From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 24 02:13:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9642516A420 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCEC13C45D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so740625nzf for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:13:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rZGVuqeQBh6svKleog7nvtd66HQn767VH0Eo4qKy0QQ=; b=cmFEF51vDMLyJRtj0i3ce+0ZGd3CZjgP8Xa93tPc2ckswJBOfkdoZFIJiPnH+WaUTIVOvoX0ADNwsikDZd57n5pntNxL5kQoACVA8NTc4aWg84E25TQDofn8/WKDdTUTw2P8WlavA/fGIqb4nKxfPeE1jahV1NXlv5+lpHsw4Es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r8YtbBI+7SFZOoNFpOLsWH0haMJBRZkTtFaa0SS2lsm8+IktW8RdlOJesqpvP2s4LaWjGaJPIVW3cj9+Nub3qmV+DF1AHZbHI6Db702cyecVt/XXIDcKt1dwpt02jXHy8aQw9RQMdYNLIpsaOmfZS4kVPB2wt7pKxaX7e6Cs90Y= Received: by 10.65.139.9 with SMTP id r9mr7784041qbn.1190600006206; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.105.2 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:13:26 +0000 From: "Aryeh Friedman" To: "Michael Dean" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46F718BD.7090102@sourceview.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46F6E1F1.401@sourceview.com> <46F6E3B9.5060404@sourceview.com> <46F711AD.3030505@sourceview.com> <46F718BD.7090102@sourceview.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Can the following license be used for ported programs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:13:29 -0000 you more then welcome to join in on the conversation... right now due to the dns issue sited in the original posting we are doing it via a manual mailing list (cc everyone else) [I think that should be partially fixed by tomorrow afternoon].... given that if you send any mail to the SIW community it should be addressed to all of the following: aryeh.friedman@gmail.com henry.pijffers@gmail.com stephane@jahia.com marius@amado-alves.info So you don't sound too much like a newbie I recommend the following background articles and links: http://www.softdevelcoop.org/o.openMailingList.htm (Mailing list archives up to the start of Miai) http://www.softdevelcoop.org/ (precursor to Miai) http://www.sustainablesoftware.info/jahia/Jahia (Stephen's take on the software portion of sustainability) http://www.sustainablesoftware.info/jahia/page421.html (historical essay that got some of us interested in what became SIW [I came to it in a different route]) http://www.methodsandtools.com/PDF/mt200402.pdf (detailed theoretical examination of Jahia's business model) --Aryeh On 9/24/07, Michael Dean wrote: > > great, then why open the conversation up to plebs like me? > > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On 9/24/07, Michael Dean wrote: > > > many people feel much differently, why not just a pure proprietary license > then, rather than proliferating Yet Another Silly License which is not > tempered by sound legal analysis. > > Not to be insulting but I don't think you read my 1st blog entry as I > suggested (at least the first paragraph... specifically where I say > both open and closed source are equally the wrong model). Now onto > your actual points: > > The license has received legal review by an IP attorney. > > Again not to be insulting but I think most FOSS people slept through > econ 101, especially the section on there is no such thing as a > limitless resource. Even though you might consider this to be a > conflict of interest; I have a family member who is a prof. of econ at > UC Santa Cruz and has reviewed the economic aspects of both my > specific work and the general concept of SIW (see second blog entry > for definition). His general conclusion is while the model is untried > on a large scale and there are some more minor things we can improve > on (subject of debate within the SIW community) that we fix many of > the economic flaws with both open and closed source models. He is > currently in the process of writing a book on the matter and said he > would have a full review after rewriting ch8 (which is on the economic > issues raised by both models) in a few weeks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >