Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:40:59 -0800 From: Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org> To: Attilio Rao <attilio@freebsd.org> Cc: Yar Tikhiy <yar@freebsd.org>, Scot Hetzel <swhetzel@gmail.com>, Andre Oppermann <andre@freebsd.org>, Jeff Roberson <jeff@freebsd.org>, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Remove NTFS kernel support Message-ID: <47AB42AB.6020107@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <3bbf2fe10802070621h574f5d3kb4fbd86adbab11c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbf2fe10802061700p253e68b8s704deb3e5e4ad086@mail.gmail.com> <47AAFDED.9030301@freebsd.org> <47AB05A1.7010803@freebsd.org> <3bbf2fe10802070613mf2bf3feg5dcb480501fcfbbc@mail.gmail.com> <20080207141820.GR99258@elvis.mu.org> <3bbf2fe10802070621h574f5d3kb4fbd86adbab11c@mail.gmail.com>
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Attilio Rao wrote: > 2008/2/7, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>: >> * Attilio Rao <attilio@freebsd.org> [080207 06:13] wrote: >>> 2008/2/7, Andre Oppermann <andre@freebsd.org>: >>>> Eric Anderson wrote: >>>>> I think Alfred's point is really interesting. How many people that >>>>> don't use it that say 'axe it' does it take to override 1 person saying >>>>> 'keep it!'? >>>> The real question is how many people does it take to say 'I'll maintain >>>> it'? Just one. Without it, it will only bitrot as evidenced by Attilios >>>> question. NTFS is currently broken, just not as obvious because WITNESS >>>> didn't track and enforce lockmgr locks. >>> Andre catched exactly my point. >>> The big problem is that we have a list of several unmaintained fs. >>> NTFS is in this list. The support is not reliable, it is only >>> available in read mode and eventually bugged. >>> I'm not sure I want to keep this if nobody wants to maintain it. >> All I'm saying is that I think this is a bit premature considering >> the users. Within less than 24hrs we've had a few users reporting >> in as users, I'm sure the fixes (now that we have some good assertions) >> are going to be trivial. >> >> Why not let it ferment/rot for a release cycle and then see what >> the story is? > > Obviously if we can fix it is better, but axing is an opportunity I > don't want to leave out and this is why I wanted to poll users about > this issue. Eventually, if an axing is decided, it won't happen in > short times but only once all situations for "migration" will be > probed and finished. I think axing it would be a mistake. > > Attilio > >
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