB5b3VyIGZ1bGwgTmFtZSBhbmQgdGVsZXBob25lIG51bWJlciB5b3VyIGNvcnJlY3QgbWFp bGluZyBhZGRyZXNzIHdoZXJlIHlvdSB3YW50IGhpbSB0byBzZW5kIHRoZSBEcmFmdCB0byB5b3Uu IENvbnRhY3QgRHIuUEFUUklDRSBURU1FIG9mIE1BR05VTSBQTEMgUEFZTUVOVCBDRU5URVIgd2l0 aCB5b3VyIHBheW1lbnQgY29kZTpTVC9EUEkvODI5IGltbWVkaWF0ZWx5IGZvciB5b3VyIENoZXF1 ZSBhdCB0aGUgZ2l2ZW4gYWRkcmVzcyBiZWxvdzpccGFyDQpccGFyDQpESVJFQ1RPUiBJTiBDSEFS R0U6IERSLlBBVFJJQ0UgVEVNRVxwYXINCkUtTUFJTDogaW5mby1tYWdudW1iYW5rQHNtYWxsaW52 ZXN0b3JzLm5ldFxwYXINClRFTEVQSE9ORTorMjM0LTgxMDIwODYyNzVccGFyDQpGQVg6ICsyMzQt MS04OTY4ODUwXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KSSBhcG9sb2dpemUgb24gYmVoYWxmIG9mIG15IG9yZ2FuaXph dGlvbiBmb3IgYW55IGRlbGF5IHlvdSBtaWdodCBoYXZlIGVuY291bnRlcmVkIGluIHJlY2Vpdmlu ZyB5b3VyIGZ1bmQgaW4gdGhlIHBhc3QuIFRoYW5rcyBhbmQgR29kIGJsZXNzIHlvdSBhbmQgeW91 ciBmYW1pbHkuIEhvcGluZyB0byBoZWFyIGZyb20geW91IGFzIHNvb24gYXMgeW91IGNhc2ggeW91 ciBCYW5rIERyYWZ0LiBNYWtpbmcgdGhlIHdvcmxkIGEgYmV0dGVyIHBsYWNlLlxwYXINClxwYXIN CllvdSBhcmUgcmVxdWlyZWQgdG8gY29udGFjdCB0aGUgYWJvdmUgcGVyc29uIGFuZCBmdXJuaXNo IGhpbSB3aXRoIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgb2YgeW91ciBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiB0aGF0IHdpbGwgYmUg cmVxdWlyZWQgdG8gYXZvaWQgYW55IG1pc3Rha2VzOi1ccGFyDQpccGFyDQoxLiBZb3VyIEZ1bGwg bmFtZTpccGFyDQpccGFyDQoyLiBZb3VyIENvdW50cnk6XHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KMy4gQ29udGFjdCBB ZGRyZXNzOlxwYXINClxwYXINCjQuIFRlbGVwaG9uZSBOdW1iZXI6XHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KNS4gRmF4 IE51bWJlcjpccGFyDQpccGFyDQo2LiBNYXJpdGFsIFN0YXR1czpccGFyDQpccGFyDQo3LiBPY2N1 cGF0aW9uOlxwYXINClxwYXINCjguIFNleDpccGFyDQpccGFyDQo5LiBBZ2U6XHBhcg0KXHBhcg0K Q29uZ3JhdHVsYXRpb25zLCBhbmQgSSBsb29rIGZvcndhcmQgdG8gaGVhciBmcm9tIHlvdSBhcyBz b29uIGFzIHlvdSBjb25maXJtIHlvdXIgcGF5bWVudCBtYWtpbmcgdGhlIHdvcmxkIGEgYmV0dGVy IHBsYWNlLlxwYXINClxwYXINClJlZ2FyZHMsXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy51bi5vcmcv c2cvXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KfQ0KAA== --===============1715662512==-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 17:08:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DC29302 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A0292B04 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id j15so2580261qaq.39 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WJEtUs4x9Bw6x6gOJYNoIO+4tzHxGpEIN/gdaJPAJ9s=; b=DccZDTz5/loVAoarW/j1n4QaG2umf34M0JxxqmkOccx/+i6q+d07dzVLYlV8bnFbRj JdX2lozzlxMiJw3zpRWYhgj6xRLxT7xt8Z4LGmuAtG3U7Mc4pVSQR5XObVlh/ksUDonj YI5+XLrgkzkoBa1yNSm9Ge3BANMMi+Hzb6EF+5rgNJtoQxCu5DdV5KcUp1C0XedekziR AGszizvtFGY4CjAI8TxGvbD+8pR0Qucyt+uxKqphH6ipCkOaPBlUYhKk7GUxIdiDVNqK hBkCtBk1pZzPnt1mPRvn1SSLbvqX9Yq9NPdbxPfn7P+WqQZYUdflEaNvenxDJq6QKsss 4mZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmuRI0GnDSLpsEJ8DYmKI52QcVo1h8EalBsZHkLwcceFPeO5fDo4/0+vgE0wmCuD3HT/dgi X-Received: by 10.140.83.49 with SMTP id i46mr19341112qgd.22.1406826506892; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k8sm5976328qad.6.2014.07.31.10.08.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:08:25 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7FAD6DAA-56F9-4F74-9E6B-A5AD310326F0@kraus-haus.org> References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:08:34 -0000 On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:33, Warren Block wrote: > True, but I was talking about the onboard controllers on the SSDs = themselves. There are two common ones out there: Marvell and Sandforce. I had not thought about that. I knew about Sandforce controllers (as a = bunch of SSD manufactures tout that they are using them). > Sandforce controllers show high speeds on compressible data, but seem = to have more problems. I have used Kingston SSDs with Sandforce = controllers in a couple of Windows machines without problems, but not = for myself or for any serious duration with FreeBSD. I have not had any issues with the Kingston (Sandforce) units, and I = have pounded on them in pre-production testing. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 17:11:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D7A86EA for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84c3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C7C72B30 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from app02.ox.hosteurope.de ([92.51.170.9]); authenticated by wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) id 1XCtsz-0006R3-9C; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:25 +0200 (CEST) From: wp1160256-paul Reply-To: wp1160256-paul To: Vladislav Prodan Message-ID: <1634671217.97151.1406826685276.open-xchange@app02.ox.hosteurope.de> In-Reply-To: <1406825080.567617631.8yxkvawh@frv35.fwdcdn.com> References: <20140731123414.388112e1@paul-pc.mbnet.de> <1406825080.567617631.8yxkvawh@frv35.fwdcdn.com> Subject: Re: vlan address-aliassing not working MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.4.2-Rev30 X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; paul@mueller-blockhaus.de; 1406826688; 8da35263; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:11:28 -0000 Thanks, I read, it works with other names of the vlans, but why not with these? Isn't this the new default of the vlannames? Greetings Paul > Vladislav Prodan hat am 31. Juli 2014 um 18:48 > geschrieben: > > > > > > --- Original message --- > From: "Paul Blockhaus" > Date: 31 July 2014, 13:35:18 > > > > > Hello Guys, > > > > recently I set up ezjail on my UTM and made aliasses for my vlan, so > > far no problems, but after reboot the aliases for the vlans hasn't been > > recreated, only for the physical non-vlan NICs. > > Any Ideas why the aliases weren't created, is it my mistake? > > > > Greetings Paul > > > > my /etc/rc.conf: > ... > > ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > vlans_em0="50 150" > > ifconfig_em0_50="inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_em0_150="inet 192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ... > > ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_em0.50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_em0_150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > Use the following settings: > cloned_interfaces="vlan50 vlan150" > > ifconfig_vlan50="inet 192.168.2.1/24 vlan 50 vlandev em0 mtu 1500 up" > ifconfig_vlan150="inet 192.168.6.1/24 vlan 150 vlandev em0 mtu 1500 up" > > ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2/24" > ifconfig_vlan50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3/24" > ifconfig_vlan150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2/24" > > > > -- > Vladislav V. Prodan > System & Network Administrator > support.od.ua > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 18:40:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94910A9D for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ozzie.tundraware.com", Issuer "ozzie.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54FAF269F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6VIda2u012839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:39:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <53DA8D68.9040508@tundraware.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:39:36 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Help With ipwf Rules Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:39:37 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: s6VIda2u012839 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:40:18 -0000 I am working on a FreeBSD 10-STABLE machine that has two NICS: re0 - Connects to the internet em0 - NATs to a private flat Class C LAN (192.168...) There is already an IPFW ruleset in place, primarily to control who can get in via re0 - pretty much anything is allowed out from the FreeBSD machine itself and from the 192 network. I need to add a few additional ipfw rules to do the following: 1) Bandwidth shaping/management. I need to ensure that the total amount of bandwidth being used by hosts on the LAN never exceeds, say, 3 mb/sec down and 1 mb/sec up. Then I need a similar rule for traffic originating ON the FreeBSD box itself. 2) I need to create rules that permit a VOIP phone to plug in on the NATed LAN and still work properly. I am somewhat familiar with ipfw having set up the original rule set but I am a bit unclear on how to do these two things. The help of some kind soul with the expertise would be most appreciated ... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 20:48:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4BDC4C4 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 20:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "PositiveSSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 638BD25D4 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 20:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (thetys.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.31]) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189241689C32; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.70] (daedalus.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by thetys.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2BBC1689C02; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:45:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53DAABA1.5040205@webrz.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:48:33 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jos Chrispijn , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBS(s)D References: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <53DA3AF8.2090600@webrz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on thetys.cloudzeeland.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 20:48:35 -0000 Jos Chrispijn: Can you tell me if I can use SSD media to run FreeBSD on and which brands are most BSD compliant? Great comments guys; thanks for sharing. Indead read some about issues with ZFS and TRIM and thought it might affect some SSD brands icw FreeBSD. Best regards, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 23:33:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45934750 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 23:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6A92992 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 23:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ZBZJ1o0084XeM0101BZJv8; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:35 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: how to grab text w/ fcanf Message-ID: <20140731233335.GA24151@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 23:33:21 -0000 ===== Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 28 years of service to the Unix community. guys, need some insight before I lose it {completely}. I've got a *.c file that returns in [let's say] /tmp/share/voice a bunch of files named: "text.1.txt", "text.2.txt", "text.3.txt" ... text.N-1.txt", each file containing a few sentences of plain ol' ASCII or [whatever] text. what is the easiest way, in C, *knowing the count=N*, to grab the *text files and stuff the paragraphs into a global buffer: char *parabuffer[1024]; ?? I'll usr the parabuffer strings in a GTK+ 3.0 window. (note that I've already figured out how to display the paragraphs in window "label" widgets that are left-justified. tia, y'all, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-eight years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 23:48:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2542099E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 23:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAA422AC9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 23:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.81] ([172.15.184.248]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MQRGU-1X34S62VjQ-00Tkso for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:48:42 +0200 Message-ID: <53DAD63F.4060100@gmx.us> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:50:23 -0400 From: Dutch Ingraham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Audio CDs Not Playing References: <53D6E32B.7030103@gmx.us> <20140731130130.44eced30@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <20140731130130.44eced30@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:JlWB9haezwSDq3V26jQAdJ/00dlzgv/4p303B3F1ynR1X/yDPp5 jlu/OxbhFY8jgomYWorhExVL/AtEdbIEczfISdpspUTFMVrMr/QKs7gL5RsWmeuBhYPoKf7 cGqFG+KU0NY1ZWwq2jUbnbEQk5RrKrqhdKAiB6vfdLDCHlxxU/VHp1MtLlQub4jTjet7GIa Iu7I53LhZy2Bi0nQ1E4oA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 23:48:50 -0000 On 07/31/2014 07:01 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:56:27 -0400 Dutch Ingraham wrote: >> Greetings: >> >> I'm having trouble with playing audio CDs; specifically, they won't >> play at all. Secondarily, it appears as though, if they would play, I >> would need to be root to do so. >> >> My system stats are as follows: : >> FreeBSD dutch.freebsd.net 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: >> Tue Jul 8 06:37:44 UTC 2014 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> >> I am issuing the command and the CD >> simply will not play, or move in any way. However, if I issue >> , the CD will eject; if I issue >> , I will receive the tracks information, etc. >> So it appears as though communication is happening, but the CD will not >> play. If I issue these commands as a regular user, I receive a >> "permission denied" message; if run as root, simply nothing happens - >> no error, nothing. In fact issuing returns 0. >> >> I have read the handbook sections on multimedia and setting up the >> sound card, and believe I've done everything by the book. For example, >> returns: >> >> hdac0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x04201028 >> chip=0x3a6e8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' >> device = '82801JD/DO (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller' >> class = multimedia >> subclass = HDA >> >> and I have loaded, individually, both the snd_hda and snd_ich drivers >> with the same result (the hardware notes are ambiguous on this note). >> >> The only somewhat useful information is returned by > -f /dev/cd0 debug on> which returns: >> >> "cdcontrol: Inappropriate ioctl for device" However, a google search >> has not informed me as to what this means or how to correct. >> >> If someone could point me in the correct direction, I'd be appreciative. >> >> PS - This issue is not limited to CLI commands; VLC will issue the >> error "VLC is unable to open the MRL 'cdda:///dev/cd0'. Check the >> log for details." There is no log info that I can find. In addition, I >> can burn a cd with xfburn, but only as root. > > cdcontrol sends a special command to let the drive itself play an audio > cd. This requires that the firmware supports those commands and that > the drive is connected to your sound card. Modern media players like > VLC don't play an audio cd like that. Instead they basically read the > raw data of the cd, apply effects to it like bass, treble and volume > changes and then send that to your sound card. This is much more > flexible and is probably the reason why more and more cdrom drives no > longer support the cdcontrol commands. > > To let users play an audio cd they must have access to /dev/cd0. On > desktop systems I create a separate group for that called plugdev > (pluggable devices) and then set permission on /dev/cd0 like this: > > crw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 0x4e 31 jul 08:56 /dev/cd0 > > Now users in the plugdev group can access the cdrom. To set these > permissions you can use chgrp(1) and chmod(1) but this will be reset > when you reboot. To make these permissions permanent you have to > create (or modify) /etc/devfs.rules. Mine looks like this: > > -------------------- > [local_ruleset=10] > > #allow plugdev to access the cdrom > add path cd0 user root group plugdev mode 0660 > > #allow plugdev to access usb mass storage > add path 'da*' user root group plugdev mode 0660 > -------------------- > > To activate these rules you must also add the following line to > /etc/rc.conf: > > devfs_system_ruleset="local_ruleset" > > These rules also give access to /dev/da* which are usb storage devices, > but also fixed SCSI disks and you shouldn't allow access to those. > It's unlikely that you have these in a desktop system, but in case you > do you can add additional rules to restrict permissions again. For > instance if /dev/da0 is a fixed SCSI disk add the following: > > add path 'da0' user root group operator mode 0640 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thanks everyone for the excellent explanations. To update: I originally installed vlc, and when that didn't work, I dropped back to the cli for its (apparent) ease of use and debugging. I figured if the cli commands worked, my problem was with vlc, so I could focus on that; if nether worked, there was likely some lower-lever issue causing both vlc and the cli commands to fail. I was wrong. I failed to consider that there could actually be one failure-type for vlc and one for , which is what it looks like is happening. I did get vlc working. I can't be positive of what the problem was, but the vlc failure occurred at about the same time I was having an issue with gnutls. Specifically, I had installed vlc, which drags gnutls with it, when I was using ports updated with portsnap. I then changed to svn, and was having problems with versioning of gnutls. (The problem was a change from gnutls3-3.1.25_3 to gnutls-3.2.16_3) So, I uninstalled gnutls, which took vlc with it. Upon reinstalling both, vlc works. I don't think it was gnutls, but I can't determine with certainty what it was at this point. As to Tijl's fantastic explanation above, I've taken your advice and made those changes, which will undoubtedly save me countless headaches. I would vote to include that information in the Handbook and the man page (which doesn't appear to have been updated with this information and which likely affects many users; last updated in 2008.)) Thanks again for all your help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 00:00:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A59EB3C for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E5722BA7 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A107C2524E; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:00:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s7100OA3003855; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:00:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:00:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: how to grab text w/ fcanf Message-Id: <20140801020024.bf03b2d3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140731233335.GA24151@ethic.thought.org> References: <20140731233335.GA24151@ethic.thought.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:00:28 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:35 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > I've got a *.c file that returns in [let's say] > > /tmp/share/voice > > a bunch of files named: "text.1.txt", "text.2.txt", > "text.3.txt" ... text.N-1.txt", each file containing a few > sentences of plain ol' ASCII or [whatever] text. > > what is the easiest way, in C, *knowing the count=N*, to > grab the *text files and stuff the paragraphs into a global > buffer: char *parabuffer[1024]; ?? I think scandir() is what you're searching for, in combination with alphasort() to get the "natural" ordering of the files. Plain C. Example code: #include #include #include ... struct dirent **namelist; int i,n; n = scandir(".", &namelist, 0, alphasort); if (n < 0) perror("scandir"); else { for (i = 0; i < n; i++) { printf("%s\n", namelist[i]->d_name); free(namelist[i]); } } free(namelist); ... Source for example: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/alphasort.html You can iterate over namelist[] and access the d_name structure member for the file name, and then use string operations like strlcmp() or strnstr() to check for desired entries (given a file mask, such as "test.*.txt", as a pattern). See "man scandir" for details. Maybe consider readdir(), see "man readdir" which contains the following example: len = strlen(name); dirp = opendir("."); while ((dp = readdir(dirp)) != NULL) if (dp->d_namlen == len && !strcmp(dp->d_name, name)) { (void)closedir(dirp); return FOUND; } (void)closedir(dirp); return NOT_FOUND; If this is too complicated, you could do the following, but know that it's quick and _very_ dirty: sprintf() the filenames with a counter N in the _known_ (!) pattern and test if the files do exist, with fopen(); if fopen() fails, you know that no further files will follow, you decrease the counter by 1 and have the last valid index. :-) As I initially said, this is quite low level C. Maybe you can see something more elegant in the Gtk 3 documentation? But if it has to be C, the suggested solutions are possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 00:37:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F75489 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AB4820A6 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4218827640; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:37:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s710boRO004093; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:37:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:37:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: how to grab text w/ fcanf Message-Id: <20140801023749.8752a6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140731233335.GA24151@ethic.thought.org> References: <20140731233335.GA24151@ethic.thought.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:37:52 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:35 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > what is the easiest way, in C, *knowing the count=N*, to > grab the *text files and stuff the paragraphs into a global > buffer: char *parabuffer[1024]; ?? Addition: For every _desired_ file name you've obtained, do the following: fopen() the file in "r" mode, fgets() the line (or each line) into a read buffer, maybe postprocess the buffer, and then append it to the parabuffer. Use strlcat() to make sure you're not crossing the edge of the string, so allocate sufficient space. Finally fclose() the file when feof() tells you that the end has arrived. THEN GOTO NEXT. :-) See "man strcat" on why not to use strcat() or strncat(), section SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 02:29:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DCB95F7 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F39912A6F for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-76-3.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.3]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s712TGsP024202 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:29:16 -0500 Message-ID: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:35:30 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050808080406070706000804" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 02:29:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050808080406070706000804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then SGI), Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I just apparently completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a purpose-built computer, Jaguar Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell option from the partition dialog (used a shell script, redirected & captured most of the output, although I saw a fair amount go by on the screen), did everything else I *think* you are supposed to do, & finished the install. I (tried to) reboot into the newly installed system & get the following, see attached, done from memory since I couldn't otherwise record the screen. Remember: I am a noob at FreeBSD :-) !!!! -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. --------------050808080406070706000804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="LIST.FreeBSD-9.3.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="LIST.FreeBSD-9.3.txt" not ufs not ufs not ufs gptboot: no loader @ 0:ad(0p3)/boot/loader gptboot: no kernel @ 0:ad(0p3)/boot/2kernel/kernel FreeBSD:GXEboot default: 0:ad(0p3)/boot/2kernel/kernel boot: --------------050808080406070706000804-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 02:40:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98B6C7AF for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BEB92B6D for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 02:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD2BC3CD36; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 04:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s712eNVZ005288; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 04:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 04:40:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... Message-Id: <20140801044023.68b690f6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 02:40:33 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:35:30 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > [...] I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell option from the > partition dialog (used a shell script, redirected & captured most of the > output, although I saw a fair amount go by on the screen), did > everything else I *think* you are supposed to do, & finished the > install. I (tried to) reboot into the newly installed system & get the > following, see attached, done from memory since I couldn't otherwise > record the screen. Remember: I am a noob at FreeBSD :-) !!!! > [...] > not ufs > not ufs > not ufs > gptboot: no loader @ 0:ad(0p3)/boot/loader > gptboot: no kernel @ 0:ad(0p3)/boot/2kernel/kernel > > FreeBSD:GXEboot > default: 0:ad(0p3)/boot/2kernel/kernel > boot: Hmmm... the "2" in "2kernel" looks strange, as the default path to the kernel is /boot/kernel/kernel. The boot process tries to access /boot/2kernel/kernel and cannot find it. You could try to manually enter the correct path at the boot: prompt (like the default: setting, but with the "2" removed). In worst case, re-install the GPT boot block to reflect the correct setting. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 03:19:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96D77DCC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 03:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A70E2152 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 03:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-76-3.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.3]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s713JGlP023134 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: <53DB08AB.7040400@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:25:31 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <20140801044023.68b690f6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140801044023.68b690f6.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 03:19:18 -0000 On 07/31/14 21:40, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:35:30 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> [...] I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell option from the >> partition dialog (used a shell script, redirected & captured most of the >> output, although I saw a fair amount go by on the screen), did >> everything else I *think* you are supposed to do, & finished the >> install. I (tried to) reboot into the newly installed system & get the >> following, see attached, done from memory since I couldn't otherwise >> record the screen. Remember: I am a noob at FreeBSD :-) !!!! >> [...] >> not ufs >> not ufs >> not ufs >> gptboot: no loader @ 0:ad(0p3)/boot/loader >> gptboot: no kernel @ 0:ad(0p3)/boot/2kernel/kernel >> >> FreeBSD:GXEboot >> default: 0:ad(0p3)/boot/2kernel/kernel >> boot: > Hmmm... the "2" in "2kernel" looks strange, as the default path > to the kernel is /boot/kernel/kernel. The boot process tries to > access /boot/2kernel/kernel and cannot find it. You could try > to manually enter the correct path at the boot: prompt (like > the default: setting, but with the "2" removed). In worst case, > re-install the GPT boot block to reflect the correct setting. > > > The '2' is a typo in the e-mail, ignore it :-/ .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 03:33:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDF52FD5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 03:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7973822B2 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 03:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s713XOln099672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s713XO4D099669; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:33:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... In-Reply-To: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 03:33:26 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then SGI), > Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I just apparently > completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a purpose-built computer, Jaguar > Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I > partitioned the HDD;s using the shell option from the partition dialog (used > a shell script, Why? What did the shell script do? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 04:14:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBC817DA for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 04:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B91F26CF for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 04:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ZGEM1o0094XeM0101GENXZ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:14:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:14:39 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20140801041439.GA13100@ethic.thought.org> References: <20140731233335.GA24151@ethic.thought.org> <20140801023749.8752a6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140801023749.8752a6b8.freebsd@edvax.de> (Subject: Re: how to grab text w/ fcanf User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:14:30 -0000 ===== Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 28 years of service to the Unix community. On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 02:37:49AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:33:35 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > what is the easiest way, in C, *knowing the count=N*, to > > grab the *text files and stuff the paragraphs into a global > > buffer: char *parabuffer[1024]; ?? > > Addition: > > For every _desired_ file name you've obtained, do the > following: fopen() the file in "r" mode, fgets() the > line (or each line) into a read buffer, maybe postprocess > the buffer, and then append it to the parabuffer. Use > strlcat() to make sure you're not crossing the edge of > the string, so allocate sufficient space. Finally fclose() > the file when feof() tells you that the end has arrived. > THEN GOTO NEXT. :-) > > See "man strcat" on why not to use strcat() or strncat(), > section SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS. > here's the way I've done it so far: I've used readdir( DIR *d) and more to find the text[n].txt file names. then, in a 1998 c++ file I find these txt names by using essentially {psedocode): infp = fopen(filename[i], "r") while (fgets(buffer[i], sizeof buffer, infp)) fclose(infp); that's an immediate re-translation from c++ to C. thanks, polyt. I will put this last of several pieces of code together until I've got my several buffer[i] copied into the GTK label[i]. FWIW: the reason I want to have these several "labels" in a wudget//widows is to make the program less clumsy. it does work as-is; but it can get clumsy. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-eight years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 07:39:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3FE360D; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22f.google.com (mail-yk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 755B625A3; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id q200so2227254ykb.6 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JXYzz+rAzTjStTfz9EOffugXH0LOQhzSVicI0sOoF0E=; b=HrI0XN8mRFqm03Cjwy/Iv+aR7HOxd3DC9eFBwdU9Hb4z79+Q1C1WfbZy03T6gFyDyI OmEcf8S3o5RZhPMfbUMpkEAFlCYMOVGDaBTsjXZ1aBd531xNkrDatIzKBMOH1HGOHovo al3LstRVo/bxQxq+hZu6w2Q+5nMOv2K9rbJzC9s9bdYPbKArFDtthVKpL9Kd/J81a1Pe hCaWugbksU04Xj3zB+3IczP+ZSevkEGrF3b0BthIQo4GjBZQiqaUMQmmMTtsfYwnTIwC MrKHnnXOnl6o/RMVn0H81dPtopf+JEf7fxQ0abUc+W3FiLjG0iThOnlHA9BIC68V6gGk 7Vaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.85.208 with SMTP id u56mr5673462yhe.48.1406878751382; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:39:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: Gleb Smirnoff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:39:12 -0000 I always found natting in ipfw rather awkward and harder than in pf. Looking at the man page it doesnt seem to have changed. I should probably give it another go though as it has been about 10 years now On 31 July 2014 14:41, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > D> Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about > D> pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead of > D> maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to > D> having our own pf? > > Is there any disadvantage keeping it? It is a plugin. It is optional > and loadable. I removed most additions to the network stack that live > outside netpfil/pf. > > Some people like it and use it. > > It is also the only tool to configure ALTQ now. > > -- > Totus tuus, Glebius. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 11:33:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA0CAFBC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from systemdatarecorder.org (mail.systemdatarecorder.org [54.246.96.61]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "localhost", Issuer "localhost" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DC1320F9 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nereid (188-127-209-196.cust.suomicom.net [188.127.209.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by systemdatarecorder.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id s71BVNYd004729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:31:24 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:33:29 +0300 From: Stefan Parvu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: missing CRAN packages when trying to install ggplot2 Message-Id: <20140801143329.d9e6969259a7caf4c55d2c19@systemdatarecorder.org> Organization: systemdatarecorder.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:33:45 -0000 How one would report a problem about ggplot2 package for FreeBSD current ? Im trying to install R-cran-ggplot2-1.0.0 under FreeBSD current: FreeBSD nereid 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r268622: Mon Jul 14 18:52:28 UTC 2014 root@grind.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 root@nereid:~ # pkg install R-cran-ggplot2-1.0.0 Updating repository catalogue pkg: Missing dependency matching 'graphics/R-cran-munsell' pkg: Missing dependency matching 'graphics/R-cran-scales' pkg: No packages matching 'R-cran-ggplot2-1.0.0' available in the repositories root@nereid:~ # thanks, -- Stefan Parvu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 10:43:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C5317EC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpbgbr2.qq.com (smtpbgbr2.qq.com [54.207.22.56]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C77C82A87 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:43:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qq.com; s=s201307; t=1406889806; bh=slHNgOghDZkiwEWLGqubBVhw440dVFzuT7OtbiG18XM=; h=X-QQ-FEAT:X-QQ-SSF:X-QQ-WAPMAIL:X-QQ-BUSINESS-ORIGIN: X-Originating-IP:References:X-QQ-STYLE:X-QQ-mid:From:To:Cc:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: X-Priority:Message-ID:X-QQ-MIME:X-Mailer:X-QQ-Mailer: X-QQ-ReplyHash:X-QQ-SENDSIZE; b=idUJ3sCoZjaCBhM7cwS010f28lEbq9qOjqub5KvNTIpjUlgWCW35QP3L+uK2IRh1b irgtgenWIaGtn+JyHsrdPzk/skFfq0P6aRzXE51L8ERqlhUg0UWJwryAlyXzkd8eYe JBgP1LIxpq7z3mxvGSZAUjdJlGsJXUpLzKmAs7dM= X-QQ-FEAT: 3wpCNwMhQw2vsOv4d0cu2pFL//psympU8JpFM0We1awEmuP2jGd9NUxHAeQnd IbKip8W53nNxsIZ7izR1L+PY6KkHzCHbc/4VBe93k0eHlaRjQwR0EelSdnC39IeKODZ1WKd qoIXoIuT3e7TegrWYXcEjTnEgsqCA6Ha5yE89RWYbNs0zfGF8wLb2A9/y70J X-QQ-SSF: 0000000000000000 X-QQ-WAPMAIL: 1 X-QQ-BUSINESS-ORIGIN: 2 X-Originating-IP: 218.201.214.164 References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> X-QQ-STYLE: X-QQ-mid: wapmail79t1406889805t348182 From: "=?gb18030?B?MjgwMjcxNzg0Mg==?=" <2802717842@qq.com> To: "=?gb18030?B?a3JhZHVr?=" , "=?gb18030?B?Z2xlYml1cw==?=" Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:43:25 +0800 X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: X-QQ-MIME: TCMime 1.0 by Tencent X-Mailer: QQMail 2.x X-QQ-Mailer: QQMail 2.x X-QQ-ReplyHash: 408811189 X-QQ-SENDSIZE: 520 X-QQ-Bgrelay: 1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:03:13 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb18030" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: =?gb18030?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1jdXJyZW50?= , =?gb18030?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM=?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:43:41 -0000 wLTQxcrVtb2jrNC70LujoSANCi0tLdStyrzTyrz+LS0tDQpGcm9tOiJrcmFkIjxrcmFkdWtA Z21haWwuY29tPjsNCkRhdGU6MjAxNMTqONTCMcjVKNDHxtrO5Skgz8LO5zM6MzkNClRvOiJH bGViIFNtaXJub2ZmIjxnbGViaXVzQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPjsNCkNjOiJmcmVlYnNkLWN1cnJl bnQiPGZyZWVic2QtY3VycmVudEBmcmVlYnNkLm9yZz47IkZyZWVCU0QgUXVlc3Rpb25zIjxm cmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZz47DQpTdWJqZWN0OlJlOiBGdXR1cmUgb2Yg cGYgLyBmaXJld2FsbCBpbiBGcmVlQlNEID8gLSBkb2VzIGl0IGhhdmUgb25lID8NCg0KSSBh bHdheXMgZm91bmQgbmF0dGluZyBpbiBpcGZ3IHJhdGhlciBhd2t3YXJkIGFuZCBoYXJkZXIg dGhhbiBpbiBwZi4NCkxvb2tpbmcgYXQgdGhlIG1hbiBwYWdlIGl0IGRvZXNudCBzZWVtIHRv IGhhdmUgY2hhbmdlZC4gSSBzaG91bGQgcHJvYmFibHkNCmdpdmUgaXQgYW5vdGhlciBnbyB0 aG91Z2ggYXMgaXQgaGFzIGJlZW4gYWJvdXQgMTAgeWVhcnMgbm93DQoNCg0KT24gMzEgSnVs eSAyMDE0IDE0OjQxLCBHbGViIFNtaXJub2ZmIDxnbGViaXVzQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPiB3cm90 ZToNCg0KPiBPbiBUaHUsIEp1bCAzMSwgMjAxNCBhdCAxMDowMjoyMlBNICsxMDAwLCBEYSBS b2NrIHdyb3RlOg0KPiBEPiBXaXRob3V0IGRpbWluaXNoaW5nIHlvdXIgZWZmb3J0cyBzbyBm YXIsIHdoYXQgZG8geW91IHRoaW5rIGFib3V0DQo+IEQ+IHBpdGNoaW5nIGFsbCBlZmZvcnRz IGludG8gSVBGVyB0byBjb21iaW5lIGVmZm9ydCBhbmQgcmVkdWNlIG92ZXJoZWFkIG9mDQo+ IEQ+IG1haW50YWluaW5nIHNlcGFyYXRlIGZpcmV3YWxscyBpbiB0aGUgY29yZT8gSXMgdGhl cmUgYW4gYWR2YW50YWdlIHRvDQo+IEQ+IGhhdmluZyBvdXIgb3duIHBmPw0KPg0KPiBJcyB0 aGVyZSBhbnkgZGlzYWR2YW50YWdlIGtlZXBpbmcgaXQ/IEl0IGlzIGEgcGx1Z2luLiBJdCBp cyBvcHRpb25hbA0KPiBhbmQgbG9hZGFibGUuIEkgcmVtb3ZlZCBtb3N0IGFkZGl0aW9ucyB0 byB0aGUgbmV0d29yayBzdGFjayB0aGF0IGxpdmUNCj4gb3V0c2lkZSBuZXRwZmlsL3BmLg0K Pg0KPiBTb21lIHBlb3BsZSBsaWtlIGl0IGFuZCB1c2UgaXQuDQo+DQo+IEl0IGlzIGFsc28g dGhlIG9ubHkgdG9vbCB0byBjb25maWd1cmUgQUxUUSBub3cuDQo+DQo+IC0tDQo+IFRvdHVz IHR1dXMsIEdsZWJpdXMuDQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+IGZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIG1haWxpbmcg bGlzdA0KPiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9mcmVl YnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw0KPiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSwgc2VuZCBhbnkgbWFpbCB0byAiDQo+ IGZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIg0KPg0KX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCmZyZWVic2QtcXVl c3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdA0KaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qu b3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnMNClRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJl LCBzZW5kIGFueSBtYWlsIHRvICJmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucy11bnN1YnNjcmliZUBmcmVl YnNkLm9yZyI= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 10:43:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 460A07F2 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpbgie1.qq.com (ec2-54-194-6-37.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com [54.194.6.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B6A02A89 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:43:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qq.com; s=s201307; t=1406889795; bh=H/Qs3Rqcgd0DSVUofZYClKjzLTPSBXnBzYZuDfkplFg=; h=X-QQ-FEAT:X-QQ-SSF:X-QQ-WAPMAIL:X-QQ-BUSINESS-ORIGIN: X-Originating-IP:References:X-QQ-STYLE:X-QQ-mid:From:To:Cc:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: X-Priority:Message-ID:X-QQ-MIME:X-Mailer:X-QQ-Mailer: X-QQ-ReplyHash:X-QQ-SENDSIZE; b=rZkuZhzRjOglomggampaiyqCIpv1JDVGeNGez5Rd1um/4jWJitRUL/cgniuvBIk0U SVBrxcZv0ZFhql/LrrvGXPguXP6X5cUu1ZvCfN/3dQFfLnv+iWLMTnFofbpTGc8E2M oLvkJ3mida+0Y8TDENMWrSdf7FRLDlgKVJk0aSbE= X-QQ-FEAT: VaTxXibkloqmajrSsAVfUtg2wLVteTrHDrEkDXKM1djj/OC4MlAnhhJnl6aJX qWPzD3Tcx54Dy4ZeB5k5fLWt3LNKCStJYCjd+dEw61+ROJoUHGWhXNoeqlB1h7207xw+DSD qPnnh2bw7992QzF4BGNWOvegXmQ+3ncsTH7YDH9FUf5GWI4q4KDm506Jy3Ug X-QQ-SSF: 0000000000000000 X-QQ-WAPMAIL: 1 X-QQ-BUSINESS-ORIGIN: 2 X-Originating-IP: 218.201.214.164 References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> X-QQ-STYLE: X-QQ-mid: wapmail79t1406889793t276842 From: "=?gb18030?B?MjgwMjcxNzg0Mg==?=" <2802717842@qq.com> To: "=?gb18030?B?a3JhZHVr?=" , "=?gb18030?B?Z2xlYml1cw==?=" Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:43:13 +0800 X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: X-QQ-MIME: TCMime 1.0 by Tencent X-Mailer: QQMail 2.x X-QQ-Mailer: QQMail 2.x X-QQ-ReplyHash: 408811189 X-QQ-SENDSIZE: 520 X-QQ-Bgrelay: 1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:05:15 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb18030" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: =?gb18030?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1jdXJyZW50?= , =?gb18030?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM=?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:43:44 -0000 wLTQxcrVtb2jrNC70LujoSANCi0tLdStyrzTyrz+LS0tDQpGcm9tOiJrcmFkIjxrcmFkdWtA Z21haWwuY29tPjsNCkRhdGU6MjAxNMTqONTCMcjVKNDHxtrO5Skgz8LO5zM6MzkNClRvOiJH bGViIFNtaXJub2ZmIjxnbGViaXVzQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPjsNCkNjOiJmcmVlYnNkLWN1cnJl bnQiPGZyZWVic2QtY3VycmVudEBmcmVlYnNkLm9yZz47IkZyZWVCU0QgUXVlc3Rpb25zIjxm cmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZz47DQpTdWJqZWN0OlJlOiBGdXR1cmUgb2Yg cGYgLyBmaXJld2FsbCBpbiBGcmVlQlNEID8gLSBkb2VzIGl0IGhhdmUgb25lID8NCg0KSSBh bHdheXMgZm91bmQgbmF0dGluZyBpbiBpcGZ3IHJhdGhlciBhd2t3YXJkIGFuZCBoYXJkZXIg dGhhbiBpbiBwZi4NCkxvb2tpbmcgYXQgdGhlIG1hbiBwYWdlIGl0IGRvZXNudCBzZWVtIHRv IGhhdmUgY2hhbmdlZC4gSSBzaG91bGQgcHJvYmFibHkNCmdpdmUgaXQgYW5vdGhlciBnbyB0 aG91Z2ggYXMgaXQgaGFzIGJlZW4gYWJvdXQgMTAgeWVhcnMgbm93DQoNCg0KT24gMzEgSnVs eSAyMDE0IDE0OjQxLCBHbGViIFNtaXJub2ZmIDxnbGViaXVzQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPiB3cm90 ZToNCg0KPiBPbiBUaHUsIEp1bCAzMSwgMjAxNCBhdCAxMDowMjoyMlBNICsxMDAwLCBEYSBS b2NrIHdyb3RlOg0KPiBEPiBXaXRob3V0IGRpbWluaXNoaW5nIHlvdXIgZWZmb3J0cyBzbyBm YXIsIHdoYXQgZG8geW91IHRoaW5rIGFib3V0DQo+IEQ+IHBpdGNoaW5nIGFsbCBlZmZvcnRz IGludG8gSVBGVyB0byBjb21iaW5lIGVmZm9ydCBhbmQgcmVkdWNlIG92ZXJoZWFkIG9mDQo+ IEQ+IG1haW50YWluaW5nIHNlcGFyYXRlIGZpcmV3YWxscyBpbiB0aGUgY29yZT8gSXMgdGhl cmUgYW4gYWR2YW50YWdlIHRvDQo+IEQ+IGhhdmluZyBvdXIgb3duIHBmPw0KPg0KPiBJcyB0 aGVyZSBhbnkgZGlzYWR2YW50YWdlIGtlZXBpbmcgaXQ/IEl0IGlzIGEgcGx1Z2luLiBJdCBp cyBvcHRpb25hbA0KPiBhbmQgbG9hZGFibGUuIEkgcmVtb3ZlZCBtb3N0IGFkZGl0aW9ucyB0 byB0aGUgbmV0d29yayBzdGFjayB0aGF0IGxpdmUNCj4gb3V0c2lkZSBuZXRwZmlsL3BmLg0K Pg0KPiBTb21lIHBlb3BsZSBsaWtlIGl0IGFuZCB1c2UgaXQuDQo+DQo+IEl0IGlzIGFsc28g dGhlIG9ubHkgdG9vbCB0byBjb25maWd1cmUgQUxUUSBub3cuDQo+DQo+IC0tDQo+IFRvdHVz IHR1dXMsIEdsZWJpdXMuDQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+IGZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIG1haWxpbmcg bGlzdA0KPiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9mcmVl YnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw0KPiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSwgc2VuZCBhbnkgbWFpbCB0byAiDQo+ IGZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIg0KPg0KX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCmZyZWVic2QtcXVl c3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdA0KaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qu b3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnMNClRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJl LCBzZW5kIGFueSBtYWlsIHRvICJmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucy11bnN1YnNjcmliZUBmcmVl YnNkLm9yZyI= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 12:34:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4BB6761 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x22b.google.com (mail-qg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75ADE2853 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id a108so5591911qge.2 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:34:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-type; bh=MwP2SqlJZRU8gFQ6yrlqqz32f3HjCutVaVMbkb327zQ=; b=ZFPIVHD18kSUOeA3rKOvnz8uEo9eiva1scfNYEz++psZZm+dhp8HPhZ0LJy0Jhg1yW P0fj9fDskfEQJJKCVpgXpZj7NrptOsu8oSEoaJ2tzV2gkPtILRq46pzNr0yHliat7g2e uDgTco7KMoVG4PI/FOBYpIq/eA4CWc8LZ03mc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=MwP2SqlJZRU8gFQ6yrlqqz32f3HjCutVaVMbkb327zQ=; b=gbPtx7I5Y7dSK1aMUoKTF4Z2yd0F4o0FNBA1ocIUc3fnECcB9yS8QSHKnu2jDsezmR tYCmXfLSNY5NIRHsHC9HhkNG/6Hrx2wBziqJKuIr72ffwOo5G+NDaYFDh7qRR4t+AwOz mEEN0PdSGmkh00b3xg/aYbzDlu+iOHQ0koR8Ctwa3JDrQkIIUfyV6W9+EbXFsw1EdbpY 3gSD9UddgTYRdeykLn4P6LLJPITWuoplG7EznUCP0psxWw34S8UtfkjbKzGPYjx2Wng0 EyYXXKK2LavfEbABGIybjdr++U7M9ETwl29FnQ5RH3KGGKTM1a2Aq8wTqBLKarCfxmA+ gbEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkF7HkTU3et3Rb89THM090LBJEdEJPPsG+61pDNxg3ZidkX2fzInq8rqggbNgT62I/RLYxL X-Received: by 10.140.33.200 with SMTP id j66mr8220070qgj.81.1406896489310; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h5sm9258701qgf.19.2014.08.01.05.34.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3hPnxg5cynz3DlX5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:34:37 -0400 From: Jerry To: User questions Subject: Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" Message-ID: <20140801083437.49ad718b@scorpio> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/htm0/P1Zu_1znmevqhUPA+j"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:34:50 -0000 --Sig_/htm0/P1Zu_1znmevqhUPA+j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:26:26 -0400 I just used "freebsd-update" to update my system to FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 from "p3". Now, when I boot up, I am greeted with this friendly message: Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" The file does exist. I rebuilt bash and rebooted the system; however, the message still appears. I do not see any evidence of a failure by bash, so I am wondering if this is just a harmless error message. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/htm0/P1Zu_1znmevqhUPA+j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT24lmAAoJEElTsHIJnX8ecc4IAMs3YkBR8/2TdWmTyGszKiDF U606lWbW4zYPFPy6eJBgSd5D7MtSs+q5I1FsbrqWBnPTvxnjvb1p5jDvJzGu1Oxm f9IsMT34gq9cy06GCx7wgW33fnEHCmM8pxA9+n6NFd94aoJxLuOsPRFuZT0fLgpX 9o3FXcZ4/K97fusRBDcLrHg7hCJSzYx1UYbtupVNSXcVJBYTOeSk4RHLrlo7zva4 ahSORmR5AaHg2IkgLiuWSY9OdXS8fl8njnHqpjoh2nA05CTjlXQgoVXgY71Thl2E IVyP8clraDLP/Bmv5vzqqRC4Wxm2ZSytjEHwTQaWy8PmS4WVkbzn8mJMlag8DeA= =O5nO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/htm0/P1Zu_1znmevqhUPA+j-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 12:46:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477FDB51; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.feld.me", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7A932968; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]); by mail.feld.me (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1f9a8358; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:46:09 -0500 (CDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=feld.me; h=mime-version :date:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:from :subject:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:sender; s=blargle2; bh=Gk6 Jx9A5ErnVDFRd6ea8rYnhe/g=; b=ySRLoGJIvsreI7Cud7NK/EbVUF+8SnDjs/D XuydgoJAVNXlN/aB+bCtZvyI5+JP3x1jKcVf8GIoTvlo0KXDTftwz3wNxlJsMKX5 3KCL+EOtpE26KBlu6ZG1AvzMbnSzhkjAJ7OnupZ+GsrxOvgpweKRQIRiojkqxyii dYKyhlg+8uAWhOopI07sE2xFMw2epczdxe4BVAsXI1vCk/J338LbNpyFy0iKr9VQ 2aJW7RasEAXf3IWfILfuEqa9CgRCPpF8/tle6vylFW+qyiEORf49Jjrs8Y4irzgQ uWat83i90y1CzxKE9ri1vLKxGnCCA73HP0ejeVOv/GOJISiB8dQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=feld.me; h=mime-version:date :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:from:subject :to:cc:in-reply-to:references:sender; q=dns; s=blargle2; b=MnCrL 47E4fVxC9S+I9wEtLMuAtZLiGdomMdBfWp1NYXlY9iy/qBuYJ4KJzJmz/+kIA94C Uw82b+odsA/CXY42PUmWw5IttvLJA30cpjUWq6qYKGNxSzWCsK5wWdhYjYiH81m9 GbKFt7A2wQt03FDux/xY6BpVyuzsJU3W9F6e71GyIBwRPWOGdng548p1sTnECDrZ HAKifrg6laxXFiq/s/oFBLl8etao4DypJlmzXEdounsf6LPGMSfvoq6zPgHody3v F0E5VVIGwLMfhGyNivf91k7kwtGTHy6xSodMaeabPYYt2q1VKso0W8cB7zxs9b4j BR7X6JwjvB8yALgow== Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]); by mail.feld.me (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2566f43c; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:46:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feld@feld.me by mail.feld.me (Archiveopteryx 3.2.0) with esmtpa id 1406897168-26244-26241/5/9; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:46:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:46:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <74dec781e44c3a81c78e9c4ff1d51c2a@mail.feld.me> X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.6.8.151 From: Mark Felder Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? To: Darren Pilgrim , Gleb Smirnoff In-Reply-To: <53D9F300.2010308@bluerosetech.com> References: <53D9F300.2010308@bluerosetech.com> <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <20140729101806.GB89995@FreeBSD.org> Sender: feld@feld.me Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:46:21 -0000 July 31 2014 2:41 AM, "Darren Pilgrim" wrote: >> >> No. I believe pf should be removed from FreeBSD and efforts refocused >> on keeping ipfw up to date and feature complete. It makes more sense = to >> look at what pf, ipf, nbtables, etc. are all doing as a source of = ideas >> for what we can do with ipfw. A decade ago, there was justification = for >> adding pf: at the time, ipfw lacked some major features. >> >> Ipfw has since caught up. I see no remaining value in having more than >> one packet filter in the base. Ipfw is more mature and less broken, so >> we should keep it and ditch the rest in the name of survival efficienc= y. >> pf is not simply replaceable in many environments. For example, people = use it specifically for its integration with the spamd greylisting = daemon. I think it's reasonable to assume they did so because the whole = spam filtering stack performs better on FreeBSD than on OpenBSD. This = was just recently mentioned on twitter: @ng_security Why was the pf ioctl needed buffer reduced in FreeBSD 10? I'm not able = to load my full spamd blacklist anymore. @freebsd #spamd #pf https://twitter.com/ng_security/status/494982307905040384 I personally use pf for many reasons, spamd included. I don't think = anyone out there is interested in forking spamd to play ball with ipfw = so we would also be alienating these users who can't just change packet = filters. Is there even an equivalent to pfsync for ipfw? I didn't think = so, but I could be wrong...