From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 8 11:09:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95BE1065692 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from mx4.mail.ru (fallback.mail.ru [194.67.57.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7317E8FC2B for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from mx27.mail.ru (mx27.mail.ru [194.67.23.23]) by mx4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id AE75010B6C4C for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:10:11 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [78.140.2.125] (port=19276 helo=nuclight) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KnV3Z-000Fem-00 for svn-src-all@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:10:09 +0400 To: svn-src-all References: <20081007225414.CDFA74500F@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:10:06 +0700 From: "Vadim Goncharov" Organization: AVTF TPU Hostel Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=koi8-r MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20081007225414.CDFA74500F@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK Subject: Re: *** HEADS UP *** FreeBSD.org commit mail list changes X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:09:57 -0000 08.10.08 @ 05:54 Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:47:08 -0700 >> From: "Peter Wemm" >> Sender: owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org >> >> *** HEADS UP *** [...] > Thanks for the POLA violation. I think this will cause far fewer > problems than making every subscriber update manually and I'm not even > sure it is a violation. I'd find not getting src commit messages very > astonishing! > > Anyone who read cvs-src should really be able to handle this change > without all that much upset. What the fuck?! I've had cvs-src@ set to nomail, could write but msgs were not delivered. I've read them via Gmane, my NNTP newsreader offers very flexible way to filter them. Now, mail lists are switched WITHOUT 'nomail', and my local hard drive is being spammed, instead of NNTP (and freebsd.org also wastes resources fot that, eh?). And worse, I just CAN'T disable it again: when I trying to login to http://lists.freebsd.org for svn-src-all@, it simply says about authorization error! Moreover, this change is pain in the ass for all users who don't care about SVN switch - while CVSUP/CSUP is in use, it is not-so-worth to care. And it is now more difficult to manage for those who were used to cvs-all@ - a bunch of lists instead of one. Mailman DOESN'T give me interface to manage all my subscriptions at once - I must go and login for every one! I've heard several complains about this spamming change on local IRC channels. Breaking POLA is bad. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov