From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Jun 23 13:10:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E5437B406 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5NKA0l86423; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Bill Moran" , Subject: RE: [OT] Spam from Windriver - how should I react? Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:09:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0fc20$7ad7f420$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B337E1B.65DBBAAA@iowna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bill Moran >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:19 AM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: [OT] Spam from Windriver - how should I react? > Well, there's spammers and there's spammers.. > >I recently got an email from Windriver. The more I try to forget about >it, the more I think about it. And the more I think about it, the >stranger it seems. >I'd be interested as to what others think. >First off, the message technically falls into the UBE category, since I >never opted-in to receive general messages from Windriver, or >FreeBSDMall (which is what the message is about). There's no question that this is spam, it meets the criteria. I myself got one and I didn't even have a 4.3 CD on order, so their message about delays of 4.3 doesen't even apply to me. Prior business contact in my opinion is not a factor on whether an item is spam or not. All that is required to classify an e-mail transmission as spam is that it's sent to a large list of people who are not a part of an established mailing list where they have made it clear that they wish to receive bulk mail transmissions. However, I think that it should be made clear that while this _technically_ is spam, in that their entire contact list got it, the _spirit_ behind the transmission was not that of a spammer. I liken this to the trucker who accidentially has a box of roofing nails fall off his truck on the highway. He didn't deliberately set them out there - but the damage to the tires of the cars that follow him is the same as if he had malevolently dropped nails on the highway. Unfortunately when you write laws you cannot take intent into account - only a judge/prosecutor can do that. Technically (and legally in some jurisdictions) what Wind River did is a violation of the "Do Not Spam" directive. However, you need to be the judge of whether their intent was evil. My judgement is that their intent was to contact people that had orders pending and since their order system is probabally trashed, if they can't ship out the CD's then they certainly can't identify (at this time) who has orders or not. So they had no choice but to e-mail the entire customer base. My guess is that spamming the customer base was even done at all because they have been spending a lot of time answering requests from people that have pending orders, and the hope is that money loss caused by the damage done by spamming is going to be less than the money loss caused by attempting to respond individually to the undoubtedly hundreds and hundreds of queries they have been getting. They probably feel that no matter what they did they were screwed. My advice is that if your bothered by it then it's certainly OK to send a _polite_ mail back to them complaining, and requesting that they don't do it again. Approach this from the perspective of a father attempting to guide an errant child that's still learning about what they have gotten into. There's nothing wrong with complaining about something you see wrong in business as long as your polite, (Politics is something different, of course) after all you ARE their customer. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message