From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 21 20:26:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46228106568C for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from florian.heigl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f199.google.com (mail-yw0-f199.google.com [209.85.211.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026F98FC16 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh37 with SMTP id 37so1345170ywh.28 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=r0l5Vel6YCDec7X+f3WB0CMtrnk3wFxO4ilH7NZ0Id4=; b=B16r5uITqk/WafB+2FgYXY+MqPNTzKc/w7piCoCAufyvaRc8+GMDcMzRia1sL0AhcL S5tkMaal1sm5JQkh6Wmp7WPmBfmH8V3rV3Zh8ldl0ekfXHto1ttlt+Kofy2NBCV7VTKJ +7aKv7YepSccEETe1O2dkiFl0RG4gK+6aNUW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=cs1F5aofxbC4ugr3rRMB1sknm4y43kKgxzyE6phYjHl2hX1LqFcQ/duNwQKG0mIlIQ QUu1HfZspxGyUNKaRGusKFErKyIMXRtWi6Il61QCWDY6xRBrmQTYN0kFUumGCWJTM3ts XBp75T1aaXlQe0FHSvIkq7SoFfi9f6ih1LaB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.169.6 with SMTP id r6mr2972376ybe.95.1250884571717; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:56:11 +0200 Message-ID: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> From: Florian Heigl To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:26:00 -0000 Hi, for over 3 years we're now looking at a mostly-working, breaking, half-working port, breaking, half-working of FreeBSD to xen. personally I think this is a very sad state, especially considering how well FreeBSD (-current, with patches) worked in Xen 2. I wonder if starting a fundraiser (like the ones initiated by rsync.net) might help this problem. I think we would have to scratch up enough for a month of kip's (or someone else's) time to see everything addressed and the xen patches finally being merged in a sane way like NetBSD did it. Assuming that most people do not very much care about their dom0 OS, but strongly care for running FreeBSD (instead of Linux, NetBSD, Solaris flavours) for their virtualized servers, it would be the best way to go to make almost everyone happy. Please note that I don't represent a company but would still scratch up money or donate some bunch of hardware to this end because I'm completely sick of having to tell people (in #freebsd.de, in some forums and, worst of all, even on trade fairs when helping at the FreeBSD booth) that "it used to be working but right now it's not stable for production use, but it might actually build right now" and point them at one of the above OS according to their needs, when actually they'd just love FreeBSD. Honestly, I do not believe this state will *ever* get better without some massive effort and I'm very much looking forward to some discussion about this. It think the support should get -stable'd while the linux kids are still trying to make ZFS work stable :) I'll scratch up $150 (or the same in hardware), so if a few more people and 1-2 companies chime in it might be enough to make: NO new features, just fix it and properly merge it into the amd64 and i386 archs. a nice weekend to you all, florian -- 'Sie brauchen sich um Ihre Zukunft keine Gedanken zu machen'