=20 In the world of firewalls pf has been put on a quite a pedestal. OpenBSD = pushed it hard and it marketed it well; people found it both powerful = and easy to use which created a cult following and lots of word of mouth = advertising. I find it hard to agree with removing pf from FreeBSD = because of the existing userbase. If there was an experimental label on = it I would find its removal easier to swallow. I think it's worth pointing out that nobody really wanted to maintain an = incompatible fork of ZFS indefinitely either; it would be a monumental = if not suicidal task. And who wants to deal with the bad PR about = FreeBSD being years behind Illumos features or, *gasp*, even letting a = native Linux implementation one-up us? People found a way to collaborate,= OpenZFS movement was founded, and this is a mostly solved problem, OS = nuances aside. I can appreciate that people seem to care more about = their data than their packet filters and FreeBSD ZFS certainly moves a = lot of servers and appliances furthering the userbase whether or not = they're using FreeBSD or TrueOS or some other derivative. Let's continue = to give people another reason to put FreeBSD in their datacenters. Let's = try to compete in the firewall/packet filter space too. On a side note I'd also like to point out that FreeBSD has been advertisi= ng pf by listing it first in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html I'm sure there's a subliminal message being sent there, intentional or = not. I don't want to see FreeBSD lose mindshare from its absence in a time = where FreeBSD uptake seems to be rising thanks in part to bad decisions = in the GNU/Linux camp. This feels like a solvable problem if funding and = enthusiasm is put behind it. OpenBSD really sounds willing to collaborate= if not just because they're tired of seeing neglected forks of one of = their prized babies: FreeBSD, NetBSD, DragonFlyBSD, OSX, iOS... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:04:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D12E3CF; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C08022B64; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s71D3tUO035321; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:03:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:03:55 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Da Rock Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20140801215415.G62404@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "Mike." , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:04:07 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 530, Issue 5, Message: 1 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:02:22 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > On 07/29/14 20:35, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:30:59PM -0400, Mike. wrote: > > M> |> imho, the root problem here is that an effort to implement a > > M> single > > M> |> feature improvement (multi-threading) has caused the FreeBSD > > M> version > > M> |> of pf to apparently reach a near-unmaintainable position in the > > M> |> FreeBSD community because improvements from OpenBSD can no longer > > M> be > > M> |> ported over easily. FreeBSD's pf has been put in a virtual > > M> |> isolation chamber due to the multi-threaded enhancement. > > M> |> > > M> |> Was it worth it? > > M> | > > M> |Yes. This happened *three times* in BSD land now. How much more > > M> |proof does it take to make that clear? > > M> |[snip] > > M> > > M> In this instance, more proof would consist of pf development not > > M> wallowing in inactivity. > > M> > > M> imo, tactical changes were implemented in pf without the strategic > > M> negative consequences affecting the decision process guiding the > > M> implementation of those tactical features. And that's backwards. > > M> Strategies direct tactics, not vice versa. > > > > I would strongly disagree with you. I would claim that directions > > I've put in pf in 2012 are strategically correct, while previous > > life of pf in FreeBSD was not. > > > > History: pf appeared in FreeBSD in 2004 in 5.3-RELEASE. It was already > > outdated. It isn't possible otherwise. While Max spent time on porting > > some stable version, the OpenBSD moved forward. It was later updated > > again by Max, and again right after update it was outdated. I mean > > that people who a) believe that OpenBSD pf is the one true b) eager > > for bleeding edge version, these people simply cannot be satisfied. > > A porter needs to take latest stable version from OpenBSD and spend > > some time working on it. So, pf in FreeBSD was always "outdated", > > even before my SMP work on it. > > Further history: in 2012 Ermal updates pf and 9.0-RELEASE is shipped. > > In 2004 we've got 10 years of diverging developement between FreeBSD > > and OpenBSD. In 2012 it was 18 years. Porting got harder. The pf in > > 9.x is again outdated and introduces a number of bugs that were not > > present in 8.x (regressions). Most regressions didn't came from OpenBSD, > > but were artifacts of porting. Also, the number of #ifdefs in code > > became so unbearable that no one would want to go through code > > fixing bugs. > > > > In 2012 for me it was obvious that following this route is strategically > > incorrect. You are never "up to date". You need more efforts to port > > pf, and you yield in a port of worse and worse quality over time. > > > > So, in 2012 I put a lot of efforts to not only bring pf out of a > > single mutex, but also make it more native to FreeBSD. You can > > read this through commit logs. > > > > The net result is that we got our own pf, that can be maintained > > further. Unfortunately, still no person is seen on horizon who can > > take maintainership. > > That explains it rather well. Thank you for the enlightenment on this. Indeed. This potted history covers a lot of ground, and work, to most of which I've been largely oblivious. I've used ipfw since '98; it well suited my assembler background and perhaps overly orthogonal tendencies, and I found dummynet hugely useful for herding small networks of unruly cats, so I've felt no need to explore pf, nor ipfilter. > Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about > pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead of > maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to > having our own pf? Quoting Gleb's response from a later message: > Is there any disadvantage keeping it? It is a plugin. It is optional > and loadable. I removed most additions to the network stack that live > outside netpfil/pf. > > Some people like it and use it. > > It is also the only tool to configure ALTQ now. I think each of those is sufficient reason for existence, as long as there's ongoing people - at least a few - who care enough about it. Maybe it needs to become 'fpf' and be happy to complete its forking? I can't imagine pf or ipfilter people deciding to work on ipfw. For one thing, ipfw has quite a few people working on aspects, development is conservatively ongoing, with no discernable shortage of volunteers. For another, I feel that there are distinct philosophical differences at the level of rule definition languages. From my little reading, pf uses more high-level symbolic language, where ipfw is relentlessly linear and closer to bare metal. Different people will be attracted to, and will be able to work most efficiently with, such different approaches. I've no idea how pf works at the kernel level, as compared with ipfw's virtual machine opcode execution; I daresay each has its strengths and weaknesses. However it's the ruleset configuration language that is the main concern of most packet filter users, not kernel level operation. I believe in ecosystem strength through diversity, as much in projects like FreeBSD as anywhere in the 'real' world. It could even discourage (for example) ongoing ipfw development if there were no other options. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:08:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 597334B7 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alisocreek.buildingonline.net (alisocreek.buildingonline.net [204.109.62.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320BB2B9F for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by alisocreek.buildingonline.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id B61E3BCD3D8; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on alisocreek.buildingonline.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from [192.168.1.250] (busarow [206.127.77.66]) (Authenticated sender: dan@dpcsys.com) by alisocreek.buildingonline.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 540C3BCD3CF for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53DB9017.3000304@buildingonline.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:03:19 -0600 From: Dan Busarow Organization: BuildingOnline.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:08:29 -0000 On 8/1/14, 1:39 AM, krad wrote: > I always found natting in ipfw rather awkward and harder than in pf. > Looking at the man page it doesnt seem to have changed. I should probably > give it another go though as it has been about 10 years now Couldn't be much easier than the way it works now e.g. firewall_enable="YES" firewall_type="OPEN" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="em0" natd_flags="-s -m -u" All of the builtin rulesets know about NAT My home network has two internal nets each with it's own wifi AP and the above handles it. natd_interface is your outside facing interface. Dan > > > On 31 July 2014 14:41, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> D> Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about >> D> pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead of >> D> maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to >> D> having our own pf? >> >> Is there any disadvantage keeping it? It is a plugin. It is optional >> and loadable. I removed most additions to the network stack that live >> outside netpfil/pf. >> >> Some people like it and use it. >> >> It is also the only tool to configure ALTQ now. >> >> -- >> Totus tuus, Glebius. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:14:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12E03761 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x22b.google.com (mail-yh0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5E512CED for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 29so2525961yhl.16 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 06:14:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WFgHTR55rZM+WWXHVDMkpyIOM9jcTsA3ti565+ZFLtQ=; b=ti8XxjLpy0SoQCNHyZkD+yqaY39shuIvMCr6Znipvfb4cwfss5CHrkDTAGUrnplDb1 jcI7qHmjS4uqRQ+LSnYPu30uiSspGhyoFR87dPuZFM1hJOQotTYdpyshWMeWXN8fVnx2 d4Zp6sLVO7ihvvUejZOXWOfg2x6rno9vU55ZUab2DG49w9ftrURW+PPiWp2ySRu5tvbO jsKiOwjHVBmUcIky1ArS1IBNLuto4nmwo+Jb+YQWGlcKGlH/rWaCnGt1sWczM6jQ63pf FemW7E5npaWi4GJ/srDB9xP5RL5N9nedhdIZNGkkj4RvtkQrGRxIHvoqjxcHUN2UtoLR J/eQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.227.230 with SMTP id d96mr8376465yhq.100.1406898876885; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53DB9017.3000304@buildingonline.com> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> <53DB9017.3000304@buildingonline.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:14:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: Dan Busarow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:14:38 -0000 that was never the problem, it was always tricky building stateful rulesets with nat. From what i remember it was due to the state stable getting parsed to early ie before the natting rule if your ruleset wasnt 100% puka. It caught quite a few people out who i knew. It was over 12 years ago though so my memory is hazy on it, but as soon as i tried pf i found it much easier, so didn't look back. On 1 August 2014 14:03, Dan Busarow wrote: > > On 8/1/14, 1:39 AM, krad wrote: > >> I always found natting in ipfw rather awkward and harder than in pf. >> Looking at the man page it doesnt seem to have changed. I should probably >> give it another go though as it has been about 10 years now >> > > Couldn't be much easier than the way it works now > > e.g. > > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_type="OPEN" > natd_enable="YES" > natd_interface="em0" > natd_flags="-s -m -u" > > All of the builtin rulesets know about NAT > > My home network has two internal nets each with it's own wifi AP and the > above handles it. > > natd_interface is your outside facing interface. > > Dan > > > > > >> >> On 31 July 2014 14:41, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >>> D> Without diminishing your efforts so far, what do you think about >>> D> pitching all efforts into IPFW to combine effort and reduce overhead >>> of >>> D> maintaining separate firewalls in the core? Is there an advantage to >>> D> having our own pf? >>> >>> Is there any disadvantage keeping it? It is a plugin. It is optional >>> and loadable. I removed most additions to the network stack that live >>> outside netpfil/pf. >>> >>> Some people like it and use it. >>> >>> It is also the only tool to configure ALTQ now. >>> >>> -- >>> Totus tuus, Glebius. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:20:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 173EC866 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5DEA2EAD for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s71DKhf9094487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s71DKhnN094484; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:20:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Dan Busarow Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? In-Reply-To: <53DB9017.3000304@buildingonline.com> Message-ID: References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> <53DB9017.3000304@buildingonline.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:20:53 -0000 On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Dan Busarow wrote: > > On 8/1/14, 1:39 AM, krad wrote: >> I always found natting in ipfw rather awkward and harder than in pf. >> Looking at the man page it doesnt seem to have changed. I should probably >> give it another go though as it has been about 10 years now > > Couldn't be much easier than the way it works now > > e.g. > > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_type="OPEN" > natd_enable="YES" > natd_interface="em0" > natd_flags="-s -m -u" > > All of the builtin rulesets know about NAT > > My home network has two internal nets each with it's own wifi AP and the > above handles it. > > natd_interface is your outside facing interface. In pf, it is just an entry in the rules: nat on $ext_if from $internal_net to any -> ($ext_if) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:29:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C800CA0 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02FE2F38 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-25.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.25]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s71DT4dA025227 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:35:19 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:29:07 -0000 On 07/31/14 22:33, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >> >> >> .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then >> SGI), Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I >> just apparently completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a >> purpose-built computer, Jaguar Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB >> HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell >> option from the partition dialog (used a shell script, > > Why? What did the shell script do? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Mostly saved me possible typos typing it all in live .... It just entered the same gpt/gstripe/newfs.etc commands I would have typed in at the console .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:39:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0880344 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x232.google.com (mail-yh0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC0920D3 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f50.google.com with SMTP id v1so2594486yhn.9 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 06:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KFo3WQae67dZ52g+DJ7iWH7D7OVPdkOg/GYLwhHTPlE=; b=UPZqDC8jcSW/edQ2VqWvbj4X19n+8wHTxwcRVWkzlb/OMzHw6aEnf1wI8y3hdHtwYl mYch0+vZugQLysij6qBNry07h0Ndp+bAk2gabrIadoyiGsk95gUd6ib1wQptBmgodEET voOHscx6PiTrSexdMSt8WLRsu1Ec2/Yy+1STjLbsMcA4iVtdWGzd75/C7bpX72D01uVh GBxi2VWNnu1vzcXv+e3MVIqpuLHZgKTmnPBKQr00vcClFqJp9XeySouXdRgWMVUAuIF/ jAkWgW007FUnSAaP/VLps/oSocd0scUd6jv+eAIc/7NeaE2pp9l6igFXuRV43T3HQl43 dM9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.142.227 with SMTP id i63mr8052877yhj.88.1406900383848; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 06:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:39:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> <53DB9017.3000304@buildingonline.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: Dan Busarow , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:39:45 -0000 ordering is also straight forward, which wasnt the case, but then i hope im well out of date. At least ipfw has tables now, as i couldnt live without them now. to be fair you have missed 'pf_enable=yes' in the rc.conf On 1 August 2014 14:20, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Dan Busarow wrote: > > >> On 8/1/14, 1:39 AM, krad wrote: >> >>> I always found natting in ipfw rather awkward and harder than in pf. >>> Looking at the man page it doesnt seem to have changed. I should probably >>> give it another go though as it has been about 10 years now >>> >> >> Couldn't be much easier than the way it works now >> >> e.g. >> >> firewall_enable="YES" >> firewall_type="OPEN" >> natd_enable="YES" >> natd_interface="em0" >> natd_flags="-s -m -u" >> >> All of the builtin rulesets know about NAT >> >> My home network has two internal nets each with it's own wifi AP and the >> above handles it. >> >> natd_interface is your outside facing interface. >> > > In pf, it is just an entry in the rules: > > nat on $ext_if from $internal_net to any -> ($ext_if) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 14:12:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18B2EB3 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6DA325D7 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id j15so3973369qaq.15 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=gihBDKF4k4g7lgVxhhYZtW3cB8cQr5KJlzc6+hdLtHY=; b=nNH5hWuASGJYQdSzCerUuPvZioAEYqQI5E27eBD179FxlJLD8ZN4spjXAvjDhR2+R5 uKfajW/PrLkoS3WpNFv8226rszDQZzx+2wgBM1wZP5uLgwtlzS14dNWJOLBIbYpGv4Zl ehux44idJ06uoodkKuFscDi3Qgg4sgdsu4TsgEI/qtBoM/2TtfJ7IsdxCa5j7CJ7XzN+ OHSZLqJjkAQsTzF7b8FVGQqM3HysmRpbWW3fcInQ61dY/MyeZynz1h/XA1L4p9AfmK1A NJMlAsSNLH7lyN+utDYb/h0ew2sv84VzxLgDBdyPdGYn39yKFXPYOAZhWlIJQ9BNoy4a w/Mg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkJqhyodIv+kyz9X0jUjxO/R8d2jpR911Iu8slVJUvSDbf7YIiX7cA98MP7dnencKNsb4bJ X-Received: by 10.140.30.73 with SMTP id c67mr8954687qgc.16.1406902345919; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x12sm15299760qaw.1.2014.08.01.07.12.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <74dec781e44c3a81c78e9c4ff1d51c2a@mail.feld.me> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:12:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4F589754-EF79-4E59-87FE-08A7DBDF7211@kraus-haus.org> References: <53D9F300.2010308@bluerosetech.com> <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <20140729101806.GB89995@FreeBSD.org> <74dec781e44c3a81c78e9c4ff1d51c2a@mail.feld.me> To: Mark Felder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Gleb Smirnoff , Darren Pilgrim , freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:12:33 -0000 On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:46, Mark Felder wrote: > I personally use pf for many reasons, spamd included. I don't think = anyone out there is interested in forking spamd to play ball with ipfw = so we would also be alienating these users who can't just change packet = filters. Is there even an equivalent to pfsync for ipfw? I didn't think = so, but I could be wrong...=20 >=20 > In the world of firewalls pf has been put on a quite a pedestal. = OpenBSD pushed it hard and it marketed it well; people found it both = powerful and easy to use which created a cult following and lots of word = of mouth advertising. I find it hard to agree with removing pf from = FreeBSD because of the existing userbase. If there was an experimental = label on it I would find its removal easier to swallow. I have remained silent on this for two reasons: 1. I am a consumer of FreeBSD. I am a sysadmin, I am NOT a coder and *I* = would not want any code that *I* wrote in the kernel of an OS that I was = running. I know my limitations. So I could not contribute to the = development of pf in FreeBSD 2. Where I use packet filters on a host, and that is not very much, I = tend to use ipfilter because in those case my needs are simple. For = heavy duty (read: gateway) filtering I use commercial firewalls like the = Checkpoint 600 series. So the inclusion or exclusion of pf has no direct = effect on me. Having said all that, the reason I use FreeBSD over other open source = OSes right now is that it is, in my opinion, the most =93grown up=94 = option. I have never seen Linux as an Enterprise tier OS due to a number = of basic design decisions made by Linus and those around him. Illumos is = very good, but fairly narrow in both it=92s hardware support and feature = set. I never took a long hard look at the other BSDs as FreeBSD was = recommended by a friend and I liked what I found, ESPECIALLY the = documentation in the Handbook. I have read a lot of arguments on both sides of the pf in FreeBSD debate = over the past weeks. Realistically I think what it comes down to is = whether there is someone, a person, an individual with the necessary = skill set and drive and desire (and that can be motivated by funding) to = take ownership of it and run with it. If there is not, then I think pf = in FreeBSD dies. No matter how many people want it to continue, no = matter if it is best for FreeBSD for it to continue. Without someone to = take ownership of it, then even if it continues it will not be top = quality, and having something in FreeBSD that is not top quality would = be a mistake (IMHO). -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 16:43:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C1768FE for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1C6227B2 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s71GhZCt092011; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:43:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99D43123BB; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:43:35 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... Message-ID: <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 16:43:45 -0000 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:35:19AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 07/31/14 22:33, Warren Block wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then=20 > >> SGI), Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I=20 > >> just apparently completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a=20 > >> purpose-built computer, Jaguar Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB= =20 > >> HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell= =20 > >> option from the partition dialog (used a shell script, > > > > Why? What did the shell script do? > > Mostly saved me possible typos typing it all in live .... It just=20 > entered the same gpt/gstripe/newfs.etc commands I would have typed in at= =20 > the console .... Why don't you use the installer that comes on the install images, `bsdinstall`? Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT28O3AAoJEED21dyjijPgynwP/2dPYfktL7ujIwP2cOhVUTFC cHpftDknh4/b6lWKZNoxeUuNcPHfxImP5d4sg6WprbmZB2KqNTrF+PT416oARLc1 Yxd8A73ByFjrQ5mY37kCHER+Mxq52btQvst7sHChZc17/pb4TF99bYji+tc1IX3a 2WHZTEvfpYt0CxgUH90eVJHpbaxHngXGaGUyYlOO10+pIqKIc3R62V4sgIhoW6xU CJI5AW4jg16RuTf00/RkkHc975cXeTdODCSUUY7kUc6MA4hH4CvrAcaQoJ4i43v7 G6VJAShZHuW4QFwJXYqnfp6CPIlgKAANHqnB90eK0nFJOjxYH52Vd/LhFP3CBAWO C65IZ+B7legMJxdcdl51dfOgJlwhq9AnNSP4L5yU/Pfo5gOzCjNn7Cu18UHUBjvM K3PEE4F6nI35gppCTycCD1wwLf1Q+mjixQLsYfAtfq09OI6lvWYhN1So2fWszWg3 /xW7UmOoRZldHUmj83CXD/SXlkh4urGGhz3cTALIf8Y3OGaDtylc1ZNxaKJrRZ7E zXZx6A+sScTpC5x0Nf9deuPhWUbT5hHWh5ZWf/0iW0w9aQMumzRtHphUW/j2sOGX UZsEPCWqKsSW+cpuarEeXUrou2G3bTKm1meC3o9sl7Ym1nhRvLuK/1mJAf7NOWDI POEbpoVjYDQhBHTchazZ =u/GA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 17:58:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15C9C6E5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A65CE2080 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s71HwjYf010898; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:58:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F663123BF; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:58:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:58:45 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Jerry Subject: Re: Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" Message-ID: <20140801175845.GB16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Jerry , User questions References: <20140801083437.49ad718b@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140801083437.49ad718b@scorpio> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: User questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 17:58:56 -0000 --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:34:37AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:26:26 -0400 >=20 > I just used "freebsd-update" to update my system to FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-= p7 > from "p3". Now, when I boot up, I am greeted with this friendly message: >=20 > Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" This means that bash cannot be loaded. But it shouldn't have anything to do with updating the base system, because libintl.so.9 is part of the devel/gettext port. > The file does exist. I rebuilt bash and rebooted the system; however, the > message still appears. Are you sure you also *installed* the new bash? What does `ldd /usr/local/bin/bash` tell you? > I do not see any evidence of a failure by bash, so I > am wondering if this is just a harmless error message. The default shell is tcsh, not bash. If the shell set in your entry in /etc/passwd would fail to start, you'd get an "access denied" notice from login(8). Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT29VVAAoJEED21dyjijPgMwcP/RJrT09+Ym4+uRnjGaL5v6iX HXjYAsgw60Xv98Fug4EakUUssrIlyUfwwKB60zekDkrwQL4PwjwRTpjTfrix7952 TOE4VtHEPzRcxmdYv37QJoaGFawPLJSqQNds173oEKqbEv/fvMVgrV0uu8ZfvN37 Ua4MR5XR77ZqTDD3asPl4EGxq25pudaP0NSC9mZJSQO8q4wd6ZLpTrCm18NdzIIy neqb60Yx32FmD/aU9lgT88lIuYb7dKK3vFy1/obnxHr1CdaMFpY2nQ7BVWyrSh1/ CU6qh40cHDYvTZ8JjOCwAS6ZvA2bx4qrrqB0VG5GhbZzjpnxAz/5TAzUJNnm5q18 vewhK8k4mmEfBny11EbTkO1VDp8yKaKe0gGSO9B7KjsP/EJ5y123S0oUzXp70e4/ 8TlW74tUVSSU88uB8ZELQPbz5TDnDEqD1WyHbCrCOQtsbetXJCTu0TILeqW8bqJJ Mk46W8ajSgB//I+qwMDpt/40JDqcXYQ2NIFD8PmOhm3qLhkTlEYgB4oXnAbRjCQK RfMBTPvDlt3Sx4XupZkPJUFRAp1NoXbZnfYJqBS6vULTznWn5Eoc8FU+KKYyDEj7 r1rbgya2Bif0v50VYNLTdkrW/Sz7z2vMB4F164mPy5DOgvAq0gUeyFB6We0xZOvX 3/3znzlz2ux70lmL33OO =lvNH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 18:25:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9B4E57A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz (exchange.mail.starnet.cz [92.62.224.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz", Issuer "STARNET" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C32A2454 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz ([fe80::d017:9e72:12a5:7bb4]) by EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz ([fe80::d017:9e72:12a5:7bb4%14]) with mapi; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:24:25 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Radek_Krej=E8a?= To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:24:24 +0200 Subject: pkg problem after upgrade pkg on 10.0 Thread-Topic: pkg problem after upgrade pkg on 10.0 Thread-Index: Ac+ttdGqr/gYOnIfQa6RXVNpQTNGig== Message-ID: Accept-Language: cs-CZ Content-Language: cs-CZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: cs-CZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:25:40 -0000 Hello, I have problem with pkg after upgrade. More at bottom. I tried to delete re= po with command rm -rf /var/db/pkg/repo* && pkg upgrade and problem is the same. Thank you Radek Updating repository catalogue digests.txz = = 100% 1087KB 1.1MB/s 1.1MB/s = 00:00 packagesite.txz = = 100% 5022KB 4.9MB/s 3.2MB/s = 00:01 Incremental update completed, 23257 packages processed: 23044 packages updated, 223 removed and 183 added. New version of pkg detected; it needs to be installed first. Upgrades have been requested for the following 1 packages: Upgrading pkg: 1.2.7_3 -> 1.3.3 The upgrade will require 1 MB more space 2 MB to be downloaded Proceed with upgrading packages [y/N]: y pkg-1.3.3.txz = = 100% 2212KB 2.2MB/s 2.2MB/s = 00:01 Checking integrity... done [1/1] Upgrading pkg from 1.2.7_3 to 1.3.3... done If you are upgrading from the old package format, first run: # pkg2ng Updating repository catalogue pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2006 to 2007: Add conflicts and provides pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2007 to 2008: Add FTS index pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2008 to 2009: Optimize indicies pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2009 to 2010: Add legacy digest field pkg: http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/freebsd:10:x86:64/latest/meta.txz: Not Found From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 19:24:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E0FCCAE for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x235.google.com (mail-qa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C23D82AB7 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id v10so4363965qac.26 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CrGJ1STyciO4e4WBTUsogZsSQd2MlrNiJjswJGaKZdo=; b=DZHcmivWWrFOMhKecXDkE+LCJozRW9oUdeYoMUO1FmHcjFqLr0T9djdndeF+j86Vij 5ac5LXVs1BaO4kVU8dXQW2qJ+ScAibSOKd4gvEoUy/Bf3TXlBJtPRrnAbE5Ci9TgP8FD OFXCfkJnQYb5Njbxdlf0Fz8GTclpmLMM1L72E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CrGJ1STyciO4e4WBTUsogZsSQd2MlrNiJjswJGaKZdo=; b=LjqOWGnsZA5HonGnecNlRAm6HBzS9Sh8oy6DOnWjcxXmNRGUDC5NDoCta7kOTpvm6W qISpl4MJvIpPgYRAh+wI3+Uk5L15Dav53Lh1Z7GSdLSsFIJQhqBJd8UIEKdI6gKtQ3hV 9r4H+AaybfekCFtgK8jDc+vk1dc3jMuh1acBLyGZP/KtRh90GiCPD0TBD8XWdanRjJFL 035Yg8PxUzR52qwaEBvJUT0xvCm0VyXgCx3ucv2fdor4LCI4/qz5rIVu6i7tk9CS8Yp2 qQI8U/eUherTCSZVEIlH/6GryT1ekZYUIievmcYKwTe5adg7q/8ierWHKlsqEhxGqzpg Wxzw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQms5rQQqAWM3h/SEsP+H78nFEkFGvSVh3k6DKcGNKoqDdZXeH3MozG6trYDF0g3BCVetEDR X-Received: by 10.224.126.66 with SMTP id b2mr12389547qas.99.1406921055720; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r91sm10280349qgd.12.2014.08.01.12.24.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3hPz262D8Hz3DlXF for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:24:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:24:13 -0400 From: Jerry To: User questions Subject: Re: Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" Message-ID: <20140801152413.2864b4c6@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20140801175845.GB16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20140801083437.49ad718b@scorpio> <20140801175845.GB16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 19:24:17 -0000 On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:58:45 +0200, Roland Smith stated: >On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:34:37AM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:26:26 -0400 >> >> I just used "freebsd-update" to update my system to FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 >> from "p3". Now, when I boot up, I am greeted with this friendly message: >> >> Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" > >This means that bash cannot be loaded. But it shouldn't have anything to do >with updating the base system, because libintl.so.9 is part of the >devel/gettext port. > >> The file does exist. I rebuilt bash and rebooted the system; however, the >> message still appears. > >Are you sure you also *installed* the new bash? >What does `ldd /usr/local/bin/bash` tell you? ldd /usr/local/bin/bash /usr/local/bin/bash: libncurses.so.8 => /lib/libncurses.so.8 (0x8008e7000) libintl.so.9 => /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.9 (0x800b33000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800d3c000) locate libintl.so.9 /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.9 >> I do not see any evidence of a failure by bash, so I >> am wondering if this is just a harmless error message. bash --version GNU bash, version 4.3.18(2)-release (amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) echo $0 /usr/local/bin/bash >The default shell is tcsh, not bash. If the shell set in your entry in >/etc/passwd would fail to start, you'd get an "access denied" notice from >login(8). My default shell is Bash. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 18:36:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1CA4930; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "funkthat.com", Issuer "funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A131255F; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s71IastB051249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id s71IarVE051247; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:36:53 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Cy Schubert Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140801183653.GC50495@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Cy Schubert , Adrian Chadd , freebsd-current , krad , Gleb Smirnoff , Gerrit =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=FChn?= , FreeBSD Mailing List , Matt Bettinger References: <201407231619.s6NGJBQF025702@slippy.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201407231619.s6NGJBQF025702@slippy.cwsent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (h2.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:05:43 +0000 Cc: Adrian Chadd , krad , freebsd-current , Gleb Smirnoff , Gerrit =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=FChn?= , FreeBSD Mailing List , Matt Bettinger X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:36:57 -0000 Cy Schubert wrote this message on Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 09:18 -0700: > In message om> > , Adrian Chadd writes: > > On 18 July 2014 07:34, krad wrote: > > > that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not the > > > way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. We > > > should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is > > > reaching out. > > > > Then do the port and maintain it. > > > > The problem isn't the desire to keep things up to date, it's a lack of > > people who want that _and_ are willing/able to do it _and_ are funded > > somehow. > > Funding is the issue. Sure, some of us maintain software because a personal > need however without funding one has to fit maintaining software into > whatever time is left. For those of us who do this without funding you > manage to squeeze in an hour here or there. Then write a proposal and submit it to the Foundation.. If you don't ask for funding, it rarely shows up... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 20:16:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 546975A9 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EB7F215E for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-76-251.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.251]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s71KGcqb019887 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:22:53 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:16:40 -0000 On 08/01/14 11:43, Roland Smith wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:35:19AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 07/31/14 22:33, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then >>>> SGI), Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I >>>> just apparently completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a >>>> purpose-built computer, Jaguar Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB >>>> HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell >>>> option from the partition dialog (used a shell script, >>> Why? What did the shell script do? >> Mostly saved me possible typos typing it all in live .... It just >> entered the same gpt/gstripe/newfs.etc commands I would have typed in at >> the console .... > Why don't you use the installer that comes on the install images, > `bsdinstall`? > > Roland I poked around a bit (*not* much), & missed anything RAID-related in the installer .... is that on me ? The FreeBSD doc site seemed to imply that I would need the shell approach to do what I wanted, so I mostly just went w/ that, maybe more pilot error :-/ .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 21:07:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B405A9A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84c3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E82C2750 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.115.1.101] (helo=[10.117.101.87]); authenticated by wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1XDK2f-0002Cc-ID; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 23:07:10 +0200 User-Agent: Kaiten Mail In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: pkg problem after upgrade pkg on 10.0 From: Paul Blockhaus Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 23:07:02 +0200 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Radek_Krej=C4=8Da?= , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Message-ID: <942dafe6-a6d6-4a6c-a559-0b5947bdcbaa@email.android.com> X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; paul@mueller-blockhaus.de; 1406927233; c37438b1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 21:07:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello, I think you would not have to remove the repro, pkg does everything itself by using pkg update. Maybe it helps to reinstall pkg. Commands: # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg # make deinstall # make # make install clean Greetings Paul On 1. August 2014 20:24:24 MESZ, "Radek KrejÄa" wrote: >Hello, > >I have problem with pkg after upgrade. More at bottom. I tried to >delete repo with command > >rm -rf /var/db/pkg/repo* && pkg upgrade > >and problem is the same. > >Thank you >Radek > > >Updating repository catalogue >digests.txz > 100% 1087KB 1.1MB/s 1.1MB/s 00:00 >packagesite.txz > 100% 5022KB 4.9MB/s 3.2MB/s 00:01 >Incremental update completed, 23257 packages processed: >23044 packages updated, 223 removed and 183 added. >New version of pkg detected; it needs to be installed first. >Upgrades have been requested for the following 1 packages: > > Upgrading pkg: 1.2.7_3 -> 1.3.3 > >The upgrade will require 1 MB more space > >2 MB to be downloaded > >Proceed with upgrading packages [y/N]: y >pkg-1.3.3.txz > 100% 2212KB 2.2MB/s 2.2MB/s 00:01 >Checking integrity... done >[1/1] Upgrading pkg from 1.2.7_3 to 1.3.3... done >If you are upgrading from the old package format, first run: > > # pkg2ng >Updating repository catalogue >pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2006 to 2007: Add conflicts and >provides >pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2007 to 2008: Add FTS index >pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2008 to 2009: Optimize indicies >pkg: Repo "FreeBSD" upgrade schema 2009 to 2010: Add legacy digest >field >pkg: http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/freebsd:10:x86:64/latest/meta.txz: Not >Found >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" - -- Emails sind wie Postkarten, jeder kann sie lesen. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iD8DBQFT3AF2LyFhCfL04ssRCt0+AJ9WmKGiZIFGGM0e5ZJE3fVGRRizJgCgjkob v3e8uURipV5e6HFZgcFofzg= =Vasw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 21:42:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A456FA54 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rootbsd.daleco.biz (daleco.biz [199.48.129.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 530432B08 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rootbsd.daleco.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rootbsd.daleco.biz (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s71LW4Ch081612; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:32:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kevin@rootbsd.daleco.biz) Received: (from kevin@localhost) by rootbsd.daleco.biz (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id s71LW2qr081611; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:32:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kevin) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:32:01 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: Help With ipwf Rules Message-ID: <20140801213201.GA81544@rootbsd.daleco.biz> References: <53DA8D68.9040508@tundraware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DA8D68.9040508@tundraware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 21:42:02 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I am working on a FreeBSD 10-STABLE machine that has two NICS: > > re0 - Connects to the internet > em0 - NATs to a private flat Class C LAN (192.168...) > > There is already an IPFW ruleset in place, primarily to control > who can get in via re0 - pretty much anything is allowed out from > the FreeBSD machine itself and from the 192 network. > > I need to add a few additional ipfw rules to do the following: > > 1) Bandwidth shaping/management. I need to ensure that the total > amount of bandwidth being used by hosts on the LAN never exceeds, > say, 3 mb/sec down and 1 mb/sec up. Then I need a similar rule > for traffic originating ON the FreeBSD box itself. > See dummynet(4). It should be mentioned also in ipfw(8). The manpage says you still need to configure a kernel to use it ... I cannot confirm whether that's still true, or if that's changed significantly. It's been a while, but IIRC it will be something like: ipfw add pipe 1 ip from any to any via em0 ipfw pipe 1 config bw 3Mbit/s YMMV. I had this working sometime in the last decade on FBSD 4, up through about FBSD 7 or 2010 (whichever was later). It might be worth mentioning that plenty of voices Out There have moved on to recommending PF instead of IPFW. Hopefully this will at least point you in the somewhat correct direction. Kevin Kinsey > 2) I need to create rules that permit a VOIP phone to plug in on > the NATed LAN and still work properly. > > I am somewhat familiar with ipfw having set up the original rule set > but I am a bit unclear on how to do these two things. The help of > some kind soul with the expertise would be most appreciated ... > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 23:28:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA776A26 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A54526F0 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s71NShBY059392; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:28:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99C03123D5; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:28:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:28:43 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... Message-ID: <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Md/poaVZ8hnGTzuv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 23:28:53 -0000 --Md/poaVZ8hnGTzuv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 03:22:53PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 08/01/14 11:43, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:35:19AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >> On 07/31/14 22:33, Warren Block wrote: > >>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then > >>>> SGI), Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I > >>>> just apparently completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a > >>>> purpose-built computer, Jaguar Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB > >>>> HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell > >>>> option from the partition dialog (used a shell script, > >>> Why? What did the shell script do? > >> Mostly saved me possible typos typing it all in live .... It just > >> entered the same gpt/gstripe/newfs.etc commands I would have typed in = at > >> the console .... > > Why don't you use the installer that comes on the install images, > > `bsdinstall`? > > > > Roland >=20 >=20 > I poked around a bit (*not* much), & missed anything RAID-related in the= =20 > installer .... is that on me ? The FreeBSD doc site seemed to imply that= =20 > I would need the shell approach to do what I wanted, so I mostly just=20 > went w/ that, maybe more pilot error :-/ .... Personally, to keep things simple I like to install FreeBSD on a simple UFS partition. Once the system is up and running I can then mirror/raid the data drives any way I choose. There is a wiki page about setting up FreeBSD on a mirrored ZFS boot drive though; https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --Md/poaVZ8hnGTzuv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIbBAEBAgAGBQJT3CKrAAoJEED21dyjijPgWjoP+JOYO6REF5XJRylwbSWWWV+f 91rvvsJ4YYqgjjS6YVewZBSIiLFiwj2GVtkuNgHlr/UfcJyLW0tFiMsXRbPPU6nT 217KAFGLhDczQcTfmt0MJ8K3SW1xkSVHDIOIFyho/Q4hdwBe6BE23kS5vcS8ESMW rQ26DaBC5lgg2e5lRrepDnHsANHPNbaapVdig3UMNIWwb3mmHTCWELP5E4b4QMZW +iEg2O3jSmZSZ6LbkLvKCR0PHPLqabortwUuv6iqyp0MoPUaDD5pX18qkSD5FVFv 1++Hejt3E+/eA0XTBV3nk9mNCQm5t5avHM70gLgViokLSnTmfT8JRGRT96awDvie rkgrSs5jXF5nDzSzKUWdJeTp8a3VpQzoSh0UNv098Xb4OQOSKW+2rizcFdzfuzG7 qglD3Yywqk1XFSK1U996XVXPOWXn9nbsVATQwPIQwIrVFtLZYQXQ1c/hZbxOJTg+ w8o3Zl1ot0/xab6WARZoUS0qa9Rv3Fb6k8pRyfNMXAWkSFHvlhD/LFjfLnmkxxTA x2Xu+t4iNZt0UEmD8M9DB4/Fnyc6qBOfdeBcXkF0e7sc4SI24NhExADjEzR/ZAkr UTUv6I878ZsYpkn8jfROi/kwAHSas5X3Ac3PSO5z7maMngyqVHUDd3efbb7xGqIq 0t1CxHURtyBeArgPWHg= =7A47 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Md/poaVZ8hnGTzuv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 23:49:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680F8389 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A75728EC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s71NnSNM044555; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:49:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1991712385; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:49:28 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Jerry Subject: Re: Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" Message-ID: <20140801234928.GC17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Jerry , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20140801083437.49ad718b@scorpio> <20140801175845.GB16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140801152413.2864b4c6@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sgneBHv3152wZ8jf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140801152413.2864b4c6@scorpio> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 23:49:31 -0000 --sgneBHv3152wZ8jf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 03:24:13PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:58:45 +0200, Roland Smith stated: >=20 > >On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:34:37AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:26:26 -0400 > >>=20 > >> I just used "freebsd-update" to update my system to FreeBSD 10.0-RELEA= SE-p7 > >> from "p3". Now, when I boot up, I am greeted with this friendly messag= e: > >>=20 > >> Shared object "libintl.so.9" not found, required by "bash" > > > >This means that bash cannot be loaded. But it shouldn't have anything to= do > >with updating the base system, because libintl.so.9 is part of the > >devel/gettext port. > > > >> The file does exist. I rebuilt bash and rebooted the system; however, = the > >> message still appears. > > > >Are you sure you also *installed* the new bash? > >What does `ldd /usr/local/bin/bash` tell you? >=20 > ldd /usr/local/bin/bash > /usr/local/bin/bash: > libncurses.so.8 =3D> /lib/libncurses.so.8 (0x8008e7000) > libintl.so.9 =3D> /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.9 (0x800b33000) > libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800d3c000) >=20 > locate libintl.so.9 > /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.9 >=20 > >> I do not see any evidence of a failure by bash, so I > >> am wondering if this is just a harmless error message. Everything seems to be OK. Weird. The only causes I can think of is that the system tries to start bash before ldconfig(8) is run to update the hints file /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints. Or th= at the hints file is inaccessible for some reason. Since the dynamic linker only looks in /lib and /usr/lib by default, that would make the linking with a library in /usr/local/lib fail. But how that could happen I don't know. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --sgneBHv3152wZ8jf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT3CeHAAoJEED21dyjijPgI+YP+wc74cqpWF+rZn9NmM/W66eZ zGu5XaYB2NFiS6vJ8hWi1tB04l2alE+ghwDLlVuribgGL8VxmT/VXSVEBnrhDx1q C17UgzArtJBq9yINYkwlz0qruwfHbrrT4CrFwpUMxKP2VQXzGoSVIwtJqlstKcq0 MyFqVr3b2/5zJ3uVh5QF56ZmagjJabDTxM7d6UF81ly5Q5DLr06u+aWO//hRJOxZ x4LITujysiIP99wi5m9rPp/BnfPa0zT2BGdo2PAU3UM1FIEp2rEFY6q5FdGJlgis 2B25NctnCPi8Wub097DgP+R/XptUm0K67ZVA7uwNTndD5z2S53Tzwj7wXMf9X3QK nSInLxJSF4vllaloIu4T3EN4DAzCUIdyQYxHQPtYSXPijmfKCkTBoqlxopx/IUox JWLhgRedDf2MOhto4h20rUdhj5cJaLMV/gd0Ki+C2xbodG7ETuwTjpUbywDnB8TI L8YFPGeC10TxxC7OLI0bnphgSDw7kLCjO7/J3JjI0VHRmp4e0snrEdzbAJw5tuIE 3YGEeD16/7gd5botmfyxDJpp91b6PMtUeRWu6iYkokILUaALPAwyjJ+s/twN5dwK 9JMhLna+UYHXvVz1gddj0xFrTiwBcq5VMA/Upx+LezFV/C5fWoo5m8rdIUOEwmUt htr/7n+PnaxC0c8gbPER =UbJr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sgneBHv3152wZ8jf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 01:49:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9335D28 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from IMAIL5.netenterprise.net (imail5.netenterprise.net [64.29.90.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB9E2574 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ponolei.intra.net [72.235.61.32] by IMAIL5.netenterprise.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 82ca000378fb2ee4; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:49:36 -1000 Message-ID: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:49:30 -1000 From: al plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: switch to DCHP from static ip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 01:49:45 -0000 Aloha, The Telcom here in Honolulu has brought in FiberOptic lines in my neighborhood since the old copper was really bad speed. Cost was reduced and speed is now excellent. I need a how-to for moving an APSfilter print server on my static IP lan to working with a DHCP network. The Telcom installed a PACE wireless and told me I can add as many computers as I need using a Netgear Gigabit switch. I have installed one desktop on the switch and it has worked fine so far. I never ised DHCP befor so any help would be appreciated. /etc/rc.conf ------------- lpd_enable="YES" FreeBSD 8.