From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 01:54:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95A616A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:54:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: from smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F007D43D45 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:54:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 83785 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:54:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xfJIhMtGbbpr1qYuImtMrc8GGHI/VUvlilGyvRcAVKmYLgKz6iG4c7pdUk1PO0Vq+3GJB/JXc4NQG6lUvhLlZtP6+FGPzSXc4f6KBXatRJB0eokYjNS7A/X6+QQr/IgBiPEou5IQAhlreGRtJELqF5zdS9aKJE84SI87ZaffK2g= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.30.133.184?) (mikej@rogers.com@70.30.133.184 with plain) by smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:54:20 -0000 Message-ID: <43C5B6F1.90607@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:54:57 -0500 From: Mike Jakubik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer References: <20060111212605.79848.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C57A7A.3080802@elischer.org> <3e1162e60601111405x59e7e70dyf57c74b01e888e8a@mail.gmail.com> <43C5B4B2.9000707@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <43C5B4B2.9000707@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: alan bryan , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, David Leimbach Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Intel Macs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:54:33 -0000 Julian Elischer wrote: > David Leimbach wrote: > >> >> >> On 1/11/06, *Julian Elischer* > > wrote: >> >> alan bryan wrote: >> >> >I read that the new Intel (x86) Macs use EFI rather >> >than the traditional PC Bios to boot up. I'm >> >interested in using one of these to multiboot OS X and >> >FreeBSD and am wondering if it is yet known to work or >> >not. Do any changes need to be made to FreeBSD or >> >should it work out of the box? Thanks for any insight >> >and I know that it may be impossible to fully answer >> >until people get their hands on the hardware but I >> >just wanted to start thinking about the possibilities. >> > >> > >> well if they can boot Darwin I'm sure they can be hacked to boot >> FreeBSD. >> It would probabty require a different bootloader binary. >> >> >> >> I don't see what booting Darwin has to do with booting FreeBSD. > > > If they were bastards they could refuse to load anything that wasn't > in some format or didn't > decrypt with some public key. I doubt they wouod do that but since > they control the > horizontal and the vertical they COULD do it. > > It is possible that the boot loader sequence may require a stage that > is in some format > supported by the apple firmware, depending on how wired down they have > made it. Indeed. But why even bother? We have enough Intel hardware already. The challenge should be porting the OS to run on any x86 hw, not the hardware to other OS's.