From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 04:41:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB964DA83DE for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suvzer@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AA9F80388 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suvzer@gmx.com) Received: from localhost ([91.83.181.3]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MgKUo-1dDkkJ3heI-00Nm1n; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:41:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:41:36 +0200 From: David Gruhk To: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170720044136.GA9146@localhost> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:mLSGJ/pOTPCwGZ6dirbLUMKkk/Z7rqQ0YpNL5uqvi4TXoMt1KOK bEbPwv23KMGf814uT/Nl1z0MieCg0D19pmqaep1QWPrQ2cuGbXdIbBFwLZQ47VLPlN8XMQU 14NQwCu0gpAS9Xz/Ox/mS7nwz6Ij9KnF5tdQ2cGDVjK4F3NMUHwDAott+1VaoXqk2DruaOl lWjvXMgA95BG9goHbL6zQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/nup163Wbyo=:T6hGKNVph/87ttMx/QrLQm v/QUnRQtDQKL8qilGGYikxtFgRyqDLFdsiGzwdPup0phvNx3pqgrZgzZDat6uJ1t3yQlz7jTw 3NgCNSPws6SmuBKmzXoJ4fJNUC5Eu70Ulk8DTz3PqkepmlqyfckpZmNWBE+zqbO2pYTQSyqm/ pPBSSeUHYaDrl9qc+8Al3dH8ETfgXAMwQ/sAQvxJH8kFHQz18+ycukCyohkDHBHkfQ/4dcY1m cyQHaqcvdVjFxgiRXJh8C8cA9PFsG41qnqrzCJjZkod3rMcPwKZTe7K1bwg1Zms0GpB+Yl883 bWn94pcu19UuPWG4pAzqlpQ22HZaGD/m7RDQwJS+dFvrJnDf5n7szjsfw3g22VPWSFd5gjZI1 MboXn4LxjVwHHBc1jnOT81Jx0rEI4a/hLg6n+83seFM+mlGK8OrV17nNVu9neV0dCFY0BVeY7 Qj9xKUMpnfLZ0d5kQ2H2R+QbbsMzCImePX6QtJ6S3RU7cY5zhbY2/dD2+fl7C8L/+F9w0Fl4Q vsx1HYpYhykq4Amkcvb5d7cSVEquAGIT1ED/gQqLrnkzPz0oMpx5TJZtW5GP4S9zDEDSxX91Z RguE8ZD0TsviUJTvf5iXXavrll3Wlhy27ZdkjNHA3VEHet07esXZuXbZsEM/9g6wRrwHUFPWs U6ProYe4c90MNPdibpWoRsaJCfZAGAKto/OXUNK+mARFOkBdS7WrHuu7OcrI14f3yk6cwtvlN cb6Ccrze8UFbI9CABVkVEZ+xRUnh2ppc80ZqLkN0h5yqd6GDeLBIOOGCkI0/UaK0j8bX1be4J KJ5AqNgD1FWxK+aWsesW6KV5nHqPw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:41:46 -0000 On 17.07.18Tue 23:32, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? There are 2 problems with FreeBSD. 1. We are without boot/mfsroot since FreeBSD 9, so you can not start the installer from Grub. This is problematic, if you can not use CD, FDD, PXE, USB booting. You can start the NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux installer from Grub. In this case you can use dd: dd if=installed_in_other_PC of=not_boot_media_capable_PC I am in this situation now, I hope the dd or maybe dump-restore method will work!!! Or, if you are brave, you can use the closed source Plop Boot Manager. I am not daring, because it is closed source. 2. We have not LVM (deprecated, not recommended) with UFS, only with ZFS, but ZFS has too big memory claim. I don't dare use ZFS with 512MB-1GB (neither 4GB) RAM with a few 100 GB HDD space. FreeBSD has a big advantage compared with NetBSD and OpenBSD: 3 month long supporting binary packages, where you get only security and bug fix (quarterly branch). Of course it would be better more months, or overlapping the quarterly packages, but at the moment the project missing human resources.