* hostname="mano.intra.net" ifconfig-re0="192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0" -------------- For desktop I used > ifconfig-re0="DHCP" to replace IP address. I seems to find the network fine. Now I cant find any information about putting a print server on the lan. Thanks, ~ Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 ~ Supporting FreeBSD - UNIX Computer O/S email: noc@hdk5.net ."All that's really worth doing is what we do for others" - Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 02:13:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7C32FFB for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A34C2792 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s722DhIS084914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s722DgcA084911; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:13:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: al plant Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip In-Reply-To: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> Message-ID: References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:13:46 -0000 On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, al plant wrote: > Aloha, > > The Telcom here in Honolulu has brought in FiberOptic lines in my > neighborhood since the old copper was really bad speed. Cost was reduced and > speed is now excellent. > > I need a how-to for moving an APSfilter print server on my static IP lan to > working with a DHCP network. The Telcom installed a PACE wireless and told me > I can add as many computers as I need using a Netgear Gigabit switch. > > I have installed one desktop on the switch and it has worked fine so far. > > I never ised DHCP befor so any help would be appreciated. > > /etc/rc.conf > ------------- > lpd_enable="YES" > FreeBSD 8.* hostname="mano.intra.net" > ifconfig-re0="192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > -------------- > For desktop I used > > ifconfig-re0="DHCP" to replace IP address. I seems to find the network fine. > Now I cant find any information about putting a print server on the lan. Figure what netblock is used by DHCP, probably the same one already being used (192.168.1.1/24), figure out what range of those addresses are not handed out by the DHCP server, and use one of those addresses for the print server. For example, if the DHCP server is providing addresses from 192.168.1.100-150, give the print server a static address of, say, 192.168.1.200. Technically, you can probably continue to use the same address. A decent DHCP server will ping an address before handing it out, to make sure that address is not already being used. In practice, the firmware in routers can be terrible and should be replaced, if possible, with third-party firmware for sanity and safety. Expert level for bonus points: set the DHCP server to hand out a fixed address to the print server based on MAC address. The router might have a web interface to set this up. Summary: continue to use a static IP address for the print server. Just make sure that address is inside the same netblock as the DHCP addresses, but preferably outside the range of dynamic addresses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 02:24:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C811B5 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv197.fwdcdn.com (frv197.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99C84284D for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:24:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=ffe; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Cc:To:Subject:From:Date; bh=KoEWvNrOWm6M8OVmShQCQtHKrkBh5ZblsD6TYFp0W1M=; b=qKBLrlwVsdP9G2bq3Ljd/gAAbqJTZoy3ySxgvYaLFJmUbg1iaC2y57tWzJOzSUbNRvnjthQBHmeSO20dE622IgRNGLfZQo5A404IPX11DjhwiOYNaTYAJsfT6Dss0XZUJ1Qavx5uByREBaTtX4dbam+no2CLHAiJ5vefhwN4ukg=; Received: from [10.10.10.35] (helo=frv35.fwdcdn.com) by frv197.fwdcdn.com with smtp ID 1XDOzi-0007Cd-7R for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 05:24:26 +0300 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 05:24:25 +0300 From: Vladislav Prodan Subject: Re[2]: vlan address-aliassing not working To: wp1160256-paul X-Mailer: mail.ukr.net 5.0 Message-Id: <1406945831.474791275.vbuuf04w@frv35.fwdcdn.com> In-Reply-To: <1634671217.97151.1406826685276.open-xchange@app02.ox.hosteurope.de> References: <20140731123414.388112e1@paul-pc.mbnet.de> <1406825080.567617631.8yxkvawh@frv35.fwdcdn.com> <1634671217.97151.1406826685276.open-xchange@app02.ox.hosteurope.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from universite@ukr.net by frv35.fwdcdn.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 05:24:25 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:24:39 -0000 Reread your first letter. Show the output of: uname -a. One of the options - you forgot to describe vlan tag: #create_args_vlan0="vlan 102" # vlan tag for vlan0 device create_args_50="vlan 50" create_args_150="vlan 150" The second option - you would use the interfaces form em0.50 or em0_150? Then, just after cloned_interfaces: cloned_interfaces="em0.50 em0.150" ifconfig_em0_100="up" ... --- Original message --- From: "wp1160256-paul" Date: 31 July 2014, 20:11:26 > > Thanks, > I read, it works with other names of the vlans, but why not with these? > Isn't this the new default of the vlannames? > > Greetings Paul > > > Vladislav Prodan hat am 31. Juli 2014 um 18:48 geschrieben: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Original message --- > > From: "Paul Blockhaus" > > Date: 31 July 2014, 13:35:18 > > > > > > > > > Hello Guys, > > > > > > recently I set up ezjail on my UTM and made aliasses for my vlan, so > > > far no problems, but after reboot the aliases for the vlans hasn't been > > > recreated, only for the physical non-vlan NICs. > > > Any Ideas why the aliases weren't created, is it my mistake? > > > > > > Greetings Paul > > > > > > my /etc/rc.conf: > > ... > > > ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > vlans_em0="50 150" > > > ifconfig_em0_50="inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > ifconfig_em0_150="inet 192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ... > > > ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > ifconfig_em0.50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > ifconfig_em0_150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > > > > Use the following settings: > > cloned_interfaces="vlan50 vlan150" > > > > ifconfig_vlan50="inet 192.168.2.1/24 vlan 50 vlandev em0 mtu 1500 up" > > ifconfig_vlan150="inet 192.168.6.1/24 vlan 150 vlandev em0 mtu 1500 up" > > > > ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2/24" > > ifconfig_vlan50_alias0="inet 192.168.2.3/24" > > ifconfig_vlan150_alias0="inet 192.168.6.2/24" > > > > > > > > -- > > Vladislav V. Prodan > > System & Network Administrator > > support.od.ua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator support.od.ua From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 02:30:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7350C26D for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from IMAIL5.netenterprise.net (imail5.netenterprise.net [64.29.90.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326F02873 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ponolei.intra.net [72.235.61.32] by IMAIL5.netenterprise.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id f4f600037a84311a; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:30:04 -1000 Message-ID: <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 16:30:05 -1000 From: al plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: alplant@att.net, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:30:07 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, al plant wrote: > >> Aloha, >> >> The Telcom here in Honolulu has brought in FiberOptic lines in my >> neighborhood since the old copper was really bad speed. Cost was >> reduced and speed is now excellent. >> >> I need a how-to for moving an APSfilter print server on my static IP >> lan to working with a DHCP network. The Telcom installed a PACE >> wireless and told me I can add as many computers as I need using a >> Netgear Gigabit switch. >> >> I have installed one desktop on the switch and it has worked fine so >> far. >> >> I never ised DHCP befor so any help would be appreciated. >> >> /etc/rc.conf >> ------------- >> lpd_enable="YES" >> FreeBSD 8.* hostname="mano.intra.net" >> ifconfig-re0="192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0" >> >> -------------- >> For desktop I used > >> ifconfig-re0="DHCP" to replace IP address. I seems to find the >> network fine. Now I cant find any information about putting a print >> server on the lan. > > Figure what netblock is used by DHCP, probably the same one already > being used (192.168.1.1/24), figure out what range of those addresses > are not handed out by the DHCP server, and use one of those addresses > for the print server. > > For example, if the DHCP server is providing addresses from > 192.168.1.100-150, give the print server a static address of, say, > 192.168.1.200. > > Technically, you can probably continue to use the same address. A > decent DHCP server will ping an address before handing it out, to make > sure that address is not already being used. In practice, the firmware > in routers can be terrible and should be replaced, if possible, with > third-party firmware for sanity and safety. > > Expert level for bonus points: set the DHCP server to hand out a fixed > address to the print server based on MAC address. The router might > have a web interface to set this up. > > Summary: continue to use a static IP address for the print server. > Just make sure that address is inside the same netblock as the DHCP > addresses, but preferably outside the range of dynamic addresses. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Aloha Warren, Thanks, The PACE box is on 192.168.200.1. I will check with Hawaii telcom for instructions on this unit. The mfg's website is very unhelpful. BTW: Thanks for all the helpful tips you have posted on the list. ~ Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 ~ Supporting FreeBSD - UNIX Computer O/S email: noc@hdk5.net ."All that's really worth doing is what we do for others" - Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 04:13:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD0439BD; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 04:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A9662495; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 04:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (ppp121-45-253-202.lns20.per2.internode.on.net [121.45.253.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s724Dh8b032311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <53DC6571.1080202@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 12:13:37 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krad , Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> <53CB4736.90809@bluerosetech.com> <201407200939020335.0017641F@smtp.24cl.home> <788274E2-7D66-45D9-89F6-81E8C2615D14@lastsummer.de> <201407201230590265.00B479C4@smtp.24cl.home> <20140729103512.GC89995@FreeBSD.org> <53DA304E.6020105@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20140731134147.GH2402@glebius.int.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:13:56 -0000 On 8/1/14, 3:39 PM, krad wrote: > I always found natting in ipfw rather awkward and harder than in pf. > Looking at the man page it doesnt seem to have changed. I should probably > give it another go though as it has been about 10 years now since ipfw now has a 'nat' keyword you might say that is has changed in that 10 years. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 06:11:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E685A608 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937922051 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s726BCmN043237 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:11:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 02:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jail question Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:11:13 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 06:11:21 -0000 I am sliding a 9.1 host with a set of jails to 9.2. In 9.2 inetd gets the following at boot "inetd[1889]: madvise() failed: Operation not permitted". inetd functions correctly and I see no other problems. Is this a problem introduced with 9.2? Is there any action I should take? The setting are the same as 9.1, e.g., in both the host and the guest systems inetd is limited to their respective IPs. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 06:22:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 195DE73C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6825212D for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@sdf.lonestar.org [192.94.73.15]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s726LsMv012479 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:21:55 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.14.8/8.12.8/Submit) id s726LsiA024208; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:21:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 01:21:54 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Paul Kraus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 06:22:19 -0000 On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:01:36 -0400 Paul Kraus wrote: >On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:27, Scott Bennett wrote: > >> I want to set up a couple of software-based RAID devices across >> identically sized partitions on several disks. At first I thought t= hat >> gvinum's raid5 would be the way to go, but now that I have finally f= ound >> and read some information about raidz, I am unsure which to choose. = My >> current, and possibly wrong, understanding about the two methods' mo= st >> important features (to me, at least) can be summarized as follows. > >Disclaimer, I have experience with ZFS but not your other alternative. Okay, I appreciate the ZFS info anyway. Maybe someone with gvinum experience will weigh in at some point. > >https://www.listbox.com/subscribe/?listname=3Dzfs@lists.illumos.org Thanks. I'll check into it. > >> =09=09raid5=09=09=09=09=09raidz >>=20 >> Has parity checking, but any parity=09=09Has parity checking *and* >> errors identified are assumed to be=09=09frequently spaced checksums > >ZFS checksums all data for errors. If there is redundancy (mirror, rai= d, copies > 1) ZFS will transparently repair damaged data (but incremen= t the ?checksum? error count so you can know via the zpool status comma= nd that you *are* hitting errors). > > > >> Can be expanded by the addition of more=09=09Can only be expanded by >> spindles via a "gvinum grow" operation.=09=09replacing all component= s with >> =09=09=09=09=09=09larger components. The number > >All ZFS devices are derived from what are called top level vdevs (virt= ual devices). The data is striped across all of the top level vdevs. Ea= ch vdev may be composed of a single drive. mirror, or raid (z1, z2, or = z3). So you can create a mixed zpool (not recommended for a variety of = reasons) with a different type of vdev for each vdev. The way to expand= any ZFS zpool is to add additional vdevs (beyond the replace all drive= s in a single vdev and then grow to fill the new drives). So you can cr= eate a zpool with one raidz1 vdev and then later add a second raidz1 vd= ev. Or more commonly, start with a mirror vdev and then add a second, t= hird, fourth (etc.) mirror vdev. [Ouch. Trying to edit a response into entire paragraphs on single= lines is a drag.] > >It is this two tier structure that is one of ZFSes strengths. It is al= so a feature that is not well understood. > I understood that, but apparently I didn't express it well enough in my comparison table. Thanks, though, for the confirmation of what I wrote. GEOM devices can be built upon other GEOM devices, too, as can gvinum devices within some constraints. > > >> Does not support migration to any other=09=09Does not support migrat= ion >> RAID levels or their equivalents.=09=09between raidz levels, even by > >Correct. Once you have created a vdev, that vdev must remain the same = type. You can add mirrors to a mirror vdev, but you cannot add drives o= r change raid level to raidz1, raidz2, or raidz3 vdevs. Too bad. Increasing the raidz level ought to be not much more difficult than growing the raidz device by adding more spindles. Doing the latter ought to be no more difficult that doing it with gvinum's stripe or raid5 devices. Perhaps the ZFS developers will eventually implement these capabilities. (A side thought: gstripe and graid3 devices ought also to be expandable in this manner, although the result= ing number of graid3 components would still need to be 2^n + 1.) > > > >> Does not support additional parity=09=09Supports one (raidz2) or two >> dimensions a la RAID6.=09=09=09=09(raidz3) additional parity > >ZFS parity is handled slightly differently than for traditional raid-5= (as well as the striping of data / parity blocks). So you cannot just = count on loosing 1, 2, or 3 drives worth of space to parity. See Matt A= hren?s Blog entry here http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stri= pe-width/ for (probably) more data on this than you want :-) And here h= ttps://docs.google.com/a/delphix.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf4qx1aMJp8Lo_R6gp= T689wTjHv6CGVElrPqTA0w_ZY/edit?pli=3D1#gid=3D2126998674 is his spreadsh= eet that relates space lost due to parity to number of drives in raidz = vdev and data block size (yes, the amount of space lost to parity carie= s with data block, not configured filesystem block size!). There is a s= eparate tab for each of RAIDz1, RAIDz2, and RAIDz3. > Yes, I had found both of those by following links from the ZFS mat= erial at the freebsd.org web site. However, lynx(1) is the only web browser = I can use at present because X11 was screwed on my system by an update that c= hanged the ABI for the server and various loadable modules, but did not update= the keyboard driver module or the pointing device driver module. If I star= t X up, it rejects those two driver modules due to the incompatible ABIs, so I = have no further influence on the system short of an ACPI shutdown triggered = by pushing the power button briefly. Until I get the disk situation settl= ed, I have no easy way to rebuild X11. Anyway, using lynx(1), it is very h= ard to make any sense of the spreadsheet. > > >> Fast performance because each block=09=09Slower performance because = each >> is on a separate spindle from the=09=09block is spread across all >> from the previous and next blocks.=09=09spindles a la RAID3, so many >> =09=09=09=09=09=09simultaneous I/O operations are >> =09=09=09=09=09=09required for each block. > >ZFS performance is never that simple as I/O is requested from the driv= e in parallel. Unless you are saturating the controller you should be a= ble to keep all the drive busy at once. Also note that ZFS does NOT suf= fer the RAID-5 read-modify-write penalty on writes as every write is a = new write to disk (there is no modification of existing disk blocks), t= his is referred to as being Copy On Write (COW). > Again, your use of single-line paragraphs makes it tough to respon= d to your several points in-line. The information that I read on-line said that each raidz data bloc= k is distributed across all devices in the raidzN device, just like in RAID3= or RAID4. That means that, whether reading or writing one data block, *al= l* of he drives require a read or a write, not just one as would be the case = in RAID5. So a raidzN device will require N I/O operations * m data block= s to be read/written, not just m I/O operations. That was the point I was m= aking in the table entry above, i.e., ZFS raidz, like RAID3 and RAID4, is man= y times as I/O-intensive as RAID5. In essence, reading or writing 100 da= ta blocks from a raidz is, at best, no faster than reading 100 blocks from= a single drive. At worst, there will be bus conflicts leading to overrun= s and full rotation delays in the process of gathering all the fragments in a block, thus performing even slower than a single drive. I.e., raidzN o= ffers no speed advantage to using multiple spindles, just like RAID3/RAID4. = In other words, the data are not really striped but rather distributed in parallel. So I guess the question is, was what I read about raidz inco= rrect, i.e., are individual data blocks *not* divided into a fragment on each = and every spindle minus the raidz level (number of parity dimensions)? >> =09=09=09=09----------------------- >> I hoped to start with a minimal number of components and eventua= lly >> add more components to increase the space available in the raid5 or = raidz >> devices. Increasing their sizes that way would also increase the to= tal >> percentage of space in the devices devoted to data rather than parit= y, as >> well as improving the performance enhancement of the striping. For = various >> reasons, having to replace all component spindles with larger-capaci= ty >> components is not a viable method of increasing the size of the raid= 5 or >> raidz devices in my case. That would appear to rule out raidz. > >Yup. Bummer. Oh, well. > >> OTOH, the very large-capacity drives available in the last two o= r >> three years appear not to be very reliable(*) compared to older driv= es of >> 1 TB or smaller capacities. gvinum's raid5 appears not to offer goo= d >> protection against, nor any repair of, damaged data blocks. > >Yup. Unless you use ZFS plan on suffering silent data corruption due t= o the uncorrectable (and undetectable by the drive) error rate off of l= arge drives. All drives suffer uncorrectable errors, read errors that t= he drive itself does not realize are errors. With traditional filesyste= ms this bad data is returned to the OS and in some cases may cause a fi= lesystem panic and in others just bad data returned to the application.= This is one of the HUGE benefits of ZFS, it catches those errors. > I think you've convinced me right there. Although RAID[3456] offe= rs protection against drive failures, it offers no protection against sile= nt data corruption, which seems to be common on the large-capacity drives = on the market for the last three or four years. > > >> Thanks to three failed external drives and >> apparently not fully reliable replacements, compounded by a bad port= s >> update two or three months ago, I have no functioning X11 and no spa= ce >> set up any longer in which to build ports to fix the X11 problem, so= I >> really want to get the disk situation settled ASAP. Trying to keep = track >> of everything using only syscons and window(1) is wearing my patienc= e >> awfully thin. > >My home server is ZFS only and I have 2 drives mirrored for the OS and= 5 drives in a raidz2 for data with one hot spare. I have suffered 3 dr= ive failures (all Seagate), two of which took the four drives in my ext= ernal enclosure offline (damn sata port multipliers). I have had NO dat= a loss or corruption! Bravo, then. Looks like ZFS raidz is what I need. Unfortunately, I only have four drives available for the raidz at present, so it looks like I'll need to save up for at least one additional drive and probabl= y two for a raidz2 that doesn't sacrifice an unacceptably high fraction o= f the total space to parity blocks. :-( On my "budget" (ha!) that could = be=20 several months or more, by which time three of the four I currently hav= e will be out of warranty. I suppose more failures could also occur duri= ng that time. Sigh. > >I started like you, wanting to have some drives and add more later. I = started with a pair of 1TB drives mirrored, then added a second pair to= double my capacity. The problem with 2-way mirrors is that the MTTDL (= Mean Time To Data Loss) is much lower than with RAIDz2, with similar co= st in spec for a 4 disk configuration. After I had a drive fail in the = mirror configuration, I ordered a replacement and crossed my fingers th= at the other half to *that* mirror would not fail (the pairs of drives = in the mirrors were the same make / model bought at the same time ? not= a good bet for reliability). When I got the replacement drive(s) I too= k some time and rebuilt my configuration to better handle growth and re= liability by going from a 4 disk 2-way mirror configuration to a 5 disk= RAIDz2. I went from net about 2TB to net about 3TB capacity and a hot = spare. Yeah, the mirrors never did look to me to be as good an option eit= her. > >If being able to easily grow capacity is the primary goal I would go w= ith a 2-way mirror configuration and always include a hot spare (so tha= t *when* a drive fails it immediately starts resilvering (the ZFS term = for syncing) the vdev). Then you can simple add pairs of drives to add = capacity. Just make sure that the hot spare is at least as large as the= largest drive in use. When you buy drives, always buy from as many dif= ferent manufacturers and models as you can. I just bought four 2TB driv= es for my backup server. One is a WD, the other 3 are HGST but they are= four different model drives, so that they did not come off the same pr= oduction line on the same week as each other. If I could have I would h= ave gotten four different manufacturers. I also only buy server class (= rated for 24x7 operation with 5 year warranty) drives. The additional c= ost has been offset by the savings due to being able to have a failed d= rive replaced under warranty. I'm not familiar with HGST, but I will look into their products. Where does one find the server-class drives for sale? What sort of price difference is there between the server-class and the ordinary drives? And yes, I did run across the silly term used in ZFS for rebuildin= g a drive's contents. :-} > >> (*) [Last year I got two defective 3 TB drives in a row from Seagate= . > >Wow, the only time I have seen