From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Jun 13 01:48:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18739 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desk.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-109.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18678; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desk.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by desk.jhs.no_domain (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22569; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:19:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706111819.UAA22569@desk.jhs.no_domain> To: "Gary Palmer" cc: John Polstra , ports@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports/comms/hylafax From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Email: jhs@freebsd.org, Fallback: jhs@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ X-Company: Vector Systems Ltd, Unix & Internet Consultants. X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Tel: Phone +49.89.268616, Fax +49.89.2608126, Data +49.89.26023276 X-Software: FreeBSD (Unix) + EXMH 1.6.9 (PGP key on web) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:46:50 EDT." <533.865554410@orion.webspan.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:19:29 +0200 Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reference: > From: "Gary Palmer" > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:46:50 -0400 > Message-id: <533.865554410@orion.webspan.net> Hi, "Gary Palmer" wrote: > [ CC: snipped ] > John Polstra wrote in message ID > <199706051606.JAA06183@austin.polstra.com>: > > I'm with Satoshi on this whole thing. > > I agree. Not only does Satoshi do a sterling job of maintaining an > every growing headache that is called `the ports collection', he does > so in his spare time. Umm, Yes, So ? I wrote that port in my spare time too :-) > Unless Julian is willing to dedicate that > ammount of time to maintaining the ports, I suggest he stops > complaining about decisions made. Nope, I don't want to involve myself in other ports, I just don't want spurious suprise trashing of a proven port with complex interfaces, till agrees by consensus that the new port is proven. > > Also, while the port was not marked broken, it was indeed broken -- > > the distfile doesn't exist on the master site. Not to put too fine > > a point on it, but to me that weakens your claim of authority over > > the port as its maintainer. > > Infact, given that Julian had been asked to upgrade the port at least > once, and that the PR for the new port sat for so long in GNATS before > Satoshi did anything, I'm not at all sure what all the fuss is > about. I don't read gnats@ I (ex Maintainer) & list receive no notification whatever of this suprise upgrade ! No time to test. > If Julian spent half the time that he has now expended writing > mails attacking Satoshi on his port, this would never have happened. I'm sure that'd be true with many a port, (I've done othe ports, I know what you mean, generally, But Hylafax is different, it wasn't simple to get a port working, or test thoroughly (Modem variations etc). If it _had_ been easy any of the many people who posted about V4 on hylafax@freebsd could have done it, some were invited, none did. > Instead he chose to decline Satoshi's upgrade requests, Huh ? Message-IDs please ! I don't recall _him_ requesting that, he wasn't interested, others posted on , & I replied, please consult the archives, if you want to know what those who were interested actually wrote. > someone else presented us with a solution, he chooses to attack > instead. I DO NOT ATTACK THE NEW V4 PORT ! I AM PLEASED TO SEE IT :-) But the old V3 port should not be overlayed 'till the V4 is proven. As Satoshi does not care to be on list he should not force an uninformed decision on those truly interested > Not the most productive use of his time, IMHO. If Satoshi had mailed me something like: "Hi Maintainer, I've received a major rewrite to a newer version, I propose to overlay your old port." I'd have cc'd to & tested it myself too. BUT I & received Zero warning. We need time for run-time success reports to be posted before the V3 port is deleted, meantime I'm happy to see the new port available too. > > Finally, no matter what Satoshi does, he doesn't have any way I know > > of to delete the old port from your 2.2.1 CD. > > Or the in-the-works 2.2.2 CD either, since at least one copy has gone > off to replication already. Well if a second pressing of the master is done, please put _both_ versions on. List will decide when that can reduce to just V4. > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer Speaking for no-one other than himself > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/