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Date:      Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:27:07 -0800
From:      Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Jilles Tjoelker <jilles@stack.nl>
Cc:        svn-src-projects@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Garrett Cooper <ngie@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r275219 - projects/building-blocks/share/skel
Message-ID:  <F4BC85AD-B1B0-477C-AA34-5FE67C7D173A@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20141130202521.GA1103@stack.nl>
References:  <201411282207.sASM7Gq7055794@svn.freebsd.org> <20141130202521.GA1103@stack.nl>

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On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:25, Jilles Tjoelker <jilles@stack.nl> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:07:16PM +0000, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>> Author: ngie
>> Date: Fri Nov 28 22:07:16 2014
>> New Revision: 275219
>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/275219
>=20
>> Log:
>>  Install skeleton files based on the values of MK_MAIL and MK_TCSH
>=20
>>  Customize according to MK_GAMES and MK_VI, in particular comment out =
lines
>>  that would change behavior
>=20
>>  Change dot.cshrc and dot.profile to not check for /usr/games/fortune =
based
>>  on the new behavior in customizing the files
>=20
> Hmm, this assumes a rather specific use case: selecting a particular
> combination of options, building everything and installing everything
> what was built.
>=20
> In particular, the run-time check for /usr/games/fortune was there
> because a user might not install /usr/games, even though it was part =
of
> the built release. With "packaged base", this possibility will remain
> important.

Good point.

What triggered this commit was something I noticed when I fixed =93MK_VI =
=3D=3D no=94 to delete vi in base, which in turn breaks the default dot =
files, i.e. 'export EDITOR=3Dvi=92. MK_VI =3D=3D no doesn=92t install vi =
with installworld, but it doesn=92t clean it up on head if you run make =
delete-old either, so this issue wasn=92t apparent until I started this =
work (and I guess no one complained about the MK_VI =3D=3D no case =
before now). To err on the safe side, I can add a `if [ -x /usr/bin/vi =
]; then ; fi` around the export EDITOR line if you like =97 however many =
other OS distros (Fedora Linux, IllumOS, Ubuntu Linux, etc) don=92t ship =
with defaults =97 is this something we should do as well?

vi is also implicitly required for the build when building some files in =
share/termcap, as the build calls ex on the files, but that=92s a =
sidenote.

> Also, dotfiles might be shared between systems by users.

Yes, but shouldn=92t the person customizing the system know what files =
are being distributed?

> This is an objection against customizing dot.* file contents depending
> on options, not against conditionally installing dot.* files.

Ok. Something else that needs to be discussed is /usr/games being in =
$PATH and a few other things, because this could slow down path lookups, =
even if it=92s a small amount (I realize the namei cache is supposed to =
make this less noticeable, but every little bit counts IMHO).

Thanks for the input :)!

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