that kind of failure rate was buying fr= om Newegg when they were packing them badly. At that time, the shop that was getting them for me (to put into a third-party case with certain interfaces I needed at the time) told me that, of the 3 TB Seagate drives they had gotten for their own use and also for sale to customers who wanted them, only roughly 50% survived p= ast their first 30 days of use, and that none of the Western Digital 3 TB drives had survived that long. I concluded that the 3 TB drives were n= ot yet ready for prime time and should not have been marketed as early as they were. That was the reason for my insisting upon a 2 TB Seagate to fill the third-party case. > >> I ended up settling for a 2 TB Seagate that is still running fine AF= AIK. >> While that process was going on, I bought three 2 TB Seagate drives = in >> external cases with USB 3.0 interfaces, two of which failed outright >> after about 12 months and have been replaced with two refurbished dr= ives >> under warranty. > >Yup, they all replace failed drives with refurb. > >As a side note, on my home server I have had 6 Seagate ES.2 or ES.3 dr= ives, 2 HGST UltraStar drives, and 2 WD RE4 in service on my home serve= r. I have had 3 of the Seagates fail (and one of the Seagate replacemen= ts has failed, still under warranty). I have not had any HGST or WD dri= ves fail (and they both have better performance than the Seagates). Thi= s does not mean that I do not buy Seagate drives. I spread my purchases= around, keeping to the 24x7 5 year warranty drives and followup when I= have a failure. I had a WD 1 TB drive fail last year. It was just over three year= s old at the time. > >> While waiting for those replacements to arrive, I bought >> a 2 TB Samsung drive in an external case with a USB 3.0 interface. = I >> discovered by chance that copying very large files to these drives i= s an >> error-prone process. > >I would suspect the USB 3.0 layer problem, but that is just a guess. There has been no evidence to support that conjecture so far. Wha= t the guy at Samsung/Seagate (they appear to be the same company now) tol= d me was that what I described did not mean that the drive was bad, but instead was a common event with large-capacity drives. He seemed to think that the problems were associated with long-running series of wri= te operations, though he had no explanation for that. It seems to me that such errors being considered "normal" for these newer, larger-capacity drives indicates the adoption of a drastically lowered standard of qual= ity, as compared to just a few years ago. And if that is to be the way of d= isks from now on, then self-correcting file systems will soon become the onl= y acceptable file systems for production use outside of scratch areas. > >> A roughly 1.1 TB file on the one surviving external >> Seagate drive from last year's purchase of three, when copied to the >> Samsung drive, showed no I/O errors during the copy operation. Howe= ver, >> a comparison check using "cmp -l -z originalfile copyoforiginal" sho= ws >> quite a few places where the contents don't match. > >ZFS would not tolerate those kinds of errors. On reading the file ZFS = would know via the checksum that the file was bad. And ZFS would attempt to rewrite the bad block(s) with the correct contents? If so, would it then read back what it had written to make sure the errors had, in fact, been corrected on the disk(s)? > >> The same procedure >> applied to one of the refurbished Seagates gives similar results, al= though >> the locations and numbers of differing bytes are different from thos= e on >> the Samsung drive. The same procedure applied to the other refurbis= hed >> drive resulted in a good copy the first time, but a later repetition= ended >> up with a copied file that differed from the original by a single bi= t in >> each of two widely separated places in the files. These problems ha= ve >> raised the priority of a self-healing RAID device in my mind. > >Self healing RAID will be of little help? See more below Why would it be of little help? What you wrote here seems to sugg= est that it would be very helpful, at least for dealing with the kind of tr= ouble that caused me to start this thread. Was the above just a typo of some= kind? > >> I have to say that these are new experiences to me. The disk dr= ives, >> controllers, etc. that I grew up with all had parity checking in the= hardware, >> including the data encoded on the disks, so single-bit errors anywhe= re in >> the process showed up as hardware I/O errors instantly. If the erro= rs were >> not eliminated during a limited number of retries, they ended up as = permanent >> I/O errors that a human would have to resolve at some point. > >What controllers and drives? I have never seen a drive that does NOT h= ave uncorrectable errors (these are undetectable by the drive). I have = also never seen a controller that checksums the data. The controllers r= ely on the drive to report errors. If the drive does not report an erro= r, then the controller trusts the data. Hmm... [scratches head a moment] Well, IBM 1311, 2305, 2311, 2314= , 3330, 3350, 3380, third-party equivalents of those, DEC RA80, Harris di= sks (model numbers forgotten), HP disks (numbers also forgotten), Prime dis= ks (ditto). Maybe some others that escape me now. Tape drives until the early 1990s that I worked with were all 9-track, so each byte was writt= en across 8 data tracks and 1 parity track. Then we got a cartridge-based system, and I *think* it may have been 10-track (i.e., 2 parity tracks)= . Those computers and I/O subsystems and media had a parity bit for each = byte from the CPU and memory all the way out to the oxide on the media. Any= time odd parity was broken, the hardware detected it and passed an indicatio= n of the error back to the operating system. > >The big difference is that with drives under 1TB the odds of running i= nto an uncorrectable error over the life of the drive is very, very sma= ll. The uncorrectable error rate does NOT scale down as the drives scal= e up. It has been stable at 1 in 10e-14 (for cheap drives) to 1 in 10e-= 15 (for good drives) for over the past 10 years (when I started looking= at that drive spec). So if the rate is not changing and the total amou= nt of data written / read over the life of the drive join up by, in som= e cases, orders of magnitude, the real world occurrence of such errors = is increasing. Interesting. I wondered if that were all there were to it, rather than the rate per gigabyte increasing due to the increased recording density at the larger capacities. I do think that newer drives have a shorter MTBF than the drives of a decade ago, however. I know that non= e of the ones I've seen fail had served any 300,000+ hours that the manufacturers were citing as MTBF values for their products. One "feature" of many newer drives is an automatic spindown whenever the dr= ive has been inactive for a short time. The heating/cooling cycles that re= sult from these "energy-saving" or "standby" responses look to me like proba= ble culprits for drive failures. The spindowns also mean that such a drive cannot have a paging/swa= pping area on it because the kernel will not wait five to ten seconds (while = the drive spins up) for a pagein to complete. Instead, it will log an erro= r message on the console and will terminate the process that needed the p= age. > >> FWIW, I also discovered that I cannot run two such multi-hour-lo= ng >> copy operations in parallel using two separate pairs of drives. Run= ning >> them together seems to go okay for a while, but eventually always re= sults >> in a panic. This is on 9.2-STABLE (r264339). I know that that is n= ot up >> to date, but I can't do anything about that until my disk hardware s= ituation >> is settled.] > >I have had mixed luck with large copy operations via USB on Freebsd 9.= x Under 9.1 I have found it to be completely unreliable. With 9.2 I hav= e managed without too many errors. USB really does not seem to be a goo= d transport for large quantities of data at fast rates. See my rant on = USB hubs here: http://pk1048.com/usb-beware/ I was referring to kernel panics, not I/O errors. These very long copy operations all complete normally when run serially. The panics occur only when I run two such copies in parallel. > I took a look at that link. I've had good luck with Dynex USB 2.0 hubs, both powered and unpowered, but I've only bought their 4-port hub= s, not the 7-ports. One of mine recently failed after at least five years of service, possibly as long as seven years. However, the only hard drive I currently have connected via USB 2.= 0 is my oldest external drive, an 80 GB WD drive in an iomega case, and I have yet to see any problems with it after nearly ten years of mostly around-the-clock service. The drives showing the errors I've described in this thread are all connected via Connectland 4-port USB 3.0 hubs. I have some other ZFS questions, but this posting is very long already, so I'll post them in a separate thread. Well, thank you very much for your reply. I appreciate the helpfu= l information and perspectives from your actual experiences. There are some capabilities that I would very much like to see added to ZFS in th= e future, but I think I can live with what it can already do right now, a= t least for a few years. The protection against data corruption, especia= lly of the silent type, is something I really, really want, and none of the standard RAID versions seems to offer it, so I guess I'll have to go wi= th raidz and deal with the performance hit and the lack of a "grow" comman= d for raidz for now. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 08:03:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18868265 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF0732FC4 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s7283fa8075261; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:03:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D446B123D5; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:03:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:03:40 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: al plant Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip Message-ID: <20140802080340.GA18971@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: al plant , Warren Block , alplant@att.net, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: alplant@att.net, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:03:49 -0000 --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 04:30:05PM -1000, al plant wrote: > Warren Block wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, al plant wrote: > > > >> Aloha, > >> > >> The Telcom here in Honolulu has brought in FiberOptic lines in my=20 > >> neighborhood since the old copper was really bad speed. Cost was=20 > >> reduced and speed is now excellent. > >> > >> I need a how-to for moving an APSfilter print server on my static IP= =20 > >> lan to working with a DHCP network. The Telcom installed a PACE=20 > >> wireless and told me I can add as many computers as I need using a=20 > >> Netgear Gigabit switch. > >> > >> I have installed one desktop on the switch and it has worked fine so= =20 > >> far. > >> > >> I never ised DHCP befor so any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> /etc/rc.conf > >> ------------- > >> lpd_enable=3D"YES" > >> FreeBSD 8.* hostname=3D"mano.intra.net" > >> ifconfig-re0=3D"192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0" > >> > >> -------------- > >> For desktop I used > > >> ifconfig-re0=3D"DHCP" to replace IP address. I seems to find the=20 > >> network fine. Now I cant find any information about putting a print=20 > >> server on the lan. > > > > Summary: continue to use a static IP address for the print server.=20 > > Just make sure that address is inside the same netblock as the DHCP=20 > > addresses, but preferably outside the range of dynamic addresses. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > The PACE box is on 192.168.200.1. >=20 > I will check with Hawaii telcom for instructions on this unit. The mfg's= =20 > website is very unhelpful. >=20 Home routers generally have a web server running on their internal network. You can use it to check and change (parts of) the configuration such as DHC= P. So try pointing your browser to 192.168.200.1. More often than not the defa= ult login name / password combination is admin / admin. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT3JtcAAoJEED21dyjijPgcEIQAJaegkF3IIYal9LzsgBJUZ1F P2+Cin3v+H8BO2uwKIz2xM6jDuPw7+yZKU9BjvEF1d+oO10JaECXOaAxgw/Zt6dQ +qCDaIULozY68HgM+07wDt8n9pKqKP5MbTYUx6cIKNKo2s8fPi6QAdegkFosu0Qg HqiWIgbj+BCU+ScgzuRADinzt47zRJWQML6dUSAaF331keWhq0/XYDMcBUUgkU8V cLCaceydxi0JuR0suEzBqRg32wA96Cm8LEYyoGqrx3YVMzZmDesn6N8x4IhHGi45 phaQDI0XsnLAEq0JEr/POcKMknefnV0cUYr2wXhY7cZU9dHaloGsIq34xd2yPDcN hY2L/Aou22bAKIPqivUNAE5eqolp23EhzGrHaFaR0b7RRRuRdJcDfK5igwFLc4HR yKldyuhZXgCH61QHiLQKiYJgDd62mzlpFdvEcLewhyfCIZqmemcYpbJ7oXRR5tHe Y3TsV2uMvj+xwtca+bekN/1R0idiDyzM/GgN1cxbeXEgmhWEU8jyAfIv73W6kEf9 vWW8mFDr17zcgU5hbGZmyBj5SO+h0uB1DM+1cjXD/LQ/XQDP97P0GMnfTfHJThVg 9QmpZ12FtvqXP2LG2iObKh+AYlgSQ9cbrKwiTDPT5a3ZBsCqBTbWEm0QlYHZE0Dd ZE+w/I65OgZKUbaR1BcR =ygRG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 08:05:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AA5032A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5C32FDE for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XDUJW-0004q4-Dk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 01:05:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 01:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1406966714419-5934110.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20140727221419.35efb9b0@morena.maps.net> References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> <20140727221419.35efb9b0@morena.maps.net> Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:05:15 -0000 > foomatic can process the PPD file Thanks - I already had Foomatic installed. Like Cups, Foomatic also seems to have problems on my system however: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/print-cups-base-web-interface-broken-unable-to-print-tp5918098p5934106.html ----- FreeBSD-11-current_amd64_root-on-zfs_RadeonKMS -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/printcap-configuration-problem-tp5929730p5934110.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 09:55:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3F908D2 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailrelay010.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay010.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729F72A2F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:55:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0GAFa03FNR8my9/2dsb2JhbABagw2BKdNjAYEDF3eEBAEFOhwYCxALGAklDyoeBgoJG4grAcZwF49MB4RLAQScBIJAkiCDTzsv Received: from 189.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.242.108.189]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2014 11:55:12 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s729tBUT001021; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:55:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:55:11 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Nils Effenberger Subject: Re: huge difference between du and df - no open file descriptors Message-ID: <20140802115511.5f72aad6@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <20140731112926.217da976@azubix.tec.work> References: <20140730142609.1ac2bdc9@azubix.tec.work> <20140730173224.76007499@azubix.tec.work> <20140731112926.217da976@azubix.tec.work> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:55:20 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:29:26 +0200 Nils Effenberger wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:32:24 +0200 > Nils Effenberger wrote: >> Then I tried to create another (big) file which lead to the >> following: >> >> >> root@zhoernchen:~ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/test bs=1024 >> count=3500000 >> >> /: write failed, filesystem is full >> dd: /root/test: No space left on device >> 38849+0 records in >> 38848+0 records out >> 39780352 bytes transferred in 0.422187 secs (94224517 bytes/sec) >> root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / >> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >> root@zhoernchen:~ # rm test >> root@zhoernchen:~ # df -h >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/mirror/root 4.8G 4.8G -395M 109% / >> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >> >> (Note that I deleted the 'test' file without effect.) >> >> du(1) still shows 2.2G: >> >> root@zhoernchen:~ # du -shx / >> 2.2G / >> >> When I now try to create files I get ENOSPC :( > > After running fsck over the mirror, which salvaged a few things df(1) > was showing the right values again but the issue remained: > > UFS doesn't release disk space after I delete files. If you haven't found a solution yet, try the freebsd-fs mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 09:58:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 050619BE for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pukruppa.de (pd95cabe3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.92.171.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "pukruppa.de", Issuer "pukruppa.de" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 741AC2A84 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pukruppa.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.de (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s729wY1x035714 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:58:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Message-ID: <53DCB64A.7050608@pukruppa.de> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:58:34 +0200 From: Peter Ulrich Kruppa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Java: 3D Graphics ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:58:45 -0000 Hi, can anyone see this test-applet (on FreeBSD of course): http://jogamp.org/deployment/jogamp-current/jogl-applet-runner-newt-gears-normal-napplet.html It should look like "glx-gears" from graphics/mesa-demos . If yes: How did you do this? Background: I would like to test Geogebra 5 (beta), which will ship with some 3D vector geometry. Thanks and greetings Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 10:25:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6890E88 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87E032F2F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s72AP3Hp016258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Aug 2014 04:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s72AP2FG016254; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 04:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 04:25:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Scott Bennett Subject: Re: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz In-Reply-To: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> Message-ID: References: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Paul Kraus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:25:05 -0000 On Sat, 2 Aug 2014, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:01:36 -0400 Paul Kraus >> ZFS parity is handled slightly differently than for traditional >> raid-5 (as well as the striping of data / parity blocks). So you >> cannot just count on loosing 1, 2, or 3 drives worth of space to >> parity. See Matt Ahren?s Blog entry here >> http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/ for >> (probably) more data on this than you want :-) And here >> https://docs.google.com/a/delphix.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf4qx1aMJp8Lo_R6gpT689wTjHv6CGVElrPqTA0w_ZY/edit?pli=1#gid=2126998674 >> is his spreadsheet that relates space lost due to parity to number of >> drives in raidz vdev and data block size (yes, the amount of space >> lost to parity caries with data block, not configured filesystem >> block size!). There is a separate tab for each of RAIDz1, RAIDz2, and >> RAIDz3. >> > Anyway, using lynx(1), it is very hard to make any sense of the > spreadsheet. Even with a graphic browser, let's say that spreadsheet is not a paragon of clarity. It's not clear what "block size in sectors" means in that context. Filesystem blocks, presumably, but are sectors physical or virtual disk blocks, 512 or 4K? What is that number when using a standard configuration of a disk with 4K sectors and ashift=12? It could be 1, or 8, or maybe something else. As I read it, RAIDZ2 with five disks uses somewhere between 67% and 40% of the data space for redundancy. The first seems unlikely, but I can't tell. Better labels or rearrangement would help. A second chart with no labels at all follows the first. It has only the power-of-two values in the "block size in sectors" column. A restatement of the first one... but it's not clear why. My previous understanding was that RAIDZ2 with five disks would leave 60% of the capacity for data. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 11:14:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 420D1705 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x22d.google.com (mail-we0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D22E9243E for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id q58so5441360wes.4 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aMW4Q8qkHBakypjtGNsSlo8TbSII1jJRUiH8Dj0ifsQ=; b=Y/rC2RObPvZpW+obdVaI05JAhC1x6oNJUMGq3jEpkjdKg2sg+YOjgpg4qyzvEOF44v sNJfrRFkSf4WVx7dPji7r/zOcOeIsvdBflhi9J+RPDKftrSeA8yKQMr1nh+mrsSzXLkm a07z8hyKzJc2acWV6RY2Ao/r2qMJpTcAGbNxhA/+Zp2OyQU7d4//MBoVCJI5zqWEyqRX C3jxAuI4OQJw6FgOZbSQFmCMtrB02LQbUxAyBzXpC8r9b4C1wO9juL0YviyxVMOeYnZC u+rLg9f0DIBCndsHLB+lDyRe7q6ZJKP3qyeE9jdKoGcoKSR4zOyMsbh+HyIXLdTehNGe 7azQ== X-Received: by 10.180.97.129 with SMTP id ea1mr14895485wib.71.1406978086970; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from almelo.raji.xor ([46.142.69.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f16sm18264872wic.7.2014.08.02.04.14.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:14:44 +0200 Message-Id: From: Wolfgang Hukriede To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pkg: sqlite error while executing PRAGMA user_version MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:14:49 -0000 I'm getting host> pkg info pkg: sqlite error while executing PRAGMA user_version; in file pkgdb.c:2284: database is locked I already tried to reboot, rm /var/db/pkg/repo* to no effect. When run as root "pkg info" shows a few packages, but most not. This is fbsd 8.4, pkg version 1.3.3 on a diskless machine (9.1 as nfs server). Is there any recipe on how to proceed? I'd very much be willing to rebuild the sqlite database from zero but don't know how. Many thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 12:39:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E75F5FD for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F17862A81 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s72Cd4Ar004013; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:39:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <53DCDBE8.8060704@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:39:04 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block , Scott Bennett Subject: Re: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz References: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Paul Kraus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 12:39:15 -0000 On 02/08/2014 11:25, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2014, Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:01:36 -0400 Paul Kraus > >>> ZFS parity is handled slightly differently than for traditional >>> raid-5 (as well as the striping of data / parity blocks). So you >>> cannot just count on loosing 1, 2, or 3 drives worth of space to >>> parity. See Matt Ahren?s Blog entry here >>> http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/ for >>> (probably) more data on this than you want :-) And here >>> https://docs.google.com/a/delphix.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf4qx1aMJp8Lo_R6gpT689wTjHv6CGVElrPqTA0w_ZY/edit?pli=1#gid=2126998674 >>> is his spreadsheet that relates space lost due to parity to number of >>> drives in raidz vdev and data block size (yes, the amount of space >>> lost to parity caries with data block, not configured filesystem >>> block size!). There is a separate tab for each of RAIDz1, RAIDz2, and >>> RAIDz3. >>> >> Anyway, using lynx(1), it is very hard to make any sense of the >> spreadsheet. > > Even with a graphic browser, let's say that spreadsheet is not a paragon > of clarity. It's not clear what "block size in sectors" means in that > context. Filesystem blocks, presumably, but are sectors physical or > virtual disk blocks, 512 or 4K? What is that number when using a > standard configuration of a disk with 4K sectors and ashift=12? It > could be 1, or 8, or maybe something else. > > As I read it, RAIDZ2 with five disks uses somewhere between 67% and 40% > of the data space for redundancy. The first seems unlikely, but I can't > tell. Better labels or rearrangement would help. > > A second chart with no labels at all follows the first. It has only the > power-of-two values in the "block size in sectors" column. A > restatement of the first one... but it's not clear why. > > My previous understanding was that RAIDZ2 with five disks would leave > 60% of the capacity for data. Quite right. If you have N disks in a RAIDZx configuration, the fraction used for data is (N-x)/N and the fraction for parity is x/N. There's always overhead for the file system bookkeeping of course, but that's not specific to ZFS or RAID. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 13:39:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 152FB140 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA0C920C5 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XDZWs-0002Wn-Lx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 06:39:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1406986762673-5934162.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1406966714419-5934110.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> <20140727221419.35efb9b0@morena.maps.net> <1406966714419-5934110.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:39:25 -0000 @Warren: Below is what I have in printcap and the filter file. psif is straight out of the Handbook page. When printing an existing ps file with "$ /usr/bin/lpr -Php2100", the resulting hardcopy has 3-4 lines truncated from the top - I can't figure it out. Secondly, I don't see the point of piping an already ps-formated file through ghostscript, unless it's to adjust print resolution. Is gs smart enough to recognize a ps file and simply (and quickly) modify the ink amount or must it do a complete re-process of the page? hp2100:lp:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=raw:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/filters/psif:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:af=/var/spool/lpd/acct:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp2100:\ :mx=0:sh: # psif: Print PostScript or plain text on a PostScript printer IFS="" read -r first_line first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` case "$first_two_chars" in %!) # %! : PostScript job, print it. echo "$first_line" && cat && exit 0 exit 2 ;; *) # otherwise, format with enscript ( echo "$first_line"; cat ) | /usr/local/bin/enscript -o - && exit 0 exit 2 ;; esac ----- FreeBSD-11-current_amd64_root-on-zfs_RadeonKMS -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/printcap-configuration-problem-tp5929730p5934162.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 14:12:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1168571F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 14:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D01ED24AB for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 14:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-76-175.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.175]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72EC3WP026163 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:18:18 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:12:12 -0000 On 08/01/14 18:28, Roland Smith wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 03:22:53PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 08/01/14 11:43, Roland Smith wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 08:35:19AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>> On 07/31/14 22:33, Warren Block wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> .... I am new to FreeBSD, been using UNIX since '86 (ConvexOS, then >>>>>> SGI), Linux since 1995 ISlack, Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, CentOS). I >>>>>> just apparently completed an install of FreeBSD AMD64 on a >>>>>> purpose-built computer, Jaguar Kabini based (Sempron 3850), 4 X 1 TB >>>>>> HGST SATA3 HDD's, 16 GB RAM. I partitioned the HDD;s using the shell >>>>>> option from the partition dialog (used a shell script, >>>>> Why? What did the shell script do? >>>> Mostly saved me possible typos typing it all in live .... It just >>>> entered the same gpt/gstripe/newfs.etc commands I would have typed in at >>>> the console .... >>> Why don't you use the installer that comes on the install images, >>> `bsdinstall`? >>> >>> Roland >> >> I poked around a bit (*not* much), & missed anything RAID-related in the >> installer .... is that on me ? The FreeBSD doc site seemed to imply that >> I would need the shell approach to do what I wanted, so I mostly just >> went w/ that, maybe more pilot error :-/ .... > Personally, to keep things simple I like to install FreeBSD on a simple UFS > partition. > > Once the system is up and running I can then mirror/raid the data drives any > way I choose. > > There is a wiki page about setting up FreeBSD on a mirrored ZFS boot drive > though; https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE > > > Roland I tried that & it worked, I am up & running, but on only 1/4 drives. I know ZFS can add drive/providers to stripes or mirrors, how about UFS ? I can create the stripe for /home & arrange for that to be mounted, but what about root ? Is there a way to create a stripe from 1 or more possibly partitions ? TIA for any more clues .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 15:58:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F344FC5E for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C6C2F04 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id s7so5113342qap.23 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=8awJx8or0gz8IJ5hcQPtTelo4QnGrZtiMItNKY1srZw=; b=X9MDp4rUcIiesGN7bs4jmMtMGg/S2RMECejAxF/geKYJMw9NTQGcchn0fwNVuMLa83 RedNSfVUy2YDGjRDKUDsKqaGSSolhE08XgLzTTBAXqv5ckMFQs1O4T4ie1S4eL3jHN9q fYHH0/0yN2N34fP1qjeOvAWJMcOjfu8X+iyz0C0k3zUUHMrQAGiVsvT/tDSc3O/sJy8P pYVQXtVlLRWH+FaG+TkyVi+0pSFVyxpfTSRZ/jiJMT53dGaeW+gwIygPYggx6wHjHm/e Tkmk5MdidJk43JKPNuyFIkKTLEadW9uEiNCFyTlMhcoGR5jzZj9LQ+Vh48K3DyPs7I9+ uLpg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnQa/RkRYfTG7Ht3llVcgtG8HYBfGM1vHIZm8u4LpA3r7xY+pdrSSyd4xJ65Qt4VxEV/AnR X-Received: by 10.224.137.65 with SMTP id v1mr20300212qat.53.1406995129441; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] ([96.236.21.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n20sm21144730qar.38.2014.08.02.08.58.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:58:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27521B45-98E0-4FDD-978F-83DA0CFA993E@kraus-haus.org> References: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 15:58:57 -0000 On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:25, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2014, Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:01:36 -0400 Paul Kraus = >=20 >>> ZFS parity is handled slightly differently than for traditional = raid-5 (as well as the striping of data / parity blocks). So you cannot = just count on loosing 1, 2, or 3 drives worth of space to parity. See = Matt Ahren?s Blog entry here = http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/ for (probably) = more data on this than you want :-) And here = https://docs.google.com/a/delphix.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf4qx1aMJp8Lo_R6gpT6= 89wTjHv6CGVElrPqTA0w_ZY/edit?pli=3D1#gid=3D2126998674 is his spreadsheet = that relates space lost due to parity to number of drives in raidz vdev = and data block size (yes, the amount of space lost to parity caries with = data block, not configured filesystem block size!). There is a separate = tab for each of RAIDz1, RAIDz2, and RAIDz3. >>>=20 >> Anyway, using lynx(1), it is very hard to make any sense of the = spreadsheet. >=20 > Even with a graphic browser, let's say that spreadsheet is not a = paragon of clarity. Do NOT try to understand the spreadsheet on it=92s own, it is part of = the Blog entry. Read the blog and look at the spreadsheet as Matt refers = to it. > It's not clear what "block size in sectors" means in that context. = Filesystem blocks, presumably, but are sectors physical or virtual disk = blocks, 512 or 4K? What is that number when using a standard = configuration of a disk with 4K sectors and ashift=3D12? It could be 1, = or 8, or maybe something else. >=20 > As I read it, RAIDZ2 with five disks uses somewhere between 67% and = 40% of the data space for redundancy. The first seems unlikely, but I = can't tell. Better labels or rearrangement would help. >=20 > A second chart with no labels at all follows the first. It has only = the > power-of-two values in the "block size in sectors" column. A = restatement of the first one... but it's not clear why. Look at the names of the sheets in the document. They are referred to = back in the blog entry. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 16:34:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E1F720F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 16:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BD412203 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 16:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s72GYh0p006194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s72GYhdZ006189; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:34:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Beeblebrox Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <1406986762673-5934162.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> <20140727221419.35efb9b0@morena.maps.net> <1406966714419-5934110.post@n5.nabble.com> <1406986762673-5934162.post@n5.nabble.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:34:52 -0000 On Sat, 2 Aug 2014, Beeblebrox wrote: > @Warren: > Below is what I have in printcap and the filter file. psif is straight out > of the Handbook page. When printing an existing ps file with "$ /usr/bin/lpr > -Php2100", the resulting hardcopy has 3-4 lines truncated from the top - I > can't figure it out. Sorry, I don't understand the question. > Secondly, I don't see the point of piping an already ps-formated file > through ghostscript, unless it's to adjust print resolution. Is gs smart > enough to recognize a ps file and simply (and quickly) modify the ink amount > or must it do a complete re-process of the page? Ghostscript is not involved here. The first two characters of the incoming file are read. If they are %!, it is assumed to be a PostScript file and sent straight through. Otherwise, it is assumed to be a plain text file, and formatted into a PostScript file with print/enscript-[letter|a4]. Both cases are for use with a printer that understands PostScript natively. A plain LaserJet 2100 does not, although there was a 2100m that did, and a PS SIMM could be added to the other models. > hp2100:lp:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=raw:\ > :if=/usr/local/libexec/filters/psif:\ > :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:af=/var/spool/lpd/acct:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp2100:\ > :mx=0:sh: > > # psif: Print PostScript or plain text on a PostScript printer > IFS="" read -r first_line > first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` > > case "$first_two_chars" in > %!) > # %! : PostScript job, print it. > echo "$first_line" && cat && exit 0 > exit 2 > ;; > *) > # otherwise, format with enscript > ( echo "$first_line"; cat ) | /usr/local/bin/enscript -o - && exit 0 > exit 2 > ;; > esac From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 17:35:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C047887 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 17:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFC502988 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 17:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XDdD3-0005dF-OD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 19:35:09 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 19:35:09 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 19:35:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:34:54 -0400 Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> <20140802080340.GA18971@slackbox.erewhon.home> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:35:21 -0000 Roland Smith wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 04:30:05PM -1000, al plant wrote: >> Warren Block wrote: >> > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, al plant wrote: >> > >> >> Aloha, >> >> >> >> The Telcom here in Honolulu has brought in FiberOptic lines in my >> >> neighborhood since the old copper was really bad speed. Cost was >> >> reduced and speed is now excellent. >> >> >> >> I need a how-to for moving an APSfilter print server on my static IP >> >> lan to working with a DHCP network. The Telcom installed a PACE >> >> wireless and told me I can add as many computers as I need using a >> >> Netgear Gigabit switch. >> >> >> >> I have installed one desktop on the switch and it has worked fine so >> >> far. >> >> >> >> I never ised DHCP befor so any help would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> /etc/rc.conf >> >> ------------- >> >> lpd_enable="YES" >> >> FreeBSD 8.* hostname="mano.intra.net" >> >> ifconfig-re0="192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0" >> >> >> >> -------------- >> >> For desktop I used > >> >> ifconfig-re0="DHCP" to replace IP address. I seems to find the >> >> network fine. Now I cant find any information about putting a print >> >> server on the lan. >> > > >> > Summary: continue to use a static IP address for the print server. >> > Just make sure that address is inside the same netblock as the DHCP >> > addresses, but preferably outside the range of dynamic addresses. [snip] >> > >> > > >> The PACE box is on 192.168.200.1. >> >> I will check with Hawaii telcom for instructions on this unit. The mfg's >> website is very unhelpful. >> > > Home routers generally have a web server running on their internal > network. You can use it to check and change (parts of) the configuration > such as DHCP. So try pointing your browser to 192.168.200.1. More often > than not the default login name / password combination is admin / admin. > > Roland I have my fbsd gateway box set for a static IP so I can configure it on the router as the "DMZ" machine, which is orthogonal to the print server thing. In order to get the IP in the same network I alter the DHCP scope in the router. Once in the router web config, look for the section that configures the DHCP server and there will be a starting address such as 192.168.200.2 and an ending address usually like 192.168.200.254. The 192.168.200.1 is reserved for the router itself. Notice it is already outside the DHCP scope. Simply increment the scope start address up one to 192.168.200.3 and you will have freed an IP in the same network for use with a static IP. Of course, adjust example for what matches the IP ranges in use by the router, for example many are on 192.168.1.1 so instead of my DHCP scope beginning at 192.168.1.2 I changed it to begin at 192.168.1.3, allowing 192.168.1.2 to be used as a static IP on the WAN-facing nic in my gateway machine. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 18:54:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E26F3E98 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9411C21A7 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s72IsgTh056697; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:54:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 92943123C9; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:54:42 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... Message-ID: <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:54:53 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 09:18:18AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >> I poked around a bit (*not* much), & missed anything RAID-related in t= he > >> installer .... is that on me ? The FreeBSD doc site seemed to imply th= at > >> I would need the shell approach to do what I wanted, so I mostly just > >> went w/ that, maybe more pilot error :-/ .... > > Personally, to keep things simple I like to install FreeBSD on a simple= UFS > > partition. > > > > Once the system is up and running I can then mirror/raid the data drive= s any > > way I choose. > > > > There is a wiki page about setting up FreeBSD on a mirrored ZFS boot dr= ive > > though; https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE > > > > > > Roland > > > I tried that & it worked, I am up & running, but on only 1/4 drives. I kn= ow > ZFS can add drive/providers to stripes or mirrors, how about UFS ? I can > create the stripe for /home & arrange for that to be mounted, but what ab= out > root ? Is there a way to create a stripe from 1 or more possibly partitio= ns > ? TIA for any more clues .... You can create a stripe from devices, not from partitions, AFAICT. See gstripe(8). Unlike ZFS (where you can add disks to an existing pool), I don= 't think you can later add devices to an existing gstripe. I'd suggest that you create a raidz pool from the remaining devices, and use that for whatever filesystems you like. You can have multiple filesystems on one zpool, and they will share all the space in the pool. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT3TPyAAoJEED21dyjijPgMg4P/R65Cxtrzl2yy5z9WFREtFEp ows3X3MQkyncNmKq1JXX1P2P/ZPKptj57VyN7Z000GCz2F5rU98rqjHH3cbjuedF rBqG4PdLrgy+JFfvii+bTUC0vdMyk/sU4i718H+OgC/biGLqFgG9ECZuAVSJK1r3 c37AGCCtFoeE+isCIv0LP5hZrvyOrtTdAlBAt2s/PN9CIKFq1Lyzcl2AWN2zVW15 nL45Ve9LvhfBRnOghvoqXIAx91dloKdjY5WTH+CNPLbBRCbm2hd85+QzPZO+WJjA Wd1ehYCU9nfMNTBnC9dpgwalHY7HCcVJ/9xmsQa5jFxMkfC3LX8qtFdmfEgVVadL EaAoIiQqnIcsJZntE7pdrL0ehNT8C4P/GQ3Pr63N5d12a7mo4TYerJ36/ftUJV0O dqJ6g91Qiw6s6VOICYj/wSKDoTU1UMkVQlmcsN/spKMRUENWhMJK0BpU7X56ouh8 CcP00RASHoLyRoal4VmapPDmoV+8+rmwf8CNb8t1TR7BlhS1uTpweDZbCNj1aMN0 XLSy6CQE+bM6eb4DxL2dIZ2MbwQZHKTeAjU30FsDGHCgapCK80m5Tixu5rSIJPXg syuc9aNb+VsF6W37jrysrb61SL5FxhaVwGWfSLrvremEuh3rTcBmxweXop5TTN15 smZjEiGkebRh7Gjp0E3q =HrpB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 20:24:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85943D58 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from IMAIL5.netenterprise.net (imail5.netenterprise.net [64.29.90.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441402982 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ponolei.intra.net [72.235.61.32] by IMAIL5.netenterprise.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id ee040003971b4c0b; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:23:58 -1000 Message-ID: <53DD48DF.8060603@hdk5.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:23:59 -1000 From: al plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> <20140802080340.GA18971@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 20:24:01 -0000 Michael Powell wrote: > Roland Smith wrote: > > >> On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 04:30:05PM -1000, al plant wrote: >> >>> Warren Block wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, al plant wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Aloha, >>>>> >>>>> The Telcom here in Honolulu has brought in FiberOptic lines in my >>>>> neighborhood since the old copper was really bad speed. Cost was >>>>> reduced and speed is now excellent. >>>>> >>>>> I need a how-to for moving an APSfilter print server on my static IP >>>>> lan to working with a DHCP network. The Telcom installed a PACE >>>>> wireless and told me I can add as many computers as I need using a >>>>> Netgear Gigabit switch. >>>>> >>>>> I have installed one desktop on the switch and it has worked fine so >>>>> far. >>>>> >>>>> I never ised DHCP befor so any help would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> /etc/rc.conf >>>>> ------------- >>>>> lpd_enable="YES" >>>>> FreeBSD 8.* hostname="mano.intra.net" >>>>> ifconfig-re0="192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0" >>>>> >>>>> -------------- >>>>> For desktop I used > >>>>> ifconfig-re0="DHCP" to replace IP address. I seems to find the >>>>> network fine. Now I cant find any information about putting a print >>>>> server on the lan. >>>>> >> >> >>>> Summary: continue to use a static IP address for the print server. >>>> Just make sure that address is inside the same netblock as the DHCP >>>> addresses, but preferably outside the range of dynamic addresses. >>>> > [snip] > >>>> >> >> >>> The PACE box is on 192.168.200.1. >>> >>> I will check with Hawaii telcom for instructions on this unit. The mfg's >>> website is very unhelpful. >>> >>> >> Home routers generally have a web server running on their internal >> network. You can use it to check and change (parts of) the configuration >> such as DHCP. So try pointing your browser to 192.168.200.1. More often >> than not the default login name / password combination is admin / admin. >> >> Roland >> > > I have my fbsd gateway box set for a static IP so I can configure it on the > router as the "DMZ" machine, which is orthogonal to the print server thing. > In order to get the IP in the same network I alter the DHCP scope in the > router. Once in the router web config, look for the section that configures > the DHCP server and there will be a starting address such as 192.168.200.2 > and an ending address usually like 192.168.200.254. The 192.168.200.1 is > reserved for the router itself. Notice it is already outside the DHCP scope. > Simply increment the scope start address up one to 192.168.200.3 and you > will have freed an IP in the same network for use with a static IP. Of > course, adjust example for what matches the IP ranges in use by the router, > for example many are on 192.168.1.1 so instead of my DHCP scope beginning at > 192.168.1.2 I changed it to begin at 192.168.1.3, allowing 192.168.1.2 to be > used as a static IP on the WAN-facing nic in my gateway machine. > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Thanks, -- ~ Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 ~ Supporting FreeBSD - UNIX Computer O/S email: noc@hdk5.net ."All that's really worth doing is what we do for others" - Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 20:32:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0E0DE45 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB042A43 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 20:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s72KWAmC084011 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pki2.com; s=pki2; t=1407011530; bh=NyV8duiuRKINkQ9yyOtdBYlOzfDkR4z9dG032/Lon6E=; h=Subject:From:To:Date; b=KV/LGWeWtLJ2/ty4i8iI1KrJsUMlIbMUSdyE1gZnxZEyF/Gr0T6OpHVUNEVc+lsmm p/0WTXlngLCOb6+tA87qAJQPYOm3QKISUH15tQNq9NkhrdKzc5FJINP3y/gP7gQRJY oFXKs2h44ZdcCvzU7tu+COGaLeYtCbdtZ2bHW2NlcU2/yLDT9CGBgRNspUDtqfeHSY m7PN6SJTuRP8HT3C9j0dqSLmbXwUnxRlhUbXlnERraopwrdjVYPS8+QJX8vo/f6vOI sG6wR7FVGcmjzQ7Hd2QuVcSdeR07cqRjSMkRcDMteYhz0kt87kvJUVw4pvFJJRkRl7 BZJ7NTkL/PCjA== Subject: FreeBSD lists and DKIM From: Dennis Glatting To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:32:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1407011530.3895.84.camel@btw.pki2.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner-ID: s72KWAmC084011 X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 20:32:22 -0000 Mail coming through the FreeBSD lists often breaks messages signed through DKIM. What is the policy to resolve this issue? Turning off DKIM isn't an option. If there is a signature, such as someone in the chain coming through gmail, it must validate or the message is rejected. I understand this is a common problem for email lists and there are patches available to reformat messages. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6377 The best general recommendation for dealing with MLMs is that the MLM or an MTA in the MLM's domain apply its own DKIM signature to each message it forwards and that assessors on the receiving end consider the MLM's domain signature in making their assessments. (See Section 5, especially Section 5.2.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 21:02:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35D5F58D for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F354C2E85 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72L1xR9018793 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 16:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:08:13 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 21:02:01 -0000 On 08/02/14 13:54, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 09:18:18AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>> I poked around a bit (*not* much), & missed anything RAID-related in the >>>> installer .... is that on me ? The FreeBSD doc site seemed to imply that >>>> I would need the shell approach to do what I wanted, so I mostly just >>>> went w/ that, maybe more pilot error :-/ .... >>> Personally, to keep things simple I like to install FreeBSD on a simple UFS >>> partition. >>> >>> Once the system is up and running I can then mirror/raid the data drives any >>> way I choose. >>> >>> There is a wiki page about setting up FreeBSD on a mirrored ZFS boot drive >>> though; https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE >>> >>> >>> Roland >> >> I tried that & it worked, I am up & running, but on only 1/4 drives. I know >> ZFS can add drive/providers to stripes or mirrors, how about UFS ? I can >> create the stripe for /home & arrange for that to be mounted, but what about >> root ? Is there a way to create a stripe from 1 or more possibly partitions >> ? TIA for any more clues .... > You can create a stripe from devices, not from partitions, AFAICT. See > gstripe(8). Unlike ZFS (where you can add disks to an existing pool), I don't > think you can later add devices to an existing gstripe. > > I'd suggest that you create a raidz pool from the remaining devices, and use > that for whatever filesystems you like. You can have multiple filesystems on > one zpool, and they will share all the space in the pool. > > > Roland I like ZFS, but I decided that my puny little 25W 1.3 ghz CPU was gonna choke on checksums & not get anything else done, hence the switch back to UFS. I came up w/ a slightly hairbrained solution. I created a stripe of the 3 remaining 20 GB partitions, copied everything under /usr over to it, & plan to mount it as /usr. 1 question: as of now, /usr is taking up 1.1 GB out of 1.7 GB on my 20 GB root partition. With such a limited root FS, I want every available byte available for duty. Is there any way to delete what's under /usr on the fly before the mount of the /usr stripe to recover that space back for the rest of the install ? I have only done the base install as of now, will be installing X, XFCE, LXDE, & who knows what else .... P.S. sorry for me klutzy nomenclature, I am calling /dev/ada0p3 a partition, when as you correctly observe it is a device .... my bad, & maybe the source of confusion in my posts :-/ .