From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 7 04:17:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27CFB9E1 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 04:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5602CFC4 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 04:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF3DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.188.243.222]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t173Yuvd050895; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 04:34:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t173VK2o022976; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 04:31:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t173Umnm003266; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 04:31:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201502070331.t173Umnm003266@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Fund a FreeBSD manager maybe ? Was: BIND REPLACE_BASE option From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:30:59 +0100." <54B66183.8040403@sorbs.net> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:30:48 +0100 Cc: Michelle Sullivan X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:17:53 -0000 Michelle Sullivan wrote: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:30:59 +0100 > Matt Smith wrote: > > On Jan 14 12:15, Mathieu Arnold wrote: > >> > >> Well, like I said, REPLACE_BASE was an abomination that should never > >> have > >> existed, now that it's gone, it'll never get back, and you'll never > >> see it > >> again. > >> > > > > Doug Barton who used to maintain BIND in both the base system and the > > port used to always say that the version in the base system was only > > designed to be used as a local resolver on a laptop/desktop. If it was > > used as a proper DNS server the port version was meant to be used > > instead. Based on this it makes perfect sense why BIND was replaced > > with local Unbound in the base, and the ports system still has BIND > > for people that were using it. > > Was this ever documented? (I've been using bind in base for servers for > many years and this is the first time I've heard of it - and it is > unlikely I'm the only one.) Agreed, Ditto. In 'man named' on 9.2-RELEASE there's no: For local resolver only. Will be deleted on release 9.3. Migrate to ports/dns/bind9[689] About the same time, working ports demime & majordomo also got butchered, delaying me; deletions delayed that person late leaving work who also mentioned nslookup & asked approx: "~Will it ever end ?~. No. Unscheduled removals won't stop, unless FreeBSD gets a manager to enforce proper warning schedules & discipline code butchers who have intermittently damaged FreeBSD for years. Many people hosting FreeBSD dont have time to waste tracking many lists in case butchers delete code. Un-warned deletions are Un-professional. Labelling someone a manager is easy; getting a good manager is harder; one tough enough to suspend commiters (inc. perhaps friends) yet harder; one effective without the range of carrots & sticks available for paid employees, yet harder, & we'd hope that manager be unpaid too ? That reliable miracle hasn't happened yet. Too much code has been deleted un-warned between releases. Maybe the FreeBSD Foundation could fund a part time Change Warning Manager: - To impose regular unilateral 30/90 day suspensions on commiters, without need of consuming core debate. - To implement SVN reversals of suspended commiters. - Not allowed to commit own stuff, just notices scheduling later changes, - Subject to being dismissed by a 2/3 vote of core. It would make FreeBSD more professional & dependable, & benefit user businesses who could consider with core@freebsd.org & https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/board how they might contribute to & shape such a function. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Indent previous with "> ". Interleave reply paragraphs like a play script. Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative.