From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 9 19:52:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (placeholder-dcat-1076843290.broadbandoffice.net [64.47.83.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38C337B52B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA74174; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200008100252.TAA74174@earth.backplane.com> To: Warner Losh Cc: Gunnar Flygt , Ruslan Ermilov , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: agp_if.c References: <200008090743.AAA50631@earth.backplane.com> <134950593991.20000808104445@corbina.net> <20000808104924.E11454@sunbay.com> <20000808123728.D92082@sr.se> <200008092038.OAA50466@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :BTW, I couldn't find the phrase 'use the magic kernel building :mechanism and it ought to work' in my UPDATING file. Such a phrase is :patronizing and in appropriate for UDPATING. Can you tell me which :version you found it in? : :Warner I think it's well deserved, actually. All the updating file says is to essentially rebuild the world. That's a cop-out and a huge annoyance if someone just wants to get a blasted kernel compiled up and doesn't have 2 hours to waste waiting for a buildworld. UPDATING needs to contain more detailed instructions. For example, if all you need to do to get the new binutils is to compile up /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils, then UPDATING should damn well SAY that. Same goes with other breakages. If UPDATING had simply stated that all one needed to do was to 'cd /usr/src/share/mk; make install', rather then build the fraggin world, it would have saved me over an hour of hunting around trying to figure out why the kernel compile was breaking. In the last month I have wasted at least 8 hours working around kernel breakages that two simple paragraphs in UPDATING could have prevented. You bet your ass I'm pissed off! Stop trying to minimize UPDATING and put something *DETAILED* in it the next time someone commits something that will break an existing tree! -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message