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 21:07:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B115AAA2 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72E4D2EFB for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0143F27625; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s72L7T98001930; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:07:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:07:29 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Roland Smith Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip Message-Id: <20140802230729.617ab1ec.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140802080340.GA18971@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> <20140802080340.GA18971@slackbox.erewhon.home> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: alplant@att.net, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" , al plant X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 21:07:39 -0000 On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:03:40 +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > Home routers generally have a web server running on their internal network. > You can use it to check and change (parts of) the configuration such as DHCP. > So try pointing your browser to 192.168.200.1. More often than not the default > login name / password combination is admin / admin. Allow me an addition: Some home routers with a web interface allow you to also define fixed (local) addresses depending on the MAC address, so the DHCP server will issue the same IP every time a given device connects. However, not all routers support that function - I have already met models where you can select the local IP range (192.168.x.[y-z]), but you cannot set fixed addresses... Regarding the admin access: On some models, the factory setting is printed on the back, or it comes with the docu- mentation provided by the ISP which "normal people" immediately throw away after receiving their new shiny equipment. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 21:28:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA2C6CD0 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 666CB207B for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s72LSrmH077694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s72LSrIt077691; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:28:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... In-Reply-To: <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Aug 2014 15:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 21:28:55 -0000 On Sat, 2 Aug 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > I like ZFS, but I decided that my puny little 25W 1.3 ghz CPU was gonna choke > on checksums & not get anything else done, hence the switch back to UFS. Checksums are not a problem, RAM can be. > I came up w/ a slightly hairbrained solution. I created a stripe of > the 3 remaining 20 GB partitions, copied everything under /usr over to > it, & plan to mount it as /usr. You're aware that this is RAID0, and failure of any of the drives will cause the whole thing to fail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 21:29:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6854D56 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from IMAIL5.netenterprise.net (imail5.netenterprise.net [64.29.90.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7361B2087 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net [66.180.149.18] by IMAIL5.netenterprise.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 23f70003990e4d7b; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:29:32 -1000 Message-ID: <53DD5834.6010607@hdk5.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:29:24 -1000 From: Al Plant Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: switch to DCHP from static ip References: <53DC43AA.8080509@hdk5.net> <53DC4D2D.8010501@hdk5.net> <20140802080340.GA18971@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20140802230729.617ab1ec.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140802230729.617ab1ec.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , alplant@att.net, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 21:29:40 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:03:40 +0200, Roland Smith wrote: >> Home routers generally have a web server running on their internal network. >> You can use it to check and change (parts of) the configuration such as DHCP. >> So try pointing your browser to 192.168.200.1. More often than not the default >> login name / password combination is admin / admin. > > Allow me an addition: > > Some home routers with a web interface allow you to also > define fixed (local) addresses depending on the MAC address, > so the DHCP server will issue the same IP every time a > given device connects. However, not all routers support > that function - I have already met models where you can > select the local IP range (192.168.x.[y-z]), but you > cannot set fixed addresses... > > Regarding the admin access: On some models, the factory > setting is printed on the back, or it comes with the docu- > mentation provided by the ISP which "normal people" > immediately throw away after receiving their new shiny > equipment. ;-) > > > ##### From the telcom. Thay did not leave any documentation. I got some from PACE website and from the FreeBSD Gurus. For which I am thankful. This PACE 5168NV router is labled as : http://192.168.200.1 For configuration purposes. :) ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 21:43:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E99F11D0 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9F9021F7 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D4AD24C70; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:43:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s72Lhh9J003107; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:43:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:43:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... Message-Id: <20140802234343.c4243aae.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 21:43:46 -0000 On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:08:13 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > P.S. sorry for me klutzy nomenclature, I am calling /dev/ada0p3 a > partition, when as you correctly observe it is a device .... my bad, & > maybe the source of confusion in my posts :-/ .... You're _not_ doing it wrong. :-) The _file_ /dev/ada0p3 represents a GPT partition (the 3rd GPT partition of the 1st SATA disk). It's valid to refer to /dev/ada0p3 as a partition. A partition carries a file system. For comparison: /dev/ad0s1 would be called a slice, which is synonymous for a "DOS primary partition", or MBR partition. The _real_ partition carrying a file system would be /dev/ad0s1a, for example (the 1st partition of the 1st slice of the 1st ATA disk). If a dedicated approach would have been taken, i. e., the slicing part omitted, /dev/ad0a would be a partition (the 1st partition of the 1st ATA disk). While a slice can carry many partitions (file systems) - 'a' = bootable, 'b' = swap, 'c' = the whole thing, 'd', 'e' and so on -, a GPT partition only carries one partition (a file system) - 'c', and this letter is simply omitted. ad0, da0, ada0 -> disk ad0p1 -> GPT partition ad0s1 -> MBR partition = slice (carries partitions) ad0s1a, ad0s1d -> partition ad0a -> bootable partition (dedicated) ad0 -> partition (dedicated, "data partition"), it's ad0c Note that all non-GPT partitioning has little meaning today, but it's worth knowing the difference and history in order to use the correct terminology with confidence. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 22:30:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75CE9981 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F5E1267A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72MUCpW000542 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 17:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD67EA.90808@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:36:26 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 22:30:14 -0000 On 08/02/14 16:28, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >> I like ZFS, but I decided that my puny little 25W 1.3 ghz CPU was >> gonna choke on checksums & not get anything else done, hence the >> switch back to UFS. > > Checksums are not a problem, RAM can be. > >> I came up w/ a slightly hairbrained solution. I created a stripe of >> the 3 remaining 20 GB partitions, copied everything under /usr over >> to it, & plan to mount it as /usr. > > You're aware that this is RAID0, and failure of any of the drives will > cause the whole thing to fail? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Yes, fully aware. All data will be rsynced daily & tar'ed twice weekly, so I'm OK w/ the risk. 4 squeaky new 2.5" SATA3 HDD's. case running <30C right now, I'm comfy .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 22:41:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCD4DA76 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968F62757 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3hQgBC0dFJzCS for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:33:38 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gvinum raid5 vs. ZFS raidz Message-ID: <2D72AC9FF5B82553FEF7D3EB@[192.168.1.50]> In-Reply-To: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> References: <201408020621.s726LsiA024208@sdf.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 22:41:44 -0000 --As of August 2, 2014 1:21:54 AM -0500, Scott Bennett is alleged to have said: >>> Does not support migration to any other Does not support migration >>> RAID levels or their equivalents. between raidz levels, even by >> >> Correct. Once you have created a vdev, that vdev must remain the same >> type. You can add mirrors to a mirror vdev, but you cannot add drives or >> change raid level to raidz1, raidz2, or raidz3 vdevs. > > Too bad. Increasing the raidz level ought to be not much more > difficult than growing the raidz device by adding more spindles. Doing > the latter ought to be no more difficult that doing it with gvinum's > stripe or raid5 devices. Perhaps the ZFS developers will eventually > implement these capabilities. (A side thought: gstripe and graid3 > devices ought also to be expandable in this manner, although the resulting > number of graid3 components would still need to be 2^n + 1.) --As for the rest, it is mine. There actually is a semi-simple way, even if it's not direct... You can 'send' a ZFS filesystem to a backup drive, and then 'receive' it back to a new pool. It will keep all file and volume level options when you do that, but the pools can be set up differently. It's not something you can do in-place, but it's not hard either. (Basically, it's a simplified 'backup and restore to new setup', but it is majorly simplified.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:05:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A36D3C6E for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 539EC28DB for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72N533X016736 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD7015.4000903@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:11:17 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.3 new install problems .... References: <53DAFCF2.2070909@hiwaay.net> <53DB9797.1010702@hiwaay.net> <20140801164335.GA16376@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DBF71D.3080807@hiwaay.net> <20140801232843.GB17393@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DCF32A.30700@hiwaay.net> <20140802185442.GA28910@slackbox.erewhon.home> <53DD533D.7090700@hiwaay.net> <20140802213002.GB77128@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20140802213002.GB77128@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:05:04 -0000 On 08/02/14 16:30, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 04:08:13PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> root FS, I want every available byte available for duty. Is there any >> way to delete what's under /usr on the fly before the mount of the /usr >> stripe to recover that space back for the rest of the install ? I have >> only done the base install as of now, will be installing X, XFCE, LXDE, >> & who knows what else .... > In single-user mode: > mount -a > rm -rf /usr > mkdir /usr > > You can use df on "/" and "/usr/." to make sure you are deleting the > correct /usr tree. > > Alternate method with mounting only "/" as read-write: > mount -u -o rw / > rm -rf /usr > mkdir /usr > > Personally, I always run fsck on a filesystem before I mount it. Nowadays > you don't have to, but I still do it just to be extra safe. Thanks, that worked about 99% AOK, good enough for me .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:22:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2253EEF for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86EC02A8F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72NMWFj023334 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:28:47 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: permission problems w/ ordinary user .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:22:33 -0000 .... I have been trying to setup the regular user (me, non-root) on my newly minted FreeBSD 9.3 box. I tried su-ing from tooy & ssh-ing in as me from another box, both give weird results, see the following from my syslog: Aug 2 17:59:03 kabini1 ntpd[676]: ntpd 4.2.4p5-a (1) Aug 2 17:59:03 kabini1 kernel: . Aug 2 18:02:16 kabini1 ntpd[677]: time reset -0.337616 s Aug 2 18:17:11 kabini1 su: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:17:11 kabini1 su: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:21:21 kabini1 sshd[1214]: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:21:21 kabini1 sshd[1214]: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:21:21 kabini1 sshd[1215]: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:23:01 kabini1 sshd[1251]: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:23:01 kabini1 sshd[1251]: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied Aug 2 18:23:01 kabini1 sshd[1252]: _secure_path: cannot stat /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied also, the home-directory keeps getting the 'x' permission bit set to off by .... something .... I can ssh in as root no sweat, but problems as regular user .... more pilot error, I suspect :-/ ... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:40:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D887F20C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C7C52D0C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 863B03CC44; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 01:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s72NedmK002304; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 01:40:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 01:40:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: permission problems w/ ordinary user .... Message-Id: <20140803014039.75f4b2f9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> References: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:40:47 -0000 On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:28:47 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > .... I have been trying to setup the regular user (me, non-root) on my > newly minted FreeBSD 9.3 box. I tried su-ing from tooy & ssh-ing in as > me from another box, both give weird results, see the following from my > syslog: > > [...] > Aug 2 18:23:01 kabini1 sshd[1252]: _secure_path: cannot stat > /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied > > > also, the home-directory keeps getting the 'x' permission bit set to off > by .... something .... I think you have described the reason for the problem: The x attribute for a directory means "enter and search" and should be _set_ for the user. If it's not, the user cannot enter his own home directory or access files within it. In this case, /home/wam/.login_conf cannot be read which seems to be neccessary for the login process. You need to find that "something" that created or altered /home/wam with the x attribute off. Login as root and correct the setting manually, so you should be able to login afterwards. This is how the resulting "ls -l /home" output it should look like for your user: drwx------ [...] wam wam [...] wam/ ^ (This is minimum permissions; drwxrwxr-x or drwxr-x--- are other common examples.) How did you introduce the user to the system? Did you use "adduser" or "pw add"? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:46:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C1B73BA for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E6B52D45 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home (slackbox.xs4all.nl [83.162.243.5]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s72NjsVd036422; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 01:45:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C5A6B123F1; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 01:45:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 01:45:54 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: permission problems w/ ordinary user .... Message-ID: <20140802234554.GA34503@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:46:05 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 06:28:47PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >=20 > .... I have been trying to setup the regular user (me, non-root) on my=20 > newly minted FreeBSD 9.3 box. I tried su-ing from tooy & ssh-ing in as=20 > me from another box, both give weird results, see the following from my= =20 > syslog: >=20 >=20 > Aug 2 17:59:03 kabini1 ntpd[676]: ntpd 4.2.4p5-a (1) > Aug 2 17:59:03 kabini1 kernel: . > Aug 2 18:02:16 kabini1 ntpd[677]: time reset -0.337616 s > Aug 2 18:17:11 kabini1 su: _secure_path: cannot stat=20 > /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied > Aug 2 18:17:11 kabini1 su: _secure_path: cannot stat=20 > /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied That could be a symptom of the x permission disappearing. >=20 > also, the home-directory keeps getting the 'x' permission bit set to off= =20 > by .... something .... To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the base system that normal= ly does that. But if the x bit _is_ disappearing, then something is doing a chmod(1) or chmod(2). Do you have any scripts or cron jobs running? Or is there a chmod in one of your rc files like ~/.profile, ~/.tcshrc or /etc/csh.cshrc? You could set the user immutable flag or even the system immutable flag on that directory (or remount the partition as read-only) and see if you get a= ny error messages in /var/log/messages. > I can ssh in as root no sweat Yikes. That is usually the first thing I'd disable! Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT3XgyAAoJEED21dyjijPgX4MQAIxPtrQ/IwcuKA9Kyn4kzkjg /9AS99JBNlNei1fxAfziynXAvjEwPZGuCSfZuXp+IbpqgMSOKsFsIpRbCTY48gn0 OXK5SWq6Av6JvocvOtNQAn58V+jQ9KqqgdjYYpoG35uIri3NXH09xdB8xwr3dGCF 5OIzFIINePnkl45QMgiOd71E2nA6kvOFj2IuM3BfXsnEfc8HWtNjuZfFpgoVJpPh dkj7L6oXbkduNYK8spPT1p07cGJUxFrwb8JYLbt5e/v+ZQCjLcjzbpT3i+0E3TQf /00atvLtrG2sL5TyVpi3poJBg4FNj7Lh1y5MB02u9l4bFSX511yr9kxNYsWt9mEM 3ZxYT7F2eam++ELjQCNQhPocgyxSqxbMZ7Si5L3WZwGSEM8ssW57a3tj/s935e/x vLTCJmezxYphla5LP08VamdcYmcAA26opFRS/q/wkyQYWxQrkTi6iWp5ChJXF8zF HRVGU1kOJZmEqVSnRVRg6Q7T9NY+3A++cjvRmScaNx/XeVNvNqgz6K+nMIqo8EuG BIyW5wKJ6FWFkOixlPf5NzKLGSiHCYRKwEv0kAZDOsEi0MW1u4A6K43ZDWVOxqBc QPRAq3psv5CZb8kx9D+1ibJMOe2vbvmRjk62iTBWHH3fmT9Ji3x0Pksggu5r3Anv lpnoktkb36KKw8dICNUw =WKPi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:46:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83FE8445 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A99B2D57 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72Nkam3003319 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD79D3.9000900@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:52:51 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: automount .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:46:38 -0000 .... I am interested in using automount (amd) as both client & server on my newly minted FreeBSD 9.3 box. Actually, the server part already .... just works, automagically, however I can't figure out anything about client operations. The man page is dense & a quart low on examples .... Anyone have any clues, maybe some simple config files ? TIA .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:50:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC30B4E9 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 786B12D73 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72NoErI004600 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD7AAD.4000902@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:56:29 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: permission problems w/ ordinary user .... References: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> <20140803014039.75f4b2f9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140803014039.75f4b2f9.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:50:15 -0000 On 08/02/14 18:40, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:28:47 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> .... I have been trying to setup the regular user (me, non-root) on my >> newly minted FreeBSD 9.3 box. I tried su-ing from tooy & ssh-ing in as >> me from another box, both give weird results, see the following from my >> syslog: >> >> [...] >> Aug 2 18:23:01 kabini1 sshd[1252]: _secure_path: cannot stat >> /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied >> >> >> also, the home-directory keeps getting the 'x' permission bit set to off >> by .... something .... > I think you have described the reason for the problem: > The x attribute for a directory means "enter and search" > and should be _set_ for the user. If it's not, the user > cannot enter his own home directory or access files > within it. In this case, /home/wam/.login_conf cannot > be read which seems to be neccessary for the login > process. > > You need to find that "something" that created or altered > /home/wam with the x attribute off. Login as root and > correct the setting manually, so you should be able to > login afterwards. > > This is how the resulting "ls -l /home" output it should > look like for your user: > > drwx------ [...] wam wam [...] wam/ > ^ > > (This is minimum permissions; drwxrwxr-x or drwxr-x--- > are other common examples.) > > How did you introduce the user to the system? Did you > use "adduser" or "pw add"? I used useradd as root, & the permissions were set correctly to begin with. I suspect that the failed logins are triggering the reset, but w/ little proof .... I have reset the perms as root several times during this exercise, & they keep getting unset after the login failure .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 23:52:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35D2E594 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 008BA2F10 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 23:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rbn1-216-180-19-118.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.118]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s72Nqsvg005663 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: <53DD7B4D.90903@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:59:09 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: permission problems w/ ordinary user .... References: <53DD742F.3020408@hiwaay.net> <20140802234554.GA34503@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20140802234554.GA34503@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:52:56 -0000 On 08/02/14 18:45, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 06:28:47PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> .... I have been trying to setup the regular user (me, non-root) on my >> newly minted FreeBSD 9.3 box. I tried su-ing from tooy & ssh-ing in as >> me from another box, both give weird results, see the following from my >> syslog: >> >> >> Aug 2 17:59:03 kabini1 ntpd[676]: ntpd 4.2.4p5-a (1) >> Aug 2 17:59:03 kabini1 kernel: . >> Aug 2 18:02:16 kabini1 ntpd[677]: time reset -0.337616 s >> Aug 2 18:17:11 kabini1 su: _secure_path: cannot stat >> /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied >> Aug 2 18:17:11 kabini1 su: _secure_path: cannot stat >> /home/wam/.login_conf: Permission denied > That could be a symptom of the x permission disappearing. > >> also, the home-directory keeps getting the 'x' permission bit set to off >> by .... something .... > To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the base system that normally > does that. > > But if the x bit _is_ disappearing, then something is doing a chmod(1) or > chmod(2). > > Do you have any scripts or cron jobs running? Or is there a chmod in one of > your rc files like ~/.profile, ~/.tcshrc or /etc/csh.cshrc? > > You could set the user immutable flag or even the system immutable flag on > that directory (or remount the partition as read-only) and see if you get any > error messages in /var/log/messages. > >> I can ssh in as root no sweat > Yikes. That is usually the first thing I'd disable! > > > Roland I do that (easy root login) on purpose, my LAN is not internet exposed (except when I'm browsing) .... I am thinking that the failed login is somehow resetting the perms, but that is pure conjecture .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.