From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 8 17:54:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A2537B401; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE93D43E4A; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H25006M6BVIIP@mtaout04.icomcast.net>; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:54:54 -0400 From: Lawrence Sica Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-reply-to: <20020908174226.B80977-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@jetcafe.org, Joshua Lee , Juli Mallett , Terry Lambert , George Reid Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 08:46 PM, Neal E. Westfall wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, George Reid wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 04:56:52PM -0700, Neal E. Westfall wrote: >> >>> By the way, only Christianity can account for what you note above, >>> that no religion give us a comprehensive understanding of God. The >>> Christian doctrine of God's incomprehensibility takes this into >>> account. >> >> Oh, come on. Islam, for one, also asserts the incomprehensibility of >> Allah. f.e, Ta-Ha 20:110: "He knows their past and their future, >> while none >> encompasses His knowledge." Islamic fiqh states that "his true nature >> cannot be described by anyone nor can thinkers imagine that nature" >> and >> "to know Him one considers His signs, but one does not think about His >> essence." See also Dr. Samuel Zwemer's "The Moslem Doctrine of God". > > Actually the Islamic doctrine of mukhalafa says that it Allah is *so* > different from his creatures that it is impossible to postulate > anything > about him at all. But then what is the Koran if not an attempt to do > this? In addition, Islam falsifies itself, since the Koran recognizes > the Torah and the Christian scriptures as true revelations from God, > yet > claims that Christ did not raise from the dead. The Koran contradicts > itself. > And what about the Christian writings that state tolerance for the sinners above all? And then in the same breathe condemns gays, justified slavery via the bible, justifies wars now and the killing of abortionists? Every religion has it's contradictions, Islam isnt special here. And What is the exact wording the koran uses? Are you sure you are interpreting it correctly? That's the great thing about any religious writing, its "divine inspiration" but then man is left to decipher it's meaning.... --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message