From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 11 18:55:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA21862 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:55:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21852 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:55:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04248 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:56:41 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (jonc@localhost) by tui.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24018 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:56:40 +1300 (NZDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tui.pinnacle.co.nz: jonc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:56:40 +1300 (NZDT) From: Jonathan Chen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newest Pentium bug (fatal) In-Reply-To: <199711111935.MAA17390@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Nate Williams wrote: [snip] > There are also things that are completely beyond the realm of scientific > understanding as well, that cannot be 'explained away'. For example, a > recent "scientific" study on 'prayer' was given. There were two groups > of 'ill/sick' patients, one the control group, the other group needs > were given to a group of people who had no contact with the group, and > the results were astonishing. The people who were prayed for had a > significant better recovery rate than the control group, yet there was > absolutely no contact between any of the members in the entire > 'experiment'. How do you explain that? Bad testing, not a big enough > experiment group, co-incidence, etc...? Not everything can be explained > by scientific reasoning, hence the need for 'FAITH'. This is more probably due to increased recovery rates due to meditative states induced by `prayer-mode' rather than any divine intervention. You'd probably get various anecdotal references by talking to Oriental monks, martial-arts experts, trancendental-meditation advocates, etc. -- Jonathan Chen Once is dumb luck. Twice is coincidence. Three times and Somebody Is Trying To Tell You Something.